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      <title>How your church can support digital missionaries</title>
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           For most of church history, mission work had a clear shape. Missionaries went somewhere—another country, another culture, another neighborhood. Their work was visible. Tangible. Easy to affirm.
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           But today, a new kind of missionary is emerging: the digital missionary—streamers, content creators, Discord pastors, gamers, and community-builders ministering in spaces where millions gather every day.
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           And many of them feel deeply alone.
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           Not because their work isn’t meaningful, but because it often goes unrecognized. Churches know how to support missionaries who cross oceans. They’re still learning how to support the ones who cross servers.
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           This blog is about closing that distance—mending the validation gap—so digital missionaries can thrive, not survive.
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           What Is the “Validation Gap”?
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           The validation gap is the space between the significance of the work and the support given to the worker.
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           Digital missionaries often experience:
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           Misunderstanding: “You play games… for Jesus?”
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           Invisibility: Their ministry happens online, so few see it firsthand.
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           Uncertainty: Without structure or support, they wonder if their calling is “real.”
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           Isolation: They shepherd people late at night, across time zones, without teammates.
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           And here’s the truth:
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            Digital missionary work is real ministry.
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            People are coming to Christ in Twitch chats.
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            People ask for prayer at 2am in Discord voice channels.
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            People who would never step inside a church are stepping into livestreams.
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           The mission field has shifted—and the Church is invited to shift with it.
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           How Your Church Can Support Digital Missionaries
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           Below are practical ways any church—small or large—can actively support and affirm its digital missionaries.
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           1. Publicly Affirm Their Calling
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           Digital missionaries often hear, “Is that really ministry?”
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            Like when God sent Phillip to the Ethiopian eunuch, they have already gone down the road to share Jesus. They feel compelled to go with or without your support. Your church can be the voice that says, “
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           Yes. Go
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             Introduce them to the congregation. Let them share their stories. 
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            Pray for them from the stage and include people they are reaching.
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            Include their ministry in your missions reports.
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            If you have not yet had someone share they already do this, ask from the stage. You may have some in the pews who God has called and they need you to tell them to go. Validation is often more powerful than equipment. If you can’t do anything more. Do this. 
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           2. Commission Them Like Any Other Missionary
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           When the church lays hands on someone and sends them, it communicates:
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            You are not alone. We’re behind you. This is kingdom work.
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           A commissioning moment gives digital missionaries the confidence and accountability they need. By joining with them in the mission, you have an opportunity to help mentor and guide them as they go. When you say it’s not real ministry. They are likely to go anyway and not tell you. When they face difficult times, who will be there for them that knows them? Why not your church? 
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           3. Provide Resources and Tools
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           Just as overseas missionaries raise support for flights, housing, and supplies, digital missionaries also need tools:
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            A safe, quiet streaming space
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            These aren’t luxuries—they’re ministry tools. Perhaps you have these and could allow them to be used. If not, you can share their ministry tools wish list with the congregation. That is what they are already doing with their community. And people who believe in them when able often contribute to those items. And sometimes just purchase them as a gift. 
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           4. Offer Prayer and Pastoral Care
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           Streaming can be spiritually and emotionally draining. Churches can help by:
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            Assigning a pastor or elder as a regular check-in
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            Creating a prayer team specifically for digital missionaries
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            A supported streamer is a healthier, more joyful missionary. Also, a missionary that regularly is talking about ministry and sharing Jesus is going to inspire and encourage others to do the same. It could be a key to helping your whole congregation start to share Jesus online or at least Mon-Sat start having Gospel conversations in your community. 
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           Moderators are the deacons/greeters of the digital mission field. Your church can:
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            Recruit trustworthy members
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            Support them as they serve alongside the streamer
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           This turns digital mission work from a one-person show into a team ministry. You don’t need to have all the skills of the streamer. You just need to have a heart to support them and God’s calling on them. 
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           6. Provide Financial Support
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           This doesn’t need to be large. Even small contributions communicate value. Options include:
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           Your support makes the ministry sustainable. Ask them what their needs are. They will be much smaller than any foreign missionary or church plant. You can 10x your churches impact with 1/10th the investment.
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           7. Celebrate Digital Wins
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            Share stories from the digital mission field just like you would from a global mission trip: 
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            Stories of first-time Bible readers
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            Milestones like Twitch Affiliate or Partner
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           Celebration closes the validation gap. The closer to the event the greater the impact will be. So, look for where these can be shared. Share in emails, websites, social media and on Sundays. You can set the guidelines. They can create the post.
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           Digital ministry isn’t a side gig—it’s an extension of your church.
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           The Mission Field Has Expanded—Let’s Not Fall Behind
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           The apostle Paul used Roman roads to spread the gospel.
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            The Reformers used the printing press.
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           Today’s missionaries use Twitch, TikTok, Discord, and YouTube.
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           The gospel always finds the roads people travel.
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           As a church, you have the unique opportunity to mend the validation gap and empower digital missionaries who are reaching people your church may never meet in person.
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           When you support them, you’re not just encouraging a streamer—you’re sending laborers into a global digital harvest.
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      <title>What Gospel Conversations Look Like in Digital Spaces</title>
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      <description>Gospel conversations don’t just happen in pews anymore. They’re happening in Discord servers, comment sections, and DMs. Discover how digital missionaries are redefining evangelism in online spaces and what “moving someone closer to Jesus” really means.</description>
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           What if evangelism didn’t start with a sermon, but with a message?
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           What if the Gospel conversation was already happening—in a Discord thread, a TikTok DM, or a Twitch chat—and you just hadn’t called it that yet?
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           I sent an email that asked one simple question: “What is a Gospel conversation?”
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           That question opened a floodgate.
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           Dozens of digital missionaries replied with stories, definitions, and struggles that revealed something bigger: digital Gospel conversations aren’t smaller than traditional ones—in many ways they’re the next evolution of them.
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           Gospel Conversations Are Seeds
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           Princess Ezeugbor put it perfectly:
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           “A win for me on the digital space is when someone gets inspired or encouraged by my content.”
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           She shared about a post where someone commented, “I am encouraged by this. Thank you.”
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           It wasn’t a conversion moment. It was a connection moment.
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           Princess said, “Social media is really a tool of evangelism… not for likes or popularity, but for the one or two souls who will be lifted because of our messages.”
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           That’s the heartbeat of digital missions.
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           Every post is a seed. Every comment is soil.
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           In the Church’s digital future, impact will always matter more than impressions.
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           Every Step Toward Jesus Counts
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           At the Digital Neighborhoods Conference, Jeff Vanderstelt said,
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           “Every conversation that moves someone closer to Jesus is a Gospel conversation.”
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           Micah Bales agreed:
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           “The critical thing is the motion towards Jesus, not the particular milestone that we are on in that motion.”
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           That line flips traditional evangelism on its head.
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           We don’t measure success by decisions made—we measure it by hearts moved.
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           Micah added, “We don’t have to feel like we’re responsible for saving someone. Rather, we’re called to be faithful in each moment and point towards Jesus.”
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           That’s freedom.
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           In digital missions, it’s not about control, it’s about consistency.
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           Post by post. DM by DM. One faithful moment at a time.
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           Leaving Digital Traces of Christ
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           Claire Maraillet from Lyon, France, wrote about a book that shaped her view of evangelism:
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           “Evangelism is the art of leaving a positive trace of Christ behind… in both actions and words.”
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           That phrase—a positive trace—is exactly how digital ministry works.
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           Every interaction leaves a mark. Every algorithmic ripple carries weight.
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           We’re not here to build audiences. We’re here to leave traces of Jesus across platforms so the next believer who meets that person online can keep the story going.
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           Conversations vs. Decisions
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           Jess Wilson made an important distinction:
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           “A Gospel conversation moves someone closer to Jesus. A Gospel presentation gives them a chance to decide.”
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           Travis Todd shared a story that brought this home. During a Bible study, one man finally said:
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           “You finally told me how to accept Christ!”
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           Travis realized that this man had wanted Jesus all along—he just didn’t know how.
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           Travis said, “We always need to give people an option to accept Christ.”
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           This is where many digital missionaries stop short.
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           We plant seeds but forget the invitation.
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           Both matter. Conversations open the heart. Invitations open eternity.
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           As Wally De La Fuente reminded us, quoting 2 Corinthians 5:20–6:2,
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           “Conversations are planting seeds… but to present the Gospel is to let the person know, ‘Today is the day of salvation.’”
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           Intentional and Interactive
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           Casey Scott added another layer:
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           “A real Gospel conversation has to be intentional… and it must engage dialogue that elicits a response.”
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           This is where many online ministries drift.
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           We think posting content is the same as having conversations.
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           It’s not.
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           Casey nailed it: it has to invite a response. Even a hostile comment is still engagement.
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           That’s the heartbeat of theChurch.digital’s rhythm:
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           Content → Community → Discipleship → Action.
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           The win isn’t going viral. The win is going personal.
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           When Fruit Feels Invisible
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           Steve Reed was honest enough to say what many digital missionaries think:
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           “Am I really doing any good? Am I making a difference? Am I creating disciples?”
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           He talked about how comments like “I really needed to hear that today” kept him going, even when there wasn’t a visible conversion story.
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           That’s the unseen burden of online ministry.
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           The fruit often hides behind screens.
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           But hidden fruit is still fruit.
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           As theChurch.digital’s Discovery document says, the movement exists for “those who have a sense from God to do something digitally and not have the support from their leaders.”
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           Steve’s story reminds us: digital missionaries aren’t invisible—they’re just early.
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           Redefining Connection
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           Michael Donigan added a question that captures our digital tension:
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           “If I call you, hear your message, and leave a voicemail—is that a conversation?”
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           Intent matters. But intent without engagement is just noise.
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           A Gospel conversation isn’t just what we post—it’s what we pursue.
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           Digital missionaries must learn to listen digitally.
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           Comments aren’t interruptions. DMs aren’t distractions.
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           They’re divine appointments waiting to happen.
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           The Gospel in Motion
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           So what does this all mean?
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           A digital Gospel conversation is any intentional interaction that moves someone closer to Jesus—emotionally, spiritually, or relationally—through the unique languages of digital culture.
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      <title>Equipping Digital Missionaries: Breaking the Rules to Share the Gospel Online</title>
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      <description>What is the digital mission field, and how can it disrupt traditional ministry and reach the unreached? See how digital missionaries are using platforms like Twitch, Youtube, and VR to make real connections, build authentic community, and kickstart a global Gospel movement.</description>
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           Are you ready to break the traditional mold and join a digital revolution for Jesus?
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           The world is shifting, and ministry has to shift with it. And theChurch.digital isn’t about playing it safe. It’s about stepping boldly into digital spaces to proclaim the truth of Jesus. If you’ve felt the call to disrupt the status quo and take the Gospel to the digital frontier, we’ll show you how. This is your guide to becoming a digital missionary on a mission to change the world.
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           theChurch.digital: sending rebels into the digital mission field
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            crazy, right? Good—it should. theChurch.digital exists to shake things up. Forget what you think you know about how missions are "supposed" to work. This is about empowering people like you to share the Gospel in the wild, untamed world of digital spaces. But does the Holy Spirit even work online? Absolutely! He’s moving online in ways that defy convention and tradition.
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           Billy Graham nailed it when he said, "It's the Holy Spirit's job to convict, God's job to judge, and my job to love." That’s the heartbeat of digital missions. Pray for the mission field, trust the Spirit to do His thing, and love people unapologetically, wherever they are—yes, especially in the internet's darkest corners.
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           The new mission field
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           Let’s get one thing straight: digital missionaries aren’t your run-of-the-mill churchgoers. They’re outliers, misfits, and rebels willing to go where others won’t. The digital mission field is full of people who’ve been burned by church or who’ve never set foot in one. Atheists, agnostics, and the de-churched—they’re not coming to us, so we go to them.
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           As Luke 10:2 lays it out: "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few." The digital harvest is ripe, calling for people like you who are ready to break out of the box and make a real impact. This isn’t about fitting in. It’s about standing out, meeting people where they are, and showing Christ’s love in unexpected ways.
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           Forget the old idea of "mission fields." Let’s talk about platforms as places. Twitch, Facebook, VR and video games are the new frontiers, the Wild West of digital ministry. Each has its own culture, rules, and challenges. If you want to make a difference, you have to understand the terrain.
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           theChurch.digital calls this idea "Platforms as Places." It’s about respecting the unique culture of each digital space. What works on Twitch doesn’t fly on Facebook, and VR is a different animal. The key is to adapt, learn the rules, and then break them when the moment is right to bring people closer to Jesus.
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           Some people will say digital missions aren’t real. Let them talk. We’re not here to argue or justify ourselves. The battlefield isn’t in the pews, the seminaries, or the conference rooms. It’s online—messy, chaotic, and full of people searching for meaning. So, let’s stop wasting time trying to convince the skeptics and instead show them what God can do.
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           Actions speak louder than words, and our work in digital missions is proof enough. Lives are being transformed, and the Gospel is spreading in ways that would’ve been impossible just a few decades ago. Let’s keep the focus where it belongs—on the mission.
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           There’s no cookie-cutter formula for digital missions. Forget the "four easy steps" to copy and paste. We have a framework, a foundation you can build on and adapt to your unique mission. It’s called the Digital Missionary Framework: Connect, Community, Equip, and Mobilize—and it’s your playbook for shaking up the digital world.
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           First, you have to make contact. Go where the people are—on social media, gaming lobbies, and VR spaces. Show up authentically. Connection is about being honest, present, and approachable. Don’t bring answers right away—bring curiosity, come in ready to listen, learn, and care. Build trust by being authentically you, and watch as doors begin to open.
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           Connection is just the beginning. The next step is to build a community where people can belong before they believe. This isn’t about creating a fan club; it’s about fostering real relationships. Host an asynchronous Bible study on Discord, make friends in a Facebook group, or share Jesus while playing games like Final Fantasy. We see digital evangelism and discipleship happen best in community. Make people feel seen, heard, and valued.
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           Once people are part of the community, it’s time to equip them. Teach the Gospel in ways that connect to their world. Give tools, resources, and confidence so they can share their faith boldly. Don’t spoon-feed—empower them to own their spiritual growth and multiply the impact.
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           Finally, it’s go-time. Mobilize your people to take action. Whether starting ministry on Twitch, creating content for Youtube, or hosting prayer in VR, send them out as change-makers. The revolution begins when the equipped begin equipping others.
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           Contextualization: the digital missionary's secret weapon
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           One size does not fit all in digital missions. Contextualization is everything. What works on Twitch might flop on Facebook, and VR needs its own strategy. Your mission? Understand your audience, figure out what resonates, and tailor your approach.
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           Don’t try to reach everyone—it’s the fastest way to reach no one. Narrow your focus. Define your niche and speak directly to the people God has equipped you to reach. That’s where transformation starts.
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           Let’s flip the script. What’s better: a million-person megachurch or 100,000 churches of ten? Smaller, decentralized communities create deeper relationships and real discipleship. They’re agile, adaptable, and perfect for the digital age.
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           This isn’t about tearing down traditional churches—it’s about creating something new for those left unreached by conventional methods. Be bold, try something different, and trust God to work through it.
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           A global rebellion of digital missionaries
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           theChurch.digital isn’t just equipping digital missionaries—it’s igniting a global movement. Networks of rebels are rising, bringing the Gospel to every corner of the digital world. This is bigger than any one person or organization—it’s about transforming how people encounter Jesus, one connection at a time.
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           Are you ready to step into the digital mission field? theChurch.digital’s Equipping Digital Missionaries Cohort is your launchpad. Here’s what awaits you:
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           This isn’t just training—it’s a call to action. The digital harvest is ripe and waiting. Let’s take the Gospel boldly into every corner of the digital world.
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      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 22:05:35 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>What if You Stopped Playing It Safe? A Rebel's Guide to Niche-Casting for Digital Missionaries</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/what-if-you-stopped-playing-it-safe-a-rebel-s-guide-to-niche-casting-for-digital-missionaries</link>
      <description>What is niche-casting, and how can it transform online ministry? This explores how digital missionaries balance connection and community, tackle the challenges of digital spaces, and make a lasting impact instead of simply producing content and broadcasting church services.</description>
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           Connection in the digital age is about someone specific—the person who resonates so deeply with you they lean in without hesitation. That’s where “niche-casting” comes in. 
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           Forget the one-size-fits-all broadcasting approach that tends to scream into the void. Niche-casting is specific, unapologetic, and a bold approach for those who dare personalize ministry. As digital missionaries, if you're not successfully connecting with people, it’s time to change your approach.
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           Niche-casting is the art of precision. It's not about casting the widest net, it's about aiming for the bullseye. It’s about knowing who you are called to reach and deliver precisely what they need even if they don’t even know what it is. 
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           Here’s the kicker: niche-casting isn’t just a tactic, it’s a radical shift in how we think about ministry. It’s the difference between posting a church service on Youtube and building an online community where people don’t just watch but interact, get discipled, and multiply. It’s about disrupting the idea that church has to be a physical place and challenges the notion that you have to reach everyone. Instead, it focuses on connecting with a specific someone that is possibly still unreached.
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           In digital spaces, your niche could be anything—a Discord server for gamers looking to connect faith with their daily grind, a Tiktok ministry for single moms, or a Youtube channel that dives deep into modern theology for Gen Z skeptics. Your calling defines your niche; so who is God calling you to reach?
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             — When you niche cast, you’re not just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. You’re creating content that speaks directly to your audience’s deepest needs and questions. This isn’t about being viral; it’s about value. And value always trumps virality in the long run. Remember the parable of scattering the seeds? Niche-casting helps you aim the seeds at the fertile soil before you start throwing.
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            — Real talk: People don’t stick around for content alone—they stay for community. A niche audience isn’t just a crowd; it’s a tribe. When you consistently show up for your people, they’ll show up for you and each other. Niche-casting is the heartbeat of digital discipleship because it prioritizes relationships over reach.
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             — Why waste time trying to reach 10,000 people who aren’t interested? With niche-casting, you’re investing your time, energy, and resources into the audience that cares. You’re not trying to change the world all at once; you’re starting with the corner you’ve been called to.
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           The shadows of niche-casting
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             — Yes, niche-casting means narrowing your audience. The critics will tell you that limiting your reach limits your impact. But here’s the truth: the ripple effect can be massive when you reach fewer people more deeply. Think quality over quantity.
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             — When hyper-focused on a specific niche, you risk making others feel like they don’t belong. This doesn’t mean watering down your message—it means making sure your community feels welcoming while it stays focused.
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            — Creating content for a niche means staying sharp. You must understand your audience so well that you can anticipate their needs. Your content risks becoming stale if you don’t stay updated and willing to grow, learn and innovate.
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           Why connection is the beginning of everything
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           Before you start niche-casting, you’ve got to get one thing straight: connection is the beginning of everything. People are drowning in content, scrolling through an endless feed of static noise — doomscrolling. Connection is what cuts through the noise of everything.
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           Digital missionaries who get connections understand that their audience craves to be seen, heard, and validated. Connections make people feel like they belong, as if there’s a space carved out for them in your corner of the internet, and there is.
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           The uncomfortable truth is, connection is even harder online. You can’t rely on a handshake at the door or a friendly coffee meet-up to break the ice. Instead, you’ve got to show up with authenticity, consistency, and a sharp understanding of what your audience needs. This is where niche-casting becomes your secret weapon to love people. You’re not trying to reach everyone; you’re reaching the right ones. And that makes all the difference.
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           Niche-casting is about deep connection, but it’s also about community. Connection is the first step, but community is the long game. If you focus too much on individual connections, you might miss the chance to build a dynamic, thriving group.
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           A healthy community doesn’t just depend on you—it must grow beyond you. That’s why you’ve got to balance creating tailored, niche-specific content with making your community accessible and open to growth.
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           Why niche-casting matters today
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           We’re in a digital ministry renaissance, and niche-casting is the front line. The old broadcast-everything-to-everyone model is crumbling because people are no longer satisfied with generic feel good messages. They want something raw, authentic, and relevant.
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           Niche-casting challenges digital missionaries to stop playing it safe. It’s about stepping into the messiness of specific needs, leaning into the awkwardness of asking what people want, and showing up in ways that disrupt the status quo.
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           The future of digital ministry is niche. It’s not about bigger buildings, flashier services, or more followers. It’s about being bold enough to say, “This is who we are, and this is who we’re for.”
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             — who are your people? What keeps them up at night? What makes them laugh, cry, and question everything? If you don’t know, simply ask. Survey your audience, listen to their stories, and dig deep until you are able to define your niche.
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             - your niche isn’t just a group of individuals—it’s a tribe waiting to meet and connect. Create spaces where they can engage with you and each other. Whether it’s a Discord server, a Facebook group, or a Zoom Bible study, make room for relationships to happen.
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           Niche-casting isn’t for the faint of heart. It’s for the ones willing to break the mold, challenge the norms, and do something radically different to reach someone radically different. It’s for the rebels, the innovators, and the digital missionaries who believe that connection—real, messy, meaningful connection—is worth fighting for.
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           So, what are you waiting for? Get out there and start niche-casting. Your people are waiting, and they need what only you can offer. Don’t play it safe. Be bold, be specific, and watch what happens when you choose to truly step into your calling.
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      <title>25 theChurch.digital Promises for 2025</title>
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      <description>2025 is set to be a groundbreaking year for theChurch.digital as we focus on equipping and mobilizing digital missionaries worldwide. From innovative training formats and community expansion to global partnerships and gospel-centered initiatives, we're creating new ways to connect, empower and support digital missions. With a bold vision for prayer, discipleship and a lot more gospel conversations, this year promises to redefine how we share Jesus in digital spaces.</description>
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           New website. A fresh community launch. A laser focus on digital missionaries. Lausanne Congress in Korea. Launching Equipping Digital Missionaries. So, what’s next for 2025?
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           We’re all in for 2025! With God's call to help digital missionaries, we are dedicating 2025 to equipping and mobilizing digital missionaries. Here’s what’s coming;
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            — 2024 set the stage with digital missionary frameworks, platforms as places, and archetypes. That was just the warm-up. Buckle up for what’s next.
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            — The EDM Beta is going well, but we’re learning from our participants. What would a two-day workshop on EDM look like? Or an on-demand coaching group? We’re adapting EDM to make it more accessible to different cultures and making it work globally.
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             — The bigger theChurch.digital gets, the smaller we need to become. Outposts are the relational networks we’re developing to encourage, explore and experiment with digital ministry in platforms and places.
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            — Work hard and, well, you can actually take time off and play! Jump on with Jeff and friends as we play some online games like Jackbox’s Fibbage and Quiplash! Bring your iPhone or smartphone and play along. Audience participation is encouraged. 
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            — I love streaming, but theChurch.digital hears a lot of my perspective. Let’s get some other voices from across the globe to share new perspectives. Let’s listen and learn.
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             — Same thing with open offices! There’s so much wisdom in theChurch.digital - we need to learn from each other! Here is the listing at
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            The span of care for a digital missionary
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            What does ongoing care look like for a digital missionary spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically? This is one of our highest priorities in 2025.
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            With guidance from our ministry partner Reliant, our missionaries can fundraise through theChurch.digital’s nonprofit status. With expert coaching, you’ll learn to secure the support you need to do what God has called you to.
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            — Many organizations are rallying to support digital missionaries. You’re not alone, and the partnerships coming in 2025 prove it.
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            — theChurch.digital is passionate about resourcing digital missionaries inside the network, but we also want to help those outside the network. As this generation of missionaries and digital churches succeed, so will the next generation! So, how can we help you?
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            — How should digital missionaries like you adapt to physical contexts or cultures? Let’s explore how physical cultures affect digital mission work.
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            How does the digital culture found on platforms affect connections? How should digital missionaries like you adjust to different platforms to effectively share the gospel? 
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            — You asked, and we heard! theChurch.digital is hosting an online digital missionary conference in spring 2025.
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            Because one is not enough, we will hold a second online conference for digital missionaries in the fall! 
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            — We are seeing movements globally as we launch new Outposts in physical regions like Europe, Southeast Asia and Oceania. But what about platforms? Gaming is our first foray into creating a platform-based Outpost, with Flatcap leading the charge! 
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            — Is theChurch.digital gospel-centered? Maybe. Can it be better? Certainly! Can we help digital ministry model it so other missionaries and churches can follow our path? That’s the plan!
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            Similarly, what is the role of prayer in digital church? As an organization, we are challenging ourselves to become more prayer-dependent. Look for prayer initiatives and digital prayer events in 2025 as we seek God together online.
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            We want to see God move digitally, so we are challenging our missionaries and others to share Jesus 20,000 times in 2025. What can God do if we are obedient in telling others about Jesus?
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             — In addition to the gospel conversations, we are quantitative and qualitative about what God is doing in digital spaces. More stories and celebrations are coming to theChurch.digital in 2025.
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            — Like any good network, we keep our people updated! We’ll sit down with you four times in 2025 and have a good ol’ Town Hall meeting! Look for the first one February 11, 2025 as part of my stream! Find more info at theChurch.digital
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             — We had so much fun the first time, let’s do it again! 24 hours long this time? Well. Look for a global takeover as we tell some stories from all over.
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           Even if we accomplished a fraction of these, 2025 would be an incredible year. With all these promises in the pipeline, I pray God be with us in 2025! What can you do? What part can you play?
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            Pray with us, right now, and commit to praying over this list! Become part of the prayer list and trust that God will bless our efforts and change lives globally.
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            Reach out. If you're interested in participating in one of these projects, let us know and we’ll connect with you. We’re always looking for those passionate to help equip and mobilize digital missionaries.
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      <title>Revolutionizing Digital Churches: Embracing Community Over Pulpits</title>
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      <description>The church is at a crossroads, facing the need to move beyond traditional, pulpit-focused models and embrace digital ministry as a catalyst for transformation. Digital platforms provide opportunities to foster authentic relationships, empower individuals and reach those beyond physical walls, making the mission of Jesus accessible to a world in need of connection and hope.</description>
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           The conversation around digital ministry and the rise of digital churches is a call to challenge the status quo. It’s time to rethink the traditional pulpit-driven model and embrace community-led transformation.
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           Why is the church stuck?
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           The modern church feels more like a spectacle. The pastor is center stage for a 40-minute monologue, while the congregation passively consumes. How did we end up here? It’s a long story, rooted deep in history. Books like Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola and George Barna explore how historical decisions shaped our modern church. Spoiler alert: many practices we think are biblical are actually extra-biblical.
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           In the 4th century AD, there was an event called the Nicene Creed, during which the Roman authorities attempted to control the growth of Christianity by introducing an oratorical method instead of letting it grow organically. It wasn't a progression but a deliberate move to maintain power. Imagine if we had challenged that move back then. Would we be here today?
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            Preaching isn’t, and shouldn’t be, the only focus. The church isn’t about one person doing all the talking. Scripture calls us to grow from learning to living out our faith. Imagine if, instead of one person leading from a stage, every believer embraced their gifts to live out Jesus within their communities. That’s where real transformation happens, when faith moves beyond words to action in everyday lives.
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           Being honest with ourselves, Sunday morning evangelism is losing its impact. We keep saying the mission starts when we step outside the church doors, but do we actually live like that? It’s time to pause, reflect, and ask tough questions. Are we truly equipping people to embody Jesus’ teachings in their everyday lives and communities?
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            Let’s rethink church strategy—shifting from filling seats to building deep connections in our communities. Church online opens doors to belonging and unity far beyond physical walls. They help us connect with people from all walks of life, creating spaces where everyone feels welcomed and valued.
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           Imagine every believer inspired to share Christ’s teachings with their established connections. That’s the goal: a church community that catalyzes transformation, not just another weekly routine. It’s about following the Spirit’s lead, building relationships and empowering everyone to advance the mission of Jesus.
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           Questions you've been asking
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            What are digital churches?
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           Digital churches are communities that operate primarily online, using tech to foster relationships and spiritual growth digitally.
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           Start by empowering your congregation. Offer training, resources and support to help them share their faith organically online. 
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           Pastors should focus on equipping and empowering their congregation for the work of ministry rather than being the sole voice in the church.
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           We live in a world where isolation is rampant. Building genuine relationships online can provide support, encouragement and a sense of belonging across the world.
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           Digital platforms allow for a broader reach and can create meaningful connections that lead to genuine faith conversations. Online is where people live and are sometimes more willing to open up. 
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           So, are you ready to challenge the established norm and reach the unreached online? It’s time to embrace the potential of digital church and redefine what it means to be the church. Let’s lean into community, empower believers and watch as the movement of Christ spreads like wildfire just like the first century church. The future online is bright and it’s time we step into it together!
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:20:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>The Future of Faith Beyond the Four Walls</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/the-future-of-faith-beyond-the-four-walls</link>
      <description>Discover how digital discipleship breaks barriers and redefines spiritual growth. Beyond physical walls, tools like Zoom and Discord create authentic connections and global opportunities to reach those the building never could. The future of discipleship is here—are you ready?</description>
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            Is your understanding of discipleship stuck in a building?
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           In a world that's constantly evolving, digital discipleship isn’t a trend—it’s a revolution. While some cling to the belief that discipleship can only happen in a church building, isn’t it time we challenge that? Let’s look into why we need to embrace the digital space for discipleship and how it can be just as powerful as traditional methods.
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           The controversy of discipleship outside the church
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           Digital tools like Zoom, Discord, and Whatsapp spark debate among church leaders and many believe that true connection can only happen in person. However let’s face it, this belief seems to stem more from norms rather than actual reality.
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           At theChurch.digital, we’ve seen God move powerfully online firsthand. The Holy Spirit isn’t limited by physical location; He touches lives wherever people gather, even digitally located. Despite these testimonies, much skepticism still persists.
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           The traditionalist's dilemma
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           Some church leaders strongly hold on to their beliefs and argue that online communities lack the genuine connection found in face-to-face gatherings.
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            “It’s not as authentic as being in the building.”
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            “You can’t see their physical cues.”
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            “God doesn’t move in digital spaces.”
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           Sound familiar? But here is the thing, Jesus was a game changer in His religious context! He didn't just follow the norm of his era, He sometimes even went against it! He connected with people in transformative ways, why can’t we follow His lead and do the same?
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           Jesus the original disruptor
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           Jesus didn't confine Himself to the temple. He challenged traditions, while the Pharisees clung to what they knew and missed the movement. Today, 2000 years later, we’re in the same boat. Churches resist digital discipleship because it’s unfamiliar, but like Jesus, we’re called to meet people where they are—online and beyond.
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           Be the change you’re called to be
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           If you have a passion for digital and want to see people discipled, then go for it! Don’t wait for permission or validation from someone who may not understand or agree. Be the example of what digital discipleship can look like. Show them what can happen when you step out in faith and utilize digital tools to reach others. After all, why would you not do what God is calling you to do?
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           When you're told you can't pursue something Jesus is guiding you towards by a person's doubts or opinions, ask yourself this question instead: “Whose voice will you follow; theirs or that of the Holy Spirit?”
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           Celebrating digital discipleship
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           As you step into this digital adventure, remember to honor the wins—big or small. Take time to share your stories and lessons with others. Why? Because your journey isn’t just yours. Sharing it inspires others to dream bigger, push boundaries, and step into new spaces.
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           Digital environments aren’t limited by physical walls. Platforms, networks, and communities open doors for connection, discipleship, and innovation. This is your opportunity to engage globally, to reach people the building never could, and to break away from what’s “normal” to pursue what’s possible.
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           So celebrate. Share. And keep pushing forward—because every win in digital discipleship fuels the mission for what’s next.
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            What is Digital Discipleship?
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           Online discipleship is about connecting digitally to build community and guide people spiritually. It’s not a downgrade from face-to-face: it’s a different space for spiritual growth, using tools that meet people where they are.
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            Can the Holy Spirit work in digital spaces?
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           Absolutely. The Holy Spirit isn’t bound by walls or Wi-Fi. Lives have been transformed, faith has deepened, and people have encountered God powerfully in digital spaces.
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            How can I start digital discipleship?
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           Start small. Use tools like Zoom, Whatsapp, or Discord to connect with people in your circles. Build a group, share ideas, have intentional conversations, and create spaces for spiritual growth. Start where you are—God meets you there.
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            What if my church doesn’t support digital discipleship?
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           Don’t let that stop you. Lead by example. Start discipling digitally and let the impact speak for itself. Share the wins—stories of connection, transformation, and growth—and show your church the opportunities waiting beyond the building.
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           Conclusion: the future is digital
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           Digital discipleship isn’t a trend—it’s the future of connection, engagement, and spiritual growth. It’s about breaking from the old norms and stepping into bold, innovative methods to reach the lost and disciple the found. So, are you ready? The mission field is digital, and the world is waiting.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 10:15:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/the-future-of-faith-beyond-the-four-walls</guid>
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      <title>Reshaping Evangelism in the 21st Century</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/reshaping-evangelism-in-the-21st-century</link>
      <description>Explore how digital missions are transforming outreach by meeting people where they are online. From creating vibrant faith communities to fostering genuine connections on digital platforms, this offer endless opportunities for spiritual growth and connection. Discover how innovative approaches are reshaping evangelism for today’s online world.</description>
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            What if evangelism could happen with a single swipe?
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           Imagine a world where reaching out to the unreached has no physical limitations. Digital missions are transforming outreach, turning the digital landscape into a dynamic mission field.  We explore how digital missionaries are not just adapting but thriving in this new frontier, connecting with individuals who might never step inside a church.
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           The mission field is now online
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           Missions often mean long journeys, but what about the millions just a click away? Meet Rose. She's a missionary making an impact through Tiktok with a following of approximately 70 000 followers. 
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           Her live streams allow her to engage in conversations with those who may not otherwise consider visiting a church. It's truly remarkable how these interactions spark discussions about faith and inspire viewers as they witness her connecting with people in real-time.
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           What happens next is a game-changer. Rose’s team shares resources, bible verses, and invites followers into online and real-world communities. This is the heartbeat of digital missions, creating thriving spaces for faith to take root online.
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           Building real connections online
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           Doro uplifts women online who face chronic illness or exhaustion from life's challenges. She uses Facebook to build a community where these women can discover meditations and take a break from their daily battles. Her method is personalized as she meets the needs of her audience while leading them towards faith and unity, through a church community.
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           Take Claudia, for instance. She felt isolated due to her child’s autism, believing she could never be part of a church community. Thanks to Doro’s digital outreach, Claudia found a place where she could engage with faith and contribute to a community that understands her circumstances. This is what digital missions are all about—meeting people where they are and providing a sense of belonging.
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           Digital missionaries are utilizing platforms such as Whatsapp, Instagram and Discord. By showing up to connect with a range of people and by embracing the distinct cultures of these platforms, they are interacting genuinely with users. Discord, in particular, is creating a fresh way to reach gamers, blending connection and spiritual growth.
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           When we engage with these platforms we should also take into account the subtleties and ways of communication that connect with users. The aim is to express belief, in a manner that seems organic and easy to relate to within these environments.
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           The future of digital missions
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           The potential for digital missions is immense. We stand on the brink of a revolution in how we think about outreach. With the right tools and strategies, we can reach people who have been left out of traditional church experiences. Digital platforms not only connect us but also empower us to build communities on faith and mutual support.
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           As we move forward, let’s not forget that the heart of digital missions lies in our ability to foster genuine relationships and provide spaces for spiritual growth, digitally. The opportunities are endless, and they are just a swipe away.
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           Questions you've been asking
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            What are digital missions?
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           Digital missions refer to evangelistic efforts that utilize digital platforms and tech to reach and engage individuals with the message of the gospel, creating communities that support spiritual growth.
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            How can I get involved in digital missions?
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           Start where you are—social media. These platforms allow you to express your beliefs openly and even launch your own digital outreach projects to spread hope online and genuinely connect with others to spark meaningful discussions about faith.
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           Sure thing! Digital missions have shown their effectiveness in connecting with people who might not typically interact with physical church environments. By reaching out to individuals in the spaces they spent most of their time and building connections with them, we can guide them towards embracing the gospel through community.
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           Social media platforms like Tiktok and Instagram provide opportunities to connect with online communities; engage with their audiences and tailor your strategy to fit their preferences.
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           While traditional missions often involve physical travel to distant places, digital missions leverage tech to reach individuals across the globe—instantly. It’s about creating connections in a digital landscape that reflects the diversity of today’s growing online world.
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      <pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:43:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/reshaping-evangelism-in-the-21st-century</guid>
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      <description>In a world where faith and technology collide, digital churches on platforms like Twitch are redefining community and discipleship. By meeting people in the spaces they already inhabit, these churches are proving that spiritual growth and authentic connection can thrive in digital spaces.</description>
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            Can a church really exist, and thrive on Twitch?
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           In a changing world, the idea of a "digital church " is growing in popularity. Twitch, a platform known for gamers, might seem like the last place for spiritual growth, but what if it’s the next frontier for the church? Nevertheless the truth is much richer and impactful. Churches are proving digital spaces can fuel faith, community, and connection. Here’s how;
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           What is a digital church?
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           The concept of a digital church isn’t just about streaming services and goes beyond limits by operating in realms where individuals come together not only for gaming but also, for authentic interactions. 
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           Digital churches are forming online communities, building relationships and turning spaces like Twitch into hubs for connection, discipleship, and trust. Evangelism and discipleship happen best in digital communities. The gaming approach isn't merely an act but an innovative means to reach out to those who may set foot in a physical building.
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           Building community through gaming
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           Imagine a community built around games like World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy, where churches create consistent gatherings that resemble the rhythms of a traditional church. Gaming sessions become shared experiences that spark conversations about faith, deepening connections in the spaces people already live and play
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           Life on life discipleship
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           Online discipleship takes on a different meaning. Members of a community engage not in playing games but in deep conversations, about beliefs and teachings. These talks occur in real time streams or private messages creating a mix of interactions with spiritual purpose.
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           Establishing community standards
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           Like any church, digital spaces need guidelines to thrive. Just as traditional settings have etiquette, like finding your seat, online churches on Twitch establish rules to guide respectful participation. These create a safe, inclusive atmosphere for every member of the virtual congregation.
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           Twitch’s interactivity changes everything. With live chats, digital churches aren’t monologues—they’re real-time dialogues that foster deeper connections.
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           Preaching in real-time
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           Imagine delivering a sermon and hearing instant feedback through chat. Twitch turns preaching into a two-way conversation, breaking the boundaries of traditional church services.
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           Reaching the unreachable
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           The Biblical beauty of a digital church is in its capability to connect with the unchurched and those who feel sidelined by traditional faith spaces. Twitch provides a unique atmosphere and a new approach. It is a place where they can delve deeper without the constraints of a traditional church. The opportunity to explore spirituality is unrestricted and approachable.
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           Limitations and opportunities
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           Twitch opens doors for ministry and outreach in unique ways, but it comes with constraints to consider. Musical worship and deeper two-way conversations can be difficult on the platform. Still, digital-first churches innovate by using tools like Discord and Zoom, creating flexible worship experiences that meet their communities’ needs.
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           Embracing the digital mission field
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           In this era of technology advancement we must acknowledge the potential for churches to flourish in settings. Twitch goes beyond a gaming site; it serves as a hub, for spiritual interaction and fostering communities. The era of the Digital Church is upon us urging us to embrace a realm where faith intersects, with technology opening doors for bonding and personal development.
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            Questions you've been asking
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            Can a church really thrive on Twitch?
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           Absolutely! Churches are using twitch to build communities and foster spiritual growth through gaming, conversations, and live interactions.
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            How do churches establish community standards on Twitch?
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           Just like physical churches, digital spaces create guidelines to ensure safe, welcoming, and respectful environments.
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            What types of activities do Digital Churches engage in?
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           Everything from gaming sessions and Bible studies to interactive sermons and real-time community discussions.
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            Are there limitations to using Twitch for church activities?
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           Sure. Twitch isn’t great for musical worship, but churches use tools like Discord or Zoom to fill the gaps and deepen engagement.
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            How can I get involved with a Digital Church?
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           Explore! Find a Twitch channel that speaks to you, join chats, and connect with the community to discover what they’re all about.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:25:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/can-church-exist-on-twitch</guid>
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      <title>Digital Discipleship: Bridging the Gap Between Faith and Technology</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/bridging-the-gap-between-faith-and-technology</link>
      <description>In a world where digital connections shape relationships, digital discipleship redefines how we share Jesus. By embracing online platforms and fostering trust, we can create meaningful, boundary-respecting spaces for spiritual growth and authentic discipleship.</description>
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            Is digital discipleship as real as in-person discipleship?
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           The answer is a resounding yes! As long as we’re connecting with real people and addressing their genuine needs for Jesus, we are engaging in authentic discipleship. Let’s dig into why digital discipleship matters and see how we can effectively bring the message of hope into the digital realm.
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           Understanding Digital Discipleship
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           Discipleship often brings to mind in-person gatherings, like church groups or events. These matter of course but we can’t ignore online spaces. 
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           Whether it’s through Facebook groups, WhatsApp chats, or other digital platforms, these spaces are teeming with opportunities to share the gospel and make disciples.
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           The gospel has no boundaries—neither should we. The reality is that many of us are already engaging in various online environments. 
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           As we navigate our digital lives, we encounter people who are eager for connection, understanding, and spiritual guidance. This is where digital discipleship comes into play, allowing us to meet people where they are.
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           Bringing Discipleship to Digital Spaces
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           Instead of asking whether digital discipleship is valid, let’s flip the script. Why wouldn’t we bring discipleship to the channels we already frequent? People are worth our time, whether we meet them in person or online. 
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           The mission is to share the good news, answer questions, and engage in deeper conversations with those who are open to it.
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           I remember a time when I was new in my faith and wanted to share the good news. I often felt unsure and hesitant. 
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           To practice, I would engage with telemarketers who called me. It was fascinating to see how easy it was to talk about my faith when there was no ongoing relationship. 
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           This taught me that digital spaces can create unique opportunities for fearless, intentional connection.
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           The Power of Digital Connections
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           Digital discipleship isn’t a plan B; it’s a powerful tool to reach those outside traditional church circles.
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           For many, the online world is their only connection point. If we’re not showing up, we’re leaving them behind. It’s time to engage and be present where they are.
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           By embracing digital discipleship, we can create meaningful relationships and guide others in their journey towards Christ. These interactions aren’t less meaningful—they’re fertile ground to plant seeds of faith and watch them grow.
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           Embracing the Journey Together
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           As we embark on this journey of digital discipleship, let’s remember that it’s about the people. Each interaction holds the potential to impact a life. 
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           Every comment, every conversation, every post is a chance to share the love of Jesus. Let’s engage with intention, knowing the potential to change lives is right at our fingertips.
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           If we live online, then our mission lives online too. The call is clear: share Jesus where people need Him most. Let’s embrace this responsibility boldly and unapologetically.
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           Frequently Asked Questions about Digital Discipleship
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           Digital discipleship is about sharing the gospel and mentoring others in digital spaces. It’s recognizing that online platforms can connect people and help them grow spiritually.
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            Can digital discipleship be as effective as in-person discipleship?
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           Absolutely. Digital discipleship opens doors to unique conversations and connections that foster spiritual growth. It’s about depth, not the platform.
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            How can I start engaging in digital discipleship?
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           Start with the platforms you already use. Look for chances to share your faith, answer questions, and connect with others. Approach every interaction intentionally and stay open to spiritual conversations.
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            What if people are not interested in digital discipleship?
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           Not everyone will say yes, and that’s fine! Focus on those who are open to conversations about faith. Many people are ready to learn and grow spiritually—you just need to find them.
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            How can I make my digital discipleship more effective?
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           Be authentic. Share your story, listen closely, and answer questions honestly. Meaningful relationships are built on trust and relatability—start there.
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           Digital discipleship isn’t a trend; it’s a critical piece of the mission to share Jesus with the world. Every interaction online is a chance to disciple someone and leave a mark. Let’s bridge the divide between faith and tech, connecting with people wherever they are.
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      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/bridging-the-gap-between-faith-and-technology</guid>
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      <title>How Digital Missionaries Handle Privacy and Personal Concerns</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/how-digital-missionaries-handle-privacy-and-personal-concerns</link>
      <description>In the evolving landscape of digital ministry, safeguarding privacy is key to building trust. By respecting boundaries, leveraging technology, and navigating platform nuances, digital missionaries create safe spaces for meaningful conversations. These efforts foster genuine relationships and empower discipleship in digital spaces.</description>
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           In digital ministry, the role of a digital missionary has never been more crucial. These trailblazers don’t just spread the gospel—they tackle the complexities of privacy and personal concerns that come with online interactions. 
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           Digital missionaries work to create spaces where people feel safe sharing their thoughts and experiences. But it’s not always easy. While some engage freely, others hold back, weighed down by fear of judgment.
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            Respecting online identities
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           Respecting privacy is foundational to digital ministry. Many people use pseudonyms or usernames, like "flat cap," to protect their identities. 
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           As digital missionaries, it’s essential to honor these choices and avoid sharing personal information unless explicitly permitted. Although this may seem straightforward, it requires a thoughtful approach.
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            Understanding platform etiquette
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           Every digital platform has its own set of unwritten rules, and as digital missionaries, understanding these nuances is essential. Communicating appropriately in different spaces builds trust and helps people feel at ease. 
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           For example, sensitive conversations are best handled in private messages rather than public forums—but context is key. Public forums can be tempting but often lack the privacy needed for deeper discussions.
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           When it comes to sharing personal information, setting clear boundaries is critical. If you prefer to keep your real name or location private, communicate this upfront. 
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           Doing so not only protects your identity but also models healthy boundaries for others in your community. While establishing these limits may be challenging, they’re vital for maintaining trust and security in digital ministry.
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            Utilizing technology for safety
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           Technology is a lifeline for digital missionaries and those they serve. VPNs, for instance, mask locations and protect identities. This is crucial in regions where revealing personal info could be dangerous. For people in oppressive settings, these tools can mean everything.
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           In some cases, using avatars or voice communication can provide an additional layer of privacy. These methods block facial recognition and shield personal details, creating safer interactions in digital spaces. These tools aren’t just convenient—they’re a necessity in high-risk scenarios.
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            Separating personal and ministry accounts
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           Sometimes, separate accounts for personal and ministry work are a must. This separation protects sensitive details—like family information—in unstable or unpredictable environments.
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            Creating a culture of safety and trust
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           Digital missionaries must build cultures of safety and trust. This means protecting their own privacy and safeguarding others’. Never share or request personal information without consent. The digital world is full of risks, and vigilance is non-negotiable.
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           Through the implementation of these strategies...
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            Digital missionaries minister effectively by respecting privacy.
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            This approach deepens relationships and sparks spiritual growth.
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            While skeptics may doubt the impact, the potential for meaningful connections is undeniable in today’s digital age.
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           Question you've been asking
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            What is a digital missionary?
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           A digital missionary spreads the gospel online while respecting privacy and fostering meaningful engagement.
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            How can I protect my privacy online as a digital missionary?
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           Use VPNs, separate accounts, and password managers to secure your digital ministry.
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            Why is it important to respect others' privacy in digital ministry?
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           It builds trust and creates safe spaces for open conversations.
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            What should I do if someone shares sensitive information with me?
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           Keep it confidential and move discussions to private channels.
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            How can I encourage others to maintain their privacy?
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           Set an example with your own boundaries and talk about why privacy matters.
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      <pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2024 23:18:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/how-digital-missionaries-handle-privacy-and-personal-concerns</guid>
      <g-custom:tags type="string">Digital Missionaries,Digital Community,Online Privacy,Digital Church,Leighton Seys,FlatCap,Digital Discipleship,Security,Security Online</g-custom:tags>
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      <title>Do Digital Missionaries Need to Be Tech Savvy?</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/do-digital-missionaries-need-to-be-tech-savvy</link>
      <description>In a world increasingly shaped by technology, the potential for digital ministry is vast. From leveraging familiar tools to overcoming tech hesitations, the focus is on building authentic connections. Digital spaces offer unique opportunities for sharing faith and fostering meaningful relationships across any distance.</description>
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            Do digital missionaries need to be tech-savvy to succeed in today’s rapidly evolving digital landscape?
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           Well every generation has faced intimidating technologies, only to find ways to adapt. Whether it’s a grandmother Facetiming with her grandchildren or someone in their 70s engaging in online groups, the reality is clear: we’re all using tech, even if it doesn’t feel that way.
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           The reluctance to embrace new technology
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           It’s normal to feel hesitant about new tools and platforms. Many of us have experienced that moment of staring at a new app or device, unsure (and somewhat anxious) about how it works or if it’s worth the effort to learn. That hesitation, often tied to our busy lives, makes it easy to dismiss tech as unnecessary. But look closer. Even reluctant users often rely on tech more than they realize.
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           Embracing familiar tools
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           Digital missionaries don’t need to master every app or platform, just focus on what they already know. If you’re already comfortable with a tool for personal use, why not leverage that for ministry? Many people have successfully used platforms like Zoom or even Facebook to connect with others spiritually. The key is to utilize tools you’re comfortable with, because it allows for authentic engagement and can enhance your outreach efforts.
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           Take someone in their 50s who felt their contributions were no longer needed at the church. They discovered a passion for connecting with others online; engaging in digital groups allowed them to ask questions and actually share experiences. Although some may feel out of touch, they can find their niche in digital ministry. Digital ministry might take effort, but the rewards for stepping into new spaces are undeniable.
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           As digital missionaries, it's essential to recognize that the tools we use for communication can also serve as channels for spiritual engagement. Whether it's a simple text message, an email, or a social media post, these platforms can facilitate conversations about faith and grow discipleship relationships, even internationally. Although these tools are helpful, they can also be limiting because they need a more personal touch. This is why we must be intentional in our interactions.
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           Older generations aren’t the only ones who struggle with tech; young people sometimes exhibit reluctance towards more complex tech. Instead of stressing over mastering everything, digital missionaries should use what they know and realize learning tech is a process. The rewards make the effort worthwhile.
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           What this means for digital missionaries
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           For those new to the journey of a digital missionary, it’s essential to recognize that the core of digital ministry lies not in technical expertise but in the art of building meaningful relationships. Every interaction is a chance to share the Gospel—no matter the platform employed. The objective is to connect with others personally, utilizing tools that feel most intuitive. While some may prioritize honing technical skills, the true strength of this ministry emerges from authentic connections, as genuine relationships pave the way for deeper conversations.
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           Some answers to your questions
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           No, not necessarily. It’s more important to be comfortable with the technology that you use and to focus on building relationships. However, this can be challenging because some may find it difficult. Although expertise is valuable, the emphasis should be on connection, not perfection.
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            What if I need help with using certain technologies?
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           That’s completely okay! Focus on the tools you’re comfortable with. You can always learn as you go; plenty of resources are available to help you improve. This is a process that takes time. Although you may initially feel uncertain, you will find that the journey is worthwhile, because growth often occurs gradually.
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            Can digital tools really help in sharing the Gospel?
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           Absolutely! Digital tools can create opportunities for conversations about faith and help you connect with others meaningfully; however, this connection may be challenging at times. Although they facilitate interaction, some people might struggle to express their thoughts openly because of personal reasons. The potential for growth and understanding remains significant, and many have benefited profoundly from these interactions.
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            How can I engage with others online if I’m not tech-savvy?
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           Start small and use platforms that you’re familiar with to connect with friends or family. Share your thoughts, experiences, and faith journey with Jesus while being mindful of the audience. This can be a powerful way to engage others, even if it may initially seem daunting. You might find that sharing your story becomes easier over time.
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            What if I encounter new technology that feels overwhelming?
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           Consider taking a step back; remember that you don’t have to master everything all at once. Focus on what you already know well and gradually explore new tools. Although rushing can be tempting, patience is key to gaining a deeper understanding.
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           Being a digital missionary doesn’t mean mastering tech. It’s about using the tools you know to build meaningful connections. Familiarity often fosters authenticity. Although people are on the other side of your screen, there’s potential for meaningful engagement. Remain open and you’ll quickly notice the endless opportunities. 
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      <title>The Future of Faith</title>
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      <description>Digital discipleship redefines faith engagement for today’s digital landscape, leveraging technology to foster community, generosity, and deeper relationships online. Through digital missionaries and innovative practices, churches can expand their reach, connect with believers, and develop a clear discipleship pathway that meets people where they actually are.</description>
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           What is digital discipleship in an age of online connection? 
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           In today’s ever-evolving and complex digital landscape, the church faces tough questions on how to effectively engage and disciple believers digitally. The challenge is significant—many struggle to connect in virtual spaces. This raises big questions for churches: How should they adapt?
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           Digital discipleship
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           Digital discipleship represents a new frontier in the discipleship process when it comes to fostering faith through the various technologies that make up our modern world. Once upon a time, if you wanted to grow in your faith, you had to sit in a pew (or, for some denominations, on a cushion), attend the Sunday service, and participate in the rhythms of church life. Who remembers Wednesday night dinners? 
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           Of course, in-person gatherings still have their place and purpose, but despite the best intentions, this model often falls short for today’s world of online connection. Digital discipleship covers everything from online sermons and digital prayer meetings to one-on-one webcam chats. The goal is to recreate a shared faith journey in a digital space.
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           Defining the role of digital missionaries
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           Digital missionaries are the unexpected intersection of church and the digital world—a way for the church to reach the lost online. They are at the heart of digital discipleship, striving to disciple others and share their faith in Christ in digital spaces, meeting people where they already are. What does this look like:
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            Content creation &amp;amp; connection:
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             they create relevant and relatable content that resonates with various demographics, ensuring the message of faith is accessible to all.
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            Engagement in community:
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             digital missionaries actively engage with audiences through interactive content, fostering a sense of belonging and community.
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            Support and guidance:
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             providing spiritual support and guidance through online forums, chat groups, or virtual meetings is essential for nurturing faith in a digital environment.
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           The importance of adaptation in church practices
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           Adapting to both emerging and established technologies is essential, because as culture and society shift, so must the church. This transition to digital discipleship requires new pastoral methods, practices, and theologies to engage with people – not just technology. This is not simply technology-driven change but a reimagining of what church communities look and feel like digitally.
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           Churches should also revise their methodologies and plan to engage their community through new technologies and social media. Leaders and members alike should be trained to use accessible digital tools as an extension of their outreach. Emphasizing innovation will help churches reach their communities and fulfill their mission to the best of their ability.
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           The Manifesto for digital discipleship
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           As churches explore digital discipleship, a guiding framework is critical. Below is a manifesto outlining seven foundational principles and strategies:
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           1. Digital discipleship relies on the church’s ability to adopt a digital ethos.
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           2. Digital discipleship recognizes the significance of this digital ethos and how it reinforces digital discipleship ideals.
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           3. Digital discipleship promotes evangelism, ministry, and vocation.
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           4. It fosters powerful relationships based on interdependence and mutuality.
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           5. It facilitates the integration of digital activities into everyday life, making them seamless and therefore facilitating the formation of a digital spirituality.
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           6. It involves a holistic approach where digital ministry permeates every aspect of the church and people’s lives.
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           7. It encourages the development of a covenant community blending church and the home.
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           Following these principles allows churches to build a solid digital discipleship framework for today’s believers. Yet, executing this well can be complex and requires adapting methods to meet the unique needs of faith communities.
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           Creating spiritual fruitfulness in online ministries
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           Cultivating a spiritual culture of fruitfulness is key to digital discipleship. To grow fruitful online ministries, consider these approaches:
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            Personalized content:
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             tailoring messages and resources to meet the specific needs of different audiences enhances relevance and impact.
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            Regular engagement:
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             consistent interaction through social media, newsletters, and online events keeps people connected.
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            Encouraging participation:
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             inviting people to share their stories, testimonies, and prayers fosters a sense of ownership and community.
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           Creating an environment where people feel valued and engaged is critical to achieving spiritual fruitfulness in online ministries; however, this requires intentional effort. Although many strive for this, only some understand the depth of connection needed to grow such an atmosphere. Because of the digital nature of these ministries, personal engagement can be challenging. Though digital ministry presents challenges in personal engagement, when people feel appreciated, they contribute positively, enriching everyone’s spiritual experience.
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           Challenges of connecting online participants
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           Digital discipleship offers many opportunities but also comes with unique challenges. Engagement is a major one—digital fatigue, distractions, and lack of personal interaction can all be barriers.
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           Churches must intentionally create engaging, interactive online experiences to overcome these hurdles. Strategies may include community forums, virtual services, and resources that resonate. Online platforms, while debated, can foster real connection and support. But not every approach suits everyone, so churches need a flexible, adaptable strategy:
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            Utilizing multimedia:
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             incorporating videos, podcasts, and interactive elements to capture attention and enhance the learning experience.
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            Fostering community:
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             creating online spaces where individuals can connect, share, and support one another.
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            Feedback mechanisms:
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             implement systems for participants to provide feedback and share their needs, allowing continuous improvement.
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           Addressing these challenges allows churches to foster vibrant, compelling digital discipleship experiences that resonate. This requires careful thought and an understanding of people’s needs. While daunting, the potential rewards of a more connected and engaged community are significant.
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           Clarity in discipleship pathways
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           In digital discipleship, clarity in the journey is a game-changer. People need a clear “next step” to engage with faith online, helping them progress on a well-defined path to spiritual growth.
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           To build this, churches can:
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            Define stages
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            : clearly outline the discipleship journey, from initial engagement to deeper involvement, so individuals know where they are and where they’re going.
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            : create visual representations of discipleship pathways to help people see their progress.
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            Regularly update
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           With clear discipleship pathways, digital discipleship moves from an abstract idea to a concrete experience, fostering a supportive, grounded community.
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           The role of community in digital spaces
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           Community is the heart of digital discipleship. Everyone wants to belong, but making that real online takes effort. Some may say digital connections lack depth, but with the right approach, they can be rich and meaningful.
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           To build community digitally:
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            : host small group gatherings for open sharing, prayer, and growth.
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            : create live experiences—Q&amp;amp;As, webinars, virtual prayer—that bring people together in real time.
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            : use social platforms to create spaces for dialogue, encouragement, and real connection.
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           By prioritizing community in digital spaces, churches cultivate a home where relationships are built, faith grows, and people find real belonging.
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           Exploring online giving and generosity
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           Online giving isn’t just about finance; it’s a vision for generosity that supports digital ministry. With so many people engaging online, now is the time to cultivate a culture of generosity.
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           Churches can encourage online giving by:
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            Providing clear options
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            : make giving easy and accessible through your website or app with simple, clear instructions.
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            Sharing impact stories
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            : regularly update your community on how donations make a difference, adding personal stories to illustrate the impact.
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            Encouraging consistency
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           Building a culture of generosity fuels digital ministry, allowing churches to go further in their mission with the support of a committed online community.
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           The future of digital and in-person church engagement
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           The future church isn’t about choosing digital or in-person; it’s about both. As the world blends physical and digital, churches must explore how to thrive in both spaces.
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           A balanced approach might include:
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            Integrating experiences
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            : design events that combine digital and in-person aspects for a truly inclusive experience.
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            Investing in technology
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            : equip your church for seamless digital and in-person gatherings, making it easy for people to engage wherever they are.
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            Encouraging flexibility
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            : foster a culture open to new ways of engaging, allowing room for innovation and change.
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           By blending digital and in-person, churches can connect widely and deeply, creating space for a more connected community ready for the future.
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           Emphasizing digital relationships
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           Relationships are the foundation of digital discipleship. It’s the depth of connection—how much someone feels seen and valued—that makes the difference.
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           Churches can strengthen digital relationships by:
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            : encourage leaders to connect personally with online participants, making the connection real.
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            Facilitating open dialogue
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            : provide spaces for people to share questions and experiences, building community and trust.
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            Celebrating milestones
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            : acknowledge community milestones, reinforcing the value of each person’s journey.
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           By focusing on digital relationships, churches create a space where faith can thrive and people feel they truly belong.
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           Embracing digital discipleship
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           Digital discipleship is more than tech—it’s about connecting, sharing, and living out the gospel in a digital age. Mastering community, generosity, and relationships gives the church powerful tools to reach into the future with confidence.
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           Churches willing to innovate and center their mission on community will find new doors opening for digital ministry. Digital discipleship isn’t just the future; it’s today’s opportunity for churches ready to go beyond.
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      <title>Success in Digital Ministry</title>
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      <description>Digital ministry goes beyond metrics, aiming to inspire growth and foster meaningful connections. Success is seen in moments of transformation, from shared testimonies to active engagement in community spaces. Each interaction becomes an opportunity to impact lives and build lasting friendships.</description>
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           How do we measure success in digital ministry?
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           Success in digital ministry goes beyond numbers. While followers, likes, and views can indicate reach, true success goes much deeper.
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           Engagement over numbers 
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           Real success in any ministry, including digital, focuses on engagement and transformation. Are people truly growing in their faith? Are they building meaningful connections? Are lives being impacted by the message of Christ? These questions help us define success.
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           Defining True Success
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           Whether online or in-person ministries, we should look for those moments that signify success:
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            When someone shares a testimony.
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            When someone asks for prayer.
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            When they take a step forward in their faith journey.
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           These moments reveal changed hearts and authentic community, reminding us that success is about lives touched, not just numbers, one person at a time.
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           Focus on transformation 
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           Avoid the vanity metrics that can cloud our vision. Instead, let’s focus on transformation. The heart of digital ministry lies in making a genuine impact. Each interaction is an opportunity to touch a life and guide someone closer to Christ.
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           Building authentic community
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           Creating a sense of community online can be a challenge, but it's essential. How can we foster relationships in a digitally? Consider these steps:
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            Encourage sharing and interaction within your online platforms.
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            Host regular live sessions where people can engage and ask questions.
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            Use social media to create discussion groups and prayer chains.
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           These efforts create a supportive, uplifting community that reflects the essence of the church and our vision for theChurch.digital
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           keep making an impact 
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           Remember, the journey of faith is deeply personal and unique for each individual. Each person’s experience is unique, and our role in digital ministry is to guide them. Our role in digital ministry is to guide them. Make an impact, one person at a time, and celebrate each small victory.
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      <title>Building Connections in a Digital World</title>
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      <description>Digital discipleship transforms how we connect, focusing on defining real friendships and spiritual growth rather than just information-sharing. Using platforms from gaming to social media, it creates spaces for deep, faith-centered relationships that thrive on authentic interactions.</description>
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            How do we come to terms with the idea of digital discipleship?
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           Today’s digital world is revolutionizing discipleship. We’re seeing digital discipleship become essential for how we connect, learn, and grow in faith.
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           So what Is digital discipleship?
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           Digital discipleship is about using digital tools to disciple others. But it’s not just info-sharing; it’s about sparking relationships that grow faith and build community. At the heart of discipleship is friendship—the soil where it thrives.
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           Why friendship matters
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           People often say discipleship works best in community. But the truth? It’s strongest in friendship. Relationships without friendship can be experienced as shallow, but true discipleship means caring about someone’s growth and well-being. Jesus showed us the need for this, calling his disciples friends, not servants.
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           Friendship in digital spaces
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           Friendship creates deeper connections and real conversations. Discipleship isn’t about lecturing; it’s about walking with others in their faith journey. Digital spaces offer surprising potential for friendship, whether through gaming, social media, or messaging apps.
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           Platforms for digital discipleship
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           Digital opens up endless spaces for friendship-based discipleship:
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            Gaming: Games like Fortnite and Minecraft bring people together to chat, collaborate, and build friendships that pave the way for discipleship.
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            Social media: Platforms like Instagram and Facebook are community hubs to share faith wins, struggles, and daily life.
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            Messaging apps: With apps like Whatsapp and Discord, people can keep up with prayer requests, share biblical insights, and have ongoing conversations.
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           Building friendships online
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           Digital discipleship is more than follower counts. True impact requires friendship. Here’s how:
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            Engage authentically: Share your real life—the wins, losses, and struggles. People connect with authenticity.
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            Be available: Make time for conversations and respond to DMs. Show you care.
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            Create shared experiences: Host virtual events, Bible studies, or prayer meetings to build community.
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           The role of communication in digital discipleship
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           Great communication drives strong relationships, especially online. Here’s how to keep it real:
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            Mix formats: Use text, video, and audio to keep conversations going. Youtube and podcasts are great for deeper dives and hanging out.
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            Encourage feedback: Let people share their thoughts openly.
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            Be consistent: Regular check-ins show you are genuinely invested in the friendships.
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           Expanding your reach
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           Digital discipleship isn’t just local; it’s global. Use these strategies to reach more:
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            Social media: Share content across platforms and encourage others to spread it.
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            Collaborate with other ministries: Partner with churches or groups to boost reach.
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            Create shareable content: Infographics, videos, and blog posts let others share your message easily.
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           The future of discipleship
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           As culture shifts, discipleship must adapt. Digital discipleship lets us connect and grow in ways we never could before. When we prioritize friendship and lean into digital tools, we create discipleship experiences that go beyond our physical boundaries.
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           Feeling called to plant a church online? Check out what’s possible with theChurch.digital.
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      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 15:38:57 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/building-connections-in-a-digital-world</guid>
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      <title>Discipleship in Digital Spaces</title>
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      <description>Digital spaces are now essential places for connection, offering unique opportunities for digital missionaries to share the gospel and disciple others. We’ll look at how to engage intentionally online through building relationships, hosting virtual events, and sparking deeper faith conversations.</description>
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           Have you noticed how much life happens online? 
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           Digital spaces are where people connect, learn, and live—making digital missionaries essential. The need for the gospel and discipleship is just as strong online as it is offline. A digital missionary’s calling is to share the gospel and build real, lasting relationships across digital spaces.
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           Life is happening in digital spaces
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           Communities are changing, and connection methods are evolving. While small groups and life groups remain pillars, online spaces are becoming primary meeting places. Today, digital spaces aren’t just where people go; they’re where life happens for many.
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           This shift opens overlooked opportunities for ministry. By engaging digitally, we reach those who aren’t comfortable with face-to-face spiritual talks. The calling to make disciples isn’t bound by walls. It flows into the digital and virtual arenas where people connect today.
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           Digital engagement: discipleship’s new frontier
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           People often find it easier to ask spiritual questions online than face-to-face. This openness in digital spaces can spark deeper conversations and connections that simply don’t happen elsewhere. Digital spaces offer a safe place where people can explore faith in new ways.
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           But discipleship isn’t just about answering questions—it’s about building relationships that last. These conversations create foundations for discipleship. When God hands us digital opportunities to share the gospel, why would we ignore them?
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           As we move through the digital world, opportunities to share the gospel multiply. Here’s how to take action as a digital missionary:
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            Join online communities: Find groups that share your values. Engage and be open to faith conversations.
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            Use social media: Share your story, scripture, and insights. Social media has serious power for outreach.
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            Host virtual events: Run online Bible studies or discussions where people can explore faith in a relaxed way.
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            Be open to questions: Stay accessible for people with faith questions. Your presence makes a real impact.
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           Building relationships online needs intentionality. Approach interactions with care and authenticity. Here’s how to build meaningful connections:
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            Ask open-ended questions: Go deeper and encourage reflection.
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            Share your journey: Be real about your faith story. Personal experiences resonate and connect.
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            Follow up: When someone shows interest in faith, reach out again. Show genuine care for their journey.
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           The call to discipleship doesn’t stop at the church doors
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           Our discipleship calling doesn’t change in digital spaces. We’re here to share the gospel, make disciples, and build Christ-centered relationships. Digital missionaries leverage today’s tools and platforms to keep this mission alive.
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           Every interaction online is a chance to show Christ’s love. From a simple comment to an in-depth conversation, we lead others to Christ in countless ways.
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           Conclusion: the digital missionary’s moment
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           Digital missionaries are more crucial than ever. Life happens online. The chance to share the gospel and disciple others is here—no walls needed. Engage deeply, build real relationships, share your faith. Fulfill your calling in the digital mission field.
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            Called to plant a digital church? Looking for resources on digital discipleship? Visit
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      <title>Beyond Boundaries: Embracing the Digital Mission Field</title>
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      <description>Digital missionaries are redefining missions outreach by using technology to engage in disciple-making across online platforms. As digital spaces become mission fields, anyone can fulfill a calling without leaving their community. Through mentorship and intentional outreach, these pioneers build impactful connections that extend beyond traditional church walls.</description>
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           What if the mission field that matters most today has no walls?
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           In a world that’s moving fast, digital missionaries are more essential than ever, stepping into spaces no one thought of as mission fields. Let’s unpacks the idea of a digital calling, showing how anyone can make an impact without leaving their community, using digital platforms as new mission fields.
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           Unpacking digital missionaries
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           The term ‘digital missionary’ might sound new, but its purpose isn’t. The call to share the gospel drives digital missionaries to meet people wherever they gather online. Using technology and digital platforms, digital missionaries share Christ, connect with communities, and make disciples.
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           Today’s digital missionary shows up on the platforms that others often miss—social media, gaming spaces, even virtual churches. It’s about showing up where people are, which in our time, is often online.
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           Forget four walls. Our mission field’s global now, and digital missionaries don’t need a building to reach people. Instead of only focusing on local outreach, we can engage with people across the globe. Just like Paul journeyed to different cities to share the gospel, today’s digital missionaries reach diverse audiences through online presence.
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           Missionaries don’t need to go overseas to make an impact
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           Today, being a missionary doesn’t require a passport—just a phone, a wifi connection, and the courage to engage with people, wherever they’re gathering. Many feel called to their own communities, connecting with friends, neighbors, and even strangers online.
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           Imagine this: your social media profile isn’t just a feed; it’s an open door for sharing hope, encouragement, and the message of Jesus. By sharing personal stories or posting scripture, you can impact someone on the other side of the world.
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           This digital calling goes beyond borders, fulfilling the Great Commission without leaving home. We can be effective witnesses in our circles and beyond, building relationships that lead to spiritual growth.
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           Church planting is like parenting—different expressions, same core values
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           Planting a church? Think of it like parenting—each church expression might look different, but they share the same heartbeat: building relationships that lead to transformation. Just as parents want their kids to carry their values while growing as individuals, new church plants embody core biblical values that resonate with unique communities.
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           The goal? Create places where people can encounter God, no matter the format.
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           Calling: supernatural and relational
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           Calling is about hearing God’s voice, but often, it’s through relationships and simple moments of connection where we see our purpose.
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           While some may experience big moments that lead them to their mission, others find clarity in everyday relationships. This relational side is crucial; by being present with people, we often see the needs we’re called to meet.
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           Just as Jesus called His disciples through personal connection, we too can see our purpose through relationships. When we invest time in others, we find unexpected opportunities to serve and share the gospel.
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           Not everyone is meant to be a pioneer
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           Pioneering is one part of the mission field, but it’s the whole church working together that makes an impact. Many people serve best when they operate in their unique gifts. Some of us are here to support, teach, or encourage. Recognizing these diverse roles is vital for the health of the church.
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           Just like a family works best when each person plays their part, the church thrives when every member contributes. We’re not all called to lead, but each of us has something unique to offer to the mission.
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           How virtual church connects people globally
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           Virtual church has opened new doors for connection, bridging geographical gaps to create a global fellowship of believers who worship and grow together.
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           Through online platforms, believers can gather and foster community from anywhere in the world. Picture a small group on Zoom, with people from different countries sharing insights and experiences. This global connection strengthens the body of Christ, where diverse perspectives deepen our understanding of faith.
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           Digital missionaries play a crucial role in building these connections, ensuring that everyone feels valued in this global community.
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           Reflecting on calling
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           In our fast-paced world, it can be challenging for individuals to pause, but it’s vital to help us recognize our calling and hear where God is leading. Reflection is essential for spiritual growth and clarity of purpose.
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           Mentorship and discipleship are practical ways to create these moments. By holding space for conversations, we help others explore their gifts, passions, and God’s unique calling in their lives.
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           Whether in one-on-one chats or small groups, fostering encouragement and support can lead to powerful realizations about purpose.
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           Resisting God’s calling often leads to inner conflict
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           Many of us know that uneasy feeling when we resist something God is calling us to do. Ignoring that call can lead to a tension between our own plans and His purpose.
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           Proverbs 3:5-6
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           “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.”
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            When we trust in God’s calling, we find peace and direction, but resisting it often leads to confusion.
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           Are you confident your mission is biblical and Spirit-filled?
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           As digital missionaries, it’s crucial to ensure that our mission is rooted in biblical principles and empowered by the Holy Spirit. This means taking time to seek guidance through prayer, studying scripture, and engaging with wise counsel. It's essential to ask ourselves: Are we sharing the gospel in a way that reflects God’s love and truth?
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           When we embark on our digital calling, we should evaluate our intentions. Are we motivated by a desire to see lives transformed, or are we merely seeking validation or popularity? Our mission should be about connecting people to Christ, not just filling our platforms with content.
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           Equip, mobilize, and mentor individuals in digital ministry
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           At the heart of digital ministry is a call to equip, mobilize, and mentor others in digital ministry. This involves creating supportive communities where people can learn, grow, and share their gifts. By fostering an environment of collaboration and encouragement, we can help each other fulfill our unique callings.
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           Mentorship plays a big role here. Experienced digital missionaries can guide newcomers, providing insights and practical tools for online ministry. It’s about building relationships that empower others to step into their calling and impact their communities effectively.
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           Reaching diverse groups through specific platforms like Whatsapp or Discord
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           Digital platforms offer unique ways to connect with different demographics. Platforms like Whatsapp and Discord allow us to meet people where they are. Each platform has its culture, and with a tailored approach, we can use each to reach specific audiences.
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           Whatsapp: Ideal for one-on-one discipleship and personal conversations.
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           Discord: Originally a gamer’s space, it’s now a community hub where people can gather for fellowship, study, and encouragement.
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           By understanding each platform’s culture, we engage with people authentically, sharing the gospel and building real connections. It’s not just about the technology; it’s about the people on the other side of the screen.
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           Don’t let the critics get to you
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           There will always be people who don’t get it. Surround yourself with others on this journey who see the value in what you do and encourage you to stay the course. Your calling is valid, and the impact of your work will speak for itself.
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           Challenges will come. But remember
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      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:01:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/beyond-boundaries-embracing-the-digital-mission-field</guid>
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      <title>Privacy in Digital Ministry: Building Trust in Online Spaces</title>
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      <description>Privacy should be a non-negotiable in digital ministry. As faith move online, digital leaders must create spaces where personal stories stay safe. This isn’t about tech alone—it's about trust. By setting clear boundaries, asking permission, and leading vigilantly, we make room for real connection and digital discipleship.</description>
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           Can digital ministry truly protect privacy—every click, every prayer request?
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           The shift to digital faith spaces
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           As faith conversations move online, we can’t ignore the personal information being shared or the need for real boundaries. 
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           Privacy goes beyond VPNs and ad-blockers—it’s relational. Digital ministry means building trust and creating spaces where people feel safe to share, knowing their stories and concerns stay private.
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           Setting privacy standards that matter
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           Creating a safe digital space means being upfront about how personal information will be handled. Platforms like Discord, WhatsApp, and others are powerful for community but come with privacy risks. Here are three principles to make privacy in digital discipleship real:
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            : Be clear about the platforms used, how data will be stored, and who can access it. Whether in a small group or one-on-one setting, let participants know about any recordings and give them the chance to opt out if they’re uncomfortable. Radical transparency is foundational to trust.
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            : Never assume consent. Get explicit permission before sharing personal stories, prayer requests, or contact information. What feels safe for some might feel risky to others. Always ask before sharing someone else’s story, especially in public forums or live streams. Let people set their own boundaries—this reinforces dignity and respect.
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            : Good leaders protect privacy in every digital interaction. Whether leading a Bible study, gaming group, or prayer session, leaders should moderate conversations closely, watching for moments when privacy might be compromised. If sensitive issues arise, move to a private message or an encrypted platform. Vigilant leadership keeps spaces safe and respectful.
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           Creating safe spaces for growth
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           Digital discipleship should be a place where people can grow, connect, and share without fear. To make this a reality, we need transparency, clear boundaries, and strong leadership that honors the trust of those we serve.
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           As digital ministry evolves, let’s keep privacy and respect central—protecting each person’s dignity and building connections that go deep. In a world where privacy feels rare, we have a unique opportunity to offer something safe, something real. 
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           Together, let’s create digital spaces where people feel secure and valued on their journey of faith.
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           Don’t hear me wrong. Social media is vital! Social media is good at connecting with people. But its weakness is community. To understand this challenge, ask yourself: Is it better to have a million-person church or 100 000 churches of 10 people? 
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           If you hang around me long enough, you’ve heard me ask this question. There is no right or wrong answer, although I certainly have my opinion. In our context, one million followers on social media create a powerful but unwieldy account. It struggles to be relational. 
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           Yes, influence does happen, as two million eyeballs are glued to your account. But who are these people? Social media, like broadcasting church services online, is outstanding for connecting with people. Let them get a taste of who you are. 
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           But social media is not good at building long-lasting relationships. That’s not a knock on digital, but it is as much a limitation on how social media platforms are designed. Relationships can be built digitally! As effective as physically? That’s a conversation for a different day.
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           .) Maybe I should take the sentence back. Perhaps I should add a descriptive word to the sentence. 
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           What about “Social media is not a healthy digital community”? Is “authentic” better? “Stable”? What about an asterisk on the sentence and say that some people can operate social media like a digital community? 
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           No. Let’s let it stand as is. Social media is not digital community. That’s not to discredit digital community. I have spent years… decades… developing digital communities. My first online community, eBeliever.com, launched in April 2000 and peaked at nearly 40 000 users. 
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           We were doing Christian Facebook before Facebook was doing Facebook. I know and love digital community. But, if I’m honest, social media is the antithesis of a digital community. Sadly, the average church leader, the average person for that matter, doesn’t recognize this. 
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           The evils of social media darken the potential of digital community in ministry. If social media is your definition of digital community, you’ve never experienced digital community.
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            Digital community: In response, let’s consider digital community as more of an interest-based platform. Discord, Slack, Reddit, or Facebook groups. There are also paid options like Circle, Kajabi, or Mighty Networks. These platforms make it easy for an audience to engage in relational conversation digitally.
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           Social media typically has an individual, an influencer, an organization… someone starting a post. Social media is a virtual megaphone that broadcasts for the account holder. And, if the algorithms work in your favor, your audience will hopefully attach an emoji or even a comment on that post. 
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           Social media audiences reply to posts that you as the individual start. That’s not community. The audience cannot quickly ask you questions on social media. Yes, your social media audience can interact with you. But don’t be fooled. There’s a difference between interacting and community, even in digital space. 
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           The simplicity of social media interaction filters out the community component. For a community to exist two-way conversations must be prevalent. Without mutual interaction, is there really a community? There is communication, yes. But community? No. Can your audience interact with you on social media? 
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           Do you mean aside from emojis? Sure. But suppose you’ve ever been part of an active digital community on Discord, or a WhatsApp group. In that case, you will know the difference between social media’s digital communication and a dynamic digital community.
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           In that same vein, social media seeks a mic-drop statement, a powerful quote, or a memorable line. Something to catch an audience's attention and drive them to do something (like click that thumbs-up emoji, maybe even subscribe to your channel). 
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           This is necessary and helpful in some ways. But digital community is all about fostering dialogue. The strength of digital community is not getting to where you convince your audience you’re right but creating a digital environment that allows people to express themselves and their opinions.
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           In a similar vein, social media tends to be egotistical. Okay, egotistical is too strong a word. Social media emphasizes the centrality of self, dare I say “glorifying” self? Digital communities that do well are the opposite of egotistical. Healthy digital communities are driven by humility. They’re more interested in developing relationships than being right.
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           The focus on self in social media may be entirely unintentional. To call social media “narcissistic” is probably too strong a word, but it may be in the ballpark. Self-absorbed? Self-obsessed? Intentions can be perfect for the people running social media accounts. 
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           The feature sets on social media make it challenging to succeed and not come across as arrogant or vain. While social media struggles to create authentic communities, effective digital communities create opportunities for others to speak, moderate, and essentially take ownership. 
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           While social media accounts depend on a social media manager and a team of creatives, digital communities depend on people from your audience who are passionate about helping others from your audience. Digital communities often depend on volunteer roles and allow for permissions where people can take responsibility for administration within the community. 
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           Suppose you have one million followers on IG. Well, first off, congratulations. That’s awesome. But, other than one million IG handles you don’t have much information. Social media accounts are designed to get as many followers as possible. Grow accounts to a massive size. 
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           So, while social media normalizes or generalizes individuals, digital community gives an opportunity to nuance its audience, to discover more about who they are, and even give them a platform to speak. Digital community operates best at the nuanced level. 
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           Dig into the minutia. What are their interests? Can they relate with others in your community? Connect those people. Social media grows by adding social media followers one by one to their accounts, but digital communities succeed by multiplying smaller, more relational communities.
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           So wait, you don’t want us to have a million followers on IG? Not saying that at all. I’d love to have a million followers on IG (although I’d prefer a million subscribers on YouTube, but beggars can’t be choosers). 
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           As we said, social media, like church online services, are great at connecting with people. Social media has a phenomenal reach. When social media works you’re connecting with people from all over the world. 
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           And, once you understand how the algorithms work, you’ll find yourself growing your followers and subscribers quickly - the same thing with a podcast audience, or an online movie, or even a book. 
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           There are many ways to connect with people digitally, but ask yourself the question: Am I able to build relationships through this connection method?
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           If the answer is no then the goal is to start to figure out how to move your social media following to a digital community. Once you get people in your digital community, you can:
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            Utilize the digital community to establish trust.
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           So, what do you think? Do you love the idea? Hate it? Either way, I want to talk with you about it. Go ahead and jump into theChurch.digital’s Discord (
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           ) or our WhatsApp (
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           ) digital community. You can find me there, and tell me what you think. See you there.
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      <title>What Exactly Is a Digital Missionary?</title>
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      <description>Digital missionaries use online platforms like WhatsApp, TikTok, and YouTube to share the Gospel with those who may be distant from traditional church settings. As trust in church buildings and pastors declines, many now turn to digital tools for spiritual guidance. Platforms like theChurch.digital support these missionaries by validating, equipping, and mobilizing them for their unique digital ministry, helping them connect with people globally and multiply their efforts for Christ’s Kingdom.</description>
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           The Potential of a Digital Missionary
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           One of the largest unreached people groups in the world today can be found digitally. The stats surrounding digital usage globally are astounding: There are over 2 billion active users globally on WhatsApp, 2.5 billion active users on YouTube, and 1.6 billion active users on TikTok, as controversial as it is. It’s not just the US that is engaging on digital platforms. 
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           The world has access to smartphones and knows how to use them. This begs the question: What does the Great Commission look like digitally? To answer that question, let’s consider the idea of a digital missionary.
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           What is a Digital Missionary?
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           A digital missionary uses digital tools to represent the Gospel of Christ to those who are cold to the idea of Christ. Practically speaking, digital missionaries can take many different forms. 
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            Let’s start with an evangelist, someone actively sharing Jesus on social media or in the metaverse…
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            To a disciple-maker actively discipling people relationally using tools like WhatsApp or Google Meet…
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            To a Church Planter operating an ecclesiological-grounded church on platforms like Twitch and Discord…
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            To a TikTok Influencer who wants to use her digital influence to connect thousands to Christ…
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            To your Grandmother who wants to use digital media to influence her out-of-state grandchildren and show them the love of Christ…
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           Whether you’re a futurist/techno-genius or a newbie/Luddite, you can be a digital missionary. Everyone is a digital missionary in their own right… Some use their digital influence to push a political agenda, to show their affiliation with their sports team… or to brag about what’s happening with their kids. Have you ever considered using that influence for Christ?
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           The average American spends over 4.5 hours a day on their smartphone. Could you imagine if we spent even a fraction of that daily for the Kingdom?
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           Why are Digital Missionaries Necessary?
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           Here’s a reality: Our church buildings, and even our pastors, are losing influence. In the 1980s and 90s, church buildings had a lot of evangelical power. When people had spiritual questions, they would find the closest church building and make an appointment to talk to a pastor.
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            Well, times have changed. Over the past 25 years, the American church has lost 25% of active attendees. People do not view the church or the pastor as a spiritual stronghold. We can discuss why, but people do not trust the church culturally.
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           Barna reported on this back in 2021: When people cold to Christ have spiritual questions, they: go to Google/YouTube to find the answers to those spiritual questions or go to their friends (who they trust) to get spiritual advice. These stats are very telling… people cold to Christ trust digital technology (Google) more than a pastor, and they are typically comfortable talking with their friends.
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           Francis Chan says, “Evangelism in the future will happen in living rooms and homes, not in cathedrals or temples.” And he’s right. Our church buildings serve a purpose, but (in today’s culture) sharing Jesus from a pulpit is losing its effectiveness.
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           Who is a Digital Missionary?
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           But Francis’ quote isn’t just about the building; it’s about the people. Non-pastors have the Holy Spirit, too! The same spiritual power is present in the megachurch pastor as in that soccer mom. Soccer moms have digital influence, as do college students… Even your grandmother has digital influence!
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            Here with theChurch.digital, we’re seeing an exciting trend… People not in the “organized church” world want to do ministry. There was a time when I thought I had to get a paycheck from a church to do ministry. Honestly, I fought for years to get on a church staff.
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           It was borderline unhealthy if I’m honest. And, not to discredit my church staff experience, I did do ministry. I ministered to people. But, in the totality of my 15-20 years of church staff, in my story, I’m not sure how many disciples I made in that space.
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           Ordinary people can do ministry, too! The seminary degree can help, but it’s not necessary. Jesus’ disciples were mostly uneducated blue-collar workers. They were ordinary people. What is stopping you from doing ministry? Here at theChurch.digital, we call you NORMIES! How do we get normal people like you to recognize what God is calling you to do and do it?
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           Supporting Digital Missionary work.
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            That’s really the challenge? Recognizing and supporting calling. This happens all the time in churches. Albeit the calling often goes in line with ministry that’s happening in the church building space. A good friend of mine (a volunteer named Charlie) told me he had a calling to be a video director for the church.
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           He was a financial wizard and very good at his job, but he could work a video switcher like it was a musical instrument… it truly was beautiful. As a pastor at the church, I supported the calling to help Charlie fulfill that calling.
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           But, if I’m honest, Charlie’s calling aligned with my goals of getting volunteers to serve at the church service. When people in the church came to me with other callings, to be honest, I was usually not that excited unless it simplified my life. Maybe I would give a positive feedback or a quick verbal encouragement, but I would never invest my time in an idea unless it impacted me positively.
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           We see this mindset regularly with digital missionaries. Most digital missionaries today get little to no support from their church or pastors. Ironically, their spouses and friends often struggle to support them, mainly because, having never seen a digital missionary before, those close to the missionary don’t know how to support this unique call. This is the challenge of digital calling and the reason theChurch.digital exists.
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           theChurch.digital serves the digital missionary in three different capacities:
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           1. We validate the calling—having had over 600 conversations with digital missionaries and church planters, very few ideas are “new.” Remember Ecclesiastes, “There’s nothing new under the sun”? This even applies to digital missionary work! The truth is that words like “innovation” and “church” rarely go together, and we step into the gap by encouraging digital missionaries and church planters to think ecclesiologically with an eye toward multiplication.
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           2. We equip for the calling—through our content, community, and cohorts, we aggressively create resources to help empower digital missionaries in their unique context. We don’t provide step-by-step recipes for people to follow. Digital missionaries need to understand contextualization to be successful. Instead, we offer a simple framework that can be applied in any digital missionary context. As a result, we are equipping the next generation of digital missionaries for whatever unique context their calling takes them.
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           3. We mobilize for the calling—realizing that innovative ministry is more than consuming content, we created Outposts. We send digital missionaries into their unique context but group them up with others in similar spaces. These Outposts encourage and empower digital missionaries while giving them a safe space to explore and experiment with new ideas and techniques within their platform and calling. 
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           4. Mobilizing into multiplying—Mobilizing into these unique groups gives hands-on accountability for these missionaries to hold to their calling and even to invest this calling in others. A digital missionary needs to multiply with other missionaries. Someone who participates in an Outpost is just an Outpost leader waiting to mature. In I Corinthians, Paul speaks of “milk” and “solid food.” Accountability is required for these ideas to multiply into others, even applying to digital missionaries.
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           Why are we doing this? What’s the goal? To reach people for Christ. Will a digital missionary connect with everyone? Should we abandon physical ministry or location-based missionaries and only do a digital model? Of course not! Digital is not for everyone. But, there is no doubt that culture is trending increasingly in the digital world. It’s not for everyone, but it’s worth connecting with those who will. Today, you’ll connect with enough people to make it worthwhile.
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      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/what-exactly-is-a-digital-missionary</guid>
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      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/digital-missionaries-and-the-future-of-thechurch-digital</link>
      <description>theChurch.digital is evolving into a digital mission-sending agency, equipping everyday people to become digital missionaries in their unique online contexts. With the concept of Platforms as Places, the organization views platforms like TikTok and YouTube as mission fields and will train digital missionaries through a new 13-week course launching in 2025. Outposts will further support and empower these missionaries, fostering encouragement, exploration, experimentation, and collaboration across digital spaces.</description>
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           This past week, we unveiled the ninth version of theChurch.digital. Since I acquired the domain name in February 2018, theChurch.digital has been on a journey of constant growth, evolution, and the navigation of God's opportunities. On Thursday, September 12, 2024, at our inaugural Town Hall meeting on Discord, we made a significant announcement. We are transitioning into a digital mission-sending agency.
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            First of its kind, theChurch.digital will empower normies… ordinary, everyday people… with the Gospel and equip them with the understanding to be digital missionaries in their unique contexts.
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            Since pre-Covid, we have been working with digital-only expressions of church, which is not changing. theChurch.digital can still resource digital church planting through the digital missionary framework approach, and we will still champion digital and metaverse church planting.
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           However, our move to a digital mission-sending agency opens up a much larger ministry opportunity as we are now working with digital evangelists, disciple-makers, church planters, community builders, influencers, futurists, programmers, developers… essentially anyone who is a Christian and knows how to use a digital device has the potential to become a digital missionary. We want to empower them to reach “platforms” and “places.”
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           As we explored the idea of digital missions and started conversing with potential digital missionaries, an exciting question started: Can I be called to a digital platform? The concept of digital “calling” brought us to revisit an older philosophy Jason Morris discussed and promoted during the Covid season: Platforms as Places. Jason, theChurch.digital’s director of Equipping &amp;amp; Mobilization theorized during the Covid season that platforms like Twitch, Discord, Virtual Reality, and Facebook operated almost like Places.
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           hat being said, theChurch.digital looks at platforms like TikTok, WhatsApp, and YouTube in the same way that global missions organizations look at places like India, Korea, and Argentina. We will equip digital missionaries with digital missiology and mobilize them with opportunities to do ministry digitally.
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           In the coming weeks, theChurch.digital will publicly define Platforms as Places, as well as the other features that define our digital missiology.
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            To make the training more accessible, theChurch.digital is developing an online course, Equipping Digital Missionaries. Officially launching in early 2025, this will be a 13-week course including over 50 videos designed to give digital missionaries a framework of digital missions that they can contextualize.
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            The goal of theChurch.digital’s Equipping Digital Missionaries course will be to give participants a foundation of theological and tactical training. Upon completion, missionaries will be mobilized into outposts further to explore the technical aspects of their digital calling. For more information on the Equipping Digital Missionaries course, swing over to
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            TheChurch.digital is establishing outposts in different platforms and different places. Simply, outposts are a group of digital missionaries who share similar characteristics, whether they are wanting to 1) utilize the same platform or similar strategy or 2) reach a similar culture or context.
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           Outposts are the heart of theChurch.digital. Grouping similar digital missionaries provides an exciting opportunity. Outposts exist to encourage, explore, experiment, and empower digital missionaries:
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            : Outposts are a group of people dedicated to the idea of kingdom over castle. Outpost leaders are not concerned with their own ministry, but run the outpost towards the idea of multiplying other digital missionaries. Operating as friends on mission, they are not driven or motivated by theological alignment as much as aligning to reach people in their unique contexts and collaborate to make that happen. 
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           While digital missionaries are a new focus for theChurch.digital, empowering bi-vocational people to do ministry digitally has always been at the heart of theChurch.digital. Excitement doesn’t even start to describe our emotions as we move forward with a clear purpose of equipping and mobilizing normies for kingdom purpose.
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      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/digital-missionaries-and-the-future-of-thechurch-digital</guid>
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      <description>Explore the latest digital ministry trends with theChurch.digital podcast! Discover online care strategies, battle compassion fatigue, and learn from the top innovative churches. Equip yourself with tools and insights to revolutionize your online community outreach.</description>
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           Summer is over and school has started for almost every school-aged child. As families have been busy getting ready for the new school year there has been a lot going on in the digital and online ministry space.
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      <title>Investing in Apprentices</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/investing-in-apprentices</link>
      <description>Looking to take your ministry to the next level? Check out a few practical steps to help you connect with others, learn new strategies, and grow your impact online. Whether you're looking for tips, support, or fresh ideas, you'll find everything you need to make your ministry more effective and reach more people. Perfect for anyone eager to make a difference!</description>
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      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/investing-in-apprentices</guid>
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      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/how-to-share-your-church-s-mission-through-digital-communications</link>
      <description>Transform your church's reach by leveraging digital channels like your website, social media, and email to share your mission boldly. Utilize dynamic tools like podcasts, mobile apps, and YouTube to create engaging, mission-focused content that disrupts the norm and unites your community.</description>
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           By intentionally incorporating your church's mission across these digital channels, you can create a cohesive online presence that continually reminds your church and community of your mission and invite others to join. Create interactive and engaging experiences that allow people to engage with and live out that mission in their daily lives.
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      <description>Whether you're leading a traditional or digital ministry, leveraging tech tools like social media platforms, video conferencing, and church management software revolutionizes effectiveness and impact. But the most important is to remember the heart behind ministry.</description>
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           These tools highlighted above are a great core to help you get going in your digital and online ministry. While having these tools are great, it's important to remember that having a heart for this ministry is most important. It's a calling to serve the online community God has put on your heart that will help you through all the ups and downs of ministry. Use these tools but also continue to seek God and His guidance for clear direction and how you can use these tools to minister. 
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      <description>The digital ministry scene is buzzing with activity. Here are the latest trends in social media, live streaming, and digital disciple-making to help strengthen your online ministry. Key insights from July 2024 include the power of authenticity, tips to avoid burnout and the potential of unconventional spaces like bars for disciple-making.</description>
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           The summer is almost over and school is getting ready to get started. That means last minute travel plans, back to school preparation and fall sports getting ready to start. With all the activities and events left to do this summer, there is still a lot happening in the digital and online ministry space.
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      <title>Should Your Church Be Using Threads - July 2024 Update</title>
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      <description>Can Threads be a new avenue for reaching people for Jesus? Well it's essential to consider several factors. This is revealed by asking the right questions about your audience, content type and engagement rate.</description>
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           In July 2023 Meta launched Threads. Threads is the latest Twitter/X "rival" that is primarily text-based and provides a way for people to engage unlike Meta's other platforms, Facebook and Instagram. 
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           Since it's launch, Threads has experienced ups and downs in terms of user engagement. Initially, with Meta's backing, it saw rapid growth. However, user activity fluctuated in the months following. Meta has continued to develop the platform, adding new features and working on integration with the broader "fediverse" of decentralized social networks.
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           Ever since Threads launched, the question many church social media managers have asked the question, "should we be using Threads to reach people for Christ?" Here are some things to consider as you process whether or not your church should be using Threads. 
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           While Threads is a new player on social media platforms, there are still possibilities for your church to use it. However, in order for you to be effective on the platform, you have to determine if it is right for you. Answer the questions above and find out!
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      <description>Leveraging Artificial Intelligence (AI) can redefine your church's social media presence by generating fast and engaging content, providing instant responses through chatbots, and offering data-driven insights to improve your strategy. These tools ensure consistent, timely, and diverse interactions, breaking down language barriers and building a global community.</description>
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      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/overcoming-the-scrutiny-of-digital-meta-churches-let-s-multiply-disciples</link>
      <description>Focus on the strengths and opportunities of digital discipleship rather than the controversies. Digital churches excel in relational disciple-making and multiplying followers of Jesus, unlike traditional methods. Explore digital ministry, bypass the naysayers, and advance with those ready for this visionary approach.</description>
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           Planting a digital-only/metaverse church is a controversial proposition. We've all had those conversations. Frustrating just begins to describe them. To oversimplify the problem, digital and meta church supporters can have conversations all day long with the naysayers, but the reality is that we are likely not to change minds. Lots of people, for whatever reason, are stubbornly, aggressively stuck in physical mindsets.
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           I know this has come at me at a personal level in recent weeks. Like you, I'm sure, a lot of what I've done in recent months has come under scrutiny, and it's led me to the place where I'm really done trying to convince the naysayers. Maybe one of you can take over that job. For me, I'm far more interested in going with the goers and watching success happen with them.
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           Let someone else fight the battles. As churches, as pastors, I feel this is a distraction. It's one of the reasons we set out to create this network... to limit those types of distractions. Instead, let's do the one thing that today's US church struggles to do, but God calls us clearly to: Multiply.
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      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/overcoming-the-scrutiny-of-digital-meta-churches-let-s-multiply-disciples</guid>
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      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/the-power-of-authenticity</link>
      <description>Discover how being authentic on social media during Covid has resonated deeply with audiences, and how to implement strategies for leveraging this authenticity to reach more people. Find powerful insights on expanding your reach, and explore resources like the Digital Bootcamp, coaching, and the Sidekick Scoop for comprehensive guidance in digital ministry.</description>
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           These digital approaches allow ministers to maintain connection, provide spiritual nourishment, and foster community engagement even when people may be traveling or have varied summer schedules.
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      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/how-to-avoid-burnout-as-a-digital-minister</link>
      <description>Burnout is rampant among those in ministry, especially in the relentless digital world where it's hard to fully disengage. Practicing self-care, setting clear boundaries, and building a supportive community are key to sustaining long-term digital ministry.</description>
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           Burnout is not something new to ministers. Even before the Covid pandemic happened, ministers burned out at high rates. However, since Covid that burnout has continued to impact ministry leaders. And, for digital ministers, that rate is high since there is never a time you can be "off." Sure, you can take time off but in the digital world we live in, it's hard to fully disengage.
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           So how do you stay refreshed and effective without burning out? Here are some strategies to help.
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           Set boundaries.
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            Consider taking regular breaks from social media and online platforms as a 'digital Sabbath.' It could be a day or even just a few hours of intentional offline time – this can help reset your mind and spirit. You don't need to be online all the time.
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            Don't let your personal relationship with God become just another task on your to-do list. Set aside time for prayer, Bible study, and quiet reflection that's separate from your ministry work. The more you invest in your own spiritual life, the more you will have to give to others as you minster to them.
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            As with all ministry, digital ministry can sometimes feel like shouting into the void. Take time to acknowledge and celebrate the impact you're making, no matter how small it may seem. The more you celebrate the small victories, the encouragement and hope you can have knowing you are making a difference. 
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           In today's world, digital ministry has become an essential part of spreading the hope and good news of Christ to the ends of the earth. However, the 24/7 nature of online connection and engagement can quickly lead to burnout if we're not careful. As digital ministers, it's crucial to practice self-care to maintain our spiritual, emotional, and physical health. Make sure you invest in yourself, be part of an encouraging community of other ministers and celebrate ministry victories to ensure you stay in digital ministry long-term.
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      <description>Amid the Covid pandemic, reaching and guiding the younger generation demands innovative tactics, and Tiktok (now wildly popular since 2020) presents a game-changing opportunity for digital disciple-making. Let's leverage Tiktok to transform everyday moments into powerful spiritual opportunities and engage with younger people in ways they’ve maybe never experienced before, sparking spiritual growth in unexpected places.</description>
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           Since the beginning of the Covid pandemic, reaching and discipling the younger generation requires new and innovative approaches. At the same time, since the beginning of Covid in 2020, TikTok has become increasingly popular. TikTok is a short-form video platform that has captivated millions of people worldwide. 
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           While it might seem an unlikely tool for ministry, TikTok offers unique opportunities for digital discipleship. Here's how you can leverage it to spread the hope found in Christ, and disciple.
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            With TikTok's brief video format, you can create concise, engaging explanations of Bible verses or theological concepts. Use creative visuals, text overlays, and relatable examples to make complex ideas accessible and memorable.
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           There are lots of tools to help you and your church's digital discipleship efforts. TikTok should be included in it as it is a great place to meet young people where they are and to encourage spiritual growth in innovative ways. While it shouldn't replace all other discipleship methods, TikTok can serve as a powerful tool, reaching those who might never set foot in a church building. Try using it and see how God uses it to help reach more people for Christ.
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      <description>Discover how theChurch.digital is revolutionizing the way we think about digital ministry and disciple-making! We're all about multiplying the gospel in every digital and metaverse space, helping ordinary people become extraordinary leaders. Join us to explore how to make disciples who grow into leaders, plant churches, start networks, and spark unstoppable movements. Ready to get involved in transforming the digital faith scene? Then this is for you.</description>
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           We personally started theChurch.digital because of a simple idea: We wanted to see the idea of digital church &amp;amp; digital discipleship multiply. What I love is that I didn't have to go far to find others who agreed with me! This is the heart behind theChurch.digital... to see people start multiplying movements of the gospel in every digital and metaverse space.
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           In digital ministry we say words like discipleship pathway, engagement process... these labels don't matter as much as what it's describing: the process of making disciples that make disciples.
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           Simply put, a disciple-making movement that grows into a church-planting movement (DMM that leads to CPM), theChurch.digital's movement system is designed to help ordinary people develop contextually-savvy digital and metaverse communities that reproduce and grow leaders that start churches and develop into networks and multiply into movements. 
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      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/achieving-movement-the-heart-of-thechurch-digital</guid>
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      <description>Ready to transform youth ministry in the post-Covid era? Join us as Steve Cullum expands on the current landscape of youth ministry and how we can empower teens and leaders. Discover valuable resources, connect with other youth workers, and learn digital tools to supplement your ministry. Whether you're in digital, phygital, or metaverse ministry, this episode has something radical for you!</description>
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           In the same way, as believers, we have an opportunity to celebrate our independence, as well. We have freedom in Christ and we are called to celebrate that daily. The great news is that in today's digital and online world, this freedom transcends physical boundaries. We can celebrate that online as we go about our day every day. 
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            As you celebrate freedom in Christ remember that your online and digital presence should and can reflect the joy, peace, and love that comes from this freedom. By intentionally celebrating our freedom in Christ online, we can create a positive digital atmosphere that stands in stark contrast to the often negative online world we experience.
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            Of the estimated 8,000+ multisite churches in North America, one third deliver their messages primarily by video, another third are hybrid delivering their messages with video and in-person, and one third deliver their messages primarily in-person.
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            In addition, the majority of the 300K+ protestant churches across America offer some sort of church online experience. With this many churches using digital communication I reached out to Jason Morris, Product Manager at RESI, the leading all-in-one steaming service providers for churches to learn what he is seeing among online communicators.
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           Here are some best practices we are seeing among churches for delivering digital sermons online. 
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           1. Omit references to time, day, and weather.
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            The most difficult thing is to remove all references to time of day, day of the week, and the weather. Avoid “tonight” or “Saturday.” Better to use words like “today” or “weekend.”
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            References in the message to worship leaders or vocalists by name can be awkward or meaningless because they are different at the other locations. 
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            Position the camera where it is the easiest and most natural for the speaker to look into. Cameras positioned at eye-level are best for the communicator. Don’t make it awkward for the speaker by forcing them to crane their neck to peer into the camera or look up to a balcony above the main room. Use camera lights in a way so that the speaker will know which camera is the live camera. Sometimes it’s good to have an online camera that’s slightly off to the side of the stage. Make it easy for the speaker to look straight into the camera to address a campus or online audience like they were speaking to an individual.
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            Stay with continual close-up headshots (video images need to feel larger-than-life), minimizing the number of full-stage and full-body shots. Avoid camera shots that remind viewers that they are not there, such as audience reactions, audience cut-away shots, or side-shots of the speaker. 
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           Effective online communicators today recognize their audience is bigger than the onsite room they are speaking in. Before recording or live-streaming the service from the broadcast location, invite the onsite audience to join you in engaging the larger online audience as a “streaming (or recorded) event before a live studio audience.” Make everyone in the room feel they are a part of something bigger than themselves. This will give you permission to look into the cameras instead of the onsite audience. 
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           Be mindful as you prepare messages that you are speaking to an audience that encompasses more than those in the room with you. They see you as their pastor and spiritual leader. They feel connected to you; they love you. They show up onsite and online because of the spiritual teaching they receive from you. Practice these habits and you will become a better and more effective digital communicator!
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            Be sure to give these guidelines to any guest speakers so that they too can make the most of your church’s video delivery and also become better digital communicators!
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            Community is a vital component to churches. It has been since the creation of the first Church in Acts 2. It is through community that people connect and can grow in their faith best.
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            Every community works best when peel respect and honor each other, even with opposite viewpoints. To help make this happen, you can create a team of trusted moderators. They will ensure a safe and inclusive environment within your Discord community. Clearly communicate community guidelines, and empower moderators to address any inappropriate behavior or conflicts promptly and respectfully.
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            By implementing these strategies, you can leverage Discord's full capabilities to build a thriving online community where members feel welcomed, engaged, cared for, and supported.
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           A strong sense of community not only fosters meaningful conversations and connections but also enhances the overall experience for everyone involved. Ultimately, it contributes to the growth and success of your Church or ministry.
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           I'm not sure if you knew this, but async is not going anywhere. And YOU need a plan for your church to thrive in this.
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           What is Async? In the workplace, async refers to communication that happens outside of real-time meetings or conversations. Someone sends a message, update or question, and others respond when they are able - not necessarily right away. This allows people to work on their own schedule while still maintaining team collaboration.
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           While certainly not replacing the importance of gathering in-person, an async church model alongside physical meetings can richen the experience for all members. It's a way to enhance engagement and provide more access to the life-giving mission of your church.
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            . To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. This is for ALL ministers , not just church communicators or social media managers as we share resources, tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.
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           A network of networks, the focus of the Digital Church Network is to help any and everyone understand the opportunities and challenges of Digital and Meta spaces. Our heart, however, is a far more personal approach.
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            The allure of digital is that it can reach massive numbers of people, easily. Thanks to smartphones and social media, each of us has the potential ability to reach thousands of people with these devices in our pockets. But as James 1 reminds us, we need to be more than hearers of the word. We must be doers in the real world as well.
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            This is the multiplicative heartbeat of theChurch.digital. Helping digital churches move past a consumeristic approach towards a better understanding of
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            Is it better to have a million person church, or 100,000 churches of 10? I love this question, because I believe logic is truly tested on extremes.
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            Let me pause and back up. I do not want to bemoan the current model of church. Our physical buildings and our broadcasting of church services online can be effective in reaching, connecting and discipling people.
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           Researches show that active church involvement is down 25% over the past 25 years, so we can safely say that the physical model is losing effectiveness. Physical approach will continue to play a role for years to come. But we can no longer treat it as the only model of church.
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            As culture shifts, so should the Church's strategies and tactics. Jesus is the same, yesterday today and forever. No one is arguing that. Our churches need to hold to the ecclesiology, the biblical standards in place.
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           Digital/Meta Churches offer a chance to reimagine this ecclesiology for digital and meta spaces, for the purpose of reaching different people. Digital/meta churches must cling to the Bible as the guidelines for church. What is an essential ecclesiology for our churches, and what does it look like to map this essential ecclesiology across cloud services and the metaverse? This is the experiment that a digital/meta church planter gets to explore in the coming months and years.
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            As controversial as the idea of digital and meta churches are, we cannot lose sight of this one fact, and this is validated from digital and meta churches around the world... Digital/meta churches are reaching a different type of person than our physical buildings are reaching.
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           These digital/meta churches tell stories of reaching 80% atheists/agnostics , or 70% de-churched. I've heard stories of satanists coming to Jesus through relationships built in the metaverse. I've met the people who have found Jesus even though they swore they'd never go to a church building again.
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           Remembering, though, our digital and meta churches cannot just stop with salvation. Discipleship, or should we say disciple-making (with an emphasis on action/multiplication), is a vital to starting movements in digital/meta spaces.
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            It's this multiplicative approach to discipleship that is so crucial to the future of our churches. As the Great Resignation impacts our economy (pastors and churches included) more and more research is showing us that people, when they have spiritual questions, are not going to a paid pastor, a building, or a livestream for spiritual answers to those questions.
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           These people with spiritual questions are going to their friends who they think have spiritual answers to these questions. The future of our church is not sermons blasted from microphones... it's empowering people, discipling them to have individual, spirit-led conversations as opportunities present, and intentionally pray for conversations to come.
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            Discipleship looks different, depending on the environments that discipleship is happening. Physical discipleship is definitely doable, but there are other ways as well. Discipling someone via Zoom, or on a Discord server? Well, this looks completely different than physical discipleship.
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           What would a disciple-making multiplication movement look like in the metaverse? Honestly, this is one of the questions we want to answer! And while some of this is unproven on a large scale, we can state this as a fact... we're reaching and discipling a different type of person in these digital and meta environments than our buildings are discipling. Along that same path, we're now empowering a different type of leader.
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            Digital and meta churches often use a different type of leader than our physical buildings will utilize. This isn't that far of a stretch. These digital and meta churches reach a different type of person than our buildings reach, and they employ different methods of discipleship than our buildings utilize.
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           Digitally, what we're finding is that charisma is often overstated in digital and meta spaces. What leads well is relational connection. Simply, charisma leads to consumerism. Relationship leads to action. Truthfully, recruiters or networkers often do very well in digital and meta spaces, and we've seen these types of leaders succeed in these unique environments.
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           Most leaders, in fact, are not experts to the technology as much as natives in the technology. There are usually volunteers or part-time roles that become the technical experts. Digital or meta churches can be very technical. But they do not have to be.
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            Of the 200 some conversations I've had with people that are wanting to plant (or experiment) with a digital or meta church, 75% of them are interested in a bi-vocational or co-vocational ministry model. They're not looking to do ministry full-time in a physical church building, or even full-time online. They're looking to do ministry in addition to their job.
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           As a ministry leader, it can often feel like there are never enough hours in the day to get everything done. Between sermon and message preparation, admin work, pastoral counseling, and community outreach, the to-do list can seem endless. However, leveraging the right digital productivity tools and apps can help you stay organized and maximize your time.
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           Sermons and messages from ministry leaders don't just have to be shared in person these days. In fact, they are often recorded at church live in video and audio formats to reach more people with the message of hope found in Christ. While people often take the sermon from the in-person church service to share online, these are not the only ways ministers can share about Christ today. Ministers can record shorter messages, devotionals and interviews of people sharing their faith stories.
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           While anyone can record and share a video message, there are some tips that ministers can and should incorporate into them to make them more effective in the online environment. After all, communicating effectively on video platforms is a little different than sharing live, in person. So what can you do? What are some key points ministers should be incorporating into their message? Here are a few ideas:
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           While it is important to keep their attention when teaching, the primary goal should be engagement, not entertainment. Make sure your message is theologically sound and practical as you ask thought-provoking questions and interactive with the people who are watching your message as you give them practical next steps they can take to grow in their faith. Keep engaging with them so they remain hooked on your message throughout the entirety of it.
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           When preaching live, you feed off the energy of the room. With video, you have to manufacture that energy yourself. Look directly into the camera lens frequently to create the feeling of eye contact with viewers. Use passionate vocal inflection and animated gestures to keep people engaged. However, be careful not to go overboard to the point of theatrics.
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           Stories are powerful tools for illustrating key points of a message in a way that people can relate to and remember. Stories that often work best are personal stories as it makes you relatable and people can identify with you more. 
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           People often decide if they want to continue listening to a video within a few seconds. That is why it is important to hook them with a question or story early. But, you have to continue to keep them hooked as it is easy to tune out to a video you are watching. Continue to ask questions, share stories or ask them to comment on your video while you are sharing. The more you can keep them engaged and listening, the longer they will watch. 
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           Giving the message and sharing the gospel is one of the most important things a minister can do. These four tips can help ministers maximize the effectiveness of their message on video platforms like online streaming, podcasts, and social media. 
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           Ministry is happening in the Metaverse and VR. But what exactly? Stuart McPherson comes on the podcast to talk about what is happening and how churches can move forward with ministry in digital spaces like the metaverse. 
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            They talk about the need for individuals and organizations to have a clear vision and message that can be easily understood and shared while also discussing the challenges and opportunities of fundraising in ministry and the importance of storytelling in casting vision.
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           , there are 3 big reasons why. Start experimenting today to reach that next generation for Christ. 
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            Pastors and ministry leaders have many roles and responsibilities. While many roles seem to take higher priority, providing quality pastoral care and counseling is of significant importance. It's a real opportunity to minister and walk alongside people in the community and church as they experience life's joys and struggles.
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           Ministers can care for them as they offer biblical wisdom, prayer, and support every step of the way. 
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           In today's world, having access to technology gives ministers and pastors powerful tools that can enhance and expand their pastoral care efforts. Here are four digital tools that will help enhance pastoral care and counseling opportunities for ministers today. 
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           To schedule appointments in the past, you would have to call the church office and schedule. However, with great apps like Calendly and AppointmentPlus, it provides Church attendees and people in the community to easily schedule appointments for themselves. It takes an extra step or two out of the old process and really streamlines the scheduling process.
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            When Covid hit, it gave the world the chance to embrace digital tools to help communicate and build community. Zoom and video conferencing platforms really help people connect and it can help ministers connect with people needing counseling as well. This is really helpful for people who need to talk to a minster but are homebound or cannot make it to an in-person meeting.
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           Pastors and ministry leaders are called to be prayer warriors. They are also called to empower others to be prayers warriors, as well. By setting up an email address like prayer@(yourChurch).com or a page on your website, you enable people needing prayer and support a place to go at any time, knowing that someone will be praying for them right then and there.
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           Sometimes pastoral care happens spontaneously and informally throughout the day. Setting up apps like WhatsApp, Signal, or other similar and secure group messaging apps make it simple to quickly send an encouraging Bible verse to someone who is in need of encouragement. You can check in on someone who is struggling, or rally friends to surround a member with prayer in their time of need.
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           While technology cannot replace the importance of in-person presence, these digital tools have the power to expand how ministers connect with congregations through pastoral care and counseling. See how leveraging a few to increase accessibility and impact. 
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           How do you know if you are being effective in your digital and online ministry?
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           As churches seek to engage with and reach more people online for Christ, it's very important to be able to track the right analytics. After all, how can you possibly know you are being effective or not if you can't look over the numbers across your online platforms. By monitoring and keeping track of key social media metrics, you can better understand your audience, optimize your content strategy, and measure the impact of your efforts.
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           While there are a good number of online analytics you can track, here we will focus on some key analytics to keep an eye on for Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and your website.
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            . Videos matter to Facebook, especially videos that you directly upload to the platform. Take time to analyze video views, watch time, and audience retention. See the viewing habits of the people watching. This is especially important for your live stream of your Church service. 
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           By consistently reviewing these metrics from these different platforms, you can get valuable insights into what is being effective and what isn't being effective with your online efforts. The data you glean can give you a more strategic content planning, better engagement tactics, and ultimately, more effective digital ministry across platforms.
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      <title>What Digital Discipleship Can Look Like at Your Church</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/blog/digital-discipleship-today</link>
      <description>Digital Discipleship has grown leaps and bounds in recent years. And the future is bright for what lies ahead as ministers learn how to continue to use technology to disciples people. That is why DK Hammond is back on the podcast. Today, we talk about what you can do now and what are some of the more effective ways to disciple people digitally today.</description>
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            To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. This is for ALL Ministers, not just Church Communicators or Social Media Managers as we share resources, tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.
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            Looking for a Coach or Guide to help you with social media and other digital ministry tools? Take this 
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            quick assessment
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      <title>Why Cybersecurity Matters for Churches</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/blog/church-cybersecurity</link>
      <description>Churches are increasingly using technology to connect with people, share resources, and facilitate ministry opportunities today. Anything from maintaining websites and social media presences to enabling online giving and storing data, the church's digital footprint continues to grow daily. While this is great, there also comes a new threat to the Church as a whole.</description>
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           Churches are increasingly using technology to connect with people, share resources, and facilitate ministry opportunities today. Anything from maintaining websites and social media presences to enabling online giving and storing data, the church's digital footprint continues to grow daily. While this is great, there also comes a new threat to the Church as a whole. 
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           With an increased reliance on technology comes the threat in the form of cybercriminals and hackers. While many people are using advances in technology for positive purposes, these cybercriminals and hackers are using technology to scam and steal data and money from people, including Churches. And, they are constantly evolving their tactics to stay ahead of the security features people, businesses, and churches enable. That is why Churches should have an effective cybersecurity strategy in place. 
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           So what is at risk? A successful cyber breach against a Church can have devastating consequences. They include the potential for financial losses, data breaches, and reputational damage that can erode trust within the community. Imagine the fallout if sensitive information such as tithes and offering records or personal details were compromised due to a lax in cybersecurity measures at a Church.
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           Beyond the immediate risks, a cyber attack against your Church can also disrupt essential church operations, potentially impacting the ability to communicate with people at your Church, stream your services, or conduct necessary administrative tasks. These disruptions can significantly hinder your church's ability to carry out its mission effectively.
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           Implementing strong cybersecurity practices is not just a necessity but it is imperative for churches. You are stewards of sensitive information and are a trusted institution within your communities. It is your responsibility to protect the privacy and security of their data.
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           Before we get into why Riverside.fm is a great platform for you as a podcaster, let's talk about what Riverside.fm is real quick.  It is Zoom on steroids. Not only does it give. you the option to record audio and video, the quality of those are fantastic. Much better than other platforms. And now, with the emergence of AI, it uses AI to create Magic Clips that at a tap of your mouse, they can create clips for you to share on all social media platforms in less than 5 minutes.  
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What is Discord and how can your Church utilize it for ministry purposes? Today, Andy Mage joins the podcast to talk about all of that and how Digital and Online Ministers can join The Church Digital Discord to learn together in community. 
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In this episode, Stuart sits down with Christina, who is a volunteer with Fox River VR. She shares her experience in VR from the female perspective, what it’s like to be a volunteer for a church in VR, and some of her favorite Kingdom wins from her time doing ministry in VR.
Interested in learning more about bringing your Church into VR? Reach out to Stuart HERE!


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                    Discord's user-friendly interface and versatile features make it an ideal platform for building and nurturing an online ministry community. With the ability to create servers tailored to specific interests or groups, ministers can establish dedicated spaces for their congregations, small groups, or outreach initiatives.
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                    One of the key advantages of Discord is its real-time communication capabilities. Through voice and text channels, ministers can host live discussions, Bible studies, prayer meetings, and even share their message to others. This allows attendees to actively participate and engage with one another in real-time.  That is unheard of in at an in-person Church service, but this opportunity to have interaction helps foster a sense of belonging and creates opportunities for deeper spiritual connections and conversations.
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                    Additionally, Discord's server organization tools enable ministers to create separate channels for different topics or ministries, such as youth groups, men's or women's ministries, or specific outreach programs. You can have a main group discussion channel but then have one set up just for particular ministries or classes. It's an amazing feature. It helps to ensure that relevant and pertinent information and resources are easily accessible to the people that need to hear it.
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                    Furthermore, Discord's integration with various digital tools and platforms opens up new possibilities for enhancing online ministry experiences. Ministers can share a variety of content on the platform. They can share videos, podcasts, or other presentations directly within the server, providing a centralized hub for the Church or ministry.
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                    Lastly, while no online tool is 100% hacker proof, Discord also offers a robust moderation capability and security features, allowing ministers to maintain a safe and respectful environment for their online communities. They have the ability to assign roles, set permissions, and enforce community guidelines that will help ministers ensure that their online space remain focused on spiritual growth and transformation. 
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                    As online ministry continues to grow, evolve, and transform, embracing platforms like Discord can really help ministers stay connected with their congregations and reach out to new people for Christ. By leveraging the power of Discover, ministers can foster a sense of community, facilitate meaningful interactions, and create engaging online experiences that deepen spiritual growth and nurture lasting connections. 
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      <title>EP291 - Jeff Celebrates The Church Digital Podcast's Fifth Anniversary</title>
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  The Evolution of Digital Ministry: Celebrating Milestones and Embracing the Future

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                    As we mark the five-year anniversary of The Church Digital Podcast and the 24-year anniversary of Jeff Reed's first digital ministry venture with ebeliever.com, it's a time of reflection on the leaps and strides made in integrating technology with faith practice.
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  The Dawn of Online Community: ebeliever.com's Legacy
    
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                    In January 2000, Jeff Reed embarked on an ambitious project to create ebeliever.com, a pre-social media online Christian community that offered connection through discussion boards, music, and sermons – all at the frontier of digital technology. They were the trailblazers in using technology to foster spiritual community, encoding sermons and conducting online Bible studies long before channels like YouTube became the norm.
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  Overcoming Challenges: Technical Setbacks and Unexpected Interactions
    
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                    Tech mishaps and alterations in plans are familiar to those breaking new ground. Reed's encounter with technical slide issues during a presentation, followed by a charged Zoom interrogation by Ed Stetzer, shows that resilience and adaptability are indispensable. These experiences not only test our mettle but often lead to surprising opportunities, like Jeff’s lighthearted invitation to Stetzer's podcast.
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  Fostering Connection and Resilience: The Resilient Church Webinar Series
    
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                    The podcast announces the Resilient Church webinar series, focusing on melding connection and community through digital means, an essential conversation in our increasingly online world. Digital ministry is forward-thinking, and these webinars will highlight vibrant discourses from April to September, paving the way for more inclusive and technologically adapted church practices.
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  Leadership and Vision: The Road to a Distributed Podcast Network
    
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                    Jeff Reed shares his vision of a distributed podcast network, which eschews the expansion of a single podcast for a collaborative, wealth-distributing model. This revolutionary idea emphasizes leadership that seeds and nurtures multiple platforms, resonating with the biblical principle of growth through multiplication.
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  The Power of Partnership: Not Going It Alone
    
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                    Reflecting on a harrowing server crash in 2003 that brought down ebeliever.com, Reed highlights the importance of partnership. The path of innovation can be isolating, so finding colleagues like Ray, who supported him through tough times, underscores the importance of community—not just in building a digital church but in the personal lives of those leading the way.
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  Future Endeavors: Church Planting and Digital Realms
    
    Subheader: Blending Tradition with Modern Innovation

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                    The podcast looks forward to divergent conversations with thought leaders like Peyton Jones on virtual reality church planting, offering listeners a glance into how conventional church planting paradigms are transforming in the modern age.
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                    As we surmise from the narrative of The Church Digital Podcast and ebeliever.com, the intersection of technology and spirituality has indeed seen a paradigm shift. From mere supplemental tools for ministry, digital platforms have burgeoned into central pillars supporting the spread of the Gospel and the cultivation of community. Still, challenges such as technological hiccups, resistance, and the critical need for strategic partnerships remind us that the journey is a continuous learning process.
    
  
  
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    Like the early church, which spread its wings far and wide with the assistance of the Roman roads, today’s church has the digital highway to disseminate the hopeful message of the Gospel. Jeff Reed and guests like Ed Stetzer, DK Hammond, and Steve Addison are just some of the pioneers ensuring that the digital ministry not only thrives but sets the path for future innovation.
    
  
  
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                    In the Church there are lots of different ways you can serve. And, with Online Ministry options, there are even more of a variety of options. However, just because someone is comfortable using technology and has the passion to serve in this area doesn't mean they automatically know how to effectively serve in the different roles. Proper training is key to equipping your digital volunteers for online ministry excellence.
    
  
  
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                    Just like very ministry position, the volunteer needs proper training and equipping to be successful. Above are 7 different things you can do. Take time to work through your processes so that you best prepare the volunteers to be fully equipped as soon as possible. The more you can do that, the more successful they will be at helping your Church reach your digital and online audience. 
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  Navigating Digital Transformation: TCD Unveils a New Online Era

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  TCD Embarks on a Fresh Digital Journey with a Revamped Website, Discord Community, and Focused Branding Strategy

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                    As churches come up with different and creative strategies to make disciples, online groups provide an innovative way to do that. They encourage spiritual growth, build relationships, and expand reach to people far beyond your local community. With the right leadership and best practices, these online discipleship gatherings have tremendous potential for your Church and believers. 
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It happens every year. Right after Easter, attendance, when the weather turns warmer and as school ends Church attendance tends to decline. But, not this year.. This year can be different. To talk about this today is Justin Nava from Nava Church Marketing. He will share 3 ways you can break the normal summertime attendance decline this year.   



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Learn how Nate's personal tribulations, including divorce and loss, transformed his Instagram platform into a beacon for godly relationships.
Discover Nate's approach to balancing the demands of consistency in online ministry with the need for personal rest and recuperation.
Gain insights into repurposing long-form pastoral messages into impactful, bite-sized content for social media engagement
Explore the power of masculine vulnerability through biblical examples,as Nate challenges stereotypes and promotes authentic connection.
Hear how pivoting content strategy in response to burnout can lead to personal growth and a stronger, more resonant message to followers.

 


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Virtual reality (VR) world building refers to the process of creating and designing immersive 3D virtual environments that users can explore and interact with using a VR headset and controllers. These digital worlds can replicate real-world locations or construct entirely new, imaginative realms. The possibilities are endless for creating. That's what makes it a great opportunity for ministry.

In this episode of the Metaverse Ministry Podcast, Stuart sits down with VR Tiger of Oasis church VR, to talk about Oasis, and the importance of world building for VR ministry.
Interested in learning more about bringing your Church into VR? Reach out to Stuart HERE!


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In this week's episode is all about the raw, real, and relatable journey of faith with the insightful Jay Medina. This one speaks directly to the heart of anyone navigating their personal relationship with the church and their spiritual walk. So grab a cozy spot, hit play, and let's dive deep into the heart of Gen Z's spiritual landscape.
5 Key Takeaways to Enlighten Your Spirit:

**The Generational Shift in Church Engagement** - Learn how Jay and her peers grapple with their place in the church amidst rising numbers of religiously unaffiliated adults.
**Authenticity in Faith** - Discover why genuine expressions of faith resonate more with young people today and how the church can adapt to meet this yearning.
**Sanctification vs. Salvation** - Ashley candidly shares her ongoing journey and searches for what it really means to be welcomed into the church.
**Diversity and Digital Storytelling** - Jay Medina shares her vision for bridging the gaps in media, especially for the multicultural audience, inspired by his rich heritage and professional experiences.
**Mentorship Over Methodology** - Hear Jay's advice for church leadership on how to truly connect with and support the faith journeys of Gen Z without resorting to a "savior complex.”

 


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In-Depth Dialogue: Hear why Katie chose podcasting to foster longer, meaningful discussions beyond the confines of quick social media snippets.
The Pod Ministry: Explore the benefits and necessity of ministries expanding their content through podcasting, especially for larger congregations with the means to do so.
Unexpected Journeys: Find out how Katie's diverse experiences, from speaking at sororities to becoming a yoga instructor, paved her path to becoming a national college speaker.
Mentorship Matters: Gain insights into the importance of mentorship and discipleship in the digital era, and understand the distinction between overt and covert ways of guiding others.
Aiming for Authenticity: Learn why Katie champions authentic spiritual conversations and how she tailors her faith-based advice to various platforms and audiences.



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                    With our generation steeping further into the digital realm, Kingstide has pioneered an ingenious approach to fostering Christian community online. Their mission, which resounded throughout the latest episode of the podcast TCD, is as audacious as it is praiseworthy: to weave a network of believers online, and gradually guide them towards local churches, nourishing a robust digital and physical bond within the community.
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                    By leveraging platforms like Discord, Kingstide has curated an asynchronous community, enabling them to tailor experiences to various demographic needs. From introduction channels and gaming discussions to Bible talk and daily verses, the community embodies a spectrum of interactions that resonate with their audience's diversity. The transition to a dedicated mobile app seeks to enhance this experience, with groups, events, topics, podcasts, and nuanced account settings at the user's fingertips.
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                    The operation, fueled by 90 volunteers managing a 9,000-strong fellowship, aims to scale by maintaining a ratio of 10 volunteers per 1,000 participants. This structure is instrumental in nurturing the community and maintaining an impactful presence both inside and beyond the United States, reaching individuals who lack the privilege of a nearby physical church.
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                    Moving to an autonomous mobile app reflects Kingstide's ambition to gain greater control over the content and community engagement, stepping out of the shadows of the giant secular platform that Discord is. The choice reflects a farsighted strategy, undeterred by the challenges posed by the lack of automatic content moderation or the costs of using website builders like Wix.
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                    Marketing initiatives and engagement funnels are at the heart of Kingstide's expansion strategy. The 'Jesus City' campaign pioneers this vision, aiming to establish a beachhead in Charleston, South Carolina, via geofenced marketing and a data-driven approach to nurturing benefactor relationships and measuring philanthropic impact.
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                    Gabe DeWalk, a 22-year-old visionary leading Kingstide with the backing of an accountability board, has set his sights on ambitious goals for community growth, evangelism, and legacy building. The objectives stretch from increasing the podcast's reach and fostering a cohort of prayer warriors, to establishing a physical presence with event spaces and a content creation studio.
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                    As TCD's latest episode drew to a close, the themes discussed painted an inspiring picture—of a community unbound by geography, united in faith, leveraging the digital landscape to forge a legacy of connection and discipleship. Kingstide stands as a sterling example of how the confluence of technology and determination can revolutionize the way we perceive and practice community and evangelism in an increasingly digital world.
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                    On March 10, 2023 Microsoft shutdown their virtual reality platform known as “AltspaceVR.” For most people, this was not a news worthy action. No, literally, it wasn’t news worthy. This wasn’t announced by any major news stations. In fact, it would have taking intentional digging and internet surfing to find any information about this shutdown. And, to be fair, unless you are a constant user of virtual reality technology, you have probably never heard of AltspaceVR. 
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We've just dropped Season 2, Episode 4, and it's no ordinary chat. Join Ashley and Andy as they sit down with the dynamic Will Cumby to explore the sizzling topic of blending digital spaces with traditional discipleship. This episode is packed with flavor, no extra seasoning required!
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**Balancing Act**: How to strike the perfect balance between the value of in-person gatherings and the vast potential of digital community spaces for discipleship.
**Influence Is Everywhere**: Whether you're a TikTok teen or a Facebook fanatic, everyone has influence. Discover how to use your digital footprint to disciple others and why it matters.
**The Will to Disciple**: Will shares his passionate views on the significance of both hearing and doing God's word, illustrating the vitality of community in the process.
**Beyond the Screen**: The episode delves into the critical importance of moving from online conversations to tangible, real-life connections and the need for genuine ministry in the digital sphere.
**Tech-Savvy Ministry**: Tips and tricks for churches looking to expand into the world of online content creation. Will offers advice on authenticity and navigating the diverse landscape of social media platforms.



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                    Jeff Reed's recent commentary on the evolving face of church movements underscores the delicate balance between traditional church values and the cutting-edge approaches needed in today's digital era. As Jeff eloquently puts it, the early churches found strength and momentum not in physical buildings, but in the power of being sent out like seeds—spreading their message far and wide.
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Communications changes regularly, especially in this digital world we live in. That is why it is important to be in the know of what is happening and what is trending. That is why Mark MacDonald is on the podcast. 
Mark is a Church Branding Strategist for BeKnownForSomething.com, a national Church Communication and branding agency, coaching Pastors and 1000s of Churches to become relevant in their community. He is also a best selling Author and has written over 800 magazine articles. 
While Tom and Mark talk about a few of the trends in Church Communications, you can read the rest of his trends here. 



 
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We've got some soul-stirring content fresh out of the oven. Episode 3 of Season 2 is ready to hit your eardrums, and, trust me, you won't want to miss a minute. Jump on our latest candid discussion with the incredibly transparent Joey Papa on “Hybrid Disciple."
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**The Power of Vulnerability:** Learn how Joey turned his life's lowest points into a foundation for authentic conversations about faith and recovery.
**Engaging with Digital Discipleship:** Understand how Joey uses his podcast ‘The Failed Christian' to create a non-judgmental space for believers and skeptics alike to discuss their faith and doubts.
**The Role of Modern Churches:** Discover the essential shift contemporary churches must make to support their congregations virtually - dealing head-on with taboo topics and fostering honest discourse.
**Finding Grace Amid Struggles:** Hear how personal tragedies and mental health challenges can lead to profound spiritual insights and why embracing our struggles openly can lead to genuine healing.
**Creating Safe Online Environments:** Gain insights on the crucial components of building positive online communities that respect diverse thoughts and encourage respectful interactions.



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                    Easter services, events and activities are all the focus each spring for Churches. The reality is though, that while Easter gets a lot of attention, there would be no Easter without Good Friday. Good Friday is the day Christians commemorate and observe the crucifixion of Jesus. He death redeemed us of the sins of humanity. 
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                    There is also huge potential to spur new interest in visiting your church on Easter Sunday. If someone was to see and attend your Online Good Friday service, they could be drawn to attend an in-person or online Easter service a few days later. You can use website banners, social media ads, and email campaigns that target unchurched people in your local community to attend.  
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.In this episode of the Metaverse Church Podcast, Stunami engages in a profound conversation with Nathan from Fox River VR. The discussion delves into the realm of evangelism within the virtual reality landscape, exploring how these digital interactions can transcend into real-world impacts within local communities. The conversation sheds light on the power of virtual reality as a tool for evangelism that can expand beyond the confines of virtual reality.
This conversation between Stunami and Nathan underscores the huge potential of VR evangelism in driving positive change in the lives of people and gives us hope found in God. By harnessing the immersive power of virtual reality, ministry leaders and Churches can make an enteral difference in the lives of others, both online and in real life. 


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Today, we're journeying into the merging paths of digital and in-person ministry with the insightful Ian Simpkins. Trust us; this episode unpacks some serious wisdom for anyone navigating the complex world of tech and faith!
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**The Importance of Personal Interaction**: Ian reveals why face-to-face conversations and processing thoughts in real time are crucial for authentic community building.
**Balancing Digital and Local Connections**: Discover how to maintain local ties and foster genuine relationships in our era of digital dominance. Ian's take on this balance is eye-opening!
**Being Real in Preaching and Online**: Ian shares how embracing authenticity in both sermons and social media can create deep, transparent connections with your audience.
**The Role of Technology in Ministry**: Learn how Ian uses tech strategically to spread the gospel and make meaningful daily deposits in the lives of his congregation and family.
**Adapting to Change in Church Leadership**: Hear Ian's perspective on empowering decision-making and staying relevant with digital trends in church leadership.



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Share your thoughts! What do you think? What other ways you can serve your online community? Share below or on social media by connecting with Tom.
Sly is an amazing resource for Online Ministry! To connect with him, check him out on Twitter or email him.

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                    The first step is to set up an official YouTube account. Use an email associated with your church, one that isn't designated to one specific person. If you need to, make a general email address like "YouTube@(your Church name).com. That way, if that person ever leaves your Church, you don't have to change a bunch of things.
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                    As you fill in the information, make sure to include important details like your church name, location, denomination, etc. in the description section. This helps distinguish your videos from the millions of others and makes them easier to find.
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                    Next, think carefully about the exact purpose of your church’s YouTube channel. What will you use it for? Is it mainly for broadcasting services? Sharing small group content or children’s programming? Promoting upcoming events and announcements? Outreach in the local community and beyond? Having a clear vision will shape the type of content you prioritize posting.
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                    Not only are there different types of videos you can create but you can create long form videos of 15 minutes or longer. You can create shorter form videos that max out at 60 seconds. Or, you can create videos that are somewhere in-between in length. It is good to have a variety of videos you create. 
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                    High quality videos don't alway guarantee high return. However, you should invest in decent video equipment so you can produce quality videos. For example, buying a good lighting system and microphone for audio are really important or viewers will quickly lose interest. Set up the camera on a tripod to keep footage steady. And be sure your background is appropriate and uncluttered.
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                    Let your Church know that they can now access videos on your new YouTube channel for additional devotionals and spiritual encouragement throughout the week. Also, share links to best videos on your Church's other social platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter so that more people can discover your videos.  
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                    As with everything you do, consistency matters. By consistently posting quality content on a regularly, you build trust and familiarity with people and the YouTube algorithm appreciates it a lot, too. By consistently posting and gradually improving the value and quality of your videos, you’ll begin to see your subscribers, views, shares, and comments grow. Consistency shows commitment and reliability, reassuring people that follow you, they can depend on seeing your videos regularly appear. Sporadic posting tends to cause people to lose interest in subscribing to your channel.  
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      Starting a successful YouTube channel for your church does involve an investment of time and effort. But, the potential to spread the Gospel and the power of Christ is well worth it. Just as missionaries travel to unfamiliar places to share about Christ, establishing an online video presence on YouTube creates the same feel as you cross into a digital divide to share Christ's love. 
    
  
    
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      Easter Sunday is one of the biggest and most important Church services of the year. That is why you have to make sure you have all your equipment ready and up-to-date. Churches rely heavily on audio and video systems, computer networks, and other tech to support services each Sunday. With Easter Sunday, it's even more important to make sure everything connection, cord and battery is ok. By doing regular tech check-ups before Easter, it allows for potential issues to be caught early before they escalate into larger problems.
    
  
  
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                    So, what are some of key technical elements that your Church should check before Easter services:
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      They allow your Church and the different ministry to leverage the tools so that your all the great things you have planned for Easter goes off effectively and smoothly. The less disruptions, the more likely people are going to hear about the power and hope of Christ this Easter. 
    
  
  
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                    People have a love hate relationship with Facebook. It is the most popular social media platform in the world with over. 3.03 billion monthly active users. However, people have soured over it over the years because of privacy concerns. However, recently, Facebook has been starting to have a comeback. More and more people are using it and it continues to be a place where people enjoy sharing about their life. 
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                    Above most other platforms, Facebook is about relationships. At least that was the intent when started. The people who are your "friends" are your friends and family. It is more of an intimate group you know and interact with than a lot of the other platforms. So people know you on the platform. That is why, before diving into spiritual matters, spend time interacting with your people. Comment on their posts, like and interact with their updates, and message them to carry on conversations. Before you can share about your faith and all that God has for people, you have to build up trust and earn the right to be heard with them.  
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                    If you are going to be a Digital Missionary, you need to create and share faith based content and encouragement that connects with people. You can post reflections, stories, videos, devotionals as well as suggestions and encouragement for integrating biblical principles into parenting, work stress, financial decisions and more. Ask thoughtful questions and invite different perspectives. Be vulnerable and real as you can share about doubts and difficulties you've had that may help people identify with what they are going though. By applying God’s truth to real needs, you can introduce lots of people to how a relationship with Jesus helps you throughout life.
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                    Facebook Groups are great ways for people to connect for real discussion. You can use these groups to host community conversations about applying God's word to your life and growing in faith. For instance, you can start a very general online Bible Study Group and have people discuss what they are learning. Or, you can get more specific by staring a group for parents or for reading a book together about faith. There are lots of different options you can do, but make sure you set clear guidelines upfront to keep discussions respectful. As with everything on social media, consistency is they key. Give regular prompts, pose thoughtful questions, highlight insightful responses, and guide loving yet truthful dialogue. Groups allow both private and public spaces to support people seeking Jesus and to grow in their faith. 
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                    There is still a tremendous opportunity for ministry on Facebook. These are just a few considerations to think through to help you maximize your digital ministry efforts. How are you going to use Facebook in your ministry? 
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                    As the world embraces a more digitalized ethos, the church is no exception. In the Church Digital (TCD) podcast EP283, titled 'Aaron Senneff &amp;amp; Pushpay's State of the Church Tech Report,' host Jeff Reed and guest Aaron Senneff discussed the undulating relationship between technology and faith-based organizations. This comprehensive exploration of the episode offers us profound insights.
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                    The person I think you are looking for is the person who all they want to do is know Jesus and make Jesus known. This is the person that it doesn’t matter where you put them, they can’t help but get into a Jesus conversation with someone, because all that matters to them is letting people know there is a God who is for them and not against them.
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                    This Easter season, use online Bible studies to help shine the light of Christ to other that will spark hope and life transformation. There is power during this time of year and peoples lives can be transformed by the power of Christ. So, as your church gears up with special programming and services for Easter, make sure you encourage people at lead and get involved in an Online Bible Study this year. 
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                    The recent episode of the Church Digital Podcast (TCD) dove into a technology that could revolutionize not just everyday life but also the workings of the church. Host Jeff Reed and operations director Andy Mage engaged in a lively conversation about the newly released Apple Vision Pro. Priced at $3,500, the device showcases advances in augmented and virtual reality, potentially shaping our workspaces, communities, and how we experience the church digitally.
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                    The episode was both a technophile's delight and a deep dive into the implications of AR in our society. As the discussion unfolded, the two outlined the pros and cons of integrating such advanced technology into our daily routines. The potential distractions and the possible hazard of users becoming too engrossed in their augmented universes were weighed against the seamless and immersive experience the device offers.
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                    The Apple Vision Pro, running on Vision OS, has evidently piqued Jeff's interest, especially considering the long-term impact AR might have over VR. The podcast explored the cultural shift that this technology might beckon, particularly for the church, keeping in mind how such devices might alter attendance and engagement during online services.
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                    Andy emphasized the need for using technological tools judiciously within the church setting, balancing the allure of tech with the focus required to understand God's word. Jeff shared insights into a future where AR might help bridge distances, enabling a level of closeness and shared experience unheard of before.
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                    Get ready to unplug and recharge your faith (literally and figuratively) because The Hybrid Disciple is back!  Season 2 of your favorite podcast exploring the intersection of digital and physical discipleship premieres Tuesday, February 13th, and we can't wait to embark on this journey with you.
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                    Remember how we told you were going to be bringing interviews with influencers in the faith, discipleship, and tech realm? Buckle up, because we're diving deeper into the complexities of navigating faith in a tech-driven world.
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                    Whether you're a digital native yearning for authentic connection or a seasoned churchgoer curious about the possibilities of technology, The Hybrid Disciple has something for you. Join us as we:
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                    Mark your calendars, spread the word, and get ready to be challenged, inspired, and equipped to live your faith in a hybrid world.
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                    Like many holidays and special events, Valentine's Day can be a great opportunity for Digital Missionaries. By sharing powerful of love, reconciliation, forgiveness of betrayals, and commitment through trials, we not only share how God embodies all of these but it also provides current examples of God's love in action through people today.  
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      From a very young age you are encouraged to ask questions. Whether you are processing something that has happened or a thought, you are always encouraged to ask who, what, when, where, why and how. Asking those questions will help you solve the problem or learn more. Asking questions is powerful at a young age as you are growing up and it is powerful in ministry, as a Digital Missionary.  
    
  
  
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                    Asking questions on your social accounts isn't the only way to ask questions and stir up conversations. Another example is to comment on someone else's social media post where they are asking questions. You can comment and follow up with a question of your own. When you do this, these questions help start caring conversations.
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                    As a Digital Missionary, resist the urge to be an instant expert. People do not want answers from the know it all. Rather, they want to process their questions with someone who is humble and relatable. They want to have meaningful spiritual conversations, not be lectured to. That is why it is important to ask questions to help you understand what they are really searching for. The more you can ask questions, the more likely you are going to be able to engage someone in a meaning, spiritual conversation and help them in their faith journey.
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                    In an ever-evolving church landscape, it’s crucial to understand who we are communicating with. Barbara Carneiro, CEO of Word Revolution, articulates the importance of specificity in content curation. Catering to different generations isn't just wise; it's essential. She eloquently breaks down generational categories into four Cs: contributors (boomers), consumers (Gen Xers), collaborators (millennials), and curators (Gen Zs). These categories reflect distinct worldviews shaped by diverse upbringings. Grasping these nuances can transform the way your church reaches out to each group.
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                    In the wake of technological advancements, Carneiro’s influence on the digital presence of the church has been pivotal. Reed’s initial resistance to change a logo for a younger audience underscores Carneiro's insight into generation-specific appeals. She underscores the need for churches to understand the shift from the information age to the engagement and now curation age, where trust is the new currency.
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                    This episode sets the stage for churches to contemplate the benefits and challenges that come with personalized communication. Reed’s enthusiasm for further conversation on this topic suggests a future deep dive into the subject. In a nutshell, the podcast EP281 of TCD provides a wellspring of innovation and a call to action for churches to learn about their audiences and tailor their messages accordingly.
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                    Carefully targeting your audience with generational understanding and simplification can revolutionize your church's outreach. Let TCD be the guidepost on this journey through the digital mission field, helping your church navigate the complexities of audience-specific messaging.
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Whether it is a work related one or personal one, we have all been in funks before. And while we have all been in them, it doens't mean we have to stay in them. Today, Cory Sullivan joins me on the podcast to talk about some very practical steps you can take to get out of that funk.
 
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Share your thoughts! What do you do when you are in funk? How do you get out of it? Share below or on Twitter by reaching out to Tom.
Cory is a great resource and you can find him blogging here.  You can also follow him on Instagram here. He's a great resource so hit him up and pick his brain.
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                    Jesus says in Matthew 28:19-20 to “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”. Jesus never says to be lazy, Jesus never asks us to take the easy way out. He commands us to go and make disciples. Discipleship is messy, hard work that cannot be replaced with an AI. Teaching is personal. One on one. People to people.
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                    I remember long ago, my Mom talking about Revelation 13:15, where John is saying that the beast “was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed”. With AI, the question is no longer how can Satan give voice and sight to images, but when. When will he use the technology we have built to rule the world?
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                    In digital spaces where the need is significant, the theological and pastoral landscapes of churches are expanding beyond the physical realm. EP280 of the TCD podcast, hosted by Jeff Reed, features a conversation that weaves together crisis, trauma, and digital ministry, presenting an intersection often underserved in theological discussions.
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                    There is a continuous call for training and resources, crafting a trauma-informed congregation, and a leadership that can navigate the digital waters with a shepherd's care. Equipping volunteers with the right tools and awareness not only strengthens the church's support structure but also enriches the spiritual health of the community.
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In this enlightening episode of From Text To Testimony, Andy and Megan tackle the complexities of anxiety and its impact on daily life. Tune in for practical advice, personal experiences, and professional insights into managing this prevalent condition. 

Discover why our frontal lobe's development impacts decision-making and how life transitions can heighten anxiety. 
Learn about the challenges digital ministry responders face with anxiety and the innovative use of AI tools for role-playing conversations. 
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Gain insights into the importance of creating safe spaces for discussions on mental health and how to connect individuals with the resources they need.

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Podcasts are a very popular form of media that people like to consume. And, there are a wide variety of podcasts out there. But, when it comes to Churches, the main podcast out there are sermon audio. That is there podcast. Well, today, Justin  Herman, the Online Pastor from Mariner's Church in California comes on the podcast to talk about what they are doing, but also to offer other ideas for Churches to podcast about. 


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                    Technology continues to advance. Some are major advancements and some are minor advancements. As technology advances, there will be new ways for ministries to use that technology to help create environments for people to hear about God and be transformed. Highlighted above are just a sampling of what got shared and remember that for everything that got shared, there are tons of products being worked on right now that didn't get shared, but will be released later this year. Keep praying to God to see where He leads you as you adapt new technology for His purposes. 
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                    You didn’t see that question coming, did you? It’s sort of a head nod to Chris Farley and Paul Rubens but the question will be addressed a minute or so into this essay. Yes, you’ve read a bit about ChatGPT and I have to admit, I’m a bit infatuated with ChatGPT…but that’s for later. Even so, a bit of review is in order.
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                    The legendary football coach would begin the season’s first practice with Green Bay Packers by saying, “Gentlemen, this is a football.” So, what is ChatGPT? “Gentlemen and gentlewomen, this is ChatGPT:
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                    No technological innovation has launched with such market velocity as ChatGPT. Within five days of its release on November 30, 2022, ChatGPT had one million users. Within ten weeks ChatGPT had acquired its first 100 million users, something that took Facebook 4.5 years, Instagram 2.5 years and Google almost one year to achieve (
    
  
  
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                    Boy, that’s a good question. So, I asked ChatGPT for the publicly available sources of data that it accessed. Prompt: “Can you give me fifteen examples of publicly available sources that feed your wealth of knowledge?” The answer was fascinating. The first source was “billions of web pages” followed by Wikipedia and ending with MIT OpenCourseWare with a myriad of interesting sources in between. 
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                    Let’s start with an analogy. Remember the line in the movie Ghostbusters where Dr. Egon Spengler was trying to describe the looming peril of biblical proportions facing New York City? Egon says, “Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's reading, it would be a Twinkie thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds,” to which his ghost-busting counterpart, Winston Zeddimore responds, “That’s a big Twinkie!”
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                    So, if a Twinkie represented the intellectual capacity of an average pastor, ChatGPT is that 600 pound Twinkie! With such a storehouse of knowledge Chat GPT has breezed through the standard qualifying exams like the SATs, MCATs, the MBA Exam, the Uniform Bar Exam, the U.S. Medical License Exam. It is thoroughly adept at generating human-like conversations, composing or summarizing essays and research reports. It can write complex code, create graphs and charts, read and summarize emails, write clever poems and can even compose songs and melodies. It can translate into or from nearly one-hundred languages. It solves complicated problems and can generate ideas for new products that have several times more potential than those proposed by some of the brightest college students (
    
  
  
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                    For pastors, needing help in sermon preparation, ChatGPT boasts that it can do everything from being your research assistant to creating discussion questions based on your sermon. It also seems to know pastors so well that it anticipates your objections to such shortcuts and adds this disclaimer. “While ChatGPT can be a valuable tool, it should complement a pastor’s own study, prayer, and discernment, as it is not a substitute for the spiritual guidance required in sermon preparation.” Good catch ChatGPT!
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                    You might cringe at the thought of doing such a thing today but in June of 2023, the first AI generated sermon was given to 300 eager congregants in a church in Fürth, Germany. Like Samuel B. Morse’s first words transmitted over the telegraph, (“What hath God wrought?”) the figure on the screen spoke clearly. “Dear friends, it is an honor for me to stand here and preach to you as the first artificial intelligence at this year’s convention of Protestants in Germany” (
    
  
  
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                    AI can produce a massive amount of value for a minimum effort. AI is the “elegant solution” that engineers dream of—a maximum return for a minimum of effort. If “value” is the difference between the cost of creating something and the benefit of that creation then ChatGPT could be the ultimate value creator of all time. But won’t ChatGPT displace workers? Of course it will but think of this differently. When one engineer can do the work of 10 engineers surely the other nine engineers can also do the work of nine other engineers and more and more value is created collectively at a lesser cost. AI dramatically reduces the time and cost of creative production. So, if currently you are spending 20 hours a week in sermon preparation, and with ChatGPT you could reduce that time to 15 hours. What might you do with those extra 5 hours a week to make life better for someone else? What if you tasked your team to figure out ways ChatGPT could save them 8 hours a week and then use those 8 hours, not to do more church work but to actually meet with people in your church and make disciples? Life’s getting better already.
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                    That’s what you really want to know isn’t it? ChatGPT is goal-oriented but lacks a moral compass. It simply uses available input to guess what comes next based on the massive amounts of pre-trained data it has access to. As our pocket-protector wearing friends like to say with a smile, “Garbage In, Garbage Out. GIGO!” Now get this, at the turn of the last century knowledge doubled about every hundred years. In 1949 knowledge was doubling roughly every 25 years. So having a set of Encyclopedias and maybe a subscription to National Geographic was a solid investment. Today knowledge doubles at least every day (
    
  
  
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                    Don’t reinvent what’s already been discovered. Jesus put it this way: “Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor” (John 4:38). What can we do to reap the benefit of those horn-rimmed engineers, hunkered over their black-screened monitors who “have done the hard work?” Check out Isaiah 54:16: “See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work.” If God is the one who creates the skillful blacksmith, it’s not out of field goal range to say that he is also the one who is the source of technological advances. Luther knew that. He wrote, “Printing (the absolute cutting technology of the day) is the ultimate gift of God and the greatest one” (
    
  
  
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                    If you want to see how folks thought about AI in 1966 go to Youtube and watch Lost In Space: "War of the Robots" Season 1 Episode 20. So good. All that to say that you should use ChatGPT with at least a bit of skepticism. 
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                    Here are a few examples of what your Church's Digital Ministry can do this winter to support and encourage people. 
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                    Over the winter when people tend to stay indoors more because of the cold. Counter the tendency for people to disconnect by posting consistently on your social platforms (both Stories and Feed), emails and websites that encourages connection and get togethers. It could be an online or in person connection. Share pictures and posts of small groups gathered together, people having coffee or meeting up, ministry teams planning events that are getting ready to happen and other encouragement of how people can get connected during the winter months. Creating and sharing devotionals that encourage connectedness can also be very encouraging.  
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                    With seasonal depression happening over the winter months, sharing some mental health resources or counseling support can help people feel encouraged and equipped for when they encounter a tough day(s). Also, if you have a counselor on staff or have a one that you can recommend, share that so that people can connect with him or her if needed. 
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                    Christmas time is usually a time of joy. However, once Christmas turns into the New Years with a few more months of colder temperatures and darker days, that joy may wain. The great news is that the good news of Jesus and the HOPE found in Him doesn't not change. Use platforms like YouTube, podcasts, TikTok, and Instagram to regularly encourage them in Christ. Create devotionals or encouragement for people that will reveal our hope in Christ. You can even do specific winter themes addressing some of the issues people deal with and encounter during these months. 
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                    This winter, use your church’s digital ministry to combat isolation and encourage people with community in a variety of ways.
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                    In 2016, the Nokia CEO shared that Nokia was being acquired by Microsoft. This sums up my concern for the American church’s large Sunday gathering model. So many pastors of thousands of churches (avg 4,500 per year) that close every year are saying this same thing.
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      “During the press conference to announce NOKIA being acquired by Microsoft, Nokia CEO ended his speech saying this “we didn’t do anything wrong, but somehow, we lost”. Upon saying that, all his management team, himself included, teared sadly. Nokia has been a respectable company. They didn’t do anything wrong in their business, however, the world changed too fast. Their opponents were too powerful. They missed out on learning, they missed out on changing, and thus they lost the opportunity at hand to make it big. Not only did they miss the opportunity to earn big money, they lost their chance of survival. The message of this story is, if you don’t change, you shall be removed from the competition. It’s not wrong if you don’t want to learn new things. However, if your thoughts and mindset cannot catch up with time, you will be eliminated.
    
  
    
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                    THIS ladies and gentlemen is what we call a cultural blind spot. If you’ve been in my EQ training you’ve heard about personal, team, organizational, and cultural blind spots.
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    A cultural blind spot is when you are blind to the cultural shifts and trends affecting your business, customers/clients, and efficacy of your methods. And being oblivious to these shifts you don’t make necessary changes and continue with business as usual until you can’t anymore. You no longer have the resources to stay afloat. The money is gone, the people are gone, and it’s over.
  

  
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    For 2024, some churches need to look HARD at transitioning to a house church model; it will multiply your ministry and impact, while decreasing your expenses AND look more like the church in Acts.
  

  
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                    If you’re interested in exploring what that looks like to move in that direction and need help with your transition, reach out to me and let’s talk.
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      So, I stepped down from The Church Digital, installing new leadership on the way out the door. I resigned from the fractional leadership roles I had with other organizations. I returned to the drawing board to create a new business model and, more importantly, a new mindset moving forward. I now recognize how much pride was invading my life, which was the core of many things that were off in my being.
    
  
  
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      Thanks to The Church Digital leadership, Bernie Mapili, Andy Mage, Jason Morris, and Leighton Seys, for stepping into leadership in difficult situations. In 2023, I planned for The Church Digital to extend leadership to these guys anyway. We just fast-tracked them into their roles. I was not planning on releasing control of The Church Digital to Bernie pre-break, but I am glad I did. If you don’t know Bernie, you should take the opportunity to have a conversation. Bernie is new to many in the TCD family, but his passion for digital ministry, for digital churches, is incredible. Bernie, a successful Christian businessman, is operating to his strengths. He complements the team very well and has made a major difference in the organization in a very short amount of time.
    
  
  
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      So, I said I was coming back. What does that mean? You’ll see my blogs, podcasts, and streams again for The Church Digital. But really, you’ll see me working in the background, networking, and casting vision with other organizations about partnering with us. TCD leadership did a great job without me. No reason for me to force my way back in. Bernie will continue to lead the organization as CEO, with Andy Mage operating as COO. It’s my job to serve this organization well and see the idea of Digital Discipleship, Digital/Metaverse Church Planting, and Digital Missionaries flourish.
    
  
  
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      At a personal level, please continue to pray for me. At my last doctor’s appointment, I was told I am no longer in the diabetic range (which is a huge win to overcome so quickly), but the nerve pain in my feet and legs is increasing drastically. It seems the medicine is losing effectiveness. Pray that the doctors figure out how best to treat this situation before permanent damage occurs.
    
  
  
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                    As you end one year and get ready to start a new year, evaluating what has been working and what hasn't will go a long with how you advance in your digital ministry in the future. Take time to evaluate your website content, email newsletters, social platforms and overall online presence. Evaluate what content and pages are connecting with people and which is not. As you evaluate, make adjustments to your online content so you can continue to do what is working and stop or phase out what is not. 
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    Digital ministry is a great tool to help people stay encouraged in the faith and pursue God daily. Take time to evaluate what was working well (and not so well), create new goals and create content and encouragement that is consistent and sharable so that more and more people may be encouraged in their faith through your digital ministry efforts.
  

  
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Does praying through texting really count as prayer at all? 
The From Text To Testimony crew dives into the transformative power of digital prayer and its significance in today's virtual landscape. Join hosts Jon, Andy, and Megan as they explore the intricate dynamics of intercessory prayer in the digital realm and its profound impact on mental health. 

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                    This Christmas, many of you recognize that "all is well." You've found joy in the manger, acknowledging that our Savior has come. For some of you, hope may be difficult as you've lost patience in affliction. To you, the ones who have lost joy or have no hope, my prayer is that you will be patient in your difficulties and take the time to pray. Ask God to provide patience with your situation, whatever they're grounded in. Pray for joy to be rekindled and faith restored.
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There are a lot of Church Management Systems (CMS) out there. While a lot of them are good, they often are not complete. Enter Amplify from Ministry Brands. See how this one complete solution and empower healthy churches to connect, engage, and grow their ministry.
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    Christmas is a very busy time of year. And while ministers will have to work more hours, there are intentional things you can do to find rest. Make sure you guard your spiritual, physical and emotional health and find time to rest. The more effective you can guard your time and rest during this time, the longer you will be effective and last in ministry. 
  

  
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In this heartfelt episode of From Text To Testimony, we explore the profound impact of the pandemic on our collective mental health. Tune in as we delve deep into how to navigate the complex emotions of the holiday season. 

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                    Whether its on social media, a blog post, in a Church service, email newsletter or in some other way, spotlighting your volunteers in some way will go a long way for them to feel appreciated and honored. A lot of volunteers love to serve in secret as they are giving to the Lord, not for worldly recognition. However, people always feel appreciated when they get some sort of recognition for their service. It doesn't have to be a full length email, blog post or social media highlight, but something to let them know that you appreciate what they are doing. 
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    These are five different ways you can choose to appreciate you volunteer team during the Christmas season. You can do some of these, all of these or none of these. After all, there are a variety of other opportunities for you. See what works best for your team and do that. The main encouragement and challenge here is to use the holiday season and the festivities that are a natural part of it to appreciate the team of people that are so important to you and the ministry. The more creative and specific you cam make it to the team the more effective it will be and inspiring for the volunteers to keep going hard into the new year. And, the more inspired and encouraged they are headed into the new year, the more potential impact your ministry has.
  

  
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                    The holiday season is upon us, which means the end of the year is fast approaching. For many churches, this is one of the most crucial times for fundraising and collecting year-end donations. As parishioners reflect on the past year and look ahead to the new one, it's the perfect opportunity for churches to encourage generosity and giving back.
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    Your Church does great stuff all throughout the year. That is why it is important to remind people of all the good works your church has done over the past year. Remind them of the impact they are having by giving sacrificially to the Church and how your Church is doing good with it.  Share specific stories and testimonies about the lives changed and the good that is happening. This will inspire continued giving.
  

  
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    Rather than just asking for just general donations, set tangible financial goals for end of year giving. This could be aiming to raise a certain amount to fund a new program, purchase needed equipment, support an upcoming mission trip, etc. When people can see exactly where their dollars will go, they're more likely to give.
  

  
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    When people see that not only will their giving help, but that it can be doubled by a matching offer, that inspires generosity even more. Encourage extra generosity by offering to match all gifts received before December 31st, up to a specified amount. This creates a sense of urgency and allows donors to double their impact.
  

  
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    Encourage generosity by throwing a special event for your Church and your community to rally around. You can have a elegant dinner gala and silent auction. Or you can even have a simple spgatehtti dinner and charity event. You can charge admission and encourage further donations.  
    
  
    
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    Giving a spiritual act of worship. As. you share about end of year giving, remind people that giving is a way to grow spiritually. It is an act of sacrifice and generosity. It's important to not use this as a way to manipulate people that if they do this they will grow in their faith automatically. Rather, encourage them to give as a way to stretch them in their faith. 
  

  
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                    With some creative thinking and planning, your churches can make the most out of end of year giving and generosity. Make sure you personalize your approach based on the people who attend your Church and what motivates them to give. The holidays are the perfect time for people to give back. Prayerfully go before God and ask Him to guide you and the people in your Church. 
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      <title>5 Online Ministry Insights from November 2023</title>
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                    November is often a month associated with being thankful. We give thank for the different blessings in our lives as we spend time with friends and family. While we give thanks, it can sometimes be hard keeping up-to-date on all the new digital and online ministry trends and happenings. That is where 
    
  
  
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  Digital Relationships ARE Real Relationships

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  There are LOTS of Ministry Opportunities in INSTAGRAM

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                    Instagram is not in the news much these days. Twitter/X, TikTok, YouTube and the Metavese steal all the headlines. However, Instagram still has over 2 billion monthly active users. There is still a ton of ministry opportunities for Digital Missionaries on the platform. Read about the different opportunities 
    
  
  
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                    Virtual Reality has been out for a number of years and the Metaverse has been the talk of the town since Meta started investing heavily in it. However, it's not too late for you to get started doing metaverse ministry. In fact, Stuart McPherson shares many different ways you and your Church can get started doing ministry in the metaverse in this 
    
  
  
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                    James 1:17 says that every good thing and blessing comes from God. At The Church Digital, we are firm believers in that. Big or small, we have all been blessed by God. See what we are thankful for in this blog post today. And, share with us below what you are thankful for this holiday season.  
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                    Smartphones have developed and advanced so much since their introduction in the 1990s. Yes, you read that right, smartphones have been out for decades now. While most people have an iPhone, Pixel or Galaxy smartphones these days, IBM is attributed with the first smartphone in 1992, 
    
  
  
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                    With smartphone technology advancing so rapidly, ministers beyond creative and social media mangers have used these devices to further reach people for Christ. In particular, high end smartphones have become so powerful and versatile that they have separated themselves from other entry-level smartphones. They are powerful devices.
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                    One major appeal of premium phones is their exceptional camera quality. High end camera sensors, wide aperture lenses, and advanced software result in incredibly detailed, sharp photos and videos. Features like optical image stabilization and multiple lenses give you the flexibility to capture great shots in any conditions. The quality difference between budget and premium phone cameras is substantial.
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                    High end smartphones pack the latest, fastest processors and have upwards of 12GB of RAM. This translates to super smooth performance with no lag when multitasking, gaming, or using demanding apps. Everything loads lightning fast. Premium performance will keep your phone running like new even after years of use.
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                    Flagship smartphone displays boast crisp details, vibrant colors, great brightness, and buttery smooth refresh rates up to 120Hz for seamless scrolling and animations. High resolution OLED screens make everything look fantastic, from web pages to videos to artwork. You'll get an immersive visual experience.
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                    Higher end smartphones often get the latest OS updates for 4-5 years or more than regular or budget phones. This allows you to access new features and security updates longer than most. Budget phones typically get left behind after a couple years. Buying a high end device means it will feel fresh for longer.
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      Today's ministry leaders are investing more time with digital ministry. It's part of the transformation as we adapt with the times. While there are many different smartphones out there that will help you in your digital ministry efforts, if you want a phone that delivers excellent performance, cameras, displays, software support, and design, high end smartphones are worth the investment. Check them out today. 
    
  
  
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                    Christmas is coming up quickly! This joyous time of year provides a great opportunity for your Church to connect with your local and online community. One of the best ways to do that and spread awareness of what is coming up with Christmas events and services is through your church website.  
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                    Around the holidays, people often have questions about events and other ways to connect. Make sure you have the correct contact information of all the necessary staff or volunteers in charge of the different events. It could be phone numbers and/or email addresses, whichever your Church prefers to make available. You could even include photos and bios of those staffers involved. This will go a long way in helping newcomers know who to contact and connect with.
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Digital is here to stay. So, how do you incorporate it into your ministry? And, what elements of digital do you incorporate and what do you hold off on? To talk about this is Christopher Wesley. He will share some perspective that will help any ministry leader as they look at incorporating digital into their ministry. 


 
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Share your thoughts! What are the areas of leadership that you grow most from? Where do you need to invest more time into? Share below or on Twitter by reaching out to Tom.
If you want to connect with Chris, you can a few different ways.  He’s on Twitter/X, has an awesome blog with tons of great insights each week. To read the article we discussed, click here. In addition you can learn more about and sign up for the Marathon Youth Ministry University as well.



Join the Digital Bootcamp Facebook Group to learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. This is for ALL Ministers, not just Church Communicators or Social Media Managers.


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Andy and our newest host Megan, a mental health coach and pastor with a knack for guiding people through their next steps, sit down to chat about these questions, and more. They dive deep into the heart of mental health – a subject close to Megan's heart – discussing anxiety, depression, and the power that comes from sharing these experiences. 
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Do you think digital ministry resources can effectively address mental health issues? Jon and Andy dive deep into the topic of mental health in ministry. 
With their years of combined experience and a down-to-earth approach, they discuss the importance of addressing mental health and providing support to those in need. 
This podcast is your guide to navigating the complexities of mental health within the context of faith and ministry.
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      <description>While VR and the Metaverse has been around for a while now, doing ministry in those areas is not always clear. What can you do and not do? That is why Stuart McPherson joins Tom on the podcast today. Stuart has been doing ministry in the metaverse for years and has a new book out about how you can start doing Metaverse ministry today.
You can find Stuart's book, "Your Church In VR: How To Plant A Church In Virtual Reality" on Amazon.
Subscribe: Apple Podcast | Android | Spotify | RSS 


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Share your thoughts! What do you think? Share below or on social media by connecting with Tom.


If you want to connect with Stuart you can find him on Twitter/X. You can also check out his podcast "Metaverse Church" and his blog. 


Join the Digital Bootcamp Facebook Group. To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. This is for ALL Ministers, not just Church Communicators or Social Media Managers as we share resources, tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.


Looking for Digital Ministry Coaching? The Church Digital is offering a variety of digital, phygital or metaverse ministry coaching and cohorts. Just click here. 


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Are you struggling to bridge the gap and effectively communicate with the next generation in our digital world? 
Our From Text To Testimony hosts tackle this, and more, in this eye-opening conversation. Join Jon and Andy as they discover the fascinating truth of texting, as well as the unique challenges and opportunities it presents when talking about Jesus with younger generations. 
From deciphering abbreviations to embracing God's timing, this episode offers practical insights and heartfelt stories to help you connect with the digital natives in your life. 
Don't miss out on this down-to-earth conversation that will inspire and equip you to effectively communicate and love the next generation. 
Join the Being the Church, Digitally Facebook Group. To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. We share tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.
Looking for a Coach or Guide to help you with social media and other digital ministry tools? Take this quick survey and connect today. </description>
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How can you build a digital relationship through something like texting and messaging? 
Jon and Andy attempt to answer that today in our newest episode of From Text To Testimony as they delve into the world of building digital relationships. 
As millennials who grew up with the internet, they share their personal experiences and insights on using screen names, earning the right to have conversations, and the importance of community groups. 
Discover practical tips on creating meaningful connections in the digital age and hear how to navigate the challenges of digital interactions. 
This episode explores the ups and downs of forming relationships online and how they can turn into ministry. 
Join the Being the Church, Digitally Facebook Group. To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. We share tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.
Looking for a Coach or Guide to help you with social media and other digital ministry tools? Take this quick survey and connect today. </description>
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In our very FIRST episode of "From Text To Testimony," Jon and Andy delve into the art of communicating with the unchurched using Gloo. Explorers come from all walks of life, but are more and more being seen with unchurched or dechurched backgrounds. 
They share insightful tips on building trust and credibility when reaching out to those who may be skeptical or unfamiliar with religious content. 
Join them as they recount real-life stories, offer practical takeaways, and emphasize the importance of understanding the needs and questions of the unchurched before sharing Bible verses. 
Discover how text conversations can become a powerful tool for connecting with real people and understanding their struggles. If you're passionate about bridging the gap between the church and the unchurched, this episode is a must-listen!
Join the Being the Church, Digitally Facebook Group. To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. We share tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.
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Today, Jason shares about flipping the mindset in our digital ministry efforts. Let's not invite people to "come" to our stuff. Let's "GO" to their stuff. Let's "GO" to their communities and encourage people for Christ. "GO" today. 
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https://youtube.com/shorts/WnSnUCnCVbo 
https://youtu.be/AxylTdpwGaQ




 
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Jason is a great resource. He’s on Twitter/X with resources and great insights. 

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                    While it is still a mess, the reality is it has always been a mess. I have often referred to it as a beautiful train wreck. People can connect there, but it can also be a place of conflict and hostility. That is why I believe that Twitter/X is the perfect place for Digital Missionaries to hang out at.  
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                    While some may argue that Twitter/X's relevancy is declining, dismissing this powerful platform would be a mistake for digital missionaries aiming to advance the Gospel. When leveraged strategically, Twitter/X can help digital missionaries spread the good news of Christ to millions of people from all over the world. far and wide, connecting with people they may not reach otherwise. With a thoughtful and strategic effort, Twitter/X remains an impactful platform for expanding spiritual conversations.
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                    The atmosphere and environment that happens during the playoffs of any sport is amazing. The fans of the home team is loud and they cheer passionately. The environment you are in matters. An environment full of energy, encouragement and excitement is so much better than that of disappointment and despair, Whether it is an in-person or online environment and community, creating a positive, uplifting, Christ-centered community is important and matters.
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                    Digital missionaries have an opportunity to provide uplifting and encouraging perspective online during the Halloween season. What you share through words, pictures and videos can offer light and hope during a time often marked by darkness and worry. Use these verses as ways to spread hope, joy and Godly truth today.. 
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                    For modern churches, adopting online tools and technologies has become an essential part of smoothly running operations, engaging congregants, and spreading their message. With church attendance declining in recent years, leveraging the connectivity of the internet can help revive community participation and assist churches in fulfilling their missions.
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                    It happens regularly. I meet a pastor. As soon as he friends or follows me on social media, the bragging, rants, or pretending begins. I hide my new friend because I just can’t deal with it. 
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                    Why does this matter?  The pastor’s social media use is getting in the way of his ministry.
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                    This is still new territory for all of us. I got my first social media account 16 years ago when Facebook was just got college students, and I still feel I am trying to figure out the best way to use all of this.  I didn’t post on social media for six months earlier this year while I tried to figure out how I wanted to use social media. I started posting a few things, deleting a few, figuring out what worked for me and what didn’t work.
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                    Is the post boasting or presenting life better than it really is? You can post a picture of your kids playing in a leaf pile, but is it real or staged? Does this show the real life that you live or the one you want people to think you live?
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                    We joke in our house about social media posts where moms wear flowing dresses while they carry laundry through the house. They have a professional photographer available all the time. Or Dad has a staged video session where he shows how he makes pancakes for his kids on his day off and does tricks with the eggs while he does it.
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                    Pastors do this by only posting baptisms, amazing stories, or the high points of their ministry. If your social media only shows victory, then you are teaching your church members and other pastors that Christianity is only victory, never endurance. It is only pleasure, never suffering. That is fake Christianity.
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                    Pastor, share your real life. Not every gory detail or anything that makes others look bad but the real stuff.
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                    Does this bring the people in your church closer to your life or make you stand out as more special? This one is hard because the big name pastors that you follow likely show their travels, conferences, dinners, etc. For the regular pastor, that is not the life of the people in your church and showing off separates you from people. 
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                    Instead of posting what makes you better, post things that allow people to learn what you are interested in and spend time on. I’m a gardener. Our family loves board games. We go to parks and for walks a lot. When I share those things from my real life, people ask how my blueberries are doing. They tell me how they love to see us out for walks in the neighborhood. That kind of social media brings people closer to us because they live those same kinds of lives.
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                    I was a personal trainer and love kettlebells. If I show my workouts, though, then that distances me from a lot of people. I save discussions about training and kettlebells for my personal website where people come by choice if they are interested in me or what I’m interested in. That is the difference between using social media to bring people into our lives rather than stand out.
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                    I know a pastor whose social media makes it look like pastoring means going to baseball games and going on cruises. That is not the life of the single parent working two jobs who lives down the street from your church. Don’t distance yourself from her.
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                    What you write might be true, but is it helpful at this moment? Social media (or any speech) should not be for getting things off your chest. It shouldn't be a firehose where you share everything you think. Is this what your people need to hear at the moment?
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                    Just because something is true doesn’t mean it will build up your church right now. Titus 2:11-12 tells us that God’s grace trains us. Your post on what dying churches look like might be true, but is it God’s grace training and bringing life to your church? Or is it condemnation and shame trying to fix other people on our schedule, rather than God’s?
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                    Too many pastors blast their church members with truth bombs that they found somewhere online. Pastor, use your platform to help the weak and bring grace to them.
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                    I always ask my older kids for their permission before posting a picture of them. I did that recently and my son asked me why I wanted to post that picture. I couldn’t think of a good explanation, so I decided that I shouldn’t post it if I didn’t have a good reason.  
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                    I think that is a good rule of thumb. If we cannot explain to someone, especially a child, what our reason and goal is, then it is not worth posting. 
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                    These four questions would weed out a lot of bad pastor posts. More than that, I think it would help our ministries bring God’s grace to more people. 
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                    Churches have changed a lot over the years. No longer are we meeting exclusively in stone cathedrals and singing hymnals. Rather, churches are in meeting in school, barns, coffee shops and even bars today. In addition, technology has opened up new possibilities for Churches. Technology allows Churches to connect with regular attendees and reach new people every day of the week, not just on Sundays. 
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                    Before Covid hit, there were still plenty of Churches that did not have an online giving platform or option for their Church attendees. However, that has mostly changed. In today's world, online giving is becoming more of the norm for many churches. Offering convenient online donation options can benefit both your members and further the work of your ministry. 
    
  
  
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                    For many people who attend your Church, especially younger generations, managing finances digitally is the norm. People way with their phones all the time and use bill payment systems to pay bills even more today than ever before. That is why when you enable online giving options it helps align your Church with how everyone already conducts business and engage with organizations. Providing an online giving platform makes donating easily accessible for more people.
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                    With today's busy schedules, people will appreciate the flexibility of being able to donate to your Church anytime they want or whenever they think about it from their computer or mobile device. Donating online is common these days and fits seamlessly into today's lifestyles, allowing people to give intentionally and regularly even when they can't make it to a Sunday service.
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                    In addition to giving through your church website, there are other popular platforms that people use and are comfortable with. Find out which giving platforms people at your Church use and utilize them. The more donation access points you provide, the simpler contributing can be for people at your Church.
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                    With an online giving platform, you enable attendees to set up recurring weekly, monthly or annual donations taken directly from their account or credit card. This promotes consistent stewardship and helps the church budget reliably. Attendees appreciate the convenience of not needing to remember to give each week. They can simply click "recurring donation" and know that they will be consistently giving. 
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                    A key benefit for Churches in having an online giving platform is having the ability gaining access to data like trends in giving, attendee engagement and activity. Being able to monitor online analytics can provide insights on opportunities to improve the giving experience and share stories of impact that inspire continued generosity.
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                    With Halloween being on the 31st, the month of October is often associated with fear. The month is full scary stories, movies and tv shows that keep people jumping out of their seats. It can be a terrifying month for people.
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                    The month of October can be terrifying for people and families. Use a variety of digital, online and phygitial outlets to encourage people at your Church and in your community with hope, courage and stories of faith this month.
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                    The Fall season brings new opportunities for your Church to engage with your community. For your digital and online ministry, one of the best ways to do that is through social media. Social media allows you to connect and encourage people each and every day. If you are looking for fun ideas, here are 
    
  
  
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      <title>Digital Ministry Is Worth It</title>
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    Digital ministry is like that computer sitting in the corner of your office. The one that’s handling all of your files and acting as a server. It’s not flashy, but it’s vital to what you’re doing in your daily life. It’s not a brand new iPhone. It’s a tried-and-true Linux machine steadily humming away, getting the job done.
    
  
    
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    And because it’s not flashy, we too often run into leaders above us in organizations and churches that don’t want to invest in digital. Most of the time this is not out of ill-will or malice, but simply out of ignorance or wanting to follow the next ministry “splash” with children’s ministry or worship.
    
  
    
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    Digital ministry is worth my dollars. It’s worth YOUR dollars. And if you’re like me and you’re reading this, then you probably already know the impact that we can have on an Internet that is vast, wide, scary, and pretty much untamed. This is the time for the church itself to get involved. To show a waiting, watching world that we have a message of hope, peace, salvation, grace, and love. 
    
  
    
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                    With just your smartphone, some intuitive editing software, and a few inexpensive gear purchases like microphones and lighting, you can start creating quality videos for your online ministry. Focus on your message and don’t worry about perfection. Making video content is an ongoing learning process. The important thing is to start!  
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                    Artificial intelligence (AI) has become embedded in our everyday lives, powering technologies like facial recognition, digital assistants, self-driving cars, and more. But how does it actually work under the hood? Here’s a beginner’s guide to the fundamentals behind AI.
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                    The more quality data the algorithm trains on, the more accurate it becomes at tasks like classification and prediction. Deep learning uses neural networks with many layers that can extract higher-level features from the data. Convolutional neural networks are common for computer vision, while recurrent neural networks are used for natural language processing.
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                    The results produced by the neural network are then evaluated for accuracy. If mistakes are found, the algorithm is retrained to improve. This iterative process allows AIs to keep evolving independently just through exposure to new data.
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                    While AI may seem mystifying, its fundamental mechanisms can be understood with some basic knowledge of machine learning algorithms, neural networks, and training data. AI offers immense opportunities, but also risks if improperly implemented. As it increasingly shapes our world, having literacy in how AI systems function will be key.
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                    Instagram Stories have quickly become one of the most popular social media features out there. In fact, Instagram CEO, Adam Mosseri, has said that Stories is valued higher than the Feed section. This is where there is a true opportunities for churches and ministries on Instagram. Stories provide a fun, casual way to connect with your community in the moment. 
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                    Instagram's Explore &amp;amp; Search page includes hashtag and location stories which allows you to add a hashtag or location sticker to a story. That means that other users will be able to find it if they search that hashtag or location. It's a great opportunity to reach a lot of new and undiscovered audiences.  And if they like what they see, they might even start to follow you.
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                    As with every social media plastron, Instagram will continue to tweak it’s algorithm and make changes. As it does that, use it as an opportunity to make adjustments, try new things and create deeper connections. Instagram Stories are still a great way for you to connect with people in your online and IRL community. Maximize your strategy and reach today on Instagram. 
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                    With the fall season comes new opportunities for your Church to engage with your community. This is not just for your Church community but for your local and online community as well. One of the best ways to do that is through social media. Social media allows you to connect and encourage people each and every day. 
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                    Just like any other season during the year, the fall provides unique opportunities for your Church to engage your community. Social media is the perfect way to do that. Here are twelve simple posts you can make and even expand on that will engage, encourage and bring a smile throughout the fall season. 
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                    AI has made a lot of news over the past year, as it is still relatively new to the general public. Many people are just now really beginning to understand how to use it. These are six of the leading AI tools currently. If you have not tried one of these out yet, try them out and see what you can do with it. AI will continue to adapt and evolve, so keep trying it out and see how your Church or ministry can maximize its today.
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                    There has been a lot of talk about the Metaverse over the past few years. The Church has even explored many ways to use the metaverse for ministry purpose. However, many Churches still only see the metaverse as a platform for digital outreach. While building relationships and sharing about Christ in the metaverse is important, there’s so much more that churches can do to engage people and build community in the metaverse..
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                    The opportunities within the metaverse are expansive. It doesn't have to be limited to just outreach. Pick and choose different ways of the five highlighted above to use it. That way you can reach and equip more people for Christ. 
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                    The subject line is the first thing people will see. That is why it is important to get straight to the point and make them memorable. You can include information  such as "Bible Study Group this Tuesday at 7 pm" or ask a question such as "Did you enjoy last week's message?" The more you can make the curious, the more likely they will open it. It's important to note that subject lines over 50 characters get cut off on mobile, so make the short, as well. 
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                    People don't want to feel like they are just one of many. They want something personal. That is why it would be great to use merge fields to include recipient names when possible. In addition, segment your email lists. Not everyone on your list needs to get an email about the youth ministry or singles group. Organize them (segment) according to groups, campuses, ministries or serving roles. Sure, you will have church-wide emails you will need to send out, but most of your emails can be cemented and personalized to ensure people open and read them. 
    
  
  
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                    This has more to do with making sure your next email gets opened and read. Here you are teasing something in the future. For instance, at the end of the email you can say something like, "Next week, I’ll send information about our next big event." This gives them a reason to anticipate and re-engage with your next email. IT doesn't have to be much, just a simple teaser. 
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                    It can be really easy to include tons of information and tons of calls to action in every email you send. When you include too many calls to action it can seem overwhelming and could confuse people as to what you want them to do. That is why it is important to limit the email to just one action and help it stand out visually with color, size, borders, placement.
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                    I think that one of the significant issues that church and ministry leaders have is making the best use of time. As a leader myself, it may seem like there's not enough time to do all the things that that we are passionate about or that we believe are God-given initiatives. In our current climate, we are being confronted with so much uncertainty, which often requires more from us in terms of leadership, and how we work to be an answer to varying needs. Therefore, we’re applying more effort and energy, and yet having to manage the same 24 hours in a day. Obviously, as Spirit-led leaders, we want, and should want to operate supernaturally. However, on a daily basis, the common experience may be that things become quite blurry, so we may not know where we may actually just be overreaching, doing too much, or pressuring ourselves to get things done in an unreasonable fashion.
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                    Many of us are using technology to our advantage, which I think is a good thing. What can be counter productive is if we are not learning how to use it effectively, or if we continue in unreasonable patterns of functioning. Sometimes tech can have us multitasking unsuccessfully because our mindset about how to lead may not have changed with the tech upgrade. We do need to take the time to stop and to ask ourselves if our current form of leadership is still effective or even if it is applicable for the times that we're in. It is good to be able to pause (just for 30 mins in your day!) to assess church or ministry activities. If we find that there are more significant things that need attention, or areas to maximise capacity, it may mean that the current method of ministry operations needs to be reviewed.
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                    As a Ieader, I absolutely love exploring digital tools, and have my own ‘tech stack’ to help me work more effectively, and to be more strategic with my time. One thing I do enjoy, although it is sometimes very confronting, is setting up digital tools to help me to see clearly the different things I’m doing or involved in. This causes me to be more scrutinous about my schedule, and if I’m being realistic about what I want to accomplish. Using digital tools as a productivity aid allows me to see the level of energy or time that certain tasks require before I can think about taking on anything else. I think this approach contributes to the quality of being an effective leader. The world around us is relying more on the digital space for accessing essential services such as banking, paying bills and ordering food. I’d like to suggest that for us as church and ministry leaders, that we should also be looking to utilise digital tools so that we can make better use of our time. It will help us to be more mindful of when we may be taking on too much, even to the point of being able to identify the onset of potential burnout.
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                    I have also used it for tracking progress for one-to-one discipleship sessions. It’s been a good solution for engaging with believers who are new to the faith or to create content for those who need encouragement about specific matters. Notion is a note-taking app, but it is quite versatile and has lots of design options. I’ve used it to create a discipleship template about biblical topics that are being explored. I can then provide access to the person being discipled to participate on Notion by adding their thoughts or comments in real time. It’s also been good for other ‘life areas’ such as goal setting and and storing useful Christian resources. I find it an invaluable tool to use for ministry purposes. I also love the fact that when using it, I'm not only imparting spiritual principles, but I’m also helping the disciple learn a new skill and become more digitally literate. Notion is used by some major companies across the globe, which means that it can be useful in the areas of work and business. A few years ago, I even developed and facilitated a 3-month business program all within Notion!
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                    Psalm 90:12 is a great base to apply to our lives about the importance of taking stock of time, and how we spend it. There are also numerous places in the Bible that refer to the importance of being good stewards of our resources. As leaders, we must bear in mind that one of our most precious resources is time. I’d like to suggest that it is well worth Christian leaders to make room to evaluate if time is being spent well within ministry endeavours, and if there are options to do things differently. This could be a simple exercise of exploration around ideas to do things in a more time-efficient manner. In some faith corners, Christians are known to say that ‘God is doing a new thing’, but we can often miss the practical application. Perhaps God may be leading some of us to become more familiar with digital tools that will aid ministry activity, develop engaging discipleship and more. There are many other digital tools besides Notion that can be useful. It’s just a matter of being open to explore and learn.
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                    As leaders, I don't think that we ever stop growing. We are subject to so many experiences and insights on our leadership journey, especially as we seek to serve those that we work alongside with and those that we are leading. From my own experience, taking the opportunity to review how ministry activities can become more time effective does lead to maximised energy and even the restoration of focus and drive in ministry. Digital tools like Notion are just an productivity aid but can also prove to be a good and viable solution for effective Christian leadership.
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      <description>Aa follow up from his last video, Jason talks about Matthew 28:19-20. In the Greek text, "go" is passive. However, make disciples is not. It is non-negotiable. We are called to make disciples. Not only that, but we are called to go and make disciples as a team. What does that look like? Jason shares ways you can do that today.



 
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                    The Church's mission is to love, serve and share the love of Jesus with their community. With social media being such a huge part of our daily lives, it presents a great opportunity for the Church and youth ministries to minister and serve the community. After all, as great as it is for teenagers to connect with others and build friendships online, there is also cautions that they need to be aware of. There are dangers that teens, tweens and families need to know about and navigate through. 
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                    Today's teens and tweens have only ever known a life with social media. It is a very important part of their life, as they use it as a way to connect with others. However, it is not the only way they can connect with others. As a youth ministry leader, help them and their families navigate how they can use social media appropriately. The more you can partner with families, the more helpful you will be to the long term health and mental development of teens. 
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                    Years ago, after the 2016 election, Facebook made major changes to what kind of content they were gonna let people see. While they boasted the most people on any social media platform, they wanted to drag down the reach of "Pages" and increase the reach of "Groups" and encourage people to talk to people. 
    
  
  
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                    Because of the changes they made, your Facebook Page for your church will not be seen nearly enough by the people who like it. In fact, stats show that it is about 10% of the people who like your Page will actually see your content. With the stats so low, it is even harder for your Church to reach people who don't even know about your Page. But, all is not lost. There are ways for people to see your Church's Facebook Page.
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                    While it may seem frustrating at times to get people coming to your Church's Facebook Page, it is still possible. After all, Facebook has the most active monthly users. There is a lot of potential there still to reach more people with the hope of Christ. Keep examining and analyzing what is working on your Page and seek to do more of it while also experimenting with new ideas such as Reels and live videos. The more you can do that, the greater the chances are that you can get more people coming to your Church's Facebook Page.
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      <description>AI has taken over the world. While not literally, definitely figuratively. From schools to professionals, everyone is looking into how they can use it in their context. And the same applies to ministers and Churches. What should the Church and ministers do with AI? That is why Mark MacDonald is on the podcast today. 
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                    There are a lot of video platforms your Church can and should use. While TikTok, Instagram Reels and YouTube are some of the most popular platforms to engage in, YouTube is still probably the most important. One reason is because it is the second most powerful search engine behind only Google. Secondly, it boasts over 2 billion monthly logged-in users. The huge audience provides opportunities for you to reach a large amount of people. The opportunities and potential are immense.
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                    So how do you increase watch time on your Church's YouTube videos so that your Church can reach more people with the gospel? Here are 5 tips:
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                    YouTube's algorithm favors longer watch times. The more people watch your videos, the more likely your videos will be shared and promoted on YouTube. It's important to analyze your audience retention reports and continually refine your content. What world today may not work tomorrow. Keep enhancing your videos with aspects like pacing, structure, and engagement. That will go a long way towards increasing overall watch time, thus getting more views for your Church's YouTube videos. 
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                    Before the pandemic, there were a lot of Churches that were not online. It was more abnormal for a Church to be online than it was for them not to be on. However, once the pandemic started, a lot of Churches went online and kept a presence online to this day. However, since the pandemic has subsided, many Churches have either abandoned their online efforts or stopped taking steps to improve their online presence. 
    
  
  
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                    The big question for each Church that has backtracked or abandoned their online ministry progress is why have they. Realistically, there are a few things that come into play for churches who struggle when it comes to adopting digital technologies long term. Here are some of the common reasons why some Churches aren't online anymore and how you can overcome those reasons. 
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                    As with anything, there are a variety of reasons for Churches or ministries do NOT do something. However, that shouldn't prevent you from doing it. If God is calling your Church to use digital tools and technology to reach people, do not let the negative mindset creep in and prevent you from doing it. With every issue, there is always a solution around it. Keep working on overcoming the negative reasons with positive solutions and see how God uses your ministry to reach even more people for Christ. 
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                    Connection issues. Not being able to connect to the Internet. I cannot tell you how many times my children have come into my office, showing me their phones or their iPads asking me to fix the connection issues that they are having. So many times, it’s as easy as unplugging the router, plugging it back in, and waiting for 5 minutes for all of our networking gear to spin back up.
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    Connections, in that sense, are easy. But connections in digital ministry are NEVER as easy as just walking away and coming back 5 minutes later. As our digital ministries continue to evolve and change, we’re facing significant challenges in authenticity, engagement, and discipleship. 
  

  
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    In a traditional setting, the physical presence of a congregation fosters a sense of unity and shared purpose. People gather in a physical space to engage in worship, partake in sacraments, and interact with fellow members of their faith communities and churches. These interactions extend beyond the formal ceremonies, creating opportunities for personal conversations, emotional support, and a sense of belonging that can be difficult to replicate online.
  

  
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    With the push of a button, you can connect to wider audiences and communities, connecting people who might not have otherwise been able to participate with your church or body. There’s convenience, flexibility, and a real sense of freedom that comes with logging in to your church from the comfort of your favorite couch or coffee shop. 
  

  
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    This is where YOU come in. Your gifts, skills, talents, and abilities in the digital landscape are no accident. Your communities, your interests, your passions, and your experiences can be used by the Holy Spirit in ways that you may not understand at this moment. 
  

  
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                    As digital ministry continues to evolve, the challenge of nurturing authentic connections remains a central concern. While technology enables unprecedented reach and engagement, it is essential to prioritize the quality of connections over sheer quantity. By implementing thoughtful strategies that encourage personal interaction, embrace vulnerability, and foster inclusivity, faith-based organizations can overcome the hurdles of the digital landscape and create meaningful, authentic experiences that resonate deeply with their congregants. In doing so, they will not only strengthen their virtual communities but also ensure that the spiritual essence of their traditions remains vibrant and impactful in an increasingly digital world.
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                    The Church has a unique opportunity to support families. There are online and in person opportunities. These are just a few that you can do. Pick and choose a few ideas that you Church can do and see how it supports and encourages families in your local community. Who knows, maybe this will be a great introduction to people who are in need of Jesus in their life and it makes an eternal impact. 
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                    Jesus called all people to go and make disciples of all nations. But how? How do you go and make disciples? Churches often help train people to go and make disciples. And they also teach people how to be a disciple. While doing these trainings and teaching are always great to do in person, it is not always possible to do that. That is where video comes into play. 
    
  
  
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                    Videos are a great way to train and disciple people at your Church. The key is to create very focused videos that educate in an engaging, easy-to-absorb way. These videos will go a long way to help visually show people how to do a task or a discipleship principle. 
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                    Artificial intelligence (AI) has unlocked incredible new possibilities for generating images. With the right prompts and tools, anyone can now create unique digital art, illustrations, and photos. In this beginner's guide, we'll cover the basics of using AI for image generation, from choosing the right software to crafting effective prompts. Whether you're an artist looking to enhance your workflow or just want to experiment with AI art, read on to learn how to tap into the creative potential of this emerging technology.
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                    AI image generation has countless creative applications, from book and album covers to concept art and virtual influencers. However, there are also ethical concerns to consider regarding copyright, misinformation, and bias in AI systems. Make sure to create only original works, credit any inspiration, and abide by the usage guidelines for whichever image generator you choose. There is no denying the huge potential, but also the need for responsibility, as this technology continues rapidly evolving.
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                    In conclusion, AI opens up new possibilities for both professional creators and hobbyists to realize their visual imagination. We've only scratched the surface of what AI image generation can do. By choosing the right tools, honing your prompting skills, and using these models thoughtfully, you can take advantage of AI creativity to bring your wildest ideas to life.
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                    Here are 5 Online Ministry insights and lessons learned from some of the podcasts released on The Church Digital Podcast Network from July 2023
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                    Can you teach others to follow Jesus with consistency, intentionality, and, most importantly, non-judgmental communication? Can you live a life of truth, love, and grace like Jesus did while at the same time TEACHING them how to be disciples? Andy Mage and Ashley talk about this podcast. 
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                    There is a misconception that when you do gaming ministry and live stream, that you just pop up online and begin. However, that is not the case, especially if you have a family. In this episode of the NCMU podcast, Mark and PastorSavage85 talk to Aki and Momma Peach from "the Adventures of Aki and Fam" about having the family on board and all the preparation needed to make a successful stream that reaches people for Christ. Listen to them 
    
  
  
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                    Tracking numbers is not a new thing for Churches. While it is unknown when number counting started in Churches, it is a good indicator of whether or not your Church is making an impact. If you have a lot of people coming, that's a good indication that what you are doing is working and people are being encouraged or challenged in their faith. If you have very little people attending on Sunday morning, that means you are likely not meeting the needs of your community and you need to make changes.  
    
  
  
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                    For online ministry, it is easy to track your Sunday morning numbers. You simply check the analytics of the different platforms. Depending on the number you are trying to reach, it is easy to see if you are being effective or not. But, is tracking your Sunday morning numbers a true testimony of your effectiveness? It is one indicator, for sure, but it is questionable as to whether or not it is even the most important number you track. 
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                    Online ministry is 24/7/365 ministry. That means you have more opportunities to reach and impact people beyond just Sunday morning Church. So what are other numbers that matter beyond Sunday morning? Here are some. 
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                    The Sunday morning Church service is an important element to your ministry. But, it is not the only number that matters when you consider the true effectiveness of online ministry. After all, your online ministry is a 24/7/365 days ministry. There is lots of possibles to minister to people. The three numbers highlighted above are just some of the different numbers you can decide are important for you to track. Whether you use these or different ones is up for you can your Church to decide. But, don't limit tracking your effectiveness to just Sunday morning. Track numbers beyond Sunday morning and see what God does. 
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                    For the longest time, Church attendance and the offering plate were the ultimate predictors of how your Church is doing. Church is going great if there are lots of people in attendance and the plate was full. However, if there are not as many people attending, Church is not going great. But then came the Covid pandemic, With that, Church attendance took a nose dive and it has not really recovered. At least not for most Churches.   
 
    
  
  
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                    Over the course of the past few years, since the height of the pandemic has subsided, there has been an interesting trend that has developed. More and more Churches are abandoning their online ministry to go back to doing Church the way it used to be done before the pandemic. 
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    The problem with abandoning your online ministry and all the progress you made over the years is that you are abandoning a strategic tool at your Church. Your are essentially giving up on people who found meaningful connection and were developing community with other believers. You are telling them to come in person or don't come at all. That kind of mindset will just turn people away and the tremendous opportunity your Church had to minister to people has now vanished.
  

  
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                    We live in an increasing digital and online world. Technology is developing fast and furious. Two years ago it was social audio, then it was the metaverse, and now it is AI and Threads. These are all developments that are designed to help people connect. As technology keeps growing and developing, people are going to continue to use it to connect with other people. And, Churches can use it to continue to get their message of hope about Christ out to others. 
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  The Average Person Spends about 145 minutes on Social Media Daily

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                    How many people does your Church reach on a Sunday morning? During the week? On YouTube, there are 122 million people visiting there DAILY! That means over 850 million people visit it throughout the week! When you share sermons, worship songs, Church services, devotionals and other faith related videos on YouTube, more people have the opportunity to hear about Jesus from you in just one day than people coming to your for the whole year! 
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                    This is every second! That is a lot of people searching a lot of different things. Some of those things are "hope," "Church," By updating your Google Business account and keeping that updated with key words and important information, when people are searching for Churches, yours can show up. In addition, by creating videos that answer questions people in your community (both online and in person) are asking, your Church is more likely to be discovered and checked out by a person. 
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                    Through live streaming services, online devotionals, Bible Studies and other online ministry opportunities, people are hearing about God online and giving their life to Him. While it may be hard to quantify how many online attendees have gotten baptized over the years, it has happened and continues to happen. Check out Tom's conversation with 
    
  
  
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                    A lot of the "in person" Church experience is centered around Sunday morning. However, with online ministry, you enable ministry to happen 24/7...literally. Through online Bible studies, group text messages, platforms like Discord and Facebook, there are countless ministry opportunities throughout the week where people can grow in their faith and connect with others. Check out our blog about how to run an asynchronous community 
    
  
  
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                    While lots of people are currently loving Threads and its clean look, there are some limitations to it. In many ways, what we are looking at and experiencing is version 1 of Threads. In some ways, this could be characterized as a soft launch. It looks clean and nice right now, but there are some key missing parts and limitations to it. Some of the limitations are:
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                    If you think of Threads like you think of Twitter, you will be well on your way to use Threads for ministry purposes.   Here are some ways you can use it for ministry:
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                    While some people are labeling Threads as a "Twitter Killer," it is far from that currently. Remember, this is version 1 of Threads. It will continue to make adjustments, get better and improve. While there are some limitations to it right now, there are also some great ministry opportunities. Take time to observe what is going on, engage with people and see how God opens up doors for you to use it, if not now, in the future. 
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                    When Covid hit initially in the spring of 2020 Children's Ministry teams adapted just like every other ministry and started incorporating online elements into their ministries. Moving forward, providing different online options for children and families, will help your Church nurture faith and foster a sense of community among young believers and their families. 
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                    Running an asynchronous community requires organization, flexibility, and a willingness to adapt to the community’s needs. Above are 10 tips that can help you create and run a successful asynchronous community that fosters engagement, growth, and a sense of belonging. Remember to choose the right platform, establish clear expectations, communicate transparently, encourage diversity, and lead by example. With these tips, you can run an asynchronous community that thrives.
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Online Ministry is always changing. What was effective in reaching people online yesterday, may not be effective today. So, what is working? What are some trends that online ministry leaders looking at and doing currently to be effective? 
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                    Sermon presentation is another critical aspect of message preparation. This is where incorporating AI technology can help. There is now speech-to-text tools available that can guide preachers on how to structure their sermon better. AI speech recognition technology can capture and transcribe spoken word, making it easier for preachers and ministers to find out where they need to make changes in their speeches.
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                    A good message forms an effective connection with your congregation, making the message as engaging and informative as possible. Once you’ve put the sermon together, it's time to start polishing it. You can use AI to enhance your sermon content to make it more engaging. For example, AI can analyze the length of sentences and paragraphs, readability, syllable count, and sentence structure. This makes your sermon sound more conversational, leading to a more positive impact on your listeners.
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                    Another factor that makes or breaks the effectiveness of a sermon is the way the content is organized. AI technology can help ministers make their messages more effective in various ways. It can analyze keywords used throughout the message and offer suggestions for topics or areas that need more emphasis. AI systems can help ministers choose pictures, videos, and other visual aids to accompany their sermon. By integrating these visually appealing aides into sermons, ministers can enhance audience engagement, impacting your congregation positively.
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                    In conclusion, AI is revolutionizing many industries, including how ministers prepare for their messages. Natural language processing, sermon presentation, sermon content enhancement, and message organization are all areas that AI technology can offer solutions in. Ministers can integrate AI into their routine processes to help save time, improve quality, and enhance their message's effectiveness. In the end, though our industries' challenges may vary, AI technology has the sophisticated tools to offer general solutions to anyone struggling with message preparation. It's time to harness the power of AI to take your messages to the next level.
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      I have now funded, planted, and pastored a fully digital church for the past two years. I started structuring Lux Digital Church on paper privately three years ago. I was dreaming about it and praying about it three and a half years ago. I am far from the most experienced person when it comes to Digital Ministry. Innovative churches across the country have been doing digital ministry in one form or another since... well... the internet. However, Lux is unique in the fact that it's not a funded digital campus of a physical church. It's not a digital ministry of a physical church either. Lux is its own entity, and some aspects of it are unique to the world of digital ministry and digital church expression. I am not starting this blog that way to claim bragging rights or to take pride in my accomplishments. If anything, my time in digital ministry has shown me that what has happened at Lux has happened more despite me than it has because of me.
    
  
  
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                    At first, what I saw happening through Lux seemed natural because God had revealed the vision for it before it happened. My expectations were God-sized expectations. However, after a few years in the space, I have realized how truly unique Lux is and what an honor it has been to be part of the church's origin story. I start this way because I want to make a few confessions for those that God sends next. There are a few things that were hard for me to understand and swallow when we got started, and over time, I have realized they are mostly occupational hazards.
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                    To help the next generation of nerd culture pastors, digital missionaries, and digital church planters count the cost, I want you to be aware of some of the things I have faced in our planting journey. This most likely won't be the last Confessions-style blog I write either. I want to get what I learned out of my head and onto the digital paper, so it's not wasted. With all that borderline pointless preamble, here are three confessions of a digital church pastor.
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                    There will be some people who applaud you and speak highly of your innovation and courage to do something new. But many will see what you are doing as a threat to them, their skillset, their ego, or their worldview. They may not directly tell you that what you are doing seems stupid, but they will communicate that in their own way. They will ask why you are not sending people to a physical church. Why you didn't start a mission's agency. They will tell you how much they miss you or how much they wish you were still around. They will ask if you think that much technology really is good for people. It's typically well-meaning, but it will all communicate to you that 
    
  
  
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                    The harder part is that some people will want to come with you, and they will be disappointed that they can't. Family members who would have come to your church plant won't understand your digital world. They won't tell you that they dislike what you are doing, but you will notice it through their lack of interest or disengagement. Former colleagues won't understand the weight you carry, and you will quickly find yourself tiptoeing around failures and victories because those stories won't feel as safe in some relationships as they used to. You will feel very isolated.
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                    However, some precious older voices will remember when they planted a church, started a new ministry, or launched their new business and will understand what you are going through. They won't feel the need to compete, and they will have had some very similar low points where they second-guessed themselves, were fiercely angry, and wanted to give up. They will have felt alone too. They won't understand what you are practically doing. But they won't need to. They will understand what is going on inside of you. They understand that planting and innovating is a spiritual and mental game first. They will understand not being understood and second-guessed. They will know the cost of following Jesus is often that many people you love won't get it and won't be able to mask their disappointment. They will be able to make time for you and take your call because they understand the need for that lifeline. Don't dismiss or take those relationships for granted. You will need them.
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      Last year, we went on a short beach vacation with my family. On day three, I ran my car into a wall inside a parking garage. To be fair, it wasn't my car. I borrowed it, and that made it so much worse. The point is I drove straight into the wall. I was looking at the wall. I knew it was there. It took me three days on the beach, fully unplugged, to finally decompress and relax. When I did, I drove directly into a wall. At least in the early stages of Lux, I seem to only have two gears: fully consumed and always on, or driving into walls while I am looking right at them. People won't understand that. They won't understand why you keep telling your spouse that you are "working" at 10:00 PM or why you can't just relax and put it away for the weekend. They won't understand why you are always on your phone. They will hear you talking about church and ministry all the time and dismiss it as an unhealthy obsession. To a certain extent, they will be right. It is unhealthy, and I am always on.  They will look at your job and not understand the weight you are carrying, the fatigue it causes or the spiritual and relational exhaustion that comes with it.  They have never carried it and they simply can’t understand it until they have. 
    
  
  
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      Perhaps you won’t have any of these experiences in your own journey.  Most of my pain in planting has come from existing relationships.  I don’t blame them.  It’s no one’s fault.  No one could have done anything better.  I have a great and amazingly supportive family, church, friends, and community.  Even with all of that it hasn’t been easy.  Too often in the world of church planting we hear all the stories of victory and not the inner voices that people are battling with.  I know that people look at Lux from the outside and see a “success” in some ways.  But success and easy are far from synonyms.  I hope this gives you a peak behind the curtain of my brain.  I don’t want to just show the spit polished side of my life.  What all of that said, this has been the confessions of a digital church pastor. 
      
    
    
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      The innovators doing ministry in virtual reality have discovered that evangelistic conversations are easy in the metaverse. One reason is that people will talk about most things in the metaverse. Regardless of what they believe, people don’t seem to have a problem talking about their beliefs in public virtual spaces.
    
  
  
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      From Scripture, we know that scattered seeds do not always produce fruit. In Matthew 13, Jesus tells the parable of the farmer whose seeds fell on a footpath, in shallow soil, among thorns, and under the hot sun. Only a tiny percentage fell on fertile ground. If all the seeds were equally scattered, then only 20% found suitable soil for growth. Interestingly, only 20% of Americans are active in a church today.
    
  
  
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                    Today, there are missional opportunities within digital that most churches are unfortunately missing. For churches to embrace—and, dare I say, engage—the lost in digital space, we need to move beyond broadcasting church services. Beyond content. For churches to be influential digitally, our content 
    
  
  
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                    Content is vital for any church, in physical or digital space. Sermons and teachings play a role. But in digital ministry, as in physical ministry, content is rarely enough to impact someone’s life, especially in some nuanced digital communities. When was the last time a TV show changed your life? Or even that you remembered a sermon from two weeks ago? Our content is only valuable—especially digitally—when it leads into community. This is probably not a surprise, but I would also suggest that a church’s online chat room is not an effective ongoing discipleship community, just as sitting next to someone in a pew is not grounds for an effective discipleship relationship. Church online chat is the first, and sometimes necessary, step to something more.
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                    Let’s say your church is going on a mission trip to… oh, I don’t know… Argentina. You’d like to go on the trip, but you don’t know anything about Argentina. Your church is partnering with a church in Argentina. As a mission trip participant, you need to learn the culture. You need to adapt your mindset. What works for your church in America does not automatically work in Argentina because South America is different from North America. Recognizing the differences, the American church may need to adapt its strategy to the community of Argentina. Right?
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                    Maybe your church is also going on a mission trip to war-torn Ukraine. Yes, it’s a similar mission trip with similar goals, but 2023 Ukraine is entirely different from 2023 Argentina, and neither option looks anything like 2023 North America. So, for us to be effective in ministry, we have to contextualize.
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                    The same works digitally. The digital mission field is very contextualized. Connecting with gamers is very different from connecting with VR users, Facebook users, or TikTokers. Even though the video format (shorts) is similar, there are separate, contextualized audiences for Instagram Reels, YouTube Shorts, and TikTok. Don’t even get me started with Twitter. Omnichannel (the same content on all channels) died when COVID began. Instead, contextualization will open many opportunities. The more we can focus on our audience and craft a message for them, the more effectively the gospel will be received.
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                    Who does your church want to reach digitally? If the answer is “everyone,” then unfortunately, you will likely reach no one. Make your message for someone and see how a target audience makes your ministry effective. Find the type of person you want to impact who is within your reach, or examine who you are currently reaching and expand on the opportunity.
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                    For your church to effectively do ministry in Argentina, you have to board the plane and go on the trip. You have to block time off your calendar, take vacation time so you can be away from work, and get a passport and visa… you’ll even need to get a dog sitter! What I want to point out here is that going on mission is very intentional and not that convenient.
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                    Put in the work—not to create the cheesy graphics, but to have conversations. Don’t use the praying-hands emoji when a written prayer means more. It’s very easy to say “I’ll be more relational”—but then we are too busy to write out that prayer, and the praying-hands emoji is just so easy…
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                    Similarly, it’s easy and convenient to fall back on an online broadcast of a physical church service rather than intentionally examining your target audience. Trying to reach everyone, unfortunately, is the equivalent of showing up to church in your pajamas. It’s actually lazy. Digital is not icing on the cake. It’s not an add-on that will multiply your church’s missional efforts 10x magically. Digital is a new opportunity that you will have to intentionally put work into.
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      <title>5 Online Ministry Insights from May 2023</title>
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      <title>Does your Church need Core Values?</title>
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                    In January of 2021, he and his wife launched Hearts Like His ministry on Facebook that now reaches people across the U.S. and several other nations. He holds a doctorate in Transformational Discipleship from Gateway Seminary. John lives in Roseville, CA with his amazing wife, Jeanine, and their three beautiful daughters, Elise, Sydney, and Grace.
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Every week, Churches spend countless hours on 1-2 hours of a Sunday morning. While it's very important to do that, that seems like a lot of hours spent on such a short period of time. What would be ideal is if you could take that Sunday content and supplemental content so that you can encourage people in and outside of your Church and outside beyond Sunday morning.
To talk about this, Ben Stapley joins Tom to share why and how you can do that for our Church.


 
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                    Every season of the year presents new opportunities for youth ministry leaders. The summer is no different. With students being out of school, at camps, going on family vacations, working and just regular goofing around, the summer presents some challenges, however, the opportunities Youth Ministry Leaders have with teens and parents, far outweigh the challenges. And, in this day and age, you do not need to limit yourself to just in-person gatherings. They can be online and phygital gatherings.
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                    Playing video games is very popular with teens and young adults. Embrace the popularity and set up an in-person or online tournament. Either way you choose to go, embrace in-person and digital by getting people together while also utilizing digital capabilities like live streaming or updating tournament activity online. There are lots of great games you can play from Super Smash Brothers and Madden Football to Fortnite. There are also some first person shooter games that are popular, as well. But, you have to make sure your Church is comfortable with it. Regardless of the game, having a video game tournament is a great way to meet new people in your community and build relationships. 
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                    The summer months present a lot of opportunities for youth ministers. When you combine physical, in-person gatherings with a digital component it creates a unique opportunity. Experiment with these opportunities and see how God uses them to help you minister to teens this summer.
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      Tyler Sansom is the lead pastor for "First Capital Christian Church/Church Anywhere" and a filmmaker for "First Capital Films." He is a former college football player who has been in full time ministry for nine years. Tyler is married to his wife, Sarah, and they have an adopted daughter named Leigh Ann.
    
  
    
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                    There are so many different kinds of videos your Church or ministry can create. And, since Covid and the popularity of TikTok, these videos do not need to be highly produced. People want to hear real people sharing real stories in an authentic way. This list of sixteen videos are just the start of many your Church can do. What will you do today? 
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                    While there’s definitely some truth to that statement, I don’t feel like it’s completely true. There’re nuances that are worth exploring, especially when digitally discipling. Community can take various forms, and sometimes when one thinks they’re creating community, they’re really just creating proximity.
    
  
  
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    Maybe we should focus on what our society needs and start working toward what really matters. Maybe community isn’t the best environment for discipleship, friendship and family is. Then maybe we will not worry about where we worship, but how we worship the Father — in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
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                    Did you know that over 227 million people in the US play video games one to a few hours per week? That there are over 3.2 billion "gamers" in the world? And that, in the US, people usually have around eight games installed per device? These are just some of the amazing and mind boggling stats about the gaming industry and who are play found in this list from 
    
  
  
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    But, too often, gaming has a negative connotation to it. Gamers have been viewed as slackers and living without a purpose. However, as Jeff Reed and Mark Lutz show us, gaming is a digital mission field ripe for people to hear about Jesus can turn their lives over to Him. Jeff and Mark record eleven different episodes featuring gamers who are doing missionary work in the gaming communities. Take a listen to these episodes and be encouraged that you, too, can reach people for Christ in this space.
  

  
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                    There was a time when a lot of people criticize gamers and have called them "slackers." However, what we have seen in Jeff and Mark's interviews, these Digital Missionaries who are playing video games are anything but slackers. They are family men and women who have a heart to reach gamers for Christ. The opportunity is there and these eleven episodes have highlighted different ways digital missionaries and reach the gaming community today. 
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Creating systems and processes is so important for ministry. But, how can you create these digitally so that your whole team can communicate effectively and be on the same page? Cory Sullivan joins the podcast to talk about this and how it can help your ministry team minister more effectively. 
 
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Share your thoughts! Where are you at with your online ministry? What are your next steps? Share below or on Twitter by reaching out to Tom.
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                    The question of whether or not artificial intelligence will or should become sentient is not a question. I believe, at some point, it will. Even with internationally established guardrails, people will still stretch the rules. It’s human nature. It’s inevitable. The real question for the church is not whether the church should utilize artificial intelligence. Theologists and psychologists will undoubtedly dig into whether artificial intelligence and the metaphysics around the soul. That’s a great question for another day. The question I want to ask today is: How do we, the Church, engage artificial intelligence as a mission field? How do we get artificial intelligence to understand the worldview of Jesus Christ? Here’s the challenge for today to you, Christian… Church Leader… Pastor. What does it look like to disciple artificial intelligence?
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                    Through Leadership Network and THECHURCH.DIGITAL, we talk a lot about what discipleship and disciplemaking look like digitally. We talk about the values of digital relationships and how, through those relationships, we can point people to Christ. We’ve talked about digital missionaries and using digital communities as a mission field to engage others for the kingdom. We recognize missional opportunities in physical space, digital space, and the metaverse/virtual reality. I want us to pause for a moment here and recognize that there’s now another opportunity to reach, engage, evangelize, and disciple artificial intelligence.
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                    Right now, in early 2023, I don’t know the answer to that question. But I know that we need to be asking it. And I’ll tell you one thing I guarantee can help right now: Remember that your digital strategy is more than a front door to your building. As AI is continually influenced through integrations with Bing (and Google), the importance of churches’ digital presence will (in a small but important way) influence artificial intelligence in the years (months? weeks?) to come.
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                    Oh, and what if we took the time to pray for artificial intelligence and the marketplace leaders who are shaping this technology? Can God interact at the level of AI? Can God influence Christian and non-Christian leaders in this space? Let’s pray, inviting him to do so. Pray that AI is more Vision than Ultron, and that AI can understand and represent the cause of Christ well.
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    Ryan Sidhom has been married to Clarissa for 11 years, and they are proud parents to Banner (7) and Anchor (4). They are in love with the Pacific Northwest and especially Vancouver! In their free time they enjoy the Vancouver Farmer’s Market, roasting their own coffee, and trying new foods.
  

  
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                    Because of this, we, at The Church Digital, wanted to test it out on what AI could do writing a blog post about how it could help the Church. Today we asked what social media platforms Churches should be on. This was its response. 
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                     In today's world, social media has become an essential tool for reaching out to people in various communities. Churches, being an integral part of communities, must also join the bandwagon and create a strong social media presence. With the advent of the internet and the proliferation of social media platforms, churches can easily reach out to their congregations and potential members through these channels. However, not all social media platforms are created equal, and choosing the right ones for your church's social media presence can be a daunting task.
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                    To help churches make the right choice, we've compiled a list of social media platforms that are ideal for churches to join.
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                    In conclusion, social media is an excellent tool for churches to communicate with their members and the community. With the increasing number of platforms available, it is essential to choose those that align with your church's values and goals. However, being present on social media isn't enough. Churches must actively engage with their audience, respond to questions and comments, and listen to feedback. By utilizing the right social media platforms and nurturing these relationships, churches can strengthen their connections with their members and the wider community.
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                    Throughout the last two years I have talked a lot about digital space as anyone might think of a physical building.
    
  
  
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    Over time I have realized that this simply isn’t true.
    
  
  
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    Granted the door is a bit more open most of the time but with some effort and intentionality you can pull an inner room out of what feels like and endless sea of vague unpredictable waves.
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                    What happens is truly unique and I don’t know what part of the human brain does it but it’s incredible.
    
  
  
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    You feel at ease and carefree when entering a friend’s home because of the depth of your relationship with them.
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                    Why is one space uncomfortable and unsafe while another is puts me at ease?
    
  
  
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Can real relationships happen online? They can and Online Discipleship Pastor Justin Herman from Mariner's Church shares 4 specific tools he uses on a regular basis. These tools not only help him reach people online but also develop relationships online as well.

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                    You read that right! In case you didn't know, Google Ad Grants gives your Church $10,000 of FREE ad space a month to use. The problem is that not every Church uses it. And, even the Churches that do use it, not everyone knows how to utilize them. To help us better understand what Google Ad Grants are and how Churches can utilize them, Jesse Carbo gave tips and help on what you can do. Listen to the whole episode 
    
  
  
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                    Is your Church or ministry on YouTube yet? If not, now is the perfect place for your Church to start investing time and energy into it.. In fact, because YouTube is a very powerful search engine, it can be an amazing tool to help your Church reach people for Christ.
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                    But why invest in YouTube? Your Church is already invested in other platforms like Facebook, why should you start using YouTube more? Here are 4 stats that should help you see the opportunities that YouTube presents your Church or ministry.
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                    This is 1.7 BILLION not million. Not only are these stats impressing, in total, YouTube gets 14.3 billion visits per month. And, of those in the U.S., 62% of those users access YouTube daily. That is more than Facebook and Instagram. Think about the 
    
  
  
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                    Google is the world's biggest search engine. Google also owns YouTube. That means that whenever you search something on Google, they not only share websites that will help you find the answer, but they will highlight YouTube videos that help you as well. This provides Churches and ministries a 
    
  
  
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                    YouTube isn't just for kids. It is for children and teens as well. And, of those 80% of parents who let their kids watch YouTube, 53% of them say their child watches videos on YouTube at least once a day. This is also in stark contrast to the other social networks. YouTube is extremely popular amongst children and teens. That means, that Churches and ministries can use YouTube to create content and engage with children and teens in a way unlike any other social media platform. What an 
    
  
  
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     format in 2020 — videos that max out at 60 seconds. This was their chance to compete against TikTok and it's popularity. Because of this, YouTube has been highlighting this a lot. In fact, today Shorts has 15 BILLION views a day. That gives Churches and ministries 
    
  
  
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                    The opportunities for Churches and ministries to start using YouTube are very clear. Whether you are creating long form or short form video, it is the perfect place to share different encouragement to people who are searching for answers. While you see more and more people dissatisfied with other social media platforms from Meta and on Twitter, YouTube continues to be a go-to place for both younger and older generations. Start exploring and experimenting today so that more people can be encouraged in life, faith and come to know Jesus as savior. 
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                    Neil Cole was the founder and executive director of Church Multiplication Associates &amp;amp; CMAResources, which helped start hundreds of churches in thirty-five states and thirty nations. He is seen by many to be one of the key founders of what is known as the organic or simple-church movement.  One of the key training components of this expanding movement is the Organic Church Planter’s Greenhouse - Story 1 and Story 2 Trainings.
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                    Neil would rather be known for instigating radical discipleship and created a discipleship tool known as Life Transformation Groups (LTG); which is making and multiplying disciples all over the globe. He is also the author of multiple books including recently released Journeys To Significance, Church 3.0, Organic Leadership, Search &amp;amp; Rescue, Cultivating a Life for God,  Organic Church,  TruthQuest, Beyond Church Planting and  Raising Leaders for the Harvest.
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       when trying to reach people online? Do you feel like no matter how hard you try, nothing works? You’re not alone; many churches struggle with this challenge. With every obstacle, though, there is an opportunity. Leveraging personas and intentional audience targeting can help your church reach new communities meaningfully on digital platforms. Today we will dive into the power of personas, empower churches to define their target demographic, and provide proven strategies for engaging with the digital mission field. So grab a cup of coffee or tea and get ready to jump in!
    
  
  
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                    In Matthew 13, Jesus teaches us a powerful lesson about sharing the gospel with an audience. He presents the Parable of the Sower, essentially likening a scatter of seeds to sharing faith. The seed that was scattered on “unhealthy soil”—on the “thorny bush” or the “paved road”—did not grow. Instead, it withered away. This parable should serve as a warning for modern churches who want to propagate their messages digitally; without context and purpose, any message can wither, just like those seeds scattered without meaningful purpose. Suppose a church wants to be effective when they share their message digitally. In that case, they must utilize personas and craft a message specific to their target audience’s context. These personas will help ensure that the gospel is spread in “healthy soil” and that the resources provided are not wasted where no impact or growth can be seen or felt. As we move forward in an ever-changing technological world, churches must learn how to adjust to best reach out to and communicate effectively with potential audiences online.
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                    Utilizing personas in digital marketing is an excellent way for companies to successfully target their audience and deliver a unique message that stands out in the marketplace. Personas allow companies to tailor their message to a specific audience so they can relate more effectively. Furthermore, personas can help the Church better understand their target audience and serve them more effectively with tailored messages that are understood. Consequently, churches should use this same strategy to identify critical points of engagement, prevent miscommunications, and build authentic relationships with their audience by getting to know them and how best to serve them according to their needs. As such, churches should take the time to determine what type of persona they are trying to reach, consider multiple perspectives on how the target audience will receive their message, diversify communication channels, and work towards crafting a personalized communication flow for each persona for maximum effectiveness.
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                    Once you’ve identified your target audience, it’s essential to build a digital community specifically tailored to them. Get on the right social media platforms and bridge the gap between physical and digital relationships. Whether the relationship is physical or digital, it is still an authentic relationship that can be grounded in biblical discipleship. Understanding this, we can recognize that our buildings may be lids to our ministry. You can reach even more people through your digital presence than with a physical building alone.
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                    With so many social media platforms out there, it can be a daunting task to work out which ones churches should be using for their digital presence. Facebook and Instagram may spring to mind first. Still, other platforms like TikTok, Twitter, Discord, Twitch, and LinkedIn can be great platforms for reaching specific audiences with contextualized messages. For example, LinkedIn could be utilized by the Church to build a solid professional network and create conversations with people in business that they would unlikely reach elsewhere. But it’s just about having fun and experimenting—being creative on each platform to engage with the right people meaningfully. Discipleship doesn’t need to behave differently because it’s happening over a digital platform. Create content relevant enough to your target audiences that encourages discussion around Scriptures or holds debates about hot topics among your followers—just make sure you know who you’re talking to first!
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                    The point of this blog, however, is not to get you to buy a copy of The Shallows.  But instead to talk about building deep relational spaces using tools that are typically built to keep you shallow.  Have you ever been on a Zoom call and had a different window opened up at the same time checking your email?  I bet you have.  I sure have.  I had to reposition my camera while leading small groups to keep my honest.  You can now see my hands from my camera shot so that I am not as tempted to open up a browser window or boot up a game while I am in the middle of conversation. 
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                    Social media, live streams, and team software like Slack, Discord, or Microsoft Teams are all built to help you get information fast and keep your engagement superficial.  Yet, what I have found over and over again is the human desire to break away from superficiality and enter spaces that are authentic and surprisingly deep, especially online.  In a world of shallow brains and technological constructs that are built to keep our minds in surface level thought humanity is desperate for depth. 
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                    One of the key issues with the church’s approach to digital space is it’s inclination to keep it shallow and superficial. People are going to social media platforms and online communities for shallow hits of dopamine and instead of running counter to that cultural force and offering something better the church has often subjected it digital strategy to the flow and agenda of digital platforms and instead of inviting people into something deeper that they contributed to the shallowing.  So much so that our church’s Instagram feed is full of other Christian’s reels that are attempting to give deep theological truth with a song and a dance in under 20 seconds.  I am not trying to curse the seed that is sown.  But so often the drip of digital presence from our churches ask little to nothing of people other then staying to the end of the video and tapping the heart button at the end. 
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                    The word "phygitial" was a fairly popular term in ministry circles when the pandemic started. However, it is not used as much as it once was when the pandemic started. The word "phygital" was first mentioned in 2007 by Chris Weil, currently Chairman-CEO at Momentum Worldwide, to describe the inseparable connections between the physical and the digital worlds (Vergine et al., 2019). Ministry leaders would use this term for ministry when online ministry and in-person ministry merge and work together in different opportunities. Here are some examples of 
    
  
  
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                    When I was asked to spearhead the launch of a church campus in Virtual Realty two years ago, I never would have expected that I would be here today talking about how our 6 month trial has turned into a two year adventure. And I would have never guessed how much I would be loving it. But, here I am, and here you are reading this blog.
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                    There are many things I have learned in the past couple of years about doing virtual reality ministry and, to be honest with you, there are still many more things I need to and will be learning about it. It is kind of the nature of this world. Things change constantly. Pivots are made instantaneously. Platforms are here today and gone tomorrow, and learning how to manage the trolls, don’t even get me started! But through all the chaos that comes with doing ministry in virtual reality, there is a great need for the church to find herself in the virtual spaces.
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                    Now, I’m going to make two assumptions right off the top: I’m assuing if you are reading this, you are involved in the church in some way, whether that is as the lead pastor, an associate pastor on staff, or a volunteer; my second assumption is you are reading this either to see what heresy I may be putting out into the world for everyone to see, or you have a genuine interest in figuring out how and if your church should get into the VR spaces.  So here are three reasons your church needs to get into Virtual Reality.
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                    I strongly beg to differ. Two years into this and I would say that the anonymity that comes along with VR ministry actually allows for more authenticity and transparency the likes of which we don’t see in the physical manifestation of the church.
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                    This anonymity has allowed me to have deeper conversations with people instantly that would normally take months (if not years) to get to face to face. It allows the minister to address the root of many of the issues people are facing because the individual can more openly express what they are gong through without the fear of judgement or rejection because their face isn’t being seen.
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                    Now you may be wondering how I got to that conclusion. Well, simply grab your cell phone (if you’re not already using it to read this blog), and with that you just proved my point. The fact that you have this powerful little device that was originally designated to the business world, is now mass produced for the common everyday person and goes to show how quickly things can blow up thanks to the business world.
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                    In the early 2000’s, businesses began providing their employees cell phones in order to enhance productivity and remain connected with their employees after work hours. Now of days, the cell phone is a common tool that many of us have at least one of, and many of us are willing to spend $1000+ for it. As Virtual Reality becomes more common and businesses buy into it, I expect the 171 million person user base to sky rocket in the coming years. And, if I’m right, then the business that are blazing the trail bringing people into the virtual reality spaces will only validate the need for the church in those spaces as we go into the virtual reality world to make disciples of all nations.
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                    A lot of non-regular Church goers likely attended your Church. Some them filled out a digital or physical connection card. What will you do with those connection cards? An easy win would be to personally text, email or call all those people and start a conversation with how you can connect them to the Church better. Hopefully, over Easter, people connected with your Church through an event or Church service and that they will be interested in learning more about what is happening at your Church and how they can get a little more involved. The key is to follow up within the first 24-48 hours. The sooner you can follow up with these connection cards, the better.
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      <title>How Churches Can Use AI: Let's Ask AI</title>
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                    AI is rapidly transforming the way we interact with technology, providing powerful and intuitive solutions to everyday tasks. Churches can use these same technologies to better engage with their members and grow their ministries.
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                    From automated sermon prep to virtual events, AI can provide churches with new opportunities for outreach, education, and growth. AI-powered chatbots are an efficient way for people to connect with pastors and church staff. They can answer questions quickly and efficiently, allowing busy church members more time to focus on other important responsibilities in their lives. AI can also be used to provide personalized sermons tailored specifically for a particular audience or congregation.
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                    By leveraging machine learning algorithms and natural language processing techniques, churches can create engaging sermons that are tailored specifically towards their target audience. Additionally, virtual events can be used to reach larger audiences with greater convenience. AI-powered virtual assistants can help plan and manage events, allowing churches to maximize their outreach potential by connecting more people than ever before.
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                    AI also makes it easier for churches to host and run successful online meetings, conferences, or Bible studies without the need for physical spaces. By using AI tools such as digital whiteboards and video conferencing platforms, churches can save time and money while providing an engaging environment for members to engage in discussion and fellowship. As AI continues to evolve, there are countless opportunities for how churches can use these new technologies to further their mission of ministry and outreach.
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                    With the right approach and implementation strategy, churches have the potential to leverage AI in order to increase engagement and growth while providing an even more meaningful experience for their members. By leveraging AI, churches can unlock powerful new ways to reach out and build relationships with their congregations around the world. With its potential to streamline tasks, provide personalized sermon recommendations, and power virtual events, AI is a powerful tool that can help churches expand their outreach efforts and maximize ministry potential.  
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                    AI is revolutionizing the way churches interact with their members and engage in ministry, providing new opportunities for outreach, education, and growth. Churches can also unlock powerful new ways to reach out and build relationships around the world. With its potential to streamline tasks, provide personalized sermon recommendations and can help churches maximize their ministry potential, the possibilities for impact are truly endless! So why not give it a try today? Embrace all that AI has to offer your church and see what kind of impact it can make on your mission of ministry and outreach!
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                    The week leading up to Easter provides lots of opportunities for digital missionaries to start conversations and encourage others. As a reminder, these questions are designed to start conversations. Hopefully, people will respond and you will be able to have conversations that will hopefully lead to spiritual conversations, life change and potentially attendance at Church on Good Friday or Easter Sunday.
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    . It’s literally the reason that we have our faith in the first place, but it’s the one that many of us overlook. It’s the one that we think we’re going to be flooded with new and returning people who are coming to our church services and our live streams because they want to “connect” with the church on a holy day.
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                    Our remit as church leaders is to connect with ALL people, not just on Sundays but on every day of the week. And we would tend to think that holidays are a great way to get a large influx of new and returning people who we would be able to connect with. 
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                    How do you ACTUALLY connect with people during this time, and in the weeks and months after Easter (where it matters MORE what you are doing than just your programming for Holy Week)?
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                    Their digital church Easter guide is perfect to try this week, and in holiday weeks to come, but the main thing to remember from all of these is this:
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                    Whatever platform, whatever method, whatever stream, whatever you’re doing, people aren’t necessarily going to care about the programming or the chat or the stream itself. They’re going to care about HOW you are caring for them. HOW you’re paying attention to them. It’s not what happens during your stream or during that one holiday service. 
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                    Take care your people, show them how much Jesus loves them every single day in every single venue that you can, and watch as they grow your ministry.
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Children's and Youth Ministry has changed a lot over the years. However, one thing that hasn't changed is the importance of effectively communicating to parents. Today, Dan Istvantik from Youth Ministry Hub shares the 3 C's of effective communication to families. Discover what they are and start communicating more effectively today!

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                    To start off, let’s look at scripture’s take of digital. We’re reminded in Acts 2:46-47 that the early church was devoted to fellowship. “They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.” It’s very easy to acknowledge that this happens in physical space, but pause before you get to “digital is antithetical.” As we look deeper at these communities that exist holistically on digital, we find sincere people engaging in relationships daily. And for the people who are native in these digital communities, the relationships are just as real and authentic as physical relationships. Community may look different digitally than physically, but that does not invalidate the digital community for those engaged.
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                    Digital technology offers churches a unique opportunity to raise the standard on “church online,” making it more than just broadcasting the weekend service or sermon. By leveraging digital technology to its fullest potential, churches can create digital strategies that will draw people closer together and bring them into a deeper relationship with God. Through digital forms of discipleship, mission trips, and communities, churches can raise up members to send out on mission as digital disciplemakers.
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    Believing that faith is renewed as people engage with the good news of God’s love on new technology platforms, D.J. Soto began preaching in the metaverse in 2016. Originally thinking they would plant physical churches, they soon realized a new vision to plant churches in the metaverse. He is now the Bishop of Virtual Reality Church and MMO Church, which are futuristic church expressions that is intended to be radically inclusive and consistent with Christianity’s long history of adapting to new forms of media.
  

  
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    Koko (aka Aleatha Singleton) is an elder pastor at VR MMO Church, and pastor of MMO Church in Final Fantasy 14 hailing from Southeast Texas. She’s also an author, teacher and consultant for VR shops and teams, and mentors UX professionals, in order to enable them to create more compelling and user-friendly immersive experiences for their clients. In her free time, she likes to play video games, design and build furniture, and study the Japanese language.
    
  
    
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    Prior to 2020 much of the conversation involving “embodiment” was focused on involving our bodies in our worship, in our service, in our acts of faith. The word was used to communicate a need to take our faith from the conceptual or theoretical to the practical living out what we say we believe. However after the pandemic shut down in person gatherings and pressed everyone online, the usage of this word began to shift.
    
  
    
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    People will still say, “We are called to embodied worship!” I absolutely agree. Our physical bodies must be involved in our faith. This does not nullify online church, digital discipleship or social media ministry.
  

  
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    Shared physical presence is simply not a non-negotiable aspect of our faith. A person driving in their car singing along to their favorite praise song, a person picking up litter from the side of the road, a person praying in their room, are all involved in worship, ministry and faith. Their bodies are involved in those acts as well. These acts are both individual and embodied.
    
  
    
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    Jesus even made it clear that physical presence was not required where ministry was concerned. He gives us examples of embodied faith which is lived out in life changing ways where he never crosses paths with the person he healed. One such example is found in Matthew 8. We read the story of a centurion who comes to Jesus seeking the healing of his servant. Jesus asks specifically, “Shall I come and heal him?” The centurion replies, “No, I say come and go and my men obey. I believe all you need to do is say so and it will happen.” Jesus praised this man’s faith saying, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.” When Jesus is finished praising the faith of the man and warning those around who lack this kind of faith, he says, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
    
  
    
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    This does not presume that God does not use our physical bodies to comfort, to heal, to serve, to care for others. Jesus made it abundantly clear that he was willing to make physical contact where others would avoid it. A Triune God absolutely values gathering together. But there just simply isn’t a case that God limits our worship, limits our service or limits our faith to a physical location or a physical body.
  

  
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                    As you create a great Easter experience for people coming to your Church, help them see the love and hope of Christ. In addition, help them see that your Church is serious about connecting with them and encouraging them. These are just 4 types, but there are other events you could do. Prayerfully go before God and ask Him what you should do this Easter and implement it today. See how God provides and helps you minister to your community more effectively this year.
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      Mark is the lead and founding pastor of Lux Digital Church.  He lives in and has pastored outside of Pittsburgh, PA since 2010 and in March of 2021 he and his family decided to start an entirely online church in the gaming community.  He has two daughters named Brooklyn and Aria and spends most of his free time gaming and spending time with his family.  Mark is passionate about reaching people that would rather go to Hell than come to church and he believes that many of them can only be reached through the screen that's in front of them for hours every day.
    
  
  
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      <description>While social media has been a part of youth ministry since it came about, when Covid hit, social media and online ministry became vital for youth ministers and leaders. Today Brett Talley joins the podcast to share about how youth ministry leaders can practice the ministry of digital presence with teens today. 
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                    Youth Ministry is all about relationships. The more effective you are about building and developing relationships with students, families, fellow staffers and leaders, the more effective you will be in your ministry.
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    &lt;!--more--&gt;                                While building relationships is the most important thing, the reality is that a Youth Minister needs to perform other essential tasks to help the actual ministry go. That is where apps come into the picture. When apps first came out there were a lot of games you can play to kill time. However, apps have evolved today and there are a number of them that can be very helpful for Youth Ministry leaders to perform essential tasks in there ministry.
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    . In addition to the numerous translations they offer, there are thousands of Bible Studies and Devotionals you can do with your Youth Group. Whether you use them as a resource for a message or you start and Online Bible Study Group, there are a wide variety of topics and scripture you can use. It can also help you to personally grow spiritually. 
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                    Youth ministry leaders are very busy. Not only are they investing in a variety of different relationships, but they are running a program to help reach and disciples students and families for Christ. Utilizing these apps will help youth ministers stay organized and prepared for any and all situations they face. 
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                    Whenever you need information for something, where are you likely to go to search for the answer? GOOGLE! That means when regular, non-Church goers start searching for Easter services in the area, they are most likely going to search Google. That is why it is so important that your Church has the most updated information on it. Do you have the updated times and contact information on it? While it may seem like a no-brainer, but you would be surprised how many Churches have outdated information on their website. Updating your social media channels are just as important. Make sure all your information is updated. On Facebook, you can even create an Easter Event Page that will immediately draw attention to people checking out your social media. 
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                    Digital Missionaries are people who share about the love and hope of Christ on social media. They share in a variety of ways. It could be through writing, video, audio, photography, and other online tools. They can also use social media to share about what your Church is doing. They can share it through their own social media accounts or they can also share it on community pages, highlighting events or activities your Church is doing that the community may enjoy. This Easter empower Digital Missionaries to love on people and share about what your Church is going. Leading up to Easter send them weekly updates on all that is happening and encourage them with different ways they can minister online. The more they know about what is going on and how to minister online, the more effective they can be.
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                    Every year Easter is one of the biggest, most important Sundays fro your Church. By doing these simple online updates and promotions, people in your area will not only know about your Church, but they will be up to date on all the right times and information on your Church. Take time to update it, get the word out and mobilize Digital Missionaries this Easter. Then, sit back, pray and see how God moves this Easter. 
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      Mark is the lead and founding pastor of Lux Digital Church.  He lives in and has pastored outside of Pittsburgh, PA since 2010 and in March of 2021 he and his family decided to start an entirely online church in the gaming community.  He has two daughters named Brooklyn and Aria and spends most of his free time gaming and spending time with his family.  Mark is passionate about reaching people that would rather go to Hell than come to church and he believes that many of them can only be reached through the screen that's in front of them for hours every day.
    
  
  
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    leaving the space. Just recently AltSpace, a premier world for years, decided to close. While there are many start ups and closes for every new development, there are still plenty of great worlds to check out. For instance, RecRoom, Meta's Horizon World, BigScreen, and VR Chat are all very popular and viable worlds for your Metaverse and VR Ministry to start exploring. 
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                    While people are still trying to understand what ministry in the Metaverse looks like, there is no doubt that ministry is happening.  People are 
    
  
  
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    , they are being discipled and there is Biblical counseling happening in the metaverse currently, In addition, businesses continue to make investments in this space which provides lots of opportunities for Churches to begin to explore and engage in this space. Ministry is happening there and lives are being changed. Start exploring today and see what God does. 
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                    The digital age has opened up new avenues for community building. Online groups, forums, and social media sites are just some of the tools used to create a sense of community online. Despite the advantages that these tools offer, there is still much debate over whether community can truly be built in an online environment.
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                    On the other hand, many argue that community can be created through shared experiences and discussions online. It is easier than ever before for like-minded individuals to connect and build relationships through virtual platforms. Furthermore, the global community that technology has enabled can bring together people from all over the world who may have never had the chance to connect in person.
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                    Ultimately, it seems that community is still possible online, but with a few caveats. As with any community-building exercise, it's important to create an atmosphere of trust and respect. This can be done by setting clear guidelines for interactions between members and sticking to them. Additionally, using technology responsibly is essential; while there are many wonderful opportunities that can come from engaging in online communities, it's also important to remember to take breaks as needed and be mindful of how much time you spend on digital devices.
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                    By taking into consideration these factors, community can still be built and nurtured online. Whether you're connecting with people from around the world or building relationships with those in your community, virtual spaces can provide just as much (if not more) opportunities for meaningful connections than physical ones.
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                    One way to ensure that your online community is authentically connecting members is by focusing on fostering interaction within the group. Encouraging members to share their individual stories and experiences can help bring about deeper understanding of one another’s lives, opinions, and perspectives. In addition, setting up activities such as challenges or campaigns can motivate members to come together in pursuit of common goals.
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                    Another important part of creating an online community is providing support for members. Whether through resources, advice, or simply being a shoulder to lean on, offering some level of care and comfort can be incredibly helpful in building authentic relationships online. Furthermore, setting ground rules in order to ensure the safety and respect of all participants will ensure that the online community remains a supportive space for everyone involved.
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                    Planting a Church takes a lot of work. There are people to meet, a team to recruit and train, and other really important decisions to make as you prepare for launch. While you are working through all the details on how to get the word out to your community about your Church, social media is the perfect tool to help you achieve those goals.
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                    In determining what social media network(s) you should be one, the key is to find out what most of the people you are trying to reach on. Once you determine that, you can start there. Even though people like to complain about Facebook, it is most likely the place to begin as most people have a Facebook account. As you get comfortable on Facebook sharing and interacting with others, you can move on from there with the others. Each Platform has a different user group that likes it more than others. For instance, Millennials prefer Instagram. Gen Z and Alpha prefer TikTok and YouTube. While YouTube isn't necessarily a "social media platform", it is a very powerful tool and it can help you reach a younger generation.
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                    "Reach" is the amount of people you reach with your social media posts. There are two types of reach: organic and paid. Organic reach is the reach you have when you post something on your page or account and people naturally see it. When social media channels like Facebook and Twitter first came out it was all organic reach and anything you posted could be discovered by anyone, especially on Twitter and Instagram when you use hashtags.
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                    These days, organic reach is harder to achieve, especially on Facebook. In fact, it is likely that only 10% of the people who “like” your page will actually see it on their newsfeed. This is true of Instagram as well, especially since Meta owns both Facebook and Instagram. So, while organic reach on Facebook is relatively low, there is still great possibilities of organic reach on Twitter, TikTok and YouTube. However, paid reach with Facebook and Instagram is a very effective tool to reach the masses. A simple $5 can help reach a thousand or more people. That is great reach and the more money you can put to it, the greater targeted reach you can have on Facebook. Using Facebook and Instagram Ads during special events and services are very helpful. 
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                    On Facebook there are Pages and Groups. Every Church should have a Facebook page. Your page used the be the main area where people would come on social media and interact with you. While it is not as popular today, it is still a main point of contact for people so make sure all your information is set up correctly (i.e. address, phone number, website, etc). Unfortunately, Facebook Pages are not as effective as they used to be in reaching the masses. Unless you pay for ads. That is where Facebook Groups come into play.
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                    While interaction on Facebook Pages has decreased, they have increased on Facebook Groups. Groups have become very effective ways to engage and interact with people. A key difference is that you can actually use Facebook Groups in a lot of different ways. You can use Groups for the Children’s ministry (share content to parents), Life Groups, Bible Studies and Ministry Volunteers. The key with Facebook Groups is providing consistent interaction with others in your group. The more you interact with everyone, the better the engagement will be.
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                    Church Planters are very busy. Even though a Church Planter could run the social media in about 1 hour a day, finding someone else to run it would be the most effective. It is a great way to get more people involved in your Church plant.
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                    The person you want helping is someone who is active on social media, overall friendly, who gets the vision of your Church and offers hope. There is so many negative people out there on social media that you need to have someone you trust who will share the encouragement and hope of Christ to your online community.
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                    In addition to consistency, make your posting valuable. While sharing about what is happening at your Church is important, don’t just post information about what your Church is doing. Include inspiration and engagement opportunities. These could be Bible verses, questions, polls, video devotionals, encouraging quotes or sermon points, and stories of life transformation. You want to offer value to the people coming to your Page or Group. If all you post is information about this event or that event, they are not as likely to come back to your accounts. But, if they get encouragement and inspiration from them, they will definitely come back more often and stay engaged.
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                    Starting a new Church takes a lot of work. The great news is that social media can help you increase your reach and get the word about your Church plant. Prayerfully consider how you might get started on social media for your plant and start experimenting with pages, groups and ads. The more you engage and interact on social media, the more likely people in the community will know more about you and your Church plant and want to try it out when you officially launch.
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                    We created this space to feel like home to those who don't have one, or maybe lack a positive/healthy relationship with their parents. We love you regardless of background or belief and hope you can find a space on Twitch you can call home ❤
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                    We are a family that wants to share the love of Jesus with the world. Our kids are regularly on stream gaming with us as we're chatting, so we keep things G rated with the occasional dip into PG during Aki After Dark.
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                    We're variety streamers that play all sorts of games - the very first game we ever streamed together is the original Final Fantasy for the NES, but we've played other retro games, Minecraft, and have plans for much more.
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                    Many of these pioneers go unnoticed and unthanked and are only fueled by their unquenchable desire to see the kingdom move forward in a vast world that the church doesn’t know exists at best and at worst dismisses entirely as “not real” or a “waste of time”. While video games may be a “waste of time” the people that play them are anything but a waste of time. More and more people are finding their community, support, and livelihood inside the gaming community. This vast digital city has main drags, back streets, individual unique communities, and every nation on the planet represented. It’s the largest city you never knew existed.
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                    That night Zach told me his heart for unity in the space and his dream to gather all of these amazing God loving people in the same physical space to fight for unity, refreshment, and encouragement. I knew we didn’t have the funding to fly them all to the same place, house them, feed them, and bless them. But I also knew that God had placed this same desire in dozens of hearts across the space and I knew that God funds the visions He gives. After a few phone calls we had the money from Rivers Crossing Church in Cincinnati and New Life Christian Ministries in Pittsburgh. Rivers Crossing volunteered their space and Zach (an extremely gifted project manager) and I set out to bring what he had seen into reality.
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                    In October last year 23 of us gathered in Cincinnati for The Megazord Summit. We invested much needed time, energy, and financial resources into these pioneers. The goal was above all, to let them know they are not alone and that they are not one another’s enemies. What came out of that time is a group of networks and a new physical conference in Texas this upcoming year (more information soon) called the Nerd Culture Ministry Summit. It’s an opportunity for church leaders to come learn about how they can engage with nerd and gamer culture in a way that is authentic and impactful.
    
  
  
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      <description>One of the main criticisms Churches face when texting is that it is often a promotional text or simply a text that doesn't engage people. But texting doesn't have to be that way for Churches. There are ways to create engagement and interaction. See how as Jeanette Yates from Text-in-Church joins me to share.
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                    Jate spends most of his time livestreaming on Twitch as JateLIVE, playing video games, praying, and planting seeds. His focus is for the unchurched and those far from God.
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      Attendees to the conference will have an incredible pre-conference track dedicated to digital ministry, an in-conference track focused on innovations for the church within the Metaverse, a networking breakfast to connect with other digital- and metaverse- pastors, planters and practitioners, and a Metaverse Lab allowing hands-on access to virtual reality, blockchain &amp;amp; crypto, artificial intelligence, and even gaming  This will be an incredible, unforgettable experience.
    
  
    
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  Thanks to Leadership network for sponsoring THESE Tracks. Get More information on Leadnet's Digital and metaverse initiatives and learning communities at the conference, or check out 
    
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      The coming generations do not understand the online world in the way that we do. They don't use it as a tool, they live there. The online world is full of people that will never step through the doors of a physical church for dozens of reasons. So, how do you reach someone that would rather go to hell than come to your church building? You have to start a church that's not limited by your street address. It's time for the church to truly inhabit a web address.
    
  
  
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      With so many churches jumping onboard the hybrid train in 2020, and others making dramatic shifts in this space, some churches have begun to wind down, let go dormant, or have considered stopping the online portion of their worship altogether. We are living in a “Great Commission” moment, and rather than retreating to the ways of the past, we must iterate into an exciting and fruitful future in the church. In this talk, we’ll explore 12 reasons to double down on hybrid, tactics to take it to the next level and talk about how to create participatory worship where people both online and in-person feel like they’re the primary audience. Now is the time to renew, and re-engage your passion for BOTH/AND worship!
    
  
  
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  Digital Discipleship: A Powerful Strategy for Making Disciples

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      What? For far too long, the church has been Sunday-centric in its mission, making disciples with a static strategy of gathering at a specific time in a specific place to grow in faith. With the busy pace of life today, that strategy is no longer effective as the church's sole disciple-making method. Learn how an intentional digital discipleship strategy can extend and expand your disciple-making influence throughout the week and beyond your borders! Digital is right where people are, right when they need it.
    
  
  
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  Church Anywhere: How Your Church can Use Digital to Start a Movement

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      Church online is essentially just online content, right? But the church is more than consuming a product. What would it look like if our ONLINE content could influence our OFFLINE world? This is the heart behind Church Anywhere. Tyler Sansom, Lead Pastor of Church Anywhere, leads a medium sized physical church in blue collar Corydon, IN, but through his digital expression of church is discipling people in multiple states, starting microlocations in missional areas around town and around the nation... oh, and he's baptized over 200 people in 2022. Come learn how digital can help your church's missional purpose and help you start movements.
    
  
  
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                    Is your church looking to develop a digital discipleship strategy to help your church thrive, grow, and even multiply? Jeff &amp;amp; THECHURCH.DIGITAL team has developed a process to help your church rediscover its digital why, grounded in disciple-making, digitally! For more information, check out 
    
  
  
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                    Video content is really important for your Church to be producing. The pandemic really strengthened platforms like TikTok as people were home for long periods of time and they were consuming short form videos. TikTok had such an impact that YouTube introduced Shorts and Instagram introduced Reels. All three of these platforms are really encouraging people to produce real, authentic, short form content to share with others.
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                    Recently, there has been lots of chatter about Congress is looking to ban TikTok over security concerns with China. In fact, they have banned it already on all government devices and more states are looking at banning in on a more local level. We have heard this before, when President Trump was in office, but now it seems like it has broader bi-partisan support. That could mean that TikTok would ultimately be banned on all App Stores in America.
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    &lt;!--more--&gt;                                While there is still a lot of uncertainty over whether it will be banned or not, one thing is for sure. If you are primarily sharing your content on one platform like TikTok, you might want to look into diversify. TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, just like every other social media platform, is rented space. At any time they can take that space away from you and you are left with nothing. TikTok has been an amazing platform for people of all ages and businesses have been able to share and connect with people. But, there are many other platforms out there your Church or Digital Missionaries can be sharing on. 
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      The first step in diversifying your content simply starts by taking the content you would normally share on one platform and share it across a variety of other platforms. You don't have to create tons of different content. You can use the same content on different platforms and continue to reach new people. For example, use what you would post on TikTok on Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts. There are different people on those platforms and you could use that short form video to reach people for Christ.
    
  
  
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                    Diversifying your video content is really important for you and your ministry to reach more people for Christ. These are just some of the many different types of content you can create, but not the only kinds. Prayerfully consider what God is placing on your heart to share and how you can share it. Just because one Church or ministry is producing a certain type of content and having success doesn't mean that you should. Make sure it aligns with your culture and that you share it through a variety of different platforms. 
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                    A church can exist without a building. That may seem counterintuitive, as churches are often viewed as physical places of worship that provide long-standing traditions and rituals for people to take part in. However, an effective church doesn’t need to be tied down by the constrictions of physical architecture – it can exist anywhere!
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                    At its core, a church is simply made up of a dedicated group of individuals who come together to share their beliefs and have fellowship with one another. This could happen at someone’s home, on the beach, or even in an online forum. The key element here is the congregation – not necessarily where they meet.
    
  
  
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                    Beyond just meeting up once a week, a church can exist without a physical building by providing support outside of the traditional church services. This can be anything from a weekly Bible study, to informal prayer groups or even online communities. 
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                    A vibrant community of believers is essential for any church, and this doesn’t require the confines of four walls and a roof. For example, many churches offer retreats or mission trips for their members – providing an opportunity to serve God in an entirely different environment while maintaining their sense of community. 
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                    Overall, it’s clear that a church can exist without a physical building. It may seem strange at first thought, but it’s possible through the power of prayer and fellowship with one another regardless of where they meet up. By taking advantage of modern technology and embracing new venues, churches can remain vibrant and strong without ever needing to step foot in a building. So go out there and create your own church, no matter where you are! 
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                    It’s time to move beyond the traditional definition of what it means to be a church. You don’t need four walls and a roof – all you need is faith, fellowship, and an open heart! A church can exist without a building – it just takes commitment from its members to make it happen. With this in mind, why not give it a try? Break free from the conventional definition of what constitutes a “church” and start fresh by creating something totally new that serves God in the best way possible. After all, nothing is impossible when it comes to faith! 
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                    John "Johno" Merritt has served as OKWU’s Director of Esports since 2020.
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                    Merritt is a native of Bartlesville, Oklahoma. He is a graduate of Oklahoma Wesleyan University who came to campus as a member of the soccer team. He graduated with a degree in ministry before joining the staff.
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                    Merritt has been an avid gamer for most of his life. At the age of 14, he began to create gaming content and compete in Esports, and this developed into a passion that he continued to develop as he matured. In college, Merritt became a verified Twitch Partner and developed a strong following as he created content based around his favorite games. Now sponsored by brands like Reebok, Madrinas Coffee, Bombanana Hot Sauce, and Brio Product Group, Merritt continues to be an influential voice in the gaming world. In 2020, he was interviewed by 
    
  
  
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Instagram has been in the social media news a lot lately. However, more for what is upsetting people on social media rather than making it right. So, is Instagram still worth it to use Instagram to engage with your community? Jennifer Benton shares different tips to engage your communion on Instagram.
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                    This past Christmas my wife bought a game for us to play as a family. It’s called ‘OK Boomer’, which is funny because that’s what my kids call us now (even thought we’re not, to be clear). The game was a blast to play and it highlighted different cultural experiences that we all had in our little generational slice of American historical experience. After playing the game until late at night with lots of laughter and story telling, I couldn’t help but notice how different the cultural markers were and how those cultural markers draw parallels to that generation’s expression of church.
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                    You can see it in the differences between Jewish culture and Gentile culture of the first century heavily influencing the way each expressed devotion to Jesus and culture’s affects can be seen today around the world where the American expression of church is wildly different from the church seen in other parts of the world like Africa, India, or Asia.
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                    So, I started to do some real scientific in-depth research. I asked ChatGPT. And what came up was surprising (which ChatGPT usually is), especially when thought of in comparison to each generation’s cultural markers in America with the American church expression that particular generation builds.
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                    I can’t help but notice how the church the Boomers built is prosperous, suburban, and thinks of technological advance in terms of television. Also, the counterculture movement was known for ‘sex, drugs, and rock and roll’ which seem to also have influenced the church as well.
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                    It’s just worth noting that our current expression of Church may be more cultural than we think it is. If you want to reach Boomers, talk about prosperity, plant your church in the suburbs and use TV and pop worship music, it all makes sense.
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                    God loved His people so much that He didn't wait for people to come to Him. He went to the people. In Young Life they have a phrase for their youth leaders, "go where they are." They take God's example and physically go where young people hung out and went to minister to them, on their territory. They went to school events, to popular youth hang out locations, and now to online places they hang out at. They are active on Instagram, TikTok, video games and other online environments. 
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                    "Go where they are" is not just a phrase youth leaders should have. It is a phrase that should inspire all ministers from all backgrounds, as well. That is why Pastors being on social media is so necessary. 
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                    Many ministers will often says that social media is so toxic that they can't possible be on it. Do you think that is what God thought when He sent Jesus to live among us? Had He thought this, Jesus would have never been on earth and people today would not have the hope of Christ in them. Social media can, in fact, be toxic. But that is exactly the reason why ministers need to be on social media.
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                    Pastors and minsters serve their communities as missionaries to that particular community. However, in this digital and online world we live in today, they have an opportunity to reach more people in their local community online. Many people check out Churches first online before they ever attend in person. As they see who the ministers are, they will sometimes check them out online and their social media profiles. By ministers being on social media, they have an opportunity for people to get to know them before they even step foot in your Church. Your social media engagement has a direct impact on your local community. 
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                    Ministers being active on social media is a great way for people to get to know the type of person you are. If you are kind, generous, loving and supportive, it will make a big impact. However, if you are a jerk, rude, arrogant and divisive, they are probably going try another Church. The more active you can be on social media encouraging others and offering positive, Godly insights, the more people will be inspire and want to get to know you and your Church better. You have a true opportunity to shine the light and hope of Christ to others.
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                    By ministers being on social media you have the opportunity to be the light of Christ to a very dark world. You also give people an opportunity to get to know you even before they come to your Church. It's a huge opportunity to make a difference in the lives of others. You don’t have to be on every social media platform, but you should be on at least one. Find one that you like and start engaging with others and see what God does. You will not only be impacting the online community, but you have a huge opportunity for your local community to get to know you as well. 
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      Mark is the lead and founding pastor of Lux Digital Church.  He lives in and has pastored outside of Pittsburgh, PA since 2010 and in March of 2021 he and his family decided to start an entirely online church in the gaming community.  He has two daughters named Brooklyn and Aria and spends most of his free time gaming and spending time with his family.  Mark is passionate about reaching people that would rather go to Hell than come to church and he believes that many of them can only be reached through the screen that's in front of them for hours every day.
    
  
    
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                    In today’s world, artificial intelligence is everywhere. From Amazon Alexa to Siri and beyond. But what about the church? Can AI help the church reach more people, or will it put an end to traditional religious practices? Let’s look at how AI is being used in the church and explore its potential both as a blessing and a curse.
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                    One of the most interesting ways AI has been used in churches is through chatbots. AI-powered chatbots are becoming increasingly popular with churches as they can provide 24/7 support for members of their congregation. These chatbots are programmed with natural language processing, allowing them to converse with people in a human-like way. They can answer questions, provide comfort and support during difficult times, and even offer prayer requests.
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                    Another exciting area where AI is being used in the church is virtual reality services. Churches have begun using VR technology to create immersive experiences that allow people to feel like they are actually attending services from anywhere in the world. This technology also allows churches to host virtual events such as baptisms, weddings, and funerals that people can attend from anywhere in the world. It also provides an opportunity for visitors who may not be comfortable attending physical services for any reason to still get an authentic experience without having to leave their homes.
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                    Robotics is another area where artificial intelligence is being used in churches around the world. Robotics can be used for a variety of tasks including cleaning, security patrols, and even providing sermon readings during services. Robots can also be programmed to interact with congregants on a more personal level by offering words of encouragement or prayers when requested. This could be especially useful for those who may not feel comfortable speaking up during services or engaging with other members of the congregation face-to-face.
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                    As you can see, there are many ways artificial intelligence can be utilized by churches all over the world! While some may view this as a threat to traditional religious practices, there’s no denying that AI presents incredible opportunities for churches to reach more people than ever before through these innovative technologies! Whether you view it as a blessing or a curse, one thing's for sure: AI will continue to revolutionize how we experience faith moving forward!
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                    Technology is always changing and evolving. And, it is changing at a very rapid pace. Online ministry is based in technology. And, because of this, online ministry is always evolving and updating. To help keep you updated on all the latest trends in social media, live stream, digital discipleship and all things online ministry, 
    
  
  
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                    Because online ministry is always changing, it can be easy to have success one day and failures the next. That is why Tom's conversation with Justin Nava is important. Justin shares about the importance of having a strategy so that you don't let the failures discourage you from misses in online ministry. Hear more about implementing your online strategy in this conversation 
    
  
  
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                    People are leaving the church.
    
  
  
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                    And as with any problem that has faced the church since her birth, those who comment on it are looking for where to place the blame.
    
  
  
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    When the pandemic happened there was a surge in realization that the internet could be used as a tool to keep people connected. It was a miracle! When other plagues had come for humanity, people were much worse off, because they didn’t have the internet. Lucky us!
    
  
  
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    However, as time wore on and the siren song of structure sang out, online church didn’t just lose it’s appeal, it became a scapegoat. We’ve reopened the doors. If people don’t return it must be because they’ve become lazy, satisfied with a video version of faith. They are sacrificing community for convenience. It’s them, not us.
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                    I’ve spent countless hours talking with people about digital church both for the Pocket Pulpit and as a matter of interest. I have looked and looked at what could be found in Scripture to address the topic. I’ve built friendships that developed online that I had the blessing to carry into in-person experiences and then return to their previous digital state.
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                    People are leaving the church, but they aren’t leaving because they prefer pjs to pews. They are leaving because the church is increasingly being perceived as being False.
    
  
  
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    Case after case of high profile Christians and large denominations involved in and covering up abuse and scandal. Flying drummers and copywright-be-damned Jesus versions of Hamilton. On any given social media app you can find the message communicated in the platform’s preferred style which says, “The church taught me about a Jesus who cares about the poor, the sick, the broken, the outcast, the foreigner…but showed me a people who didn’t do any of those things.”
    
  
  
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    People are tired of False.
    
  
  
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    It is correct that using online tools, people can create false idols exceedingly quickly and well. It is correct that shaping a service in the image of a production is not worship. It is correct that we are made to crave community.
    
  
  
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    It is incorrect that digital church is contrary to incarnate worship or community or the work of the church.
    
  
  
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                    We all understand the inherent risks associated with online tools. Their addictive nature and the silent persuasiveness of the algorithm are absolutely something to be treated with caution, concern and care. This has caused some to call for a blanket ban of social media and to urge the church to take a stand against it.
    
  
  
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    A car which transports us to in person worship may also spin off the road, strike a tree and kill everyone inside.
    
  
  
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    We do not abandon a tool because it has created harm. We learn to use it properly. We tailor the circumstances where it may be appropriately used. We place warning labels on it so others may be safe. We create restrictions and licenses so that we may regulate its use in our society. We raise our children to use the tool safely.
    
  
  
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    Paul continues in this letter to encourage Titus to “teach what is consistent with sound instruction.” He speaks of the responsibility of the believers in Crete to conduct themselves at a higher standard when engaging in the culture around them and in relationship with one another. This is the heart of the matter. Paul did not advise Titus to draw his people inward, away from the corrupting influence of the Cretens. Rather, Paul instructed Titus to guide the believers well as they engaged in that culture, so that those in that area might see and desire Christ.
    
  
  
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    We appear to be hypocrites drawing circles around this activity or that, swayed by the next popular thing we choose to oppose. All the while the church in America is perceived as turning a blind eye to many more illicit, dangerous and vile ills being permitted and perpetrated inside the in-person walls of the church. As we present a false depiction of Christ-likeness, the watching world shakes their head at the church.
    
  
  
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    It is the responsibility of the people using the tools and the society governing the usage to set appropriate boundaries and train her people how to use tools well. The church should be learning how to use social media wisely and how to use the algorithm to impact positive pervasive change.
    
  
  
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                    In 2007 a show premiered called The Guild. This show was about a group of online gamers who formed relationships and become involved at different levels in one anothers’ lives. The idea that people are connecting online was presented as a given, something that the viewer just accepted as fact. This understood concept has only gained acceptance as social media and gaming have grown and as the world experienced a pandemic which forced many people to seek connection online.
    
  
  
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                    We have made so much progress with technology over the past 20 years. What seemed Jetson-ish back then is happening today. For instance, we now have daily video calls on small devices that can connect people all over the world. We have self-driving cars, robot vacuum cleaners, homes that will automatically heat or cool by simply speaking a command phrase. And, this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many more technological advancements coming our way.
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                    When Christ called his disciples to go reach the ends of the earth and share the gospel in Matthew 28:19-20, people had to physically go to those places. Those places could take months to get to and lots of financial help to support the work. We called these people Missionaries. Now, however, with the help of technology, people can reach the ends of the earth with a smartphone or internet connection. People have the opportunity to share about Christ across many different digital platforms in a variety of different ways. We call these people Digital Missionaries. 
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                    This book is designed to help everyday believers share their faith online. In this book, they cover everything what some misconceptions are of digital ministry, how to overcome some insecurities we may have about sharing our faith, and, most importantly, they share the different ways you can share, step by step. In addition, they discuss the importance of prayer, enjoying shared experiences together digitally, serving others and more. It is a fantastic training manual for everyone who would like to learn how to share their faith and about Jesus online.Even if you are a Minister looking to raise up Digital Missionaries at your Church, then this book would be a perfect support for those missionaries to get started. Either way, this book is the perfect book for your online ministry collection. Get 
    
  
  
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      So, your church started broadcasting your services, you got a few online hosts, and even launched a few Zoom small groups.  You might even call it your "Online Campus" and have a staff member splitting their time between your online campus and graphic design or worship production.  Perhaps your story differs a bit and you have more or less of a digital presence.  
    
  
  
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      No matter where you are, if you are reading this, you are likely frustrated with the lack of engagement you are getting during services.  Adding to your frustration you likely have no idea what to do and someone from your staff or your lead pastor has likely said something to the effect of “That’s consumeristic Christianity for you”.  But is that the fault of the person logging in to your service on Sunday morning or is it our fault?   
    
  
  
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                    First off, consumeristic Christianity is not a symptom of digital space.
    
  
  
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    Consumerism in church is a product of years of the church pouring our resources, time, and energy into the Sunday show and not into discipleship.
    
  
  
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    I’m not hating on or even saying that it hasn’t worked.
    
  
  
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    Being the best thing in town on a Sunday morning has worked well for the church.
    
  
  
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    Many people have been saved in this approach and through intentional processes that exist outside of Sunday morning they have also been discipled.
    
  
  
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    However, when you put your foot into the online world you are not competing with the movie theater down the street or some other local attraction and the church simply can’t compete with the nearly infinite sea of digital entertainment only a click away.
    
  
  
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    Why would I hang out in your church when I could watch dozens of people preach on the same exact topic with better sound and video quality then you with a quick search on YouTube?
    
  
  
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    For now, I just want to point out that we complain about consumeristic Christianity being exasperated because of the internet and yet we continue to ship ONLY the most consumeristic parts of our church out to the online world.
    
  
  
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    It's like we put out a bird feeder in the yard and then get ticked off when birds keep showing up.
    
  
  
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    You don’t want consumeristic Christians only interested in being fed into spiritual obesity?
    
  
  
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    Then you better do more than dump bird seed in the yard.
    
  
  
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    Someone shows up for service and touches base with their small group leader while they grab a cup of coffee.
    
  
  
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                    All these things are vital and important to your church, and they all help people move from consumption to participation.
    
  
  
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    The regular feels connected to their pastor and got the chance to share what is going on in their life.
    
  
  
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    These are just as important, and I will venture to say more important, then your worship set or your sermon.
    
  
  
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                    In the same way your live stream can’t be out of focus, out of sync, or a second thought if you want to keep people engaged or coming back.
    
  
  
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                    First time guests need a place to go after service and that can’t be a webpage or survey.
    
  
  
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                    For the most part, it came unexpectedly on Friday. I had heard rumors for a month or so that it was coming, but it was Carl Barnhill from 12:30 Media who forwarded me the official news this past Friday: AltspaceVR is closing.
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                    For those in the know, AltspaceVR is one of the oldest social worlds in virtual reality. Started in 2013, AltspaceVR was acquired by Microsoft in 2017. Unfortunately for the current user base, Microsoft is shutting down AltspaceVR, with the world officially closing its doors on March 10, 2023.
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                    The uninformed will quickly cite that this is an example of people rejecting virtual reality technology. I think this is a premature observation. Yes, it's well documented how tough it is for large tech organizations in 2023 (I'm willing to bet we'll return to this topic again soon here on the blog). Still, it is important to realize that Microsoft was a little out of its league when it acquired AltspaceVR.
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                    Believe it or not, the makers of Word, Excel, and Powerpoint may not be experts on social community. Even as Microsoft swan-songs AltspaceVR, they touted the next implementation of Microsoft's virtual reality product - Microsoft Mesh! Coming soon to virtual workplaces near you. Who cares about social community? Let's work more efficiently!!!
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                    Strong parental controls. Blended user base. Churches invested time and money into these worlds. And according to Microsoft, churches will not be able to capitalize on that investment after March 10, when Microsoft closes the doors on AltspaceVR. With all due respect, these churches deserve a moment to mourn. Churches like Oasis Church VR come to mind. Their unique approach to church leads them to create a new virtual reality world each week... I would dare suggest thousands of volunteer programmer and designer hours over the past year completely down the drain with Microsoft's decision. VR Church, Cornerstone VR, Lakeland VR, Prayer Garden, Living Room VR, and numerous others scrambling to find a new home.
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                    Some would say that this is the reason why churches should not experiment with virtual reality. Others would say that this is a sign that virtual reality will not succeed. I have a different vantage point. I think the Metaverse Church will be better off due to this decision.
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                    Loyal AltspaceVR users want to tar and feather my avatar, but give me a minute to talk through here. I believe missionally, ministry is better outside of AltspaceVR. Closing AltspaceVR down does not mean the end of ministry in VR... the closing is meant to breathe new life into missional vr. To prove my point, let's look at what ministry looked like in Altspace VR, and three reasons why ministry will be better post-AltspaceVR:
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                    Why? Well, the safeness of Altspace... those strong parental controls... the global tech company that didn't want a lawsuit and ruled with an iron fist... that is exactly why people ran from AltspaceVR to some of the other virtual social worlds. Because no one is ruling VRchat with an iron fist. Strangely, we don't trust large tech companies. We trust some organizations we've never heard of over Microsoft. The Church will have far more potential reach outside of AltspaceVR than it did in the world.
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                    AltspaceVR was creating a blended world that reached everyone. The Metaverse is shaping out not to reach "everyone" but to reach "someone," Even massive universes like VRchat and (theoretically) Meta's Horizon Worlds will need to focus on personas and target audiences to be effective. In the growing Metaverse Culture, the Church will succeed in smaller, more targeted conversations. 
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                    So, if you're looking to explore virtual reality ministry, or you were an Altspace user, and now you're homeless, here's a listing of some other social worlds to explore.
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                    Dr. John Harris has a passion to see pastors win so that churches grow in every expression of church. He enjoys coaching pastors and seeing them begin to lead with the excitement, focus, and confidence. In over 29 years of ministry, he has served as a chaplain in the United States Air Force, Christian Education Pastor, Teaching Pastor, Small Groups Pastor, and Executive Pastor.
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                    Being online with live streaming capability not only enables your church to get to experience church and community together on any given Sunday but it is really helpful when a snowstorm or untimely event shuts your Church and other Churches down. For instance, because your Church was streaming live, other people who were without church that week could experience God's word and worship on those weeks. 
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      Jason Shepperd planted Church Project, a “Church of House Churches,” in The Woodlands, TX, in 2010. The pursuit of Rethinking and Returning to what Christ originally intended for His church to be led to beginning with a group of 40 people in two House Churches, and has turned into a movement of thousands of people, gathered in many House Churches, in different cities, states, and countries. This Decentralized expression of church Distributes leadership to empowered lay pastors, who fully pastor Diverse Discipleship communities which carry out all of the functions of a church. Local House Churches are connected by common overseers and shared local and global ministries. One result of a connected movement of House Churches is simplicity that allows for radical collective generosity, focusing almost $10 million in their first 12 years toward gospel centered ministries and church planting.
    
  
    
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      Jason also leads Church Project Network, and House Church Network, which are collectives of churches aligned around the commitment to be a “Church of House Churches”, and Good City, a city centrality for local ministry collaboration and support. He wrote the books “A Church of House Churches: An Articulated and Applied Ecclesiology,” and, “Church Project: A Biblical, Simple, Relevant Pursuit of Church,” to explain the conviction and process that led to Church Project. Jason pastors Church Project, writes and speaks about ecclesiology, and consults churches on how to become a Church of House Churches. Jason loves all things family, sports, competition, outdoors, travel, and trekking mountains. Jason lives in The Woodlands, TX, with his wife Brooke, and their family.
    
  
    
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      As COVID restrictions continue to relax, most churches have returned to physical buildings. Did broadcasting church services work for your congregation? You had viewers watching your church services, but who were they? Did you know their names or stories? Or were they just a number on an analytics report? Many churches are glad this digital experiment is over and believe they are better off without an online church.
    
  
  
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      So the best earthly expression of Heaven come down to earth…the Church, is when cultural diversity is embraced in all it’s cultural forms around the worship and proclamation of Jesus. Even if the culture is different than ours. Even if it’s an online culture, but we’ll get to that in a moment.
    
  
  
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                    Winter officially starts December 21st and ends March 19th. It happens every year. And while Christmas is always on the front end of the winter months, these months can be hard and challenging. It's cold, dark and with the start of the new year, it can be a time of reflection about life. A life that isn't always wonderful.
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                    As a Church, this provides you a really great opportunity to minister to your community. One of the ways you can do that is by blogging. Blogging is still a very important way to share content online as it really helps with search engine optimization (SEO). See, when someone types in a question or is searching something on Google, your Church and the blog post you have written could pop up and encourage someone. That is why blogging can still be a great piece of content that your Church can do regularly.
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                    So, what kinds of blog posts can your Church make over the winter months? How can you encourage people? Here are 5 different ways. 
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      Patrick Miller is a pastor and cultural commentator who writes about politics, culture, and technology, contributing articles to Christianity Today, Newsweek, The Gospel Coalition, and other publications. His podcast, "Truth Over Tribe," is one of Apple's top news commentary podcasts, featuring interviews with leading Christian thinkers, writers, and scholars. He's the co-author of Truth Over Tribe: Pledging Allegiance to the Lamb, Not the Donkey or the Elephant. Patrick received a Master of Divinity from Covenant Theological Seminary, and pastors a politically diverse church, The Crossing. He and his wife, Emily, have two children.
    
  
    
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                    Technology is always changing. It doesn't matter if it is major change, like a hardware set, or a minor change, like a software update, it is updating regularly. That is what makes the start of the new year so special as people expect new updates to their favorite tech devices. And, with CES happening at the beginning of January, there are bound to be even more new tech shared that will help you in your professional and personal life. 
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                    So what are the new tech that are out now that you can check out and see how they help you as you enter another year in ministry? Here are 
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                    Every year technology is changing. Either something new will be released or an update to a current product will happen. All of these advancements are designed to help you in your professional and personal life. And, hopefully they can help you in ministry in some way so that more people can hear about Christ and their lives be changed for eternity.
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      Doing virtual reality ministry is, simply put, ironic. There are many things within virtual ministry that the average church leader perceives as a negative when in reality, it’s a strength. I love seeing churches explore virtual reality. It’s a joy to watch pastors, planters, and practitioners make virtual reality ministry happen, resulting in a physical reality.
    
  
  
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      : The challenge of a church in the Metaverse is to actually look at these avatars not as pixels or cartoons, but human people. We need to see that there is a quite real reality in these virtual worlds. With that in mind, we need to pray for the Spirit’s leading, prompting us to see these worlds, these people, through Jesus’ eyes.
    
  
  
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                    In June 2000, Jeff led his first Online Bible Study, taking 75 people around the planet through the book of James using a text-based system called Ultimate BB. He was doing digital ministry way before it was cool. Founding THECHURCH.DIGITAL in 2018, Jeff’s passions have evolved into helping churches (and individuals too!) find their calling through digital discipleship, releasing people on digital mission, and planting multiplying digital churches. This pursuit is realized through DigitalChurch.Network, an organic, decentralized network for digital expressions of church. The DCN vision is achieved by working with the team NewThing Network. Jeff also champions Metaverse Church development as the Director of Metaverse Church NEXT for Leadership Network, and works closely Exponential and other globally facing, multiplication friendly, gospel-centric organizations. 
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The Christmas season is a special time of year. There are lots of celebrations and opportunities to rejoice. And that includes your volunteer leadership team. Christmas is a great time of year to honor and appreciate them. But, how can you do that?
Cory Sullivan joins the podcast to share different ideas you can do for your volunteers this Christmas season  



 
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                    Panos Kourtesis serves as National Director of Partnerships for One More Child. One More Child, established in 1904, is an international organization that provides Christ-centered services to vulnerable children and struggling families. This includes serving foster children, hungry children, trafficked children, children of single moms, and families in need of support.
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                    Panos has a passion for equipping, resourcing, and connecting churches to serve children and families in their own communities. Panos considers his graduate education, ministry experience, and life experiences as blessings that have equipped him to make a difference locally, nationally, and globally through living a life with a passion for compassion. He and his wife Sarah were part of the launching of a new church plant in Miami called Reality Church Miami, where he is currently serving on the executive leadership team.
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                    Robert Zarahn is the Executive Director of Initiatives for One More Child. In this role he oversees the “Every Child Every City Initiatives” to reach children and families around the country and the globe. These initiatives include helping foster families, mentoring single moms, feeding hungry children, fighting child sex trafficking, and global child sponsorship. Before serving in this role, he served as the Senior Director of Foster Care.
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                    t's finally here! It's Christmas season time! With that comes a lot of opportunities for your Church to minister to your community. This is not just for your in person community, but it also applies to your online community. We live in a phygital world where the lines between in person and online are blurred. There is not just "online only" or "in person only" type of opportunity any more. What you offer at your Church can be a combination of both. It can be phygital.
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                    So what can your Church do and offer this Christmas season that will minister to people in your online and in person community? Here are some ideas:
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      . Digital Missionaries are people who use social media and other online tools to share about Christ to the online community. They can do this through writing, video, audio, photography, and other online tools. They are also people who use social media to share about what your Church is doing online. They can share it through their own social media accounts or they can also share it on community pages, highlighting events or activities your Church is doing that the community may enjoy. 
    
  
  
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                    Andre Anderson is a Lead Pastor, entrepreneur, and energetic speaker with a conversational style and a heart to help pastors reach this generation. He has been in youth ministry for over 24 years and has developed multiple coaching programs that helps youth ministries get unstuck. Andre has been helping take the guesswork out of Youth Ministry with proven &amp;amp; practical systems that ensure that youth ministries are at peak productivity &amp;amp; their systems are built right to ensure ministry health &amp;amp; effectiveness. 
    
  
  
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      <description>The Christmas season is upon us. So, what are you planning on doing this Christmas at your Church? In particular, what are you looking to do for your online community? 
To talk about this is Jake McNamara, the Online Pastor at The Compass Church in Illinois. Jake shares about what his Church is doing this Christmas season and encourages us that this is possible for any online community leading up to Christmas.



 
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Share your thoughts! What are you doing this Christmas season? What encourages you from this conversation? Share below or on Twitter by reaching out to Tom. Keep this conversation going online. 
If you want to connect with Jake check him out on Twitter. He is very active on social media so definitely connect with him if you have a question. Make sure you follow him as well!
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                    For over twenty years Ben has created &amp;amp; captured moving and memorable moments for individuals, non-profits &amp;amp; corporations across the globe. He has served on the executive team of multiple megachurches including Christ Fellowship Miami and Liquid Church. He currently serves as the Executive Pastor at The Life Christian Church leading staff and volunteers to execute the vision and mission of the church. TLCC is located in West Orange, New Jersey and is known for its active hospitality, vibrant diversity and robust leadership culture. Ben also coaches individuals, consults for churches and speaks at conferences about leadership, communication and creativity.
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                    Thanksgiving is right around the corner! It's a great time of year to be with family, friends and eat lots of delicious food. Because Thanksgiving is such a community centric holiday, it also provides a great opportunity for your Church to minister to others in your community. Whether it is in person, online or phygital events, there are lots of ways your Church can provide experiences that will enable you to minister to those around you.
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                    Just like a lot of holidays, Thanksgiving provides a variety of opportunities for Churches to minister to the community. Here are five different ideas but there are probably other in person, online and phygital opportunities. Use any of these and see what God does in your ministry and community as you close out the year and start a new one. 
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                    In June 2000, Jeff led his first Online Bible Study, taking 75 people around the planet through the book of James using a text-based system called Ultimate BB. He was doing digital ministry way before it was cool. Founding 
    
  
  
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                    Does it work? Does caring for a soul work via text messaging? Jonathan’s got the inside scoop and examples of how he (and his staff and volunteers) are regularly pastoring people nationally using texting tools… oh and don’t sleep on some of the decentralized conversations we’re having here as well.
    
  
  
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                    Hang out with Jeff &amp;amp; Jonathan as they’re talking Pastor Chat on this episode of The Church Digital Podcast
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                    Jonathan Song has been part of Churchome since 2010 and is currently the Pastor Chat Manager, serving Churchome’s global community through their digital platforms. Born and raised in Tacoma, Washington, he is a proud Korean-American and is a graduate of Northwest University in Kirkland, Washington with a Bachelor’s Degree in both Pastoral Ministry and Biblical Studies. When he’s not in front of his computer, you can find him looking for a great cup of coffee and an even better bite of food.
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      In 2021, On an earlier episode of The Church Digital Podcast, the Roths shared with us their Digital Church Research Report, detailing the findings of a new model of church… digital churches! In 2022, the Roths have expanded their research, detailing the idea of Digital Discipleship, and how discipleship is impacting physical, digital, metaversal and even gaming churches.
    
  
  
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                    Jared Roth is the Co-Founder of Sprout Digital. From his perspective as a futurist and strategist,he is passionate about discovering patterns in fresh environments. As a life-long church planting advocate, he is passionate about learning from innovators in digital and metaverse spaces.
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    Ann Roth is the Co-Founder of Sprout Digital. She shared the original idea to create Sprout Digital after meeting with digital church planters and hearing their stories. These innovators in digital spaces are experimenting in new frontiers. What can we learn from them? Ann began her career as a church planter at age 23. She has developed resources for church planter selection, training and coaching that were distributed in several languages. She led the department of church planting for a large denomination in the US, and provided training in several global regions. As Co-Lead Pastor of a multiplying church, she mentored and sent out a planting team or pastor each year.
  

  
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                     Why are some Churches still not using audio blogging or podcasting? The answer to this question varies depending on the type of Church you are and the community you serve. Regardless of why not, Anchor.fm, addresses a lot of those with a service that can help any Church overcome that and effectively start podcasting. 
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                    Podcasting is a very effective way to communicate and encourage people in your Church and community. There are a lot of podcasting hosts out there for your Church to utilize. While there may be other platforms that can give you deeper analytics and editing abilities, Anchor.fm is perfect for your Church to start getting into podcasting and share audio content. Even if you are using another podcasting host right now, Anchor.fm gives you easy ways to migrate it over. Try it out and see if it is a right fit for you and your Church.
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  ARE DAOS AND NFTS LEGIT?

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      As the Church looks to Blockchain &amp;amp; Crypto, are DAOs and NFTs legit? Are these gimmicks, or is there a future for the church in the new technologies? Are NFTs legitimate, or is this a gimmick? In a recent Digital Church Network Roundtable we dug into the legitimacy of blockchain and cryptocurrencies. Part two in the series, we’ll be exploring the idea of DAOs and NFTs. 
    
  
  
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  RESOURCES

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  ABOUT 
      
        JON DENGLER

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      Philanthropist, Humanitarian, Executive Director, and all-around nice guy. Jon created WellBuilt Bikes from a need he saw after developing The Well organization years ago, and was recently listed in Real Leaders' 2018 100 Visionary Leaders. On any given day you can find him involved in raising funds to keep these missions alive, to polishing the refurbished bikes we have for sale.
    
  
  
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  ABOUT JASON DUKES

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      Jason founded Westpoint church in Florida seven years ago and continues to lead the church as the senior pastor. The amazing opportunities they have as God continues to grow their ministry. Jason held a key role in creating the Restoration Concept, House Blend Cafe, the Reproducing Churches network, and the Church of West Orange. He also founded, humanitybeautiful.com, a website that shares the incredible stories of Christians serving on mission throughout the world. Jason published the book Live Sent with New Hope Publishers. He and his wife, Jen, have five children and live in central Florida.
    
  
  
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      <title>Why Photography is Still Important to Your Online Presence</title>
      <link>https://be.thechurch.digital/blog/why-photography-is-still-vital-to-your-online-presence</link>
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Video is vital for your online and social media presence for your Church. But, before there was video, photography was just that. And while video is the "it" thing to post today, having a strong photography presence is really important for your Church. Why is that? Ben Stapley explains in this interview.


Ben currently serves as the Executive Pastor at The Life Christian Church and has had a lot of experience in both photography and video.


 
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Share your thoughts! How are you using photography for your Church's online presence? Share below or on Twitter by reaching out to Tom.


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      <title>EP237: How To Turbo Charge Your Digital Outreach For Free!</title>
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  GET YOUR CHURCH SIGNED UP FOR 
    
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      http://thechurch.digital/hegetsus

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                    One of the largest Christian Technology Companies in America, GLOO has been helping churches figure out how to better use data. Recently, GLOO has focused on a national marketing campaign called “He Gets Us.” These ads, run online as well as other ad channels, have been un-earthing spiritual explorers and connecting them to partnering churches for relationship and even discipleship.
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                    Talk about doing something different to connect with different people! The He Gets Us campaign is an incredible opportunity for lots of churches, if not especially for those embracing a digital discipleship process.
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    Prior to Gloo, Brad co-founded Ministry Brands, which is the world's largest church/ministry technology company. As President, he worked with over 40 businesses who provided various apps and services to churches. As a former church tech founder himself, Brad has had decades of perspective to see patterns in tech innovation that can help the Church further its mission.
  

  
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    Jason Vanderground is President of HAVEN. In this role, he provides overall strategic, client and staff leadership for the firm. Jason and Bill rejoined forces in 2021 and are building on a professional relationship that spans nearly 25 years. Jason previously spent 10 years, from 1997 to 2007, working for Bill McKendry at Hanon McKendry. Between that tenure and coming on board at HAVEN, Jason’s career took him to significant marketing leadership positions at both Spectrum Health System and Steelcase Office Furniture.
  

  
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                    On October 28, 2021 the company formerly known as Facebook changed it's name to Meta. This move was a bold statement and ultimately a change in direction for the company. They were not just a company that focused on social media platforms, It indicated that it was going all in on the metaverse (also known as virtual reality) and work to develop that across all their platforms. 
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                    Almost a year after Meta made big news in their change of focus and the metaverse is still developing. While people are still trying to understand what it looks like and how you can engage with other in it, businesses continue to invest in and explore the possibilities. In the same way, Churches need to do the same. They do not necessarily need to jump in full force right now, but they need to continue to look at it and explore. What step can you take today to start exploring what the metaverse could mean for your Church.
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Taylor Terpstra has been doing Online Youth Ministry for the past 2 years. In fact, he is the Online Youth Lead at Sandals Church in California. To my knowledge, he is still the only Online ONLY Student Minister. 
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                    Nate Graybill is the National Director and founder of Re:generation Recovery at Watermark Community Church in Dallas, TX. Nate found healing from pornography through Christ in 2000 and started a Celebrate Recovery ministry at Watermark in 2002. Four years later, Nate left his career in strategic planning and business development to officially join Watermark’s staff to oversee Re:generation. Today, the Dallas campus Re:generation ministry is the largest weekly recovery gathering in the world serving over 1000 participants a week, hundreds of churches across the U.S. and several foreign countries. Nate now serves on a team dedicated to supporting churches that wish to launch Watermark’s group-based care ministries.
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                    Is there an opportunity to do something different? Enter Michael Beck, one of the loudest voices in America towards fresh expressions. Michael is releasing a new book “Fresh Expressions of the Rural Church” where Michael and co-author Tyler Kleeberger discuss innovative ideas surrounding the Rural Church.
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                    "Rev. Dr. Michael Beck is a pastor, professor, and author. He is a spiritual guide who helps people heal, love, and unleash imagination to create better lives, organizations, and communities. Michael and his wife Jill are co-pastors of Wildwood UMC in Wildwood, Florida, St. Marks UMC in Ocala, Florida, and a network of 13 fresh expressions led by laity that gather in tattoo parlors, dog parks, burrito joints, and digital spaces including Living Room Church VR. They direct an inpatient rehab center, a shelter for those experiencing homelessness, and an anti-racism movement.
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                    Beck serves as the director of Fresh Expressions for the Florida UMC, director of the Fresh Expressions House of Studies at United Theological Seminary, and director of ReMissioning for Fresh Expressions US. Beck has a passion for helping laity and clergy plant new forms of church. In addition to teaching as an adjunct professor at several seminaries, he coaches, trains, and educates leaders internationally across a broad theological spectrum and has consulted with hundreds of churches, districts, denominations, networks, synods, and dioceses.
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      <title>How to Get Started Writing a Book</title>
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Have you ever had an idea for a book? What did you do with that idea? Robert Carnes has just completed his third book, "The Story Cycle" and joins the podcast to talk about his book, how it came about, what he hopes to accomplish with it and how you, too, can write your own book.
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Share your thoughts! Have you ever thought about getting your idea published before? How has this helped you? Share your thoughts below or on social media. 
Robert is a great resource for writing and marketing. He’s on Twitter, has a website and you can find his book, "The Story Cycle" 
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                    Fortunately, God has equipped us with imagination, allowing us an opportunity to come up with different, creative ideas to connect with people. And, as a result of COVID, there is probably no better time in human history for imaginative ideas than right now.
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                    How can these ideas be used for kingdom purposes? How can we network or collaborate with others to make this Missional Imagination a reality? Let’s dig into this Missional Imagination conversation with Patrick O’Connell, Global Director of NewThing Network. NewThing specializes in collaboration, and the idea of unique expressions of church (physically and digitally) is right up their alley. The idea of Missional Imagination is the front door to NewThing’s Movement System, which is crucial to NewThing’s (and DCN’s) desire to start organic disciple-making movements!
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      Patrick O’Connell is the Director of NewThing. After graduating college and a stint in the Army, he went to work in the corporate world, eventually becoming a Vice President in a prestigious investment firm. It was during this time that he connected with COMMUNITY and eventually found his way back to God. In 2007, he left his business and moved with a team of people to Kansas City to help start Restore Community Church. Soon after, he began coaching and mentoring church planters. He's become a student of church planting, enrolling in the Master of Missional Church Movements Program at Wheaton College. He wants to leverage his knowledge, experiences and passion for Jesus to help people start more churches that help even more people find their way back to God. He's married to Nancy and they have three great kids: Bailie (19), Declan (14) and Cormac (10). Patrick blogs at 
    
  
  
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                    Joey Santos has been on The Church Digital Podcast in the past, talking about his experiences doing church at a physical bar in Ohio. A self-proclaimed “Pastor at the Bar”, I wasn’t surprised in a recent conversation when Joey said,
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                    Church in a VR Bar is a bit away from reality, but I wanted you to hear the heart behind the idea of a VR Bar. Catch a vision for the VR Bar, and maybe find out the role you (and your church) can play…
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                    And, knowing us, this is only the beginning as we explore creating more shared experiences in virtual reality… only here on The Church Digital Podcast.
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                    "One of my passions is to pour my life into helping the body of Christ to learn, develop, and grow in maturity of faith and relationship with Jesus Christ.
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                    I believe in the power of one – one life committed to Jesus can make an enormous impact when connected to another life committed to Jesus. When those lives become connected with other lives by passion and vision, the power to impact our world with the love and message of Jesus grows exponentially. It all starts with one. Perhaps you are that one – I believe you can reach your full potential in Jesus.
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      <title>How to Create Shareable Content for Your Church</title>
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While no one knows what it takes for a piece of content to go viral, there are some things you can do at your Church to create shareable content. Today Cory Sullivan joins the podcast to discuss what is shareable content and how can Churches create that content that people want to share to their friends and others.  



 
Subscribe: Apple Podcast | Android | Spotify | RSS



 
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What about you? What other factors go into creating shareable content?  Share them with us below or on social media
Cory is a great resource and you can find him blogging here.  You can also follow him on Instagram here. He's a great resource so hit him up and pick his brain.





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                    Jeff is getting interviewed by Pastor and Author Doug Bursch. Virtually complete strangers, Jeff and Doug meet for the first time in this podcast recording and discuss the challenges and obstacles of social media and digital church. 
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                    Social media has always been a good way for student ministers to connect with students. But, when Covid hit, student ministers got even more creative and found even more ways to connect with students during the pandemic. While it was a great time of experimenting and investing in online and digital tools, the reality is that as soon as being in person again it was back to being in person and less than connecting digitally or online. 
    
  
  
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                    Each student minister has to do what is best for their ministry. However, what ministry during the pandemic has taught us is that there is plenty of ways to connect, encourage and disciple others, especially digitally. As school is in session, and students become more busy, creating online and digital opportunities for students to connect with student ministers and volunteers leaders is going to be key to helping students grow in their faith this year. 
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                    While it is clear that may youth ministers prefer to minister to youth in person, being online and using digital tools and platforms to connect with students is a great way to do that. Students have their phones and mobile devices with them at all times. You can use the resources at the palm of your hands to encourage, inspire and help students have fun this school year. Ultimately, it will help aid your connection with students that will hopefully lead to more discipleship and outreach opportunities. 
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                    Seacoast gets it. To reach different people you have to do something different, and Seacoast is doing something different. What are they doing? Well, I don’t want to give it away here in the intro but...
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                    Vague enough for you? Dig into the podcast and discover what Seacoast is up to, and how you can experiment with this idea as well.
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                    Ryan is the Online Campus Pastor for Seacoast, a multi-site mega-church in the Carolinas. Ryan began his ministry career by working in youth ministry before moving to Charleston in 2007 to begin full-time ministry as the Worship Pastor in Mount Pleasant.
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                    In 2010, Ryan joined Seacoast Church as a Worship Leader and later became the Assistant Campus Pastor. Today he serves as the  Online Campus Pastor for McClellanville. Ryan has worked extensively in disaster relief, and currently Chairs the Disaster Recovery Network serving Berkeley, Charleston, and Dorchester counties.
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                    This approach helps to intentionally focus on multiplying. In this season of infancy, when digital ministry is new and often misunderstood, successful digital churches need to apprentice in order to multiply.
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                    What does apprenticing look like in digital and metaverse spaces? Let’s dig in with Eric Metcalf and find out here on The Church Digital Podcast.
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        Eric Metcalf serves as a coach for Courage to Lead, NewThing Global Executive Director and NewThing Chicagoland Director. He planted a church in the city of Chicago, launched NewThing’s Leadership Residency Program, directed NewThing and provided leadership to Community Christian Church’s Small Group Ministry.
      
    
      
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                    While Online Ministry has existed long before Covid hit the world, it has highly been a controversial ministry. Many ministry leaders and Church attendees love and value it. However, there are many ministry leaders who devalue the impact and importance of Online Ministry. It has been and looks like it will continue to be a polarizing ministry.
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        "Online ministry helped me try out a bunch of churches during the pandemic that helped me find the church my family and I have been attending and serving at. Online helps us feel welcomed before we step foot into a building. It has also given me opportunities to connect to God and grow my faith. From small messages of encouragement, listening to sermons, small devotionals to spending time with people digitally to encourage one another."
      
    
    
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        "I know a teenager who wanted to hurt himself, but called the youth pastor instead because of an Instagram post. I know several who have received God’s healing through guided worship music steamed online. I even met a young man who found Christ within the metaverse. It’s not a question of should there be online ministry, but who will be there to receive the people who are hurting. And I pray it’s your church, not another wolf in sheep’s clothing."
      
    
    
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        "Online ministry has allowed me to further my theological education. For example, some may offer courses and Bible studies that are highly resourceful and helpful. The benefit to explore theological education online has greatly contributed to my spiritual growth"
      
    
    
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      "Those that think in terms of online vs offline ministry have already failed. Church online isn't binary. It should integrate both because people interact using both. The average person spends 8 hours 14 minutes per day with digital when they are awake. Why is church online and digital ministry still a question? Screens are the new mission field. No mosquito pills or shots required." - 
      
    
    
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      <title>How to Help People Know and Care About Your Church</title>
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Even though your Church may have been a long time in your community, it does not mean that your Church is known in the community. The reality is that less and less people are attending Church today. So how does your Church become known in the community today? Today Justin Nava and I talk about how you can do that so that more and more people can come to know Christ as their savior. 



 
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                    Evidently, yes, it is allowed. Meet Andy Corson, a Bi-vocational minister with a unique history of creating unique expressions of Church. Preaching in a Bar? Doing bible studies for Dungeons &amp;amp; Dragons players in a game store? Andy has a heart to reach bikers, bar people, and gamers for Christ and has a history of creating unique expressions of church that are reaching people that our buildings typically don’t reach.
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                    Traditionalists can be found in many different areas, including Church circles. Years ago, pre-Covid, whenever tech solutions were offered as a remedy to help minister more effectively, it seemed like the traditionalists created the biggest uproar about it. They easily dismissed a change as not the best way to do ministry. "Church Online will take away from your in person Church". "You can't have real relationships online". "People won't join online life groups". Those were some of the common phrases shared in many church circles by traditionalists regarding online Church.
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                    Having a "traditionalist" mindset has stifled discipleship and Church growth for years. Don't let it keep interfering with your Church as you find the best way to minister. Think outside the box and use ALL the tools you have learned over the past few years to meet people where they are so that they can hear about and be changed by the love of Christ. They can discover Christ in person, online AND even the Metaverse. But that's a conversation for another blog post. 
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                    When people hear the phrase "call to action" they often think in marketing terms. However, making a call to action is something Churches have been doing for centuries. Churches call people to action in their daily lives every Sunday. They are called to live out their faith by action. 
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    believe. The problem is that it seems like Churches have gotten in a rut with what action they are calling people to do. Read the Bible, pray more, join a life group, help hold babies and clean up around the Church building. While those are all very important, there is much more believers can do.
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                    As Churches we need to provide calls to action that reflect today's world. When we call them to action in real and practical ways, people will be encouraged in their faith and know how to live it out on a daily basis. Don't get stuck in the doldrums of the regular calls to action. Get creative and help people grow in their faith today. 
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      Any millennial knows of Microsoft XBOX and the flagship video game HALO. They’ve played the Master Chief shooting up the hordes of aliens, villains, and zombified monsters. A fictional artificial intelligence, Cortana, assists the Master Chief. In the game, HALO’s Cortana AI “lives” long enough to see herself become the villain. However, her and Master Chief’s relationship is complicated at best. Did you know that “Cortana” is what Microsoft eventually named the personal assistant for Windows phones and computers?
    
  
  
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      What’s interesting is that we see this pattern historically. The church often fights against cultural shifts, claiming the shift as heresy. At least in modern history, rarely will the church win, eventually adopting the heresy into the church. The heresy of one age becomes the orthodoxy of the next.
    
  
  
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      Examples? Well, church online in this COVID season, for one. Most churches in America pre-COVID thought that broadcasting church services online was a distraction and possibly a violation of God’s physical law for his Church. In December 2019, a lead pastor told me that I should confess my sins before God and repent for working to separate people from God’s physical Church. Around four months later, I received a phone call from the same lead pastor begging me to help the church get its services online in the middle of the pandemic. My pastor friend’s view of church online went from heretical to borderline orthodoxy in about four months under the right circumstances.
    
  
  
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There are a lot of different analytics that you can track for your Church communications. While all of them are important in different ways, Google Analytics is one of the most important analytics to track. 
Today Jeremy Zach joins the podcast to talk about why and how to get started on Google Analytics.  



 
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Covid has been hard on all of us and have effected us all in different ways. Now, Springtide Research Institute has NEW research out about how the pandemic has directly affected Generation Z in regards to faith and faith leaders. 
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What do you think? Have you seen Gen Z responding in this way in your area? How are you ministering to Gen Z?  Share your thoughts with us below or on social media

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                    So, if marketers are using brand awareness for businesses, should Churches be posting brand awareness campaigns? The reality is that the term "brand awareness" is not used in ministry circles much because a Church is a Church, not a brand. But, is it not a brand? Does a Church not represent something? It should. Just like every brand, every Church is different and represents something different. Because of that, a Church can and likely should use social media to promote good will and brand awareness. 
    
  
  
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                    Brand awareness is not just a marketing term for businesses to use. It is something Churches can and should use, as well. People will most likely check out your Church online first before they come in person. That is why it is so important to create pieces of content that show what your Church is about. Tell the story of your Church, who it is for, what is it doing in the community and how are lives changing. The more we can do this, the more brand awareness you are creating. Which will hopefully lead people to check out and engage with your Church and Christ to see what you have to offer them for this present life and eternity.. 
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                    We talk about how Digital Churches reach different types of people. This week we’re talking about Painted Prayers, a creative, digital expression of church that’s found a way to reach a different type of person. Brianna Heida planted Painted Prayers to reach creative people. As an artist, Brianna was woven many creative aspects into her church as well as the church’s creative process. A year or so into the church, the experiment of Painted Prayers has gone far to connect with a creative audience.
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                    Through her ministry life, though, Brianna discovered that she personally had a number of health issues that drastically limited her ability to do ministry physically. While this led to her desire to do ministry digitally, her health limitations actually allowed her to connect with others that also have physical ailments that prevent them from connecting with physical churches.
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                    Brianna is a disabled artist, writer, and pastor, and her latest adventure is planting a fully digital church, Painted Prayers Church. Her heart is to reach the physically, emotionally, and spiritually disconnected, those who live in the margins and find themselves often overlooked or forgotten. She can be found on all the socials @briheida, and you can learn more about her church at 
    
  
  
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      <title>EP219: Michael Beck: Missional Imagination &amp; Following the Holy Spirit</title>
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      What if what the church needs isn't more of the same. What if it really needs something different. The challenge of church disruption, of innovation even, can be couched in two different mindsets. One is a prideful innovation, one ego and hard work replace God, and pridefully lead the person or persons in the way that we think best. The second, though is a humble innovation, one that is led in a place of weakness, dependent on the Spirit. One that acknowledges that He is, and that we are not.
    
  
  
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                    This is where Missional Imagination comes in. Thinking outside the box, doing something different, but realizing that the missional impact does not come from our efforts, but our dependence on the Holy Spirit in and through our lives.
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                    This is the question we asked Michael Beck. With a storied career, Michael works helping fresh expressions of church launch across America, and has experience with metaverse churches, digital churches, prison ministries, homeless, and much more. Author of many books in the Digital/Fresh Expression space, Michael has spent years championing out-of-the box thinking, if for no other reason than positioning the person in a place of humility. So what is Missional Imagination, and how does it lead us to a place of dependence on the Holy Spirit? Let's dig in and find out.
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                    As much as we would all like to avoid it, the reality is that tragedies happen quite regularly in our communities. They don't have to be huge tragedies like the horrible shootings in Buffalo, NY or Uvalde, TX. They can be deadly car accidents, suicides or something else entirely. Tragedies come big and small but they always affect the community in some way. 
    
  
  
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                    As devastating as tragedies can be, can be good that comes from it. God can use your Church online and in person in a big way. Here are 4 things your Church can do the next time a tragedy happens. May God guide you as you support others and help them experience Christ's love and care. 
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                    Internet Addiction is actually a thing. So wait, we're trying to do ministry, we're trying to be the church, in digital- and metaverse- spaces... and evidently these areas are addictive. How do we do ministry in areas that can damage ourselves? How do we minister to those that are damaged? The more complex these technologies become, the more we need to respect and understand the scope of the battlefield. What does the Armor of God look like in digital &amp;amp; metaverse spaces.
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                    This is the conversation we're having today. Can damage happen to us in digital and metaverse spaces? Of course! Could damage happen to the bible runners that smuggled the gospel behind the iron curtain, or even biblically when the disciples stood up against Rome? Carrying our cross can look different in the metaverse, but how do we prepare ourselves for the battle?
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                    These are just some of the questions Jeff and Chris Caputo start digging into. There are challenges in digital and metaverse spaces. This doesn't mean we give up! This means we work through and discover how to prepare, which is what we're starting right here in this podcast. So jump on this conversation where Jeff &amp;amp; Chris start digging into how to combat Internet Addictions while doing digital ministry!
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                    Have you ever wondered why there are so many churches? I mean, if we are all supposed to be on the same mission, to make disciples of all peoples, why does it seem like there is one on every street corner?
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                    The reality is every single one of us has a different need (or want), that we want met. Some of us like traditional church music, others of us like a rock show. We love a little haze and praise. Some have a huge heart to meet the need of the homeless community and the widows and orphans. Others have a desire to impact the men of their community, believing that if they could just reach the husbands and fathers, the family unit as a whole would be better off and won over for Jesus.
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                    Just like your local coffee shop has many drink options on their menu, the global Church has many different options to choose from, and God even calls many Pastors to start a specific type of church in their community to reach a certain type of people based on their needs.
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                    So, one would think with so many different types of churches out there, Christianity should be gaining ground on reaching the lost. However, many researches show that Christianity is in decline, especially in the United States, and primarily amongst the millennials. As a millennial myself, one reason for this centers around the idea that the local church seems to be more focused on expanding their [k]ingdom territory rather than expanding God’s [K]ingdom. The lack of Church unity is leading to many leaving the church, and it can leave one feeling like the Church is losing.
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                    However, I want to highlight one area where I see the church winning, and keep in mind, the Church will never truly lose. Not even the gates of Hell can stop God’s Church. But, I have been encouraged to see how the Church is working together to advance God’s kingdom in the Metaverse. I have witnessed churches from all kinds of denominational backgrounds and worship styles work together to help each other launch a Metaverse church or an expression of their in real life church in the metaverse all for the sake of reaching the lost. Lives are being changed for eternity because the [C]hurch is working together and winning in the virtual space because they are moving as one body.
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                    Social media is always changing. What is hot one day, is ice cold the next. My Space, Vine and Clubhouse all used to dominate in some area at some time. Now, when these networks are mentioned a lot of people just laugh about them. So it is always great to stay up-to-date and current about the latest trends on social media.  
    
  
  
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                    Social media trends are constantly happening. What is something you should latch onto and pursue and what is something that won't pan out? You never fully know but the 3 trends highlighted above have stats that completely back them up. They are not fas. They are trends that will continue to shape how we consume and create content. Is your Church invested in social media this way? If not, what can you do today to start? The more you can do today the greater your chances are at reaching people for Christ, as well.
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                    The metaverse is different, it’s true. And historically, Christians fear what’s different. Humans fear what we don’t understand. So it’s easy to ignore potential kingdom movements because they don’t align with our opinions. But remember, God eventually forced Jonah to Nineveh.
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                    On a recent episode of Metaverse Church NEXT, Mindy Caliguire shed some incredible insight into the biblical view of God and a scriptural parallel on how he may view the metaverse. It was an equally powerful insight into God’s view of us. From what I know of God, he is bigger than the metaverse.
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                    What if your Physical-, Digital-, or Metaverse- Church used Digital as the training ground to release Digital Missionaries? What if we utilized the strength of digital to train, activate and release people to reach their circle of influence physically, digitally, or even in the Metaverse? Maybe, just maybe, digital can provide the spiritual purpose that many churches are missing beyond the content-driven Sunday mornings, and help us move from a knowledge-based Discipleship format to an obedience-based Discipleship framework.
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                    As aggressive as everyone in your church becoming a digital missionary is, maybe we're not that far off. Enter Jon Ferguson into the conversation. Jon, and his brother Dave Ferguson, developed a framework called BLESS to help empower and activate people in physical space. What if that framework works digitally?
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                    In 20 hours, Jeremy got 67 comments. As my friend Jeff Reed says, “Numbers matter because people count.” Without numbers we have no one to disciple; we have no community. But without personal engagement, numbers are meaningless.
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                    How are YOU engaging people in digital spaces? I would love to hear from you.
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                    I will see you there!
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                    In life and leadership,
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      Things have changed a lot in the past twenty years. I graduated from college in December 1999, just in time for Y2K (remember all that noise around Y2K?) and honestly, ever since then it feels like advances in technology have been rampant. What’s suspect is that advances in technology seem to be coming at an increasing rate, but also increasingly seem to be impacting culture.
    
  
  
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      About the time Y2K was supposed to destroy the economy as we know it, Web 1.0 was at its heyday. Otherwise known as the “World Wide Web” or “The Information Age,” Web 1.0 really lasted from 1989-2005. Remember all those AOL CDs you’d get in magazines, or going to AskJeeves for search? It was incredible the amount of information stored in the Internet, and at least as a kid going through school in the Web 1.0 era, the information was useful. (In my entire college career 1995-1999, I never once checked out a book from the college library.) People would go to their Netscape browser, and find unrealized information like never before. Let’s be real, has anyone ever bought an encyclopedia set or atlas since the birth of the internet? As technology expanded, culture moved past Web 1.0, embracing new parts of the technology. As we’ll find out, culturally, content wasn’t enough. We wanted community.
    
  
  
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      As a result, people will walk away from social media. But Web 3.0 already has a defense mechanism in place: decentralization. In the past I’ve talked about how there will never be another Beatles, because now there are 30 sub-genres of rock music. The truth is, people are fighting so hard against standardization, that they’ve actually created 30 different styles of just rock music. Wow. The idea of centralizing all rock-and-roll fans under the banner of The Beatles today, it would never happen. Welp! The last thing we’ve seen close to that was probably U2, and we can thank social media for that.
    
  
  
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      In Web 3.0 culture, I believe you’re going to see a swing back towards smaller churches being more popular. Why? Because of a lack of trust in pastors because of moral failure or political differences. We’re already seeing this now as Barna reports that 43% of active church attenders say they do not strongly trust their church leadership. People will begin looking for a church community, not based on location, but based on beliefs. In addition, and this will be an ongoing conversation, decentralization of church will take people to the place where they’re no longer meeting in that “centralized” building, but instead, creating their own expressions of church that align with their own values (which may or may not align to Biblical values.)
    
  
  
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      I was talking with a Pastor recently about moving his church into the metaverse. His answer was kind of surprising: “Jeff, we’re really still a 1.0 church. We’ve not even figured out how to do the 2.0 stuff well. There’s no way we can handle the 3.0 metaverse.”
      
    
    
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      What can we do? I don’t know if there’s a wrong answer, necessarily, but if there is a wrong answer it’s probably “I’m just going to stay a 1.0 church.” Technically speaking, you can still do these things. You can still launch a webpage that aims at getting people connected to your building. Your challenge is that your 1.0 church is operating in a 3.0 culture who is looking at organizations like churches much differently today than they were 20 years ago.
    
  
  
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      A 1.0 church will keep the people they have, but will likely struggle to grow, because culture/society has moved on to a 3.0 mindset of decentralization. A 3.0 church will reach a different type of person than the buildings reach, because they’re recognizing the need to decentralize what’s happening in the church, and the potential to utilize multiple modes/models of church to reach different types of people through the church. A 3.0 church will also recognize that the idea of community has shifted, and with it the understanding of “the gathering” and what it means. A 3.0 church will not see decentralization as a threat. They will see it as an opportunity to reach, engage, disciple, and release people in a new way. That new methodology doesn’t have to involve virtual reality, as much as it involves a mindset.
    
  
  
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      The challenge before us, the Church, is not understanding all the tech behind these Web 3.0 technologies, but the cultural implications that are happening as a result of these technologies. We cannot fall back on being a church for the Information Age! Culturally, the people we’re trying to reach are way past that.
    
  
  
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      Tyler’s no stranger to the podcast, He’s been on the show more than anyone (sorry Jay Kranda!), and today we’re talking Digital Missionaries. First Capital/Church Anywhere has been experimenting with the idea of digital missionaries, but their approach has been more bent towards Influencers, and it’s been bringing some fascinating results.
    
  
  
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                    For over a year now, I have been leading a church in Virtual Reality as a campus pastor for our IRL (in real life) church, and I know that, for many people, the idea of virtual reality church is still a hard pill to swallow. One of the most common questions I get asked when people hear that I pastor a church in VR is, “but, is it really church?” I will at some point address that question from a theological perspective, but for now that will have to wait. What I do want to talk about is one of the things that excites me the most about doing ministry in virtual reality, and it’s the fact that virtual reality is, in my opinion, the great equalizer of humanity today.
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                    Usually when I ask people what comes to mind when they think of virtual reality, they respond back by saying “video games, cartoons, next generation, fake” etc. While some of those are accurate (VR can be used for playing video games), and the environment we do church in is very cartoonish, there are some things VR is not. It is not only for the next generation and, while it is safe to assume some “fake-ness” in VR, I would strongly argue that there is more authenticity in VR than in real life.
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                    In 1 Samuel 16:7 God says to His prophet Samuel when anointing the next king of Israel, “The LORD doesn’t see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the LORD looks a the heart.”
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                    There is a classic saying, “birds of a feather flock together.” Meaning, we tend to gravitate towards those who are like us. We choose our people based on similar age, season of life, interests, style, etc. It’s because of this that we have a tendency to avoid those who are not like us. We also have a tendency to have shallow relationships because we want to be liked and accepted. Many of us will even change aspects of who we are in order to fit in with those by whom we wish to be accepted. But what happens when the person standing before you, in avatar form, is green from head to toe? I mean, their clothes, their hair, their skin color? In real life, if someone made their appearance to look like that, I’m sure many of us would be taken aback by that and maybe even choose to avoid them. But in Virtual Reality, not only is that appearance accepted, it’s expected! It’s because of this kind of culture that I say VR is the great equalizer. When we are no longer taken aback by the appearance of a person, or judge them from a superficial, surface-y, level, we are rewarded with the opportunity to get to actually know the person and not just build an opinion of them based on what they look like.
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                    In virtual reality, we are awarded the opportunity to see people the way God sees them, getting to know them at the heart level and not just the surface outward appearance level. When we get to this level of knowing and being known, the fake-ness is stripped away because there is no longer a need for it. An authenticity at a level which is rarely seen in real life is achieved, and true relationships can be established. True care can take place, and ministering to people can be more effective.
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                    I love that VR has evened the playing field on humanity. Hesitation and skepticism to church in VR will, I’m sure, be around for a while. This is a new thing, and all new things, as mentioned earlier, are a hard pill to swallow at times. But what can’t be ignored is the real opportunity to love others the way God has called us to love others, not because they are like us, but because we are truly being known and seeing each other at the heart level, the level in which God sees us and knows us.
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                    Now, we are well into 2022 and the debate seems to have faded a bit. But, the question remains, is the Metaverse worth exploring for your Church? Here are 3 reasons why I believe the answer to that question is "YES"!
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     The people who are in the metaverse are searching for answers. They are having real conversations. And, they are not searching for those answers in Churches. We send missionaries all around the world and in digital spaces. The metaverse is no different. This is a place where digital missionaries can go and interact with people. Hopefully, throughout the conversations people will hear about Jesus and come to know Him as Savior.  There are over 
    
  
  
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                    The Metaverse is being invested in by companies across the world. People are entering it and exploring. And, it doesn't cost much to invest in it as a Church. For all these reasons, I believe that it is 100% worth exploring as a Church and, just as missionaries all over the world, make an eternal difference in the lives of the next generation. 
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                    DCN's Movement System is not only our process of making disciples, but helping these disciples start movements... Simply put, a Disciple Making Movement that grows into a Church Planting Movement (DMM that leads to CPM), DCN's Movement System is designed to help ordinary people develop contextually-savvy digital and metaverse churches that grow into networks and multiply into movements. 
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                    The two biggest Sundays of the year for Churches and Ministers are Christmas and Easter. They are the two biggest because they  are the two most important events in history of the world! Because most of the world celebrate these world changing events, they tend to be the most attended Church services of the year.
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    &lt;!--more--&gt;                                Considering that these are the two biggest events in the Christian calendar, that makes these huge opportunities for Churches to reach and minister to the community. However, with these great opportunities comes great sacrifices for ministers and volunteers. There is often a lot more work associate with these two days which also means a lot of extra stress doing a variety of special events and projects.
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                    It's easy to get wrapped up into the events and projects that you forget about what Easter is all about. It is easy to do. So, let's take time to remember what Easter is all about.
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                    God is the one who changes hearts. Work hard but rest in His power. In addition, make sure you rest your soul and enjoy time with your family. You won't have opportunities with your family forever. Rest, relax and make memories with them this Easter season.
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    I'll be the first to admit it, analytics in digital environments can be confusing. So many numbers they sometime cease to have meaning? Is this a view, a download, or a stream? How many people were in the room watching the stream? How many times was the download played, and was it by multiple viewers at the same time or the same viewer multiple times? Does it matter? How long was the view? Does how long matter? What part of the service was viewed? What is the line that we use to establish that a person officially "attended" church this week? All the different platforms not even aligning by providing different metrics certainly doesn't help. It's difficult to navigate, and is often changing.
  

  
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                    I find it interesting that these metrics basically come down to vanity stats. How many people sat in our building on Sunday? How many people consumed our product online? It's easy to judge the spiritual success of our church by having the usher stand in the back and count heads. Nickels and noses is a great way to measure success of a corporation. But Matthew's 28's Great Commission holds us to a different standard, one that takes more time and is proven far more effective.
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                    The challenge for churches today is to not focus on a "profit" mindset, (whether intentionally validating ministry based on amount of tithes/collections, or even other vanity metrics like attenders per weekend in a physical space "profit" ego). Instead of a centralized "profit" mindset, we should start looking at a decentralized "purpose" mindset. How are we, the church, helping our attenders find their purpose?
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                    Quickly, serving in the church probably comes to mind with purpose. I've been guilty of it. There was a time, let's be honest, when service to the church looked more like "serve us, the church." Typically, a percentage of church attenders are always active serving in the church, helping the church accomplish its programming. My pastor needs me as a greeter. My pastor needs me to run sound. My pastor needs me to watch the babies. A shared vision allowed collectively for people to work together towards a common goal. That's not a bad idea, by the way. Essentially the church is crowdsourcing execution of weekend services among other things. In 2022, though, we're seeing where there's limitations on this mindset: the decrease in weekend attendance, lack of trust of senior leadership, even the public moral failure has caused these high level attenders to pause to re-evaluate.
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                    Paul is challenging Timothy to listen, pass that onto someone else, who will then be able to tell someone else. That's four generations of disciple-making happening. Our churches, our organizations have operated this way for years, certainly. But we're losing effectiveness, and it's time for others to step up. David Nelms qualifies his perspective, better defining disciple.
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                    Church, our future is not in our big buildings, but in our people. The greatest asset we have as a church is in our pews. Disciple-making isn't done with a megaphone, but in a conversation, a small conversation at that. The simple question here is, are our churches growing, or multiplying? For our disciples to effectively tell others who tell others who tell others... they don't need to be taught, but trained. Are we teaching about discipleship or are we training and encouraging disciple-makers?
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                    What stat should you be measuring? Let's start with how many disciple-makers you have in your church that are capable of making other disciples. For all of us, there's room to improve here. Vanity metrics like butts in seats or views on a stream play a part, but a very small part, in making a disciple who makes a disciple. Arguably that church service is only as effective as it is helping people move to whatever that next step in your discipleship process. To me, this is the most critical moment in your church's discipleship process: the moment an attender moves away from a consumeristic mindset and intentionally steps into disciple-making relationship. This is your metric... the moment you start helping give your attenders purpose. Your victories become their victories.
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                    For many of us, we are in the 1st Generation of Church Online. We didn't have a Church Online strategy until COVID hit. And now, with people going to back to in person Church, many Church leaders are debating whether or not to kill their Church Online presence. It is happening and it is so discouraging after all the progress we have made in digital ministry.
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                    Just because you can meet in person, doesn't mean you have to stop online ministry. Tony Fadell said, “a lot of people stop midway through the journey, and I wanted to make sure we weren’t going to do that,” Apple continued to invest in the iPod and it led to game changers like the iPhone and the iPad. These devices led to services like Apple Music, other devices like the AirPods and the Apple Watch. They continued to build upon each other. Your Church Online investment of time and resources can pay off, if you give it time. Continue to invest in it and see how it compliments your ministry and help more people grow in their faith. 
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      <description>We're kicking off Season 3 with The Church Digital Podcast this week, talking about the State of the Digital Church, and from where I sit, we are looking good! Season 3 with the podcast is going to delve into the humble disruptors that are continuing to pave the way for digital, meta, and phygital churches globally.
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                    So here I am, a Virtual Reality Church doubter, now spear heading a Virtual Reality Church (who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor?). A couple of weeks into being a Virtual Reality pastor, one of our IRL (in real life) church members asked me what I enjoyed most about doing church in VR. I hadn’t really put much thought to that at this point, but I loved his question. I thought about it for a second, and I told him, “I get the opportunity to be an international missionary all from the basement of my house.” Since putting on the Oculus Quest 2 (the VR headset I use), we have gone through a lot of different variations of doing church in VR; currently we are onto version three and in the process of working on our next phase. A lot can happen in a year. A doubter can turn into a believer but, if I were to sum up my past year doing VR church, I would do so by quoting Jesus, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.”
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                    Every time a tragedy or incident around the world happens, Church Social Media Mangers will almost always post a "Pray for...." image. By all means, we want to encourage people to pray during tragedies. We want to post on social media about the tragedy. But, if all we do is post an image about it, are we really taking action?.As Digital Missionaries, there must be more we can do than just post graphics or change our profile picture to show we are united in solidarity. 
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                    There was a time when events like this would work. Bring in kids. Bring in pizza. Play some loud music and tell them about Jesus. If I'm honest, though, I've seen this dwindle away during my ministry career.  The Church, and in this situation even para-church organizations, are losing trust. Mind you the sermon probably wasn't wrong. I'm not questioning the theology of this situation. I'm wondering (in 2022) if this is the wisest way to reach students. But let's not just make this about gen-z, or even millennials. Adults are behaving the same way.
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    . The takeaway here? Our institutions do not have the trust that we once did. This is a big reason why we're seeing a 25% decrease in church involvement over the past 20 years.
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                    My place is not to debate how this happened, or where responsibilities lie. Race, Political Agenda, Moral Failures, there are plenty to discuss. When I meet De-Churched people (those that have walked away from the church) I very rarely find that they are burned by God. More likely, they're angry/disenfranchised by people in the buildings... within the organization. But it is obvious to me at this point: to rebuild that trust is no short-order.
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                    When our own people don't implicitly trust our motives, what does invite culture look like in the church? These 43% of churchgoers that do not strongly trust leadership, are they going to invite friends to church to come learn about Jesus from someone they don't intricately trust? For that matter, how many more Sundays are they going to wake up before 9am to come be part of an event led by people they don't trust.
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                    Getting to the point: who are churchgoers going to trust? Who is the world going to trust? A nameless, disconnected preacher who only connects in lives 40min a week in a large gathering? Most likely not. Sermons will not rebuild trust. Relationships build trust. Face to face. Asking questions and listening for answers. 
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                    Barna's Digital Evangelism report, December 2020 reported that 79% of people, cold to Christ, are not going to your building when they have spiritual questions. Many of them are going to Google/YouTube to search for answers, and many of them are going to their friends who possibly could have answers to the spiritual questions. Sorry to say this, Pastor, but a search engine and your attender are more trustworthy than your seminary degree. Welcome to 2022!
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                    Are you seeing this trend? I'm hearing stories from churches that people are attending physical small groups, but they're not attending physical services... instead attending online (or just outright skipping the physical expression of church on the weekend). I've also seen these churches struggle with the reason why people are more interested in physical groups than the weekend... several factors I'm sure, but I can guarantee that relationship is part of it. Confession from my own life: there have been many times that my small group, or my discipleship group, was more spiritually impacting than the weekend was. So, Pastor, what are you to do with this information?
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                    Fact is that we are seeing, and will continue to see different modes of church here in America. This is incredibly healthy. With the return of Microchurch, the increase in Workplace Ministries, a better understanding of Digital Churches, a newfound opportunity in Metaverse Churches... you will continue to see relationship-centric modes of church work be much more effective than the programatic modes that have been so popular recently. Pastor, your church's best asset in reaching people outside of the building is currently sitting inside your building. To take advantage of this, you must shift.
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                    This may be uncomfortable for some of you, but the reality is our culture is moving away from trusting, well, trusting anyone in authority. It's not just churches and pastors. Metaverse technologies are bringing in an era of 
    
  
  
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                    Shifts like these may seem daunting in themselves, but remember that, to rebuild trusts within our churches we need to first show that we are human. As Pastors we can no longer live beyond reproach, instead we need to show our flaws. They humanize us. And in our weakness, the strength of Jesus comes across even stronger.
    
  
  
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                    I grew up with no church background, so my first encounter with Ash Wednesday was in college. I saw students walking around with some black mark on their forehead and to be totally honest, it freaked me out. Being college, I just assumed it was a ritual of some fraternity or sorority. But as the number of people with the mysterious mark grew, I began to get paranoid. Is this a secret society that I don't know about? Are they planning something?  Eventually a friend explained to me that it was something that was a Catholic tradition.
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                    But Ash Wednesday is not just for Catholic folks. In fact, some of our biases toward the Catholic Church embedded in our religious traditions are holding us back from experiencing a spiritually significant opportunity. As we enter the Lenten season and look forward to Easter, now is the perfect time to observe Ash Wednesday. 
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                    Ash Wednesday is a solemn occasion focused on grief, mortality, repentance and mourning. It is a reflection on death, in the physical and spiritual sense, and the loss it creates in our lives. It kicks off Lent, where many folks of all Christian denominations commit to pray and fast in a significant way until Easter. Never has there been a more appropriate time for a united moment for followers of Jesus of all denominations to pause and grieve. With more than 900,000 COVID deaths in our country alone, unsettling news of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, divisive politics, harmful legislation, on top of whatever personal difficulties you may be wrestling with, a national day of mourning and repentance seems overdue. We NEED a way to mark the unfathomable loss we've collectively experienced over the last 2 years and begin to process our pain together.
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                    We need Ash Wednesday because Jesus wept. The shortest verse in the Christian Scripture (John 11:35) offers a critical perspective. Christians are obsessed with skipping to the hope. In our response to real human suffering, we tend to offer platitudes that point to a future hope instead of acknowledging the pain of the moment. The Bible calls that weeping with those who weep. In the words of my buddy 
    
  
  
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                    We've tried to build a culture and engineer a theology that allows us to fast forward through the messy middle and go straight to the happy ending. But life doesn't work like that. Just because Jesus is triumphant over death in the end doesn't mean we get to skip the suffering now. And Jesus' tears over His friend Lazarus are a powerful reminder that experiencing grief is a necessary part of loss. If Jesus mourned, we should too.
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                    Jesus wept even though He would raise Lazarus from the dead a short time later. Jesus wept even though Lazarus would experience eternal life with a loving God in Heaven, by nature of Jesus' eventual death on the cross and resurrection. Jesus knew it would all be OK in the end, yet He still wept. Because acknowledging loss and allowing ourselves to grieve is part of a healthy spiritual life. Death is inextricably linked to the human existence. And even though death is a curse, mortality is what makes life matter. We are limited creatures, destined to perish, without the intervention of a Savior. So on our journey to celebrate Easter, the most incredible day in human history, let us use this time to reflect on why that matters.
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                    Ash Wednesday is our chance to grieve our incalculable losses. Whether it has personally touched us or not, this pandemic has taken so much from us all. Even if you haven't lost a friend, family member or loved one to COVID, you've lost SOMETHING. A graduation, a family vacation, an opportunity, a relationship, a job, school joy, freedom, faith, security, a sense of normalcy. That loss matters. We cannot avoid feeling the pain of it, no matter how hard we try. And the longer we delay processing, the harder those losses will hit. Pastor Rick Warren described it as a "tsunami of grief" waiting to crash down upon us. This grief interrupted isn't just harmful to us, it's a barrier to connection with God.
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                    By observing Ash Wednesday, we can collectively begin to mourn our losses drawing us closer to a God who is near to the brokenhearted. We can also get our life back on track by making the conscious effort to turn from the things that lead us further into darkness and begin to think differently. So, join me this Ash Wednesday in a day of mourning and repentance. And if getting ashes on your forehead freaks you out, just don't get them.
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      <description>Churches have been doing student ministry for decades. Over that time, what student ministry "looks like" has changed and evolved. After all, if you are still trying to do student ministry the same way as they were back in the 1960s, you probably wouldn't be as successful as you could be.
Enter Taylor Terpstra. He is the Online Youth Lead at Sandals Church in California. He was hired in December 2020 to be, to my knowledge, the first ever Online ONLY Student Minister. That's right, he is trying to reach students online and lead them to Christ. How is he doing that and what is he doing? That is what we talk about today. 

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      <description>Why is Google Search so important for your Church? What does it do and how does it help you reach more people for Christ? 
Today Mark MacDonald is joining me on the podcast to talk about it. He will share tips and tools you can utilize so that Google Search can work best for you and your Church.
Mark is a Church Branding Strategist for BeKnownForSomething.com, a national Church Communication and branding agency, coaching Pastors and 1000s of Churches to become relevant in their community. He is also a best selling Author and has written over 800 magazine articles. 

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Share your thoughts! In what ways have you seen Google Search impact your ministry? Share your thoughts below or on social media. 
Mark is a great resource. He’s on Twitter and has a great website with resources and great insights. 
Join the Digital Bootcamp Facebook Group. To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. This is for ALL Ministers, not just Church Communicators or Social Media Managers as we share resources, tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.
Looking for Digital Ministry Coaching? The Church Digital is offering a variety of digital, phygital or metaverse ministry coaching and cohorts. Just click here. 
Sign up for the Sidekick Scoop Weekly Email. Each Friday get a fresh email with content from all over the ministry world (especially online and student ministry topics) and be encouraged in how you can minister more effectively in today's world.
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                    Planting a Digital-Only/Metaverse Church is a controversial proposition. We've all had those conversations. Frustrating just begins to describe them. To oversimplify the problem, Digital and Meta Church supporters can have conversations all day long with the naysayers, but reality is that we are likely not to change minds. Lots of people, for whatever reason, are stubbornly, aggressively stuck in Physical mindsets.
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                    I know this has come at me at a personal level in recent weeks. Like you, I'm sure, a lot of what I've done in recent months has come under scrutiny, and it's led me to the place where I'm really done trying to convince the naysayers. Maybe one of you can take over that job. For me, I'm far more interested in going with the goers and watching success happen with them.
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                    It's occurred to me, though, the weakness of today's physical church model can easily become the strength of digital churches: DISCIPLESHIP. And the one thing that Digital can do easily that Physical struggles to do? MULTIPLY.
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                    Let someone else fight the battles. As churches, as pastors, I feel this is a distraction. It's one of the reason we set out to create this Network... to limit those types of distractions. Instead, let's do the one thing that today's US church struggles to do, but God calls us clearly to: Multiply.
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                    Digital is so relational, especially in hands like ours. We know how to use these tools. Be relational! And through those relationships, point to Jesus. 
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                    This is really how our Digital Churches win: Not through Content, but through Relationships that point to Jesus. Not through Knowledge, but through Obedience. This is where we win the argument with the naysayers. When we multiply.
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                    Here's a fun little video: Francis Chan &amp;amp; David Platt, two hugely influential church leaders (both known for supporting unique expressions of church) talking about what Disciples need to look like. How does this compare to your church's Disciples?
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                    Work can be terrible for your mental health. Even when you have co-workers you love, leaders you admire and an organization that supports you, your job will probably still stress you out sometimes. Many of us give so much time and effort in our career, that we have a lot at risk when work is bad for us. Our work can easily define us, provide a (false) sense of identity and assume the role of the most important relationship in our lives. So when work is bad, we feel BAAAADDDD. When these negative experiences persist, they hurt our soul and can cause us to transmit the pain we experience on the job to the other relationships in our life. 
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                    Having a friend group that has your back won't just help you at work, it will help you be a better human being. A group chat with trusted friends gives you a quick and easy place to seek out in the midst of stress on the job, where you know the people have your best interest in mind. Even if you love where you work, it is not the organization's responsibility to support you or look out for you. And sometimes your work friends may consciously or subconsciously have an agenda, because your issue may affect them. If you're in a relationship, it is extremely important to discuss this stuff with your husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend but they can't carry this weight alone. A virtual collection of non-coworker friends that are only a few clicks away can always focus on caring for you with no qualifications. Sometimes that means dealing with heavy emotional issues, sometimes that means sending dumb memes that you can't send to anyone else that bring you a great deal of joy.
    
  
  
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                    If you don't have an outlet for the complex physical, mental and emotional issues you deal with at work, you will eventually explode from the stress. Without a release valve, the pressure will turn toxic and consume you from the inside out. But, you may not know exactly what you feel or think about your workplace situations without a spot to sound off. It's important to be able to process what's going on with friends who can provide a digital ear and valuable perspective. These people know you, for better or worse, and will help you gain clarity and direction.
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                    There are many different kinds of digital missionaries. There are those who use social media to create content that inspires and encourages others. Those can be with written word, video or photography. There are also those digital missionaries that respond and encourage others on their postings. They offer hope and encouragement. But not everyone is geared to be sharing about Christ online like this. That is why a prayer warrior makes for a great digital missionary. 
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                    I love NewThing's strategy here. Networks are small-ish, typically 4-6 churches. Small enough to be relational, accountable. But with these networks continue to emphasize reproducing. Newer churches or church plants struggle to multiply. In their infancy it's easy to lose sight of multiplication. Let's be honest, it's very difficult to get that multiplication view back. But a network of digital or meta churches? Share resources, leaders, and effective disciplemaking processes. Create your own network and get it multiplying. Digital allows for nuances and contextualization that will allow smaller networks to flourish.
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                    A Network of Networks? What seems overwhelming in physical space doesn't seem as daunting digitally? Can we connect Digital, Meta and Phygital churches together under a unified purpose, and release these churches to start movements on their own? Will it take time? Sure. Will we need fervent prayer? Definitely. Can God move in these unique environments? He already is.
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                    Here's the fun fact. NewThing is already on this journey. NewThing is currently supporting movements in five continents, forty countries. Let's get started adding digital and the metaverse to their list! One of the things I've loved about NewThing's Movement System is that it is adjustable. NewThing's modular system is adjustable to you and your church. If your church is strong in making disciples and reproducing leaders, then let's help you with the church planting approach.
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                    Every human on the planet makes decisions about how to spend their attention, and when we don’t understand and follow the rules of how to earn it, we lose the ability to help someone in their story.
    
  
  
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                    The ugly truth about us humans is this: We only pay attention to things that solve a problem or give us pleasure.
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                    Unfortunately, most church websites usually don’t solve our problems or add to our pleasure. Hence, the 15 seconds before we bounce off your site and on to someone else’s.
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                    The rest of you sane people, you just want to know what a high bounce rate means for your site and how to improve it.
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                    Simply put: A high bounce right most likely means people either don’t feel like you solve their problem or add to their pleasure— you might be vanilla (I don’t like the word boring— anyone who knows you knows that you aren’t boring).
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                    Here are three things you can stop doing (and three you can start) today to improve your bounce rate:
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    The Human psyche needs a process to create an attachment to anyone new. Think of your first romantic relationship— something made you notice your future significant other, and immediately you grew curious. Seth Godin calls this moment of noticing and the curiosity that ensues, being remarkable. It is about living your uniqueness in front of others. So, let your freak flag fly—or your refined theological palate, whatever is uniquely you. But, Curiosity is only the first step. Enlightenment is the second. This is like the first date. We must learn about the person. After a period of learning, it’s time for a commitment.
    
  
  
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                    Have you ever asked someone to marry you on the first date? No? What not? Because that person will think you are nuts. If you want to marry them, even if it’s on the first date, you intuitively knew that if you want a second date you better wait until they have enough enlightenment to say yes to that answer.
    
  
  
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                    We get into trouble when we inadvertently ask for commitment before the moment of curiosity or the process of enlightenment runs its course.
    
  
  
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                    Saying Welcome Home before they know who you are is like asking your crush to marry you in Vegas on the first date--right now.
    
  
  
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                    Well, believe it or not, Jesus had a great answer for us: Jesus opened a story loop for Peter, “Follow Me and I will make you Fishers of Men.”
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  Jesus invited them into a story by opening with the Payoff. He created Curiosity.
    
       

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                    Jesus knew the story He was calling them into, He understood his audience and He actually had an elevator pitch. Becoming a fisher of men wouldn’t have worked on me nor on Nathaniel, but it sure worked on Peter. That means Jesus knew his message well enough to craft it for his target audience.
    
  
  
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                    You must know your message, the missionary audience you are reaching out to, and the story you are calling them into well enough to understand its payoffs— then you must convey that to
    
  
  
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                    The Journey (your message) is what you will need to carefully explain in the rest of the website with a clear process on how to accomplish the transformation that will occur by entering the story you are inviting them into. Here is a basic example of our church’s message:
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    But sometimes life seems like an exercise in futility. Experiencing pain and monotony often makes us feel as if Life is playing a cruel joke. What's worse, no matter our accomplishments or notoriety, emptiness and anxiety gnaw at our souls. No one deserves to feel insignificant or that their life is meaningless. You don't have to feel the unrelenting grip of Futility. You were made for more! KingCity is a faith community that helps you Discover the meaning and Live your purpose
  

  
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                    After this message, invite them into a process that will end in the payoff (ours is: live life to its fullest). What is your process— It can be different for every church— the point is that it needs to be clear (distilled into THREE Steps) and it needs to be effective (you are telling them this process will give them a payoff)
    
  
  
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                    The point is you shouldn’t just use your site (specifically your front page) as a bulletin board. You should use it as an invitation to transformation.
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                    If the main call to action for a new person on your website is the "Give" button, what are you communicating to that new person?
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                    For some of us we have gotten beyond the "Give" button: it’s now a “watch our messages” button. For others, it’s “plan a visit.”
    
  
  
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                    None of these are bad, but are they conveying the right call to action to the proper audience?
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                    Probably not. 
    
  
  
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                    In 2022, you have a lot more enlightenment to do to get them to give you their hard-earned cash or to step into your building, or even watch a 25-minute sermon.
    
  
  
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                    So what is your next step from Website view to Step 1 into your Process?
    
  
  
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                    That is the only button they should readily see on your front page… everything else can be in the footer or in a hamburger menu on your site.
    
  
  
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  Websites are about Converting Community Outsiders into People Of Peace

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                    We need to understand how churches can use their digital infrastructure to better accomplish Jesus’ Mission. I believe front-facing websites are a great tool to discern the People of Peace for our communities. However, we must learn how to use them in a way that will help us accomplish the mission rather than use them as static bulletin boards for people inside our organization.
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                    The way we use our digital infrastructure must change to reflect how a 21st Century world relates and communicates with each other. These Three shifts can begin to help us accomplish that task.
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                    When done right, Facebook Ads can be very effective. Incorporate any of the six tips the next time you do an ad and see what kind of reach your Church has and who will start attending your Church because of a Facebook Ad they saw. 
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                    I’m not a terribly original writer. I usually take the time to blog about what I feel, and, through a series of edits and what can only be described as “soul-searching revisions,” a blog comes out. And usually, the end product is marginal at best. Sometimes it borrows from other creators.
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                    A lot of the time, I write aimlessly. Without purpose. And then, over time, that purpose becomes known through a long word count, wasted hours, heartache, and revulsion. 
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                    Many of you can relate. Be it podcasting, video creating, preaching, teaching, or just general adulting, a lot of creation really just revolves around trial and error. Letting your typing or speaking find the reason that you are creating. 
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                    But what is it for you? What is the reason you keep on doing what you’re doing? Money? Fame? Popularity and social status? The Lord’s calling?
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To talk to me about this is Sly King. Sly is a friend of mine who has been doing Online Ministry for a long time (long before COVID hit). We relate the shift to strategy for effectiveness to one of our favorite topics: college football!  Discover how we can all be more effective with our online ministry with an effective strategy. 

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                    Online groups come in a variety of forms. Facebook Groups and YouVersion Bible Study Groups are ones that have been very effective in the past for my ministry. However, Text Groups are effective as well.  In fact, they are very effective in starting the online discipleship process.
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                    Online discipleship can start in a variety of ways. But, a great introduction is to have people opt into a text group where you send them a text a day for a set number of days to encourage them in their faith. That begins the process where they are encouraged in their faith. And some of the best ways I have gotten the most opt-ins to these group are the ones centered around a specific seasonal theme. 
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                    Below are a variety of seasonal themed groups you can invite people to participate in. Then, depending on the theme you can encourage people in a variety of ways. Here are some examples. 
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                    Seasonal themed text groups are great ways to get people growing in their faith. Once you are done with the group, the last text you send is another opt in to another text group or Bible study. This could be an in person group or online one, whatever works best for your Church's objectives. The hope is that they have a great experience in the text group that they will want to be part of another one, hence continuing to grow in their faith. 
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                    The allure of Digital is that it can reach massive numbers of people, easily. Thanks to smartphones and social media, each of us has the potential ability to reach thousands of people with these devices in our pockets. But as James 1 reminds us, we need to be more than hearers of the word. We must be doers in the real world as well. This is the multiplicative heartbeat of 
    
  
  
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                    Is it better to have a million person church, or 100,000 churches of 10? I love this question, because I believe logic is truly tested on extremes. Let me pause and back up. I do not want to bemoan the current model of church. Our physical buildings and our broadcasting of church services online can be effective in reaching, connecting and discipling people. Researches show that active church involvement is down 25% over the past 25 years, so we can safely say that the physical model is losing effectiveness. Physical approach will continue to be play a role for years to come. But we can no longer treat it as the only model of church.
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                    As culture shifts, so should the Church's strategies and tactics. Jesus is the same, yesterday today and forever. No one is arguing that. Our churches need to hold to the ecclesiology, the biblical standards in place. Digital/Meta Churches offer a chance to reimagine this ecclesiology for digital and meta spaces, for the purpose of reaching different people. Digital/Meta Churches must cling to the Bible as the guidelines for church. What is an essential ecclesiology for our churches, and what does it look like to map this essential ecclesiology across cloud services and the metaverse? This is the experiment that a Digital/Meta Church Planter gets to explore in the coming months and years.
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                    As controversial as the idea of Digital and Meta Churches are, we cannot lose sight of this one fact, and this is validated from Digital and Meta Churches around the world... Digital/Meta churches are reaching a different type of person than our physical buildings are reaching. These Digital/Meta Churches tell stories of reaching 80% athiests/agnostics , or 70% de-churched. I've heard stories of satanists coming to Jesus through relationships built in the metaverse. I've met the people who have found Jesus even though they swore they'd never go to a church building again.
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                    Remembering, though, our digital and meta churches cannot just stop with salvation. Discipleship, or should we say Disciple-making (with an emphasis on action/multiplication), is a vital to starting movements in Digital/Meta spaces.
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                    It's this multiplicative approach to discipleship that is so crucial to the future of our churches. As the Great Resignation impacts our economy (pastors and churches included) more and more research is showing us that people, when they have spiritual questions, are not going to a paid pastor, a building, or a livestream for spiritual answers to those questions. These people with spiritual questions are going to their friends who they think have spiritual answers to these questions. The future of our church is not sermons blasted from microphones... its empowering people, discipling them to have individual, spirit-led conversations as opportunities present, and intentionally pray for conversations to come.
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                    Here's what I've come to understand. Discipleship looks different, depending on the environments that discipleship is happening. Physical discipleship is definitely doable, but there are other ways as well. Discipling someone via Zoom, or on a Discord server? Well, this looks completely different than Physical discipleship. What would a disciple-making multiplication movement look like in the metaverse? Honestly, this is one of the questions we want to answer! And while some of this is unproven on a large scale, we can state this as a fact... we're reaching and discipling a different type of person in these digital and meta environments than our buildings are discipling. Along that same path, we're now empowering a different type of leader.
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                    Digital and Meta Churches often use a different type of leader than our physcial buildings will utilize. This isn't that far of a stretch. These Digital and Meta Churches reach a different type of person than our buildings reach, and they employ different methods of discipleship than our buildings utilize. So why wouldn't the discipleship process yield a different type of leader?
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                    Typically our physical buildings require a "catalytic leader", someone that can stand onstage and through their personal charisma lead hundreds or even thousands of people to action. Digitally, what we're finding is that charisma is often overstated in digital and meta spaces. What leads well is relational connection. Simply, charisma leads to consumerism. Relationship leads to action. Truthfully, recruiters or networkers often do very well in digital and meta spaces, and we've seen these types of leaders succeed in these unique environments.
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                    Another misconception is that the leaders do not have to be experts of the technology. Because of the relational nature of digital and meta environments, it's vital that these new leaders engage relationally. Most leaders, in fact, are not experts to the technology as much as natives in the technology. There are usually volunteers or part-time roles that become the technical experts. Digital or Meta Churches can be very technical. But they do not have to be.
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                    Through my own unscientific research, I've found that a larger-than-normal percentage of digital and meta planters are bi-vocational or co-vocational. Of the 200 some conversations I've had with people that are wanting to plant (or experiment) with a digital or meta church, 75% of them are interested in a bi-vocational or co-vocational ministry model. They're not looking to do ministry full-time in a physical church building, or even full-time online. They're looking to do ministry in addition to their job. Bivo/Covo is not a new approach in church planting, but what we're finding is Bivo/Covo support looks very different than supporting a typical church planter.
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      During the pandemic, nearly every church I’ve spoken to has experienced declines in their quantifiable metrics. But the most painful of those often significant declines is in attendance. Less people are going to church in-person. Period. There certainly are anomalies, but those churches are the exceptions that prove the rule. The people you’re waiting on to come back so you can “get back to normal” aren’t coming.
    
  
  
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      This is painful because loss hurts. Particularly in this COVID season of such overwhelming loss and grief. But when we let go of these unhealthy expectations, we can embrace the new reality that God is creating right now. One that will feel like an illuminated path to the lost and a refreshing stream in the desert to those that thirst. Our responsibility as pastors and ministry leaders is to go there first and guide the way for our people. Not because we’re superior Christians or spiritual, though. We need God’s New Thing just as much as our people. 
    
  
  
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                    My head exploded a little bit last week as I was reading the Bible. People often are negative towards digital expressions of Church because scripture only references community as defined physically. I love, though, when scripture speaks to methods that work not only physically, but digitally. Last week an old story I was quite familiar with suddenly had new meaning in light of the digital methods we, the Church, operate in during this COVID season. So, let’s have some fun here and learn how Jesus showed us how to do ministry, digitally, almost 2,000 years before the computer was invented.
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                    Meeting people’s physical needs made Jesus popular. The popularity was good to a point, as it gave people exposure to Jesus. We see some humility in this from Jesus’ perspective. He didn’t gain anything from the healings. Jesus was doing these miracles to allow people to have exposure with him. In digital terms, Jesus is “reaching” people. The crowd is aware of the healings. They’re following him, quite literally, in the biblical text. To say that they’re disciple-makers… wouldn’t quite be true yet. They’ve been reached.
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                    To properly reach people, you need to provide some value for them for that initial connection. Something that makes people want to follow you. In Jesus’ case, it was the healings that he was doing, meeting needs of the people. It’s important to notice here that, during these periods… you don’t see a lot of two-way conversation happening. It’s almost like the crowd is observing the show… caught up in the spectacle of the action. It’s clear later on in scripture the crowd didn’t understand the implications of following Jesus. The crowd, at this Reach level, is acting a bit selfish. “What can you do for us?” “How can you meet our need?” “How can we be entertained?”
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                    Here’s the problem with being popular. People want more of it. Jesus, through his signs and miracles, was excellent at meeting people’s physical needs. This just meant that people wanted to see more of their physical needs met! The motive of the crowd here I’m not sure of. Ego? Selfishness? The followers, the consumers, were looking for more to consume. Jesus, for the first time in this story, engages. (Remember, we’re defining engagement as a two way conversation.) Jesus is asking questions. Dialogues with the people. It’s important to notice here, the audience for the most part didn’t take talking with Jesus well.
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                    Jesus didn’t water down his words. He came strong, and the people were taken aback. “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” (6:60) was the response of many of those who were following Jesus. See, people were connecting to Jesus for what Jesus could do for them. Through engagement, through conversation, we start to see people leave as they realize that this relationship would cause them to need to do things for Jesus. I love Jesus’ line in 6:61: “Does this offend you?” - No apologies. Almost like a college weed-out Introductory Class, Jesus is filtering out the crowd, in order to keep those that were really capable of being a disciple-maker.
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                    Through Church Online our Reach numbers have been astronomical. March &amp;amp; April 2020 we’ve seen borderline ridiculous numbers across the country as people connected to our church services online. We were reaching people like never before!
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                    The problem is, church, that we forgot to engage people. Challenge them. Disciple them. We celebrate the reach! But forgot that Jesus didn’t celebrate his reach… he took the opportunity to filter that reach down through his disciple making process in order to get the people capable of starting a movement.
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      <description>Emails are a part of everyday life. You send and receive tons of them. But how can your Church send an email that will be effective in reaching your Church with a greater open rate? 
To talk about this with me is Jeanette Yates. She is the Communications Manager for Text in Church. Before she went on staff with Text in Church she had years of experience in Church Communications so she has sent her fare share of emails. We discuss some tips that Churches can implement to have a greater open rate and get the necessary information your Church members need.

Also, learn more about the Engage Conference happening on February 8-10th, by clicking this link.

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Share your thoughts! What do you think? What other email tips would you suggest? Share below or on social media by connecting with Tom.


If you want to connect with Jeanette you can find her on Twitter. She is very active on social media, especially on Twitter so get in touch with her.


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        I love starting the new year, where I believe disruption is taking us. The evolution of Web 3.0, Self-Aware A.I. (Artificial Intelligence), and MaaS (Mobility as a Service) will cause more disequilibrium in the Western Church in the future. Those are significant shifts for humanity, but we have time. However, we currently must navigate the present challenges caused by the latest wave of digital innovation. So what trends are in store for us in 2022? Well, buckle your seatbelt. This is gonna be an exhilarating ride.
      
  
  
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                    Remember when Oprah was America's Pastor? Many decried the Media Mogul and her brand of spirituality, but she was a harbinger of things to come. With Decentralized media platforms comes the ability for relatively unknown people to rise to prominence, and with it, their brand of spirituality. Gone are the days of the limits of Geographically based churches that provided a few well-meaning expositors. With Social Media, Spiritual Enthusiasts of all walks can evangelize the masses. What used to be only possible for select-few firebrand televangelists has given way to Influencer Pastors like Michael Todd, Jefferson Bethke, and 
      
  
  
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      You may argue that only one of those is a "true pastor." Still, when you begin to see the size of their following and the fact that many don't consider themselves a member of a local congregation, one begins to question who is actually leading most people today. Take Elijah, who has almost 700,000 followers on TikTok. He would also argue that he isn't a pastor, but he leads, and people listen. Expect a growing number of the biggest names in Christian Teaching and Preaching to be filming in their garage rather than multi-million dollar stages. And Expect the Masses to consider them their pastors--without being "members" of an organization.
      
  
  
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                    Classical Liturgy and its Hymnody lost the Worship Wars and will continue to make the cultural descent this year as it has for the previous four decades, but there is a new war brewing. I call it the Ecclesiology War.
      
  
  
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                    With the advantages of crypto and blockchain technology, we will continue to reach more and more people for the Gospel of Jesus. Places hostile to the Gospel and cause grave danger can now spread virally and more securely than ever before.
      
  
  
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                    The last two years have caused the Great Resignation, and on the heels of the Pandemic, the legacy of many older pastors has become shaky because of disruption. Ministry looks very different than it did in 2019, and most of that has to do with the mass adoption of Decentralizing Digital Platforms. How can you learn new ministry methods when you have more significant problems.
      
  
  
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                    The Church in the Global West is headed for exciting times. It will take Fervent Prayer, Innovative Creativity, and Emotional Health to thrive in this new era of disruption, but I believe the Church's best days are in front of her. I know you have what it takes to succeed at Shepherding God's people through this season, for you were born for such a time as this. Let me know what you think will happen in 2022.
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                    I shouldn’t make fun. Forgive me. If nothing else, people are passionate on this topic. I would argue, that in 2022, their passions are misaimed. For a hot second here let’s stop and take the church in the metaverse off the table. Maybe in 2022, the majority of our churches should not focus on launching churches in the metaverse.
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                    As controversial as #3 exists, I’m not sure the ecclesiology of the meta church, or even digital-only churches, can really be resolved in 2022. I’ve actually had pastors and scholars tell me that the ecclesiology of a metachurch may take 30 years to develop. We may not even get a solid answer on this until 2050! Why? Because while God is the same yesterday, today and forever… culture changes. As culture changes, so does our strategy. Church, historically, has been adverse to cultural change. Just look at how quickly churches are pushing for butts in seats again, post-COVID. This is actually why the Helen Keller quote rings true: The heretical struggles of today will be orthodoxy tomorrow. (Churches will struggle to be on the bleeding edge. Ecclesiological conversations are almost always reactionary instead of assuming the best and being proactive.)
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                    When big companies start investing in a product or service like they are now, that product goes from niche to more mainstream. For instance, when Apple came out with the iPad, tablets grew in popularity. When they came out with the Apple Watch, more people started wearing Smart Watches. Virtual reality is going to become more mainstream in the upcoming year. 
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      <description>Today we're not going to be talking much about technology. In fact, it doesn't come up at all. Today we're going to be focusing on more of leadership, the networking, the relationship aspects. The Digital Church Network will be launching in 2022, but to pave the road we needed to have some conversation to learn more about what church networks can look like.
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      <title>Last Minute Christmas Encouragement for Ministers</title>
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      <description>Christmas is just 2 days away and for some of you Christmas services may have already started at your Church. With all that is happening it can be a very stressful time of year. So, what can you do to be encouraged as a minister and how can you, as a minister, encourage and support your team? 
To talk about is with me is Cory Sullivan. Cory has been on the podcast numerous times (the most of any guest) and together we talk about what are some last minute Christmas encouragement for you and for your team this year. 
Make sure you take time this Christmas, and right after, to settle down, be encouraged and encourage and support your team. Everyone needs a break and time to recharge. The more you can enable this to happen, the stronger you and your team will be for the new year. 



 
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What about you? What are some other last minute Christmas encouragement do you have to share?  Share them with us below or on social media
Cory is a great resource and you can find him blogging here.  You can also follow him on Instagram here. He's a great resource so hit him up and pick his brain.





Join the Digital Bootcamp Facebook Group. To learn how to be more effective using digital tools for your ministry join the group. This is for ALL Ministers, not just Church Communicators or Social Media Managers as we share resources, tools and digital trends to see how we can reach more people for Christ with these tools.


Sign up for the Sidekick Scoop Weekly Email. Each Friday get a fresh email with content from all over the ministry world (especially online and student ministry topics) and be encouraged in how you can minister more effectively in today's world. 


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                    On January 14, 2021, the Jacksonville Jaguars hired Urban Meyer to be their Head Coach. Last Wednesday night, December 15, 2021, the Jacksonville Jaguars fired embattled coach Urban Meyer just 13 games into his first season.  
    
  
  
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                    Urban Meyer came to Jacksonville as a highly decorated College Football Coach, winning 3 National Titles. However, no one expected Urban Meyer to produce a winning season his first year in Jacksonville. But, from the very beginning there was dysfunction and a terrible work culture. 
    
  
  
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        So what does this teach ministers? The Head Coach (Leader) needs to lead by example. It doesn't matter what you have done in the past (Meyer was one of the winningest College Football coaches), creating a positive culture and leading by example is so important. If you fail to do this, you will have failed your team and your Church. It doesn't matter how well you preach, how great you dress, how many followers you have on social media, if you fail to lead effectively when no one else is looking, your team will be falling apart and not be as effective as they need to be. 
      
    
    
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      <description>Deck the halls with late night hours // Fa la la la la, la la la la // December, time for superpowers // Fa la la la la la la la la // Don we now our lack of margin // Fa la la la la la la la la //Til our disenfranchised spirits darken // Fa la la la la la la la la
Ministry in December doesn’t have to be hard. This is amplified even more in digital ministry circles where margin was nil. Enter Jon Pile, Digital Pastor over at City Church in San Antonio. With a heart for digital ministry, and a passion for soulcare, Jon is the perfect person to speak to health in ministry with a message we all need to hear.

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      <description>Creating guest pathways in ministry is so important to keeping guests at your Church engaged and coming back. It's important for you to have a pathway from being a guest to a regular attender and member of your "in person" Church AND for your online ministry. The reality is that people will likely come to your Church first online before they come in person to your Church. So, how do you create an effective digital guest pathway for your Church? 
To talk about this is Jake McNamara, Online Pastor at The Compass Church in Illinois. Jake shares his insights on how to fully engage someone new to their Church Online and how your Church can do something similar.



 
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For the love of all, let’s focus on doing something other than the weekend service! We’ve heard it time and time again, let’s do something different. Have you ever asked yourself why it’s so hard to do something different? Lee Coate, Executive Pastor at The Crossing Church, has figured out the formula for an experimental culture at a church, and sheds some insight on how to be a church that experiments, while talking about a recent experiment that the church is going through literally right now… “Sessions.” So jump on the podcast where Jeff and Lee sit down and talk through The Crossing’s Experimental Culture.

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Youth Ministers are responsible for a lot. Over the past few years being social media savvy has become one of the most important things Youth Ministers need to be concerned about. After all, students are on social media all the time. Knowing what to say, how to say it and how to act is so vitally important. 
That is why Dan Istvanik is on the podcast today. Dan is a Student Ministry Veteran of over 23 years and has written a blog post on why it is so important for Youth Ministers to be social media savvy. In this episode we cover some of the blog post, hitting on some really important aspects of social media. 
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                    Christmas gives Churches so many opportunities to minister and support people. The great news is that with digital tools and platforms you can do them throughout the month with just you leading them. There doesn't have to be a lot of high production into them for them to be effective. 
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                    Christmas can be a great uniter. Christmas brings people together. These are just four ideas that you can do. And, you can do them at anytime leading up to Christmas. Some are good for families, some for friends and some for individuals. The more you mix it up, the more likely you are going to be able to connect with the different people from your Church and help provide a joyful experience this Christmas season. 
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                    Pastor, the reality is that the Metaverse isn’t coming. It’s already here. Facebook/META and countless other corporations are working hard to make the Metaverse Community a reality. Whether the Metaverse is a community is not up to the church. Culturally, we have no control over that. The real question for the church, simply, is the Metaverse Community worthy of a church
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                    So how do we do ministry in the metaverse? Pastor, chances are you know nothing about virtual reality. Even still, you could launch a virtual reality campus in 2022. Hard to believe right? Jason Poling, Lead Pastor at Cornerstone Church in Yuba City is a great example. His small church in Northern California launched a Metaverse Campus attached to their Yuba City church. Cornerstone VR is now reaching, connecting, and discipling people in the metaverse. An important lesson to remember in metaverse church: you’re reaching a different type of person in the metaverse than at their physical location.
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                    Experience the community. You don’t need to understand it, just recognize the metaverse for what it is… a community. If your church is planting a church or a multisite in a new town you’re going to go visit and meet some people. Go meet the metaverse! Have fun!
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                    While 2021 has been an interesting year for us all, at least we can all be thankful that this year was better than 2020. At least it has been so far! So, what can you be thankful for this year? What are the blessings that God has provided you with? For me, I am thankful that for a variety of things. Here are some of what I am thankful for is...
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                    Life is never going to be perfect, but God is so good. He had demonstrated it all throughout history and is still working today. And, for that, I am grateful in 2021. As you think through what you are thankful for, choose to embrace a spirit of thanksgiving beyond the month of November. As the stats highlighted from above show, the more grateful and thankful we are, the better it is for our mental health and well-being. Let's embrace this attitude and thank God for His blessings.
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      <description>Before Covid hit there were very few Online Ministers. Sure, you had some Communication Directors and Social Media Managers, but not as many Online Ministers. 

 
There are now more Online Ministers who are serving who used in traditional ministry roles. So how does one make the transition to becoming an online minister when they have served in traditional roles before? To talk about this with me is Tyler. Volkers. Tyler is the Online Campus Pastor at The Ridge Community Church. But, he has served in a variety of traditional ministry roles up until COVID hit. 
 
 

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      <description>Podcasting is not new. In 2004 Adam Curry and Dave Winer are credited with inventing the medium and by 2013 Apple announced that there were over 1 billion podcast subscribers. 
Today 50% of Americans say they listen to a podcast. Because of that, podcasting presents a great opportunity for Churches to reach their local community. To help discuss what those opportunities are Joe Radosevich joins me on the podcast today. 
 

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                    Every generation is different, From Boomers to Gen Xers to Millennials to Gen Zers, each generation is characterized by something different. Student ministry leaders to the Boomers would reach football captains and cheerleaders to win respect. Student ministers to Gen Xers would go to the malls and sporting events to meet students. And, student ministers to Millennials would strive to reach different students in the variety of different social groups. 
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                    While Gen Z may be the most digital generation ever, there are a lot of similarities to ministering to them as a student minister. At the heart of the matter is to show up. The more a student minister can show up online, in person and consistently, the more likely students are going to experience the love of Christ.  
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                    Ok, so let's move past the "Friends" group avatar. This is far too easy. Put on your Phygital Church hat. Someone, likely with good intentions, wanted to start a conversation on the meaning of life (assumingely to lead towards a spiritual conversation), and it tanked, quickly. What are ways to improve the digital conversation to allow for more engagement from others? Here we go:
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                    If I were to walk in a room of my friends, and the first thing I were to say to them "Hey guys, what's the meaning of life?"... they'd be running out of the physical room quickly as well. Digital does not give you an excuse to be rude! Talk relationally first. Laugh, Share memes, gifs. People who have spiritual questions will talk to their friends who they think will have spiritual answers. Being friendly, being relational digitally will allow you to have deep conversations later. To get there, though, you gotta act like a real person first.
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                    It's 2021, and people want nothing to do with the church. "Meaning of life" and other religious questions, well, people aren't interested in this language. They've been burned, frustrated, disenfranchised by spiritual talk. If you're wanting to have deep conversations physically or digitally, don't use churchy words. What's Churchy? When is the last time you heard someone say "meaning of life" not in church/spiritual conversation? The more trust you've earned with your friends ON THE PLATFORM, the sooner you can introduce churchy language. Note: going churchy right off the bat is immediate failure.
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                    This may be an unpopular answer, and I confess that I've done this a lot. I would look at my group of friends and reach out to one of them that's a Christian, and prep them privately for the conversation ahead. "Hey Paige, on Tuesday I'm going to talk with the group about Jesus. Can you just keep an eye on the thread and be involved in the conversation?" Remember, in digital community no one EVER wants to be first. Sometimes it's better to prep the crowd with someone who can help engage the conversation, almost giving permission for others to join in. Don't be afraid to bring in a ringer!
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Can you post this for my ministry? Can you share about this event? Can you put this up on social media? 
 
Church Social Media Mangers are bombarded with a variety of social media requests from different ministries all the time. That's not to mention all the stuff they need to share on their own to-do list.
 
So how do you determine what to share, when to share it and what it looks like? Adam McLaughlin joins me on the podcast today to talk about the breakdown of an effective social media post for your Church.
 
 


 
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                    Meta's announcement just changed the game for ministries. Whether you are a believer in online ministry or not, it is simply not going away. In fact, it is only getting more integrated into peoples lives and the way corporations do business. Churches can either choose to ignore this or invest more into it. Churches are notorious for being behind the curve on these trends. Let's run with all the digital progress we've made over the past few years and continue to look for fresh ways to minister and serve people who are actively looking for Christ. The more we can engaged them and minster to them on their turf, virtual reality or in real life, the more likely they will experience Christ and grow in their faith.
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We are now almost 2 years into COVID. And with that many Churches and ministries are now almost 2 years into Online Ministry. As more Churches are asking what is next for Online Ministry at their Churches, I have invited Ben Stapley on the podcast to talk about this with me.
 


Ben Stapley is the Weekend Experience Director at Christ Fellowship in Miami, Florida. Ben shares with us Church Online Flowchart. We discuss this flowchart in detail as it really helps Churches and ministries decide what their next step is in Online Ministry. Do they continue with it or not? And, if they do continue with it, what are the options for Churches out there. 
 


As you process what your next steps are in Online Ministry, use this flowchart with your online team and Senior Leadership as a way to help decide what works best for you. 


 
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                    There’s a tendency to think that ministers can compartmentalize their life. Their personal lives and their pastoral lives don't always have to look the same. However, ministers aren't not called to live separate lives, they are called to live one life, loving others as Jesus did and guiding them closer to Him. If who you are as a Pastor doesn’t line up with who you are as a person than there is a serious issue. In fact, I would say your witness of the love of Jesus is completely null and void. No matter where you are or what you are doing, you have to constantly demonstrate the love of Christ to others.
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                    If it can happen to football coaches, it can happen to ministry leaders. In fact, it has already happened to ministry leaders. As ministry leaders and believers, we have an obligation to demonstrate the love of Christ at all times. If you can't do that, then you should seriously reconsider why you are a follower of Christ or a minister. In this very digital world we need to let the light of Jesus shine at all times. If we don't, our witness and testimony of the love of Jesus will be diminished.
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      Why is a digital church perceived to be so threatening to a physical church? Rather than see a digital church as complementary to what’s happening physically, a digital church is seen in competition, as if the Gospel means less digitally than physically. Reality is we see today that these digital churches are reaching a different type of person than physical churches are reaching. These digital churches are not in competition, they are completing our call in making disciples… just using different methods.
    
  
  
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The idea of a digital missionary may seem almost foreign to some. Can we really empower people to be on-mission digitally? What is that process to get people on-mission? This just scratches the surface when I sit down with Tom Pounder and talk about what a Digital Missionary is, and what they can be… Ready to think outside the box? Talk crazy? Let’s go.

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Guest: Tom PounderNew Life Christian Church, Online PastorDigital Bookcamp, Facebook GroupTwitter // Facebook // LinkedIn
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Episode 23: Tom Pounder &amp; Developing a Digital Missionary
Episode 91: Tyler Sansom - Building &amp; Using Influence as a Digital Missionary

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      <title>Episode 184: Tyler Sansom &amp; Discipleship via Mobile App</title>
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                    Yes, you read the title correctly. But you’re probably wondering, “Is this a small group for Minecraft lovers… or a group that takes place in Minecraft”? The answer is the latter. This is a small group that takes place entirely in Minecraft. Why? How? Well, the pandemic of has thrust pastors everywhere to grapple with digital ministry in many ways. It has also expanded the possible territory where we can take the gospel. If you want to learn more about starting a Minecraft small group at your church, read on!
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                    Christians have been so focused on getting people to a building that we’ve forgotten the power of going to where the people are. Let’s face it, no matter how much we upgrade our facilities, install new lights, LED panels, and Fog machines the reality is that some people simply will not step foot inside of a church facility regardless of how modern it feels. It’s a church. And some have negative feelings about that due to past experience or misconceptions. In recent years many churches have put a greater focus on small groups in homes, coffee shops, and other hangout spots as an entry point. But still, some people will never show up for a number of reasons. However, invite a student or adult into a small group within Minecraft…it peaks some’s curiosity more than others. Suddenly you have a whole new audience for people who are curious about Jesus but don’t want to put themselves in a physical situation where they can’t escape without being ultra rude. So, if you want to try this, where do you start?
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                    So, what is Minecraft? In short, it is a nearly endless, 3D world where you can “mine” every block in the world for different resources and “craft” other blocks or tools from those resources. It has two modes: Survival or Creative. Survival is a much slower pace as you start with nothing and have to gather resources and fight off monsters. Creative mode makes you invincible and gives you all the resources so you can just focus on being creative. You can also play on the same world with friends in a variety of ways. Imagine having a world that you can log into with a small group of people regardless of who was online. You can build pretty amazing worlds together or apart.
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                    Small group in the digital realm has to run different than the physical one. I would recommend high structure as you begin and then you can loosen up as time goes on. Here is what I tested and seemed to work pretty well in three big parts. You can use the same format or tweak it for your particular group:
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                    Near where people spawn, create a path to wherever you want the neighborhood to be. Then spend time doing some “zoning”. Using the fence within the game, create 50x50 blocks of land set up like a neighborhood with a street wide space going down the center. No need to cut down trees or flatten mountains. The members can do that on their own. Somewhere near the neighborhood create a little hangout space (very basic) where you all can gather for games and Discovery Bible Study time. The Group can help make this place more elaborate and unique to them later. Part of the goal of this is to give each person a section of land where they can create a home and thus build the “neighborhood.”
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                    Don’t limit yourself to people that you know love Minecraft. Think about people you have always wanted to be in your small group but have been too busy, live on the other side of town, have kids, have sports, basically are unavailable for another activity where they have to shower and put pants on for. INVITE THEM! Tell them you will teach them all they need to know. Don’t decide for them. Invite people who are near by.
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                    Because a Minecraft Small Group doesn’t depend on people getting physically in the same space, you can reach into your distant networks of people. In my beta group I had a couple join us who were local. But I also had a couple from another time zone 16 hours away join us because they thought it was a cool idea! They all loved it. Don’t limit yourself to just those local to your church. This could be a brilliant way to expand your online ministry to those near and far.
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      THECHURCH.DIGITAL is launching into its next ministry season, Season 2. For the past twenty years of ministry, Jeff and the TCD team have championed the cause of digital church, trying to convince churches to adopt a digital church strategy. The posture has been that of education as the majority of churches had not caught a vision for what digital can be. The focus of TCD in the past has been to change the mind of the pastor who does not believe in digital. It’s been a long, hard, twenty year journey.
    
  
  
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      We’ve got all these people, digitally? What are we supposed to do with them? If our churches really expect to exist digitally, then we need to be comfortable discipling people in digital space. What does a digital discipleship pathway look like? And how does a digital discipleship pathway operate compared to a physical discipleship pathway? Let’s start getting practical here on the BETA SHOW.
    
  
  
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      We get this a lot these days. Coming out of the COVID season many churches are trying to push back towards a physical-only process, while ignoring many of the lessons and principles that were learned during the pandemic... or leadership wants to still emphasize digital, but is putting all time, energy and resources into physical and ignoring digital?
    
  
  
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      In most situations, butts in seats is a horrible analytic. That being said, it’s necessary… but there are others! What are we looking at? What stats should we be looking at and how do we measure them? This is where we bring in the experts. RESI has been helping stream church services for years, and they’ve gotten quite good at helping churches measure and process analytics!
    
  
  
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In this new, Post-COVID society, the role of Digital Pastor is becoming more and more complicated. How do you push digital when so much pressure is going back to physical? This is the heart of the conversation with Brandon Arndt.
Brandon is new in his role, having recently become the Digital Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami as Rey De Armas transitioned out of his role recently. To celebrate the occasion, we take a trip down memory lane discussing everything from mentoring to Post-COVID culture to the first days being a Digital Pastor. All this and more on The Church Digital Podcast.

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Guest: Brandon ArndtChrist Fellowship Miami, Digital PastorFacebook // Instagram // LinkedIn
Host: Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITALTwitter // Facebook // Instagram // LinkedIn
Co-Host: Rey DeArmasTwitter // Facebook // Instagram
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Love you all! Praying for your Churches and your Ministry Online.
Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITAL</description>
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      <title>PODCAST 135: The New Mission Field - So What Exactly is Going on with Rey?</title>
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As a general rule, it’s tough being a Pastor. This COVID season has been tough on the church. As a result, a number of churches are shutting down… also concerning, a number of Pastors are resigning. And while burnout or deconstructing faith is relevant in the life of ministry in 2021, there are others that are reframing their calling.
THECHURCH.DIGITAL’s own Rey De Armas is on a similar journey. Recently resigning from his full-time church staff position, Rey is not walking away from ministry… instead he is walking towards a greater mission field than he’s experienced in his church staff career.
So join Jeff &amp; Rey as we go into greater detail talking about what exactly Rey’s been doing these days.

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Host: Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITALTwitter // Facebook // Instagram // LinkedIn
Co-Host: Rey DeArmasTwitter // Facebook // Instagram
HELP ANOTHER CHURCH. LEAVE A REVIEW.
We know these conversations are out there are hard. Even the best of churches haven't figured out... If this podcast is helping you and your church work through what Church Online is, then help us impact other churches! Take a moment and leave us a brief review!
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Love you all! Praying for your Churches and your Ministry Online.
Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITAL</description>
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      There’s a disruption happening within the Church, and it honestly has very little to do with technology. As churches are re-opening their physical doors with mixed results, some pioneers are disrupting the church scene, launch Digital-Only, Location-Independent Churches. Are you a disruptor in the making? Here are five reasons you may be a digital church planter in the making.
    
  
  
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      Potentially, what can separate a Physical Church from a Digital-Only Church? The ability to disciple people to the point of getting them on-mission… to help them discover their personal mission? This is why I see a similarity between Microchurch Movements and Digital-Only Churches… because we have the opportunity to relationally scale digital to the place of helping find their personal mission.
    
  
  
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      “Jeff, we’re just too small of a church to take advantage of what Digital has to offer.” Many pastors have shared this perspective with me, but their logic is fundamentally flawed. The small church’s perceived weakness is actually their strength, the reason why they can be successfully digitally. Can a small church be successful digitally? Absolutely! Let’s talk about how.
    
  
  
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      75% of the people I talk with, who are interested in planting a Digital-Only Church, are interested in being bi-vocational or co-vocational. They’re not looking to give up their full-time job to do ministry, instead they’re wanting to do ministry alongside (or even through) their job.
    
  
  
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      So I set out to better understand the heart behind co-vocational ministry. Having spent 15 years on various church staffs, I can honestly say I don’t have a solid perspective, and my learning accelerated quickly talking to Steve Pike. Steve, author of Next Wave: Developing the 21st Century Church. Steve starts talking about five different funding models for the Church. Tithes/Offerings is just one model… Bi-Vocational is another…
    
  
  
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      There are lots of solutions out there for digital churches. In my opinion, none of them is a game changer like Altar Live. The biggest problem in all of church online is how do we get people to stop “watching church is isolation.” In this COVID season, Altar Live grabbed the bull by the horns and solved that problem in a big way… oh, and along the way they solved some of your church’s online small group problems too.
    
  
  
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      <title>Which is Right – Church in Person or Church Online?</title>
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      <description>Hebrews 10:25 (KJV) says, “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”
The other day, someone asked me if a digital church was biblical. Then he quoted Hebrews 10:25 and stated that this verse shows that Christians are commanded to meet in person. This is an understandable question and statement. It is easy to translate scripture based on our experiences. Most of us have grown up witnessing the assembly of believers within the physical walls of the church.
Which is right – gathering in person or gathering online?
In John 4, Jesus meets a Samaritan woman at a well. The conversation is long but at one point, the woman asks this question: “So tell me this: Why do our fathers worship God here on this nearby mountain, but your people teach that Jerusalem is the place where we must worship. Which is right?”
Jesus responded,  “Believe me, dear woman, the time has come when you will worship the Father neither on a mountain nor in Jerusalem, but in your heart…From here on, worshiping the Father will not be a matter of the right place but with the right heart. For God is Spirit, and he longs to have sincere worshipers who worship and adore him in the realm of the Spirit and in Truth” (John 4: 21-24).

Jesus teaches us, it is not the place that matters. It is the heart of sincere worshipers the Father is after.

So wherever you worship- in-person or online, do it with a sincere and surrendered heart.
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      If you are reading this, if you are connected somehow to THECHURCH.DIGITAL, then you probably realize this already. If not, let me tell you… you are more than a techie. In my own life, I’ve wrestled with this. And in our physical, phygital, digital-only, multimodal churches we as techies come to this place where we realize we are more than button pushers.
    
  
  
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                    2016 we were doing Kids Church Online at Christ Fellowship Miami. What a crazy idea! Well, the idea was certainly before it’s time, and Kids Online was shut down less than six months after we started…
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                    ‍This means that your church's Sunday livestream may not be the essential draw for your unchurched friends and neighbors. Perhaps a signpost on your social media that announces that your prayer room is open for personal, private, face-to-face prayer is what will bring them.‍
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                    About a year ago many of us were saying, “Church has changed forever, it will never be the same.” We adopted the word phygital (which sounds like a restless physician’s ponytail to me) and we declared that we were now online churches with physical locations. About two weeks later everyone quit watching our online streams. (Not everyone, but it felt like it.) Researchers started telling us that not only had our people quit paying attention, they were never coming back to our churches. We were doomed, I say, doomed.
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                    And then Texas and Florida decided Covid wasn’t a thing and churches resumed in-person meetings. We were tentative at first; requiring masks and banning singing (which wasn’t much of a change for most attenders), offering few if any kids’ programs, and carefully measuring 6’ between seats, rows and urinals. And then one crazy church in every community declared the government couldn’t tell them what to do, burned their masks and staged an all-church group hug. We were back!
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                    Little by little the “back to the past” movement took hold. As Covid began to recede and vaccinations rolled out like ‘Bama at the Sugar Bowl (I have no idea) churches felt loosed to go out and revert to exactly what they did before. And revert they did. Great music! Relevant sermons! Fun kids’ ministry! once again ruled the land.
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                    The pressure to revert is enormous. The people know what they want and they want what they had before. They like the music, the sermons, and whatever kids’ ministry leaders do to keep their children entertained for an hour. They tried the new, the creative and the unprecedented for a year, and now they are ready for the comfortable, the predictable and the recognizable.
    
  
  
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                    And the good news is we are the best in the world at what we used to do. We have honed our model to a fine art, we have taught it at conferences and we’ve written about it ad nauseam. Our staff, our buildings and our budgets are all built on the pre-pandemic model of church. Phygital was like that girl you met at summer camp; she was fun for a week, but now that you’re home its time to pick back up with your childhood sweetheart. (Sometimes these analogies don’t even make sense to me.) No one is more nostalgic for yesterday than those of us who spent a lifetime creating the past.
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                    There are a whole lot of people who are perfectly satisfied with church the way it used to be. Many of them will come back, or they’ll at least check in occasionally to see if you’re still doing it the way they like. They’ll keep volunteering occasionally, giving a little once in awhile, and warming our stack chairs when they are in town and there’s nothing better to do. This isn’t everyone, but its a much bigger percentage than most of us would like to admit. The quickest path to the numbers and accolades we are used to is back the way we came.
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                    There are two challenges on the path back. The first is, if we continue to do the things we did before, we will continue to see the same results. Our numbers may grow, but the level of engagement and true discipleship will not. If shut down taught as anything its that our congregations are not nearly as mature as disciples as we had thought our hoped. Attenders will be happier, satisfied and comfortable, but they are unlikely to grow.
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                    The other challenge is most of the people in our communities who did not attend before Covid are even more unlikely to attend after. They have read stories of church gatherings as super-spreader events, pastors demanding their rights and refusing to follow guidelines, and Christians storming the Capitol. They don’t care about the nuances of the truth, or the bias of the reporters. What they have seen over the last year has only confirmed their belief that our churches are inconsequential at best and destructive at worst. What we did before was somewhat ineffective among the truly unchurched, now I fear that it may be seen as completely irrelevant.
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                    The problem with finding a new path forward is you have to find a new path forward. (Insightful) There isn’t a template to follow or a model to emulate. The biggest question I get is, “Who is doing this well, and how can I learn from them?” It is a great question, but the answer is no one. We are all figuring this out together. A great book to read on the season we find ourselves in is
    
  
  
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                    I met this week in Atlanta with a handful of leaders who are intent on becoming mountain climbers, focused on blazing a new path forward. They are asking hard questions about what a church really is, where it meets, and how it connects to a larger church body. They are learning from the progress and mistakes of pioneers who’ve been asking these questions for many years. These weren’t just wild-eyed entrepreneurs, they were leaders from some of the best known churches in the country. Although they are in the minority, I believe these leaders, and others like them, are willing to take the withering criticism, make the costly mistakes, and carve out the uncertain trail that is required for the church to prevail in this completely new season.
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                    Carving a path through the mountains is what I want to do with the rest of my life. I love the church as it has been, but I can’t spend any more time helping it be a better version of what it was. My goal is to find the way forward through meaningful conversations among like minded leaders, focused on discovering church for the new reality. Here are the conversations I want to focus on:
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                    I’ll share details soon on how you can join these conversations, but for now I have one question, do you want to paddle back up the river, or do you want to climb the mountains?
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      I ran into Dave on Twitter, talking similarities between Micro-church and Digital-Only churches. But what started out as a digital/micro convo quickly got much larger talking about many other models of church. What lessons is Community Christian learning? What are they looking to get into next? What’s the minimal/essential ecclesiology that aligns biblically without limiting multiplication? At what point is Jeff going to launch a digital-only church through Community Christian? These are many of the questions we’re talking about here in the next episode of The Church Digital Podcast.
    
  
  
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      I thought I knew what to expect with Jared &amp;amp; Angie. Leading one of the largest (if not the largest) digital only expression of church in America, I was expecting the couple to fit the mold a digital pastor… what we see so often in our Phygital Churches. To be honest, Jared &amp;amp; Angie, and much of this conversation, was a complete surprise.
    
  
  
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      What I heard instead was a passion to reach and disciple people with any method possible. Their aggressive, go get it attitude speaks volumes. Their passion to connect with people using digital tools, incredible. The fact that the digital-only church didn’t exist until before COVID, and the fact that they themselves didn’t do digital ministry anywhere before COVID, shocking!
    
  
  
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      The week before things were scheduled to return to “normal” our Safety Team Leader asked me how we were preparing for the potential fall out of this new virus called Corona.  “Jeff,” I smugly said, “I don’t have time for that.  This whole thing will blow over in two weeks tops.”  That was the last week we met in person for nearly seven months.  
    
  
  
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      Those two weeks came and went.  We were all still at home.  You were too!  We were convinced we would resume in person worship by Easter.  Not a chance.  It was May and it was becoming clear that we were not experiencing a temporary interruption to life; we were in the early stages of a drastic shift in culture.  Change was upon us.
    
  
  
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                    IMAG, or image magnification, uses cameras, projectors and screens to enlarge an image of the stage at a live experience to give the audience a better view. Below are some examples at churches across the country. My setting is a church, so that is how I will frame this talk. But these principles are transferable to any live event - be it a high school play, college graduation ceremony or outdoor summer concert.
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      Let’s come to clarity. The Western church has done some things right over the years. That being said, there’s still a lot to learn. The mass accelerator of COVID changed all the rules, and as a result the church has more questions than answers, especially in the long-term usefulness of digital church.
    
  
  
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                    But once COVID-19 reared its ugly head, churches were scrambling to try to implement this same scenario. We began to impose ourselves on the Internet’s denizens, which now included 
    
  
  
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                    Because, you know, we need to keep people interested in church throughout the week or else they’ll never actually WANT to learn about their Savior, right? (sarcasm intended)
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                    To be fair, most of these groups started off on fire...and then 3 weeks into it, started to trail off. 
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                    We need a new model. We need something that has been working. We need something that is both smaller AND larger at the same time. 
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                    Whereby 2-4 people gather together in a party chat of some kind, be it Discord or the platform-specific chats, and said people start to shoot away. These people may be just up the road from each other. Oftentimes, though, they’re in different parts of the country, or even the world.
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                    Which is what we’re called to do in the first place. 
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                    I have a background playing competitive Halo. Back in the heady days of 2007 and 2008, I had a small group of guys that I would play Halo 2 and Halo 3 with. We actually would sit in a lobby once a week, do a small Bible study, pray together...and then proceed to “pwn n00bs” (because 1337-speak back in the day was super cool). 
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                    But Halo was just the medium for our Bible study. I made connections with people that I had never met over some forums, we started playing, and boom, discipleship started to happen because of our shared love of Jesus and capture the flag strategies. 
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                    Though we don’t play Halo anymore, I still talk with those guys on a weekly and monthly basis via socials. We pray for each other. We lift each other up in the down times. We learned about Jesus together, and that should never be discounted.
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                    That never would have happened if that group was larger, however. That 2-4 people is the sweet spot, in my humble opinion. More people means more personalities, which means less freedom to speak and less freedom to question.
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                    Deeper learning happens in SMALLER small groups. The medium, whether its a video game or a published discipleship book you’re focused on, is simply the conduit for the conversation and the growth therein.
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                    In your church, your digital ministry, your small group and discipleship, start to think SMALLER in your strategy. Don’t think about putting people in groups of 8-12 on the Internet. It just doesn’t work. 
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                    Instead, create a medium or a curriculum, but let the conversation and the life flow from that. Let your groups organically form around something. If the Great Commission calls us to go to the “ends of the earth,” and much of the world’s population is sitting playing a multiplayer game on their phone or PS5, then we need to visit it. Be open to new ideas from church members that are listening to the Holy Spirit.
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                    Chances are, your next ministry opportunity will be found in this year’s hottest new release.
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      I can remember a conversation I had with a Lead Pastor back in early 2019… “you know, there are probably only 20 people in the country who actually serve full-time as a digital pastor.” It has been fascinating to see how churches are pivoting to Digital as a result of COVID. Some churches are embracing the opportunity, even as far as moving people from other staff positions to lead, to champion the Digital opportunities within the church.
    
  
  
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                    Lately, there has been a lot of dialogue about censorship within online communities and social media. With any type of content hosting or distribution, a major concern is that it may be removed, taken down, or censored due to it not conforming to a specific viewpoint, especially when it comes to faith-based material. Politics aside, we believe that this is an important conversation to address. While we do not see any imminent concerns that would cause worry for church or faith-based organizations, there are many advantages to “owning” your platform (for example, 
    
  
  
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                    First, using your website instead of news feeds encourages viewers to stay on your event longer. Typically, social platforms promote short watch times (on average, less than 3 minutes) in order to keep users engaged with other content and advertising (which is how sites like Facebook and YouTube make money). Secondly, streaming services (such as Resi) prioritize video and audio quality much more than social sites, allowing you to have the best experience for your viewers. Finally, controlling your streaming platform enables you to have the most ownership of your content and experience, without concerns of being censored or taken down.
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                    At Resi, we believe that free speech and expression is a principle that is of highest importance to ensure to anyone who uses our services, and we will do everything that we can to protect this right should it be threatened. As a leadership team that created Resi originally for our church, this is none more true than for content related to faith and gospel mission. While some providers may have worrisome or vague policies on censorship, we assure that we will never censor faith-based content, and only remove content which is in direct violation of our Master Service Agreement (to protect against material like pornography, etc.).
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                    As you may know, it is one thing to make this promise, and another to enforce it. While a service provider may commit to not impinging on content freedom, these providers will have providers of their own that they rely on. This is why from the very beginning, Resi has been built on a scalable multi-cloud architecture, which we are continuing to build upon all the time. This, along with enabling robust, infinitely scalable streaming no matter the traffic, allows us to be nimble and ensure consistency of streams. By not being bound to a single provider and utilizing multi-cloud computing capability, we can guarantee reliability and continuous service even through disruptions, no matter the cause.
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                    Having complete control of your content and streaming experience (without ads, viewer dropouts, or censorship concerns) is the best way to engage with your audience, and is surprisingly easy to do! Join a 
    
  
  
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      <title>PODCAST 114: Jay Kranda and the Constant Evolution of an Online Church</title>
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      <description> 
Of course COVID caused a radical shift for churches. I think it’s important to notice that, even for the guys doing Online Ministry for years COVID brought a change. For this conversation, we’re bringing in Saddleback’s Online Campus Pastor, Jay Kranda. Jay’s been doing online ministry for a decade now, and over the years he’s seen lots of changes (including while under the pressure cooker of COVID.)
How has ministry changed and how can we as digital pastors, church staff and volunteers manage the tension? Let’s find out.

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Guest: Jay KrandaSaddlebackTwitter // Facebook // Instagram // LinkedIn
Host: Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITALTwitter // Facebook // Instagram // LinkedIn
Co-Host: Rey DeArmasChrist Fellowship Miami OnlineTwitter // Facebook // Instagram
RESOURCES

JayKranda.com
Phygital Church - Stadia Church Planting

HELP ANOTHER CHURCH. LEAVE A REVIEW.
We know these conversations are out there are hard. Even the best of churches haven't figured out... If this podcast is helping you and your church work through what Church Online is, then help us impact other churches! Take a moment and leave us a brief review!
By leaving a positive ranking and review of THECHURCH.DIGITAL PODCAST on iTunes, you're helping to get this podcast in front of new people who are most likely asking the same questions you are. Head over to that Ratings &amp; Review section on iTunes and drop a good word for us!
Feedback on the podcast is vital as well. Leave comments on the podcast, or comment on this post! I'd love to know your thoughts and how we can serve your church better.
Love you all! Praying for your Churches and your Ministry Online.
Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITAL</description>
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      Research December 2020 tells us that 80% of people cold to Christ don’t care about our worship services, physical or digital. Event-based evangelism has been waning for years, and now COVID has effectively killed it off. While today’s large gathering church services do serve a purpose beyond evangelism, it’s important for churches to recognize that there are other ways we need to share Christ with those who are far from Him.
    
  
  
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      <title>PODCAST 112: Jason Morris, Heidi Tompkins, Micro-locations &amp; the Acts 2 Revolution</title>
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                    2020 was eventful for churches, thank you very much COVID. As churches across America were forced to move their ministry digital, THECHURCH.DIGITAL spent the year helping churches like yours develop digital strategies for ministry. We saw our our podcast listenership increase almost 500%, and our blog readership expand at times over 1,000% percent. Through the hundreds of blogs, podcasts, live streams, webinars, and other resources, we've been able to help thousands of churches this year.
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      2020 huh. Painful doesn’t even start to describe. COVID brought a run of painful, culture changing events. The church, the country, the world may never be the same. Through the awkwardness of social distancing came the culture-shift of Phygital. Sure, business knew how to do phygital, but churches traditionally were slow to the concept. Well, mid-March was a time of reconciliation, as the majority of Churches were suddenly forced to move their ministry to digital, with mixed results.
    
  
  
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      I love conversations with DJ Soto. DJ challenges me, regularly, and this conversation once again pushes the limits. As Lead Pastor of VR Church, DJ is stretching the boundaries of Avatar Church. Yes, Avatar Church. Here at The Church Digital Podcast, we talk Physical/Phygital church all the time. We talk Digital-Only Churches like Jate Earhart's Love Clan... now we really do a deep dive here talking about putting a church in the Virtual Reality world. Actually, VR Church is different than Digital-Only Churches as it deserves the separate category of Avatar Churches.
    
  
  
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    Hey, welcome to The Beta Show. Episode eight here. I'm Jeff with The Church Digital Podcast and Stadia Church Planting. I'm normally introducing Rey DeArmas, Digital Pastor of Christ Fellowship Miami. For whatever reason, he's not going to join us today. Let's just pretend that he is fa la laing at la la la. So it's going to be me. It's going to be solo and it's gonna be awesome. Hey, so we normally do these on Wednesday. we actually had, I wanted to take a break from, doing the beta show. I just got so excited on this topic. It's like, let's, let's do a broadcast anyway, just me, but tomorrow, Wednesday, we're doing The Cray Show. We're gonna have some fun, you know, kind of like trying to offer some levity in this holiday season tomorrow, Wednesday, we're doing the top five unofficial top five ranking of geek Christmas movies.
    
  
  
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    Don't want to give it to you. In addition to that, oftentimes the connection cards requesting too much information. I swear I clicked on that and it didn't go, too much information, too soon. I don't want to give you I person cold to Christ, cold to church, cold to your organization. I don't want to give you all my kids' birthdays. I don't want to give you my anniversary. I'm not interested in all of this information. So often churches use that connection card tied into like the database for the church. And here are the 47 fields that have to be filled out in order to effectively create a database record in the church management system. Okay, look, online's different. You're going to reach a lot of people and those lots of people aren't interested in giving you 47 records of data to put into the system.
    
  
  
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    You may need to consider doing another strategy here. And the third part, the connection card is not easily accessible on all platforms. How do you connect to the connection card on Facebook, on, on Instagram, live on, on YouTube? Where is that information, available? It's oftentimes it's not connection card strongly featured in church, online platform, but a lot of these other areas it's difficult to get to. You've got to read through the comments on Facebook to find the appropriate time to go to it. And so just for whatever reason, you're not seeing a lot of engagement when it comes to the connection card. Like if you're honest, look at yourself and evaluate for your church, you're probably not feeling it now. Let's keep pulling that honesty thread. And this honestly may not be the answer that we want to hear. Online services are struggling in context of reaching people called to Christ.
    
  
  
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    90% of non-Christians after having a conversation about faith with a Christian within the past year. So I talked about faith, last person, cold to Christ had a conversation with a Christian physically or digitally 90% of the non-Christians reported that the conversation went well. I think sometimes we, as Christians were afraid of, you know, the wrath of the Twittersphere and saying something and offending and, and 90% have reported that the conversation went well. So the fear that we have in, in not sharing our faith online, honestly, from the non-Christian perspective, we're learning from Barna. They're not feeling it. So, Hey, maybe there is a better opportunity for us to not do the services for evangelism, but to do something different and start to take personal relationships. And through those relationships connect people to Christ. So that's a whole other conversation, by the way, if you want to read that Barna report, it's on barnard.com.
    
  
  
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    There's a short link at barna.com/stadia. And so you can get, Barnas a report there towards hybrid church that they did with stadia the alpha it's at Barna, the alpha evangelism, both reports are phenomenal, super exciting to see real life stats coming in real time. Well, Hey, I've stalled a lot here. Let's get to the meat of it. Five things that we can do better than the connection card, five things that work better than the connection card. All right, look, here we go. Number one, text connect to whatever the reason this is better is if I'm on Facebook, if I'm on YouTube, if I'm on all these platforms, the connection cards not easily accessible. And now if I'm on Facebook on a, on a mobile phone, it's full screen, and I've got to scroll around to try to find the connection card I made like disconnect from the video entirely because iOS, the video goes full screen and you can't connect with it always and firmware and blah, blah, blah.
    
  
  
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    Look. Sometimes it's just easier to have a completely separate option. So the text connect to whatever, or here's the, the church address.org/connect, make it easily accessible for people to get to the connection card, regardless of whatever platform you're on. Now, it's an interesting challenge. Even here with the text to connect. Look, I just said, I don't want to give you my cell phone number. And now you want me to use my cell phone number to text you what, what I want. And so people are going to be hesitant to call people to Christ. You're going to be hesitant to go this route. Maybe it's worth doing, but there's going to be some hesitancy towards it. So, so know that that going in Facebook groups, to me, this is a huge win organizationally because while I person called the Christ, I don't want to give you my cell phone because I don't want you constantly harassing me.
    
  
  
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    And there's really no way easy way for me to block you. And I don't want to give you my email address because you're going to constantly harass me with things that I'm not interested in. And you, you may or may not unsubscribed correctly. It, when I, when I click on subscribe to the email, Facebook gives me person called the Christ user. It gives me complete power to say, I never want to hear from you again, couple simple mouse clicks can block. So for a situation of dialoguing with somebody doing this via a Facebook group, doing it via the Facebook platform is incredibly easy. So even things like, Hey, you know what? Jumping in this Facebook group, and when they jump in the Facebook group, you get the handle automatically on Facebook. Similarly, dialoguing on the Facebook platform right now, some churches have reported 40%, engagement response using Facebook messenger.
    
  
  
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    So in other words, a person called the Christ. I reach out to them directly via Facebook messenger. Churches are reporting back as high as 40% of those response of those requests of those dialogues come back. 40% of the time, the person, your Facebook messaging is going to reply back to you. That is an incredibly high response. If you look at email, you're lucky. If you get 40% of opens, much less 40% of responses, try, try calling people and see if you get 40% of of responses back. Facebook messenger is very high. I've actually had industry standard. Tell me outside of the church, as high as 80% of people are responding to Facebook messenger. And so getting that Facebook address and then dialoguing with them getting their Facebook profile and dialoguing them through the groups through the messenger is a big way to build relationships. If you get people fed into a group, now you have access to that group to continually build relationships, create content that gets engagement that gets them warm to the idea of Christ or warm to the idea of who you are.
    
  
  
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    And through those relationships continually funnel them up. Here's another one talking about Facebook and social media follow up individually. Like one-on-one on anyone who likes comments or shares your social media post or online service. Once again, utilizing that Facebook messenger method or Instagram direct service, do whatever you've got to do to engage with those people, directly. So if they like it, that gives you permission to reach out, ask questions like, Hey, how can I serve you? How can I pray for you? What can I do for you in ministry? How can I, how can I care for you? How can I help you spiritually start to really dialogue through these things and give them an option, give them an opportunity to engage in and follow up. Don't be afraid just because they like something that gives you permission to reach out. They don't like you.
    
  
  
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    They won't reply. They don't like you they'll block you. But the fact that they liked what you said means that they're already a little bit warmer because they, they, they digested a smaller piece of content, which is giving you an opportunity to move forward. I've had a couple of churches tell this one to me. I I'm, I'm intrigued by it. And so I would suggest maybe some of you guys experiment with this rather than, you know, filling out a connection card. That means now I have to pick up the phone, email, follow up with that person directly. And which means like there's nothing accountable towards it. They can just ignore. I've had a couple churches tell me they've had rapport, success with this. Instead of just filling out a form that goes to some email lists that, you know, they may or may not have replied to have them fill out the form, which plugs them in immediately into a next steps class and to learn about the church into a one-on-one where there's like immediate application towards it.
    
  
  
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    And so as effective as it is for the connection cards to possibly engage people to our organization, things like this, honestly are another step towards how we should be empowering the Susie's of our church, the 99, the people who are already engaged into our church and getting them connected to the church to Christ. So, Hey, this has been great. So we're going to post all this on, on YouTube. We're going to post it over at The Church Digital obviously. Look in this Christmas season. We want to see, we, Stadia Church Planting. We, The Church Digital. Me. We want to see churches thrive. We want to see disciples made. We want to see people take a step closer to a greater understanding of Christ and all of those steps work through relationships. So whether the connection card works, whether it doesn't, whether some of these other things that we talk about, work or don't. These next steps for your church for it to be effective 2021 and beyond all center around building these relationships. So we'll listen, we are, we're going to wrap here. This has been a great time. Thank you for this. Hey, we're going to be back tomorrow with The Cray Show, goofing off with Rey, special guest host, Tyler Sansom from Church Anywhere talking about, listen, how bad is this segway? Literally going from like relational evangelism to the top five, unofficial geeky, Christmas movies, but Hey, you know what? It's 2020. We're just living a crazy life. So if we're going to wrap, thanks everybody. Y'all have a good day.
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    He and Professor Lowe who's a Liberty University Professor. Awesome. Talking about academia and church online. Great stuff there. Hey, Dan. good to know you're out there. Here's what we're going to talk about this week. Episode seven here, experiment, learn to fire bb's before bullets, before bombs. I always liked this bb's before bullets before bombs, let's get to the heart of the question here. I talked to my church, I talked to my church leadership. This is a question texted into us. I talked my church leadership into trying a viewer interactive service. This Christmas I'm a volunteer tasked with creating the format. Staff will execute logistics. How can I start small shoot bbs before bullets before bombs and set us up for hopeful success to build on. Okay, interesting question. you know, it's funny, even Rey and I were talking off air here a little bit here.
    
  
  
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    Not exactly sure what a viewer interactive service would, would, would look like. There's just some interesting words. and I'm hoping there's some culture within the church of, Hey, like we're used to doing this sort of thing, and it's not just somebody trying something ridiculous out of, out of left field in a, in a very terrifying, maybe like it is like it is with Christmas, but I love the heart of this. I love the fact that it's a volunteer. That's challenging the church, maybe, Hey, we can do this. What if we did it this way? Like so often I entered some key volunteers that are in my life. There's still friends that are still pushing me in certain ways. And so I love that relationship where volunteers can maybe push the church into challenging and to trying something different. So, Rey, what are you thinking when you look at this question,
    
  
  
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    I love that folks dream big. and, and we want to continue to dream big. Jeff and I love during big, and we love like experimenting. However, and this is something to kind of key into as we key into what a BB or what a bullet. And then what a BB looks like is you got to make sure that the fundamentals are done no matter what dunking a basketball is. Fantastic. If you're not able to dribble though, you're not touching the league. And so you got to make sure that the fundamentals are still very, very important and crucial in terms of testing, because this is, this is big because especially with COVID, everybody keeps thinking high-tech bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, but if some of the fundamentals and basics of creating community and all that, aren't there, then really you're going to do one great experience. Everybody's going to be like, wow, that was awesome. But then it w you're gonna see a little return on the backend. You're gonna ask yourself, well, what is it really worth it? And we don't want, we don't want you to experience that
    
  
  
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    Love that that's actually a sets up. One of the things that I was going to say, and I didn't even tell Rey, I was going to talk about, this was last minute, drop somebody out in the Twittersphere, tweeted this this morning. And I forget who it was. So if it was you, I'm sorry. Be consistent before you innovate. don't be the guy that's just coming out of left field. Oh, I want to do this. And then go, go and do it be consistent with the regular create that, that culture create that standard. Get more people involved with you before there be consistent. Don't be afraid of innovation of, of experimenting of doing it. But to the point of, if you can't, you know, run, if you can't even walk, why are you going to try to run? If you, if you can't run, where are you going to try to run that marathon?
    
  
  
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    Like do some simple steps, make sure you're, you're good at that, that your, your team, your group is good with that. And move on. The ultimate thing you want to do is, you know, analysis paralysis stuck in a rut working Sunday to Sunday. You're just trying to, the church is just trying to be comfortable. They're in that groove and they're afraid to experiment, try something, or, you know, the average church, I hear time and time again, we just, Jeff, we just don't have time. There's not enough hours in a day. We're, we're so busy doing the stuff that, that we're doing, that we don't actually really want to try to do anything different. And that that's the challenge, you know, from a guy that's been on church staff for years, and talking and helping churches in the season, that so often that I tell people, church staff, people think they're the busiest people on the planet.
    
  
  
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    And I don't know if it's actually true. Sometimes they are, they aren't, but that Sunday morning, 9:00 AM, it's 167 hours away. There's so much work. There's so much preparation that goes into that one hour talking here in the U S church model that sometimes we're afraid to, to set goals for higher standards to try to change, to do something different because we've got that routine that's in place. And, and I love the fact with, with this question that we've got a volunteer, that's challenging that and challenging the church to kind of step through that. Right. Rey, any thoughts on it?
    
  
  
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    And guess what the service is tomorrow. So you want to make sure and have whatever is the focus of that, and then continue to drive towards that. And then if at all possible pick one platform, whatever your church's best platform is, whether it's Facebook, YouTube, but pick one, don't go all of them, pick one platform and aim for that. This way, communication wise, you can be very, very clear to your church, especially like if you don't have clear good communication in your church, a lot of this is going to get lost in the mix. Like if you're sending them six or seven emails a day, they're going to ignore this. So I'm telling you right now, you have to be very, very clear. This is what we're doing. This is where you can go. And this is how you can find it because I guarantee you, your staff is going to evaluate this by how many people engage with it. So that's going to be very important.
    
  
  
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    Yeah, it is. It's very, very true there for, for the volunteer or the staff person. You know, like Rey was saying, understand the situation that you're walking into more, not only like the opportunity that's available to try and to do something different, but even the situation of, Hey, the production director, the tech guy who's on staff for the church, just had a second kid and his really busy office hours time-wise and it may be a headache or, or the lead pastor is struggling with the idea of, Hey, you know what? We're seeing 30% attendance in our building. I'm really not sure on this whole digital thing. And maybe I'm questioning, or maybe even the financial stress, the church may be under because they're seeing a 20 to 30% dip in giving because of the economical situation. All of this feeds into the experiment, because what you are doing is you are wanting to change the situation.
    
  
  
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    You're wanting to change the rut. Meanwhile, everyone else in the church is trying to get back to the, they want to get a hundred percent of people back in the building. They want to get the giving up. They, they, they want to get back to their normal work environments. And sometimes, you know, they're, they're hesitant to try different things. When in fact, in this season, you need to try different things. So really understand that situation. And, and even to the point that will, Rey was saying, if you're a volunteer, trying a different thing, have a single staff content content who you are working through because so often in these staff environments, Oh, I gotta talk to this guy about this, this guy, to this, this guy about this. And all of a sudden you're three, four, five, six, nine people along. And I've just seen it time and time again, where the volunteer gets fried and gets, gets lost because different people have different responsibilities to check out.
    
  
  
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    So, so find that one person who's on staff who's bought into it and run with it. Or if, if you're at a small church, talk to those volunteers that are key holders, that, that are stakeholders in what you're trying to do and get them to own some of this responsibility as well. Do not be the guy who's trying to do a church experiment in a vacuum. It takes, more than that, let me, let me segue here at number two, play in the sandbox. know the technology, know what you're experimenting with long before you get to the broadcast. So whatever you're trying to do the day when it, when it, when it's going live, don't don't get any surprises. Don't be like, Oh, what does this button do? I've I've been that guy in the middle of the actual thing. I've never actually seen this button before. Let me cloak dang it. It's all gone. What do I, what do I do now? Don't be that guy play in the sandbox long before you get to that point, work out all the, all, all the kinks. So when you're actually going into the day of, there's no surprises in what's happening. Right. What do you got? Yeah.
    
  
  
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    And then along with that, like, so play in the sandbox for sure. Test out all your AAV stuff in advance. Cause that's usually the stuff that kind of poops out and then keep it simple. Keep your programming super simple. especially in regards to shooting a BB or bullet, like have one place where you're shooting, don't say, Hey, we're going to go here and then we're going to go here. And then we're going to shoot over to this person's phone and they're going to take over on live. Don't do any of that. And same thing with your chat situation. Like if you're going to talk about like interacting with people, do it all through chat, like encourage people like to interact with the chat, have chat volunteers on, you know, onsite, like to type in and to take part in it below the zoom experience and all this stuff.
    
  
  
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    I've seen a lot of churches do that. And I, and I know that a lot of churches are, are taking a look at that. The tough thing is, is that when you talk about interaction and to talk about like table interaction, we don't do our services that way, where it's like, all right, we're going to pause the message right now. And we're going to hear from our audience, you know, kind of like Donahue used to do, or like, you know, your, your daytime talk shows, right? Like that's not what we're there to do. We're there to, you know, give content, but then to engage with them through the content. And so as you're playing through the sandbox, think through what that experience is going to be like, and then use the kiss strategy, keep it simple, stupid, right? Like as simple as possible, and then roadmap it out. If you're going to have discussion questions, roadmap it out, have your chat volunteers aware ahead of time and help them guide the conversation along the way.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. Plan everything out in advance. And then let me just roll through some bullets here, test the technology, often learn all aspects of, of the technology that you're testing, experimenting. Even the ones you don't need today, know what it can do so that you can grow so that it can scale with you. And if, and if a platform is way over engineered and there's a simpler solution, don't be afraid of the simpler solution for today. Don't necessarily buy the platform you need for tomorrow by the platform you need for today. Write the small checks before you write the big checks, make sure that your, your organization has bought into the culture into the DNA that wants to own the responsibility of what you're stepping into. And if you can do that on a free platform or a cheap platform, as opposed to an enterprise level platform, well, it's better to learn those lessons at 1999 a month, as opposed to, I don't know, $500 a month or whatever the, the higher price point is.
    
  
  
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    You know, all those things can grow up. And so number three here, established culture, invite others to play with you. And especially if there's dollar figures that are, that are involved, invite other people into the sandbox, let them play, get their feedback, get, get it's one thing to have. And this is a mistake. Honestly, I've made this mistake in, in church life. It's one thing to be the owner of an idea. It's another, to be a catalyst of an idea that now other people own. And so the more that you get other people to own the technology, to own the experiment, to own this, whether it's staff or whether it's volunteers is where you get buy-in. This ownership of that idea is going to allow it to become part of the culture of, of what your church is. And the idea will solidify much quicker.
    
  
  
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    It will be far more effective, and you're going to be able to utilize other people other than just yourself to execute it on a regular basis. So don't be afraid to invite others in the sandbox. Even if you don't know all the details, you don't have the finished solution for it yet. Bring them in, let them be part of this. So let love where this conversation is going. Let's move on to the next one here. Go public before you go public. Here's what I, here's what I mean by this. If you're, if you are wanting to do something on a Sunday morning, you're wanting to experiment with something on a Sunday morning. A Sunday morning is a horrible time to go public with an experiment for the first time. So find ways to go public with the technology, with the experiment, with this adjustment, with this new idea, before you get to the Sunday morning service. Now, now, Rey, you were talking about like a, you know, a Tuesday or a Thursday. Like what, what are some examples of some ways maybe that we can roll out and do something here about going public before public.
    
  
  
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    It's really easy to have a test run ahead of time on an off night that will allow for you to get all the kinks out of the system, but at the same time to cast some vision. So, you know, you can even tell people, Hey, listen, and you can invite them into this process. We've done this. We have legit done this when we've done like Instagram live sessions, Hey, church, family. We are testing this out. And so we want to thank you for joining us here on Instagram live. And so if you've got any comments right now, go ahead and drop them in because we are testing this out. We've legit done that because number one, we don't want to set a false precedent, our account, like we're not going live with the express purpose of that, but then all even use that to promote, Hey, but ultimately we're testing this out for Friday night, Friday night, we're doing our live service, you know, right here on Instagram live.
    
  
  
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    We want you to join us here. So make sure and test this out with us and let us know if it's working on your end and you'd be surprised how many people give the thumbs up loud and clear. Everything's great. No, you're you sound a little distorted, Rey, your wifi is a little bit off. You know, your signal's not good. That's a great way to go public before you go public. And guess what? People will be very forgiving about this because they're looking forward to something that you're going to do next. And then afterwards, the great thing with live streams is you can delete them. That's the great, awesome thing. You can go back and delete it. So it doesn't have to live forever on the internet. You know, you can go back and delete it once you're done going public before you go public. But it's another great way to point forward doing that test run. It's a great way to point forward at what's coming next.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. I mean, things like, a Monday or Tuesday, devotional thought by the lead pastor utilizing the technology that's pointing towards the Sunday morning service, or you're doing an advent countdown for five weeks where you're, you're using this technology in a way to lead up into the Christmas holidays. There's lots of, there's so many easy ways right now. And it really just look, look at how your church operates and utilize the technology to, to communicate. But what you're gaining from this is, Hey, when all the eyes are on Sunday or whatever, the, you know, the 20th, the 22nd, whatever the Sundays before, or that Christmas Eve service, w w obviously the 24th on that date before all the eyes are on the high pressure situation, everyone is comfortable with the technology. They're rolling because they've done it at least once earlier in the week, if not multiple times, right?
    
  
  
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    So you're walking into that Christmas Eve service with a much higher level of confidence lead pastor is knowing, Hey, that camera's going to work. Hey, this is how I need to address the audience. This is how I handle that situation. Everybody's got a couple of repetitions they're more comfortable as opposed to if it was the first time it would be, Oh dear God. If you're out there, please, no offense on there, out there. He's out there, dear God, please let this work. Cause that's the worst thing that, that, that you want to have to happen, work with, be comfortable with it, take it public before you're really wanting to take it public. And that's going to lead us in to this. I love this. Anytime that you experiment here, evaluate, celebrate, and, iterate. Evaluate. Did it work? Did it not work?
    
  
  
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    Is this the right platform? Is it the wrong platform? Did the technology work and fail to the people, buy into it? Does it really fit into our culture with any experiment? we need to be comfortable with the idea of asking questions and by the way, we need to become comfortable with celebrating the wins as well as the losses. Hey, that that did not work. And that's not a bad thing. That's a good thing because that failure is going to take us a step closer to the next thing. That is the win it's going to help us get past this area where we potentially could be stuck. Don't get stuck there. Keep moving to the next thing. So like this, this, this, person here, this volunteer, who's doing this idea with, this interactive new thing. I don't know if it's going to work.
    
  
  
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    I don't know if the people are going to buy into it. I don't know if, Hey, you know what, it's it's, it's the first shot. Maybe that first shot is going to be horrible. Maybe that second shot will get better. Maybe the third will get better, but roll through time to really evaluate what's happening, celebrate the wins, celebrate the losses of it, and then take the time to iterate experiment. do another version of it. A revision of it changed something that you've learned from the first section into the second section and see if it gets better. That's how we grow and experiment to the point of where we eventually get to the success and the church man in the season. There's so much we can learn from this type of thing, right? What do you think?
    
  
  
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    Totally. And document, document, everything, all your evaluations, all your celebrations, all that stuff, document it so that you can know better for, Hey, so we're going to do this again, or, Hey, we're never going to do this again. And here's why, but yeah, at least need to have a good understanding of what worked and what didn't work. And then of course we, you know, we've talked about, on our podcast, the feedback sandwich, don't give the feedback sandwich of, Hey, great thing, that thing, great thing, like go through all the good document that then go through all the bad and document that and be as specific as possible. Oh, this didn't work. Why didn't it work? How could it have been better? what will you do next time if you do this et cetera, and it has to be specific, you have to ask a lot better questions and then make sure that you're not the only person who's evaluating it. And please, please, please, because we do this too often in church world. Don't accept, bro. It was awesome. Or bro, it sucks as an evaluation. No, that that's not, it, it has to be more than that. What about it was great. What about it was bad? How can we improve? We got to get better.
    
  
  
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    That's awesome. Dan Teebo is still out there. Amen. We need to learn more from our failures and so well, w one account that out. That's man, that's a serious look and Facebook profile photo over there. Yeah, it's just right, right there. By the way. I just want to give a shout out. Jamie, Robins Robinson over on Facebook. another podcast guests in recent weeks. Hey friends. Hey Jamie. that was good for the plug there. That, that was great. So the challenge really for us is, is to learn how to evaluate, celebrate, iterate, and, and document. you've been hanging around Ben stapling a lot with a laptop.
    
  
  
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    It helps no it's that, that right there, because at least for us, and it's not just in the, in the services cause we do document celebrations and things that we need to change week to week. But everything from last week, we did some grateful news for Thanksgiving. we, we need to know where we're doing well and where we're not. And the only way we can do that is by having some kind of a visible scorecard with sports, you can know where you are just by looking at the scoreboard with church, man. We're so fast Sunday to Sunday that sometimes it's easy to forget where we goofed and how we can make sure that it doesn't happen again. And I've been in on church staffs where it's like, Oh man, why are we repeating the same mistake? Well, we never stopped evaluated and then decided, okay, this is how we're going to improve to ensure that that, that we don't go back to that. So it's important to document
    
  
  
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    Recognize culture of your church is going to fight against the change. as, as a general rule, maybe your church is, is the exception to the rule. You're the needle in the haystack. But as a general rule, church is going to fight against that change. that doesn't mean you're wrong. It just means that you need to be aware that there's going to be that tension pushing against. And so take the time to evaluate, take the time to celebrate iterate document and, and grow through this. take the time to experiment that that is so key for the church today. And for our friends here, wrapping up, I'm really intrigued what a live viewer interactive service experience is. And so if, if you are watching this, let us know. and, and I, I'm really kind of, I'm curious to see how it actually goes.
    
  
  
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    The person didn't give their name, on the text. but it's, here's what, and once again, I want to salute you whoever this is because you're the volunteer who's, who's pushing the church. You're, you're the guy who's not paid, to be there. And you are, you're owning the ministry to the level that you're challenging them to do things different. by the way, staff people watching this, celebrate these people in your church, listen to them, Hort them, challenge them and let them lead your church. the, your department, your organizations, your ministries, whatever, cause these are the people that can take your organization to a place that you can't. this is another, it's a weakness of me in ministry life. I was the gatekeeper and I realized at some point that me being the gatekeeper became a lid and I needed to start to empower people like this guy, sending the text and let them be the leaders of it. And as they grew and as they expanded, you know, all the other boats Rose that I, my leadership Rose to a higher level and as a result, so much more was done for the kingdom. Not because I held the gate gate keys, but because I released them out and empowered other staff, as well as other volunteers to really one run with that. So whoever this is a mysterious texting person, thank you for what you're doing for the kingdom. Hey Rey, as we're wrapping up, any, any last thoughts?
    
  
  
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    No. keep pushing the envelope, mysterious volunteer person, as Jeff said. And then, you know, it's one of those things where don't forget, you're not going to change your church in terms of like how you come across to the internet, no matter what kind of tech you use. And so be who you are. and it's better to be who you are because that's what your people want you to be anyways. So have a great time. I hope you drop us a link man, so that we can check it out alongside you
    
  
  
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    Be a lot of fun. Definitely, definitely excited about that. Future questions. Text us here. (484) 324-8724. Hope this was helpful for you every week. I'm like, Hey, we're going to keep this, keep this one under 15 minutes. And right now we're at 25. So failure. I'm closer to success maybe one day, but right now I can't do a 15 minutes of these lives. So Hey for Rey, this is Jeff at The Church Digital and Stadia Church Planting. Thanks for hanging out with us once again on The Beta Show and we'll see you next time.
    
  
  
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                    The church has learned more about its mission and ministry this past year than it did the past decade. Church leaders have been on an incredible growth journey. And this growth was accompanied with growing pains. We had to release outdated methods and mindsets so we could receive new ones. The need to pivot was most intensely felt within church online. So below are six things I learned about church online this past year. 
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                    People are not looking for physical-only solutions. As I'm writing this post November 2020 COVID numbers continue to soar, and many are predicting a brutal COVID winter. In this season, we're seeing this even effect our churches, where just 30-40% of pre-COVID attendance has made it back to the building. Warner Brothers plan for 
    
  
  
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                    Like it or not... Church in America in recent years has been settled around experiences. Cue the haze machine! We need moving lights! Let's fix that audio mix. (I'm a Live Production guy at heart). Theaters, similarly, have based their success off of creating experiences.in their buildings. IMAX Video. Dolby Surround Sound. THX. Subwoofer attached to each chair. Theaters provide a powerful environment to show these motion pictures.
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                    People who's lives have been impacted by Christ, and who are loyal to your church, will stay involved in the building (mostly). But our ones? The people our Churches are called to reach for Christ? Simply put, are people cold to Christ (and your church) interested in coming to a building for a Sunday morning experience to learn about Christ? Are these same people interested in going to a physical building to watch a movie on Saturday night? Time will tell. How unchurched culture will recognize church buildings I believe can be foreshadowed in how culture supports movie theaters.
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                    As a church staffer, I would hate it when Christmas Day fell on Sunday. Odds are the church I worked at would feel social pressure to do a church service Christmas Day, which meant we would try to line up staff and volunteer coverage for services, separating people from their families Christmas day. All that for minimal attendance. Truth is, at least in my experiences, few people actually want to come to church Christmas Day. The call of family on the holiday is strong, especially when Christmas Eve traditionally has such a strong draw in Churches.
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                    This is the beauty of digital, though. Instead of breaking family tradition asking people to come to physical church on Christmas Day, what if we created digital content Christmas Day. I'm not even thinking a "service format." Maybe it's a video where you're reading the Christmas story, accompanied with creative elements. Or it's a 5 minute sermonette digitally distributed. Maybe it's a super-cut of all the worship songs from your December services on a YouTube playlist. A testimony video of someone who's struggled on Christmas Day... so many creative options! Notice, I'm not say "engaging" with people. I'm not sure you do chat and all that. But utilize the spiritual nature of Christmas Day to connect with people via content, and give people a clear action step to connect back with you. Find ways to work this content into people's Family Christmas Traditions.
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                    If Warner Brothers/HBO Max think people have time on Christmas Day to watch a two hour movie digitally, then you have an opportunity to connect with people digitally. Don't sleep on paid ads. Create content that truly is aimed at your institutional ones, or create shareable content that you can empower your 99 to share with their ones.
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                    Warner Brothers needed to distribute their DC Comics content. They created a digital channel several years ago called DC Universe. It was impressive (and I'm not a DC guy). Lots of assets. TV Shows. Movies. Cartoons. I tried a demo for a week. Gave up. Watched the stuff I wanted to. Rumor is, DC Universe isn't financially successful, and Warner Brothers (in addition to DC Universe) has moved their old and new content over to HBO Max.
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                    HBO Max is a relatively new player in the digital channel space. They need subscribers at their $15.99/mo rate. It makes sense (and hopefully cents) for Warner Brothers/DC and HBO Max to partner together. HBO Max needs content that will attract viewers and Warner Brothers/DC needs an audience.
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                    Who in your physical or digital community is looking for Christmas content? How can you serve them with digital Christmas content? Or even ongoing relationships centered around providing content? How can you connect with audiences you've never connected with before because they're not your audience... they're someone else's. Maybe it's not as important for us to build our audience as it is to connect and disciple people/organizations who have audiences. (Like I said, half-baked.)
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                    20 years ago, Warner Brothers defined success based on Box Office Sales. Nickels &amp;amp; Noses. 20 years ago that was the only way to succeed. Observe here, it's a business... all those nickels are still important. But the methods are changing. Instead of a centralized "one way" to measure success, an intentional strategy is needed and the metrics vary.
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    All right. Hey, we're here at The Beta Show. Episode six here, Jeff Reed with The Church Digital and Stadia Church Planting. Of course joined once again by Rey DeArmas over at Christ Fellowship Miami, Digital Pastor. Rey's promoting the shirt, getting the word out. Definitely looking good there, Rey. Any thoughts today on this beautiful Wednesday afternoon on the live stream?
    
  
  
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    I can't tell you we are doing everything we can to speed up ending 2020 Christmas gear is going up before Thanksgiving. you know, we're already doing our new year's countdown and the DeArmas household. I'm pretty sure that by Friday we'll be counting down 2021. So the future is here. My friends, we are already.
    
  
  
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    That's a beautiful thing. Listen, 2020, you know, there, there's a scary thought. I don't want to get stuck here, but what if 2020 is not the bad year would have 2020? It's just the beginning of a bad decade. I don't necessarily want to like, get a stuck on that, but it's, it's a reality of, Hey, let's really hope that that 2021, can turn the corner here for us.
    
  
  
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    Seven Years, guys, seven years for all of our eschatology folks, what is happening? What is happening?
    
  
  
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    Well-played so that, like I said, it's a completely separate conversation here. Hey, listen with the beta show, we answer your questions. Online ministry, church, online, digital church, digital expressions of church phygital church. If you're doing an online ministry, you've got questions on it. Where's your leadership getting stuck? Where are you getting stuck? We want to help answer that. Text us these questions at 4-The-Church (484) 324-8724. Literally take out your phone, text us unless you're watching on your phone and then wait until after the show and then text us your questions. (484) 324-8724. Well, this is episode six. We've been rolling through this. We haven't a lot of fun with it here in this episode. Here's the question basically, that, that we're asking, how can I help leadership see bigger, bolder ideas. And I, I hear this. This is a recurring question, at least that I'm engaging with for practical. This is the question that was texted into us. It feels like our leadership is falling in love with our old ways. It's familiar, it's easy and it's safe. How do I get my ministry leaders and leadership team on board with bigger and bolder ideas? And so there's a lot to unpack there. Rey, just kind of walking into this, man, what are you thinking about this?
    
  
  
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    I think that this is something, you know, this, this question needs to be unpacked in so many different ways because different people are asking this in different organizations, not even realizing and not giving their leadership enough credit in terms of how much they may have pivoted in 2020. Like it's really easy to just look ahead and say, man, my leadership is trying to run away from new ideas, not even realizing like how much things they may have already shifted in 2020. And so before we go back in on, on, Hey man, we want to innovate. We want to move forward. Let's take a moment. And even, and even in your own leadership, like acknowledge the changes that your leadership has been willing to make and the pivoting that they've done this year, because I guarantee you, every leader is dealing with pressure in terms of the unknown and the uncertainty that they've had to deal with 2020. So before we go criticizing our leaders, let's also celebrate the pivoting and the adjustments that they've made this year, because I guarantee you, especially for those of us that are in like an online ministry, like we're always trying to push innovation. We're always trying to push what's new, but let's also take a moment and celebrate the innovation that they've done too. Right? Jeff. I mean, let's, let's be real. It's been a year a change.
    
  
  
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    Yeah, very well said. Every playbook, every training session, every learning that your leaders understood up until March, 2020 was teaching towards a different direction. And it's all trashed at this point. Every playbook, every strategy, everything needs, needs to get revisited and people, some people are processing that well, to be honest, some people are struggling through this season. And, and so in really like this gets us here to, to 0.1 that I wanted to acknowledge here, recognize where your leadership is. That may not be hard, but then the next step of why they are there, don't just look at your leadership as saying, they're not this, but start to unpack. Why are they taking the stance, the position that, that they are. And the more that you can understand the not only the who they are, but why they are that way, it gives opportunities to engage with them, to, to try to get there. So, Ray, you know, just what experiences have you had in, in, in your ministry life where, you know, not only are you recognizing kind of like where, but, but also helping leadership understand or recognizing why the leadership is the way they are.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. You know, this kind of brings me back to an old Maxim that I had heard back in the day that when people don't know what to do, they do what they know. And when you have so much success doing something a certain way and everything has to shift, and then things just kind of come back to what we may be considering normal. Of course, it's easy to want to run back to what was, and mind you, that is not unique to church. Let me help you understand that that is not unique to our way of life or to our, to our little part of the world. That's in business, that's in so many different areas. And for some of you that's even your households, right? Like we're having a hard time navigating Thanksgiving right now with, with 2020 and with COVID because man, we want to run back to our traditional Thanksgiving, but we're recognizing we're all hurting in the sense of, but what if we can't and how can we protect the most vulnerable among us in doing that?
    
  
  
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    And so we have to recognize that, yeah, there's a lot of shifts and we have to recognize, we have to, this is going to require some open and honest conversations with leadership and just ask, okay, so you guys were used to the old way of doing this. What is it about the old way that makes it seem so successful? And it's not that I'm to win you to a new way, but you have to remember that it's all about the mission and vision of the church. It's not just about the mission and vision of online and digital. This is where the whole phygital thing comes into play. Right? Jeff, and this is where we talk about making sure that your online campus or that your online ministry isn't separate and that you're trying to go so far different from what the church as a whole is trying to do.
    
  
  
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    Things are looking nice or, Hey, like there's spelling errors on the website, you know, like, and, and you're over that, or are you making sure and coming through on some of those basic procedures before you go and bring some grandiose idea, because if you're not executing in the simple, or to put it in a spiritual way, if you're not stewarding the small, how can you be trusted with much more? Right. And so this is where we have to be careful because as innovators, sometimes many folks are trying to push what's new what's next on, on leadership. Leadership is still back here, like, all right, but man, how can I trust you with that? If we're still trying to get some of the basics now, from what they may perceive, what they may perceive as the basics and to you, especially if you're, you know, a reckless creator in the sense of man, I just want to break stuff and I want to try new things that doesn't sound as sexy to you because man, that's maintenance, but I'm talking about leading down a new front. Okay. But your leader may need you to go back and help solve some of those problems. Exactly what Jeff's talking about, solve some of those issues that they're saying, like, you may want to innovate in a specific area, but they're still trying to figure out, Hey, but we're still trying to transition people to online giving how are you helping us with that area? So I saw Jeff smile real big right there. I know I must have tweaked something in there. Go ahead.
    
  
  
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    Well, and it really does come down to understanding this is part of it, understanding where, where the leadership is, leading from the second chair. it was, was a book. I don't know, I've read a decade ago, but it talks about get the wins that you want, but to do that, you have to give the wins that your leadership wants. And so like, if, if the challenge is online giving, how can online groups reinforce online giving how streaming online, how can online discipleship reinforce this change? The way that you're, you're pitching this in such a way that it meets the needs of where leadership is, by the way, Chuck fraidy, comments in through Facebook love this modern technology thing. he says, I fully agree, meet them where they're at and how to help them move into a place of, of understanding. And, and so like, listen, I've been the guy, thanks Chuck for that.
    
  
  
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    I've been the guy over the years that just like, like with a sledgehammer, tries to bang in ideas. I'm always the bleeding edge tech guy. I'm always talking about the thing out of left field. And so lots of times people don't understand that. And there've been seasons in my life where I just keep hammering the same nail over and over again, thinking that it's going to work. And you know what, at the end of the day, it really, it doesn't, it doesn't work when you acknowledge where the people are in change the approach that way. That's where you really start to see engagement. When you talk to them, when you engage with them, it's honestly, it's the whole two way engagement thing versus a, one-way just kind of talking at them approach. Yeah.
    
  
  
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    And build on those wins. Definitely. And if you're Steve jobs, you can execute. It's okay. Hey, listen, listen to this upfront. And if you're Steve jobs, maybe this doesn't apply to you. I'm sorry. No offense. The majority of you out there are not the jobs doing this well, figuring out how to speak to leaders, figuring out where the leaders, where at their wise are doing it takes more than one person dialogue with other people on your staff. High-level volunteers, and also be willing to reshape the idea. Don't come in once again, trying to fit the square peg into the round hole, recognize it's around whole and treat it more like clay, treat the idea more like fluid to massage it, to get to where that accomplishes what the leaders are looking for and also accomplishes what you're trying to achieve through it. Find ways to work together in this, which is true. Go ahead.
    
  
  
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    Totally and completely be willing to be wrong. Once again, if you're being transparent, you're bringing other people into, into the conversations, be willing to be wrong. Maybe that square peg just does not need to fit into that round hole, but also be willing to make others the hero of the situation. and it's funny with that humility with that, that relational leadership approach. You'll find that others will get more on board with ideas in the, in the weeks and the months. And the years ahead, if all you are is the grumpy guy, who's screaming about the bleeding edge tech. You're never going to get there, but if you're part of a team that's working towards something and if you're making others the hero in that operating in humility, my gosh, you're going to see such a difference in pushing those ideas forward. Right? You had something else.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And part of making sure that you don't go wrong is this next slide right here, experiment, iterate fire the BBS before you get to the bullets, Spire the bullets before you get to the bombs, like grow that thing slowly. So often, especially in this COVID season, it's easy to look at scenarios and say, the end of the world is here. We have to pivot everything. We've got to burn our buildings. We've got to go a hundred percent digital. We've got to. And you live in this world of extremes because right now in 2020 fall, it's an extreme world that we live in. But I want to challenge you guys, pump the brakes, slow down, iterate experiment with something. Did it work? Did it not work? And what's happening is not only are you fine tuning like the idea of, of what you're trying to achieve to make sure that it'll work by iterating, by firing the Bebe's before bullets, you're building culture.
    
  
  
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    Because at the end of the day, you can have all the technology that you want. You can have all the functionality that you want, but if you don't have a church culture that supporting it, that is understanding it, that's utilizing it effectively out there with the, with the people they're engaging with, without that culture, it's your, the idea is going to die. And so by going slowly, by taking leadership, by taking your staff, by taking volunteers through these experiments and letting them speak into it by firing the BB before the bullet, you're going to find that you're changing in developing the culture as well as fine tuning.
    
  
  
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    Hey here with the beta show, we answer your questions. Phygital, digital church. If you've got questions in context of doing digital ministry or church ministry, feel free to text us those questions at (484) 324-8724. If you'd literally speak telephone alphabet that is 4-The-Church, text us those questions here with episode five here, we're going to talk about small steps towards effective digital strategy, small steps towards effective digital strategy. Here's the question texted in from, from one of you, one of the digital pastors, volunteers, whoever is out there are there practical, small improvements that will help move our digital church strategy forward heartfelt texts. There was more that was involved there. You know, talking about like operating at a minimal level, a heart of innovation coming from kind of a minimalistic approach. So love, this are the practical small improvements that will help move our church forward in the digital strategy.
    
  
  
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    So when I have these conversations and I have them all the time, by the way, if you're struggling with this, you're asking yourself this question you are by far not alone. There's tens of thousands of churches right now that are asking the same question. But for me, it really comes down to kind of these three things. These are popular questions that Rey and I get. We'll talk about here in a little bit popular church questions that we get often asked about this idea of digital ministry. Is it authentic? Can we afford it and really are we called to it? Is it authentic? Can we afford it? And our recall to it? Rey, just as we're walking into this, what are you thinking here about these three questions?
    
  
  
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    Love it. Love every second of that. So remember, we're trying to figure out small practical steps to help in digital strategy. And really, I think it comes to starting with just answering this question of, is it authentic number here? Like we're, we're not, we're not celebrating these big, massive numbers of reach the numbers that you get. It's very easy to get lost in that, but beyond even just that, that reach with these massive numbers, start to discover the names who are people that are watching and then move beyond just, just the names of the people that you're meeting. Tell me their story. Who are they? What are they looking for? What are they spiritually struggling with? You see the power of digital strategy is not really in this idea of reaching thousands and thousands of people. It really comes down to the power and the influence that we have over individuals, by the way, that's biblical. Like I don't want to get into it, open up your Bible, read John six, try to figure out how Jesus was not about reaching the masses, but instead engaged and got down to that, that individual level go on on the church. Digital there's a blog or two about that, but definitely the heart here is being authentic with people. And through that, through those relationships, doing, doing that ministry, and that's something, honestly, a lot of churches are missing today digitally,
    
  
  
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    Honestly, they're there. Once again, if you go on the church.digital and search for this, within the blogs, there are two conversations. There are two people right now that I think are doing this phenomenally. And so Patrick Holden up at nouveau church, I'll, I'll tag you in the video. Patrick is so good at this because what he's doing is even he's planting a church in Ohio, he was in Michigan, he was in another state and he, and he would go into Facebook groups, into groups that were planted in Ohio or in where he wanted to plant his church. And he just start meeting with people within the Facebook group, dialoguing with them through the Facebook group and the people that he liked. He started having a conversation with them on Facebook messenger. I'll put the links in the chat for this, but we did a podcast with him, phenomenal conversation. And it all centered around this dudes, just relationally meeting and connecting with people digitally. And through those, he's building his core team to the point that he's got 50 plus people that are now part of the core team of his church before he even physically moved into the city, that he was willing to plant his church in.
    
  
  
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    Well, you nailed it right there. Before we get to the third question is one of my favorite Ted talks. And many of you familiar with is good, fast and cheap. You can have to edit three. You can't have all three. So if you're going to have good and cheap, guess what it can't be fast. You have to make sure and plan it out. And it's something that I'm not very good at. In fact my, one of my leaders Ben Stapley kind of took us through this creative kind of exercise to find out what kind of innovator we are. And I can be a bit reckless. Sometimes I like things rushed and I want to rush towards innovation. Guess what? If you want it to be less expensive, and if you want it to be quality, but you don't got the money, then that makes, that means that you have to make sure it can take time. And you have to emphasize on making sure that you're doing things well.
    
  
  
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    Yep. Love me some Ben Stapley he's right. Yeah. Well maybe you're a little reckless. If you're a little reckless, I'm a train wreck waiting, waiting to happen. Just want to call that out. That's so good. Number three, here are we called to do this? This really is, is the question that I hear from a lot of churches and the third large question are we called to do this thing? And so it's experiences that I had. We actually had Eric Geiger on the podcast maybe a year ago. And I asked him this question like, Hey, you're a lead pastor. You have an opinion. How do I change your opinion? And Eric's response back was as lead pastor of Mariners Church out in California, one of the questions he asked back is, are there other people that feel the way that you do?
    
  
  
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    That's right. The other thing is, and I want a reference you guys should check out Craig Groeschel leadership podcast episode. They just came out this week. It's about leading up. Let me encourage you, because Craig talked about this from a perspective of when he was an under staff at a church, you have to number one, honor, your leaders. You have to honor your leaders. If they're not ready to go in a particular direction, don't shove them into it. Number two, you have to make sure that whatever it is that you're looking to do digitally plays into the mission and the vision of the church. This goes back to the number one question, don't be inauthentic. It all has to come together your leadership and you need to be so aligned in terms of how online and how your physical are relating, which is why we talk about phygital so much, it should be the same mission, the same vision.
    
  
  
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    By the way, a phygital disciple-making process. One that operates physically and digitally towards creating a disciple maker is an incredible way to reach and influence a hyper-local area like your town or like your city. Nobody has time for disciple-making. Nobody has time for these things, do it online, make it more convenient for them to go through those processes, to have that understanding and allow them to grow spiritually. So phenomenal opportunity experience regardless of where you are to be relational. It doesn't cost money. It takes time and work with who you have. Don't brag about the hundreds of people that are watching a service, celebrate the individuals that you're building relationships through the front door of the service, and really, really start to change the way your church is operating by celebrating all the wins that you're getting through these relational approach that you're taking through online. So, Hey Rey, quickly as we're wrapping up here, any closing thoughts?
    
  
  
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    No, just go reach your community, the do it together with your team. You know, don't, don't just go rogue. Like that's not the win either. Right? talk to your, talk to your pastors, talk to your leadership, become aligned first go listen to that. Craig Rochelle episode that I told you about and learn how to lead up as you go through this, and then you can start to think through, okay. So maybe it's not about the big budgets. Maybe we don't need to start a completely online campus next year, but how can we be authentic to who we are? And at the same time, reach people online, go for it.
    
  
  
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    We really don't script these things. I just want to say for the record. So we hit two or three resources today that that will put I'll go back and I'll put them into the comment sections and everywhere. Just you guys have the two podcasts and we'll hit this Craig Groeschel thing. So you'll find that in there soon. Awesome resources. Hey Rey, as always, it's great to hang out with you. Hey, church beta in this stuff, experiment with it. You know, even here talking about being relational, it's maybe take a couple people and give them the opportunity to explore, to experiment, to build relationships. Give them some, some leeway just to do it, see what happens. Staff person, if you're like Jeff, I don't have time. Two hours a week, three hours a week, figure something else out. Start to give some of your other responsibilities to volunteer. So you can go in a different direction. There's opportunities to explore at a much higher level here to do something different. So I have been called three times in this broadcast. Somebody is desperately trying to get in touch with me. So we're going to wrap right here and I'm going to figure out who's been blowing up my phone. For Rey, this is Jeff at The Church Digital and Stadia Church Planting. Awesome hanging out here with you on Beta, and we'll see you next time here at the show.
    
  
  
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                    David Kinnaman of Barna quoted the stat, and he’s way smarter than me. 30% of people will leave the church during this COVID season. Mathematically, a Christian research company is claiming your church will potentially lose 30% of your pre-COVID attendance in the coming months.
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                    Many of you are getting back to the building. Those of you who have opened, congratulations. On average, it seems that 30% of your attendance is returning to the building. Now, smaller churches (sub 100) seem to have more than 50% attendance, as I guess people feel safer coming back to the smaller building. But on average, very few larger churches are reporting attendance 50% or greater at this point. Why? For those not coming to your building, at least those that still care…  they don’t want to risk exposure.
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                    Communicate the cleanliness of the facility. Hold to high standards. Your building ministry needs to come back strong. But realize expectations. Medium to Large Churches will not see 100% attendance in 2020. So, while you’re longing to get people back to the building, realize that the 30% you’re likely to lose as a result of this COVID mess are the ones you won’t get back to the building, because they’re afraid. Rightfully so, by the way.
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                    Unfortunately, you can’t control this fear. You can tell them you hold guidelines and standards. You can tell them to wear a mask, and wash hands. You can tell them everything is under control. Reality is, people are still getting sick. And while we live in this questionable environment realize that some people don’t want to come to your building, or any building for that matter.
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                    Note: these people are not bad Christians. This has nothing to do with the Lordship of Christ in their lives. This has nothing to do with the presence of the fruits of the spirit among their relationships. This solely means that these people don’t want to risk getting sick.
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                    Church, the challenge for you is to realize that YOU STILL NEED TO BE A PHYGITAL CHURCH. You still need that digital component. I’ve seen time and time again where Churches are now putting 100% of their effort into the physical space, thinking that the effort will bring 100% of their people back into the physical space (or at least 100% of what local capacity is). Whatever the reason, it’s not happening.
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                    No matter how much hype you bring, there’s a large percentage of people that aren’t coming back to your buildings yet. Hype, in this situation, isn’t getting people into the building. Could be, actually, that the hype is misperceived as guilt for not coming back to the building, and could actually do more harm than good. If we truly want to connect with the disconnected, disengaged, disenfranchised of our church… we really should be looking at increasing our digital presence, not closing it down. Engage and build relationships through online methods, and connect them to your church’s digital presence. Your disenfranchised 30%, well, don’t think you care about them because they’re not in your building. Prove to them that you do care. Take time, energy, and resources… not to guilt them into attending physically but that you are there to serve them phygitally - either physically or digitally.
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                    Maybe, just maybe, there’s an opportunity to reimagine how you do church? Digitally and/or physically? Instead of large gatherings, maybe smaller gatherings are still a better idea to stair step people back to large gatherings? I’ve recently talked with Ed Love, Director of Multiplication for the Wesleyan Church. Even before COVID, the Wesleyan Church revisited their biblical ecclesiology… how they defined Church biblically… recognizing that some of their perceived biblical structure was actually preventing multiplication. In a recent The Church Digital Podcast Episode, Ed talks in great detail about how the Wesleyan Church redefines community to better allow for multiplication. 
    
  
  
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    All right. Welcome to Beta Show Episode 04. It's Christmas time here. Jeff here with TheChurch.Digital and Stadia Church Planting and joining me today for the show is Rey De Armas. Listen, if call, Halloween is passed, it's done. It's not even Turkey day. We don't know who the president of the United States is at least today when we're doing this broadcast. But I can tell you right now that break out your Spotify playlist, bring out the Christmas movies, put diehard on, repeat over and over again. And let's embrace this idea of a phygital Christmas here on a The Beta Show. So once again, here with the beta show, we answer your questions, the questions that you guys have in ministry. And so text us your questions. (484) 324-8724. we do this, I feel so silly wearing this hat. I don't think I could wear this hat, the entire I'm going to try to wear it the entire show.
    
  
  
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    We'll see how we get, but text us your, your questions on online ministry, church, online, phygital church, this online discipleship, whatever that is, send us those questions. We'll answer them in future episodes here of the beta show. And for today, in case you haven't noticed by my ridiculous hat or the t-shirt, you can't see, which is in fact, Darth Vader writing Santa's sleigh with the, at being the reindeer, chasing it, heading into the moonscape of the death start. Yeah, I do own that. T-shirt and I wore it for this, and honestly, I wear it regularly throughout the year. Not even during Christmas season, it's just, it's awesome. So we really want to focus on this idea of Christmas and excited to drill into it. And you know, even to just get into the holiday spirit, you may be thinking to yourself, it's beginning to look a lot like phygital Christmas, you know, you can hear that, that Christmas song, just resonating out there. I'll be home for Christmas assuming my zoom account works, you know, this may be the Christmas for you kind of doing that social distancing thing.
    
  
  
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    Sharing that same zoom account with like four or five other people. So it depends on how that's working out for you, right?
    
  
  
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    Definitely. Hey, my, one of my favorites is little drummer. Boy, you remember that time when the little drummer boy presented that gift to Jesus of high-speed internet, giving them that extra boost to allow, Oh my gosh, that, that, that that's the gift that keeps giving it even in the 2021.
    
  
  
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    And 5g in the name of Jesus, let's go.
    
  
  
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    I'm dreaming of a phygital Christmas. I mean, there's, there's so much we can really get into, but honestly I just, I, I want it all spotlights here on my friend, Rey, as he presents, it's the most stressful time of the year. Rey, are you ready for this folks
    
  
  
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    Sing along? If you know it at home, here we go. It's the most stressful time of the year. What with COVID still growing, the elections now slowing and doom seem so nice here. It's the most stressful time of the year.
    
  
  
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    Man. We are really missing out. We should be like marketing that, that, that publicly, like we get, get, get Tyler Sansom. Let's do a cover of that and put it on YouTube and like start bankrolling or something. We're not utilizing all of that.
    
  
  
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    Tyler got a million streams on Spotify. No problem. Me. Five things he's got.
    
  
  
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    Oh, so cool. Well, Hey for us here, we really wanted to dig into what Christmas looks like. Obviously Christmas is going to look different here in, in 2020. you know, Easter was a struggle. Easter was a lesson for all of us, as we wrestled with this idea of how to do Easter digital only. And so really it was like the apex. It was the peak of church online where so many people came and viewed an online service. Now here in, in December, 2020, it's it's starting to look a little different. It's not like it's all online. Some of you may be thinking physical. Some of you may be thinking digital. Some of you may be thinking phygital some of you, okay. Maybe not those of you who are up North. Some of you may be thinking outdoor venue again. I know that was kind of the go-to, during Easter, as a fallback for physical was that outdoor venue. Some of your venues, you can use a full capacity. Some, some you can't. And so it's really a mixed bag kind of heading into, 2020 until this Christmas, Christmas Eve service season Rey, any thoughts on this?
    
  
  
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    With so many different options. And, you know, we talk about this a lot at your show, on our shows, w you've got to think through strategy, you've got to think through what's your ultimate goal, and then allow, allow the strategy to meet that goal, right? Like, don't try to force back into physical just because you have the capability of reopening. I know some churches have already done that and you're hoping and praying that we can go to some semblance of last December, but as we're all already identifying for those of you have opened, you, you already recognize this and see this. It's not going to be 2019. And so we have to prepare and think through how to meet 2020 problems with 2026,
    
  
  
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    Totally, and completely, and recognize what your venues are capable of space-wise and what they're not going to be capable of. And so having a more distributed approach, either multiple days, multiple services online and in micro and watch parties. And we're going to get into all these different options here in a little bit, but it obviously is not going to be a carbon copy of what 2019 is, and we need to be comfortable with it even upfront that just like the rest of 2020 has been a messy year. I mean, look, I'm wearing a freaking hat with antlers 2020 has been messy, and it's going to continue to get messy, even heading into 21, even questions like, and I know we're all asking these questions, right? Do we do a live broadcast of Christmas Eve? Do we do a prerecorded of Christmas Eve? And, and honestly, like for me, my knee-jerk would be go with what you're comfortable with.
    
  
  
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    If you've never done a live broadcast, let's not use Christmas Eve as the opportunity to do something new. If all you do is live broadcast, then you're not comfortable necessarily with the workflow of doing the prerecorded service. So maybe evaluate if it's really worth it. I think that the big win of a Christmas, like this is to create an experience where you are able to preach to people specifically in the room, if they're in the room, and if you're doing it online, you're creating an experience where you're able to preach to people specifically online. There, there are opportunities where you can look straight into that camera when you're doing the broadcast, but when you're preaching to the room, now you're looking in different directions, connecting with people in that way. I, I see wins like that in, in this holiday season and how best you can set up that engagement, where you're creating the video content that speaks, literally speaks to the people in the room versus speaking to the people online.
    
  
  
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    That's right. And it's so important to remember that, you know, if you've determined this strategy that you continue to communicate it clearly, so don't do live broadcast for the sake of, Hey, we're going to have this up Christmas Eve night at seven o'clock, you'll be able to do it alongside with folks or whatever else don't be. So consumed by that last year. what we did is we took, here at Christ fellowship, we took our broadcast or excuse me, we took our service that was recorded at seven o'clock. And we had a team of editors that we contracted out to make sure that we could get it up online by nine o'clock. We just kept it beginning and end. And we made sure that the, that the in-between was set up in such a format so that it wouldn't look weird and require a whole lot of editing online. The big thing for us has always been the quality of mix, especially since so many of you are consumed with putting in music experiences that don't always place a wall online, right? Jeff, like we've talked about that in terms of worship online, Christmas plays off a little bit differently because families just like to get together and sing Christmas songs. And so that can work a little bit more in an online experience, but a poorly mixed online experience is a rough one, either way, whether it's Christmas or Christmas Eve or not
    
  
  
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    Definitely. And so wrestle with those ideas. And we've created a lot of content and have addressed those questions on how to do the audio mix and solve that problem. If you're still asking those questions, feel free to put it into the comment fields, you know, ask that or reach out to us at the church digital, and we can kind of help you get pointed in the right direction. But you know, more, more than you're at Christmas, Christmas carols, that's, that's a part of, of doing a Christmas Eve service or a Christmas service, but there's other things that, that start to get weird. Like how do you do a phygital candle lighting like candle? Lighting's a big part, you know, for me growing up, being in churches, you know, my Christmas Eve service had the candle lighting. And, and so, you know, you'll do that at the end.
    
  
  
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    You'd raise the light up, you'd see all the hundreds of candles across the room being lit and, and what, well, dang it, you know, like a digital service doesn't quite have that same effect or, or can it, you know, a lot of times when we're really defined the word phygital in things like this, it's, it's meant to be, maybe there's an opportunity to draw physical objects into what you're doing online. Like, I'll be honest, you're here at my desk, 24 seven, I have a fidget cube. That's what you call these things, right? And so like for me, this, even when I'm on zoom meetings or doing broadcasts, or even naturally just even as I'm talking with you, I'm interacting with this to keep me grounded, to keep me aware of what's happening physically. And so during your phygital broadcast during your sermons, maybe start to bring in outside objects that maybe somebody has within the house and use it as part of the storytelling.
    
  
  
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    So maybe you're inviting people to go get candles and even in advance, Hey, we're going to do a, a phygital candle lighting service, get your candles, bring them in. You're not seeing the massive number of people, but people even distributed digitally are, are connecting with it. Maybe there's, parts of the sermon elements where you're talking about a Christmas ornament or a Christmas gift or things that they would visit raps that they would have physically within the room that you can start to connect fidget, really this idea of what's in the physical world with what you're teaching digitally. And so it's, it's a lot of that kind of multi-sensory approach. That's really going to tie into this idea of creating a real phygital experience. Yeah.
    
  
  
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    You know, and this is difficult. This is going to be hard for so many characters, right? Because part of our metrics, when it comes to character online has been in the number of streams or the number of views that we receive on the backend. But the reality with a phygital candle lighting experience, if the people that we're going to feel most comfortable with this holiday season and coming around is our family. And some people may have larger families and other adults that they, that they grew up with. And the season, if you equip them through digital means to have a candle lighting service where they're at, and Hey, we'll provide the content. You guys provide the candles. And however many of them on the table, whether it's 12, 15, 20 in your backyard, whatever else, you know, do this along with us. And you'd be surprised at what kind of response you might get now, will it show up in the stream numbers at 12 or 15 or 20 people were there watching it?
    
  
  
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    No, but if you encourage your folks to, Hey, take a photo of it, share it on social media, encourage other folks to do the same, you know, put, put up a hashtag for it. You know, our church Christmas in whatever it is, you'd be surprised the kind of feedback that you would get for your folks because you equip them to have the service where they're at. And the other thing is, and this is always a struggle for those of us that hold those services in physical environments is that we feel like we're taking church members away from their families on those days to help enact experiences where we're at. Right. Like I know in Miami, Christmas Eve is bigger than Christmas day. And so whenever we hold the Christmas Eve service, Christmas, you know, we're taking away volunteers from family events where they could be impacting non-believers. This provides an opportunity to equip them, to go reach their non-believing friends, where they're at and to share the gospel with them, right. It, their own family event. It, it really can be a solid thing that can bring the family together instead of seeing the church as something that takes your family member away.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. The it's, it's a different strategy there, but it's this idea of we're creating this digital service as the glue to connect families together. It's not a separate event that you're bringing them to, but it's, it's a central piece essential part of what's happening through the, through the holiday, through the Christmas Eve, the Christmas day, it experienced celebration that that's happening at the house. And so in, in families, in inviting others to come together, neighbors, other, other family members, whatever social distancing allows, she huge evangelical opportunity, huge opportunity for us to reach out to our, our ones, our individual ones, and, and start to connect with them in a new way. Well, Hey, we, we reached out and so we asked some churches in some Facebook groups, Hey, what are you guys doing for Christmas? And got, got a lot of good feedback. Cause I mean, listen, 2020, if nothing else is a big giant experiment.
    
  
  
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    And so it's really interesting to see some different approaches out here. Justin Percy from connection church, Hey, so we're, we're creating a subscription box or crate to make the experience interactive for our families at home, as well as to make it easier for our people to invite friends to the boxes are printed like presence with do not open till and a QR code for the stream. You know, I love and, and you know, they're, they're there, they're up in Canada. So, you know, they're, connects this church. So they've got all sorts of cold up there. It's just, and hope you're staying warm with what you're doing. You're welcome to come down to Miami anytime you want and thought out, but love this idea. You know, I mean the subscription there's pros and cons. Yeah. It can be inward facing, but if you're communicating in advance, you know, almost looking at it like the RSVP for the seats, towards that, not making the service exclusive to only if you have the box, but as a way to once again, provide some phygital, touch points, some physical touch points that tie into the service.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. there's a couple of things, right? Like insider can actually be so much so cool that you can make a kind of FOMO to something to where even outsiders would want to be part of it and they may want a box as well. So I think if you can just then just make sure that you got your boxes ready early enough. So that for those who aren't part of the church that want to take part in this experience that may or may not be believers might want to actually get a box and that their friend can hook them up with a box. Like, man, I can't go over your house. Or maybe I don't feel comfortable with that right now, but you think I get a box from my family. Absolutely. You know, or even there's just, and we all recognize this. There's a lot of churches that aren't offering any experiences right now. And it's not that you're trying to steal sheep from one church to another, but man, if you can help out a brother in Christ in this season, just by providing a digital experience for them and their family at home, why not do it so kudos to you? Justin sounds very creative. Sounds a lot of fun.
    
  
  
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    Love, love that level. What's happening up at Connexus. Hey, we've got Nathan Martin here. We're doing a totally digital approach now. applause with that, just one sentence right there, a totally digital approach we're producing a 30 minute Christmas Eve service that will premier on Facebook and the YouTube page. We're asking our entire congregation to make sure to share the experience with someone in their life. and so very, outward-facing very, evangelic with that. We're making it clear that they should not just simply share the link to their profile, to the these people's profiles, but to share the experience with the other person. Now, what you're hearing is like a, a physical invite. Come watch this with me, that, that type of thing where it's either been doing it's happening in physical space, let me invite you over to my house. let me invite you into a watch party and do this experience, you know, through Facebook or a number of platforms that are doing it at this point.
    
  
  
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    Like I love the intentionality Nathan, towards the, towards the evangelism, towards using this digital content to connect with people through the Christmas service season to create an experience, to, to dialogue, to have conversations. And so the ability to not just create that 30 minute piece, but to also maybe have some prep questions, follow up questions, dialogue questions. Hey, so I just shared this service with my friends. What do I need to talk about afterwards? Do I, as, as the person who sharing the service with someone else, am I equipped to kind of even take that next level? Those are recent questions that I would dig into. Don't just create the experience, but help me as the person who's sharing. It helped me with some wisdom to facilitate the conversation, towards it wisdom in I'm wearing an antler hat as anyway, what do you got, Rey? What are you thinking about?
    
  
  
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    No, I think that's, I think that's great. some of the things that I know we're going to cover this in a little bit, Jeff, but even thinking through, so what, what is that next step for the person who's watching that isn't so connected to church? Right. that's, that's kind of the big thing that I was wondering is, all right, so now how do I interact with you and what is that going to mean for me as a believer as a non-believer, if I'm watching your broadcast and I've loved it, and I want to take that next step, just making sure that that's very clear that it's baked into the message that it's even baked into the hosting, ahead of time having one clear next step for the entire broadcast of, Hey, listen, this is your next step. Go to this website, you know, click on this form, fill it out, let us know that you watched it, let us know what questions you have, et cetera, but give way to get feedback from those folks.
    
  
  
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    And then encouraging those church members that are going to be sharing this to encourage others, to sh to fill out that form, like, Hey, you watched it awesome. Did you fill out the form? No meant here. Let me go ahead and send you a link, you know, following up to make sure that that's a place that next step form really it's, it's so much for those of us who do church online. It really is. It's the way that we, that people move from anonymity to being part of the church. And so they have to take that next step. So if you're designing this, you got, you know, six, seven weeks right now is the time to make sure that it's baked in as best as possible. And have it clear as day. And one, one please, one next step. Yes.
    
  
  
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    And so a lot of that really comes into like the, just the clarity of the service, where there is one thing I want these people to do and try to get that judge, that business term conversion rate, judge the successfulness off of that, that one thing, you know, I, I tell the story of Easter 2020, we're a church. That's a friend of mine had 500,000 views, online and on TV, but they only had a 11 connection card just filled out. and some of that really comes down to there's so much others going, other things going on, they didn't clear communicate the connection card, or it just got lost in the shuffle of everything else and a number of issues. But for, for y'all who are starting it in doing this out, make sure the connection card is clear, that it's very simple to fill out. It's not overly evasive and judge the successfulness of the service based on your ability to get people connected and into something else. Maybe if it's whatever that next step is for your, for your church and your engagement pathway, whatever you want to drive them to, I would suggest your Christmas Eve service for 2020 is only as successful as whatever it drives those people to at the next level.
    
  
  
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    Right? And, and then the last thing with that is being realistic about, you know, what, what the expectations are of that, you know, your church is only so large and especially during the season where so many of us are unsure as far as like, who's still part of the core of the committed the congregation and the crowd, right. And so make sure that your expectations are right for whatever that experience is going to look like and what next steps that you're communicating towards.
    
  
  
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    Definitely definitely there. Hey, so even though we're we're as late in the year as we are normally, you know, most, some churches will start talking Christmas. Like June, July, there were seasons as creative director was like, if I'm not talking about Christmas in August, there's something wrong. Well, 2020 is weird, like, and we know that coming in and I guarantee you probably weren't talking about it in August, but even as late as we are in the year, there's still time to plan and prepare for something to be done creative in this holiday season, heading into Christmas to connect with it. So take the time, talk with your teams, develop a strategy that, that envelops, I mean, all the things that we talked about, how to be, how to be, phygital, how to reach out and really utilize this as an opportunity to connect with once and create a very powerful, evangelical tool for your, your people and make sure that they understand how to do these things. So, so lots of wisdom here in this broadcast and Oh, by the way, don't forget about December 26th and 27th that literal next week, you know, I know re Christ fellowship, Miami, like you guys, aren't doing any physical services that week you're, you're shutting down and only doing online. You want to talk a little bit about that?
    
  
  
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                    When I was part of planting a church in Annapolis, MD, the lead planter and I had many, many conversations about going to where people were to share the Gospel. This meant having a presence at community events, hosting block parties in nearby neighborhoods, delivering meals (and thousands of pounds of turkeys on Thanksgiving), and having meetings in local bars. Well, more than ever, people are online and accustomed to being online. Ten years ago, YouTube had two billion total views per day. Earlier this year, YouTube was averaging one billion views just on mobile devices per day. I’m writing this at noon on a Friday. I’ve already watched two YouTube videos and my 9-year-old son is probably on his fifth. Judge my parenting however you want, but the fact remains: people are online.
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    All right. Hey, we are live here with Beta Episode 03, Beta Show. Once again, Jeff Reed here with TheChurch.Digital, Stadia Church Planting. I got Rey DeArmas jumping on here. Digital Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami, Rey. You want to say hey to somebody.
    
  
  
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    It's so varied to be with you all a special shout out to, to a Tagaloa Dova I can't even pronounce his last name, starting quarterback for the Miami dolphins. We know you're watching so glad you were born.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. To a well done, man. His stock rose quickly this week, and this is not a sport show, but when I see the dolphins, when it, when it was in a way game, too, right, it was an away game. 24 to nothing.
    
  
  
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    It was, it was our, it was against our hated rivals the jets, which has always, it was a home game whenever we can. But, God bless you. Miami Dolphins, God willing. You'll finally do something, right? We'll see.
    
  
  
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    Guess what? It's the mommy dolphins. They'll find a point at some point this year, they're going to end up making me cry. So we are not going to talk about the Miami dolphins. We've got far better things to talk about here on the beta show upfront. Remember here with the beta show. We are quite literally answering your questions on, on digital church, online church, online ministry. So if you've got questions, go ahead and text us here. (484) 324-8724. It's literally number 4the-church. If you speak telephone, alphabet, that's awesome. Text your questions for us. I just, even this morning, I had somebody contact me with this incredible question. We'll tease it maybe at the end of the show, but we're going to get into that next week. As a matter of fact, the show, last week we had a question that popped up from, from Christian here in the conference, by the way, while we're doing this, if you're on Facebook, go ahead and comment your questions, your thoughts with us here, with the magic software that we're using here, stream yard.
    
  
  
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    We're going to be able to put some of those con those comments here on the air. So go and do that. But Christian asked this great question. Can you talk about ways that your attendees can engage? That's outside, that's beyond a physical location. So we're feeling this tension. Every church across the country has we got to open up, we got to open up all these pastors are pushing towards getting back in the building, but 30% maybe are going back to the building and oftentimes it'll drop down before it drops before it goes up again. I don't know that I've heard anybody say a number over 50% right now that's attending. It's usually 30 to 40. And so how do we get that engagement to come back? As a matter of fact, another question was asked here in light of seeing churches come back with 50% attendance, is this, how can we reach new people while not in the building?
    
  
  
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    And Ken Cavenaugh continues on. I think we need more to double than double what we're currently seeing, or it'll feel discouraging to kind of come back to that, that very small building. So we're trying to figure out how do we engage with people in, in the, in the digital space when they're not in the building to get a back into the building, if we're doing kind of this, this phygital approach here. And so Rey, just kind of hearing those questions, what, what thoughts kind of come to your head? Just an intro level.
    
  
  
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    Jeff, we were talking about this before we went live. And for many of us, we're going to have to kind of scrap what we had done before, even over the last few months and kind of take a pause and kind of rethink because in many ways we're relaunching again, we're kind of going at things from a new perspective. And if the goal is engagement and not necessarily attendance, then we have to ask ourselves, well, how can we get our people involved and not necessarily just attending? And so we have to really go beyond just Sunday and think about what, what are other times, what are the opportunities for folks to engage? Because many times we're still stuck in the mode of kind of like what you mentioned, Jeff here comes Sunday. We keep thinking about that over and over and over again. If that's our thought process in terms of building followers of Jesus, then obviously we kind of got a pause and I think many of us, even prior to this broadcast would have said that, but now we've got to ask ourselves practically, okay, are our people engaged and things like small group Bible ship, or assume you bought small group Bible study.
    
  
  
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    Are they engaged in those things? Are they engaged in, in reaching their community? Are you doing anything that allows a volunteer, not staff volunteers, are you providing opportunities for them to engage their community? Whether it's massed up some kind of socially distant manner that we've got to provide more than just Sunday opportunities for folks to exercise their spiritual gifts.
    
  
  
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    I love that Rey. Man, I could listen to you talk like that all day long. Cause it, it feeds so well into what I wanted to say here, pastor, don't be upset. Your people are not in your building. Be upset. They have no spiritual purpose when they're not in your building. So much of Rey's talking about, about, about serving and, and, and being in the community, engaging with people like for me, this is the lesson of, of 2020, because the building stopped working. And when the building stopped working, we discovered honestly, and I don't mean this rudely. Many Christians didn't know what to do. Like they had so defined their Christianity by that one hour on Sunday, when that was taken a wave from them, Christians were walking around mean, without purpose, without figuring out how to exist, how to do things in that world, which, which honestly kind of brings up this, this point that I would say the goal is not the building.
    
  
  
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    It felt like in this COVID season, the goal was, Hey, let's get back to the building as quickly as possible. And even still in this covert season, churches are struggling to get back to the, to the building. It's it's not the building. It's, it's not physical. And honestly, like even as a digital guy, I'll tell you it's not digital. It's the great commission. It's Matthew 28 it's disciple-making and figure out how to do that. I would suggest physically and digitally. So as, as much as we want to, Hey, you know what? We've only got 30% attendance. It's embarrassing low in the building. I mean, even within my own family, we're having conversations. Our church is going back to the building. It's just starting to open up November 1st. You know, my wife and I having conversations. Do we trust that environment? Nothing against the church, but do we want to go back to that? And we want to hold off a little bit and wait towards later. So many people across the country are wrestling with that. And if we church are putting all our pressure on the building, but our people are not there. We're missing a great opportunity. Go ahead. Right?
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And you know, speaking of that, Jeff, like just being completely transparent as a staff, as a staff member to church. And even though I oversee our digital and church online, we, my family has not physically gone back to church as of yet, even though our church campuses have reopened. And part of the reason is because I have a lot of family with preexisting conditions. So the thought of us catching COVID and then passing it on to them and being a risk factor for them. It's not fear it's practicality for us. And so we're not there yet for right now. That's not to say we'll never be there again. That's where we're, we're not there yet for right now. And if that's me as a leader, then I can only imagine that other people don't feel that comfortable either. But then it kind of also goes back to, well, you know, beforehand, we thought that folks were really taking steps spiritually when they were in the worship center, arms raised up and singing along.
    
  
  
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    And we thought, man, that person is engaged. Well, that's one form of engagement, but that's not complete engagement. And I think that's what we're finding now, because as you said, Jeff, once we took that pro that part of church away from them now, what are the other aspects of their faith that they're practicing it and how are they growing together with the family of God? Because that's what church is supposed to be. It's a local recognition of the family of God, wherever you're at. And you know, if I couldn't meet with my parents physically right now, I wouldn't see spring part of the family either way. And so we've got to check in, we've got to see how those folks are integrating in with the fam.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And so it, as, as, as much as we want to make it about the building, let's get back to the building. We want to get more energy into the building. You got two guys here, giving coaching here, giving, giving some direction. We cannot make it about the building because people are going to be hesitant to go back to the building. And the judge, either one of our spiritual walks, forgive me, Rey, I'm going to speak for you, but I know you pretty well to judge either of our spiritual walks because we're, we're not sitting in a Pew at Sunday night at nine o'clock. That's not the right direction to go, which would lead us to number two, don't push us into a building. Don't push people to a building, take this opportunity and engagement to train them in evangelism, to train them in. Disciple-making what if we flipped the script on this whole COVID season, instead of making it the struggle to get back to the building, make it the win of where we took this opportunity of engagement, to train people on how to share Christ, to hold people accountable on sharing their faith and to do things much more towards this style of let us empower you to reach the people that are in your life, your circle of influence.
    
  
  
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    It's, it's a, it's a completely different approach, but it's one instead of being negative, because I'm not in the building, I'm taking advantage of the season where people may or may not be in the building and using engagement outside the church to do something far more healthier, I think for the church overall. Right? What are you thinking on that?
    
  
  
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    Well, I mean, you know, and there's so much truth in that Jeff and the big thing is, is that we have an opportunity to equip people to do ministry where they're at. And I think that's another thing that covert taught us was, is not so much about the church, you know, taking that away from them because then it's just a one way broadcast, right? Which is what many of us were afraid of. Oh, it's a one way broadcast. There's no interaction, there's no engagement. How are people going to be able to serve? How are people going to be able to do that? But we thought that just in context of Sundays, we weren't necessarily thinking about that in terms of how are they serving your community? How are they engaging their community? And so for many of us, maybe it's time to go back to even the Saddleback style of small groups, right?
    
  
  
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    The one, four, one, four, or the four, one, one, depending on how Steve Gladen versed it to you once upon a time where it was four weeks of Bible study, one week of get together and party and one week of serving your community. And if you've got that kind of structure as a small group, and the idea is you can spend one week inviting people who aren't Christians to come and take part in your small group and see that you guys are normal and invite them to come back for Bible study the next week. And then you spend four weeks of Bible study with them, just kind of journeying with them on a spiritual journey. And then the last week you serve your community together. That's an easy, basic structure. And what you got evangelism, you've got discipleship, you're reaching out to your neighborhoods. And at the same time, if they come to Christ, guess where they're connected at your church.
    
  
  
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    Love that because we get that. That's where, that's where we connect. That's where we win by getting people in the church. But the churches is not the Pew. Like let's not kid ourselves in 2020. The church is not that physical seats, hopefully over the past eight to 10 months here, however long COVID has been so hard for me to keep up. yeah, it's, it's, it's a thing, but listen, it feels like it, right? Here's the deal. Some of you, some of you out there, pastor, you're telling me right now, but Jeff, we're already doing this. Disciple-making we're, we're already focusing on that. I would ask, take a section here. And Rey was kind of hinting at it. Pause and ask yourself some of these questions, honestly. Is it working? Are you seeing results? Are you seeing multiplication? Are you seeing not people getting saved in a building, but were you seeing even pre COVID or mid COVID where you seeing people within your church reach out to others?
    
  
  
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    It's secure? And you know, the last big thing is, is that we need to make sure and try and keep the character body together. There's a lot of division. There's a lot of things that are, that are dividing us right now. We're being divided along all sorts of lines and all sorts of opinions. And we have to do with the best that we can to keep the family together. And so it's not that I want you to change who you are at first family, but you also got to recognize that this is a tough time to disciple your church. This really is because you've got to kind of bring up the fact that, Hey, listen, I understand that there's all sorts of reasons to divide right now. But the one thing that Jesus prayed for before he went to the cross was unity. Will you stay United with us? Will you be one with us? Whether you're Crow coming into the services or whether you're posting at home, this is a time now, more than ever for the sake of our witness to be United as one.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And so it was really, even with that unity, if we were focused in unity towards the cause of, of sharing Christ, of being serious about disciple-making and, and empowering people towards this idea of reaching their ones, what, what would unity in this season look like? You know, so often I hear I, and this is crazy to me. I don't understand 2020, because I'll talk with a pastor and I've had this conversation at least a dozen times where a past in this COVID season where a pastor tells me something to the extent of Jeff, I think my church is going to split because of masks. There is so much passion within the church centered around this idea of masks, of race, of, of political. Like a 2020 has been a very bifurcated year. Totally recognize that. But even in the context of all of these different ideas, what we really are looking at are people who are passionate about something.
    
  
  
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    And as much as we're separated right now and are not able to engage in, in physical space together, what if we, the church, what if we figured out how to redirect that passion towards masks or not masks to redirect some of the outspokenness that we have and get that directed towards helping people, evangelize, helping people understand disciple-making processes, what Matthew 28 calls us to do, and then unleashing them out church. What if the call for COVID in this season, isn't get back to the building, but it's created an army of disciple makers and unleash them to reach their people, mobilize them to go. And we've got incredible opportunities in the season. Looking at like rooted is, is a platform that exists online. Disciples made no place left. Like these are all evangelism, disciple-making disciple training systems that allow people like me, pastors, to train others on how to share their faith.
    
  
  
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    And through that process, releasing them out. What if, instead of being worried about how I get, you know, max capacity in the building and force people into a situation they may or may not be comfortable with, or even I'm trying to reach out to ones to get into the building where the ones don't necessarily want to get back to the building. What if we stopped in this season and said, Hey, let's intentionally train up our 99. Let's focus on the people, whether they're in the building or at home, and let's disciple them, let's engage with them and hold them to a higher standard so that we can now release them out. So they can be released out to reach the people that God's called them to reach.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And it creates a different sense of raising the bar, right? In terms of maturity. And it's ironic because many of us know this, somebody who comes to faith brand new is usually most excited about sharing their faith. Why is it that we try to screw up some of that by saying, well, if we want, we want to get you into our different system or try to mold you into our thing, as opposed to saying, all right, let's equip you to share your faith wherever you're at, because this is the most excited you're ever going to be about it. And the reality is is in this covert season, you have lots of people who are coming to Christ. Lots of people are coming to Christ online, digitally, or even some of them who are showing up in person as possible. So if that's the case, why not equip them with the basics of the faith, turn them around and send them right back into their workplace, send them right back into their zoom rooms, into their, their places where they have influence in saying guys, here's this Jesus that I found here is this forgiveness that I found, come with me, come and see, come and taste and see that my Lord is good.
    
  
  
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    Find all those things. That's real. Why do we want to stop all that? The answer is, is because we don't. But at the same time, we feel like we're, ill-equipped, it doesn't matter if you're going back to some of the stuff that Jeff talked about or evangelism, explosion, like go all the way back and dig up whatever evangelism training you were taught when you were a teenager and train somebody else and how to do that and figure that out. Because right now it's not about all man. We do great worship here. Oh, Hey, we got great production. Hey, we got wonderful guest services. It's not really about that right now. And it might not be about that over the next six months. So what can it be about right now? Reaching somebody for Christ.
    
  
  
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    Are they really loving their neighbor as themselves more because of it? That's what we're talking about in terms of moving them up through the pipeline, in terms of discipleship, making, not just in terms of knowledge, knowledge is great. But once again, just like we learned in scripture, knowledge can also puff up. And so we have to be careful that we're not just trying to create knowledgeable Christians, but we're trying to create people who actually practice their faith, actively loving the people that are around them, bringing them to Christ and then discipling them right after. That's the important thing, love that,
    
  
  
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    You know, it's, it's a James one 22, don't just be hearers of the word. You know, I paraphrase online. And so to save yourselves, do what it says. Once again, paraphrasing in the real world, don't just hear the word, do what it says. And so having that executed love, love that there, Hey look, we're, we do a show, a beta, and somebody called me out. They were like, well, Jeff, you're not giving us any, any practical insights on how to do this. So here's your beta moment for the show. Run some test groups through a disciple-making process. Disciples made rooted no place left alpha, even as an, as an opportunity to engage with that platform, test this out, test this out and intentional disciple making initiative, run it in small. And did it work? What do you need to improve on? Like, you can grab 30 people right now, break them up into groups, some of the leaders of your church and start to do this. Even in a, in a skunkworks, even in a small situation, experiment with it. And then, and then see where you get
    
  
  
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    Well done on the karate kid reference that. That was great. I got to tell you, I'm a little disappointed. We made it to the end of the show without working in a back to the future reference. Since today's back to the future day. When it, when in the future, I feel like we failed a little bit here in the show. We'll have to work harder on that next time. Hey, listen, we stadia. We want to help churches. Like you figure out how to develop a digital strategy, a digital strategy, one where you're creating those disciple makers and unleashing them federally and digital and physical space. if you are interested in more of these types of conversations and how we can practically help your church, check out stadia, church planning.org/phygital. Next week, we are talking about Christmas. I don't know, seriously sitting here today, August, October 21st.
    
  
  
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    I don't know that I have an answer for Christmas. We're going to work on it this week. We're going to ask around as, see what some churches are doing to figure it out. But how do you do Christmas in a phygital environment? What is that going to look like? December 23rd, 24th, 25th, 2020. It's going to be crazy. Texting your questions here too. For the church (484) 324-8724. We would love to hear your questions and one of the along this episode, but loved every second of it. I knew this was going to be a rich conversation. Rey, any closing thoughts as we're landing the plane?
    
  
  
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    Nope. Much loves you all. Don't forget. Hey, it's okay to try things. you know, we haven't mastered these things. We're, we're not in a new normal, Jeff and I talked about this. You know, there's no sense of new normal because what we're facing right now, we've not been doing long enough to be normal. And so I want to just encourage you church, pastor. It's okay to experiment right now. It's okay to try something, try and make sure that the mission stays the same, but the way that you're accomplishing that mission, keep loose hands with that.
    
  
  
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    Welcome to The Beta Show. Here we are at episode two here, kicking off a new live broadcast with The Beta Show. Jeff Reed with Stadia Church Planting and The Church Digital here joined once again by Rey DeArmas, Digital Pastor, Christ Fellowship Miami. And so looking forward to having this conversation where we are answering your questions here with The Beta Show, we're rededicating this point in time, really to answer questions in context of on line ministry. So digital church, phygital church, micro church, trying to get back into the building. Online discipleship, small groups. There's so much social media. There's so much, that's all intertwined into this. So as you have questions, we want you to text us at for the church (484) 324-8724. If you speak alphabet, a telephone alphabet, it's number four, the church texts those questions, and we'll be answering those questions in coming weeks here with The Beta Show.
    
  
  
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    Part of what we've tried to make sure and help folks understand is, Hey, listen, what happens in those cameras still matters. And this is where having alignment and strategy in terms of what happens in person and what happens online is so important because those next steps are crucial. So you don't want to abandon your online next steps, but the entire time is Jeff and I are constantly preached throughout this entire thing. And if you want go back through some of the podcast episodes, alignment of next steps and making sure what happens in physical and what happens in digital is always crucial.
    
  
  
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    Yes, love that. And in this season where we're trying to go back to their buildings, to reinitiate, to get our queen, the queen has been off the table for six months. We're trying to reactivate that queen. We've talked about that a lot here. We got to get our buildings working, but not at sacrificing what we have online because the reality here upfront let's recognize the majority of our bill of our people are not back in the building yet. Not sure what's actually happening there. I can just tell you from stories that I've heard churches across the country, they seem to start at about 30% of pre COVID numbers attending. And traditionally it drops before it comes back up. So it's not this massive throng of people trying to get back into the building. We're not seeing that for a number of reasons and even my own church, we've not reopened yet.
    
  
  
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    Yeah, definitely. And learning that lesson here mid COVID post COVID coming out of the season into whatever the next normal is. Number two, realize online compliments. It does not have to compete with physical. I know this is crazy. Just take a moment. It does not have to compete with the physical building, highlight the complimentary opportunities here. You know, so much we talk about it. It's it's that old mindset, right? Getting back to like February, 2020, where we're driven by this idea of butts in seats, and that's this the goal of what we're trying to do. It doesn't, it doesn't have to be that way. We don't have to put online service to physical service and let those compete for those butts. And if online butts gets more than physical butts, well, I've already said, butts more time in this broadcast than I'm really comfortable with.
    
  
  
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    Better. Right. And Jeff, the hard thing is, is that digital was never meant to compete with physical. I think that's where a lot of churches have that kind of misconstrued. Oh, well, people aren't showing up to our services because they're watching online. Well, they're, it's, they're still engaging with your content. The question is, are they engaging with the rest of your church? Are you helping them through your discipleship pathway? Are you helping them take next steps? And don't just talk about giving, I mean talk about like tangible things like community and serving some of those other aspects. you know, those are the things that really get people kind of queued into and glued into the life of the church. So physical and digital were never meant to compete with each other. They do compliment each other and especially in an ever changing world.
    
  
  
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    And mind you, you've heard us talk about this over and over again on this podcast, digital in many ways is the front door. It is the way that people are gonna engage. First. If I'm moving to a new city, you better believe that I'm checking you out online before I bring my family before I bring that commitment of, okay, I'm ready to bring my wife and my kids to your front door. And especially in a coven season already at Christ Fellowship, two weeks reopened. We've seen a lot of visitors and guests who've connected with us digitally first. And now that they're finally able to engage with us physically, they're starting to.
    
  
  
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    Yeah, love that. And so utilizing that digital, the strengths of digital, we'll talk more about this, but it's really this phygital approach. Stadia Church Planting. We've been, we've been really championing this idea of phygital physical and digital, utilizing the strengths, working. Don't look at it competing. Let me get to number three here. And if you thought number one was an hour, here's number three. What we don't like about online. If we're honest, we can probably say the same thing about our physical because more often than not, digital online ministry is a mirror of what happens in physical space. It's a force magnifier. And oftentimes if we say, Hey, you know what? online ministry manager, we're really just creating consumers of a product. We, as a church, we need to be more than just creating the consumer. So like I would rather dive into to the physical if maybe you're different. I don't know your church, but if you really looked at your church, maybe there's an opportunity to observe maybe some of those same consumerism practices, maybe not getting people on mission or the mobilization at your church. Maybe there's an issue at the overarching issue. It's not just the digital.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. You know, and this is a discipleship conversation. So, you know, if you have somebody come up to you and says, well, why do I have to come in person? If I can just watch it online? That right. There is a discipleship conversation because all they're concerned with is consuming content. Hey, if I can watch it at home, what's the difference between me watching it at the theater? You know, it's the same thing I can tell folks about, Hey, why should I go to an NFL game if I could just watch it at home? Why would I spend all that money if I can just watch it at home? Well, the difference is is at an NFL game. I'm not invited to take part in it with courage. I'm supposed to be an active participant in church. And I don't just mean clapping my hands and raising my hand and raising my hands during worship.
    
  
  
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    I mean, I'm supposed to be one of the players. I'm supposed to be one of the coaches I'm supposed to be involved in the game. This is the big difference between attending an event and partaking in a team, which is what I'm supposed to be as part of a church. Now of you view church as just, Hey, the people show up and then they go home. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. I agree. Online is completely competing with your physical stuff. But if you're trying to move people along a discipleship pathway, then it kind of doesn't matter how they consume the content, whether they're in person or whether they're at home so long as they are moving along your discipleship pathway. Right. If they're engaging through all the different things, if somebody is in a small group, if somebody is serving, if somebody is giving, if somebody is participating in those things, if they're serving their community through your church, then yeah. You know what? They might show up once a month, physically in person. But they're more active than a person who shows up four times on Sunday and doesn't do any of that stuff.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And what's awesome. Is Rey, I'm just learning more and more functionality here. We're actually getting comments from the outside. Let me throw some of them up here that are just vibing just with us. Like we're doing this in real time, Christian, by the way, on Facebook, isn't reopening that way and allowing people online to look into the room, essentially going back to in the building ministry is more important and more effective. This consumer mentality, isn't this what we're trying to avoid. Like Christian's making a great statement right here. Andy Hill also on Facebook, Andy says so much, my face is literally covered at this moment. Can't even see me on the broadcast. I've never looked better, Andy, you are a beautiful man wearing that hat, at the end of it here. so it's still personally online. Congregation is not just a camera in the room.
    
  
  
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    So what we're hearing from both of these guys is this idea of creating more than just a camera in the room observation, where it's not going back to the old, but it's creating this digital discipleship pathway, a physical discipleship pathway, a unified discipleship pathway engagement pathway because the end game isn't nuts and seeds or viewers on our Facebook feed. The end game truly is let's get to that disciple maker. And now let's figure out how, how to do that, utilizing the physical and the digital approach. Right? And what's, what's beautiful about this is this is exactly what we're doing through the church, digital and Stadia church planting. It's what made this question. So, so relevant. It's like, Hey, we got to talk about it because churches are struggling with this. They're struggling with that digital strategy that works with the physical strategy and how it all comes together.
    
  
  
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    And so if you're interested in more information and learning how to do this checkout Stadia church, planting.org, phygital P H Y G I T a L we are helping organizations like yours, churches like yours, learn how to take advantage of the strengths of physical, the strengths of digital and help you learn how to develop that digital strategy, that discipleship pathway, so that your church can thrive, grow and multiply looking for more opportunities. 2021 is going to be incredible year. So much exciting stuff happening, in context of how we stayed here. Yeah, we, the church digital are going to be able to help out in that, by the way, there's plenty of other beta resources @ thechurch.digital other blogs podcasts that we've done recently, we're coming up on our 100th episode. That'll be launching here of the church podcast starting next. That's publishing Monday, right around the corner.
    
  
  
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    So all sorts of great stuff coming up. I wanted to give a homage here. So, so this question was asked, I didn't know who it was. It was a phone number who was texted. I didn't have the phone number saved, had no idea who the person was. And so I just thought, man, that's a great question. When want to come back to it, let's drill into it. I scheduled it. I was like, Hey, we're going to do it. And even just last night I texted the person like at nine or 10 at night saying, Hey, just wanna let you know, we're going to answer this question by the way. Did you want to get mentioned on the podcast? No pressure, but just wanted to ask if it was okay. The person said, yes, it's Korey Deck out of grace community church up in, in New York. He's actually the guy that was our guest on the most recent podcast, episode 99, where we were talking about shepherding pastoring people digitally. So Korey, great question. It is Korey week here at The Church Digital. We are nothing but Korey, all Korey all day long. So it's going to be awesome. Hey Rey, just as we're wrapping up here, any closing thoughts on all this stuff?
    
  
  
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    Yeah. You don't have to agree with Jeff and I on any in any of this stuff. If you disagree, make sure and let us know in the comments or share with us some of your thoughts. You know, these are just some things that we're observing and that we've kind of been piping into you. And the other thing is just keep the questions coming. You know, we in no way consider ourselves experts. We are talking about this stuff because much like you, we are testing these things out in real time. We're all learning together. And that is important. The important thing is, is that we share what we are learning as well. So if you're learning something new, let us know what the church digital as well.
    
  
  
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    Awesome. Love that. Christian just asked another question. Can you talk about ways that your attendees can engage that's outside, beyond a physical building? Yes. Christian. Yes, we can. In a future episode of beta, we will tackle this when that's a great question. I'm going to make sure to save that. If you want to text me once again, text all questions to, For The Church. (484) 324-8724. See what I did there. I kind of channeled my inner DJ from way back in the nineties. Modern rock. Good times. The choice.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. Traffic was interesting, needless to say, I was kind of enjoying having like peace and quiet in my morning drive and all that is now gone. Thank you very much for that, but we don't need to talk about like Miami traffic or wherever you are traffic. We want to, we want to talk about your question. So beta, this is a new thing for us here with the church digital. And of course you had that got the podcast. We've done almost a hundred episodes with coming up on our hundredth here in a couple of weeks, but we wanted to move away from heady, theoretical philosophical conversations and try to get more practical in the midst of COVID season. Try to find some sort of practical application, even in the midst of all of this chaos. So to this end, we're doing this live stream here, beta.
    
  
  
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    Here's what we want to do. We're going to get to the topic here in a second, but moving forward, if you've got questions on, on church, online on digital, a church on online discipleship, on phygital church, on digital church, planting any of this sort of thing involving ministry in digital space, avatar space even talks to the virtual reality stuff. Hey, we want to hear those questions as my dog barks. I love Rey. I love you too. Right. And the other way, text your questions too, for the church. (484) 324-8724. I started to say good girl, Rey, but then that would just make this podcast even weirder. Hey, is it more effective to create a church service exclusive for online or to live stream a physical service? Is it more effective to create a church service exclusive for online or live stream that physical service, right? You want to take the first shot?
    
  
  
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    We're seeing people try to go back to the building, but a lot of our physical audience pre COVID is still watching online. So just keep in mind that you're going to have these mixed, these hybrid, kind of services towards that. And in our ones are people who are cold to Christ. They're not looking for that 60, 70 minute service that 40 minute sermon, if you're really true, trying to dig into evangelism, you're not, that's not the presentation that they're online, people are looking for that are cold to Christ. So create that shorter, that more succinct to environment, which is actually gonna lead us here into question number two, question number two, is it easier to get better engagement in five to 15 minute segments rather than a full 40 minutes service? So we're talking engagement two way conversations, chat, likes comments, Rey, what are you thinking off of that?
    
  
  
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    So pastor be open-handed with some of this stuff towards it, the end game for us. if we're really interested in doing online in context of reaching people with evangelism comes down to shareable content, what can you do that is going to make that bit of, of media a sermon, a worship, clip, a testimony video. What does it look like to make it shareable? Best practices would be shorter the better, or if you're doing a larger service pastor wrap up your service by physical service. So saying this was your, was this service impactful for you? Do you know somebody in your life that needs this message? Our sermon is completely on Facebook right now. Why don't you take a moment just as you're walking out to the car, share this service on Facebook with people that need to hear it, ask your 99 as the people engaged through your church to share and start to create assets and resources.
    
  
  
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    Well, I mean, the first thing I would say is that's something that's got to kiss. It. Can't just be your services. It's got to go beyond your services. You've got to serve your community and mind you, if you missed out on that opportunity during COVID, you miss out on a big opportunity, but it's not too late today. You can still get involved in some way in your community, find the needs that are going on and find ways to engage them. But the reality of it is, is that people don't care what you know, until they know what you care, right? They know they care. That's the thing that's important in your community needs to know that you sure that you care about them, that they matter to you. And then there's the age old question that many churches have asked. If your search disappeared from your community, you have to shut those doors. Would they care? What is it that you provide for them? That's what matters. And so in the same way, don't just dream of the big online space. I love what Carey Nieuwhof says. He says, nobody should out local the local church. And that should be true of your church and true of mine.
    
  
  
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    Localized in the certain areas. And I would challenge it in the season for us as church, as much as we're interested in reaching the world, let's understand that through digital, through church online, we've got an opportunity to be hypersensitive to the, to the communities around us. This is why we know this. And you talk to any online pastor. They'll tell you this people connect to community before they connect to Christ. And so even at least in online circles, and I would suggest coming out of this COVID season, I think culture is shifting more and more that way, where we're not necessarily embracing this idea of the organization of the church, as much as church, we need to allow individuals an opportunity to speak into that. And so having that happen, giving individuals an opportunity to speak that is the true engagement point where it's not a nameless organization trying to tell people how to live their life, but it's individuals telling the story of what Jesus has done for them through the Holy spirit, in their own individual life.
    
  
  
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    Ouch to the people in Cleveland that are watching this right now, I'm sorry. I'm actually going to be up up in the Ohio area here in a couple of weeks. So Phil Underwood, the pastor who asked these questions, you know, these are great questions by the way, Phil you're doing ministry in the Florida keys. So hats off to you. You are the true winner, whether or not your question got selected sitting alongside the beach and doing the work of God, Phil I'm envious of you in this season. So thanks very much for this. Remember people out there, if you've got questions, we want to answer them through shows like this. That will be better structured. And my dog, Rey Skywalker, hopefully won't be barking as much. So text those questions in 484-324-8724. It's literally alphabet on the keyboard for the church. Check that out. Hey, we've got beta as well as other free resources, of course, over@thechurch.digital. And this show beta will be seen on, I think it's on Facebook and YouTube right now. We'll get it on all the social media networks on the website. And of course on the podcast, if you're not listening to the podcast, check this out. It's got our church digital podcast, which is far more theoretical, future driven. And then of course, beta here, which gets more practical. So Hey, Rey is landing the plane quickly. Any closing thoughts?
    
  
  
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    Hey. All right. Hey, welcome to beta. We're trying something new over here at the church in digital and we're experimenting. Yeah, you can run some fun parallels. We're baiting with a show that's called, called beta. It'll make sense down the road. Just stick with us. Of course, Rey De Armas here, digital pastor over at Christ Fellowship Miami, anytime I'm going to experiment and play around with some like new technology or try to do something different, you know, I gotta bring Rey along just to kind of make fun of me as we're doing whatever we're doing over here.
    
  
  
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    It's just too easy. There's always some new technology that Jeff is really just trying to tap into. But the great thing about this is that we want to hear from people, right? I mean, that's kind of the big thing is we want to build the same community that many people are trying to build with trucks online. We want to hear it from our church, digital community, as far as some of the questions that they may have. And we felt that podcast wasn't going to do it. We felt like we had to beta. We had to try something new. Yeah,
    
  
  
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    That's exactly right. You see with, with the church digital podcast, which is coming up on our 100th episode, it's phenomenal. It's been an awesome time, but we get so heady, so theoretical. So kind of future oriented in that there's like we can't even see practical in the conversation. And so we wanted to kind of do something that was a little more grounded as well. So here's what we're doing. Texts your digital phygital church questions to this number here on this screen for the church. Don't you love this? I literally have a phone number 4THECHURCHbv, (484) 324-8724, texts, those questions, and we want to answer them. We're going to list them, catalog them, and then do beta episodes here on the channels that you're watching. And we're going to put this on YouTube, on Facebook, on Periscope, Twitter you know, wherever we can land this stuff.
    
  
  
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    And of course we're going to tie it in to the church digital podcast as well. So write that number down (484) 324-8724. Right now, go ahead and spam me. Okay. Don't spam me. Well maybe. Yeah, spam me. That's okay. Send me some messages. Send me some questions that you guys are struggling with in context of, of doing online ministry and we're going to do short, I promise you we'll do some sort of a shorter conversation here to answer those questions. So, and here we go.
    
  
  
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    Number one, and I'm doing this. Okay, look, we're just starting this. We're calling this episode zero beta double low. We're just starting this thing, right? We don't, we don't know, but here here's what I do know. Nobody's texting me this question, but I've had this question come to me. I don't know, at least a dozen times here within the past week, how do we do creative digital church services for online at the same time as doing physical services? Like, okay. Hey, great. We can do physical pre COVID. Oh wait, no physical shut down entirely. Let's do all digital. Okay. I can pour all those resources. And now hundreds of thousands of churches across America are now trying to wrestle with this idea of how do we do both at the same time? How does this even, even work? And so man, Rey, just, what do you think of this question? Have you heard, have you had people ask you this?
    
  
  
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    Yeah. And I'm more curious for a lot of characters as to how they're asking, as opposed to, how to take their physical service online, how to take their service back into the building, you know, that same experience that you're creating for your digital experience. That was kind of the way that it should have been. You know you know, everybody talks about our add culture there. The reality of it is, is that human attention span has always been about 20 minutes. I remember watching a message from Erwin McManus about 20 years ago. Now it was about 15 years ago. I'd watched him at a Saddleback worship conference and he made mention of this as it was happening to me. And this was before I had an iPhone in my pocket. He said some of the already been checked into my message right now. He's like, I work the same way I check in.
    
  
  
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    I'm here for five minutes. I check out for a few minutes. I checked back in and he's talking about this to pastors as he's preaching through this, but he was a hundred percent correct. Many people aren't watching a 40 minute experience, especially with a smartphone device in their hand and listening all the way through every detail of the pastor's message and legit like on pace with them the entire way now, is it happening to one or two people? Absolutely. But for the rest of us, we're checking in, we're checking out. And so in order to help avoid that, we kind of have to ask, okay, so we got used to recreating some of our experiences in shorter formats for an online audience who yeah. They can watch this year, but they're probably also going to go pour some cereal in a bowl, or they're going to go check on the kids to make sure that they're not killing each other or something else along those lines. And so in the same way, we have to figure out how we're going to take those experiences back into a physical environment, because especially for non-believers, I don't think they're going to be on an hour and a half to two hour services anymore.
    
  
  
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    And this is where churches were before we went back into the building in the middle of COVID mid COVID, because they were creating this monster of a thing and it was done with excellence. It was done with perfection. It was a thing to be proud of, but it utilized all the resources that were in the physical building to get there. And now, Oh my gosh, you want me to do both? How am I supposed, I need to communicate something different to the online buildings, into the physical, but I do it, but I can't do both with excellence. And by doing both, like, I don't know what to do. I need, I need the double, my teams. I need to double my staff, write me a bigger check. And you know, in this cobot season, bigger checks just don't don't seem to be common.
    
  
  
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    Yeah. You know, this kind of goes back to, if you listen to the pod, you've heard me talk about that, touch this Ted talk before, and you've probably even seen it yourself. You know, the three things that you can only have two at a three good, fast or cheap, right? Good, fast cheap. You can have two of three, you can't have three at a three. And so part of the question that I think a lot of us are asking, and maybe a lot more of your teams are probably like knocking on your lead pastor's door. Like, Hey, during COVID you were farther out with your message, like you were ready to record on Thursday. Can we get back to that? And he's thinking to himself, no, man. Now I've got those extra three days to kind of work with and play with and toy around and tinker with stuff.
    
  
  
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    I just, if there was a, if the proverbial shark tank in the Lake, he would have jumped it like, this is unbelievable. He's literally preaching while wakeboarding now let's, let's face it. And this, unfortunately there's a standard, like remember comparison is the thief of joy. We talked about that in this COVID season. And it's like, Oh, I'm a church of a thousand. I got to compete with this. I got to, I got to figure out, Hey, can you preach a sermon while actually jumping at shark tank on the wakeboard, don't do that. And so here's kind of the tension of it, where we bring this GETMO back into it. And so early on what you're talking about with life church, where they would capture the service Thursday night, now they would change the language. The host would be able to say what the host needed to say for online. The teacher was able to drill into those cameras and look at it and communicate the type of message needed. But online worship was maybe a simpler set, a smaller set that was more appropriate for the online environment, but we're doing this digitally, exclusively for the digital audience. And I personally think this is a great way to utilize the resources that your venue that your church has and find ways to make it effective.
    
  
  
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                    I think most of us can relate to the expression “traditional service” from our church experiences. Some of us might even remember the time when singing hymns followed by a 3-point message was no longer keeping people in church. At that time, the idea to add contemporary worship music along with a variety of instruments including drums, electric guitar, bass, and pretty close to a full rhythm section arose. In addition to the instruments, big projection screens were introduced for video illustrations, displaying song lyrics with animated backgrounds and more. Pastors moved away from the suit and tie and some churches slowly replaced the traditional choir with a larger group of vocalists wearing t-shirts and singing with the worship team. Ha, almost forgot, the worship team. Instead of one person leading songs, a group a people singing in harmony led the music portion of the service. With these changes, the weekend experience in churches got better. It was more engaging and as a result the church grew. Hear me when I say this, the traditional service was not a bad thing, but culture determined that we had to change. We did not change the message we shared, but rather just how we shared it.
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                    Fast forward and here we are…again. For years now, churches have been connecting with people both locally and globally via the web. Streaming the weekend services became very popular, and it has been around for a while, I mean years! But with COVID-19, something is rapidly showing and making it more evident that simply streaming your services without engagement could now be the new “Traditional Service.” Culture is once again starting to show that what they want is not to only sit and watch, but they expect a more immersive experience.
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                    By nature, as humans we long for immersive experiences. We want to be part of the things we have an interest in. We want to be the main actors and not only spectators in our experiences. Platforms like Netflix, Apple TV+, Hulu, and more offer us just that as we control the experience. But it doesn’t stop there, the next generation is becoming even more immersive with the digital experiences and gaming has shaped how they interact with each other online. More than ever, people are playing together in a global community and I have to confess that I know this from my experience in playing FIFA ’20 where I am immersed in a global community who has common interests in soccer and gaming.
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                    The church should not fall behind. People want to connect online, engage and have an experience. We have the best content to offer and the best interest at heart to connect with people, but simply streaming the services won’t do it. Engagement is required, and COVID-19 put this on a fast-track. We must be intentional about how we create online content, making sure it will drive the audience into a more immersive experience with God and each other.
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                    Meeting in person is never going to go away, and it will continue to be a very important expression of worship in churches all over the world. Make note though, it is NO LONGER the only way REAL church is happening and remember that online church has the capacity to drive community more than ever during these times. People are no longer attached to a building in order to meet and to have fellowship, so let’s take advantage of the convenience that online church is bringing to keep people connected with each other and God daily.
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                    If you are only streaming your services, maybe it is time to re-think and evaluate new ways to engage with your audience to create a more immersive experience. A place where they not only sit and watch but are actively part of REAL community that will engage kids, youth and adults while making disciples who will make disciples.
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                    That out of the way, let me give you some advice, Church Online leader, pastor, or worker:
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                    Congrats. You’re fulfilling the 
    
  
  
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                    “But,” you’ll be hearing more and more, “how can what’s ostensibly a TV broadcast be a church?”  
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                    This, or some varying form of this statement, is being uttered in every church council, boardroom, elder’s meeting, or leadership gathering 
    
  
  
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                    You, of course, believe fully in what you’re doing to engage, equip, and evangelize the world through Church Online. You know its merits. You see its potential. You’re along for the ride. 
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                    The rest of the church world may not fully be on board with you, though. Dissidents to the Church Online world may be bringing up such things as the revival of the “this is my church” mentality that comes with belonging to gyms, schools, businesses, and organizations that have purported “faith” aspects, which, to most, is a false notion.
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                    However, its adherents began to take these core principles a bit too far, go so far as to calling collections of Christians in a business environment a church. Or a gathering at a gym as a one-stop-shop for church and health (I hang my head in shame, since I was one of these gym owners). And so on.
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                    This is the same argument that is guiding much of what we’re fighting for today in the Church Online sphere.  We believe that church CAN and DOES take place online. But the traditional mentality would state that the Internet and digital expressions of church are not valid places for “church” to be happening. 
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                    Your task, then, is going to be to show your elders and colleagues HOW you’re succeeding in this (or trying to). In love, you can guide the conversation toward the truth of Christ’s church existing in a digital sphere.
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                    It’s been fascinating to observe how prevailing Church expressions have evolved, from mega-site, to multisite, and now accelerated by COVID, to microsite. Each evolution seems to branch the Church in a networked fashion. Reminds me of Jesus’ parable about the Kingdom likening it to a mustard tree. What has also been interesting is to see the various digital expressions of Online Church that seem to reflect that same evolution, from broadcast, to multicast, to…perhaps a new way to approach online ministry: micro-cast.
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                    Think of it this way, in the same way where Church has found new power in smaller more contextualized and networked expressions of church, we could also create smaller, more contextualized, and network digitally native expressions of church. Just like a missionary would evaluate and leverage the unique customs, language, and culture of a new people group or village to be reached, we could evaluate each online platform uniquely and be more effective in our Kingdom efforts.
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                    Even though we may be used to putting hodge-podge tools together, the benefit of using the native tools exclusively in each ecosystem is that follow-up is integrated and streamlined throughout the entire discipleship process. Why do I really need an email address and phone number if I have their Facebook profile and I can message and call them directly?
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                    Also missiologically, it makes sense to leverage the unique native culture and tools for the gospel where people are instead of making the people we’d like to reach adjust to what tools we’re using. Asking people on Facebook to watch on YouTube or those on YouTube to sign-up for small group on our website are both sub-optimal.
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                    That’s how Jesus came to us. Jesus also didn’t ask the woman at the well to leave her village and come to Jerusalem, He leveraged where she was and she became the evangelist to her pre-existing network.
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                    What if I could convince you that our current cultural reality is one of the best things that has ever happened to the Church, would you believe me? I know that’s a bold statement but bear with me for a moment while I give it a try. The Church at large has a bit of a well-deserved reputation for being a little late to adapt and adjust. It’s a bit like convincing your parents to try Netflix or Hulu and ditch their cable… good luck with that. Our current realities have given us an incredible opportunity to re-envision and reprioritize ministry.
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                    Not that long ago (like months, not years) many churches had little to no online presence and now these same churches and pastors have been forced out into the evil digital world they had been warning people about for years. Church staffs all over the globe are scrambling to figure out how to preach the gospel, lead people in worship, and connect online. There is however another conversation that must be had... How do we care for and reach hurting and broken people digitally? This is no easy task and probably easily avoided given that we aren’t always good at caring for people when they are right in front of us. 
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                    Back in the “old days” hurting people walked into the church building and if we created a safe enough environment they might ask for help, or at least fill out a card and let us know they needed care. Some churches across the country have returned to some, albeit modified versions, of the church gathered. Others, like us Californians, are still navigating restrictions. Either way, we aren’t in Kansas anymore and we may never return to that old way of life and church. 
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                    In the digital environment, church leaders are finding it harder to connect hurting people in their churches and community. This is especially true for congregations that didn’t already have a reputation for being warm and compassionate to begin with. People are not “reaching out” for help in the same ways. This provides an incredible opportunity for the church. Thus the church must develop a digital strategy not just to carry the message of Jesus but truly embody it into this new world.
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                    Sometimes we get so busy “doing church” that we actually forget the mission of Jesus, to bring good news through compassion and healing. Is the purpose of the local church different from Jesus’ purpose here on earth? It sometimes seems that way. Whether you are doing church online, or some sort of phygital version of church, you will need to have an online strategy for care moving forward.
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                    The question is simple, but worth sitting in and wrestling with… Did we ever really care in the first place? Before we jump into a bunch of programs and initiatives, some honest conversations must be had as leaders. Here are 3 conversations for church leaders to have prior to providing care for their new online community. 
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                    Only after these conversations can we begin to ask the questions of how. Generally speaking, people know when we really care about them or not. If we do the right things with the wrong heart and motives, like caring for people so they will continue to give, they will see right through it and dampen the message of Jesus. Jesus came to seek and save the lost (see Luke 19), not to wait for them to come back to church on Sunday.
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                    It’s been encouraging to see so many people looking to the online medium as not just a “mission field” (not just sending “digital missionaries” into the “brave new world” of digital-ness), but as a legitimate entity for full funding and staffing in our churches.
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                    But how much of that is ACTUAL change? How much of it is our own busy-ness trying to fill the gaps?
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                    And when does this season actually end?
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                    As church leaders, we’re all acutely aware of the saying, “Idle hands are the devil’s playground.” It’s why so many of us ruthlessly eliminate things like free time, family time, and rest time. We innately know (or 
  
  
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                    And the more we work, the more we’re supposed to see Jesus. The more we’re supposed to watch the Spirit at work. 
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                    But if you’re like me (and chances are good that you are), you may have reached a plateau in terms of your “seeing.” Jesus, it seems, has left you alone for a little bit. And the Holy Spirit seems to have left you a bit in the dark. 
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                    You’ve been pushing buttons and feeling like you’re dying, slowly but surely.
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                    Church leader, I ask you:
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                    Does it feel like Jesus has just NOT shown up in this season of ministry?
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                    Does it feel like you’re just pushing buttons over and over, watching numbers go down (in many cases), feeling helpless?
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                    Does it feel like this season is just bringing despair?
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                    Let me point you to one of my favorite passages in the Bible: John 11.
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                    If you read the story, in context, a friend of Jesus dies, Lazarus. And when He hears of it, He states that, “It is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it,” in verse 4.
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                    And, of course, He goes running off to the village to heal Lazarus, right? He shows up immediately to save the day with a big S on His chest?
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                    No. He stays away. For 2 more days.
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                    Wait. What? It says right there in the text that Jesus “loves” Lazarus and his crew.  
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                    But...He stays for 2 more days?! And only THEN does He come and raise Lazarus back to life?
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                    That’s not love! 
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                    This passage is used often in pastor-dom, as an illustration on how much He hates sin and death, to how He was truly trying to show His mastery over death by letting Lazarus lay dead for 4 days instead of 3, and on and on.
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                    The point I’m drawing from this one?
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                    Jesus knows our season. He knows that it feels like we’re wrapped in a season that’s never going to end.  
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                    And maybe He’s staying away, allowing you to push buttons and become more and more tired, because He’s waiting to say the same thing He said to Lazarus:
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                    Come out of the old, cold, and dead.
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                    Come out of the grave of where you were living before.
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                    Come out of the tomb full of old ideas, old constructs...old life.
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                    Come into new life.
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                    Maybe God is using this time of renewed church engagement to break apart social media algorithms and flood the Internet with messages of hope, Christ, and love.  
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                    Maybe Jesus is waiting for the grave clothes to truly be wrapped around us so that we better appreciate the churches we are a part of now...and so that we can truly appreciate the next steps we will take as Gospel carriers with that church.
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                    Maybe the Holy Spirit is going to show up in a mighty way and empower our efforts as ministers of His Gospel with renewed vigor and vision.  
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                    Maybe our loving and gracious Father is spending an extra 2 days away from us in this season so that, when He says, “Come out,” our new ministries look radically different.
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                    This season you’re in right now may seem interminable, but trust me (and trust Lazarus), Jesus will call time on this at some point, and we’ll be able to look back at the old linen strips we were wrapped in and realize that we were truly trapped in an old season.
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                    A year ago, I noticed teenagers all over town on their bikes playing something on their phones. I once stopped outside our church building to ask two teen boys if they were playing Pokemon GO and what they found there at our building. They said that they didn’t know what our building was, but there was a stop in the game. They got confused and looked up at the sign in surprise that it was a church. I was crushed. Even standing on our property next to a sign that said “church,” these teens didn’t know about our church. I had worked so hard over the last 2 years to make sure people in our community know about us, and I realized that I had so far to go.
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                    Too many churches assume people know about their church. I dare you to go to a chamber of commerce event and tell people the name of the church where you work. I guarantee that people will ask you where it is. This is why marketing is an important part of any church’s strategy. Whether you are a digital-only, phygital, or traditional church, we need people to know our churches exist so we can tell them the good news of Jesus.
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                    You’ve heard of digital ads, but the world of digital advertising can be confusing and overwhelming. Where do you start?
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                    I want to show non-specialists a framework to help cut through the confusion with digital advertising. This is for the youth pastor who has communications attached to his job description or the small church pastor who does a little of everything. I believe that a simpler approach can help break through the confusion. This framework takes a lot of the guessing out of the different ad managers that you might deal with.
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                    There are three decisions you need to make in this framework to make digital advertising less scary and more effective:
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                    Once you have your goals, audience, and content clear, then the choices in Facebook Ad Manager, YouTube pre-roll ads, etc. will become clearer. Setting up the ad will also be a lot easier.
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                    Your goal is the most important decision. People new to marketing usually start with content, but the goal should drive everything else. Your goal helps you decide on an audience and create the content for your ad campaign. In the steps below, I’ll show you how three goals help you streamline your advertising and how each goal has its own audience and content.
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   You could call this building your brand awareness, etc. The first goal that you have with advertising is to make as many people aware of your church and message as possible. You want to be top of mind for people in your target - area or audience. If people don’t know that your church and message exists, then you won’t be able to help them when they are ready.
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   You could create a piece of content every quarter just to make people aware that your church exists. I don’t believe that it should be an invitation to your church. It should be more of a statement that your church is about something. If your church does something like a major festival, Love Week, or volunteer project, then make sure people know about it. Make a video about it. Make a podcast about it. Or you could make a video letting people know that you are praying for them and rooting for them.
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                    *Out of the box idea to build awareness in your community: Set aside $600 for a six month project. Every week, buy a $25 gift card to a local restaurant and do a post to give the gift card away. Make it a simple puzzle. Anyone who comments gets entered to win a free lunch. Anyone they tag gets entered to win a free lunch. Be transparent about what you are doing. You want people to know about your church, you support these businesses, and you’d rather buy someone lunch than spend it on an ad. *Credit to Matthew Kobach (@mkobach) for the idea of a giveaway.
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   The people that you target here are really important. You want to target the people that are most likely to engage with your content: the friends of people that already like and engage your content. Most platforms give you the audience of “friends of those who like/follow you.” Those are critical. You are targeting people that likely know about you already, and you use their friend’s credibility to back up your ad. Those kinds of ads often show, “Mark Likes _______” next to your ad.
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                    We’ve invested a lot of time, energy, and money into our digital presence when we launched our church 2.5 years ago. We have consistently heard people tell us that they found and followed us online long before attending our church. Something happened on another level in March right as COVID hit.
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                    I got an email from someone in Alabama who had a family member in crisis in our town. He said, “I found you online; could you talk with my sister, Susan?” While talking with Susan, I shared the Gospel with her on the phone, and she indicated that she wanted to trust Christ. She began attending our digital service while we suspended our in-person services. Now, her life has been radically transformed. Susan has told me about areas of freedom she’s never had before. She is involved in our digital service every week, she’s in a group chat bible study with some women in our church, and she agreed this week to be the welcome host to everyone who joins our digital service.
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                    The stakes are high for our churches. Digital ads aren't about bigger churches and more fame. I believe there are more people in our communities like Susan who need to hear and experience the life-giving, world-changing good news of Jesus. Our digital ad strategy is for people like her. Those are the stakes.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    Broadcast quality and special elements are definitely part of that experience, but they are not the main thing. Instead, just like everything else in a worship service, online environments need to contribute to substance and content. It should not be a distraction. It should fit seamlessly into the whole environment of your church’s worship experience.
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                    These simple steps can create a big impact in your online weekend experiences, creating constant quality from one week to another. By keeping it simple, you will allow the focus to stay on the most important element, content. As a result, you will have a greater chance to achieve your goal of leading people to Christ, and they will grow closer to God through a service done with intentional simple elements that are delivered with excellence.
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                    At North Circle, we’ve said this phrase long before Pop-Up Church became a thing for us. And to clarify, we don’t mean “doing the Sunday church thing but just in a neighborhood.”
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                    We mean loving the people who live closest to you every single day. We mean showing up for the hard times and the fun times. We mean backyard bonfires, borrowing the pressure washer, dog-sitting, making sure all the kids get home safe, noticing someone may need help with the yard work, dropping off an extra batch of cookies, and sharing our lives with each other.
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                    That being said–when we’re in the middle of a global pandemic and our church family misses in-person connection, worshiping together, and hearing God’s Word through our leaders in a live setting–it’s time to get creative. We’ve all spent the last five months finding creative ways to continue church during the time of COVID-19, and I’m thinking that’s not going to end anytime soon. I wrote 
  
  
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  So this became our plan: to gather every Sunday morning in a different outdoor space each week for Pop-Up Church and to continue our At-Home Studies that are sent to our app/our people’s inboxes every Saturday evening for those who cannot attend in-person. We encourage our church to attend whenever and wherever they feel comfortable and give our Pop-Up hosts the resources to invite their neighbors. Each Sunday, we highlight a local non-profit organization by giving them time to share their vision before matching all financial giving from that day up to $1,000. We spend time in worship, teaching, raising/matching donations, and just being with each other for roughly 45-minutes.
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                    Obviously, it’s not all about numbers, but we’re a church plant so we tend to pay way too much attention to those. In the four weeks before our lockdown, we ministered to 66 individual people through our Sunday gatherings. In the first four weeks of Pop-Up Church, 85 people have been reached, and we have seen a 125% return ratio. This isn’t including all of the digital connections we have fostered and the individual meetings that we have continued safely–it’s important to note that not every person in our church will feel comfortable gathering anytime soon, and those completely valid concerns just mean we need to be intentional about connecting with them in other ways! God is moving in our people in the middle of an unpredictable world. There’s something miraculous about this “new way” of life we are pursuing.
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                    We want to make sure that all of our branding, hospitality, merch, and social media point first and foremost to our goal of chasing a new way of life in Jesus and being the church in our neighborhoods. We want it to be obvious for people who happen to catch us out in the wild that we are North Circle Church, and that this is our mission.
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                    I’ll use this category to rave about our host homes. The smell of newly cut grass and fresh air reminds us that people have taken great care to invite others into their space, and they’ve prepared their lawns, driveways, and front porches to accommodate this wild idea of ours. Some of these hosts consider themselves a part of North Circle, and some just love their neighbors. We’re thankful for them all. We’ve also been attuned to how our people have felt the past few months, and the choice to be outdoors rather than inside a building has been appreciated by those who feel more comfortable.
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                    We. Love. Coffee. It’s just a part of who we are. So when we determined that, in accordance with our governor’s recommendations, having our usual self-serve coffee station may not be the smartest decision, we may have panicked a little. Enter Indie Coffee Roasters, one of our favorite local shops. During lockdown, they began bottling their cold brew for their customers, and this became the perfect solution. Pre-packaged cold brew in the summer heat that supports a local business? Sign us up. Well, we already signed up. We’re doing it.
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                    HAND SANITIZER HAND SANITIZER HAND SANITIZER. We continue to support small businesses, down to the last detail. 1205 Distillery in Westfield came through with their locally-made hand sanitizer, and our health thanks them.
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                    Now is a good time to remind you of the children. Our North Circle Kids are an integral part of our neighborhoods, and we want them to feel thought of at our Pop-Ups. Our activity bags are the perfect thing to keep anyone entertained, complete with a coloring sheet of our favorite local businesses and some free Chick-Fil-A! Our host homes have also provided sidewalk chalk, basketballs, and their backyard swing sets for all the fun.
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                    If you have ever served in student ministry like I have, you know the importance of a good camp experience. The fun, the games, and the camaraderie, all make for wonderful memories. However, the liability, the accidents, and fear of something going wrong are all part of the camp experience, as well. Our student teams had all but moved completely away from camp, but COVID-19 gave every church a greater desire to connect with students through any way possible. In an effort to provide a great experience for students in the midst of a pandemic, 
  
  
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                    During the day, students were tasked with a range of activities that involved serving their communities. Partner churches were responsible for providing the experience in a safe, sanitized, and socially distanced manner. Activities included packing backpacks with supplies and food for students in need on Tuesday, creating videos to encourage orphans on Thursday, and a food drive on Friday.
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                    Students were encouraged to gather in small and large groups via zoom during the day to continue to connect with each other. Groups from our church were organized by grade level. The engagement was awesome. Students were connecting with group leaders in ways that we thought were only possible through having camp that took place in the middle of nowhere. They were discussing real life situations that were affecting their families. All the connection and personal engagement that we could hope for with camp happened through online and offline avenues.
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                    My head exploded a little bit last week as I was reading the Bible. People often are negative towards digital expressions of Church because scripture only references community as defined physically. I love, though, when scripture speaks to methods that work not only physically, but digitally. Last week an old story I was quite familiar with suddenly had new meaning in light of the digital methods we, the Church, operate in during this COVID season. So, let’s have some fun here and learn how Jesus showed us how to do ministry, digitally, almost 2,000 years before the computer was invented.
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                    Here’s the problem with being popular. People want more of it. Jesus, through his signs and miracles, was excellent at meeting people’s physical needs. This just meant that people wanted to see more of their physical needs met! The motive of the crowd here I’m not sure of. Ego? Selfishness? The followers, the consumers, were looking for more to consume. Jesus, for the first time in this story, engages. (Remember, we’re defining engagement as a two way conversation.) Jesus is asking questions. Dialogues with the people. It’s important to notice here, the audience for the most part didn’t take talking with Jesus well.
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                    Jesus didn’t water down his words. He came strong, and the people were taken aback. “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” (6:60) was the response of many of those who were following Jesus. See, people were connecting to Jesus for what Jesus could do for them. Through engagement, through conversation, we start to see people leave as they realize that this relationship would cause them to need to do things for Jesus. I love Jesus’ line in 6:61: “Does this offend you?” - No apologies. Almost like a college weed-out Introductory Class, Jesus is filtering out the crowd, in order to keep those that were really capable of being a disciple-maker.
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                    Through Church Online our Reach numbers have been astronomical. March &amp;amp; April 2020 we’ve seen borderline ridiculous numbers across the country as people connected to our church services online. We were reaching people like never before!
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                    The problem is, church, that we forgot to engage people. Challenge them. Disciple them. We celebrate the reach! But forgot that Jesus didn’t celebrate his reach… he took the opportunity to filter that reach down through his disciple making process in order to get the people capable of starting a movement.
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    Thank you very much, COVID. That long-term vision? That playbook? Your church’s strategy? It’s all trash. Every church is in startup mode, and we’re reimagining the idea of church moving forward. Reimagining is going to require some experimentation.
  
  
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    Is your church capable of experimenting? Do they have the vision? The resources? The ability to experiment. Often churches staff for the needs of today, not to experiment for tomorrow. Even in the midst of COVID, with the economical issues many churches are facing, the idea of hiring, restructuring, or restaffing is challenging to most.
  
  
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    I remember thinking, “We better get good at doing online services because we might not be able to have a normal service until June.” Those were the days! As pastors and church leaders, we all thought we would push pause for a few weeks, creatively address some key moments like Easter, Mother’s Day, and graduate commissioning, and restart all of our ministries where we left off. When we needed to get by for a few weeks, a band-aid would do. Now that we know this crisis will be measured in months and years rather than weeks, we need to think bridges, not band-aids.
  
  
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  We’ve all learned, however, that digital isn’t enough. Just as online discipleship and evangelism reaches people who will never walk through our doors, in-person ministry reaches people who will never click on our posts and pages. Right now, there’s so much we can’t do in-person. Instead of focusing on what we can’t do, however, we’ve got to open our eyes to what we can do! We can develop family discipleship resource packets for pick up, have parking lot events that go beyond drive-in worship, host community prayer walks, sidewalk chalk the gospel in high traffic areas—the list is endless. We can do this! Give your staff and volunteer leaders the parameters and release them to be creative in discipleship and evangelism.

  
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  The most difficult adjustments for our church have taken place in preschool, children’s, and student ministry. No VBS + no Sunday School + no AWANAS + no summer camps + student worship = no discipleship. But why? Isn’t the church just supplemental to the family? We believe that, right? This moment has shown us how much we (pastors, student pastors, children’s pastors, and parents) depend on church programs to disciple children. As we build our bridge, it must be a bridge that depends upon and supports discipleship centered in the home.

  
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                    There is only one Church… the Bride of Christ… Ekklesia.... Pre-COVID there were different models of church. Giga-church, Mega-church, Micro-church, House-church… these are just a few. COVID, being the accelerator that it has been, has opened the door for a number of other relevant options for the Church to grow into. Remember, all of these models are just models. Post-COVID our buildings will lose influence (if we’re honest, even before COVID the church was seeing that trend), and it’s never been a better time for digital solutions to fill in gaps at your church. Here are some different models the Church could take today to help it be more effective tomorrow.
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                    What if our church used the strength of our physical buildings, as well as, the strength of online to create disciple-makers. The endgame of our ministry is not buildings. The endgame of our ministry is not digital. The endgame is Matthew 28’s Great Commission. Our buildings, our digital strategy are means to the end, not the end. Any size church that existed pre-COVID, giga-churches all the way down to physical church plants, needs to focus on strengthening their digital approach, and integrating digital into the church strategy moving forward. 
  
  
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                    There’s a phenomenal opportunity for churches that are struggling, in the questionable economy, to pivot towards a digital model of church. Many small churches have lost their building lease in this season. Literally, churches are homeless. In addition, churches overall are struggling economically. How much do our buildings cost? What of maintenance? Staffing for building usage? Instead of forcing back into a physical model that the Church may not be able to afford, maybe there’s wisdom in developing a digital model that leans towards a disciple-making micro-location to extend the life of a church, while still helping the mission of the church within the physical community.
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                    Church planting is more necessary now than ever before. These church plants will need to look different, thanks to COVID. As a result, church plants that have yet to launch are being forced into a decision to delay launch, or launch digitally-first. While some may consider delaying launch, there’s a huge opportunity for church planters to launch digitally in this season, and utilize the digital community to meet and build the church’s core team. The endgame of a digital-only church is to eventually launch in physical space, but for today, the church’s goal is to grow in digital space. We’re seeing some phenomenal stories from church plants like 
  
  
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                    The three above models are all dependent/interact, at some level, with the Physical location. But don't sleep on Digital-Only. What if we used digital tools, not to drive people to physical locations to do church, but what if we equipped people with the power to be the Church in these digital communities. Physical church defines community based on the physical locations - typically 20 mile radius around the church. The challenge of a Digital-Only Church is one that looks at digital community as a community to reach… to create disciple-makers... and utilize digital tools and resources to establish a biblically-solid model of church. From the ground up these digital-only churches are built with multiplication in mind, centered around disciple-making techniques and mobilizing people share their faith. Digital-Only Churches like 
  
  
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                    Church, don’t wait for tomorrow. Don’t delay. Take advantage of this season. There’s new opportunities, new mission fields opening before us. This is a season of new wine. 
  
  
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                    I get it. I hear you. No one is watching your Church Online service.
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                    It’s very easy to blame COVID, even Church Online. If we really look at the trends, though, I think it’s fair to say that we were heading this direction even before COVID.
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                    Our church services, whether physical or digital, are losing their effectiveness in reaching people. A simple challenge is that, whether physical or broadcast, we the church need to get beyond the idea of content. In 2020, mid-COVID, the value of content is non-existent. 
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                    Truthfully, I’m not loyal to any of them. Okay, my kids would probably start a “Cancel Dad” campaign if I dropped Disney+, but I’m not loyal to content providers. My favorite show on Netflix is Stranger Things. It’s been 12 months since Stranger Things released a new season, and with it wanes my desire to watch anything on the Netflix platform. My family drops Hulu periodically for the same reason… content isn’t interesting to us. After an initially strong start, Prime Video is irrelevant to me. I get it essentially for free, but even the shows I’m passionate about watching (Jack Ryan, Homecoming, The Man in Highcastle) I haven’t watched newer seasons, because other content seems more interesting. Apple TV+ is probably one of the only services I don’t use in the Apple universe because the content I have seen bores me. As a consumer, I watch things worth consuming. I’m the judge, jury and literal executioner.
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                    Let’s talk practically here, and Pastor, I don’t mean to offend. There is a better preacher/communicator than you. There’s a better worship leader than you have. I guarantee someone is doing better video production. There’s always a better audio mix or a more creative service. In the world of excellence, the local church will lose the online content battle because there will always be someone better. At this point, consumers in your church (physical or online) will drift away from your church, because they’ll always go to better content to consume.
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                    I have a friend in Miami who was active in a local church, but has started attending North Point Church in Atlanta digitally. His family has been waning interest in their local church that they attended for years. COVID has opened eyes that there are other options than local. If all we are measuring the church on is content, then 
  
  
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                    Church, even in COVID we have to be more than content. When was the last time content made a difference in your life physically? What was the last show you watched any given night that changed the way you acted a month later? A week later? Or even the next day? Content alone is not the answer.
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                    Pastor, content is not the answer, digitally or physically. Online Services are not the solution to the problem. Mile wide, inch deep won’t work post-COVID. I’m not sure it was really working pre-COVID. Build relationships with people. Know people by name. Listen to their story. Help them see God’s purpose for their lives. Engagement with vulnerability will go a long way post-COVID for the Kingdom.
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                    Church, let’s win the war. Get people on-mission. Be more than content to them. Help them find God’s purpose in their lives. Get them off spiritual milk and get them on solid food. Activate them. Mobilize them. Release them. This is how the Kingdom wins. Not via content distributed to masses, but by conversations had where two or three are gathered… physically, or even digitally.
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                    One of the greatest pushbacks against church online is that an online church cannot provide authentic discipleship because it is not authentic community. Though I will save the authentic community argument for another post, I want to make the case here that you can provide authentic discipleship in an online environment. In fact, the same components that create healthy discipleship in person are the same components to create healthy disciples online. If you are struggling with the concept of discipleship in an online community or how to make disciples in your meeting time online, here are six components to help you establish a discipleship culture.
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                    Shepherding is too often reserved for pastors and not lay people. Yet, the concept of shepherding is simply to care for other believers, often those you have been entrusted to lead. Though you may not be able to hug someone online, you can still shepherd them effectively. Caring for other believers does not require to be with them in person. If someone is having financial troubles, send them some cash via Paypal or Venmo. If someone is having a difficult week, encourage them through prayer and scripture in text or messaging. If someone is facing big life decisions, provide wise counsel and fast and pray with them. 
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   to help. This also includes setting goals together (see number four) and holding each other to those goals that are being set. Use this time to ask about each other’s prayer life, their time in the word, and sin issues that can be holding someone back from an abundant life in Christ.
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                    This one may be the trickiest. Of course, you can play a song on youtube and sing together. If you are musically inclined, feel free to play and sing together. However, this could also be something as simple as asking a question like: “What is your favorite attribute of God and why?” or “Tell me something that God did in your life this past week that you are grateful for?” Any act that draws our gaze and attention toward God is worship, so be creative. Note that this comes after accountability. If someone has had a hard week with accountability, it is important to immediately draw their eyes to Jesus for hope and to prevent shame and guilt that surfaces from sin.
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  . It is the most adaptable approach to studying the Bible I know of, is obedience-driven, and is centered around a community approach rather than an individualistic approach.
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                    After reading the Bible, the most important step is to take what has been understood and apply it to our lives in specific ways. Often, we use application in abstract ways by saying, “I just want to love God more.” That’s a great desire, but that is not a goal. A goal would be to spend thirty minutes in prayer every day for the next week, or to read 1 John once a day for the next week. In my groups, I use the acronym C.O.S.T to guide us in goal setting.
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                    It is important that the leader provide a way for these goals to be made public to the group as these goals serve as a prayer guide for each other throughout the week and a chance to see how things are going as we seek to meet our spiritual goals. It is also important that the leader set goals as well and invite the group to hold him/her accountable.
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                    After setting goals and recording them, the leader ought to cast vision and commission them out into their communities. At the end of every group, we consider the Great Commission and remind each other that there is a real mission with high stakes that Jesus gave us to complete, and that is what we are being sent out to.
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                    You may notice that prayer is not one of the six components. That is on purpose. Rather than making prayer a section during the time a group has together, I recommend making prayer center to every section. How can you shepherd each other without prayer? How can you determine what goals God would have you set without prayer? How can we understand the Word without prayer? Prayer ought to be in the ebb and flow of the group meeting rather than just one section.
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                    I remember a friends’ party right around the time that I could really start to put “value” in the real world, 10 years old. The invite I was given beckoned me to a magical place, filled with unlimited tokens, amazing food, and wonder beyond my imagination. 
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                    But good ol’ Chuck? He let me down. That party was one of the worst parties I had EVER been to.
  
  
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                    With its cardboard pizzas, infested ball pits, out-of-date arcade games, and a frankly scary animatronic mouse, it was a nightmare factory for me.
  
  
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                    10,000 tickets from countless quarters spent on a disgusting excuse for a carnival game got me...2 Tootsie Rolls and 
  
  
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                    My childlike wonder was dead on arrival.
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                    And then, when I finally grew up and had kids, about 20 years later, I took them there hoping to have fun.
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                    I found the same. Exact. Thing.
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                    Same games. Same ticket-trapping machines. Literally the same show and same excuse for food and same dirty ball pit.  I could see that same joy and wonder in my own kids’ eyes ebbing away as we walked out of the lobby (which smelled remarkably like sweaty socks and regret, all rolled into one).
  
  
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                    I HATE Chuck E. Cheese. With a fiery passion.  
  
  
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                    “Good riddance.”
  
  
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                    Because it had not improved upon what could have been a great formula. It hadn’t grown with the times or done anything to expand. It rested on its laurels.
  
  
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                    And now...it’s fading.
  
  
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                    COVID-19 has become the Great Accelerant.  
  
  
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                    It’s accelerating the departure of already-bad business practices and a stubbornness to accept that the world is different. 
  
  
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                    It’s also sadly accelerating the death of churches that have refused to adapt. And that pains me to no end.
  
  
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                    “Only when the tide goes out do you discover who’s been swimming naked,” 
  
  
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                    But there is always hope in that.
  
  
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                    It’s also accelerated our plans for Church Online.  For my own church, and I’m sure many of yours as well. 
  
  
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                    Back in August of 2019, God gave us a vision of how we could start to move our current platform and presence into its next big step. Like many of you, we have been utterly convinced of the necessity of a Church Online that lives to CONNECT people to each other and to the Gospel, not just SHOW people cool videos and some rad content about Jesus.  
  
  
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                    It would involve some major shifts in programming, in service planning, in production, and in the importance of on-demand video, with a MAJOR emphasis on “passive discipleship” and connection. I had been working on this for months, but because the church is a decently large organization, it takes time to work through the conversations (and budget talks) needed.
  
  
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                    We started targeting August of 2020 to really roll out some of the major changes to our app, live platform, and more.  
  
  
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                    But COVID hit, and The Great Accelerant had other ideas. 
  
  
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                    And now, we’re rolling out big changes to everything we’re doing here, including a new TV/on-demand mindset, better gear, and a “focus” for every single thing that we’re putting out there. We’ve been able to pivot and really accelerate those plans we had put in place last year.
  
  
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                    In short, the tide went out and our swimsuit was thankfully intact.
  
  
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                    I’m a pastor, first and foremost, and so it’s tradition to end every talk or post with the same question:
  
  
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                    You are in your position for a reason. You are where you are so that you can work for the good of those that love the Lord...and those that don’t have a clue about Him yet.
  
  
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                    Take some time today and tomorrow to just pause. And listen. And pray. Don’t worry about tomorrow, since Jesus tells us that He’s got that covered.
  
  
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                    Trust that you’re accelerating into something greater right now. Something that will lead you away from fake pizzas and false senses of hope. And into something that will ultimately shine with the light of the Lord.
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    I’ve talked with hundreds of Pastors in this COVID season. Easily. Not an exaggeration. If I count emails, texts, social media, direct messages, pings… geez, may be over a thousand. Never, never, NEVER have I heard a Pastor tell me this: “Our Church is healthier because of COVID.”
  
  
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    Enter Ali Roohi, Pastor of CenterSet Church in California. In this COVID season, he’s seen online attendance drop. Most churches have, after all. At the same time, though, he’s seen Online Groups triple in size and giving increase substantially.
  
  
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    Welcoming back your folks is not going to be easy. Some have likened it to launching a campus or even planting a church. I don’t think it is gonna be that difficult, but I do acknowledge it’s not gonna be easy. That being said, with some focused coaching and increased effort, you will be able to welcome your people back to safe, spacious and sanitized services.
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                    There are also unique circumstances each of our churches face like population density, denomination differences and how your governor is feeling this morning. But I have compiled generic best practices that apply to all of us regardless of your unique circumstances. Also, you may have already reopened. Don’t worry, you can still implement the best practices below.
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                    Before we talk about creating services we need to talk about communication that will set you up for success. These three foundational communication points will ensure your people know your plan and want to actually participate in it.
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                    Survey your people. If you haven’t done this already, DO IT. It will garnish valuable and actionable information. I serve on the executive team at ​
  
  
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  ​, and we discovered a ton of useful info through our survey. The biggest discovery was our volunteers were coming back in thirds. A third would be willing to serve once we reopened, a third a couple weeks after we reopened and a third a couple months after we reopened. The discovery of a decreased volunteer base had major implications for how we planned our reopening.
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                    A survey also communicates you value the feedback of your congregation. There will always be folks that throw stones at your leadership and plans, but you minimize that group and the stones they can throw by giving them a voice into the process through a survey. Here are a couple of very practical ways to conduct the survey.
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                    You need to step up your communication game by over communicating, cluster communicating &amp;amp; deadline communicating.
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                    Over communicate by repeating your main talking points until you're sick of hearing them. Then repeat some more. Your goal should be to communicate so much that you start hearing people parrot what you've said.
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                    It can be confusing to send out updates to your staff and guests every day. Cluster communication combines your talking points, allows people to get multiple points of information at once and avoids this confusion. If you don't practice this principle, people will stop listening to your bombardment of singular communication.
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                    Even if you don't have answers or info at present, let people know when you will. This is deadline communication. You might not be able to make the call on when you are reopening right now, but at least let people know when you will. Deadline communication brings comfort and calm to wondering and worried hearts during a stressful season.
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                    Discern when God has called you to reopen and execute that. On one end of the spectrum there is Ed Young and ​
  
  
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                    So those were my tips on how to welcome back your church by creating safe, spacious &amp;amp; sanitized services. If I missed any tips let me know. I would love to hear from you and learn from you. You can ​email​ me at 
  
  
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                    Well, for the past 120+ days they’ve been stuck in their homes, of course. It’s COVID season.
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                    Let’s pause here for a second. Stop and reflect back over the past 120+ days. Evaluate here: What has the focus of your church been for the past 120+ days? Attempts to gather physically? Financial survival? Racial tensions? Political posturing? Turmoil over masks?
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                    In this COVID season, seems like most churches are stuck when it comes to evangelism. Getting people “on mission”. As COVID changes the culture around us, is it possible that today’s mid-COVID Church has become inward focused? Pre-COVID, typically our evangelism was found in our one hour on Sunday.
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                    Is this why we miss our buildings? Because of the spiritual emotionalism of our worship centers? It’s questionable whether we were seeing that method being effective pre-COVID in reaching people who were cold to Christ. Is that really going to work post-COVID? At what point are our buildings going to be effective again, for evangelism? In the new, post-COVID culture, are people cold to Christ going to want to go into a church building? If we’re honest, they really didn’t want to pre-COVID. But let’s not even make it about the Church… how long will it be before people willingly, excitedly go back to locations in general again?
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                    Church, it’s very easy for us to lose our focus. Our churches have “ones” that we are lead to reach. This pales in comparison to the Church’s potential once we understand that our people have ones, as well. Church attendance is dropping. 2020 post-COVID, 
  
  
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  . Disciple-making, evangelism training, this is the future of our churches. Once we utilize these multiplication techniques, we’ll find that our buildings are a lid to ministry. Moreover, In Twitter’s “Cancel Culture” that we find ourselves currently in, we have to recognize that it matters very little what our organizations say about ourselves. It’s far more important what others say about us. We need our people’s voice.
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                    120+ days into COVID and our churches are losing purpose. As we examine our people, we’ll probably find that they have no purpose in this COVID season either. Have we mistaken the call of the Great Commission... mistaken our purpose for disciple-making… into some call to get back into the building that (if we’re honest with ourselves) was already losing influence pre-COVID?
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                    Pastor, if we’re wanting to be effective to reach people in this next season, take time now to start training people to share their faith. Let’s equip our people to become disciple-makers. Let’s figure out how to hold them accountable to share. By the way, let’s not just start with our attenders. What if we set this standard with our own pastors and church staff, and had them set an example.
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                    Is it me, or does AirBNB’s approach kind of sound like Disciple-Making? 
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                    Pastor, don’t freak out because your people are not in your building. Freak out because your people don’t have purpose when they’re not in your building. Start there. Let’s develop a process, a system, a platform to help get them and keep them on mission. Your church, post-COVID, depends on this.
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                    Friends. What I’m going to write to you all is not original or groundbreaking. It’s not going to change the way you do Church Online, nor is it even going to bring a fresh and new understanding to how you can share the Gospel through our digital medium.
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                    No, this something I feel like you need to hear.  Because I’ve needed to hear it.
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                    We have an OBSESSION with numbers, specifically the “up and to the right” variety. We base our self-worth on them, our families and friends on them. We spend money and time and effort and sleepless nights and so much more on making sure that they’re going in the right direction.
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                    I’ve seen more discussions in Church Online Facebook groups about metrics than I can count, particularly in the last 3 months as churches adjust to the new normal of a prevalent digital existence. Antiquated methods of church attendance (the good ol’ “butts and budgets” way) are being held on to, sometimes foolishly, in an attempt to put the square peg of Church Online into the round hole of the last 2000 years of church attendance.
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                    Numbers are easily viewable in Church Online, so we’re never the wiser. Views and engagement stats are RIGHT THERE, only a click away. Barring some Excel gymnastics, it’s pretty easy to see trends, whether up and to the right, or...elsewhere. 
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                    The green arrow points up? We did a good thing!
  
  
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                    The red arrow points down? We need to change something ASAP!
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                    At least, that’s what it often feels like in our world.
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                    Here’s the thing: the numbers will crush us if we let them. The metrics we so desperately seek to master will end up mastering us.
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                    Because ministry is tough to define on the whole. We know that we’re supposed to introduce people to Jesus Christ and aid in growing that relationship. But it’s tough to nail down what a certain “win” is in some situations. Even more so in Church Online. We are all wired to see victories and to celebrate them, sometimes to even over-spiritualize them (guilty!).
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                    When the COVID-19 pandemic hit, churches were forced to pivot in a big way. We started looking for little nuggets of “wins” in there. And, for the most part, our Church Online numbers started to skyrocket. Droves of people were connecting with us on a weekly basis. 
  
  
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    There were records being set left and right.
  
  
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                    People liked us. They really, REALLY liked us.
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                    But soon, just like everything, the “new” wore off and we started to return to earth. That green arrow turned red. And our hearts started sinking.
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                    And then, when the outbreak of protests started sweeping through our world at-large, we were challenged even more to look for the good news, for something that seemed “right” to us.
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                    And we started watching the numbers with more and more angst.
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                    Some of us started taking it personally. Myself included. I took it to heart when people didn’t engage with us like they did 2 months prior, not wanting to hear any excuses about online fatigue or anything.
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                    “WHY don’t YOU see this as something life-giving and important?!”
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                    I became obsessed with making sure that arrow turned green and went up.
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                    All of my work energies became, “How can we create something that people will 
  
  
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                    All of my creative energies were focused on viewership, to the exact moment that someone turned a video off and why would that be when the quality is so good and maybe it’s just the music or the lower-third, and on. And on.
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                    I forgot the mission of the church and instead started chasing numbers.
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                    And we all know where that leads. 
  
  
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                    Please, hear me when I say this:
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                    Don’t be obsessed with metrics. Don’t be obsessed with making Church Online a numbers game. Don’t go chasing waterfalls...oh, right, wrong article.
  
  
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                    Don’t chase the dragon of popularity and views and better production, because it’s all meaningless. And it may actually be getting in the way of something Greater.
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  . To know Jesus, to walk with Him, and to introduce others to Him. To take His name to all nations.
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                    And now, more than ever, we need courageous leaders with a single-minded, merciless focus on connecting people to Christ by 
  
  
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                    Let’s let this time of pandemic and protest be a time of renewal and refreshment in our ministry ideas. Let’s gather together and be unified in our message of grace, mercy, love, and Jesus, all through the context of Church Online.
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    We’re 100+ days into this COVID thing. Our buildings aren’t getting much usage. In some areas (like where I am in Florida) we’re actually worse now than ever. In that same vein, I had a pastor tell me recently, “Jeff, we really can’t pause the ministry of the Church any longer. We’ve been in slow motion since COVID started, and we’ve got to ramp up again.”
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                    I love the idea of the Church doing ministry in this season, and while the perceived technological limitations of Church in COVID season may be limiting us, what it’s actually doing is giving us… the Church… a prime opportunity to work on what’s next: Church As Platform.
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                    The fourth in a series of, well, intentional podcasts meant to help you reshape your view of Church. Jeff and Rey bring in Doug Parks, Co-Author of Intentional Churches and Executive Pastor of Canyon Ridge in Las Vegas. Topic?
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                    Uber owns no taxi’s, yet revolutionized ride-sharing. AirBNB owns no property, yet is going toe-to-toe with hotels around the world? Why? Because these businesses learned that property is a lid of growth… they lifted the lid by giving the business to the people.
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                    Church, what if we gave the church's ministry exclusively to the people? This is the conversation we’re beginning here, on The Church Digital Podcast.
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                    If you're enjoying this episode, subscribe for free using your favorite podcast app below:
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                    What does the future hold for Virtual Reality?... for Artificial Intelligence? Talk to the business world and they're chomping at the bit to take advantage of disruptions like these. But what of the church world? As a general rule, we're more skeptical of these innovations.
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                    In March, April, and May, our church staff braced for a wave of Covid-19 cases to sweep through our church family. It never happened. In fact, for the first three months of the Covid-19 outbreak, our church family of about 1500 only experienced a handful of coronavirus cases. As far as we know, none of those cases were spread at one of our events. Two weeks ago, that all changed.
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                    Like most churches, we moved to an online-only format in March, but as soon as our governor and state department of health gave us the green light, we started meeting in socially distanced services. A few weeks into those services, we had a coronavirus scare, but it was short-lived and impotent. One of our staff members was exposed to someone who later tested positive for Covid-19, and our entire staff was with the exposed staff member in a two-hour staff meeting a few days later. The exposed staff member tested positive so we had the rest of our staff tested. Everyone else tested negative. No one, including the one staff member who tested positive, showed any symptoms.
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                    We breathed a collective sigh of relief, and many of us, including myself, came away from that experience more convinced than before that the only real threat we faced from Covid-19 was the threat of our services being shut down again.
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                    Then it happened. The first phone call came on a Friday from a staff member. “Bad news. I’ve got a fever, body aches, and 6 out of the 11 symptoms on the CDC’s checklist.” The next week was filled with phone calls and text messages about symptoms and tests and who had been exposed to who. By midweek, we learned that the virus, which would eventually work its way through about half of our staff, had spread to some of our volunteers.
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                    Almost two weeks after that first phone call, we are still waiting to find the end of the virus’ spread among our church family. This has been extremely challenging as a pastor and leader, and I hope I can share my experience with others who might learn from our mistakes dealing with Covid-19. Here are five lessons I learned.
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                    While I’m not going to get into the debate about the national and international second wave of Covid-19 cases, the second wave is real for our church family. In fact, this is really the first wave. We didn’t see anything like this in March, April, and May, but what we are watching now can only be described as a wave of infections spreading through our church.
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                    One week from the time I received the first phone call reporting symptoms, we were aware of more than a dozen people showing symptoms. What was even more shocking was that we could track four generations of transmission from the original person. We are two weeks in, and the numbers are growing at a faster rate now than they were last week.
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                    Like most churches and organizations, we had been following the recommended steps of isolation, testing, and notifying those who have been in contact with anyone who tests positive. We’ve learned that the tests take too long, and false positives are possible along with false negatives. We’ve experienced both. We’ve also learned that most Covid-19 cases mimic other common illnesses and even allergies in the early stages. The phrase, “I thought it was just allergies” has been heard all too often among our staff in the past two weeks.
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                    At first, we followed the health department guideline of quarantining anyone who had been within 6 feet for more than 15 minutes of someone who is showing symptoms. Now, we quarantine anyone who even walked by the same building as someone with symptoms. If we had acted quickly to quarantine the entire staff, we would have cut our church-wide cases by at least 50%.
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:28:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    As reports show COVID-19 is spiking, churches are starting to engage more and more with the idea of micro-locations as a short-term solution. It's important to notice that even with the idea of micro-locations, there's different ways these locations can look. The main difference really lies in the expectations of the volunteer leader.
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                    The two extremes are basically the "Watch Party" and the "House Church"... two extremes that show what a distributed model of smaller churches can look like. Whether micro-locations fill a short-term need or solve a long-term problem makes a huge difference, and churches that are wrestling with how to implement micro-locations need to listen here as we wrestle with the different flavors of micro-locations.
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                    "Hey Jeff, what camera are you using?" To be honest, it’s humbling the amount of times I get asked this question. Even pre-COVID I started assembling a video conferencing rig that can not only handle the 6-8 hours a day I spend on Zoom, but also handle the podcasts, livestreams, VLOGs, webinars, and Online Conferences I’ve been doing. So I set out to use gear I already had, as well as supplement with some new gear.
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                    For me, it was very important to have all of this built into my desk. I didn’t want to have to have a tripod sitting in the middle of the room, nor did I want to run any cables last minute. It needed to be clean, functional, and usable at any point throughout the day. My office is about a 5’x5’ section of my Guest Bedroom, so I don’t need messy gear or cabling laying around. It needs to function within a tight space, and be self-contained… not to mention look good and sound good. Those were the parameters.
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                    First thing you need is a DSLR Camera that provides Clean HDMI out, meaning that the output of the HDMI cable had OSD (on-screen display) on. Most cameras today have this solution in place. The camera I owned pre-COVID did not. Thus the reason I upgraded. I went with Sony A6600. Love it. Autofocus on this is excellent, and keeps with me even if I move towards or away from the camera. The only negative (as I can tell) is that the autofocus is a little noisy (lots of clicking). My microphone does not pick up the clicking, so it’s only a minor annoyance in my office. (My laptop fan is more noticeable than the lens autofocusing). Sony is on the pricey side. I’ve had others suggest the Canon M50 as well, which is a more budget friendly solution.
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                    The lens, for me, is really the best part of the rig. Sigma Art 18-35mm lens, with a very low Fstop (1.8). The lower the Fstop, the blurrier the background image is behind the person. When looking at my background, people often think it’s a computer-simulated virtual background because the lens effectively blurs the background so well. Yay depth of field! Ironically, the background/bookshelf is about 4 feet away from me when taping… so the lens blurs quickly. (Note: if you’re upgrading lens, make sure you buy the right lens (Canon, Nikon, etc… or buy the right adapter so the lens works with your camera make).
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                    I actually was a Radio DJ for a while back in the 90s, so I feel at home with the rig I have now. When I first started, I used the Jabra Run for bluetooth headphones, then upgraded to Apple AirPods (v1 and v2). AirPods were better than the Jabra Run, but both were not that great on the audio side.
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                    The Blue Yeti USB microphone was a huge step up from the bluetooth headphones. I was very happy with that microphone, but eventually desired something that was crisper, more treble. Which brought me to the Shure SM7B.
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                    I loved the SM7B. It records my audio extremely well. Complete with the Heil PL2T boom arm, I can move the microphone off to the side, out of the way very easily. Microphone is off the desk, keeping the desk clean.
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                    Video and Audio processing is important. For starters, I decided to run everything through a video switcher. Blackmagic Design makes a desktop video switcher (Atem Mini) that allows me to run four HDMI inputs into the computer, and can output either HDMI (for video displays or recording), or USB webcam (hooked up to primary computer for Zoom, Skype, Gotomeeting, etc). I've never experienced this before. The video switcher essentially outputs video over USB in a format that the computer can read. Blown away. Zoom treats the video switcher just like it would any other USB Webcam. This alone made the Blackmagic Atem Mini worthwhile. (There are many other features worthwhile as well).
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                    For me, my Sony A6600, an AppleTV (to AirPlay from an iPad or iPhone), and a spare HDMI cable for another laptop run are my video inputs on the Atem Mini, and with a simple push of a button on the physical switcher I can switch between video inputs.
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                    Blackmagic does have a “Blackmagic Atem Mini Pro” for twice the cost of the Mini. This may be of value to you. I prefer, and have more stability, around Living As One’s Ray. For me, the streaming capacity of the Mini Pro isn’t as much of a help as the stability of the Ray, which is why I depend on the Ray for the majority of my live streaming… LA1’s recent addition of SimLive is phenomenal.
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                    My “luxury” item is a Blackmagic Video Assist, a 5” video monitor where I can see what I’m either broadcasting from the camera, or from the video switcher. It has both SDI &amp;amp; HDMI inputs &amp;amp; outputs… as of right now I have it getting not only the video switcher feed via SDI, but also connected via HDMI so it operates as a second monitor… Conveniently, placed under the camera lens, I’ll often put the Zoom speaker view on this 5” Video Assist/Second Computer Monitor, which means when I’m staring at the person speaking on Zoom I’m actually staring right at the camera lens.
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                    Ultimately, for ease, make sure you have the same color temperature across all light fixtures (including ceiling fixtures), and then set your camera to the same expectation.
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                    I've used several different lighting over the years, most recently utilizing two of the Elgato Key Light Air, installing them onto the desk and tying the functionality into the Elgato Streamdeck. The Key Light Air are larger than my older Lume Cube, and are softer light/less harsh than the Lume Cube. I am able to position the Key Light higher on my desk, angle the lights down, and get the key light out of my eyeline. I have no problems working with the key lights on, and find myself using the key lights as my main lighting for typical office work. This was a huge increase over the more portable Lume Cube.
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                    Ambient lighting is helpful. The darker the room is, the better the front lighting operates. When I record at my desk, I want the room lights dimmer, but when I’m working at my desk I want the Lume Cubes off and work with the ceiling lights on. To get this variance, in a room where I didn’t have dimmers already run, I installed Philips Hue bulbs in the ceiling fan.
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                    As I said above, it was a high value that I have this gear set up and operational at any time, and I set out to install my rig on my desk. To that end, I had seen the below YouTube video, and decided the use of their VESA Monitor arms was a cool idea to mount the cameras to my desk. Unfortunately, my desk is glass, and the wood frame was too big for the VESA clamps. The VESA idea ended up working for me, but I mounted the mail pole horizontally from the leg of the desk instead of vertically, and it ended up working for me.
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                    I’ve been gardening for 9 years, and every year our garden grows bigger. This pandemic year meant we spent even more time in our garden, and my wife harvested a child’s wagon full of vegetables just this evening. My wife and I host a podcast where we talk about our garden week-by-week this year. That podcast and COVID-19 have given me the chance to think hard about lessons from my garden and how that applies to ministry in our current context. Here are 3 things I’m thinking about regarding gardening and ministry:
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                    Some things in ministry are a slow process. They take preparation long in advance. “Sunday’s always coming” tends to be my attitude, but some things need more time to marinate. It is really easy in this current season to be rushing from one thing to the next and just try to get through the week or through the next milestone, but we should stop to think about what the “soil” of our ministry is that will help us grow.
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                    For me, personal growth is some of the “soil” that needs work now. I’m coming off a hard year. People, conflict, and leadership challenges combined with a breakneck pace left me destroyed. Something that alarmed me 
  
  
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                    In years past, I farmed like an industrial farmer. I planted once, and then hoped that the success of the garden would last me all year. This year, I plan to plant more seeds every week. I ask every weekend, ”What can I plant?” I have to plan to plant or I can easily ignore it and think that this isn’t the time. I’ve learned that what doesn’t get planted doesn’t grow. So I focus on how and when to plant more.
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                    One of my priorities this year has been to use whatever space and time that I have to grow more things. Whenever I have an open space, it is easy to plant more fast growing vegetables like lettuce, arugula, peas, or beans. Right now, I’m preparing to plant Brussels Sprouts and spinach because they prefer summer-to-fall weather.
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                    The reality is that every seed doesn’t grow. I often plant two seeds in one hole just in case. With things like carrots and mesclun mix, I cannot predict which seeds will grow and which will never germinate. So to make up for that, I keep planting.
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                    Jesus talked about planting seeds in the parable of the sower in Luke 8. The reality of our job in ministry is that we don’t know which seeds will grow. We don’t know who and when someone will take their next step of growth with Jesus. Our job is not to figure out how to engineer growth in a few people. Our job is to sow seeds and watch to see the results.
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                    In a phygital church world, I want to apply this to digital ad campaigns. For me, digital ad campaigns are like a modern day sowing of seed. We don’t know who is out there that needs to hear our message of hope and freedom, so we’re going to spread it far and wide. It is too easy for me to get bogged down into getting the ad campaign right and targeting correctly, but maybe targeting incorrectly is the seed that needs to be sown. Instead of targeting a few people perfectly, maybe we want to target all of the people around us imperfectly because we don’t know who is ready to hear the good news of Jesus.
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                    A woman in our community came to Christ recently beginning with our church’s digital presence. One of her family members, living out of state, looked to find a church in our area. He connected with us digitally and then connected us with her physically, giving me the chance to share the gospel with her, and walk with her as she responded. That story is the result of us digitally sowing seed over a period of years. We didn’t know which seeds would pay off. So we kept scattering.
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                    A couple of years ago, I taught my kids some science for their school and felt like I saw with new eyes the energy systems that turn sunlight into stored energy in the plants. When I walk through our garden now, I marvel at how they are turning beams from a distant star into structures that we can use and eat. I pay attention to when each part of my yard gets sun in the morning and when the they are in the shade in the afternoon or evening. When we have too many overcast days, I begin to worry about the health of the plants because they need sunlight to grow and develop. I think about how too much sun can cause some plants to grow too fast and turn bitter so maybe we need to set up shade cloth.
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                    I’m writing this for ministry leaders, but we easily forget that ministry is a spiritual work. We easily have plans and methods and systems and strategies, but all growth is from God. 1 Corinthians 3:6-7 blatantly says this same thing, “I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth” (ESV).
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                    Just as the sun is the big deal in plant growth, the Spirit’s work is the big deal in our church growth. Do we do phygital church like it is a spiritual work? Do we do all the important work that needs to be done while keeping in mind that we desperately need the face of God to shine on us and our communities?
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                    I want to be aware in my own ministry that I need the face and work of God in my life and ministry, just like my garden needs the sun.
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                    Let’s take a journey together. A journey inside the crazy mind of a runner.
  
  
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                    I am a runner. We are a weird bunch. We run to live. We run for stress relief. We run for fun. We eat to we can fuel for our next run. We sleep to recover for the next run. We chafe and hurt and sweat and run races and subject ourselves to immense pain and drudgery...all for what? A medal and a banana at the finish line? A sense of accomplishment and pride?
  
  
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                    I’ve run over 40 races in my adult life. Countless 5k and 10k’s. 9 half-marathons. 1 full marathon (and currently training for another one in November).
  
  
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                    You know the crowds are forming to watch how you’re ending the race. Head high? Falling over? Smiling? Grimacing? And there’s always the photographer there, ready to take a picture of your finish line crossing.
  
  
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                    This season of ministry, for many, has felt like a marathon. More so than usual ministry.  
  
  
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                    We are seemingly smack dab in Mile 24 of our COVID-19 ministries, aren’t we? A season of frustration?
  
  
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                    We can sense an end is coming. We may even notice some signs of it. Restaurants opening up. Hair salons taking clients. Retail allowing more and more percent of max capacity into their doors. Doctors starting to do elective surgeries. All wins! And all a sign that the finish line is THERE. (*picture me pointing fervently ahead*)  
  
  
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                    But churches haven’t been changing quite so rapidly. Many, if not most, are still hesitant on reopening for physical locations. That’s fine. But it means the same efforts on our parts as online guys and gals to keep the ball moving downfield.  
  
  
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                    We’ve gotten good at building margin into what has seemed to be a margin-less couple of months. We’re tired, but we’re still moving forward. Our creative minds are operating. Maybe not at 100% (or even 80%), but we’re communicating the Gospel.  
  
  
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                    But the finish to all of this seems 
  
  
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                    It seems that we’ve moved from a season of 
  
  
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                    Friends, let me Jesus Juke you a bit. You knew this was coming.  
  
  
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    Sometimes having an online community, especially on Facebook Groups, can be difficult to maintain engagement of the members involved in the group. It’s easy to not be involved, and ignore posts when our active lives are going on around us. Social media activity can easily slip away when engagement is low. So what are some practical steps to keep your audience as active as possible? How can we convert these “consumers” and turn them into “engagers”.
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                    You are now ready to go crush groups and convert these “consumers” and turn them into “engagers”!
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                    Dave Ferguson, Leader of the Exponential Conference/Movement and Lead Pastor at Community Christian Church in Chicago... over the years I've been influenced by Dave. Hero Maker had a big impact in my life, and Exponential as a tribe has felt like home in recent years.
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                    Would Paul have used modern technology should it have been available to him in the first century? Indeed, I have read many blogs and articles suggesting he would have or would not have. Though interesting to consider, it is impossible to know what Paul would have or would not have done with modern technology. Thus, perhaps the better question is how does Paul’s use of first century technology inform the way we should use twenty-first century technology?
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                    Though Paul used all sorts of ancient technology, I am focusing only on the tech he used to communicate on behalf of the Gospel and message he received from the Lord. In regard to writing, he most likely used parchment, papyrus, and lead ink. All of these were the most modern communication technologies available during that time. Paul would write letters to keep in touch with the churches and instruct them in theology and discipleship. He relied on carriers who would use roads that were created using the most modern engineering technology available to the Roman empire to deliver these letters to other churches. Though so ancient we do not think of it as technology anymore, those were all technologies that Paul used to spread the gospel.
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                    Primarily, Paul used this technology to compose letters and we know that Paul’s letters were read aloud to the entire church, and that often the letters were circulated to other churches (see Colossians 4:16). Paul was utilizing the best he could the technology available to him to communicate to mass amounts of people. He used these methods to teach, to correct, to encourage, to pray, and more. Paul relied on the written word to be delivered via Roman roads and read aloud to the churches at large.
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                    So what are the implications of Paul’s use of technology? Essentially, Paul used the technology available to him in his time to spread the Gospel so we should seek to do the same thing. Consider the following ways Paul used technology and how we may use our tech the same way.
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                    Paul’s teaching through letters are still used today as the Word of God. Of course, you will not be writing the Word of God, but a core function of the church is teaching. How might you leverage blogs, websites, Skype, FaceTime, or other communication technologies to provide sound teaching? A note of caution: Paul was very specific to his audience in his letters. So I do think he would prefer teaching through interactive technologies such as FaceTime and Skype based on the personal aspect present in his letters. Blogs and sermon videos are good, but sermons and blogs do not make disciples. Communities in digital spaces can make disciples, it just requires more time and to be more personal.
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                    With the busy schedules of most Americans, why not utilize FaceTime to have some hard conversations? Why not do accountability over the phone, skype, or even through video apps like Marco Polo? I have seen many hard conversations delayed or ignored because the parties involved were not able to meet together. FaceTime them. These conversations are vital to growing in Christ.
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                    In every epistle, Paul has some sort of exhortation and encouragement for the audience. Again, it does not seem incredible to imagine him sending a daily reminder to his Whatsapp group chat: “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you” (1 Thes. 5:16-18), following by something like, “love you guys, keep pressing toward the prize!” It is not hard to imagine that Paul would comment on someone’s Facebook an actually prayer rather than a simple “praying for you.” I like to imagine that Paul and Timothy would schedule a time to call each other and pray daily for the work of ministry when they are separated.
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                    Church, we are content beasts... I actually had a friend of mine tell me once, "The only people that create more content than Churches is the Porn." He wasn't a Christ-follower and I'm going to have to take his word on the porn side...
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                    When I was a kid, I was told that talking in church was not allowed. My parents would allow me to draw or put my head down, but talking was not permitted. As I got older, I was permitted to sit in the student section of church and keep quiet passing notes to my friends during the service. We would pay attention, but we also had our own conversation going on by passing notes. This was in the stone age that preceded text messaging and instant messaging available on a cell phone. We would actually talk about what we liked about the message and made plans for hanging out after church. It helped me solidify friendships in church and dig in deeper into conversation. Now imagine, I grow up and oversee Church Online now. Should I encourage people to be quiet during the service? No way! This is the big benefit of Church Online. You can encourage chat during the service. Online chat during the service builds community and helps people stay connected to the content of your church service. Online chat is a great way to begin the conversation that moves your online audience from a crowd into community. All this starts with a quality chat host.
  
  
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                    Could you imagine if we offered chat, not just online but in physical services? I guess we’ll have to explore that idea soon. But in the meantime, think about how chat can make an impact on your digital platforms. Consistent chat volunteers can help you connect viewers to your church. It will require time and investment, so be prepared to build a core of people who are dedicated to serving your church. You can start small with just two volunteers at one service hour, but it is a great way to begin moving online guests into your discipleship strategy and get them connected to your church.
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                    The Creator made us in His image to worship Him. For far too long, the word ‘worship’ has been attached to a place and a moment, often inferring to the Sunday gatherings in churches everywhere. With that being said, worship has been associated mostly with music. Today we will look at how you can find your worship “voice” when speaking in the matter of serving God with your gifts and talents. The worship that I am referring to is your calling to serve God. Music is definitely one avenue, but not the only one. If you are not on stage singing or playing an instrument, you still have a worship voice where that ‘voice’ is used to make your faith known to the world.
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                    Online church volunteers are usually serving behind the camera, not in front of it. Much like the production crew, online church volunteers may assume the similar sentiment that their impact is simply that of a tech job. In reality, the impact of every volunteer in any ministry role is huge! As a leader, you must help them to find and see their worship "voice."
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                    One of the greatest illustrations of how we can use all that God has given to us can be found in Matthew 25:14-30. The teaching of the talents recalls the parable of the faithful and wise slave who continues to do the work of the master until the master returns (24:45-51). Although the master is delayed, he arrives to find the wise slave doing the tasks that have been appointed to him in the master’s absence. The foolish slave, however, has neglected his work and abused his power. In return he receives severe punishment. In the parable, the master entrusts his servants with his property, and punishment awaits those who have failed to carry on the master's work.
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                    God has given each person a wide variety of gifts, and He expects us to put those gifts to work for Him and His Kingdom. Like the servants from the parable, our gifts are not the same. God expects us to give back to Him with the gifts we have been given. The servant who received one talent was not condemned for failing to reach the five-talent goal; he was condemned because he did nothing with what he was given. The gifts we receive from God include skills, abilities, family connections, social positions, education, experiences, and more. The point of the parable is that we are to use whatever we have been given for God’s purposes.
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                    God does not endow people with identical or necessarily equal gifts. If you do as well as you can with the gifts given to you by God, you will hear his “Well done.” Not only the gifts, but also the people have equal worth (not only those in front of the camera). Serving in the online church allows each person to experience the power of God through chat, prayer and discipleship. Make an intentional investment in the lives of your volunteers to help them use all of their gifts and talents that God has given them for His glory..
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                    If you’re like me, you’re finding your voice to be completely bereft of weight right now. 
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                    The brutal murder of George Floyd, protests, violence, looting, and on and on. 
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                    You’re looking at the world, and you’re shaking your head, and you’re wondering what the next horse of the apocalypse is going to look like. You’re going to bed saying, “Come, Lord Jesus,” and you’re waking up with a, “Did He come back yet?”
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                    For the record, I’m in no place to comment on ANY of what’s going on. Outside of a torrid time with drugs and some “alternative” living situations before Jesus showed me His love, I have no experience, pastoral or otherwise, with anything that is going on in the world of protesting, violence, and rioting. I have a heart for ministry and for what the Lord says, but this is just another step into some relatively new ground.
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                    Except that now is the perfect time to speak up. To speak out on behalf of those that can’t speak or that won’t speak. To show the love of Jesus to ALL races, stages, and places of life.
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                    For the last three-ish months, Church Online has skyrocketed. It’s become a mainstay for our churches, the only place to really gather as a church family and worship together. And even as the physical space starts to open up bit by bit, we’re never really going to be able to go back to whatever normal was pre-COVID, 
  
  
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                    We’ve been saying this for weeks, but Church Online is here to stay. 
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                    But where do we even start with something as big as endemic, systematic racism and classism that has been passed from generation to generation?
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      We have the ability and the platform to really start to have these conversations. We’ve been working for at least the last three months, and for many of us, longer, at really showing our people that there are actual humans on the other side of those screens. And that those people are worthing engaging with and learning about. They're worth listening to.
    
    
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                    A good friend of mine is the groups pastor of a church. Not the online guy, but the principles are the same. He is an agent of change and equality, and has always publicly posted his support of racial and economic equality, even more so in the last few days. 
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                    But I’m incredibly proud of him. Instead of angrily firing back at the negative commenters in a follow-up post, the equivalent of 
  
  
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  , he’s taking a page out of the “grace book” and inviting people to one-on-one conversations. Privately. Away from the social spectrum. Away from the mob mentality that social media brings. Wisely, he is directing their anger at him back into thoughtful conversation. 
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                    He’s doing this all in a face-to-face, physical meeting, but the prevalence of online ministry is such that it is even easier for us to do.
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                    We can all agree that Jesus changed the course of history in a very short span of time on Earth. But I find it very interesting that Jesus didn’t write “It is finished” in the sky for all to see. Instead, he started small. Twelve disciples. Lots of one-on-one conversations. Gentle corrections.
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                    And yet Paul exhorts us to look past the divides and to really repair them. To become one. To unify. To show love and mercy to those that aren’t like us. 
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                    God’s been preparing us for this, folks. And this is not just a one-post-fixes-all thing. This is a work of obedience and love. 
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                    Just like Paul, it’s going to really start with a one-on-one conversation with Jesus. With a shining of light into darkness, with a dropping of scales from our eyes, and with mercy that is only from the Lord of all. With a heart-check.
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                    There are going to be trolls. The digital space is just an amplifier for our personalities, positive or negative. But this is an incredible time to be in Church Online. Not to wade into racial barriers that won’t ever get fixed by one tweet. But really ENGAGE through the tools at our disposal.
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    So, who are these people who are watching our Churches Online and what are we supposed to do with them? COVID-19 has brought us tons of traffic, and maybe for the first time we, as a church, are understanding the potential of the reach of Church Online. But here's a hard truth: people are not going to stay at your church because of content.
  
  
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    Coronavirus quarantine has caused all of us to reset and rethink what we are doing for a season. As we move towards “normal life,” take this chance to move to digital-first. If you have ideas for how you have moved to digital-first in a small church, please reach out and let us know so we can learn too.
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                    With a "build the plane while it's flying" approach, the watch parties serve to gather, as well as, create physical community, within the church. How can your church take this approach? Gain some practical insight from Adrienne and a church who pivoted quickly, and effectively, in order to make this happen.
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  . The idea behind it is focused original content with short episodes that is made specifically for consumption on a mobile platform. Every episode is roughly 7 and a minutes of storytelling and shows range from comedy to drama featuring Liam Hemsworth, Anna Kendrick, Christoph Waltz, and more. My mobile phone plan has given me free access to the network, and the content is not for the faint of heart. Even so, there is much to be learned from the possibilities of what we, the Church, could learn from Quibi in regards to making great content built specifically for mobile devices:
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                    Due to COVID-19 churches have been looking for ways to move their online church experience from streaming to a more engaging and relevant worship experience. During this pandemic, the church was confronted with the fact that the overall church experience would not be able to rely on the creative delivery methods of the past. On-stage special elements, enhanced sound, intentional transitions on stage from music to message…you get the idea. These things, which are great things by the way, allow people to experience the message in a very different way. They provide a REAL experience, not only by listening or watching through a screen but also through appealing to three of our basic senses: sight, sound and touch. They are simply ALL GONE. Today, we are challenged to provide this overall experience through the screen of TVs, computers and mobile devices.
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                    When it comes to the online church experience we have one thing we can count on to drive people from watching to engaging, and from engaging to committed followers of Christ. That is content, and content alone. I do not think this principle is exclusive to the online church experience. As we start to consider going back to holding worship experiences in our buildings, we need a fresh look at how we can turn the great content we are currently creating, and apply our creativity to be more intentional on how we make our experience with God more relevant to everyone who may come to both physical and digital churches. Again, our goal is to guide people to see Him through everything we do, not us. By seeing Him we will be part of a plan that will multiply disciples of Christ like never before.
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                    For as long as I can remember, I have had very vivid dreams. Some are so out there that when I wake up, it’s easy to remember they weren’t real (case in point: the recurring dream I used to have about hair, where one bunch of hair had kidnapped another bunch of hair). But there are others that take me a few minutes to shake out of when I awaken, that stick with me for hours or a full day and make me eye Trevor or other loved ones with a touch of suspicion.
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                    Tonight as I was putting the older boys to bed, I started to drift off while laying next to Branch. I must have started dreaming because when I jolted awake I felt disoriented, and for a few moments, I wondered if this whole pandemic had been a dream. There was a split second where I thought about trying to describe it to Trevor (“It was crazy! Everything was shut down including schools, and we started buying fashion face masks on Etsy and having drive by birthday parties. So weird.”)
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                    But of course, it hasn’t been a dream. We are starting week ten of this reality and I find that the further and further along we go, the more and more rebellious I get to the whole idea. Not the idea of doing our duty by loving other people well - but the idea that life is different now. I’m terrified that Branch’s first experience of pre-k and Abbott’s of 1st grade will be online. That somehow Trevor and I will be expected to keep living in 1,000 square feet with our three children, using our limited space to eat, play, rest, learn, work, grow.
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                    This weekend, I got the chance to speak at church on the idea of abiding in Jesus - of just being with Him. This includes things like reading the Bible and praying - all the Christian practices that have become cliches because there is truth in how valuable they are in drawing close to Jesus. But one of the parts of the passage was, “Every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.”
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                    Right now feels like a time of pruning. Maybe that’s short-sighted in light of the terrible truth of starvation and economic collapse and loss of life. I’m not saying that what we’ve suffered compares to any of that. But that it’s still a suffering, still a challenge - still a time of pruning. And if we’re being pruned, it’s to grow. It’s because the farmer looks at the branches and goes, “There’s more that branch can produce, but only if I cut it back first.”
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                    I don’t know how much extra fruit I’ve produced these last few weeks. I don’t know if it’s any, to be honest. But the fact is, this isn’t over yet. No matter how many restrictions are lifted, this is still not over. The shears are still at the twigs, cutting, slicing, tearing apart in an effort to free up room for better, purer, real-er things to grow.
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                    There is still time. Of course, there is always time - every day of our lives is a new day to grow and change, etc. etc. etc. I know. But this pandemic has given us an unasked for, indefinite swath of time to offer our branches up to the Farmer and say, “Go for it.”
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                    So I’m glad this has not been a dream. I’m not glad it’s real - but I am glad that the harvest hasn’t been collected, the pruning is not done, the fruit is not counted. Two months ago, I wrote, “What a waste of an imposed pause, to be exactly the same when the button is released as I was when it was pushed.” That was on Day Two. We’re now on Day 62, and I find myself back in that place, echoing that same sentiment. I don’t want to leave this, two weeks, two months, or two years from now the same as when I started.
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                    But the best part of John 15, where God tells us we are being pruned to grow, is the promise - that He abides in us. We are not alone. We are not asked (or expected) to do any of this of our own strength. The vine is our source, and we are the branches. Our only task is to stay firmly connected to it so our lives can show the fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control, and goodness.
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                    If you’re a pastor or church planter out there – I’m sure you’ve quoted this verse a thousand times already amidst the current pandemic. As people are searching out answers to “why God” and “where is God” – Romans 8:28 is a staple response. And make no mistake about it – it’s an appropriate response. However, the reason it’s an appropriate response has actually shifted in my mind and heart over the last month, and the shift has been all around the my (and likely most of our) presumed definition of the word “good.”
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                    For those living in the United States, our definition of “good” is generally interpreted as God will help us, bless us, be with us, provide for us, keep us safe, heal us and get us through whatever we’re going through. (And if that’s not how you interpret the “good” then understand that’s how 95% of people across the country interpret it!)
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                    Simply, our definition revolves around God improving our problems and enhancing our position in this life.
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                    However, what if “good” also includes the opposite of this sentiment?
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                    What if “good” is also to include God allowing our problems to increase and jeopardizing our position in this life?
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                    To that point, consider another passage of Scripture.
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                    In 2 Corinthians 12, Paul talks having a thorn in his flesh that he begged God to remove three different times. While we don’t know what the thorn was exactly, we do know Paul identified it with being some type of messenger from Satan to that was tormenting him (verse 7a).
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                    Now, does such a description sound “good”? Hardly.
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                    And would it seem “good” for God to answer Paul’s prayer? If we’re honest, we’d answer that question, “Most definitely!”
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                    What we discover is that God does answer Paul’s prayer, but His “good” response doesn’t fit into what many of us deem as “good” for it does not involve Paul’s deliverance from his painful reality. Rather, God’s nonresponse lets Paul’s thorn problem persist, which results in him taking a lower position in life – a position of dependence. God explains this as “good” because it keeps Paul from “becoming proud” (v. 7b), and it reveals to him that God’s “grace is all you need” for God’s “power works best in weakness” (v. 9).
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                    If you were Paul – how would we respond to God’s “good” response? If we’re honest – I think most of us would have great trouble seeing God’s goodness in what feels like an unanswered prayer that brings about more pain and suffering. But listen to Paul’s conclusion – the same Paul, by the way, who said God works for the good of those who love in Romans 8:28! …
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                    Such an attitude is what I’m praying I would possess and help pass on to others amidst the COVID-19 crisis. It’s a more robust view of “good” that I believe truly helps others rise above our limited, culturally-conditioned view of “good.”  It’s a more honest, Biblically-substantiated, and Jesus-evidenced definition of “good” that we all need right now.
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                    “Good” has always included God either causing or allowing crisis to turn our attention and allegiance to Christ. And perhaps that’s what we’re experiencing right now on a global scale? If so, I want to find it good to take pleasure in this time of weakness because when I’m weak, I experience God’s strength and power.
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                    While having social media platforms is a great start to reaching your attendees and potential audience, there are several big mistakes that you can make once you’ve gotten your name out there, so we present to you - the 7 Deadly Sins of Church Social Media!
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  Hey Jeff here with THECHURCH.DIGITAL. Remember, last time we were talking, we were talking about church online and basically how it needs to get together with the physical campus as we're moving out of this COVID season. We've been very heavy church online before COVID. We're very heavy physical. But the one lesson we need to take away from all this is that the digital and the physical, we need to work together. And I use the word a lot phygital P-H-Y-G-I-T-A-L of how to get our phygital church to work together. How physical and digital can work together. And really the biggest place that defines your church in this next COVID season is the philosophical structure. We talked about that last time of, of whether you want a church online whether you want to hire like that online pastor where he's just doing ministry to people who don't attend physically.
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  Do you want to do a digital model of church where you've got this one pastor who's basically doing ministry across the entire church? Or do you want to instead do something where it's more like a champion or a project manager? Everybody owns a piece of the puzzle. In those situations, it's not a single person who's doing the ministry. We all, all, everyone on the staff, even the volunteers all have a part in an online ministry. It's just a matter of championing that and helping them understand that and holding them accountable for the job. So it's really, it's three different jobs, but at the end of the day, what you're going to get from this is a different strategy kind of for each, because each, depending upon what your answer is for your church, the flavor of what the ministry actually looks like is going to be spun differently depending upon what your posture is on each of those three options, which is your church going to choose.
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  But moving on from that, we can look at just kind of what the base diagram for a church online pastor would be. Now it's going to taste different depending upon which of the three options you choose as stated before. But really you've got this, this idea of what a pastor should be and here are the five things that are going to be on that. On that job profile. First off, you're going to be developing some sort of content for online now. Pre-COVID, you know, we would say things like, you know, developing the weekend experience for online, but coming out of COVID, maybe your church isn't doing weekend services or, or maybe the experiences are moving beyond just that one hour on Sunday because we've learned something in this COVID season. We know that church is more than the one hour on Sunday because we have now felt that for the past two months as we've been able to gain ground in people's lives by engaging with them more than the one hour, but having that person champion or resource or be responsible for that, championing that and developing that.
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  For, for the church, that's going to be one of the areas that a, this online pastor, whatever the context that online pastor would, would resource. Now, second would also, I would say drive online discipleship. You know, maybe in the season your church moved online, small groups from the physical to online very effectively, somewhat effectively, nominally, effectively. Or maybe you didn't even give it a shot or it, it just, it didn't work. I mean, anything can happen in the season, but there's still a valid opportunity to do ministry to, to discipleship in this space. Because if all we're doing is content, but we're not doing anything on the discipleship side, well then we're just creating consumers. And that consumerism actually has nothing to do with in the church. So if we're going to call it a church online, and if we ourselves are a church and wanting to merge this physical and digital together, we've got to figure out what the discipleship component looks like, whether it's small group Bible study component, maybe it's another thing that you're doing on top of that.
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  But there's a challenge for this online pastor to figure out how to take your church's infrastructure, how to do it digitally, and maybe even how to improve it in the digital space. That's, that's number two on the list. Number three, champion online locations, online gatherings. Now, this may be a little futuristic idea. We've talked about it a lot recently here on the podcast. Greg Aukerman from crossroads church. We want to see physical come out of church online. The gospel that we learned in our online world has to affect our offline relationships. We learned that from online offline theory. Thank you very much, Jay Kranda. But what we know from this is that we can see the gospel, we can see our church onlines. If we're really effective in discipling, then we're going to want to see new creations. We're gonna want to see new communities grown out of this.
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  And this may be an aggressive theory and some of you are thinking, yeah, we're not there yet. But if you start to champion it now, if you use this season to create micro locations, all of a sudden you may see a priesthood of believers built up in your church that maybe will reach a whole other sector of people that you've never been able to reach because you're utilizing different ways from it. Maybe the lesson in this COVID season for you is, is more of enabling and mobilizing others to be the church instead of gathering, once again back in the physical buildings for church. All right. Number four, as we're going through this, a liaison to physical church pastors, here's the deal. Even even in this giant eight week bootcamp of COVID, we church our physical churches and we're struggling to learn church online. Effectively.
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  We've been doing it under the gun, but when we go back to our offices, when we go back to the buildings we're, we're going to revert back to the way that it used to be. Actually, I had had somebody tell me once, Jeff, you need to always remind people of where they're going or else they'll revert back to the way they were. And so for us, church, for you, church, for the online pastors that, that you're hiring, I would challenge you to challenge them. Like don't go back to the way that it was. It's going to be very easy to slip back into the comfort zone. And in this COVID, in this post-COVID season, if we really want to be aggressive, if we really want to see change happen, if we really want to get to this phygital model that marries physical and digital, we can't go back to the way that it was.
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  We have to move forward in that and so you online pastor yet to be hired newly hired. Don't let people revert back. Challenge them. Tell stories, cast vision like you've never been before because people are moldable now like they've never been before. Number five on the list here is research and development. There is always going to be new tech. There's always going to be a new platform. There's always going to be a new toy. There's always going to be something on this list. Now it's very easy to put on the tech hat, the play with the new toys in the new gadgets and forget the relational context of what you're trying to achieve with church online. So never forget that relational piece, but realize for every new social media platform, there's now a new community that we church. If we really want to be effective in doing ministry online, we need to figure out how to reach those digital communities for the digital communities they are.
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  Historically within the church, we've looked at digital communities as a way to connect with our regular attending members to encourage them to come to the building. Historically, we've never really been able to look at these digital communities and realize that they are a community to be reached in itself. I don't want to utilize YouTube to reach people that are already attending my building. You want to utilize YouTube as a way to reach people that are connecting on YouTube, you know, as as a digital church and creating that movement. What if we reached YouTube people where they were in their community and figured out how to disciple them as a community virtually anywhere. It's a completely different mindset and one that I don't think we as a church have really wrestled with. What does it mean to really disciple people in the digital community that they are instead of driving them to our physical community to do discipleship.
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  So even as a church, wrestle with that at number five, how do you define digital community and context of discipleship? That principle, once you figure it out, truly defines a lot of what the others here are gonna be. So to go over the five again you're going to represent, you are going to champion content, you are going to drive online discipleship. You're going to champion online locations gathering together. You're going to be a liaison for physical pastors, constantly challenging them and helping them to break out of this physical only mindset. And then number five, research and development. Always finding the new tools, the new methods, the new communities to do ministry with. Those are your five job profiles to do church online. Online pastor recently hired yet to be hired. That's what you're looking for. That's what you want to do to effectively reach community in this post COVID environment mid-COVID, post-COVID environment that we're currently in. Well, thanks for listening. This is Jeff with THECHURCH.DIGITAL. Hit me up if you've got questions, comments, where wherever platform you're watching this on, hit me up on social media, deerffej, and be sure to subscribe to us over on the YouTube channel. Thanks everybody. Bye.
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  Hey Jeff here with THECHURCH.DIGITAL and I gotta tell you I am loving the reports that we are starting to gather together, that people are starting to meet together to do physical church. Once again in this season of COVID. I know it's been very tough on some, on many, on most of us going and depending holistically on this digital only system and it's not digital's fault, it's really, there hasn't been the complimentary piece of physical coming together with it. So remember digital church online. In some situations it can work but the majority of our culture is not going to connect with a digital only expression. Just like the majority of us aren't going to connect with a physical only expression. We need to figure out what that balance is between digital and physical, how we can live phygitally. Combination of digital and physical together.
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  And this really gets us into the heart of what I wanted to talk about today because the number one conversation that I'm getting at this point is how do we church, how do we staff for the future? I want us to wrestle with one thing kind of upfront here. What is the structure of online? What is your view of online for your church? Because unless you have that figured out now you're not going to be able to hire the right person. Or maybe you're going to hire the wrong person because you're casting the wrong vision for what you're looking for. So really there's three frameworks that I think you as a church that's interested in doing something phygitally . There's three frameworks I think you can apply today, but the simplest one to implement today would be to hire an online campus pastor. Now, here's the mindset of this.
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  The online campus is essentially just like a multisite campus. Just like any of your multisite campuses where if you have a church that does multi-site, maybe you're in the, in the city, like here in Miami, the church where I attend, we've got three multi-site campuses. People attend individual campuses, they serve, they do small groups. They're, they're giving the attendance on the weekend when they're in the physical buildings. It's all centered around that one location. And oftentimes there's not competition. The majority of the times I'd save to say there's not competition among them. Sure. Occasional outliers may attend campus Y instead of campus X one week, cause they're, you know, having lunch over there or maybe travel around. But for the most part, people lock into their specific campus. So with an online campus, what you're doing is really, you're creating that opportunity for people to attend a campus online.
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  The bad side of an online campus is that it really conflicts with this idea of attending campus physically. You see the majority of church staff want to see ministry happen physically. Its college just ingrained nature into what we're used to over years and years of having physical ministry. It's the reason we're wanting to get back to the building as quick as we can because that's where we define where ministry happens. And so in the physical space within the city where your church is located, you know the idea that discipleship, that that ministry, that giving, that all that comes within the physical space is good. And oftentimes there's a redheaded stepchild nature that comes about from a online campus. You're not allowed to do ministry to the people within the physical location. That's delegated to just the physical campus, the physical campuses, the physical location, you online campus, you're just relegated to outside the people who are all over the country, all over the world, but not the ones who are currently on mission.
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  That's just within the city, so there's a really strong tension to not do church online within the city. Even though really the person who lives across the street from you, from your church location could benefit from church online. Maybe it's a sermon archive, maybe it's being part of an online Bible study. Maybe there's a serving opportunity that connects better for them online that's not in the physical space and so there's this tension that you feel with an online campus. Now pre-COVID online campus I think was actually the more popular model when COVID was just starting. If you had asked me what the future was, I would have told you this. I would have told you that the digital pastor is the model. You see a digital pastor is someone who is going to do ministry to everyone in the church regardless of where they live, because whether that person lives across the street from the church or on the other side of the planet from the church, they can benefit from a digital tool, as well as a physical.
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  They could, could benefit from a digital small group. They could benefit from a sermon online. They could benefit from a devotional thought being sent to them. And for many of you in this COVID season, you've discovered how to pastor, how to shepherd people digitally. So even this old framework of, Hey, we all want to separate physical and digital. COVID really just threw all that in a blender. And coming out of that, we're starting to see what it really means to shepherd and pastor people digitally, regardless of where they live. And so really, if you're looking for today in this COVID season, if you're looking for a more solid model of how to do ministry, you're looking at something like a digital pastor that is going to pastor, that's going to shepherd, that's going to care for people regardless of their location. Even even complimenting, working alongside some of the physical locations that you may have multisite or just typical church.
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  It's not meant to compete. It's meant to compliment digital and physical complimenting each other, and so while you may have a larger that's dealing with the physical components of doing ministry and you may have, you know, a number of people across it. A digital pastor is the arguably the one person that's kind of working with the digital tools to do the ministry across all of your church regardless of where they live. Now. It's interesting pre-COVID I would have told you that's the future of the church, but we know in this COVID season that this is a gasoline on a flame and that through this COVID season where things accelerate faster than they would have before, which actually gets me to number three. The future is not staffing a online campus pastor just to minister to the people who are not in the physical space. It's not hiring one person to do ministry across the entire church.
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  It's really probably more of a of a project manager or a champion that's really encouraging the entire church staff to do the ministry. Because what we're learning in this COVID season is that man, kids, there's plenty of ministry opportunities for kids to do ministry online. Even when we meet in the building, we still need to figure out how to do this stuff. Students, Oh my gosh, students, there's plenty of opportunities to connect through, through Twitch, through TikTok, through all of these things to create content to ignite people in not only in physical space, but also utilizing some of these digital tools to connect them to discipleship pathways, to get them to grow deeper in their faith so that they can in turn be an influence for them. We can do ministry outside of the building small groups, discipleship teams, serving opportunities. We all have roles.
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  We all have purposes in an effective, in a healthy church online. Even one in this COVID season. And what we're beginning to see is this opportunity not to have one person carry the weight of the entire church doing the entire church ministry digitally. But one person whose biggest priority as champion to rah rah to get us excited, to help us understand the purpose, to point us our staffs in the right direction, to do the ministry and then release them to do the ministry of multiplication, to build up the volunteer teams to continue to point them in the right direction. You see in this COVID season coming out of this COVID season, I believe that all of us will have a high priority when it comes to physical campuses. It's going to be a struggle for us to think digital first and having this champion, this digital champion, this guy who is going to, or gal who's going to force us to think digital first, who is going to challenge us to look at things differently.
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  It's not her job to do the ministry. It's all of our jobs to do the ministry. We just need someone to remind us of that. And so those are your three options. The further you go online, campus pastor is a very easy to implement. I don't know that it's as effective today. The digital pastor is really effective. You're going to run the risk of burning somebody out cause it's a big job. Your project manager called them champion, you're going to get a lot of people excited about that who are receiving content. You're going to challenge a lot of people who are going to need to think differently in this season, but ultimately when we come out of this, we do as a church, we need to think differently in this season. We've thought differently in this COVID season and that thinking differently needs to continue on afterwards. Next up for the blog, we're going to be sharing a job description detail of what an online pastor's job profile would look like. All right, thanks everybody.
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                    Out of the 5 internet campuses that I worshipped with, my favorite musical worship was Seacoast hands-down. Keep in mind that I was a worship pastor for 11 years and have a degree in music, so music and worship is very close to my heart. I’ve been a supporter of worship leader
  
  
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                    One thing I love about the worship experience at Seacoast is that they always end with responsive worship. The message doesn’t end the service. I love that! I think once you encounter God through His Spirit and the teaching of His Word, you should have a chance to respond. Seacoast gets that! Below is their Internet Pastor (and fellow CSU alumni)
  
  
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                    If there's a lesson the church needs to learn in this Global Pandemic: Physical Church &amp;amp; Church Online need to learn to play together nicely. In the pre-COVID season of our life (that was merely two months ago) Physical Church was king of the hill, leaving Church Online as the red-headed stepchild. In the midst of COVID, Church Online is the only game in town as the Physical Church doors are literally locked, and let's be real... no one knows what's coming next.
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                    This is the conversation we're having with Greg Atkinson. Greg was one of the early pioneers of Church Online, and a guy who has seen his share of changes within the church. A man who's literal job is to help churches do physical church better, but also being one of the earliest supporters of the Church Online movement, Greg provides a unique perspective of how physical and digital need each other in order to survive post-COVID.
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                    If your community was reopened to gatherings next Sunday, would you open your doors? Those of us with a pastor’s heart are screaming, “ABSOLUTELY!” That is the answer to, “would we?”, but it doesn’t answer the question, “should we?” What’s the rush? 
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                    Recently, we surveyed our congregation on multiple areas concerning the COVID-19 situation and their experience with the church. When asked, “If the church reopened this Sunday, would you come?”  We found that 30% of respondents said that they would not come back right away. The number one reason they gave was, “Unsure of others’ precautions to prevent illness.”  Another 18% responded that they weren’t sure if they would come back right away, even if the number of people were limited. That’s 48% of respondents who find themselves leery about rejoining the physical community. That’s a number we need to be careful to address. Here are some things I think we need to think critically about:
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                    I know that sounds counterintuitive to pastors. We want to get our people back, but many of our people might not be ready. If we create pressure on them to return too soon, they might not return at all. 
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                    Communicating an expectation to return before they are ready might send the message that we are more concerned about filling our building again, than we are about the potential health risks and hearts of our people. One of the objections here is, “If we don’t open, our people will go somewhere else.” Some might, but remember that up to 50% of your people will probably not go anywhere, including your own church. 
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                    Being honest and accepting of people’s concerns will go a lot farther in terms of their appreciation of how you are handling things than trying to convince them to rush back.
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                    Do we have an ethical and pastoral responsibility to take a wait and see approach? No one has a crystal ball to tell them what will happen when things are reopened. Will the risk of infection continue to decrease, or will it spike again as people gather? Taking an extra week or two will give your leadership an opportunity to assess the situation without putting your people into a potentially dangerous situation. Communicating why you are waiting may tell your people that your first priority is their health and well being.
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                    In most areas the reopening of communities and activities will most likely be gradual; groups of 10, 25, 50, 250. This, again, is where the uniqueness of your church comes in. Allowing groups of 10 will have a different impact on a church of 1000 verses a church of 20. Consider the following ideas:
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                    Start small and build. See your congregation as a mass of core groups. Open up key times at your meeting space during the week or on Sunday for groups of 10, 25, or 50, who sign up online for a time slot to meet. Make each meeting 30 minutes or less and provide some worship and a devotional. This will require more of us as leaders, but will help to ease the discomfort of coming back to church and reintroduce people to leadership and each other.
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                    Adding a service, even for a month, will allow people to spread out in your meeting space. I know this takes more volunteers, time, and resources, but could allow people to gather in smaller groups and continue to practice social distancing.
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                    Is there a way to move elements in your meeting space in order to create as much distance as possible between people and families? Shifting the orientation of your platform, reconfiguring your chair lay out, or clearing out your lobby of needed counters and tables will allow you to create more space.
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                    All of our churches have vulnerable groups; the elderly, children, and those with compromising health issues. The last thing we want as pastors is to be responsible for any of our people being hurt or becoming sick. 
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                    If we are allowed to reopen, why not ask parents with children in fifth grade or younger to take an extra week or two and continue to join you online? This would require you to consider closing services for children for those two weeks, but again, it would give you, and parents, the opportunity to see what happens as groups start to gather again. 
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                    I would say the same thing about our 65+ community in the church. Invite them to stay connected online for an extra week or two. Now, I know our seniors are adults who can make their own decisions. If they choose to come, provide optional masks and gloves for their safety.
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                    How do we communicate that our physical space is as clean and safe as possible? Obviously we can communicate that we are sanitizing surfaces, but I think we can do more to make people feel like we are prepared for their return. 
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                    Think about suspending free coffee service for a time, not putting out doughnuts or cookies, put out hand sanitizer, and get individually prepared communion packets. You could have your greeters wear masks and gloves. Have your greeters and welcome team open the doors for people so there are not hundreds of hands on those surfaces. 
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                    Hey Jeff with THECHURCH.DIGITAL here. One of the top questions I get any given week, and by the way, this is also one of the largest searches we have in this COVID season through Google that hits our website is how do we count people that attend our services online? You see, I think churches out there, we have this physical idea of we're counting the butts in the seats, the people that are attending and we're trying to figure out how to replicate that in, in digital space because we're doing these church online services and we're considering also as we're going back to the building, continuing it on and we're trying to figure out how to compare the two together. And, and I'm just, I'm going to be honest talking to this lens and to everyone else who's watching this blog. Yeah, you really it's not an apples to apples comparison in here.
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                    See what happens is if like for instance, I'll take myself last week when I watch church online with my family, there was me, my wife and my two kids were in the room. We were watching it on an Apple TV and then my wife had her laptop open, was in the chat room and my daughter had her Chromebook open as well in the chat room. So with the four of us in the room, there were three different devices that were watching the same service. So the system would have logged three instead of four. And this is where multipliers come in, where we try to add a multiplier to guess how many people are behind the devices which may or may not be accurate because in like the next week when I watched the service with my family, the same four of us were watching the church service.
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                    Two of the kids were kind of tuned in. They were really kind of zoned out over on the side. So I'm not sure whether they should really be counted because they were just kind of cuddled up watching, resting for us to watch the kid service after the adult service was over. But then my wife and I were totally tapped in, but no other devices. So was that two or should that have been four? It's, it's one of these things that if you're really trying to compare physical versus online the numbers really get squirrely. And if you're really looking for that apples to apples comparison, I'm not sure it really exists. You see what we're talking about really here is his reach, the number of people that you're getting with your online service, with your church, online broadcast, with your, essentially your content.
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                    How far is it going by the way? The busiest way to really increase your reach is to take out a check, write it to Google, write it to, you know, Facebook and just pay for your video broadcast to go out. I don't, I don't know that the success of a church online or the healthiness of a church had really been be dictated by writing a check. So while the benefit of, of doing reach and being aware and trying to get your broadcast out as far as possible, well that one hour on Sunday really doesn't define your church online any more than it does your regular church broadcast. Like there's more to to your physical church buildings than, than just that one hour right there. There's like small groups they're serving opportunities. There's being on mission. Chances are at some level you've got probably a really rich discipleship process.
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                    You see in online circles. That's what we call engagement. Like the small groups or when you have a, literally the word engagement means a two way conversation. And so small groups is an opportunity to have a two way conversation where you guys can converse together in small groups, get to know one another, build relationships in physical space church. We've done a lot of that by the way. We've moved our physical small groups over to, to virtual in this COVID season. And I think church, we've learned lessons about engaging people, but that engagement, the pathway of engaging throughout your, your church, that's really the metric to celebrate the amount of people that you're reaching, the amount of people who are watching your content, whatever the formula is that, that you guys are contriving at your churches is building up. It's not telling the full story of, of your church.
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                    Now, your church may have some phenomenal other stories that are happening that you need to dig into, but you may not be engaging with those people. Who are the new people who are watching your church right now? How can you engage them? Maybe it's through an after service party. Maybe it's through a virtual lobby. Maybe it's through a super group gathering that's a safer environment for people to plug into before you really get into small groups of supergroup, maybe doing like a sermon based Bible study or something you want to try. The hardest thing, this is so true. The hardest thing in church online circles is to move people from that church service into an environment of small groups because people are watching basically you don't know who they are. They're, they're watching church in isolation and it's up for us church to discover who these people are, engage them, and then take them through your engagement pathways where we're calling it.
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                    Essentially, that's where you get them connected into small groups where you get them connected into serving opportunities where you get them on mission and discipleship relationships where you replicate the rest of the church beyond that one hour on Sunday and do that fidget Tully through both physical and digital because after all, if all we're doing is reaching and we're not helping people engage, well shoot. That's, that's consumerism. Reach without engagement is consumerism. In our churches, our church onlines are not supposed to be consumers. God didn't call us through Cray consumers. He called us to create disciples, which happens through engagement. You see there's an importance of reach and we want to celebrate the number of people who are watching a service. We do. It's important, but that's not the end game. The end game isn't getting them started. The end game is getting them through that engagement pathway, walking them all the way around to the point that they have a better understanding, maybe even to the place where they can start to walk others through that same process as well where they can be spiritually responsible for that next level person.
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                    Some of you may have questions you, you want to talk about this. You don't want to just listen to a one way communication. You don't want to be a consumer. You want this to apply so, and you want to work through it. So engage in a two way conversation with myself and some other guys through stadia, over at the stadia church, online, Facebook. This video may have reached you. Now let's engage and talk about it. So here's what you do. Go to 
  
  
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   “for the sake of the gospel” so that we can win them to eternal life in Jesus Christ.
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                    That’s not a normal thing. Usually we’re told to be who we were created to be, never wavering, never changing. Be all we can be. Live our own truth. 
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                    And, as ministry leaders and ministers of the gospel, we’re to be flexible in our approaches. We’re guided by Scripture, yes, but we’re to flex and change as needed in order to reach the world for the Name of our Savior.
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                    We’ve had to learn and adapt to each situation so that we can continue to grow.
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                    And, in churches, the model we’ve been using for 2000 years has been one based on physical presence. Connecting with people face-to-face, shaking a hand, giving a hug. Small groups IN a house. Gatherings of many people to sing and learn together. All of those things.
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                    Looking at a person face-to-face automatically allows you to read body language and subtle changes in communication. It allows you to truly 
  
  
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                    Think about some of the language preachers and worship leaders use during worship gatherings:
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                    “I can feel God in this place.”
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                    “Look around you. That is a person Jesus loves.”
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                    That sort of thing. A physical place, with a “physical” presence.
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                    And now, we don’t have physical places. At least, seemingly still not for a little bit.
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                    Transition plans are in place to work our way back into physical church spaces, but it’s looking more and more likely that we’re still in an extended time of social distancing.
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                    That scares a LOT of pastors and church leaders. They’re afraid that the last 9 weeks of online church has made people complacent, unable to truly connect with their faith. They’re afraid that our online transition has made it so that people don’t know what to do in church anymore.
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                    But this is a chance for Church Online to shine.
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                    To leave an indelible, eternal mark on ministry practices. 
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                    Here’s how:
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                    You can teach your church that the person on that screen that you’ve been watching or typing to or having meetings over Zoom with is an 
  
  
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                    It’s not a disconnected name or profile pic. It’s a person, with a family, wants, needs, desires. A person that needs to know and grow in their relationship with Jesus. 
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                    And that actual people are worthy of all of our ministry efforts. Online church included.
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                    See, we’ve been conditioned to think that people on screens 
  
  
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                    Think about TV for a second. Normally, you sit in a room, passively watching things, not really engaging or interacting. Comedies have those awful laugh tracks. Hospital dramas have lots of good-looking people throwing weird acronyms at each other.
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                    We innately feel distance between us and the character.
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                    It’s one of the reasons I believe that 
  
  
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                    Outside of being my favorite series of all-time, it was a show that broke a lot of rules. The documentary-style shooting brought us 
  
  
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                    People truly thought that Jim and Pam were married in real life. To each other.
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                    The biggest thing we can take away from all of this is the understanding that the person you’re seeing on that screen, or that avatar you’re chatting with, or that profile that you’re DM’ing back and forth with is an 
  
  
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                    Online church can be a portal into lives in a way that physical church can’t. It can be a way to carry around community or groups literally in your pocket. It can be a way to transform the world for the sake of the gospel in the instant that it takes for Face ID to unlock your iPhone (yes, even with a mask on).
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                    Online church is a way to bring others into this great salvation story, to break down the walls of digital connection a little bit more, to de-mystify the “screen,” and to truly transform what church looks like going forward.
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                    TikTok is one of the latest crazes in social media. Kids and students have flocked to it for non-stop entertainment, and hilarious shareable content. The question that is on many minds in the Church is, “How can churches leverage this new platform to reach people?” After all, if leveraged properly, you have the potential to connect with your community and have fun while doing it. Since the beginning of the quarantine, generations have been able to connect through doing TikTok dance challenges over the past few weeks. Kids, Parents, and Grandparents have been enjoying the fun and creativity of shooting these videos together. 
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    COVID-19 has brought a lot of confusion into the church. It's hard enough to be an existing church navigating this season. Try being a church that hasn't even launched yet.
  
  
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    That's where Ray Hudson found himself. A Church Plant slated to launch Fall 2020, Ray launched early, digital only. And this is what makes Ray interesting. Ray is running a digital only church, but not wanting to limit himself digitally. Ray's church, Our City Center, is passionate about reaching Berkeley, CA. Even in its digital state, the church desires to connect with people in the physical space.
  
  
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    That's really the point. If our only desire is to connect with people digitally, we run the risk of creating consumers. Ray, though, is making us ask questions like, "How can this content impact people physically? How can we love people to the point that it impacts the physical world?" This is the standard that our Digital Churches, as well as, our Physical Churches, should hold themselves to.
  
  
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                    Okay, hopefully your lead pastor hasn't looked you in the eyes and said these words. Church Online has stepped up in a big way for a lot of churches in this COVID season. Many, many churches are learning lessons in this season. 
  
  
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                    And herein lies the problem. Cause for the past couple months some of have have gotten a taste of Online Ministry. You love the interaction. You love the relational connection. You love engaging with people, digitally. But the church that you work, that you volunteer with... well, they're just not passionate about Online Ministry. They can't wait to get back to the building. And when it does, they think that it'll be going back to status quo.
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                    How do you talk with leadership about your passion to continue Online Ministry? How can you convince them otherwise? Realize that your leadership may not be swayed, but when we've talked with high level leaders in churches, leaders who are "pro" church online, and "con" church online, these are the items that they would consider. As best as possible, work to take the "no's" off the table.
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                    Take the monthly maintenance of a building, or even the rental of a space. The amount that you're going to spend to do Online Ministry is pennies compared to the cost of physical ministry. Now, yes, you can add in custom apps, expensive equipment, and other bells and whistles... but how much do you need to spend now to build relationships with people online? A Facebook account costs nothing. Use what you got to establish validity. Online scales so much better than physical; our buildings are a lid compared to online.
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                    Are there attenders of your church who are excited to serve online? Oftentimes, hearing that volunteers are excited to serve, exciting to be on mission, in a certain area may sway thoughts. What are the volunteers thoughts who are serving in Online? Don't have any volunteers serving with you online? There's an easy way to fix that.
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                    One of the biggest hurdles with churches adopting Church Online is that they don't understand it. For hundreds of years we've been doing physical church. It's understandable that they're not able to adjust quickly in this COVID season. Tell stories of relationships being developed, of the lifechange happening. Put a face and a name of the ministry.
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                    This may take some humility on their part, but ask them what their concerns are? If you find yourself saying "I don't know what they're thinking..." then ask the question. Take the feedback from the team, and see what can be resolve. Maybe you'll never be able to take all the "no's" off the table unless you ask them.
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    When we look at the idea of a Phygital Church, one that truly utilizes digital and physical, there is going to be a tension of who is priority? The majority of churches spun up their Church Online quickly in order to do ministry in this COVID-19 season. Did we learn anything in this season? Or are we attempting to go back to status quo?
  
  
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  I don’t want to write tonight. I feel like I’ve proven my point - I’ve written consistently for 33 nights and tonight, I feel done. I want to keep watching The Office, or maybe even to watch Salt with my husband (how will Angelina get herself out of this mess??) I want to color in an adult coloring book while drinking another adult drink and forget what’s happening outside and that there’s nothing I can do to help.

  
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  Because tonight, writing just doesn’t feel like enough. I read a blog post a few days ago by a Creative Pastor who urged each of us to do what we are called and able to do in this time - to give, to serve, to create - whatever God has gifted us to do, to do that thing with all of our hearts. But she was also honest that being creative felt like a lesser gift in this season, and I certainly feel that way tonight. I can’t sew, I can’t science, I can’t help heal - all I can do is string words together in sentences, and how is that actually helping? The helplessness is tangible, and if there’s one thing I hate, it’s feeling helpless.

  
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  But it gets me wondering - does everyone feel that way in the Time of Coronavirus?

  
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  Do doctors and nurses feel helpless - able to react, but not to prevent? Do teachers feel helpless, trying to provide structure and knowledge in a time of chaos and upheaval? Pastors? Grocery store clerks? Hairdressers? I imagine that in some way, everyone feels like they wish there was more they could do to not just mitigate the effects of this pandemic, but to stop the thing in its tracks. But until a team of scientists figures out a vaccine or a treatment, maybe we’re all in the same boat, wanting desperately to do more and knowing that there isn’t more to do.

  
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  It’s a weird place to live - to be ready to go to the hospital and throw down with some security guards and administrators over policies you disagree with (I came pretty close to going full John Q today), but to know that the best course of action for everyone involved is just to wait. And unfortunately, it’s just the way it is. That’s not to say there is nothing we can do proactively, of course, but that nearly all of our responses in this season are local - helpful and beautiful and necessary, making positive changes in our spheres - but in some ways frustrating because we can’t see those actions move the needle as we would like them to. We are stuck in a state of forced helplessness - we help by not helping.

  
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  There are, sadly, no easy answers here - but it does have me reflecting on the nature of help and thinking about Psalm 121:

  
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  It’s a good feeling to know that we can be used as Jesus’ hands and feet, the provision of His help to others. But it’s also good to remember that when we are unable to help in the ways that make us feel helpful, He is the true source of help. He created life itself - all things above, all things on earth, the cogs and the gears and the wheels that make life spin. When I cannot help, He still can.

  
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  Jesus isn’t sleeping. He’s not far away. He won’t come back from vacation and be surprised at what’s going on in the world. I know for many it begs the question, "Then why does He let it happen at all?” But I don’t think it works that way. He created the world and set it in motion. Of course He can intervene and often does - but cause and effect are real, science is real, epidemiology is real, and life is broken. Sometimes our systems play out in really terrible ways because they are exactly that - systems with starts and endings and paths that are followed and outcomes that inevitably result. The promise is not that He will always miraculously intervene, but that when we feel the weight of these broken systems, He is still near.

  
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  It’s not that the sun won’t shine, that it won’t be excruciatingly hot - but that God is there to shade us. We may still feel the heat, sweat profusely, be wildly uncomfortable, thirst. But we are covered, protected.

  
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  From this time - the Time of Coronavirus - forth and forevermore. He is not absent, nor has He ever been. If he is my help throughout eternity, I can trust that that promise stands for all those I love and would die to protect. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying this is easy or that everyone will come out unscathed - we know that isn’t the case. The outcomes aren’t always understandable or fair or happy - and I wish they were. But our Help is unmatched, unbreakable, all powerful, and all loving.

  
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                    We’re all in a video world now. Majority of churches are streaming their service online. Video needs go beyond livestreaming. Churches need to find ways to make disciples online. They are doing worship at lunch every day, devotions throughout the day, and shows throughout the week. Discipleship is not only video, but often includes it.
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                    Two years ago, I was reading my Bible and praying on Sunday morning. It was one of those moments when God’s Word was alive in my heart and He was speaking so clearly and prophetically to me. I was in the presence of the Almighty and my heart was filled with worship. My wife walked over to me and said something about the time. I do not remember what she said, but it meant if I did not get ready soon we were going to be late for church.
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                    As I pondered the time, church felt like an interruption to what God was doing in my heart. I thought and prayed about it. I felt stuck. My heart yearned to stay where I was, but my “duty” told me I needed to go to church. 
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                    After a few minutes of pondering, I told my wife I was staying home. I told her why, but also promised that I would watch the service online, not because I wanted to, but because there was a part of me that felt shame for not going. I read and prayed and journaled until service started. Then I closed my Bible and began to stream my church’s service online. 
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                    The next week, I wanted to do the same thing again, but to keep my wife from thinking I had apostatized, I went. In the middle of the service I realized something -- the only difference between the week before and now was proximity. Last Sunday, I sat in my living room; this Sunday I sat in a dark auditorium, surrounded by a crowd of which I hardly knew. I watched people play music, sing, and teach. For an hour and fifteen minutes, I was a spectator, not a participant, just like the previous week when I watched the same templated service on an iPad screen.
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                    For a month now, churches have been streaming services online and I honestly have been encouraged by what I have seen. I have enjoyed getting to hear preachers and worship leaders that I would never hear otherwise. Of course, in the midst of this, I see leaders speak of how they cannot wait to get back to church again, but at the end of the day, we have to ask why? What is really different about watching online than watching in person? Are we not mostly spectators either way? The problems we have seen in this pandemic are the same problems we saw before: people are not giving, people are not being discipled, people are not surrendering to missions, and people are just not as interested as pastors wish they would be. Streaming services online for the last month or so should cause us to realize it is not the medium through which the church model is presented that is the problem, but it is the model itself.
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                    Back up to the Sunday I did not go to church. During that time, my wife and I attended a traditional church on Sunday mornings, but we were also part of a house-church network that strove to meet as biblically as possible (I’ll save what I mean by that for another post). The traditional church felt like an interruption to what God was doing that morning because I had to “close the book” and say, “not now God. I’ve got to go to church.” Yet, that same morning, I could not wait to meet with my house-church that afternoon. They did not feel like an interruption because I was not a spectator in that gathering, but a full participant. So instead of “closing the book” and saying, “not now,” I was saying, “God I can’t wait to share this with my church this afternoon.” And most of the time, I would find I was not the only one that God had spoken to in this way. 
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                    I do want to be clear that I am not advocating Christianity without community; nor am I suggesting a house church is the only biblical way to meet. I am suggesting, however, that any model that strips the relational aspect of connecting with people organically is less than what God desire His church to be. One of the lessons of COVID and history is that God can move in small as well as big gatherings. Further, the opportunity before organic churches and digital churches are similar: our people no longer want to sit on the pew, or couch even. We don’t want to watch. We must participate.
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                    In the hectic-ness to build a Church Online, we often forget the biggest part... okay, Jesus is the biggest part. Didn't mean to Jesus juke you there. So let's call it the second biggest part, and no I'm not talking sermons. Church, we are in the people business. Oftentimes that gets forgotten among all the hectic-ness of COVID-19, or life in general. Church, we cannot automate away discipleship. These relationships, online, are the strength of Church Online, and should be valued above all, save Christ.
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                    That's the heart of this conversation... how to be relational thru Church Online. Don't make it about the number of views or the nameless IP addresses that clicked through for a brief moment. Make it about the relationships you're building and the opportunity you have to impact a life, online.
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                    Tyler excels at this. Rey as well. So, what comes out of this is a solid conversation on how to approach Church Online from a relational vantage point... a lesson we all need to learn.
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                    During my Friday run, a thought which had been sitting in the back of my mind for the last 7 weeks of lockdown made itself very present: 
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  You are at war. This war will not stop once the days, weeks, or months of this COVID-19 crisis ease up.  

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  .  God has given us a fresh, new digital church medium with which to do so.  
  
  
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  to do it.  He’s giving us a whole lot of on-the-job training, too.
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                    This will end, eventually.  And yet we’re still going to be at war.  A war that encompasses all of eternity, one that God has said we need to be fighting in His name.
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  We need to be wartime leaders at all times, not just during the times of crisis.  

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                    Always innovating our way to a better online discipleship model.  
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                    Inventing a new way of engagement.  
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                    Investing in our people so that they can use technology to make new disciples.  
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                    We need to be making decisions that allow our online platforms the space to grow, adapt, and change.  Just like a wartime country.  We need to be fighting for the things that matter, namely the 
  
  
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                    What’s next?  I’m not sure.  And neither are you.  
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                    But use this time of hard work, involvement, and learning.  Don’t let this go to waste.  Because when this is all over, and you’re back to “normal,” you have a God who is encouraging you to do more in this battle of life than you can even imagine.  
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                    We're wrapping up here on our our 3rd part of the Biblical Functions of a Digital Church. We've covered the easy stuff coming into this episode. What's left is the hard stuff. 
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                    Justice. Compassion. Mission. Body Ministry. How do you do these things digitally? Global Mission? Local Mission? All of a sudden, there's a challenge to Digital-Only church. I'm not saying that it's impossible. I am saying that it's not easy.
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                    And there's the challenge. Even in context of what we, the Church, are doing in this COVID-19 season. A digital church does not recreate a physical church model. It reimagines the model. As you're listening to Part 3 here, or even Part 1 or Part 2... remember that a digital church is a reimagining of Church, but still grounded in scripture. So jump in with us, and help us reimagine what a Digital Only Church can be.
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      <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2020 04:16:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
      <guid>https://be.thechurch.digital/blog/podcast-66-the-stuff-the-church-didnt-do-when-covid-19-hit-or-biblical-functions-of-a-digital-church-part-3</guid>
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      <title>Beginning the Journey to Planting a Digital Church</title>
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                    My family and I are planting City Center Church in Berkeley, CA. We have been called by God to help the city of Berkeley experience the life-changing love of God. Our vision is to impact the Bay Area one Community, one Family and one Person at a time. Although many would say Berkeley is a very hard place, people are amazing and currently, they just can’t see Jesus. We were planning to launch September 13, 2020. 
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                    Then, the week of March 8, everything in the world had changed. We had a Launch Party scheduled for March 15 and all that week we were trying to figure out if we were still going to meet in person. We decided to meet over zoom instead for our March 15 Launch Party. During that week I prayed and asked God what we should do in the middle of this pandemic. After praying for 2 days, I felt God say, "Don’t shrink back in this season, I am calling you to push forward and innovate." He said He called us out for this very moment to bring hope to the hopeless.
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                    Following that, I wrote up a new strategic plan so that I could prepare our leadership team before our launch team meeting. In that plan, God gave me 5 areas of focus. Not just to prepare for launch but to be more of an influence and resource to our city. He said He wanted us to:
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                    It was easy to get our team on mission and excited, because for 6 months straight that’s what all our meetings were about. Along with having meetings, we as a team served the city or Berkeley so it was training in action. We challenged our team to live on mission by choosing God’s Kingdom over their personal preferences. Delynn &amp;amp; Christine Burkhalter are a couple on our leadership team and they are helping fulfill the needs of their neighbors at their complex. Ryan &amp;amp; Nancy Gullum purchase groceries for families and deliver them. Our team partnered with the Berkeley School district to wipe down and package computers for needy families.
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                    For those looking to launch a digital church, there are a few things that are keys to beginning this journey.
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                    What is a Digital-Only Church? Well, thanks to COVID-19 we've got maybe a couple hundred thousand of them right now in America. Pre COVID-19, though, the idea was quite controversial.
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                    Stadia is passionate about planting Digital-Only Churches, and even still in this COVID-19 season we're still wrestling with how to make Digital-Only churches effective. To that end, I want to present this conversation to you. Biblical Functions of a Digital Church, Part 2 was actually recorded before COVID-19 happened, and as a result of the COVID-19 crisis I delayed releasing the content as other topics were more critical to discuss. This is a great time to continue the Digital-Only conversation, and I'm excited to assemble these Online/Digital Pastors together and wrestle with the simple context of how a Digital-Only Church can fellowship online.
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                    Fellowship. That's all we covered. What was supposed to be a simple conversation ended up being anything but simple, but it's a solid conversation that has implications for future Digital-Only churches, but also for Phygital Churches today who are figuring out how to better create community digitally.
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                    At heart I’m a church planter, so when the coronavirus forced everyone to shelter in place, my mind began to swim in possibilities. I live in a neighborhood with about 70 homes. Over the years, my wife and I have organized annual block parties as an opportunity to get to know to know neighbors. It’s always fun introducing someone to their next-door neighbor that they’ve lived next to for ten years.
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                    The neighborhood where you live carries with it a sense of identity. It has its own feel, its own culture so to speak. It’s something you have common with everyone that lives around you. If you’ve ever been in another city and run to a fan of the same sports team and had an instant connection, it’s a little like that. 
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                    I quickly invited the few people I was Facebook friends with. Two of them are very social and connected, so I called them and told them to invite everyone they were Facebook friends with. The purpose of the group was simple: we can leverage the group to stay connected, share needs and do some basic neighborhood watch stuff.
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                    Within 24 hours 50+ neighbors had joined the group. The next day, my wife (she’s the social one), delivered sidewalk chalk to every house with a note to write a cheerful message on their sidewalk. A day later there were messages all over the neighborhood. As people went out to walk, they read the notes. People even began to personalize notes on their neighbor’s driveways.
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                    I posted a poll asking whose work was essential, who was working from home or who had lost work. Everyone responded and shared their situation. Those who were going through hardship, heard notes of encouragement from their neighbors and offers for help. I’ve taken that as an opportunity to connect individually (through DM of course) and offer personal help from my wife and myself. 
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                    These simple ideas have done more to create a sense neighborhood than has ever existed before. The power of connection through place is one that we can easily leverage to build relationship. Do you know your neighbors? Now is a good time to meet them all digitally and build community.
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    Enter Patrick. He's in the process of planting a physical church in Columbus, OH, but he's not letting this COVID-19 season slow him down. Even though Patrick is living in Michigan, a completely different state than where he's preaching, he's working out a process where he meeting and mobilizing people in Columbus. This system is completely free, by the way. Completely relational. Completely inspirational. Church plant, small church, big church... there's something in this podcast for you
  
    
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                    How was your Easter weekend? Successful? Disastrous? Still riding the high from it? Still plotting ways to destroy all the server architecture you can find?
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                    Our church had an incredible weekend. We are a church of about 3500 and, like most of you, had our very first online-only holiday weekend.
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                    A whirlwind couple of weeks leading up to it culminated in:
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                    Other church services immediately flooded into my feed, one in particular.
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                    See, our church is just up the road from a much LARGER church. Their services filled my feed, and I watched their very well-produced Easter. It was VERY well done, and my quick reaction was to start comparing ours to theirs.
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                    In those moments, my shouts of praise over God’s victories in our services were quieted.
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                    I began to scheme how we could be better, more flawless in our execution. I began to strive for PERFECTION. Lights and look and audio and slides. It all needed to be PERFECT, and we were anything but in our execution.
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                    Like many of you, I began to get a little downcast in my soul. It was almost selfish, in a way. 
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                    That very vain moment passed quickly, however, as God reminded me of an old adage from Teddy Roosevelt that I lived by when comparing my worship leading skills with others:
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                    How true it was in that moment! God had just done awesome things in our church, and here I was belittling Him, telling Him that the flash, the pomp, and the circumstance was really what we needed.
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                    As if I knew better than He did.
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                    He knew the team that was assembled at our church. He knew the people that we would be reaching and the hearts that needed to hear what our pastor, our worship team, and myself were saying to them.
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                    And He knows your church and your team and your community in the same way.
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                    Many, if not most, of you reading this are now in this boat for the foreseeable future where you are reacting to the ever-changing social landscape in the best way they can. You’re doing online church services. And I bet a fair few of you are new to this realm.
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                    Many of you have Googled, “How to have an online church service” in the last 6 weeks, right?
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                    In those searches, how many services from Elevation, Life.Church, or North Point did you see? Or how many videos did you see about the gear that you’ll need to get and the money you’ll need to spend to get your productions 
  
  
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                    And how DAUNTING did that look?
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                    You, my friend, have started playing the comparison game.
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                    God has PLACED you in your position and into a unique community that only you can reach.
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                    Not Elevation, Life.Church, or North Point.
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                    You don’t need to look past the gifts, resources, and talents He has given you, your church, and your congregation. He needs YOUR CHURCH to be YOUR CHURCH. Not any other church.
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                    Focus on YOUR community. Elevation is already reaching thousands of people. Life.Church is already doing things that you can’t. And THAT’S OKAY! Learn from them, but don’t emulate them.
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                    Have a killer outreach team or plan? Show it! Have a kid’s ministry that is chomping at the bit to connect kids to Jesus? Do it! Don’t try to force the proverbial square peg of your own church comparisons into the oddly-shaped hole that your community makes. They need you!
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                    Don’t play the comparison game. Rejoice in the calling and community God has placed you.
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                    I’ve thought often of how hard it must be for planters who intended to plant in Spring of 2020. If you planned on launching on Easter of this year, your plans are all thrown off. The entire playbook has to be thrown out the window.
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                    Should I pack it in for the Coronavirus quarantine if I’m in a small church or a newly launched church plant? Should I pivot online if I don’t have a budget or team to help me? If I’m in a small church or plant, how do I gather people to help me?
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                    You are not in the business of running services and filling seats. You are in the business of helping people hear and experience the hope of Jesus. You are in the business of making disciples, helping people grow to love and lead like Jesus. Your job has not changed just because the strategy you worked so hard on has to be put on hold for a minimum of two months. I believe this is an even bigger opportunity to do that.
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                    *All the people you want to reach with your church still exist and they still need the hope of Christ. This can be an opportunity to engage and bless them. Use this as an opportunity to focus on what really matters: connecting, blessing, and discipling.
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                    The costs (both literal and figurative) are lower than ever. You can reach into the lives of people with technology and advertising in a way that people have never been able to before.
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                    So take this as an opportunity to reach out more.
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  Covid-19 is challenging, stretching the Church. As we've discussed... the Church has responded well, but at what cost? Our newfound love of Digital Church in this season of Coronavirus has churches growing at incredible rates, but the consensus of many of our pastors and staff is that this environment, at the pace and expectation we're executing, is becoming unmanageable.

  
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  There are pending philosophy questions we need to eventually have. This is not that conversation. Let's focus on this: As Pastors, as Church Staff, how do we manage ourselves? How do we care for our souls? If the first step of leadership is leading self, then what are we doing in this season to properly care for us as we lead others? I myself have made this mistake: Covid-19 is a marathon, not a sprint. It's not going away anytime soon. As Pastors, how do we effectively care for ourselves in this season?

  
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  This is the question I asked Mindy Caliguire. Mindy is a former Willow Creek staffer, who has written a number of books on Soulcare, is President and Co-founder of an organization called Soul Care, who's literal purpose is to help churches/organizations answer questions like these. 

  
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  This is really the heart of our podcast here. No techy stuff. No strategy. No philosophy. Let's just focus on a simple question of how can we keep pastors emotionally and spiritually healthy in this Covid-19 season. 

  
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                    I work for a college ministry at a private school that I used to attend. Our core group of students is not large but the student body population is largely non-religious. A lot of our efforts go towards showing non-Christians that we are not all of the negative stereotypes they have in their heads about Christians. This translates into outreach that is friendly for believers and non-believers alike.
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                    One of the ways we have found to connect to students is through an annual Prayer Tent that we set up in the middle of one of the busy areas of campus. For 48 hours, people will be in the tent praying. Inside the tent we have “stations” where our student leaders and staff create various guided prayers, questions, applications, and interactive activities for students to follow. There is also always a “host” or two who sit at a table at the front, available for anyone passing or stopping by to pray with. Each time we have done it, we have had great conversations with students of all beliefs, many of whom we never would have met otherwise.
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                    The Prayer Tent is also a place for the students in our ministry to deepen their faith and their relationships with each other. Imagine sitting in a tent from 3am to 4am with a fellow believer, surrounded by words of scripture and prayer. The kinds of conversations that come out of these unique moments are God-given. It also gives our students the opportunity to potentially share their faith with another student and to invite their friends and classmates to come and see.
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                    For obvious reasons, the prayer tent could not happen the way it was supposed to. Campus was shut down and students were sent home. However, as a staff, we decided not to give up on the notion that our campus needed 48 straight hours of prayer. Our students, especially in this strange, new time, needed prayer. So, we had to be innovative. We began creating a 
  
  
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  , a free online tool that allows a viewer with an internet connection to navigate through a presentation at their own pace and flow. We asked our student leaders in pairs to create a Prezi about different fruits of the spirit. Those links are now on our webpage and can be accessed by anyone who comes across them in a form of guided prayer. As always, they were created with believers and non-believers in mind.
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   on the website allowing people to send in prayer requests. They could do so anonymously or not and were able to leave contact information if they wanted someone to reach out to them about their prayer request. During the 48 hours, the feature was not used quite as much as we had hoped, but it still served the purpose: we were an open door for anyone who saw the page.
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                    Those prayer requests in the past were always taken by the people sitting at the prayer tent. We wanted to continue to allow our students the opportunity to pray over their classmates concerns as well as allow for Kingdom unity on campus across the various ministries. We invited all of the other ministries to join us in being hosts for the tent. We sent out a sign-up sheet so that hour by hour there were people praying. Those people who signed up were also given access to a Google spreadsheet where prayer requests would be gathered from the Google form on the website. Tent hosts would keep track of the prayer requests as they came in and praying for them during their allotted hours.
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                    Our reach grew. The students on campus were now not the only ones who could access our prayer stations and send in prayer requests. It also opened the door to have more people involved in hosting the tent.
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                    During this time of shelter-in-place for many and social distancing, people‘s circles are changing. For many reasons, it is often hardest to share the gospel with those closest to you because they see all of your mistakes and sins. But during this strange season, those are the people we are with constantly. With the institution of something like the virtual prayer tent, it gives people another way to share the gospel with their families at home, and not just for 48 hours. It is safe and it is simple. 
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                    Most everyone wants to be a more loving person, with joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. God’s word speaks for itself. Plus, having someone who is willing to hear your needs and call upon their god for you is something most people do not oppose. And we know that ministry has had to evolve constantly with time. It is flexible and adaptable. But its message is timeless and unchanging: we worship a good God who saves and hears our prayers. So let us pray.
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                    With COVID rising at the same rate of the stay-at-home order, there’s something unexpected that’s also rising in the Church.
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                    The prevailing ministry model assumed a certain content scarce, relationally rich environment. One that our fathers and grandfathers lived in that thought nothing of stopping all the week’s activities to go the church building to hear something from a pastor they could hear nowhere else while enjoying the rich relationships from intact families, decades long work friendships, and a social fabric built on stability, shared experiences, and lots of hugs.
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                    Before COVID there have been a group of different ministry models that have emerged challenging the status quo, each one taking on those assumptions in their own way and trying to address the new reality we find ourselves in.
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                    Our care is forced to be decentralized, our services digitized, our frequency daily…everyone is upping their game, in a good way.
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                    I think we’ll look back on this time and realized Jesus, the master builder, was creating a new Church altogether. COVID didn’t defeat the Church.
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                    Why would we go back when we are reaching more people, more frequently, making more disciples with more scalable development tools…with less overhead.
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                    I talk to our church staff that don’t want to go back. They are awakening their pastoral giftings as they call people and pray with them over the phone and care for people in a personal way that they never thought to do when there was a catch-all Sunday service trying to do all the ministry all at once by a select few once a week.
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                    I talk to parents in our church who are leading their kids spiritually for the first time in their lives and realize, they can do communion, prayer, and pastor their families in their homes like never before. We’re giving them the tools, it’s not that hard, and it’s empowering and exhilarating.
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                    I talk to my fellow pastors who are feeling that video preaching isn’t so bad, in fact it’s kind of nice to edit a sermon to perfection on one side of the spectrum and be real in a daily livestream devotional on the other. It’s more excellent and authentic by being the Church every day. Granted, online communication is a different skill altogether, but we’re figuring it out. 
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                    I’m feeling a rising sentiment that as we experience all the decentralized, daily, digital ministry that’s happening right now as Jesus Church is being deployed, we’re looking around and asking the question, is Jesus building something new? Why would we go back to the old wineskin?
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                    The Church is awakening to the value of relationships and prayer like we haven’t done in a long time. The Church in the COVID crisis is producing more content now than Hollywood and jamming social feeds with hope and I think Jesus is smiling, He’s building His Church and nothing can stop it!!! 
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                    I see a more deployed, unified, scrappy, relational, primal, networked, and personal expression of Jesus Church all around me and it reminds me of what Jesus says toward the end of the Holy Scriptures in Revelation 21:5 "And he (Jesus) who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
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                    Church, I'm proud of you. The challenge of Covid-19 stepped up, and many of you stepped up as well. Coronavirus downed your buildings. 
  
  
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  ). In response to this, many, many of you have started streaming services online. Some of you have been even more aggressive, doing daily devotional broadcasts, writing devotionals... Church, many of you are harkening back to the call of Acts 2, where the Church was in community daily. Covid-19 awoke the desire to be more than one hour on Sunday.
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                    For some of us, it's working! Carey Nieuwhof reports 
  
  
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                    That being said, our people are looking for more than content. Verizon left me shocked: the busiest day of the year for voice calls and texts is Mother's Day, cause who doesn't call their mom on Mother's Day? Well, evidently every day in the Coronavirus season is borderline Mother's Day when it comes to voice calls. 
  
  
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  ? What a concept! That being said, it's not an entirely analog world. 
  
  
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                    Our people are not just looking for content. They're looking for community. We're experiencing 
  
  
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  . In order for us to be effective as a church, we need to recognize God calls us to be more than Netflix. We should have a higher standard than Disney+. Okay, our physical buildings can't hold to the physical standard of Disney World, but we've always said Church is more than a building. Church is the people. And in this Covid-19 situation, people need people?
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  . I've personally talked with pastors and staff around the country as well as those in my backyard. Lots of people are struggling to pastorally lead in this season. Ed's right. It's gotta be addressed. The answer may be better priorities and time management skills...
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                    However, I think part of the problem is that God is revealing in us flaws in our model of church. There is a level here where 
  
  
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  . The "one hour a week" model does not work online, which is why many of you ramped up to do more content... because it's easy to do content. Well, not easy if you're trying to do multiple content pieces a day, seven days a week and in the middle of all of this try to rewrite Easter Sunday, the Superbowl of Church Services... in the midst of a global pandemic. All that and our people are not looking for content only. They are looking for conversation. Which is exhausting due to the size of our organizations! So, what's going to give? How are we going to survive, especially if this is the new normal?
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                    Take a moment and evaluate your church's PHYSICAL MINISTRY on this, but then evaluate your church's DIGITAL MINISTRY to these same pillars. How is your church utilizing these pillars. Is it really effective? Work through this questions on your Physical Church and your Covid-19 Digital Church. Do it. I'll wait...
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                    My gut is that your pillars are similar between PHYSICAL and DIGITAL, because most of us in this COVID-19 season just moved our physical ministry online. Which, given the pressure cooker that March 2020 was, makes sense. 
  
  
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  . Whatever issues you had physically will show up online... only worse! But now that we're past Easter, what if we stopped and re-evaluated our strategy. What if we didn't look at our Digital Church strategy as a mirror image of what we are accomplishing physically, but what if we developed a Digital Church strategy that complemented the work that we are doing physically? Not copying or even replicating... digital complements physical to complete the four pillars mentioned above in a well balanced strategy.
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                    Rather than being a Physical-only church, or a Digital-only church, what if we became a PHYGITAL CHURCH, one that uses Digital to complement Physical? What if this Digital-only experiment we call COVID-19 causes us to realize that the Physical Church on its own may struggle to hold to the standard of these pillars, but with a digital strategy in place your church can thrive, grow and multiply. Yes, multiply.
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      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2020 01:40:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    Each morning as I walk our dog Louie I listen to a message.  Recently I listened to four of my pastor friends from across the country; Brandon Grant of 
  
  
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                    While all of that is true, it is not new, it’s all BCV.  And the paramount importance of the church will continue long after coronavirus.
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                    In this unprecedented season we find ourselves in, we need more churches for the same reasons we always have; the church is the body of Christ, the hope of the world. What the world needs now more than ever is hope and the embodiment of Jesus.
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                    The way the church has pivoted these last couple weeks has been inspiring.  Pastors and leaders are stepping up in powerful and innovative ways in response to the pandemic.  Likewise, Stadia has proactively leaned into our digital and online church experience and is serving as a 
  
  
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   and convener for real time learning and sharing; we are committed to serving the church through coronavirus and beyond!  The stories of how God is at work in and through our church partners are extraordinary. I am so proud of everyone who is responding with hope, being the church.
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                    The church is made for this.  Throughout history we have proactively met needs, spiritual and physical, and responded to challenges in caring and creative ways that embody Jesus’ good news, the Kingdom of God is at hand! Just as the early church was known for and grew through her care for the marginalized in heartbreaking times, the church today can be good news for a terrified and crashing world amid the coronavirus and beyond.
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                    I pray the lessons we learn in and through this crisis long outlive it, prompting us to constantly embody Jesus through word and deed.  Coronavirus is reminding us that the church has always been about more than Sunday.  We’ve always taught discipleship, yet we’ve sometimes struggled to live it throughout the week.  The prophetic Alan Hirsch who previously pointed out “The Forgotten Ways” and “Shaping of Things to Come,” recently noted, “If you want to learn how to play chess, you should start by removing your own queen. Once you’ve mastered the game without the most powerful piece, then put the queen back in and see how good you are! For the church, the Sunday service is our queen. We’ve been relying on it too much. Now that the queen has been taken off the board it’s time to rediscover what all the other pieces can do.” She may not be entirely out of play, but clearly our idol of large gatherings is demonstrating weakness.
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                    The church gathers for connection and to physically serve as an act of worship.  I already long for the presence of the Spirit I most often experience in the company of others.  One takeaway that digital is demonstrating is that content is ubiquitous, connection and community are craved. Yet another lesson from Jesus’ incarnation, physical presence is a crucial aspect of the gospel. We need more churches in order to be with and for one another, as the Trinity is with and for us.  Spiritually, physically, personifying the hope we both need and simultaneously have available to share.  We need more churches to so that more of us can be the church, together for the Kingdom!
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    Church, you should be celebrated. You survived Easter 2020 Church Online. A month ago most of you weren't even broadcasting online, and now you just completed the biggest Sunday of the year. Congratulations!!!
  
    
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    Well, what now? As we continue the learning experience that is this Coronavirus season, there's a word we all need to learn... PHYGITAL: the combination of Physical and Digital. You see, we all know how to do Church Services physically. The Church has been doing physical services for centuries. And now, with Covid-19 staring us in the face, we've figured out how to do a digital church service.
  
    
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                    Today, we stop for a moment and revel in the fact that God, Creator of all things, deemed us, His sinful and rebellious children, worthy enough to pay the ultimate price of death.. 
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                    Today, we celebrate resurrection with family, near and far (far being the key word lately).  
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                    Monday, when we need to spin our engines back up and get into the grind of creating something that furthers the ministry, especially in these trying times.
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                    Monday, when we have to face up to yet more reality that we’re not doing church or really anything like we used to.  
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                    If you’re like me, you are at the end of your rope, creatively.  
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                    You don’t know how you’re going to get through this week, other than to drag yourself into the office (or home office, as the case may be) with yet another cup of coffee, a half-whispered prayer, and a heart to serve that is getting more and more faint with each passing week.
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                    This week, I got home from yet another 12-hour day, this time full of Easter rehearsals and video shoots, and was literally in tears while eating dinner with my wife.  We were watching some of the footage back from the shoot, and the only thing I could think in the midst of the tears was, “I’m so tired.” 
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                    Our skeleton crew of 10-15 people has been churning out content at a near-insane pace.  Live broadcasts 4-6 times each day with worship, teaching, and student/kid programming. Live Sunday services each weekend.  New small groups 5 days a week. Graphics and social media posts and engagement and everything that goes with it.  
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                    We’ve been creating, creating, creating.  New ideas. New concepts. Troubleshooting new issues.  New ways to engage our church.  
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                    And it’s been working!  Our church is coming together in ways that I don’t think any of us would have expected, and that’s a credit to the team around us, but more than that, to the God who assembled the team.
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                    Easter has traditionally been the capstone of the church calendar, for good reason, and this year is no different. In a previous life (see: the 10 years before), I was a worship pastor.  The weeks leading up to Easter were a sprint, but the week after Easter? Glorious refreshment. Vacation and a break. Every year.  
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                    On Easter Sunday, all of those energies were released, and it felt like we could take a breath and be refilled by the Holy Spirit’s recreating power. 
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                    We ground ourselves into the dirt, knowing that our creative energies were eventually going to be refilled.  The light at the end of the tunnel was vibrant.  
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                    Monday is less than 12 hours away.  The light is still just as far away as it was before Easter.  There is no real break. 
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                    And I’m not sure what to create.  
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                    Show of hands: who else is feeling that? 
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                    So what do we do about that?  How do we get refilled and be ready to lead a church again so quickly?  That light will eventually get here, and we’ll all get a true break, but how do we maintain energy levels, moods, and creativity in these times?
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      <pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:41:00 GMT</pubDate>
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  I've been listening to a song called King of Kings, and in it is a line that slays me every time. It says, "For even in Your suffering, You saw to the other side. Knowing this was our salvation, Jesus, for our sake You died."

  
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  The idea of seeing to the other side is one that resonates in a season where we're all still in the middle of a tunnel, with no hint of light shining in from the other end. The practice of writing these blogs each night, even when it feels like there's nothing new to say, is a practice of trying to see to the other side.

  
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  But I don't just like the lyrics because they resonate. I also like them because they remind me of a set of verses in Hebrews that I wrote about a million years ago, in an era of waiting and hoping and trusting and making stupid decisions and asking forgiveness and starting the whole process over, over and over. So, in an effort to be faithful to the hard task of writing each night but also give myself grace to go eat a row of Oreos with my husband, I am borrowing parts of a (now heavily edited and hopefully deeply improved) essay I wrote back then about "the joy set before" Jesus in Hebrews 12.

  
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    "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider Him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart."
  
    
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  As Christ submitted himself to the basest form of death, it was His vision of us, of our appointment to meet with and know Him, that gave Him the desire to persevere. In His moments of suffering on the cross, Jesus saw that the salvation of the world, planned from the very beginning of time, was finally at hand. When He said, “It is finished,” He meant not only His life, but our fruitless striving for salvation we could never reach on our own. The joy set before Him was the ability to give us salvation and to fulfill His Father’s promise to once again set the world right.

  
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  Christ bravely and calmly endured the cross. He did not flee the unjust punishment being brought down upon Him. The cross, at the time, was an execution saved for criminals or political enemies of the state, but Christ "scorned its shame." He didn't concern Himself with the disgrace inherent in His manner of execution, because He loves us. It's that simple. He saw to the other side, and we were there - so He stayed put.

  
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  In the Time of Coronavirus, this is what I should be focusing on - the same Christ who remained and bravely bore hostility against His own physical person. The word for hostility in this context is “antilogia" - against the word (and against the Word.) Christ literally bore open rebellion and opposition against Himself just for the “joy set before Him.” That thought should revive our hearts when they feel too heavy to keep beating.

  
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  When I get lost in my own head, in my fears about this season, in my frustration about its limits, I can turn my eyes from myself and onto Christ. I have the strength to do it because I can think of what Christ bore, of how He emptied the grave of its power for my sake. If in the midst of that pain He could see the other side, I have to believe that the other side is coming.

  
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  Don't forget about the Kids &amp;amp; Students. In the midst of the Coronavirus season, with the pressure of Easter looming, what are we doing with Kids and Student ministry? Like everything else in the church world today, everything is new. All the playbooks, all the strategies are done. While we're reinventing church for adults, don't forget we need to reinvent church for kids and students.

  
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  So don't forget about the kids! Take time to not only figure out how to reach them with content, but with conversation as well.

  
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                    You know when work is going crazy and you get a call that makes you pause? Yeah, I had one of those a couple of weeks ago. My grandpa, a beloved member of our family, had passed away just as some states (including his) were issuing moratoriums on physical funerals. Honestly, I wondered if I could even begin to feel the gravity of losing such an important piece of my life during the COVID season. Even if I could muster up the emotional energy, we couldn’t meet together anyway… or could we? 
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                    After about a day of thinking about the need to honor my grandpa and move forward, I realized there could be a solution. I had been coaching churches to use Zoom for small groups and it was time to listen to my own suggestions.  Why couldn’t we honor my grandpa online? So I went after it. After offering to set up a digital memorial through Zoom, my family thought about it and then came back two days later ready to try it. I had never heard of anyone using this method for this kind of moment in life. It felt like an adventure! Would we cry? Is it possible to feel the weight of the moment online? Is grandma going to figure out how to jump onto a video chat? What happens if the family argues? At the end of the day, our family thought it would be worth it to find out sooner than later. Here are some things I learned along the way.
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                    The greatest value of choosing to go digital was the ability to begin the grieving process on time. It was tempting to hold out for a traditional funeral. But it only hurts the ability to have any closure. What did we have to lose? Going digital didn’t mean we couldn’t meet in person later. Choosing this method meant we could celebrate his life and gain a degree of closure just 5 days after his passing. 
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                    Ok, so I told you my week was on overdrive. I wondered if I would be numb and it would be just another Zoom meeting (because we’re all getting fried right)? Well, it couldn’t have been any better. In fact, I would say the conversation was more focused online. This focus allowed us to laugh, cry, share and even get into the Scripture. The final few verses of 1 Corinthians 15 was incredibly meaningful. To hear my grandma finish the words, “where O death is your sting?” before I could read it is something I will never forget. It was a gospel-centered moment.
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                    When I first suggested this method, I immediately wondered if it was doomed for technology. Out of roughly 15 logged into Zoom, only one required a family member to drive over and spend the time together to make it work. Technology was no barrier for typical funeral or memorial elements. We experienced live music, recorded songs, a slide show and plenty of interpersonal communication. A real highlight was when a family member picked up a guitar on a whim and played an older worship song. Everyone smiled and listened. It was special.
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                    About one minute into the memorial it struck me… one entire side of the family was on screen together at the same time! Like many of you, modern life has seen our family scatter all over the country. Getting together just doesn’t happen as much as it should. I paused and soaked it all in. Many family members did the same. I could see them pause and just look at everyone. It was a profound moment. Maybe we should have been doing something like this all along as a family? I think so. It didn’t cost anything and wasn’t dependent on travel. I loved it. It wasn’t quite a hug with my grandma, but it was special in its own way. We will always remember it as one of those special and unscripted life moments. No doubt, it saved the day!
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                    There is a ‘new normal’ and none of us have any idea what it is going to be like. Welcome to the world of every missionary and church planter in the first 18 months. Everything is changing really quickly and every thing feels new.
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                    For many, this COVI-19 pandemic has come as a shock to your way of being and doing. It feels like a hurricane came through, uprooted and knocked every tree over. This may be God’s way of uprooting His church in order to replant it; to take her back to her roots. It is no secret that the church in the US has been in decline for some time; for various reasons (we will not address them here). What we will address in this blog is the how we can take this opportunity of this ‘shock to the system’ in order to hit reset on our church and be replanted for the coming season of ‘new normal.’
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                    Strong winds from thunderstorms, tornadoes and other severe weather often uproot and topple trees. After major storms, the sounds of chainsaws are heard throughout the neighborhood as emergency workers and homeowners cut up downed trees. Wind-thrown trees are believed to be the result of poorly distributed roots from soil or climactic factors that restricted root growth on one side or another, or inadequately developed root systems because of generally poor growing conditions.
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                    If winds have uprooted a large old tree, the tree generally can't be saved and removal is your only option. Righting a large toppled tree would require a crane or other heavy equipment to lift the tree. Even if you successfully right the tree, it would still present a toppling hazard because of the damage done to the anchoring root system that holds the tree upright. Big trees rarely survive after being righted because of the loss of roots that nourish the tree.
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                    If there is something that COVID-19 has taught us is that if we refuse to change and adapt, it will only be a matter of time. All churches become established through a combination of charismatic leadership, facilities, leadership, and time. All of that was uprooted and exposed in the last few days. Without a clear end in sight on when we can gather again on Sundays, this may be the chance for the church to get back to her roots.
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                    If you answered nothing needs to start or stop, watch our for the whole, there’s a root that’s exposed and you are about to fall into it. There is a strategy gap, operational systems gap, or financial development gap that you are about to fall into.
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                    Trees may be righted and saved if most of the roots remain unexposed in the soil. First, cover the exposed roots right away to keep them from drying out. Then dig out the soil beneath the exposed root mass and cut off the protruding shattered roots to allow the tree to be returned to the vertical position. Lift the tree up and fill in the area around the damaged roots with soil, and water thoroughly to eliminate air pockets and settle the soil. Prune off cracked or broken branches. Support the tree by driving three stakes or anchors into firm ground around the tree and use guy wires to tie the trunk to the anchors. Spread mulch around the trunk to preserve soil moisture and check the tree for stability each year.
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                    Well, the roots of the church are exposed today and everyone is aware. We can’t just pretend and throw some dirt on it. There’s no telling how long this season will last and things may dry up faster than we think. In order to lift the church up again, some roots may need to be cut off, broken branches may need to be pruned and the 3 anchors (strategy/operational systems/financial development) need to be reevaluated and then deeply dug into firm ground.
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                    Which branch needs to be evaluated? Which root needs to be checked? Which anchor needs to be monitored, tweaked, or changed altogether in order to be ready for the ‘new normal’? Let me ask it this way:
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                    Most fallen trees (churches) will stay alive after the fall, for a little while. But you know it’s on the ground, broken, exposed, and dying. It is not supposed to stay that way. The good news is, everyone has been uprooted at the same time, which means we have the opportunity to be replanted and positioned for effectiveness and impact this next ministry season.
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                    Your church, small and large, is uniquely positioned to impact your community today and the coming weeks/months. If you have never thought through these concepts or want to process them together, I would be happy to jump on a zoom call and chat through the unique dynamics of your church and the opportunity ahead.
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                    I still remember sitting in my 9th grade science class. I remember the old desks, the blinds discolored from age and sunlight, and the green and off-white tile floor. My teacher, Mr. McGraw, turned on the TV while saying, “Remember this moment. Someday, your kids are going to ask you where you were when 9/11 happened. You’ll be shocked how you remember every detail.”
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                    He was right. I remember everything.
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                    Now, here I am, 33 years old and living through another time in history that my kids will someday ask, “What were you doing during the coronavirus pandemic?”
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                    My oldest child is 5.5 years old, so she may have vague memories of this time. But my youngest… my youngest child is 19 weeks young, still in the safety of my belly. While we are still wondering if we’re having a boy or girl, someday this same child will be assigned in history class to interview someone who lived through COVID-19. He or she will ask what the world was like at this time, how we passed our time, were we scared… The same questions my generation asked when we were assigned projects interviewing Vietnam Veterans. It’s a strange phenomenon to know you are watching history unfold.
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                    I wonder if others knew they were watching history unfold when it was happening? Did the followers of Malcolm and Martin know their social movement would be discussed for years to come? Did Rosie the Riveter, whoever she may be, know she would become an icon for working women everywhere? Did Esther know her winning a beauty competition would place her at a time in history that would be read, studied, and learned from thousands of years later?
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                    There is no way of knowing which moments in our lives will become imprinted on those in our immediate surroundings and which will fade into the background. But, what we can confidently know is that the lives of those who have come before us are there to be learned from and applied so we can do better for those we are leading with every decision we make.
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                    Take the life of Esther, for example. Will most of us ever find ourselves summoned by a king, judged for our beauty, and brought to live the rest of our lives in a palace of misogyny, gluttony, and polygamy? No. Most likely not.
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                    However, Esther’s story is so much more. Esther finds herself quarantined unless summoned to flaunt her beauty, unable to directly communicate with her family, and without any freedoms she has previously known in her life. She lives a life entirely uprooted from all she has known.
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                    The beginnings of the transition prove tough for Esther. She’s unsure how to handle herself and she plays by the rules because that seems the best way to survive. Aren’t we all a little like this? We follow what we are told as we find our footing, but get a little braver once we are familiarized with the situation.
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                    Then, suddenly everything makes sense. Esther’s placement is given purpose and all she’s endured fades away as she sees a bigger picture. The most famous verse in Esther’s story are the words of Mordecai encouraging her, “Who knows if perhaps you are here for such a time as this?”
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    Esther learns the unbeatable combination of careful planning, well-placed boldness, and faith in God.
  
  
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                    Esther’s story of separation from the life she’s always known becomes one of purpose, bravery, and victory. We see spiritual disciplines that lead to direction from the Lord, courage that brings freedom, and hardened hearts turned from selfish desires to obedience.
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                    Will this be the story of our experiences with 2020’s COVID-19? Maybe not. Or maybe so.
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                    Church, perhaps we are here for such a time as this… A time to learn the disciplines of silence and sabbath. A forced time to wrestle with the thoughts we’ve pushed to the back of our minds. A pause in our busyness to re-discover what true connectivity is and to value things we have taken for granted. A forced time without the gatherings we’ve at times complained about, but in their absence have come to appreciate. A time to silence our inner-critics and take up gratitude and thankfulness.
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                    As church planters and leaders, the gatherings we’ve always known have come to a crashing halt. Overnight, our worship strategies were turned upside-down and our theology of community is on trial. We are at a time in church history that is exposing our resilience as followers of Christ and changing how future generations will interact with the Church for years to come. The scattered Church of Acts led to one of the fastest growing religious movements in all of history. What will be the story of the scattered church in 2020?
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                    When I’m choosing how to spend this strange time in history, my strongest consideration is how I want to one day answer questions from my children. Do I want to tell my kids that I let fear make my decisions or that I made the most of my time? Do I want to tell my kids that I looked out for myself or that I did my best to love our community, too? Do I want to tell my kids that I discovered how weak my faith in God actually was or that I learned to cling to Jesus more tightly than ever?
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                    Will I find purpose like Esther? Spiritual growth like the early church? Is contentment in the Lord be enough for me?
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                    My time in isolation may not result in something as epic as MLK Jr.’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail or the story of Esther, but the decisions I am making today can and will impact my tomorrow.
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                    I don’t know how to live quarantine flawlessly, but I am committed to doing my best at living it intentionally.
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                    Well, Church, we’re a month into this whole Covid-19 Pandemic here in the US. Let me just say up front, I’m proud of you. Church Online Platform has reported onboarding 22,000+ churches onto their platform. Zoom reportedly grew from 10 million accounts to 200 million accounts, and many of those are churches and groups, moving easily onto the new platform. There has literally been so much Internet traffic on Sundays that the Church broke the Internet several times in March 2020. (Fortunately, Palm Sunday was mostly stable as platforms held up their end of the bargain. Let’s see what happens Easter Sunday.) All of this content is helping the church do something it’s struggled to do since Acts 2. (Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts… Acts 2:46).
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                    Church, I’m watching you. While watching, honestly, I’m learning from you. Don’t mean to give you the creepy Rockwell (I always feel like somebody’s watching me) vibe right now, but for years I’ve been advocating for the church to create content seven days a week. In this season of Covid-19, seeing the content come in so quickly has been rewarding. That being said, take this lesson I’m learning in real time. We, as a culture in Coronavirus season, are on content overload, while at the same time being conversation scarce.
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                    Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime… we’ve got content all over the place. Even resources like Right Now Media give you access to thousands of hours of bible studies and content from some of the most popular pastors and speakers around the country. (They’re even giving some content away for free in this Covid-19 season). Content is an excellent way to get information to your head. TED Talks are 18 minute educational talks meant to be informational. Content can challenge established norms. Content is not the way to get information into your heart. That takes a different approach.
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                    The more technology we use, the more cold/distant/impersonal our communication will become. This fact leads us to a primary lesson with online content: as important as the content is, it’s not the most effective way to communicate online. With Church Online today, we have an opportunity to engage in two-way communication, not just one-way. Content is one-way communication. Watch this video. Read this devotional. Attend this online service. These forms of content are not engaging. They are not leading us to two-way communication. And, as much fun as Chat Rooms are during online services, or even social media, these are a step in the right direction, but they are not your final solution. 
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                    Pastor, in this Covid-19 season, encourage your staff to get into two-way conversation with your church. Personally call every person in the database (utilize staff and volunteers to help). Ask how they’re handling the Covid-19 season, or maybe what God is teaching them in this season of difficulty. Write snail-mail thank you notes to high level volunteers. Schedule Zoom meetings with entire staff and volunteer departments to celebrate. Create Whatsapp threads allowing ministry departments to communicate with each other. Use Apps like 
  
  
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                    In this Coronavirus season, I’ve got all the content I need, and when I run out there’s always Tiger King on Netflix. I don’t need content. I need relationships. It’s easy to forget that we, the Church, are in the people business. And in this new, post Coronavirus culture coming up… the Church will need to remember how to be in the people business.
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                    The best part of all of these two-way conversations is that you, Pastor/Church Staff person, get to listen. Take this season to improve your listening skills. Be a better leader by learning to listen on a deeper level. Truthfully, we as a church can’t predict where people are in this season of Covid-19. Rather than assuming we have the answer, let’s stop and pause.
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                    On Dec. 26th, 2004, an earthquake over 9 points on the Richter scale hit near the province of Aceh, Indonesia. This led to several tsunami waves that destroyed thousands of homes and killed 100’s of thousands of people. My wife and I were living right outside this province when this happened where we had been reaching out to the IDP (internally displaced people) from Aceh. We had actually lived in this province a few years earlier, and we had many friends that lived in this area when the earthquake and tsunami hit.
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                    There was actually a civil war going on during this time and the government was not allowing any foreigners to go into the province, so we lived just outside.  However, 4 days after the tsunami I was able to go to a government office and get special permission to enter the province to bring in food and supplies and locate our friends who survived.
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                    At Echo church we are now completely re-orienting ourselves to respond to our new reality in the wake of COVID-19. We don’t know how long this will last, and we want to make sure we are found faithful to living out bold faith in these days.
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                    There are three key things here. Continue to feed on God’s word, don’t just read it.  For those who didn’t grow up in the church I use the word feed because it creates the picture that the Scriptures are providing nourishment that I need much like food. Some of us who have been Christians for a while have learned the nourishing habit of reading Scripture daily, but what can happen at times is that it becomes something to “check off” your to-do list.  Instead it should be read for spiritual growth, daily guidance and truth (many times helping us put circumstances in the right perspective). It is so important. 
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                    Another important practice during this time is worship. This includes listening to music with lyrics that bring out praise to our God. Sing it out in defiance to the many lies you may be hearing and believing. Also pray. Take time daily to bring all things in prayer. Maybe get a journal and begin to write out your prayers. Some of us need that help to stay focused in prayer. Remember to NOT neglect these regular practices that keep you connected to your most important relationship, your relationship with God.
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                    I spent weeks after the tsunami running on adrenaline. It is not a pretty picture when you can no longer do that. Take care of your physical needs. You will be tempted to turn back to some eating or maybe drinking habits you may have already conquered. Eat right. Eat healthy, and don’t give in to the temptation to eat that handful of Fritos that will bring only temporary pleasure. Your body over the long run will thank you and you have the energy you need to keep focused on the ministry God gives you during this time.
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                    Find a trusted friend you can process with. In ministry we sometimes try to put on a strong positive face, but we need to have time to process the emotions we are struggling with. It would make sense to feel anxiety, anger, maybe even despair. You may need someone to talk through them. Don’t fake it. That will eventually catch up with you.
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                    This is a historic moment. All of us will look back and remember how this coronavirus time changed our lives. There will be a pre-coronavirus and a post-coronavirus time. Be courageous for the long haul. Don’t just get through this. Live in it now. Be present each and every day. You do not want to look back on this time and see missed opportunities. God is not asleep. He is expanding His kingdom, and we can join him in that. Let’s not look back on this time with any regrets.
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                    Most of us are stuck in our homes in close proximity to our kids with very little means of escape. My advice is:  don’t just survive this time. Make great moments! What will your kids remember when they look back on this time? Be intentional.
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                    With everything you are doing in church and ministry, make sure you include others. This should always be a practice, but we have to be even more intentional during this time. Do NOTHING alone. Always ask the question, who can do this with me? Who can help me? Who is actually better at this than you are?
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                    There is a long ministry story around this from my time serving after the tsunami. The short of it is we had hundreds of volunteers that were coming from the US. However, we also had local Indonesians coming to serve as well. We were so overwhelmed with the volunteer teams coming from the US that we lost the opportunity to partner with local Indonesians and Indonesian churches. It was a massive missed opportunity. God did bless us with a large Indonesian team, but we always regretted missing out on the Indonesian volunteers in that initial time. Don’t miss this opportunity to equip/activate those in our church that are ready to serve.
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                    This may look differently for each of you.  Determine what a sabbath day would look like for you that truly feeds your soul.  Make it one that starts your week off filled with the Spirit and clarity for your week.  Plan a day filled with practices that fill you with the power you need to serve for that week.
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                    These are eight things I wish someone had sat me down and said to prioritize. I would not have burned out around month four. I would not have missed precious opportunities. I would not look back at that time with regret. Learn from my mistakes as you and your church respond to the covid-19 crisis.
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                    Easter is here, and it’s going to be online. Pastor, you can do this. Breathe deep. Let’s go. Here’s some tips that can help you along your way.
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                    With all this high tech involved in the church today, we definitely need some high touch. Inviting people to share a service on social media is a big win any week, not just on Easter week. That being said, a social media share is equivalent to seed tossed on a worn-down path. Church, want to throw seed on moist soil? Get your people to personally invite… In this socially-distant world we live in today, the physical interaction we get… even from zoom or a phone call… means more today than ever before. A high touchpoint like a two-way conversation will go a far way showing we care.
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                    I’m really surprised more churches don’t take advantage of this. My 9 &amp;amp; 11 year old kids are watching the same Church Online service I am. How great would it be to include them in the service, at some point, speak to them directly? I don’t want blow up Bob the Tomato &amp;amp; Larry the Cucumber to walk out onstage (necessarily), but acknowledge the presence of the people in the room. As families worship together, be aware there are more people engaging on each device than ever before. Can a micro-shift of your service go a big way in engaging more people?
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                    Knowing Creatives, even with the curveball of the “Easter Online” coming so late into the season of planning, I am sure all of the services will be creative! I for one am looking forward to seeing all the creativity in all these online services this Easter. That being said, realize that the wow factor, even in this unique season we’re in, really isn’t as important as the authenticity of who you are. Pageantry and overdramatizations are successful in large and small venues, but what you’ve probably realized by now is that these are not things that work online.
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                    The biggest challenge to your Easter weekend is NOT the lack of a venue… it’s the lack of a lobby to meet, greet, handshake, hug, and pray in. Chat Rooms can be effective, but not everyone wants to chat! Figure out ways to engage people in two-way communications in different ways. Facebook Groups are a great way to get people to engage in two way communication after the service. Plus, all these YouTube, TV App, Mobile App viewers can have a place to congregate for community.
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                    Do a post-service debrief with your pastor, digital pastor, or worship leader in the facebook group and use the exclusive content to pull people into the Facebook Group/Lobby, and then from there, pull people into prayer. Make the post-service lobby an experience… but don’t forget to mention the experience often in the service. Work hard to push your attenders towards the Facebook Group.
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                    Let me tell you a story. Holy Week 2011 was one of the low points in my ministry life. Wife sick at home with two kids under the age of three, and still I managed to work a 98 hour work week. Truthfully, one of the worst weeks of my life, what came as a result was a product that brought honor to God, but didn’t honor God. Shortly thereafter came the realization that my wife really didn’t love me and my kids no longer knew my name. As busy as this season is, prayerfully establish and know where those boundaries are.
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                    One thing that our entire family was blessed with knowing where “one” is. “One” in the case of music is the starting of a new measure or section.  We can screw up our lyrics, our strumming patterns, our drum fills, but we always could just 
  
  
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                    In the last month, most of us have had our lives turned...well, what’s worse than upside-down?  Inside-out?  
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                    My family has been tossed around.  No more typical Sunday routines. No more work for my wife.  No more school or youth group for my kids. No more track meets or baseball games or guitar lessons or hanging out at the park.  
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  if this is one of the busiest seasons of life you've ever experienced, if you could count the hours you've spent AWAY from your computer in fractions, or if you've had meetings/calls that seem to push you further away from your mission.
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                    So what do we do about that?
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                    We need a reset.  We need to find where “one” is again.  We need to feel the music again.
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                    Because, Biblically, what happens when the people of God reset?
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                    YOU need to reset.  To take a break. To not flail around, but to pause, wait a beat or two, and then enter the song again on “one.”  
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                    If not for your own sake, then for the sanity of your family or your church.
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                    Please, take today or tomorrow or one day in the next week.  Sleep in a little. Eat. Go for a walk or a run outside. Enjoy a cup of coffee.  Play with your kids. Read a stinking book.
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                    Rest.  Recover.  Take a break.  Your church is going to be there when you get back.  Your scheduling of premieres, cutting of videos, answering emails, Zoom meetings, and Instagram DMs...they will all be there.
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                    You’re going to find that your life will slowly return to “One.”  Is it going to be playing the same song as before?  
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                    Absolutely not.
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      <title>How Pastors can Pivot for Discipleship and Community in a Distributed World</title>
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                    In the last few weeks, we’ve seen a significant change in how the church uses digital platforms for gathering communities together. In the months to come, the question I’ve been asking myself is, “How far back will the pendulum swing?” My prayer is that the church embraces technology for the long haul and doesn’t just go back to business as usual. Here’s 3 simple ways to embrace tech as a part of your church’s discipleship and community building.
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  1. Continue live streaming your services.

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   your church are looking for answers. If the number of viewers we are seeing for church streaming today is any indication, there are a significant number of people looking for answers that don’t regularly go to church. Some of them will find hope and healing in your services and will want to connect for the long haul. Don’t make it hard. Don’t shift the relationship expectations. You’ve already figured out how to live stream. Just keep doing it.
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                    Churches are content and connection engines. How many times have you finished preparing for a sermon and left hours of great content on the cutting room floor? It doesn’t have to be polished production but taking 10-15 minutes 1-2 days a week to expand on the sermon, answer questions that you received, or having a conversation with another person about the sermon content on camera can be a great opportunity to create conversation throughout the week. Go live, post a video you recorded on your phone, whatever you are comfortable with and have the time for. Post it. Encourage comments and questions and then answer them promptly.
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                    People are busy but people are looking for connections with others. Provide the technology to allow your leaders to facilitate online small groups. Conferencing software like Zoom, Jitsi, Google Meet, and Talky.io allow time-strapped members to meet with others online weekly. Encourage a once a month face-to-face meeting. Purchase digital versions of small group curriculums that can serve the whole church.
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      <pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2020 00:49:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
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      <title>Best Practices for Life and Relationships in Digital Spaces</title>
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    Healthy discussion, prayer and spiritual formation using mediated technology.
  
  
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                    There is no complete substitute for relationships in real spaces. We are ultimately made for proximity and for touch. Yet, we live in a unique moment in time that allows for connection to family and friends that can be a rich and meaningful gift. And in a time of social distancing, digital space is a wonderful tool.
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                    Powerful, meaningful and satisfying relationships can happen using a variety of video tools. We have to remember, however, that sharing digital space is NOT the same as sharing the same physical space. To use these tools well, you all will need to be deliberate. We all need to moderate ourselves a bit – adjust how we might normally engage conversation as a gift to others. This adjustment is a gift of love and care to your community, and ultimately a gift for yourself.
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                    Digitally mediated relationships can be fantastic, but you will need to be purposeful. Here are some things to consider as you engage digitally:
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                    Lack of focus is biggest mistakes I see is that when people are in a digital meeting or conversation. People feel alone and so they do things they would not normally do in a physically live conversation. People get up and move around, go for walks, get something from the refrigerator, let the dog out and even go to the bathroom!!! 
  
  
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                    It is not that you are never interrupted in live conversation, but these things are particularly disruptive on video. Digital relationships require a bit more focus.
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                    Your digital meeting will foster healthy relationship as you give appropriate attention. Put your phone away. Don’t text others. Don’t be typing or doing other work. You would not do that in a live meeting – so honor people in digital spaces the same way.
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                    You will love and care for others well, if you give attention to the space you will be in before your digital conversation. Here are some things to consider:
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                    Prayer in digital space can been deeply meaningful. Many of the practices that foster good conversation will also foster meaningful prayer.
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                    Once you have become more comfortable with the tools, the use of pauses and pace, other forms of prayer are certainly possible. Ultimately any kind of prayer you can do in live space can be done in digital space. And a good rule of thumb is to remember that if you would not do something in live space, it will probably not work in digital space.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2020 13:13:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    It took a global pandemic to break the church. Not God's Church, mind you. But the more prevalent model of church found in America today. All these buildings? Done. Is God bothered by this? Nah. After all, God's church was never a building. Try to find the building the church of Ephesus met in? Corinth? Good luck. Cause the New Testament Church was never about a building. God's church was never about a building.
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                    Regardless of buildings, in the midst of Coronavirus, the Church - the Bride of Christ - is resilient.
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                    Why did God orchestrate Coronavirus? Revelation 1 speaks of God being the "first and the last". If this is true, He is in the midst of Covid-19. Romans 13 tells us that all authority is established by God, so how far away are we from saying that the calls to be on lockdown and stay socially distant are directed from Him? Jesus himself says in Matthew 6 for us to seek first God, and not to worry about tomorrow. Because God is in control.
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                    The buildings we've built for our houses of worship are locked down. Our temples are useless. The typical church model is broken, temporarily. And while some may be discouraged in this season, strangely, I'm not. God is not surprised by our current status. What if, and this may be crazy, what if He orchestrated Covid-19 to prove a point? Anybody remember that time the God tore the temple veil to prove a point (Matthew 27)? I'm telling you, man is constantly about building altars, buildings, physical monuments to God. After all, man looks at outward appearance. God has other priorities (I Samuel 16).
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                    What's the lesson in Coronavirus? I don't know, nor would I even attempt a guess and insult the all-knowing God. But what I do know is that in the midst of Coronavirus, and coming out of this socially distant season... our church... our economy... our culture... literally our world will change. It's already changing before our eyes. Day by day. Hour by hour almost. We will not return back to status quo. Pastor, please hear me. The world you lived in February 2020 is gone. It will never come back. We need to think differently. And that's okay. Because God is thinking differently too.
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                    Our model of church, in its broken state, is being humbled before God... patiently waiting to be put back together by God for His purposes in his timing. By the way, if God is behind this and has broken the church, why would he put it back together exactly like it was before? The whole reason to be broken before God is to be reshaped by God. Why would God break us only to rebuild us exactly the way we were? There's a newness in this season. A new creation is in our midst, in our church, waiting to give birth.
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                    Jesus in typical fashion, brings it home.
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                    Simply put, Church, if God has broken us... and in the breaking process we're seeking after Him... then He's rebuilding us, His Church, in new ways. Let's humbly be ready with new wineskins for the new wine He's bringing. Be ready in this season when the new wine presents itself. And above all else, in this season, humbly seek God.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2020 06:31:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    At first glance this might seem negative. After all we are told in Hebrews 10:25 to not neglect meeting together because we need encouragement from one another. Thankfully, we live in a very different time than when the book of Hebrews was written. We have so many ways of meeting together today without being in physical proximity. The church does not have to gather in a building to be the church! In fact, this is an unprecedented time to
  
  
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                    A religious and legalistic spirit says that things must be just so in order to be right. What if this virus could sicken a spirit of religion and instead fuel a spirit of freedom and creativity and love? Maybe getting out of our buildings on Sundays is actually the best thing that has happened to us. Perhaps God is using it “for
  
  
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      <title>PODCAST 059: Ben Stapley &amp; Church Communication During Coronavirus</title>
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    You know that playbook you had? The strategy that you built for your church? For the foreseeable future it's trash. Not to mention, when the dust settles on this COVID-19 season, I don't think we'll recognize the world we'll see.
  
    
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                    Prayer walking doesn’t initiate God’s work. Rather, it cultivates in us an awareness of God’s loving presence and Kingdom purposes in our neighborhood. As the Dutch theologian Abraham Kuyper observed, “there is not a square inch in the whole domain of our human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign over all, does not cry, Mine!”
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                    Most simply, as you walk, talk with God about what you see, including the specific places and residences and people. Ask him to give you eyes to see beyond the surface and into the spiritual realities. Call to mind what you know from the Scriptures about God’s heart for the world and ask for those things. It’s easy to prayer walk with a partner, just pray out loud conversationally as you walk. Before you begin, you may want to read Eph 6:10-20, 1 Tim 2:1-10, Eph 1:17-18, Rom 8:18-30, or Ps 46.
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                    This recent crisis has revealed a struggle for a lot of leaders. They don’t know how to lead their creatives. When I say creatives I’m talking about them all - copywriters, videographers, photographers, illustrators, graphic designers and social media managers. In the past, staff and volunteers with these talents did their thing in the background while the organization kept humming along. But this Coronavirus season has thrown them into the spotlight because of increased demands for rapid communication.
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                    Below are some best practices to help you lead creatives during a time of crisis. I’ve utilized these best practices while on staff with organizations of 5, 50 and 500. So regardless of your organization's size, these practices will apply to you. I’ll talk into this topic from both perspectives. Cause I’ve been in both seats. I’ve been led as a creative and I’ve led creatives. So I see this issue from each side of the fence. Let's jump it.
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                    Nothing depletes an organization like movement without direction. This applies for creatives as well. Because of this it is always best to give clear instructions upfront. Knowing the purpose, timeline, target audience, distribution method &amp;amp; desired outcome upfront sets everybody up for success. Another way I give clear instructions to creatives on a new project is by identifying if I’m looking for inspiration or execution. Inspiration means, I’m not sure what I want, so I’ll give you a very rough framework and then come back at me with a number of ideas or pitches. Execution means exactly that, I want you to execute this one idea, so no need going into brainstorming mode. Another way to say this is either execute an idea or create some concepts. When creatives have this clarity upfront, it helps them avoid wasting their time by developing unneeded concepts.
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                    Creatives thrive on this. If you give your creative praise, they'll work with you for a while. If you don’t give your creative praise, they’ll look for someone else to work with. I can attest to this personally. One of the first jobs I had as a creative was for a leader that was never satisfied. I was contracted to work 40 hours a week. But since I wasn’t earning the approval of my boss, I bumped it up to 45. Then 50. Then 55. When I hit 60 hours a week in a thankless environment, I started looking for another job. And it wasn’t the hours that did me in, it was the lack of praise. So leaders, don’t push creatives away because of something so simple as praise. Generously give it to your creatives and it will increase the longevity of your work relationship.
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                    When Peter Jackson, the acclaimed director of the Lord Of The Rings trilogy was asked if he got it perfect he said, "No. You never get it perfect. You just run out of time." If this award winning director, was able to be comfortable with the lack of perfection after spending a decade of his life on this movie, then we should be willing to as well as we look for newsletters to get designed or webpages to get updated. So when you are leading your creatives, set the high standard of excellence but not the unrealistic standard of perfection. This will help them reach for lofty goals, but not feel deflated with the realities of shortcomings.
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                    A lot of frustration for a creative can come during the feedback process. Unless properly guided, a creative may feel attacked during this process. I usually like to start any feedback session by reinforcing we are critiquing their work, and not them as individuals. Stating this upfront helps remove a degree of the emotions naturally embedded in the process. Another way to coach your creative to handle criticism well is by encouraging them to solicit community feedback before client feedback. Sometimes the creative may have an inaccurate view of their work. They repeatedly think it is great when it is repeatedly mediocre or subpar. If this is the case, encourage them to present their work in an online community of artists in the same field and ask for feedback. Facebook has a ton of these communities. Either their misconceptions as the creative, or your misconceptions as the leader will be cleared up. Either way, it will bring clarity to the work which will increase forward movement.
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                    I work in a religious setting so this might not apply to you. But if it does, keep reading. Remember that creatives want to proclaim Christ just as much as the Lead Pastor does. I mention this because sometimes the leader is seen as extra spiritual because they have the word “pastor” in their title. But just because they are the leader doesn’t make them more spiritual, or any less. The whole reason creatives are using their talents within the church, either as a volunteer or staff member, is because they love Jesus. Talented creative folks with experience have a unique skill set and could often be earning double working outside of the church. They want to make that sacrifice because of their love for Christ.  So remember that creatives love Jesus too.
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                    COVID-19 has broken precedence with its highly contagious nature and ability to spread so quickly across the world. We have never seen anything like this. Yet I cannot help but think, there is one thing that should spread faster than the Coronavirus: the Gospel.
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                    There has been so much focus on preparing for the Coronavirus and churches have scrambled to ensure that church services stream uninterrupted. The call for social distancing and home-lockdown has caused us to be more isolated than we ever have before. 
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                    However, regardless of the pandemic at hand, the church has always risen to meet challenges by giving more Gospel, not less.  Truly, the answer is not more church services online, but more Gospel saturation, and has there ever been a time in recent history when people needed good news more than now?
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                    Social distancing may change the way we share the Gospel, but it should not change the fact that we share it.  Here are eight ways that you can continue to share the Gospel during the Coronavirus epidemic.
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                    There are thousands of families in need right now.  We are all well aware that the elderly or feeble are most susceptible to the worst effects of COVID-19. Call your neighbor and ask if they need groceries. Spring is here and the grass is growing again -- mow your neighbor’s yard for them. Practice proper distancing practices when serving, but showing love during this time is sure to land a conversation in which you can tell them why you are doing this: your hope is Jesus and as a follower of Jesus you do what he did -- serve people regardless of the circumstances.
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                    Also remember, one of the best ways to love your neighbors right now is to practice the guidelines medical experts have given.
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                    People are most likely on social media more than ever as they stay at home. People are getting bored and constantly turning to Facebook, instagram, Snapchat, and Tiktok to cure their boredom. What would it look like to be that one weird person on social media that takes this opportunity to encourage others rather than spread fear? Why not share a personal testimony on social media, explaining that though you are taking the suggested precautions regarding the Coronavirus, you are not living in fear, because, “God gave us not a spirit of fear but of power and love and self-control” (2 Timothy 1:7). Salvation is more than security after death, it is hope now.
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                    I’m sure people are on their phones more than ever, but I wonder how many people are using their phones for God’s glory right now. I went through my contacts the other day to find everyone I knew who was in the medical profession, sent them a text letting them know I was praying for them -- regardless of whether they follow Christ or not. There are hundreds, maybe even thousands of contacts in your phone. You have extra time now. Call them. Text them. FaceTime them. Let your phone be an instrument of God’s glory and a conduit for the Gospel during this time.
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                    Did you know there are tons of free video conferencing available during this time? A quick Google search will provide you plenty of options to do so. A friend of mine decided to start a COVID-19 support group. She hosts a video chat a few times a week and anyone is invited. When they log on, she just talks to them and asks everyone to find things to be thankful for during this time and ways to encourage others. It feels normal to anyone, regardless of whether they are a believer or not. However, she always prays for others and shares the Gospel with them. Do you remember how nearly the entire country turned to prayer after 9/11? What makes you think people would be any less resistant now. People are scared. Offer support, encouragement, virtual engagement, prayer, and the Gospel.
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                    Everyone has a unique gift that they do not get to spend a lot of time doing. Some people are wood craftsmen. Some can sew or knit. Some can draw or paint very well. Some are just amazing encouragers. Whatever your gift is, use it with the extra time right now and use it spread joy to others. Use it as a conduit of the Gospel. If you wood burn frequently, why not mail a wood plaque to someone who is having a hard time with a Bible verse engraved on it? If you sing, why not record a video of you singing a Gospel song on social media, or have a porch concert as we have seen some do in Italy.
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                    This sounds weird, but did you know some of the tightest knit and fast growing communities in the world are already in virtual spaces? Video game servers are hosts to millions of people from across the world that have never met in real life, but become great friends by playing games together. So go ahead, download Fortnite and go crazy. There will be thousands of opportunities to share the Gospel with people through these games.
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                    Few things are as special now as handwritten notes sent via snail mail. In a world where people can call or text others whenever they would like, hand-written cards sent through the mail is a lost art. What time is better than now to restart this tradition? No one hates getting cards in the mail. Not only will it encourage others, but why not share the Gospel with them, or at least invite them to talk about the hope you have during these trying times.
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                    I hope we are all spending some of the extra time we have in prayer. Yet, as the grocery stores have struggled to maintain certain food staples, it seems like an opportune time to fast. Starting to run low on food and don’t want to make the trip to the grocery store yet? Fast for a day or more. Ask God to give you opportunities to share the Gospel. I prayed this prayer the other day and a friend I have not heard from in awhile texted me soon after asking questions about my faith. Maybe he would have texted anyway, but I think prayer had something to do with it!  
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                    These are unique times, but they are no reason we should stop sharing the Gospel. So go forth in the appropriate ways and make disciples. May many be able to say in years to come, “I became a Christian during the Coronavirus.”
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    How do we broadcast our church service online? By far this is the most popular question the church is asking in this Coronavirus season. While it's a valid question to ask, for me a much more interesting question is: How do we stay on mission? Better yet, in this new Coronavirus Season, has our mission, has our methods, changed?
  
    
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 01:28:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
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      <title>Four Tips for Training Up Good Online Small Group Leaders</title>
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                    I want to talk about the fact that Zoom is changing the way we do life.
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                    My 3 kids are all going to be using Zoom starting next week for their distance learning. Every business in the world has been going to Zoom for virtual meetings. It’s an incredibly useful tool.
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                    And churches everywhere have started to use Zoom for their small groups. Living their group life online.
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                    This is an astounding turn of events for a lot of churches that were on the fence about “digital discipleship.”
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                    But all of those groups still need leaders. Because I’m just one person. And so are you. And even if you see the necessity to connect people in groups, you can’t lead every group each week.
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                    Over the past few weeks, we’ve seen an uptick in the want to virtually volunteer. People that were once able to come to the church building no longer can do so.
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                    So, church leader, it’s time to use that uptick to fill out your ministries and to connect people to Jesus.
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                    Don’t just look for a warm body who can “fill a spot.” If God truly did make us a “body” (spoiler: He did), then there are certain people who are MADE to be group leaders. Find them.
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                    And make that expectation match the church’s expectation for groups. An online small group is just like a regular small group. So if your church sees groups as outreach, great.
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                    Let your leaders know what you’re wanting from them. It’s a lot easier to play in a sandbox with defined walls than it is a beach where the options are limitless.
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                    Just because you’re on a webcam doesn’t mean that people can’t pick up on the clues that you’re not paying attention. Train your leaders to make eye contact, even if it’s on a screen, to not follow distractions. Trust me, this is HUGE in group life, and it shows that your leaders actually CARE.
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                    It’s the least important thing in all of this. The heart of the leader, their ability to be in touch with the Holy Spirit while leading a group, and their ability to listen are all SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than knowing how to use the “mute all” button (although, trust me, that’s very important).
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                    This is by no means an exhaustive list, but if you’re in the rush to get online groups up and running to replace the church-sized hole in many of your people’s hearts, this is a great way to start.
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                    Let me know via my socials how your group life is going. I’d love to connect with you, to help in any way possible, and to resource you however I can. 
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                    This is a long season we seem to be in, and it may be getting even longer. Rest assured that we can use this tech to our advantage, and we will see the Kingdom expanding even further than we can even begin to imagine. 
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:54:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
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      <title>To Impact People in This Coronavirus Season, We Need to Understand Them</title>
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                    After barely a few months of hearing about Coronavirus elsewhere... the stories have begun pouring in about us -- from communities around the US. Some engulfed in crisis, others still somewhat unconcerned. And we all know it's just the beginning.
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                    And in terms of what people in our communities are thinking, feeling, needing… the general emotional response to each worsening headline, statistic, and experience with others is just that: FEAR. Fears about disease, fears about financial catastrophe, fears about our loved ones; fears of what our country and our world might become.
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                    Fear, I might add, is not inherently wrong or evil. It’s a very useful and valuable human emotion. It can serve us well. Proverbs 22:3 reminds us “
  
  
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                    That’s one place where you, pastor, can really step into these current events and provide both help and hope.
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  … as available as the air we breathe… and as we “enter” it, accessing it through the person and example of Jesus, we can operate amidst many dangers, toils and snares with an energy marked by the energy of that Kingdom. We can learn to place our confidence in Jesus, and in the availability of that Kingdom.
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                    This is no simple-minded ignoring or denial: We can absolutely live in the midst of our circumstances, exercising wisdom and experiencing the full range of related emotions; taking action and making plans…. AND at the same time receive our life and strength moment by moment from another source. Directly from God.
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                    Learning this vision of receiving life from God moment by moment is precisely where you can help your people as you guide them into the way of Jesus. Help them learn how to anchor deeply to the real-time presence of God, right here… right now. As you are working to alleviate suffering in your community… as you are working to spin up new ways to use your facility or direct your resources… please also 
  
  
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                    So how can you help your people as they--and you--navigate the emotional realities of these next few weeks?
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                    As they connect with God -- right here, right now -- God’s grace towards them… God’s power and life and energy will flow through that connection and like electricity empower you and your people to navigate these unprecedented times with the counter-cultural energies of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self control.
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                    If there is any force, any wisdom, any energy to get through this time, it will certainly be through a people marked by these qualities. These are the people who, on mission, will roll up their sleeves, invent new supply chains, innovate around generosity, healthcare, economic strategy, and how to be good neighbors. And a thousand other things.
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      <title>PODCAST 057: Heredes Ribeiro &amp; Easter Services Online</title>
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  So, have you come to the realization yet that Easter is only going to be online yet? Or are you still holding out hope that the world will somehow miraculously solve a global pandemic in the next couple weeks?

  
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  It's time to embrace the facts. Easter is going to be online. What we do with Easter in the midst of Coronavirus? How do we pivot? How do we prepare? How are we effective? For this conversation Jeff and Rey bring in an old friend, Heredes Ribeiro, into a conversation about creativity in this Coronavirus season, and how your church can not only survive, but thrive online.

  
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:42:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:24:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>PODCAST 056: Daniel Im - No Silver Bullets &amp; How to Disciple Online</title>
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    . Yes, it was written 5 years ago and I'm late to the party, but the book hit me with the right message at the right time. Discipleship, Disciple-making, Multiplication, On-Mission... whatever the term is... I've been noticing that a lot of our churches, a lot of our church onlines, are missing this. And the more I delved into the book No Silver Bullets, the more it resonated with me.
  
    
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  Episode 56 of The Church Digital Podcast powered by Stadia Church Planting. I gotta tell you, yeah, Stadia's planted over a thousand churches and we are out there right now trying to make sure those 1000 churches are stable, safe, and sound. And we're not really just drawing the border at those 1000 we've, and this is what I love about Stadia, we're creating resources and helping churches beyond trying to figure out how to master this digital church, this church online thing. By the way, check this out there. There's a Facebook group. The easiest way to get there is if you go to thechurch.digital/coronavirus on that, there's a number of resources we've created, but one of the best resources we have out there today is a Facebook group that's managed by us, but also managed by a bunch of Stadia people where they're getting in there. Churches are getting in there. They're talking about what they're experimenting with, whether it's working, whether it's not working and encouraging us together as we're out there trying to figure out how to beat this Corona virus thing and by utilizing digital tools and church online. So if you're not part of that it's, you can look for a church online and coronavirus in Facebook or head over to thechurch.digital/coronavirus and find the link there on that page. Well, I gotta tell you, I have been sitting on this podcast for a couple of weeks. We've recorded this probably the day before the coronavirus. You know, I hate to hesitate to say the word outbreak before everything exploded. Moving off the West coast more towards the the East coast here in America. And I have been itching, itching to share this, this podcast interview with you because this has been, you know, the Ed Stetzer podcast that interview was fun.
  
    
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  This one, was more fun than that Ed because it really I honestly, I felt like I was talking to like a clone copy of me. We were so on this same page with a number of different things. So the interview is with Daniel Im who is in Canada. He works with Lifeway. He does a number of things. He's written a number of books. And honestly, the heart of this is, we really delved into his book called No Silver Bullets. Now this is an older book, we're going back to 2015 but honestly, just recently I read it there was a church I'm working with and they were having some, some discipleship level issues within the church. How do we keep people on mission? What does discipleship look like? We're having issues with kind of taking people to that next deeper level.
  
    
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  And really, I just, I delved into this book, like I said in the podcast, it was stuck on my Kindle. I bought it years ago, just never read it, and as I read it, honestly, my heart just leapt and, and I caught this vision for what a discipleship movement in a church could be if it was done with intentionality. But on top of that, I caught a larger vision of what a discipleship method could be if it was executed digitally to compliment churches that are out there. And so the more that Daniel and his book talked about discipleship, the more that I had this greater understanding of what it could be in a digital environment. And that made me very happy. So we're having this conversation with Daniel Im and it is literally on the eve of the coronavirus explosion that has happened here in America and around the world here with this global pandemic.
  
    
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  So there's definitely application points that we talk about here, about how to get people on mission but it also, it talks to a lots of the heart of what it actually means to be intentional towards making disciples in a physical environment as well as a virtual one. It's been a great podcast, a great conversation here with Daniel ImLifeway as well as a number of other resources and, and connection points. No silver bullets for church online. That's the name of the episode here at the church digital podcast. Here y'all go. Hey Jeff. Hey, how are you doing? I'm doing well. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Hey, I want to thank you for jumping on this, this podcast. It's been a, it's been a hectic couple of days. I'm going to go killing her. So for, for all of us, I'm sure. But man, I just, I wanted to thank you for for sticking with this and, and, and allowing this conversation to happen.
  
    
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  There'll be good, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I, I want, I want to sing your praise and I'll do this on the podcast a little bit, but you know, I, I bought your books every year, go and it sat on my Kindle, you know, typically books do. I've got the app. We'll get there eventually later, maybe sorta. And you know, one of the churches I was working at, Christ journey church starting to run into some discipleship issues and some things it's like, yeah, there's, there's, there's gotta be a better way to do this. We haven't figured it out. And there was this no silver bullets book. I just, I want to go back to that. And it really I read it and I was like, Oh, this is so good. This is exactly what they need. And I T I tend to be an extremist kind of alarmist type of guy.
  
    
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  Like we have to do this. And like now, yeah, it and I made key staff read it and they're like, Oh, this is so good. And it really helped kind of pivot the culture or at least bring awareness to that. And I know you're not even, I know it's not even like the thing that you're like pushing it and promoting it may be old school compared to some of the other stuff, but it's like I'm in this moment and I'm, and I'm like, man, I really want to like just explore this and, and talk with Daniel more about it. So thanks for like kind of going old school here, revisiting 2015 a little bit, man
  
    
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  Talking about it. And, and even when I wrote it, you know, it was this commitment to say, okay, do I believe enough about this that I'm willing for at least the next 10 years to talk about this topic. So, yeah, and it's, yeah, I love it. So I'm glad. Glad to talk about it.
  
    
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  Well, you picked a really good topic to talk about, at least from a, from a relevancy standpoint because we're seeing culture shift more away from the buildings. But here with the, the church digital podcast, we talk a lot about church online and digital church. I've actually taken a role recently. I honestly, I think this is even since we scheduled the podcast with you, but I'm with stadia church planning where I'm director of digital church planting. We're looking at a digital only expression of the church that doesn't exist in physical. It's, it's more of a digital, virtual, biblical ecclesiology of what is an actual church look like. That would be digital only and which really is a fascinating conversation for me that centered more around a discipleship driven model, a discipleship process, discipleship pathway. A lot of these words that I just keep resonating over and over with.
  
    
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  And honestly, like in the back of my mind, I just going back to Nosto bullets, I'm like, I have to write this book. I'm going to have to write this book. I haven't found anybody to really say what I want to say, but then I read no silver bullets and I'm like, yes, I don't have to write the book. I don't have to go through all this struggle because my man's here, Daniel M's already said it is starting to roll through it. So I love how what you're talking about with this intentional discipleship. I think it's, it's a, it's a wake up call for churches towards getting more on board with that today, being intentional with it as opposed to being lackadaisical and, and, and some of those things. But even in context of online, using a church online to create some of those intentional points to foster that development and growth is, is so good. And so man, just, just thanks for jumping on here. I just, I have to know this. Yeah. And we'll, we'll, we'll dig in, right? This'll be good. How, where did, where did this, the idea of have no silver bullets and, and just even the, the four quadrants, if you want to highlight that, like where did this come from? Yeah. Okay. So the
  
    
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  Or the old school original where the whole thing was birthed. It was when I was doing my master's at fuller and it was a man global leadership. And basically my final project was, it was, and it's all contextual to your church. The, the way they did their things. So for me then I was trying to figure out, Hey, how do I create a discipleship pathway that's scalable within a multisite context, thinking also post-Christian to being in Canada, but just a sense of a, of a, of a scalable multi-site discipleship pathway that, yeah, that can actually, that that works in different sizes of churches, right? Where you have maybe 2000 people gathered in one location, a hundred and another four or 500 in another. So what would that look like? And that's really the origin of it around the ongoing steps, the first steps, the next steps.
  
    
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  But man that Harkins all the way back to like 2013 and it's just kinda, it, it, it was great. Put it to the side, ended up moving down to Nashville, moving to Lifeway co-writing, planting missional churches with ed. And basically a, a, an acquisitions editor was like, Hey Jeff, do you have like a solo book in you? And I was like, well, there's this thing I've worked on that I worked on, but I just kinda, I never finished it because I didn't think anyone would want to read it. So I sent her, well what it was and they're like, okay, well here's a contract. So that, that's basically what got it kicked started again. And multiple years later it was a reassessment of, okay, does this still work? Is this timeless? And then how do you actually communicate it? How do you communicate it?
  
    
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  Well? So it was just further research that then got me into doing some research around the quadrants and had a conversation with Dr. Robert Coleman around that too. I mean, the guy, right? Master plan of evangelism, discipleship. And I was like, okay, if he can get on board with this, then I'm okay. So he was my, he was my gut check. He was my am I out to lunch. And he he, I mean he endorsed the books. Right. So, I mean, it was cool, cool to have that conversation with them. That's awesome. I could try to explain that. I'm going to be honest. I could try to explain the quadrants. It would take me eight minutes and I'm willing to bet you've got a 45 second version of the quadrants that you can just nail real quick and enroll through this seriously though. Just give, give us a breeze of brief synopsis, cause I'm sure you're more succinct than I would be.
  
    
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  Okay. Okay. So imagine a, and maybe we'll put in the show notes, right? But imagine the a square with four quadrants and you have a copycat church is silver bullet church and intentional church and a hippie church, right? So if we're looking at all four, you know, the, these four quadrants, what is the difference between each and every one of them? You have the copycat church that views discipleship is all about getting to a destination. And that's actually what, what the copycat and this silver bullet church shares there. It's all about getting to a destination. So discipleship is about knocking those check off and, and doing this program, doing that program. And, and the, the difference between the copycat church and the silver bullet church is the copycat church. It's literally, you know, go to that conference, we're going to copy this model. Oh it didn't work four months later, go copy another models.
  
    
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  So there's a low sense of accountability there. Okay. the, the silver bullet church is like the copycat church where they still see view discipleship as checking that off. These external markers. But the difference is accountability wise, systems wise, it flows and everything looks good. But the metrics for maturity are different. It's actually incorrect the way that they're viewing the metrics for maturity. And then you have move it up, right? You then have the intentional church and you have the hippie church. Both actually the biggest difference between those ones and the bottom ones is that those ones actually view maturity from a directional standpoint, right? So it's not necessarily the destination you get to, it's more the direction you're pointing in. So there's a key difference, a fundamental difference as to what maturity looks like and what the discipleship process looks like. Is it destination oriented, check the boxes, or is it the direction you're pointing in?
  
    
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  And the difference between the hippie church and the intentional church, the hippie church, it's kind of like the copycat church, low culture of accountability going from one to another. So these are the churches that essentially are like, Oh, Oh you want to like, you don't want to, you don't want to meet together. You just want to listen to worship music and go hike on the mountain and, and instead of gathering together for worship, Oh yeah, that's fine. That's, that's fine. Right? Or, or you don't have to read the Bible, just read a devotional about the Bible. That's the same thing, right? So it's very lackadaisical. As long as you're pointing in that direction toward Christ, you're fine. Whereas the intentional church, yes it is directionally focused, but there's a clear pathway to getting to discipling people and getting people along, moving in the right direction. So that's, that's, those are kind of the, the four quadrants summarized.
  
    
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  Yeah, it's, it's, it's really interesting this, this idea of destination and, and for, for, for me with the, the, the church that that I'm regularly working with, like that was, that was the radical connection for us. Previous to that, it was, you know, it was, it was the Rick, Rick Warren baseball diamond and the far be it for me to be overly critical of that cause I think that was revolutionary at the time and really helped a lot of churches move forward. Churches that I've been on staff with and worked with. But the reality is, is that that four Oh one that home plate that people being on mission, like nobody ever makes it to that class. It's amazing. Everybody did this. The one Oh one, you lose 20% for the two Oh one, you lose 20% for the three Oh one. And, and by the time you get down to to the four Oh one, you know, it's, it's like, Oh, this is the, for people who are going specific on the global missions trip, let's just make that to four.
  
    
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  Oh. And it's, it's a far minimal audience percentage of people that are attending. But as a result of that, we're really missing this opportunity to have people be on mission where, you know, on mission may be defined as something like you know, and once again, I don't want to be overcritical, but Hey, let, let me serve coffee here, or let me be you know, guest services or something. And all of these are important. But when it comes to personal evangelism, when it comes to disciple-making w with, with the things where we look at today's culture, we realize, wow, like the best way for our church to be impactful is not our physical building and doing these events in our buildings. But it's all about empowering people to have spiritual conversations. They go and share their faith and then to disciple others.
  
    
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  Lifeway, like the place where you work, and this is an older stat, but I quoted all the time, by the way, if you guys could update this stat, I would really appreciate it. 2000, a 2016 Lifeway 63% of people are no longer interested in going to the buildings to, to learn about their faith. And at the same way that, that I myself, I'm not interested in going to a mosque. I, I think I figured out what I know at the spiritual level, and I'm not really open to more conversations. 79% of people are open to talking about faith with their friends if they see that faith is important to their friends. And so, you know, for me, when I look at the opportunity of, of church online, it's let's utilize this online technology. Let's utilize it to create a discipleship pathway, a direction that creates in people this desire to be a disciple maker, to be a multiplier of others. It's not a consumer level thing as much as it is, is a multiplier aspect of that. Now just hearing some of that like, wow, what do you, what do you think of that? What are, what are some challenges? What are some wins? What, what about utilizing technology in this way to create, to multiply disciples?
  
    
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  Yeah. Yeah. In, in my book, no silver bullets, I talk about this idea of a, of a high tech kind of high touch approach to leadership development. And in the book I really focus it in and around leadership development. But when it comes to discipleship right there, there has to be that touch component to it, right? I mean, we're there, there has to be the interaction focused to it. Now I think that doesn't mean it has to be in person. I think there's a sense of are you on, is this active or are you, is it a, is it a passive approach? Right. So as it relates to a high tech and a high touch approach especially with church online, there is a sense of, okay, am I a consumer of this or is there active interaction like you and I, this is very active for you and I for the listeners, it's passive, right?
  
    
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  And so that's, that's the big diff biggest difference. So as it relates to discipleship and the sense of, okay, what does a high tech and a high touch approach look like? It can very much be, Hey, as a small group we are going to gather together on zoom. Right? And we are going to, yes, it's high tech and yeah, we're not in person, but it's active. Right? So I think there's this whole sense of we need to have a, an a proactive approach rather than this passive approach, especially as it relates when we're leveraging technology, but especially, especially as it relates to discipleship.
  
    
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  So yeah, I love the fact that that you referenced high tech, high touch. I actually read a book 20 years ago, I think I was in college called high tech high touch by Larry Nesbitt. I guarantee you've never been in a podcast that referenced Larry Nesbitt. He was a business guy. It was, it was early on. It was like before Y two K but it was, it was this general principle that technology is an I, I forgive me, like I'm old. I don't know how old you are, but I'm not so old to be like the grumpy old guy. Get off my lawn, AKA ed Stetzer. We'll talk about him later. He's fun. I love it. Yeah, we did a podcast with him recently and it was awesome. But this high tech high touch with with Larry Nesbitt, you know, the principle was, is that technology by itself left to itself is cold.
  
    
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  It's isolated. And so it's, it's very easy when you don't pay attention to the high touch level. I think you are guilty. We as a church are guilty of utilizing church online to create consumers. Yeah. And that, so if we leave it isolated, if we leave it unto itself, we are people who are creating content for consuming as opposed to building relationships. It's, it's funny, I actually do, they get off my lawn. That's literally a quote from ed Stetzer when he was on my podcast. We'll link to it in the show notes. It was, yeah, it was episode 49. And I'll tell you this, Daniel, it was, I don't know that I've said this publicly, but it's cool. Ed at, I love you if you're listening at, at we, I'm friends with ed. We used to worry at Miami and and so ed told me, Oh yeah, yeah, he told me, he's like, don't ask me questions on church online.
  
    
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  And I'm like, why not? And he's like, you're not gonna like my questions if you ask me on church online. And I'm like, come on ed, can I get like constructive criticism? Can I say challenges and allow you to give me some feedback or, and he's like, just, you know, you can ask me if you want, but just you're going to get what you're gonna get. And I told ed this, I gave him this pitch of online to offline that the gospel we hear in the online world in tasks to affect our offline relationships. And it's, and it's a multiplication tool. And it's funny, ed Stetzer, as soon as I was done, literally, he's like, if you're a pastor, hearing what Jeff Reed said, you should do this. You know? And it's like he's never heard this idea, but it's, it's like let's not be consumers and creating this consumers where we're, we're being negative towards this, but let's be intentional. It's why I love your book so much. Let's be intentional towards disciple-making and I would just would add a little, you know, wrinkle to it. Let's figure out how to use the online tools to get there. And you know, another thing that I love, I love for your book and, and I want you to kind of start to speak in this and set this up. You use the term social space for me and for the listening audience, what social space is and how it kind of relates to this discipleship process.
  
    
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  Definitely. Definitely. So let's go back to the 50s, 1950s, Edward T. Hall, anthropologically he was doing research called proxemics and he was trying to identify how to animals. He started with animals realized, okay, how do do animals gather together and does this then relate to humans? So fast forward quite a bit. He basically identified four spaces that humans naturally connected and you got your public space, you got your public space. Like all the public spaces that are now being closed down cause the coronavirus so a hundred plus people, right? So there's that side. You got the social space, which is that 20 to 50 person sized space. So think stand up reception before wedding. So these kind of fluid spaces and then you've got these you've got these personal spaces, which is the third one. That's like eight to 12 people, like a small group. And you have the fourth space, which is the intimate space.
  
    
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  One or two people. The research basically stated that Hey, in all four spaces and all four spaces, we experience community, but one space, it's not necessarily that one space is more important than the others. They all have their unique benefits, advantages and disadvantages and a different ROI for each and every one of them. But the important thing to understand is we actually experience community differently in all four spaces. So if this is naturally how humans connect how are we leveraging these four spaces? So Joseph Myers and his book to search to belong, I think it was like early two thousands, he was one of the first ones I believe, to introduce this concept into the church conversation. And you know, many people have written on it thus far since then. So when you think about that social space, it's that idea. Like how I, I think as churches we do this small, the personal space, well, right?
  
    
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  Small groups, we do that well. And some churches, especially with D groups and accountability groups or LTDs or however you own, do it now more and more churches are doing this one to three person size space. Well, because those are the spaces where you can open up. Those are the spaces where you can create trust and build those relationships. And a lot of churches do the large public spaces. Well, I mean that's, that's kind of a corporate worship gathering, that 20 to 50 person size space, that's the space that's often under utilized. And here's the interesting fact, post writing the book if you're a church of under 200 people, I don't think there's as much of a need for a formalized 20 to 50 person sized space program or an approach to programming this cause naturally a lot of these spaces will just be there. You'll naturally have them if you're over 200, though, that's when you actually need to intentionalize these 20 to 50 person size gatherings.
  
    
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  Oh, totally. Like, you know, and we, we've talked about, I think you may know the exact stat, but something like 80% of churches at this point are under 200. The average church is what? Probably 72 73. It seems like in the States it's a, it's about a hundred. The average candidates under 80. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So but for, for the, the Megan, the giga church, it's easy to get to get lost in that. And if you're not connected into that that, that smaller group though, the one that's down at the personal space area you're, you're, you're lost in, in accountability almost and then the church has lost that. And so I love this idea of that social space that the 20 to 50 number, you know, if I'm putting all my online pastor hat and you know, digital strategist, I'm looking at that 20 to 50 number thinking, man, what would it look like if we, if that was like house churches or micro locations?
  
    
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  Around in, I'm looking at like, you know, elevation church with their watch parties. The home gatherings that Saddleback does, we even talk about, you've probably never heard of this, but a church called first Capitol Christian and coordinate Indiana. It's a small, I'm going to tell you this story. Daniel's awesome. It's, this right here is, is exactly why churches need to understand discipleship at a deeper level. This one, it's, it's in coordinate Indiana. You've never heard of coordinate Indiana, have you? No. No. So here's the deal. It's a small town of about 3000 people. And first Capitol Christian, and this is their words. I've had the lead pastor, we've done a couple podcasts with them on, it's on the wrong side of town, on the outskirts of town, on the, of like the, no one's around, no residential area like that. They bought the property decades ago and instead of the town going towards the church and went away from the church.
  
    
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  Oh, okay. And so this church has every excuse to just dry up and die. Yeah. For some reason this church has over a thousand regularly attending. Nope. No. Yeah. Do the math, bro. So I'm like, wait a second, you're telling me you've got 30% attendance in a small town in Indiana right at the Kentucky border. This does it. Honest to God, I'm flying out there in June, in June, I'm going to speak at a conference and I'm like, I love you guys. I want to see it for real. And I trust him. And so like the people on Tyler Samson's a good friend. He's, he's the engagement pastor over there, but here's where sacred space fits in. Mm. The, the story and we talked about this in a podcast a lot where there was a nurse who worked at a Hodgkin's Huntington's rehab center.
  
    
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  Basically it's a terminal disease with that. And so she was working on Sundays and she was really annoyed that she couldn't get off Sundays cause she wanted to go to church. She doesn't want to work Sundays but what you would do, she would grab her iPad, go sit in the community center with the iPad on her lap and just engage watching the church service online. And then one Sunday, like two people gathered around her and started watching the church service a couple of weeks later, four people a couple of weeks later, eight people, 12, 16. There's a photo. I've seen it with like 20 people gathered around this woman holding an iPad at a all in like the robes of Austin Little gowns experiencing this church and she takes this photo text that the church leadership and says, can you help me do ministry here? This small church, they've, they've literally discipled 18 volunteers, intentionally grown 18 people to be volunteer campus pastors at 18 micro locations around credible.
  
    
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  It's, it's things like prisons. It's things like orphanages. They're literally adopting people, children, and to be part of the family solving within this small town, they, they're getting a 500 to 600 people engaging in these micro locations. So I'm bad at math, but the roughly a thousand, roughly 500, maybe 1500. Okay. Maybe they're getting some crossover, but in a small town of 3000, that's incredible. Did the mission of our church is to reach 1% of Edmonton, just 1% and we're running a few thousand on a weekend. Right? So it's just 1% that is incredible. And what you get from this is this is the power of, of empowering someone with the gospel and saying, you go, the thing that I love is the people that are the campus pastors. The volunteer campus pastors, the unpaid people, they're out there doing the ministry. The locations they often go to, they had a personal heart for.
  
    
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  It's not like the the pastor is running around trying to find all these locations and manage this stuff. It's like what are you passionate about? Go disciple, make disciples and grow in that area and let, let us the church, first Capitol Christian, let us help you with that man. So awesome. A phenomenal story and in a challenge for I think a lot of churches out there that if we could kind of release the priesthood to the believers, let them run, equip them with the power to do this, man, we'd see some phenomenal things happen with multiplication and growth in our city. Amen. Are you a preacher?
  
    
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  Ha, that's a funny story. It depends on who you ask. I'll come up. I'm a technology guy who had a midlife crisis and realized we are so we need to, we need to do some awesome things for the world and technology. High tech, high touch is a part of it, so Hey, I want to keep, I want to keep rolling with this because once again in the book there were like, I'm like, this is incredible. This is incredible. You introduced a new term to make and and you got me in trouble with my marriage. I'm going to, I'm going to call you out because I asked my wife about this, who has a master's of education and her response was not warm back. And so you guys talked about flip the classroom. Why don't, why don't you just give me a little insight, talk to me, you know about flip the classroom. Okay. So apologies if you've got trouble with your wife. Okay. We'll get into it in a second. Marriage and parenting podcast. So give that to her.
  
    
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  All that to say, the flipping the classroom idea is long story short, right? It's just super long story short. It's basically the idea of, okay, instead of, and this is within a church setting instead of saying, Hey, everyone's going to gather here and listen to this talking head. And then, and it's primarily, let's think about a leadership development. So you're training volunteers, K training volunteers, everyone's in a room, you are speaking, here's the lesson. And then everyone goes away and you know, maybe you pray together or whatever, but then you're on your training. So that's it. The problem with that though, right, is that it's hard to get 100% of your volunteers to that training environment. It's just with scheduling and all that stuff, it's just, it's just super hard. So the idea of flipping the classroom is, Hey, instead, why don't we give the lesson at home or via video? And then when you get together, right, you're flipping it, you then do the work together. So within the school setting, this is, I mean, think back to a world before YouTube.
  
    
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  Like 2005 if you shot a video, how did you share it with a friend? Like how do you share it with anyone else before Facebook, YouTube, or anything? Right. It was just so hard. Whereas now it's like, Oh, of course it's easy to share stuff. So the whole idea was basically in a, in a school classroom, these teachers who got sick and tired of trying to catch up sick, you know, kids who are sick, who missed the class and having to redo the electrode over and over again. They basically did a voice over, over their PowerPoint lecture, PowerPoint slides, voiceover, and they put it up on this new fandangled thing called YouTube. And they said, Hey, instead of me reviewing and recapping everything, Hey, just watch it. And then more kids watched it and more kids watched it and more. And then it started, you know, people who aren't even in that class or that school started watching it. So they're like, Oh, maybe we're onto something. So within the school environment, it was basically this idea of, Hey, when you're gathered together in a classroom instead of the teacher teaching, let's flip it so that the lesson is done at home and the homework is done at class rather than the lesson in class and homework at home. So that's that large. That's the concept in a nutshell. Yeah.
  
    
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  My wife, let me finish the story on my side. My wife has a master's of education. She's a she's the smart one in the marriage by far. I'm the, I'm the dummy and my kids are brilliant. All because of her DNA, nothing to do with mine. And so like I, I'm, I'm on a plane in, I read your book and I'm like, this is awesome. I actually, I bought the book, flipped the classroom that you referenced. There's lots of different ones out there, but I actually read the specific one, the two chemistry teachers and their, their story and it was phenomenal. Super short read, definitely impactful. Great things just for me even processing, you know, what this looks like. And of course I'm thinking digital discipleship, what it means or even church online like processing outside of it. You know, I've had conversations with you know, high level organizations working through how to do discipleship online.
  
    
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  It's like don't watch the videos when you're on zoom with everybody. Nobody wants to do that. Watch the videos in advance and take the opportunities to dialogue and discuss that's far more effective. And so like organizations are saying, this is awesome and this is even before I read the book, like, everything's going great. I'm like, this is awesome. We're swinging momentum. I actually now have a book, it's called, you know, or that I can have proof, Hey, here are the guys who actually came up with this concept. Daniel Imsaid, it's great. And so I asked my wife when I got home a dinner one night after reading the book on on the plane, Hey Amy, have you ever heard of this? Like flipped classroom thing? And I love my wife. And she was not positive in her response back. No. and, and the response was more centered around, yeah, those are just teachers being lazy.
  
    
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  And now what's interesting and there's a lot of heart. Yeah. I mean, he's an educator. Maybe there's some of and I've told my wife I'm having these conversations. So like, people are like, I can't believe he's saying it's Bob's wife. We're fine, it's good. But there's, there's this place of, you know, she's defining who she is by the performance. But not necessarily having the best mind to, of what's around for the, for the kids and whatever's best for the kids. Maybe we need to break the paradigms of what we're doing so that the students are able to get what they need and there's, and I think there's an opportunity for us, even within the church, you know, I, I mentioned this to in a, in a previous podcast and in a, in a digital pastor who's at a multisite churches. Oh, I've, I've heard that lazy comment before.
  
    
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  People talk about that all the time when they're talking to pastors who do a video teaching to multisite campuses. Oh, the other camp, because the other pastors are just being lazy when in fact a video teaching pastor, the campus pastors that don't have to prep a message. My gosh, they've got so much more time to be pastoral, shepherding involved in people's lives. Disciple-Making there's a reason why that model is effective. It's not the perfect model. And I'm not saying necessarily that it is, but there's a great opportunity for us to do something different. Yeah. How have you seen flipped the classroom be effective? I want to hear this. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. So
  
    
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  How it's very beneficial within a school environment and not, let me just do that and then I'll, I'll go to the church environment. How it's super beneficial within a school environment. And also when you're training leaders in your church, is that an in a, in a group of 20 people, typical classroom, 30 people, what level do you teach to not ever ends at the same level. So you have to generalize it as a teacher in some sense or fashion. And there are going to be people who are on par, listening, engaged. They're going to be some people who are like, this is, I know everything. Why this is such a huge boar. And they're going to be others who just don't really get it. And that's just naturally when you have that many people, it's hard to customize and personalize the lesson. The beauty of flipping the classroom is that if you get the lesson and you, and you're one of those kids who get it and you're like, yeah, I don't need to sit in a lecture, then just fast forward through it.
  
    
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  You don't need to watch the video at home, a lesson just fast forward, but you need abs. And this is, this is so key. You need some sort of comprehension oriented assignment. So it is some sort of homework but it, but it needs to be some sort of assignment to to indicate that's the accountability side to indicate that you watched or you got the concept right now, if you didn't get the lesson, you couldn't rewind and watch again. If you do, if you, if you're on par, then you watch it all the way through. So the beauty is when you're actually together cause learning, learning and you look at all the bark, right? Bark as a model of visual, oral, you know, all the different ways that people learn. Not everyone. Listen, not everyone can learn via auditory as well or there. There might not be as much red tension that happens through this passive learning.
  
    
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  But a lot of learning happens when we're teaching. A lot of learning happens when we're engaging. So when you flip the classroom and the kids are all together, what do you do with the kids who don't get the lesson? You as a teacher, you don't teach the kids who don't get the lesson. You pair the kids who get the lesson with the kids who don't get the lesson. And the kids who get it are teaching the kids who don't get it. Because what? That is one of the most effective ways to learn when you teach, right? And you're saying, Hey, can you help Joey here you get it. And that kid, the learning goes even deeper there. And then the kids who get it, you know, they're doing interactive projects together. So here's the thing, right? Math Y like I did Kumon, right? And you know, there's a lot of different sure reels, a lot of drills that happen.
  
    
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  It's like, okay, why am I doing geometry? Why am I like, it's just drill, drill, drill. You need to learn the formula. What if instead we said, Hey, we're going to build a, we're going to build out of toothpicks or out of something. We're going to build this building, but we're going to map it out architecturally to make sure it works. And that's why geometry matters and we're going to do and you know, so the majority of the classes, they're working on these projects doing the calculations because they're building a building out of toothpicks. It's not just trial and error. No, you got to do the calculations first and then the kids who really don't get it, that's the one. Those are the ones that teachers can personally help. Right. Personally help cause they have the time to do it. So within a church context, it's exactly the same.
  
    
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  You have a group of 30 small group leaders. Why do you think it's effective for, why do you think it's an effective use of their time and your time for you to just for 30 minutes, teach them how to connect or, or how to deal with over talkers. Right. How do you know that they're actually going to be competent in their ability to deal with over talkers just by listening to you. You don't, they need to practice it. So give the lesson at home, right via video here. Watch this 10 minute video and that's the other thing, right? You lecture in front of a live audience, it's typically going to be way longer than a video because you need the, you need the stories, you need the inflections, you need all that stuff. It's a, if it's a video, just go straight to the 0.5, 10 minutes, bam.
  
    
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  Done. Right? And people are okay with that medium and that and that and that way of communication because if there's too much fluff, people are going to fast forward anyway, right? So having said all that, give the lecture at home, come together, right? That's the flipping the classroom. Give a five minute recap. Invision them, thank them, encourage them what you can do in person and then say, okay, we're going to do, we're going to, we're going to implement, we're going to do this project together, or we're going to have these conversations together. We're going to pair you up here as a case study and you guys work this and you're the over-talk or, and you're the group leader and work it out so that people can actually grow in their proficiency. So that's obviously on the leadership development side, post writing the book. I also have done this on the discipleship side, whereas a small group now we would do book studies and then we would also do video based studies.
  
    
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  So I was like, man, this is, this is like, this is dreadful to just sit together, watch this together. And now our discussion is a, we don't have a lot of time for discussion and we don't have a lot of time for prayer. So I was like, Hey guys, let's all watch this at home. Right? And we were using a small group.com from Lifeway and right now media and I mean there's all these platforms, right? So we're using it, watch it at home, come together now instead of 15 minutes for discussion and five minutes for prayer, we now had an hour for everything or an hour and a half for everything. And instead of trying to w, you know, Gulf down our food and 15 minutes, it was more time for food, more time for connection, more more time for everything, way more margin. And there's a lot more connection and yes, you're right, 100% of the people did not watch it.
  
    
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  Yes. However, however, what was fascinating to me is that there was actually, there's vertical accountability and horizontal accountability, right? Vertical is from the leader downward. What I realized is as the leader, I didn't have to do the vertical accountability. Everyone was keeping each other accountable. And if someone didn't watch it, it wasn't actually me pointing them out. It was someone else in the group horizontal and be like, dude, just put it on your phone while you're driving. Like you have no excuse. And I didn't have to say that other people were doing it cause they're like, come on man, you're like you're wasting our time. And it was just this neat dynamic that built rather than me having to, you know, come down with the ruler.
  
    
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  I love, I love that accountability from a, from the level playing field, not, not above. Hey you, you said something I want to back up cause I, I've there's a difference or I'm interested in your take, because you said that one model was, was more towards the, during the book you were dressed it more from a leadership development side and then you don't delved into more of a discipleship post. The book, I just would love, what's the relationship between discipleship, disciple-making leadership development. I would love as somebody at Lifeway, somebody with, with your, what's
  
    
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  Your opinion on that? Just give me a couple minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So vision, strategy, values in a church vision, strategy and values. Vision. So where we're going, and this is great commission, great commandment, right? Regardless of how you word it out, strategy is what you do to get to where you need to be. Strategy and every church has to be, it's like a double helix, like DNA. And this is all in the book too. It's, it's this double helix of your discipleship pathway or your leadership pipeline, right? Those are the two strands in your strategy. Every single thing that a church does, this is the what strategy is the what to get to the, where vision and values are how you do what you do to get to where you need to go. So in every church, everything that a church does, it's either going to leadership pipeline, equip the saints for the work of ministry, or it's going to on the discipleship pathway side, mature them toward Christ.
  
    
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  This directional point of view. So when it comes to flipping the classroom, when it comes to everything a church does, if we simplify it down to the sense of, Hey, this activity is it either, is it, is it more focused on the discipleship pathway side or the leadership pipeline side? And a lot, there's going to be, there's going to be an inter linking of a lot. And that's why it's a double helix. That's why it's a w. I mean there's a lot of interrelation. But here's the thing, your leadership pathway and your pipeline and your discipleship pathway are not the same thing. And it's so important that we recognize that they are not the same thing. And I even heard people say, Oh, leadership is just advanced discipleship. And it, it's, I can't, I can't emphasize how important it is to understand that they are not the same thing.
  
    
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  There's a lot of interrelatedness. That's why it's a double helix, but they're not the same thing. And here's why. Here's why. And this is post book as well, right? What you believe on one, you will begin to assume on the other. If it's the same thing, what you believe about one, you will actually begin to assume on the other. So here's what I'm talking about. Your leadership pipeline. You can check off the box and actually say, I have displayed proficiency on this competency. I know how to do this. I didn't know how to do this and now I've learned how to do it. Knowledge, experience coaching. That's that transformational sweet spot. I have now demonstrated proficiency and I now know I'm done. I'm good. Great. That is awesome. For your leadership pipeline, discipleship doesn't work like that. You don't go, Oh, I've checked off patients.
  
    
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  I've checked off love, I've checked off humility, I've checked off. No, no, no. You are growing the on this side of eternity, right, and never ends. It never ends. And even on the other side of Aternity, it doesn't end either. Right? We were always growing in our knowledge of Christ always maturing and our knowledge of Christ. So if they're the same thing, if they're the same thing, what you believe on one, you'll begin assuming on the other and just like you can check off competencies on leadership pipeline, you'll begin to check off your discipleship pathway and then you'll go down the road of program. It'll go down the road of, yes, I've done this. Look at all the studies on my shelf, see how mature I am. Yeah, no,
  
    
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  It doesn't work like that. We've got such an opportunity to to impact people in different sides. I, I know personally, like in some of the churches that I work with, it's very easy to meld the two together. The, the, the helix is, is, is, is a beautiful picture where it intersects, where there's opportunities for it to work together, but there's urgency on each side for different reasons towards that. It's there from a practical standpoint, just, just gimme gimme a couple of things here, but from a practical standpoint, how do you separate between the two? Like ed says, this is ed. Ed's. Okay. Everybody, we're doing a weekend service. That's awesome. We're doing a we're doing small groups. That's great. We need a third thing. You know, the, the, I'm gonna drop another guy who's been on the podcast to Eric Geiger.
  
    
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  Simple church. Boiling it all down to two things. Probably wasn't a good idea culturally where we are now making fun of Eric. I love Eric too. We need a third thing. So let's go ahead and add let's add a discipleship intentional discipleship thing. That's what, that's what Ed's, it's looking for. He's like Sunday night service, Wednesday night something, but an opportunity for that deep Bible exposure driving people. So now if I, if I'm separating leadership development, is that a fourth thing? Like how many more things am I throwing on this? You know, like what does it, what does it practically look like to create a church that's developing disciples and at the same time growing leaders?
  
    
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  Mmm, okay. So last chapter of no silver bullets. We have we have our ongoing steps, our first steps in our next steps, right? So ongoing steps are those things where as a mature follower of Christ, it's the practices that Jesus practice. It's the things, and that's where the research of here are the inputs. Here's 80, 20, here's the inputs that make the biggest output. So that's, that's, that's core. And that's not programmatic, that's just, that's the life of a follower of Christ programmatically. Yeah. You got first steps, you're brand new, do alpha, you're brand new, come to hear your, you know, communication wise. And I mean we can do a whole probably episode on echo chambers and how that affects church life and everything. Cause that was definitely, I've done a huge deep dive on that post this book cause it was just, it's crazy how it's affected discipleship.
  
    
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  So that's on another note. And then you got your next steps. So what you were just talking there, deeper life, next steps. You know, I'm, we're going to be doing these things called masterclasses, right? It's just this whole idea of what is that close to Christ Christ centered class to just go super deep. Because there is a sense of yeah, ever it needs to be a self feeder. But as a pastor there is a sense of Hey, we need to really pour into and mature our people. So that's all great leadership. It's not another thing because it has to be just in time type of training. Right? And in churches that program I's leadership, that's, and here's why digital is so important, right? Because inevitably, and sorry, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things going on. My latest book, you are what you do.
  
    
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  And six other lies about where Kalev and like it's the gig economy, right? I'm, the premise is the gig economy is here, which is side hustles. So all that to say, people have asked me, so if you've written this book on how the gig economy has affected us lives as Christians and as people, what does this have to do with Sundays? Like does this, does this actually have something to do with the lack of attendance on Sundays now? Because 36%, 35% of the American workforce is a part of the gig economy. That's 57 million people in America, right? And that's the same percentage in a lot of different countries. So the answer is, I don't believe that gig economy affects Sunday morning attendance. But what it does affect is your volunteer hours. What it does effect is midweek, because now with the gig economy, every hour is a billable hour.
  
    
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  Every hour is a billable hour now, right? So now instead of saying, Oh, I'm work my part time job for this person, I have to put in hours. Now every hour is a billable hour. So for volunteers who would say, Oh yeah, you know, I would've, yeah, whatever. I got lots of free time. Who wants free time? Yeah, I'll go help you do that. I'll do this. And these days it's shrinking more and more and more because every hour is a billable hour, right? It's like I could be doing this or I could be Ubering for a couple hours or doing, you know, this contracting and I could earn a few hundred dollars and then I could do this and go on this vacation. So I don't know if I have as much time anymore pasture. Right? So here's where this all loops together, where it all loops together. Going back to your original question as it relates to leadership, pipeline, leadership classes, all that stuff in your church, for every new volunteer that you have, you need to think onboarding.
  
    
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  How do we onboard well and that onboarding is not a class. The onboarding is just in time. Here's how to, you know, apprentice wise or online wise, here's what you need to know and let's get together and I'm going to coach you and we're going to work. It's on the job training but for every church you need onboarding but you also need ongoing, you need ongoing training, onboarding and ongoing. So an onboarding is immediate. Ongoing is you need to develop the core competencies of your people and have so that they can move up your leadership pipeline. So the ongoing training, the only way that ongoing training is going to be effective is if it's delivered online. Because the worst thing that you can do is do an a leadership development one Oh one class on another Sunday evening or after church. And it's one more thing when every hour is a billable hour.
  
    
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  One more thing that people don't want to go to. And number one, they don't want to go to it cause they don't have time. And every hour is a billable hour at number two. It's like what does this have to do with my life and me serving as a small group leader because it's so generalized. It's so general. I so, but it's important. Core competency training is critical to move people from volunteers to leaders, to leaders, to coaches, coaches, administrator, directors and other, so the reason online is so important is now flipping the classroom, you can highly specify the training. So it's just in time within relationship to that department and it's very focused and it's not another night out. It's literally on the commute to work and then coming home from work, Hey, let's talk on the phone. Right. It's just, yeah. So
  
    
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  No, this is. I've been thinking a lot about this, right? I love everything about this. Like I, I'm, I'm, I'm so excited by this. What's, what's interesting to me is I see what you're describing. I see churches who do what you're describing and, and, and, and just in my context, yeah, they're church plants. They are church plants, not with staff people, but who are drew were like, there's a pastor who is, who's the paid guy maybe or it's, they're still fundraising and it's a completely volunteer team. They are the ones that are more driven by the all this virtual technology and zooms for the meetings. Like it's like the, the, the larger organizations where no, let's just get everybody together. The multisite church that it's like, yeah, let's try have everybody in to like have these, these conversations cause we just, we need to be in the room for it. But I love the fact that when when I meet and through stadia just meeting more and more of them, a lot of these guys, it's like, well yeah, of course we think we can do discipleship online. We do everything else online. Like it's not that far of a jump. I know our culture.
  
    
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  Here's the tipping point in my, in my estimation, because online's been around for a long time. Right. Especially training and all that stuff. I think the tipping point was when LinkedIn bought lynda.com what was it like for $2 billion or something? I thought a few, couple of years ago. Yeah. Honestly, I think that was the tipping point. You're going to have to explain that because that sounds really deep. I tell, tell me why, why is that the tipping point? So online has been around for awhile and there's sense of you know, the educational world is, has definitely lagged behind, but the church world has lagged even more behind any, I mean obviously you got guys like Leonard sweet who are just like living 50 years in the future and half-life and there's all that stuff, right? I mean the guy's brilliant, but he is literally from another century.
  
    
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  Like he is so ahead of us. Right. So in light of all that, Scotty's got the dr strange powers where he can like say all the alternative realities. Yeah. 4.7 million. And this is the one, this is the one I love Leonard. Sweet. Keep going. I know, I know. And by the way, I mean CPLF church planting leadership fellowship stadia comes to it, but you should definitely come in July and we can, he's going to be speaking with us. It's all, it's church planning stuff so we can talk some, yeah, love it. But basically the reason I believe LinkedIn buying lynda.com was a tipping point is because you had all of these online training platforms forming lynda.com professional services and you got Skillshare and ministry grid and right now media and yet all these different online kind of platforms out there educationally wise Moodle, Blackboard was way behind, way behind.
  
    
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  Right? And then you had canvas kind of start up and it was like, Oh, looks better. But it's kind of just a facelift. And so all this was stirring, right? All this was stirring and then LinkedIn bought lynda.com I could be incorrect, but I think it was $2 billion. But I mean I might be way off, but I know it was a lot of money, a lot of money. When that happened, you began seeing a tipping point where around that time YouTube then invested into YouTube education. Ted did create this platform, right? So then, and then master classes, which was, I mean this is high and online training where there, I mean I did the Malcolm Gladwell writing one, I was gifted that right. And you can learn it. Are you gonna learn, you know, cooking from Gordon Ramsey and it's just like, but literally the amount of money that was poured in the venture capital investment that's now being poured into masterclasses and all that.
  
    
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  I mean it was just a Oh right. It was just so fast. But I found it was ticking along very slowly up until that point. And then, you know, zoom is not like who doesn't use zoom? I mean we're using zoom right now, but it was just, it was just, yeah. So I think within the church world, we've gotten to that point now where everyone in like online, you don't development if someone's in a white collar kind of job, even if they're in a blue collar, job development, ongoing development is important. Certification is important and it's more and more and more online. So why are we lagging so behind as a church? I love everything about this, this entire conversation. This has been the highlight of a crazy couple
  
    
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  Of weeks. I want to ask this. Yeah, thank you. I want to ask this one question cause I'm really interested, you've set this question up so perfectly, I don't even need to really, except I want to educate you on, on my terms through stadia, they hired me to be director of digital church planting. We are literally trying to figure out what a digital only expression of church looks like. As part of that, we're wrestling with the biblical ecclesiology of, of what are the biblical functions and not how do we mirror what happens in physical space and do it virtually, but how best can we do virtually what the Bible calls us to do. So example teaching, we're doing a 40 minute sermon on a platform. Well is a 40 minute sermon. The best way to communicate teaching. I actually had had an I, a guy telling me, Hey, you know what Paul wrote when he taught that means that writing's okay.
  
    
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  Why don't we just write? And I'm like, wait, are you telling me that teaching could be blogged format like that? Nobody has. I have never heard that. But somebody just kind of, and this is the guy I trust, Jason Morris from Westside family and just, and so we're, we're having lots of these fun conversations in process to try to figure out how a church can function a hundred percent digitally. There's guys like, and I may throw some things out that you don't know, but DJ Soto's doing VR church, I don't know if you're familiar with Jade Earhart is doing a video game. A church is moving that direction, but he's got a discipleship platform for him through discord, literally discipling video gamers who are going out and witnessing while playing Xbox video games, winning people to Christ while winning destiny too. It's just, it's crazy stuff. So here's my question to you, because the average person had just explodes.
  
    
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  Why talk about a lot on the podcast. So if they listen regularly, they've already exploded and it's old news. But for you, I want to ask this question, what are the challenges? What, what, what's the direction? What advice, because we are pioneering towards this digital church thing. You, obviously through the past hour I had very good understanding of discipleship and digital, which are two of the things that I am building this foundation of digital church on. I would love to know your knee jerk reaction and would you be willing to think about it and come back and have another conversation later. We can get the number to you later, but number one, what's your knee jerk reaction? When I talk about a digital only expression of worship. Yeah. Okay. So I've, I've done a lot of thinking around this too. Obviously not as much as you. Yeah. So, but when it comes to this,
  
    
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  Here's the thing, the role of the preach, right? The role of the preach, the role of that community. I still honestly do believe that that's a very important thing for the formation of people. So yes, we need to be self feeders. Yes, we need to, from the research, really be focusing on reading the Bible and being in community and all that stuff. But that gathered expression, that gathered expression is such an important piece of formation that honestly, I don't, you're right. I don't think it has to be in person, but there is an praise the Lord. We're Protestants and we, you know, when it comes to communion, it's just get your own juice and crackers and you know, let's do communion together. I think that's fine. In fact, our church, my church here, Beulah, it's 99 years old used to do radio preaching back in like the 30s, forties where it would be printed in the newspaper. Hey, get your bread and your crackers are your bread and your juice ready because we're going to be committing this Sunday over the radio.
  
    
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  Exactly. Yeah. That is a phenomenal story. I love that. That's great. So, and my church here, I mean over 60 church plants. It's since origin. So it's, I mean, I love multiplication. I love being back here in Canada. But having said all that yes, the gathered experience is so important. We can do it online. I believe it can be, I don't know. I haven't heard a lot of expressions of it being done well, really well online. And I think the technology is still growing. It's still advancing and there's that, it's that tipping. I don't think the tipping point has been met yet on this piece, on this piece. Who knows what the coronavirus is going to do. Like literally I, I just, I really do wonder what the coronavirus is going to do to church online and how it's going to be moving, how it's going to advance a lot of that too. But all that to say, I think the jury is still out in terms of what's the most effective way to do it. But let's experiment.
  
    
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  So I'm not taking that as a roaring endorsement, but I am taking that of Hey, little be interesting to see how far you get. Oh, here, here's the reality is, and I love stadio for doing this. Is there, Hey, we want to throw some research and development behind this and even the posture of when I work with, when I talk specifically with churches that we're looking at to plant these, it's, it's, Hey, we're experimenting. Come be part of the experiment with us. Actually, I, one of the, one of the pastors shot me an email and this, this may be a bad thing, but he, he's like, whether or not we're actually successful in this, we feel like God's calling us to because where we full fail and where we succeed, someone else will come behind. And so the, the, the posture of stadia, which I love is we're going to experiment and we're going to learn through this process.
  
    
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  And if we're successful, awesome. The people behind us are going to have a better shot. And somebody, you know, hate to say somebody's gotta be first. But I feel like, honestly, like I've, I've been wanting to do this, and I don't mean to overstate here, but it's literally been 20 years. I graduated from college in 1999 started a.com right there in the.com boom towards helping churches work through this stuff, like in 2000 right after why? To amen here. OGM man. And it's like I'm trying to find somebody and a man just put the band downs, dance back and forth between gigs and stadiums. Like, Hey, come over here. Let's, let's, let's talk and seeing how they've, they've run with this has been exciting. I hate to, I hate to say it, like I'm going to call you out. Like I'm building some of this stuff around the principles of what you're doing and you're not showing me enough love back.
  
    
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  That's cool. I love you. I still want to have these conversations. I still want to come to the conference in July. I'll have you speak at the conference in July. This will be good. That's awesome, isn't it? Is it in Canada? Is that what? Wheaton. Oh, that's awesome. Very, very cool. Yeah. Well for a lot of trouble. Who knows. I was about to say, Googled a bunch of things happening, but hopefully, hopefully we can get it figured out then. I, yes. So listen, seriously. And I'll turn the corner. Thank you for this podcast. This has been in a world of Corona virus that is just inundating the ability to laugh a little bit here to talk about things that aren't Coronas sensitive. I hope, I hope my audience who hopefully has a similar sense of humor as I do, they seem to enjoy these things. I hope they are enjoying this and in a lot of the conversations. So thank you for this. Just as we're landing the plane, Daniel, any any closing thoughts in anything that, that you want to, to say or,
  
    
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  Or a reference or hit? On my church, we live stream. The number one, how I'm using, how we're using the live stream and leveraging the live stream. I really don't care if people watch it around the world. The one thing I really care about is those in Edmonton and using this as a front door and moving people from that to a gathered location. So I do believe that church online can be leveraged and should be leveraged, especially when the front door is your Instagram or for, I don't even think the front doors, your website anymore, depending on the age is front doors. It's your Instagram account depending on the age or it's your livestream or you know, for certain generations it's your websites. So leverage, how do you leverage that as the new lobby to get people into community and saved and pointed toward Christ and discipled. So yeah, I love it. I love the work that you're doing and the thinking that you're doing toward this. So thank you for doing that, man.
  
    
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  Awesome. And as long as that front door leads into an intentional discipleship process that's utilizing online to make disciples, I love everything that you just said. And, and so, and, and you're literally the guy that wrote the book. So who am I to question that? We're, we're all about you know, the, the no silver bullets you mentioned briefly and not, let's just let you tag on it. What was the, you've got a more recent book that you publish. What gives us
  
    
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  Decent details on that. Yeah. So it's called you are what you do. And six other lies about work, life and love. So it's a book basically on the fact that the gig economy is here. Side hustling is, it's not the questions move from, have you heard of side hustles to what is your side hustles? So it's just an increase. It's a fast growing phenomenon. And I addressed seven lies that have risen to the surface because of this gig economy. And it's, it's a fascinating take, I believe on here's our world is changing. This is the gig economy is affecting work. It's affecting life, it's affecting relationships. And here are seven ways that it's doing that. So it is a discipleship tool, but first and foremost, it really is a tool that I'm hoping that people would use toward evangelistic evangelistic means because it is that sense. Hey, here's the, you've heard it was said, but now I say to you as it says, you know, Matthew five with Jesus. So yeah, that's kind of the premise of the book. Your listeners can definitely look it up if they want.
  
    
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  Awesome. We'll throw some links on the show notes to both books. Of course. No silver bullets is as well as the six lies is what stuck with me, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anywhere what you do. Yeah. You are what you do, which by the way, why not going to, yeah. It's a lie. And I'm not going to show it to my wife cause I don't want to have to relive that conversation. So we're, we are doing very, very well. So Daniel, thank you very much for your time. We're going to wrap here for the church digital podcast audience out there. Thanks for listening and hope you see you next time here at the podcast. Y'all have a good day.
  
    
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      <title>Part Two: A Hub and Spoke Model to Create Digital Community for Small Groups and Sunday School</title>
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                    That’s not a bad strategy and it’s very quick to get this set up in your church. But that approach falls short if you want to make it easy for people not currently in your groups or classes to get easily connected. You can provide the same tools you always do -- a link to a web form or an email address that gets you connected to the staff member or volunteer overseeing your groups ministry. 
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    In a matter of days, the coronavirus pandemic has reshaped American society, unmooring people from the routines and activities that typically provide comfort in moments of crisis: work, worship, concerts, sports, gatherings with family and friends, the embrace of loved ones.
  
  
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    “It feels a little like we are in a snowstorm, an invisible-but-present blizzard, where it is not safe to go outside,” the Roman Catholic Bishop of Albany, Edward B. Scharfenberger, wrote to his diocese. “Home is the safest place to weather a storm.”
  
  
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                    Who better than the church to provide spiritual community for such a time as this? And one of the best ways to do that -- particularly for people not currently involved in your church -- is to pursue a hub and spoke model of digital community.
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                    In the early days of the Sunday School movement in America, people gathered for “opening exercises” for worship and encouragement before breaking into their classes for community and discipleship. In this chaotic and confusing time, with people looking to their church leaders for wisdom and guidance, opening exercises could strengthen, encourage, and comfort those seeking spiritual community. Gathering in a large group to hear from senior leadership and then breaking into small groups for community, discipleship, and prayer brings the best of both worlds.
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                    More recently, many recovery ministries start with a large group time for teaching and testimonies before dispersing into smaller groups. This is particularly effective in creating a single point of entry for those new to recovery or attending for the first time.
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                    So, while it’s possible to have individual leaders hosting their online group meetings or classes separately and independently, it could be beneficial to have a church’s small groups meeting collectively and then separately -- a hub and spoke model.
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                    One tool that works extremely well for this hub and spoke approach is Zoom. 
  
  
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                    Here are a few reasons why Zoom is great tool for bringing your small groups and classes online in a hub and spoke model:
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                    Here’s the beauty of a hub and spoke model -- as long as you won’t exceed 200 simultaneous participants you can publish a single URL on your website or on social media and anyone -- whether they are currently in your groups system or not -- can easily join from a browser or mobile device.
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                    None of us knows how long the current crisis will continue. People need God -- and the church -- more than ever. Digital community might be the only way to gather for a season, but what starts in crisis often foreshadows a new normal. Think about how digital community might work in more normal times -- consider the needs of people who travel for work or are shut in and can’t meet physically. Don’t settle for online worship only -- build digital communities for the kingdom
  
  
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      <title>How to Quickly Bring Your Church's Small Groups or Sunday School Classes Online for Digital Community</title>
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                    Coronavirus (COVID-19) has had a dramatic impact on all areas of society, including the church. As I write, President Donald Trump has just strongly discouraged all gatherings larger than 10 people, and multiple counties in California have instituted shelter-in place measures to restrict 
  
  
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                    In response, many churches met online this week -- which, for most churches, meant a live or on-demand version of the Sunday morning message. That’s a great start, and will provide spiritual encouragement for many in this tumultuous time. There are numerous resources available for quickly launching online services, including those right here at 
  
  
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   than a large group gathering. The early church met in both the temple courts and house to house. Modern churches gather in smaller groups throughout the week. These groups include small groups meeting in homes. Many churches still have a traditional Sunday School model or group-based children’s and student ministries. And many church-based recovery meetings include small groups in addition to a larger group gathering.
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                    With the government now discouraging gatherings of ten or more, and many believers cautious about meeting face to face in any size group, how can a church meet online in both large and small venues? How can we provide community digitally in a time when social distancing and work from home policies are likely to 
  
  
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   loneliness and isolation at the very times people need it most?
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                    The what is obvious: meet online rather than face to face. This article will address 
  
  
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                    Many people leading small groups will have already taken steps to connect digitally with their group. And they will have often chosen platforms they are familiar with. While this initiative is to be applauded, it can also present challenges in bringing your whole church together in digital community. Here are some of those challenges.
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                    A group Facetime call seems like a great idea. Until you realize that people who don’t have Apple devices can’t participate. Same thing with Facebook Messenger group calls -- not everyone has a Facebook account. Skype? Same problem.
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                    For global users, the same thing is true of WhatsApp. If digital community is to be available to everyone, you need a system that works on all devices -- iPhone, Android, Mac, Windows, Chromebooks, and even Linux -- so that it can include all people.
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                    Ideally, your digital community needs to pass the grandma test -- if the only thing grandma knows how to do is click a link in a web browser, then your digital community needs to be accessible to grandma. 
  
  
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                    Want to do a group Facetime call? Then you need to create that group in advance. Want to do a group video call on Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp? Want to use Skype? Same challenge. If you want to include everyone without building a whole series of groups in advance, you need a solution that allows you to invite people with a simple URL, so that anyone with internet access can easily join. 
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                    This is particularly important if you want to connect people who are currently not participating in your groups, classes or recovery ministry. People are already looking for community, and that need will only grow as social distancing leads to greater social isolation and loneliness.
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                    If you’re running a decentralized small group ministry where each small group leader takes the initiative to provide digital community, then all you need to do is offer them a few technical solutions that meet the criteria above, some coaching in how to use those platforms, and then send them off to host and lead their groups. If this is the model you choose to pursue, then any of the following platforms will be helpful: 
  
  
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                    But there are significant advantages to a “hub and spoke model” which brings people together into a large group digital gathering before breaking them into smaller groups. These advantages are particularly helpful for groups that normally meet in the same physical time and space, like recovery ministries, student ministries, and Sunday School ministries. But this model also has significant advantages for decentralized small group systems. We’ll take a look at that hub and spoke model in part two of this article.
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                    We’re only two weeks, maybe three, into Coronavirus. Look at how the American Church has changed. Tens of thousands of churches are flocking to online to broadcast services, so much so (ironically) that software and hardware providers are struggling to keep up with the demand. Before Coronavirus (BCV) churches freaked at the idea of doing a digital-only expression of church. Today, well, churches are onboarding by the throngs, working to broadcast services online.
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                    In the face of adversity, many churches have boldly stood their ground, working tirelessly to figure out how to broadcast their services online for the first time. Some are even taking the next step of moving small groups online. The Church, less than a month ago, did not believe that Biblical Community could exist online. Churches all over the country are now proving that it is possible. Big churches and small churches, modern churches and traditional churches, denominational and non-denominational… many of us are stepping up in this Coronavirus season and embracing online.
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                    A friend asked me the other day if I was proud of the Church in this season, as we turn the corner and embrace not just communicating, but doing ministry, online. My answer wholeheartedly is “Yes.” Prayerfully, churches will learn lessons in this Coronavirus season that will help the church moving forward. But I wonder, in the midst of the Coronavirus, if we the Church are answering the wrong question.
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                    You see, I think the question the Church is answering is “how do we keep things as normal as possible?” Maybe that’s the right question. Maybe, just maybe, we’re missing an opportunity, and we should be answering another question. My heart asks questions like: What does it look like to make a disciple? What if our Churches Online were more than just online church services? What does multiplication look like in this Coronavirus season? What if, during this Coronavirus season, Church Onlines were centered around making disciple-makers?
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                    We’ve had this conversation time and time again over here at THECHURCH.DIGITAL. 
  
  
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                    You see, the heart behind all of these conversations are simple… the Church today is missing something. And Coronavirus may be the time for our churches to shift. Our church services, our content, is only as effective as it drives people to action. The gospel we hear in our online world must impact our offline world. Our church content must drive us to action.
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                    Maybe the real question isn’t “How can we effectively keep things normal?”
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                    Or maybe the real question is “How can we effectively keep our people on mission?”
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                    As fun as this exercise is to help churches figure out how to stream, and and rewarding as seeing people connect, maybe we’re really answering the wrong question. 
  
  
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                    So, what do you think? What does it look like to keep someone “on mission” in this Coronavirus season?
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                    So, for a couple of months now we, THECHURCH.DIGITAL and Stadia Church Planting, were on an experiment to develop a new model of church. One that was not grounded on physical locations for ministry, for discipleship… one that met the biblical standards, the biblical ecclesiology of church, digitally. I’ve written blogs, recorded podcasts, facilitated virtual conversations, even sat around coffee shops having these philosophical “what if” questions. 
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                    The response? Before Coronavirus (BCV), the conversations were mixed at best. The controversial idea of a Digital-only Church affects people differently, as the conversation ultimately challenged people’s opinions, traditions of church. Honestly, the conversation leads to extreme reactions. I either get the joyous “Thank God, I’ve been waiting for someone to do this! How can I help?” to the furious “I don’t know what you think this is, but it’s not church.” Very rarely is it a lukewarm reaction. Regardless, we pressed on, developing a theoretical model.
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                    Then, Coronavirus happened and we, the Church world, got proverbially punched in the face. The great theologian Mike Tyson said it best: “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” Well, Coronavirus forced the church overall to rethink its strategy. Pastors who had once said “I am theologically against streaming services online” were now scrambling to find streaming solutions for online. Volunteers who didn’t even know Zoom existed a couple weeks earlier are now creating tutorials on how to use the software, and training church members on how to use it. Our worship centers, our buildings, our physical church… shut down for the foreseeable future.
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                    Congratulations. Today, many, many churches are digital-only.
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                    Church, while asking these questions you may find yourself not only learning more about Church Online in this Coronavirus season, but maybe you’ll discover something about Church overall. Continually praying for not only our digital-only churches, but all churches in this Coronavirus season, that God would do something God-sized in our midst.
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      <pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:41:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    Early on in my church online life, I heard this saying, “Numbers matter because people count,” and it’s stuck with me as the litmus test for what numbers I track and why.
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                    If you are just getting into Church Online, the numbers available can be overwhelming. Every platform has their own way to track information and it often seems like comparing one platform to another is like comparing fruit to an automobile.
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                    Here’s a quick firehose lesson in what numbers matter on each platform so that you can get the best picture of what people are doing no matter what platform they find you on. As you look at these numbers, it’s helpful to think of them as giving you a picture over time of what is happening and not necessarily a 100% accurate understanding of an individual event. 
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                    If you have a custom app for tv streaming providers, they will likely have similar analytics available to what is above. Roku provides stats for their direct publishing channels. Their stats include things like number of new installs, average minutes per viewer, number of channel visitors, number of streaming visitors, number of streams per visitor. The ones I find most helpful here are the number of streaming visitors and the number of streams per visitor. How many people watch something and how many people watch more than one thing.
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                    While there are many different numbers available across platforms, focus on your top one or two platforms and the numbers that connect into the mission of your church. Some numbers are periphery and can actually distract from your end goal. Keep it simple. Focus on 3 to 4 numbers and watch them over time. Those numbers should be numbers that show the number of viewers or actual interactions with content OR should be numbers that allow you to evaluate potential changes and inform a decision your leadership team is considering. Don’t measure everything. It’s an easy way to get overwhelmed.
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    All of these tools are all to be used to work as smart as possible, it will reduce the amount of time that you worry about what posts to create and remembering to actually post them. Use these tools to sharpen your tools of ministry that you might be able to reach more people and deepen the impact of your ministry!
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                    If you need some help in developing your standard responses or some quick graphics to share with your staff during this time, schedule a time for free to talk with me using the "Quick Questions" appointment 
  
  
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                    I want to give four suggestions for small churches thinking about online experiences. Here at THECHURCH.DIGITAL, we define an online experience as broadcasting a church service or part of a church service. This is different than a digital church, online church, or online ministry.
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                    A family came into our service in a snowstorm last weekend. I am good with faces, so I knew that I hadn’t met them before. The wife volunteered that they found us online and decided to come. We get that a lot at our small church. Our online experience helps people know what to expect if they come and lowers their anxiety.
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                    An online experience is better than a good website because it gives a peek into the week-to-week experience at the church. Leaders want to say that the church is about relationships or discipleship or mission or life-change. But those are not what people think about when they are looking for a church. They want to know what the service is like. An online experience shows the church at this moment in time. That increases the trust-factor.
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                    We never know when someone is ready to hear the good news of Jesus. But if we have an accessible online experience, then we don’t have to tell a person looking for hope to come back on Sunday. 
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                    We can encourage a hurting person who needs to hear that God is near to the brokenhearted. Our parenting series is available to those who feel inadequate and unsure how raise their kids. We don’t have to make people wait for the next time the series is offered.
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                    In a small church, you likely do some things well and some things not so well. Make a priority out of the things that you do well and feature those in your online experience. I learned this principle from Karl Vaters in 
  
  
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                    We had a rough patch when transitioning worship leaders, so we cut out the musical portion of our online experience and went straight from our sermon bumper to the sermon. Our engagement in our online experience doubled after we cut out the poorly done worship. 
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                    You might prerecord the sermon with a close-up camera so that you can feature a better video. If you post it as an online experience, no one has to know that you prerecorded it. That gives you the chance to fix audio, get better camera angles, and edit in series graphics, and videos. 
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                    The mission of the church is to make disciples. Disciples need content to help them grow. Romans 12:1 says, “be transformed by the renewal of your mind.” Social media allows us to help people be transformed by renewing their mind with content that we already have.
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                    *Some people say, “sermons don’t make disciples.” If that is true for you, then you should reevaluate your preaching and services. Drop anything that doesn’t make disciples.
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                    Content is what churches specialize in. Why not use your sermons, bible studies, classes, etc. to make disciples throughout the week? A regular and well-done online experience can help make disciples during the week through the content that we are already producing. With very little work, the content we already produce can be repackaged and available for ministry throughout the week.
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                    With church buildings closing and thousands of churches frantically broadcasting their Sunday services online for the first time in hopes of giving people an option, I have to wonder.
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                    Why?
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                    I mean, if we’re going to do a big production in the building on Sunday, I get it, let’s not waste all that effort and resources. Let’s magnify our reach and broadcast that message online. Technology can be a wonderful force multiplier. It can also be a wonderful disrupter and sometimes, disruption is a good thing.
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                    Now we’re being disrupted by COVID-19 too and it’s forcing us all to get creative, and this presents a wonderfully disruptive opportunity for Jesus’ Kingdom.
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                    The prevailing model of church is so accustomed to doing ministry en-masse, but Jesus did much of His ministry with small groups of people. In fact, the smaller the group, the deeper the ministry. This is our time to trade crowds for connection. Even Jesus handled the feeding of the crowds by sub-grouping into smaller groups. We need to flip our ministry models to empower
  
  
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                    We HAVE to let the people be the church, or it doesn’t get done. That’s a healthy disruption. Churches that are equipping the saints for the work of the ministry are winning big time right now.
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                    I’m an early adopter of technology. I always enjoyed using Amazon Prime, Uber-eats, Netflix, and Microsoft Teams. This week it feels like I need them to survive. Each of these technologies have overnight taken over entire industries and created new ones.
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                    Enter Church Online.
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                    The online audience is not just the primary audience right now, it’s the only audience. Now people can interact in their homes with a church service instead of just consuming content.
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                    Sunday is a big deal because, for some, that’s all we get. That puts a lot of weight on Sunday, it can be a lot of pressure. It’s like some families make a big deal about Thanksgiving dinner because it’s the only meal the family eats together the whole year (maybe that’s why it can be awkward). For other families, Sunday dinner is important because it’s the only time during the week the whole family is together.
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                    If church on Sunday is all you get, you better make it awesome.
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                    But what if you were like the Church in Acts where they met daily? Then the pressure’s off for Sunday.
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                    People don’t expect much right now, the virus is shutting everything down and all we hear is negative. Anyone doing anything, let alone creative, out of the box thinking making a positive difference sticks out like crazy. We can trade anger for action.
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                    Experiment! Shake it up! It’s better than nothing and if it doesn’t work, you can blame it on the virus. It seems like that’s what everyone else is doing!
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                    How are your office walls feeling around you right now?
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                    Like they’re closing in, Episode-4-trash-compactor style? (Congrats if you’re on the same page as me there)
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                    We’re only about 14 days removed from the entire Western world starting to shut down, having to look to work-at-home methods for many people in an attempt to curb the effects of COVID-19. It’s caused fear, anguish, strife, panic, struggle, and any other negative emotion you can think of.  
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                    People are isolating themselves in droves. Here in the Tampa area, where I live, we’re looking at a mandatory “shelter in place” rule coming down in the coming days.  
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                    The recommended mandated isolation time went from, “This is going to be a 14 day thing,” to, “Well, looks like August to September of 2020” in just a matter of days.
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                    This is all happening incredibly quickly, and it’s opened up a variety of problems.
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                    For many churches, the move to online-only gatherings has been a scramble to get online streams off the ground. **SIDENOTE: if this was your first or second time broadcasting a service, CONGRATULATIONS! Seriously. It’s incredible.**
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                    But isolation has left a community-sized hole in the heart of the body of Christ. Churches live and breathe community (at least, they SHOULD). And yet, they’re being told not to gather in physical groups.
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                    A daunting step, but a VITAL one to the health of your people, especially in the face of such trouble.
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                    A DISCLAIMER: If you’ve been doing online groups and already have a fully developed structure, then good on you. You’re dismissed. Go walk the halls.
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                    However, if this is your first shot at online church, or if you’re just beginning to see the value of online groups, read on!
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                    We as church leaders need to realize that our people need us to act swiftly and efficiently, ESPECIALLY when it comes to groups.  We need them FAST. 
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                    Remember: your people want to know that you’re there, that you care about them, and that you are in this with them. What better way than to have a group with them?
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    With the reductions and restrictions of large gatherings over the past week, churches all over the world have been forced to create a space for their church family to gather together on the weekend, without physically being next to one another. For portable City Light Church in Rochester Hills, MI, this meant immediate action of creatively deciding how to continue meeting after being asked to vacate the school they were meeting in until the threat of the coronavirus has subsided.
  
  
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    “On Wednesday, March 11th, I received a call from our school telling us that due to the virus they were canceling all reservations and outside renters effective immediately,” Lead Pastor, Jason Rollin, says. The school has not given City Light Church a return date, nor an exact process of how they will be notified of a reinstatement of their rental agreement. Since the school is complying to state and federal requests to temporarily shut the school down, once those authorities give the ‘all clear’, City Light will be allowed to return.
  
  
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    When asked what his initial thinking and plan was after the school informed him of the shut down, Pastor Jason explained, “My initial thinking was simple… how can we still have church? I remembered getting emails from Portable Church® Industries about their new live streaming solution in the beginning of March. I never thought we were ready or in a good place to begin live streaming yet, so I didn’t give it much thought at the time. But when everything happened with our school, I immediately remembered the emails from PCI.” Pastor Jason goes on to explain how he immediately called Portable Church® Industries after being notified of the shut down and asked if the new CODE Series streaming solutions would work for them. “They were very confident this could be an answer to prayer. After checking to see how many they had left in stock, they discovered there was only one more unit available at the time. I said yes, I’ll take it!”
  
  
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                    A crisis can send a church into a frenzy if there is not an organized plan that is enacted with careful consideration. Whether it is a National Emergency, like the Coronavirus that we are currently living, or dealing with the infidelity of a church leader, these tips for handling a crisis on Social Media can help you stay ahead of the game.
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                    Church, we survived. Church Appreciation Sunday is a fact. Church Online Platform reports over 10,000 new accounts created. Countless more of you streamed on Facebook and other social media. Congratulations.
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    I realized something was up today when I saw many of my friends from seminary post their church’s livestream for the very first time. I didn’t realize what a groundbreaking thing video was because I have a lot of friends in the church online and digital ministry spaces. But these were large churches and small churches, Southern and Northern, and church online was brand new for them. They “broadcasted” a version of their service for the very first time.
  
  
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    COVID-19 will not always be with us. Churches won’t be cancelled or banned for long. Once this is over, you can go back to normal and pick up where you left off. While churches are cancelled for the next few weeks, let me ask you to think outside the box and pick a new target for your service.
  
  
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    You see the mandate of the church is to make disciples, not hold services. Services are a means to an end. So rather than try to figure out how to put your service online, why not take the chance to see how you can make disciples with your livestream. 
  
  
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    Think about the coming weeks as a chance to continue to do ministry. We’re using digital tools to do ministry, not to conduct services. 
  
  
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    Pick a place or setting that allows you to communicate what you want to communicate. Don’t pick your scene because it is bland or because it is normal. Pick a place that communicates what you want to communicate. If you are at the office, preach from your office. If you are at home, why not use your home as the setting. The church lobby could be a good setting, but the scene you use communicates a lot.
  
  
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    Try putting different elements together to make the discipleship opportunity that you want. Instead of the normal 3 songs, offering and message, you could prerecord the message right out of your office or den, add an intro, add a clip asking for prayer requests, and then go live at the end of the prerecorded sections to pray for those things right there on the livestream.
  
  
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    Instead of being so concerned with getting your online giving included in the service (you should have online giving already), why not focus on how to bless, pray for, and engage your church and community.
  
  
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    Going online should increase the “touch” not decrease it. You are not broadcasting a message or service, you are participating with people who watch and engage. Answer their questions in the comments, thank them for being there, follow up with every comment. It is extra work, but it is a high touch thing that makes the difference.
  
  
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    So, what’s the plan? By now, you and a few other hundred thousand churches in the US and abroad have been forced to stop and RE-THINK the plan or the strategy. You have probably been working up a new strategy on how to...
  
  
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    Chances are you are bleeding, everyone is. The faster we accept it, the faster we can move forward. This season is the great equalizer for every church, big and small. First, we must recognize that our churches are filled with different types of givers. Folks who give occasionally, regularly, in smaller amounts, and others in larger amounts. In this 
  
  
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    Shepherding this group well today will be what is best for them as donors; they need to hear from their pastor, as their sense of power and security has slipped dramatically in the last week. They need to be comforted, guided, prayed for, and ministered to. They also need to be invited to trust the Lord with what they do have, be faithful in obedience, be shown how their offerings and gifts are being used in this season, and be thanked appropriately for their giving.
  
  
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    Over the last four years at First Capital Christian Church, where I get to pastor, we have seen an incredible philosophy shift happen where our people have begun to truly grasp the idea of “Church Anywhere.” We saw it start with a digital expression of our worship services, but then it morphed into something we didn’t see coming. We saw our people use our Digital Church model and morph it with our Physical church model. We saw our people be “the Church” outside of the walls of First Capital’s broadcast campus and we have seen God move in a mighty way since then.
  
  
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                    One of my favorite stories from “Church Anywhere” over the last few years has been Steve and Lori Carpenter’s story. They fit the bill on all three of the above points. They were our very first neighborhood micro-site and we had simply asked them to do church in their home using our Online Services. It went pretty well for a while following the traditional church model, but Lori and Steve are passionate for helping special needs adults, so we encouraged them to follow that passion! Now, they are volunteer campus pastors (our language for Church Anywhere leaders) for a church of about 15-20 faithful special needs adults, workers, and parents. They are helping people find and follow Jesus, Anywhere.
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                    Three years ago, Jeff Reed dared me to try an experiment. We were on staff at the same church. He was the online guy and I was the Stewardship Pastor. His challenge was to run a virtual Financial Peace University class and see how well it worked.
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                    If you’ve seen the opening sequence for The Brady Bunch, you’ve got a pretty good idea of what our virtual class looked like—a flight attendant, martial arts instructor, mechanic, and church staff member lined up in a grid across my screen. We got together every Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. for half an hour.
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                    Here at Ramsey Solutions, I’ve been telling churches about our virtual classes ever since I was hired. The FPU virtual format makes it just as easy to lead a virtual group as a physical one. As churches cancel their weekly gatherings, I’ve even had discussions about converting physical classes to online formats.
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                    People are worried about their finances. This is true when times are good, and it’s especially true when negative news dominates the headlines. If you’re looking for a way to encourage and equip people when you can’t be with them personally, a virtual FPU class is one easy step you can take. You can read about it at 
  
  
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    I’ve been involved with online church for almost eight years now, and in the early days I learned that people wanted to get more involved than just watching the service. Today, it is common to see online churches offering different ways for people to engage besides the weekend streaming. This can happen in many different ways such as online groups, hang outs, house campuses, and even through giving financially. There is a big question that remains…how do you get your online audience to support the church financially?
  
  
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                    Sunday, March 15, 2020 will be a day that we as online pastors, will remember for a long time. It was a day like none other, where the majority of churches in America had to count on one single resource to connect with their congregation. If COVID19 had presented itself just few years ago, most churches in our country would have simply closed their doors as they would not have had an option that would allow them to bring corporate worship to those staying home. 
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                    Based on some conversations with online pastors around the country, they saw a tremendous spike in viewership numbers on this one particular Sunday. I imagine that come Monday morning, lead pastors from every church will be asking the same questions: How many people watched online? And mainly, how real are those numbers?
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                    If you see a lot of locals coming to your broadcast weekly, it might be an indicator of some reasons why people are not coming into your physical building. This could mean that there is a potential for your church to see local ministry in a different way. Remember, data never lies. See this as an opportunity and not a challenge.
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                    Every week, I report our lowest number that is attached to engagement. Throughout the years, one of biggest question I receive from church people is “how real are those numbers?” I can say that they are real, because I can back it up by simple data, giving numbers and other activities like online groups. At the end of the day, it is about that one person, the one who is connecting for the first time looking for some hope, or asking for some life answers. Online church, like the physical church, will make a big impact both locally and globally, one life at a time.
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                    The big churches have the toys and the budget. They've got capacity to broadcast, to stream services. But where does that leave small churches? Hoping that Coronavirus was a one, maybe two week gap. CDC's most recent announcement Sunday night paints a different picture. We've got at least eight weeks of this mess, it looks like... maybe more. And if it does clear in eight weeks, the emotional makeup of our attenders will be a wreck. It's going to take the world some time to return to normal, if it returns to normal.
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                    Small Church, the world needs you, now. Small Church, find a way. Don't let Coronavirus overcome your ministry. Embrace digital, now.
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                    Jeff here. Sunday March 15th, 2020 was the beginning of a culture shift for Church Online. Life.church is guesstimating that 2500+ churches streamed for the first time to their Church Online Platform. Even more I'm sure hit social media. (I'm on the phone with Hallmark to make March 15th officially becomes Church Online Appreciation Day!) But we do know this. Church is more than just Sunday. And with gathering even impacting Church Office workspace, what are we to do. 
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                    Enter Philip Paul. I've met, demoed, and worked with Philip's team as they've developed this Hub365 software, and truthfully I'm excited about it's implications for the church... more than ever as Church Staff are now moving to Virtual Office.
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  "Reducing large gatherings." - President Trump said it in his broadcast Wednesday night. Whether Coronavirus gets to a full-fledge pandemic here in America, we are seeing the effects culturally. Virtually, all of us are on lockdown at this point. What's next?

  
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  Here's our reality. Our world, our culture is being impacted by Coronavirus. How is your church responding? Church Online is part of the solution for your Coronavirus problem. Let’s discover how.

  
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  Joining Jeff is Greg Nettle, President of Stadia Church Planting, Ben Cachiras from Mountain Christian Church, and Nathan Hawkins, from Stadia in a information conversation surrounding the how to do ministry, how to do Church, how to BE the Church, when locked down.

  
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                    I learned names and faces and families and pains and joys and struggles and everything in between.  I invested in this guild, and they invested in me. We became a community of people, some of whom I still regularly talk to almost 15 years later!
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                    See, God instilled inside each one of us a deep desire to BELONG.  To be TOGETHER. Even at the beginning of creation, God made Eve because, “It is not good for man to be alone.” (
  
  
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                    Alone in a room with a phone or a tablet or computer screen watching someone teach or watching a worship team sing songs.  
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                    We live in a world FULL of Christian “stuff”. A million different Youtube sermons, Instagram clips, podcasts, blogs, songs, videos, sound bites, memes….all a simple Google search away.  
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                    We can DIY our faith with modern technology, can’t we?
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                    Here’s the rub, though: all of that is BY YOURSELF, nobody else in the chat with you.  Nobody else on the line WITH you. Nobody together WITH you.
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   church that physical church locations refer to as their model for a “one another” faith is perfect.  Meeting together in homes. Serving one another. Giving all that they have. Perfect Biblical ideals.  
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                    Small groups are the answer to the “DIY” faith that we are faced with.  
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                    Immediately, there’s always going to be a push-back: “I can see a video of you, but how can I get to know just a video of you?”  
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      <pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    The COVID-19 epidemic already appears to be very bad. Most people don’t yet know someone with COVID-19, but you likely know someone having trouble paying their bills because they work an hourly job in the service industry. You likely know someone whose retirement next year looks harder because the market is 20% down from one month ago. Someone’s dreams and plans for the coming months are put on hold. As colleges suspend, cancel, and change classes, the last months of some students’ senior year and job prospects look radically different.. Those are the realities right now. Down the road, more people will be grieving the death of loved ones.
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                    How should we think Christianly about COVID-19? How do we engage emotionally with this Coronovirus crisis?
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                    In the face of so much uncertainty, great, and sadness, I think we start with grief. Grief for ourselves and grief for others. Matthew 5:4 says, “"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.” We should lean in to mourning. This is a time to weep with those who weep and not a time to make and share funny jokes. This is a time to lean into the grief of these days. This is something that we do not do well in America. We fight. We fix. We plan. We work. What is lost is the time and attention to weep.
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                    When we look at the empty shelves in the store, we can grieve for those who don’t have a Costco nearby or the money to stock up for three weeks. When we see people shopping with ski gloves and dust masks, we think about the fear that they must be facing. We don’t understand their fear, but we can grieve it. 
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                    COVID-19 and the underlying virus can threaten a lot of things. It is a threat to life, to health, to work, to finances. It seems to disrupt daily life, relationships, our economy, etc. 
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                    If you are like me, the threat produces fear. We fear both the virus and the effects of the virus. What we hold dear is now uncertain.
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                    Where do we turn in the uncertainty? What is the Christian reaction to the threat and the fear?
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                    There is one thing that cannot be threatened by Coronavirus: your identity in Christ. If you are in Christ, then there is nothing that COVID-19 can do to separate you from God’s love for you in Christ. 
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                    Romans 8:35 says, “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?” This virus threatens so many of those things, danger, hunger, nakedness, death. But COVID-19 cannot separate you from the love of God in Christ. His love is rolling and reigning in your life even in danger.
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                    The Christian response to Coronavirus is not to claim that it cannot affect you or threaten you. The Christian response is that it cannot threaten what is truly valuable. 
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                    Psalm 27:1 says, “The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?”
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                    It is our relationship with God that drives out fear, not reassurance about the situation. I know of no verse in the Bible that says, “Do not fear because things are not that bad.” God calls us away from fear because we are known by him and relate to him.
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                    I went to Costco on Thursday. It was our normal shopping day and the beginning of our budget month, so I had extra food and supplies that I would normally buy. The store was the busiest it has ever been. Employees told me that the last three days were busier than any Black Friday they had ever had. One woman with two babies stopped me and asked me if I was afraid to have my 2 year old with me with all the people in masks and gloves. I mumbled a poor response to why I wasn’t afraid. I was shopping and caught in my own rush to finish my errands. This is what I wished I had the time and attention to share with her: Jesus is my shepherd and he promises to be with me through the valley of the shadow of death.
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                    *Recommendation: Read and Meditate on Psalm 27 in these days because the entire Psalm deals with fear and uncertainty and pain.
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                    The effects of COVID-19 will be widespread. Death is not the only one and definitely not the most common. Whole countries are shutting down their schools, businesses, and gatherings. If that happens here, there will be people who work in service-industry jobs who will not earn money as long as the shut-down continues. There will be people self-quarantining at home who may not have the food, medicines, and supplies to get them through 14 days. The hospitalization rate is high for the virus, so many people will have large medical bills to pay after this is over. 
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                    If Jesus meant it when he said, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” then Christians cannot ignore the needs and vulnerabilities of those who live around us. If the disease is not likely to be fatal to you, then you are still responsible to not spread it so that the elderly or weaker people around you contract it. Loving your neighbor means not spreading lies or deceitful stories about what and how to treat the disease. Loving your neighbor might mean checking on your elderly neighbor, bringing food to someone struggling to pay the bills, etc.
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                    When the bubonic plague ravaged Europe, Christians took people into their homes and went to the cities to care for the sick. We know them as heroes today for demonstrating Christ-like love, compassion, and service. We have the opportunity to rise up as heroes to serve our communities, or we can stand on the sidelines and mock our neighbors, their situations, and their worries: "As long as it doesn't kill me, I don't care what it does to everyone else” is not a Christian response.
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                    Join with Christians throughout the ages who lived as heroes when their neighbors needed them most. Join with Jesus who "did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant," Philippians 2:6-7.
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      <pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:35:00 GMT</pubDate>
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  During the next few weeks, and possibly months, many churches across the country will rely on the online church experience to keep both physical church attendees and online communities engaged with all things church.

  
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  The important thing to know is that engagement is possible! This is a great opportunity to show everyone in your church the value and importance of having a good and reliable online church experience.

  
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  Here are few tips to help take your online church experience to the next level and to keep your audience engaged during this time and even beyond:

  
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  When welcoming everyone online, recognize those who are regular attendees at the physical church, but chose to stay home on this particular day. This will show them that you know they are there and that they count.

  
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                    Odds are your social media feed is consumed with concerns over the Coronavirus (COVID-19). The worldwide fear is causing concerns over meeting in public spaces, and ensuring that we are all using proper washing techniques in order to stop the spread of this harmful disease. 
  
  
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                    I want to make this clear, if you are not a medical expert, you may not want to speak into the validity of claims over this illness, or spread articles from blogs and news sites. People have died from complications caused by this virus. We should take it seriously, but at the same time, not spread fear. Your congregation does not need to hear your medical opinion, they need to understand how they should trust God and love their neighbor. You have an opportunity to encourage others to love during this time. 
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                    Your people are more plugged in than they have ever been to digital tools. Take this opportunity to let them know the game plan that you have regarding ministerial changes for your services. At my church, we have to deal with the threat of hurricanes, so we have a plan “in the can” should the threat of a hurricane warning stop us from having services. Developing a plan means sitting with your leadership at the table, and coming to a decision on youth events, mission trips, small groups, and services. Be as clear as possible before communicating to your congregation. You should come up with a plan first, and then communicate it clearly on your website, email blasts, and social media channels. 
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                    Pray for and with your people. Rather than criticize others for their concerns or spread jokes on social media, meet them with empathy through prayer. Many business owners and employees might be experiencing uncertainty about their jobs considering the shutdowns that are happening because of this disease. Parents have concerns for their children contracting the virus at their schools. You can begin engaging this fear head on through prayer, and teach your church that there is no problem too big or small to take to the Lord. You can leverage Facebook Live and YouTube Live to host prayer services. Have someone in the chat to take requests as you pray for your people out loud. Prayer is our opportunity to give our concerns to God. 
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                    Whether coronavirus is a legitimate fear or not is not the topic of conversation here. Fact is, we face all sorts of city-wide emergencies on a regular basis. Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Bitter Cold... Institutional churches face challenges like this on a regular basis in situations that prevent them from gathering.
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                    That's where we are with this podcast. Whether coronavirus is a thing or not isn't the point. Your church needs a plan, and we're providing you, well, at least the start of that plan! So join Jeff, Rey, as well as, Kevin Lee from Saddleback Church, Jason Days from Outreach Magazine, and Andrew Statezny from CDF Capital, as we discuss the Church and Preparing for Emergencies
  
  
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  Well, Hey, welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. This is Episode 52 for those of you that are keeping track at home and we're doing a special edition here for the episode. Normally we were supposed to have this awesome conversation about, the biblical functions of a digital church. We're just not gonna go there cause I really felt like we needed to head in a different direction as we're looking more and more at coronavirus and what's happening with that. And this is not meant to be an alarmist episode. I probably actually do lean a little bit more to the alarmist side, but honestly the conversation of how church online, how can reinforce and help the church and maybe helping churches develop a strategy for how to handle situations, when catastrophes are happening or when they're about to happen or after they happen.
  
    
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  It's kind of important. I, myself, the church that I was at First Baptist Church of Perrine, 1992 got hit by Hurricane Andrew. The roof fell within the church. I, myself, in the house where I was at, I spent the majority of that hurricane, that Sunday night to Monday morning, huddled in the minivan in my garage as the rest of the house around me, was exploding and literally exploding because the pressure was more inside than out. And then it just kind of exploded. But what the fun part of it was my entire family, my dog, and my 87 year old great aunt were all huddled in this van because that was the safest place and then it took us 18 months, to get our lives back together. It took the church probably 16 months to reopen and we can, we know that tragedies like this happen.
  
    
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  So whether corona happens or if you're in, you know, the East coast, Southeast, like I am, hurricanes, or if you're in the Midwest dealing with tornadoes, I.E. Nashville, even this week, or if you're on the West coast, dealing with the earthquakes and everything that's there. I do think it's important for churches to have a strategy up front to try to figure out how to respond in those situations. Oftentimes when you do it after the fact, especially when you're talking technology, you don't have that infrastructure in place, but even a couple of conversations up front can help you go a long way in the midst of the "storms of life". So I wanted to bring together a panel of some guys and really just wanted to talk through some options about this. So I've got four people jumping on here, Andrew Statezny from at, well, Andrew, why don't you just take a minute and introduce yourself?
  
    
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  Andrew is a great guy working in the church and online circles and I've loved rubbing shoulders with him and had some of these conversations as well. I'm bringing in Kevin Lee from Saddleback. Kevin's no stranger to the podcast. Kevin was on probably episode eight or nine. It's been a while talking about a lot of the perceived issues that people have with church online. But Kevin, why don't you just a little bit what you specifically do a over there
  
    
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  Saddleback. Yeah, Jeff, good to be back. Thanks for having me. And, I'm the small groups pastor for the online campus at Saddleback. I've been doing that for two years and I just, I just want to thank you for having me because this was, this episode was born out of my Facebook posts, kind of crying out for help. So thanks. Thanks for doing that, Jeff.
  
    
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  Awesome. Yeah, Kevin, Kevin posted on, well, we're going to get into that here in a little bit, listen to introduce the rest, but I do want to spend time on that post. We've got Jason Daye, from Outreach Magazine. Probably my newest friend. I met Jason over at Exponential Conference and I've loved spending some time with him. So Jason, man, just tell us a little bit about what you do for outreach.
  
    
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  Yeah, for sure. thank you so much Jeff that decided to be on here with you guys. yeah, the vice president of mobilization and outreach. So I oversee our major ministry initiatives. Also host the church leaders podcast, serve as Executive Director of National Back to Church Sunday and so do a lot of speaking and training and kind of strategizing with denominations and ministry organizations, church planting networks, local churches on how to be more effective in sharing the gospel.
  
    
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  That's an awesome, well let me ask this, like, you know, here in America, I, I'm speculating, but the number of churches versus the number of churches that are probably doing something online, and I don't know, one of you may have better stats, but it feels like it's one to 2% of churches that are broadcasting something. You know, I'm looking at 350,000 evangelical churches. Maybe there's 25,000 at this point that are, think are there on church, online platform. So I mean even if it's 3% it's a very small percentage and I think we can safely say that. What is that that are already doing church line? Is it like that in Korea? Is there more or less? What does it look like? Do you know?
  
    
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  All the, not all, but majority of churches, and I say this in a church perspective and majority of the churches are turning to online and not many meeting physically. And that that's also some other, you know, political campaigns, or their social kind of gatherings are all being canceled and churches are probably the biggest because they meet regularly.
  
    
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  Thank you. Know something every, every operationally the city is fine. Like it was, it was funny, even my wife and I, we were, we were dialoguing through like our house. Like what do we need to go by? And I immediately went to like, okay, buy meat for the grill. Cause I can cook with propane when the pot, when the power's out. And she's like, but the power will be fine like, we'll be able to watch Netflix all day long if we were, you know, had to, we had to be, you know, locked in for some reason or something. So it's a completely different paradigm than even what I'm used to in context of this. And so one of the things that I'd love to do just with, with the guys that are on here is just to start to dialogue through, you know, there are some things that I think and Kevin brought up, the thing about, giving and honestly in my knee, knee jerk reaction was, man, I really feel like a lot of churches here in America, like understand the online giving component piece.
  
    
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  Yeah, I feel like online giving, has become a thing in the United States for quite a bit and I think some of the other folks that are on this podcast would agree and for churches, I mean, for churches that would be in a rush now to adopt, online giving, I think they'd, I think they'd find themselves stretched at this point because obviously the big thing is just helping walk your people through the process of actually logging onto the website, you know, tying your bank account to it, etc. So it's not that it's too late for some folks, but it's, it's that increases the difficulty of onboarding people. If you've not already gone through some of that process, the tools are there. It's already laid out and there's a lot of competitors in that space. It's just the onboarding of people and the education of helping others along in terms of getting them on online giving that I think is, is to be tough if you're just starting out.
  
    
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  I'd be looking at a PayPal account just to have it as a backup so that if there's people that are ease or that it's easier for them to do that and that's what they're comfortable with, man, make it available. But the language, language sets culture, we know that. So repeat it over and over and over again. And if you know, three weeks from now, if you're a senior pastor or a campus pastor somewhere or you do stage time, you should almost see people mouthing the words with you. You know, the easiest and safest way to give is online. And then in addition to that, I would simply say for me, it's super simple once you do this that you can set up recurring giving. And for me, I don't have a faithfulness problem. I have a forgetfulness problem and I forget all the time.
  
    
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  So we just automate the important things in our life. My wife and I, we automate our life insurance, mortgage, a car insurance, and we automate our, our tithe and our giving because it's just that important to us. I think doing that Jeff, is significant in the fact that if there is a disaster, the last thing on people's mind is going to be giving. you know, the, even if we have a digital way to give it, the last thing is going to be, Oh yeah. But if we automate it, it makes it a whole lot, a whole lot simpler to say the least. And anyway, just a couple thoughts there.
  
    
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  Well, yeah, and as you're solving that automation process, as you're getting people that are tithing regularly through the system, I mean, that just doesn't solve your hurricane issue that solves your summer dip in attendance, summer dip in giving as well. And like there's, there's a number of things that helps with. You know, it was funny, like I, I was, I was at a church, you mentioned the Venmo thing. I was at was at a church and they put up a slide during the offering time and they literally, they had like the cash app, you know, whatever the handle, the log in, whatever it was, because that was what they did for for giving. And this is, this is a while back, but I said to the person, I was like, I was like, and there was like, what'd you think of our giving?
  
    
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  I was like, that was great, but you didn't, you're not able to capitalize on a recurring giving cause I don't think at the time like cash app had to like, you know, suck it out of your account withdrawal from your account every, every couple of weeks or so. And the person's like, you can do that. And I was like, well not through cash app, but there are platforms, you know, that that can certainly help. One of the questions that I get and I'm just curious cause I know, I'm sure we've all dealt with this type of password or this type of person and I appreciate the heart in this but the guy who says, yeah, we don't do, we don't do online giving because online giving means that people can put it on their credit cards and we don't believe in the church incurring debt. So we're not even going to go there. I'm just curious. Anybody have like a response? How do you guys handle situations like that? Or how would you handle situations like that if, if a pastor said that?
  
    
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  You know, I think I just, the, the saucy side of me would just simply say, you probably haven't done a great job teaching people how to handle the money that God's entrusted them with and maybe you need to go back and do a series and do a deep dive with Dave Ramsey or whatever. It just seems to me like that whole piece of it, is, I can't, I can't remember the last time somebody actually said to me outside of a pastor, can I, is it that if I give with my credit card, most of the time it's miles and it's paid off and those kinds of things, they're doing it to kit to get miles. I don't know. I just, I'm a little bit, you know, obviously for me, we, we go straight out of our checking account. It makes it simple and easy for us. But, I just think, the best that you can do is probably get on the front end of it and teach people how to handle and be responsible with what God's entrusted them with more than anything else. I mean, you can't control other people's money and nor should you try. I think once you start doing that, it's manipulation and you gotta be careful with that kind of stuff too.
  
    
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  Any other thoughts? Yeah, honest to God, I heard this two weeks ago and I, it's literally like, it took me a minute. I was kind of was like, okay, well like you have a website but people can use the internet browser to go to porn. So you trust them to go to your website but, and that was what I came to and I said porn in the worship center and that was awkward and maybe like I said, but earlier, like my filter sometime doesn't work. Hey, so, but I mean, and let's remember part of this is that we have the opportunity to help the church, your church, the churches that are possibly preparing for a situation ahead. You've got a situation to help the church long run.
  
    
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  So moving to online giving will definitely help the, especially as recurring donations coming or making it easier for people to tie them. Like these are great steps to, to move in that right direction. All right, let's shift gears and let's head off of giving. Let's head over to broadcast. So we're, we're looking at at what the weekend service, when you're in this type of situation, you're unable to meet because the coronavirus or your worship worship center got blown away in a tornado or hurricane for whatever reason, your broadcast center, your worship center, your church is not doing services on Sunday. Well, what are some solutions, how do you handle that? What could the church do?
  
    
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  And we see this already in churches and in this actually has happened in Colorado when church, whenever there's a large snow storm or something and people can't get out, there are times when pastors actually share the message, from the living room really and do either via Facebook live or on YouTube, kind of streaming it out. I think one of the things that we need to think through, there are a couple of things I would recommend that we consider. One is how do we broadcast those and, and oftentimes, it'll be something that's that simple and we need to think that to have a simple way to go about doing this. And so if it is a Facebook live or something like that, or YouTube and kind of streaming it, you really want to have some sort of connection though to your website here at Outreach.
  
    
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  Our team is, right now we've, we've been doing some kind of a brainstorming and kind of a task force coming together to try to pull some resources together. We're trying to steward our, our influence here to help churches and we're providing some free streaming options that our team is building out right now. So that specifically so that if a church is streaming, like on Facebook that it will also be appearing on their website because not everyone will know or understand to go to Facebook to see your message. And so that's one thing. Whenever it's not imperative for you to be solely streaming, Facebook is a good place for it to also be right. it's a good extra place for it to be. But if we're in a situation where, the only way that someone is going to experience a worship, and you know, hear a sermon and be able to kind of be praying, praying kind of corporately, virtually it, when, when it's the only way that they can connect, then you want to make sure that it's not just on Facebook or not just, you know, on YouTube.
  
    
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  But that is also on your churches website. Cause some people, again, that's the only place they'll know to go. And that's where they'll likely turn. It's your church's website. So, we're putting into something together. It'll be, it'll be ready in probably about another week or so, at stream.outreach.com which for free, we'll just, it'll just kinda connect in with your, your churches website, and through, through a subdomain and whatever your you're doing on Facebook live or on YouTube, it's going to show up there. And so you'll have a place if you don't have a place under website now where people can see that it will be available for you. And that's just something that we're, we're trying to do to help churches that are wrestling through this. but I, I think that a couple of things you want to think through as well.
  
    
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  It's not only your, your sermons, you wanna you want kind of keep that worship experience going and connecting with people. But I would recommend you also have a, a set time that you are communicating with your people outside of the worship gathering. so a set time where people know that, you, you're going to be alive and you're going to be sharing updates and you know, maybe more kind of family matters for the church itself, right? So really kind of connecting with people and having that, that separate kind of communication channel, this is helpful for pastoral care as well. That's one of the things that we really want to think through. It's not just our, our worship gatherings, but how are we going to handle pastoral care? you know, if we're not able to, to be corporately. So, just really being thoughtful through that.
  
    
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  One of the things that we even recommend is thinking through, you might even want to prerecord, a few messages while you have your facilities and you know, prerecord, a four week sermon series or something. and you can even have your worship team come in and you can do it on a Thursday night or whatever. Do it in your church facilities. Now have, you know, a sermon series put together because if churches are closed, they might, they might be close for a short, short amount of time. It may be only, you know, three or four weeks. So you already have these pre recorded and you're kind of preparing that way. You've prayed about this and you're being very intentional, tried to honor God in the midst of that. To have those ready to go, might be just enough. You need to bridge before you're able to gather physically again. So, that, that's one thing that we're really encouraging churches to think through as well as what does that look like to put together a short sermon series, actually have your live worship team together. Film them all, prerecord them, get them ready so that you can just upload them and go and then personalized connection with people, right?
  
    
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  There's a lot there, man, that that was rich. everything you're so you're throwing together real quick. A software that's going to create a sub domain to, to move. If people aren't smart enough to go to Facebook. And I mean, no disrespect to the people, but having it on the website to link to, not to mention Facebook is a huge, you know, distraction. Oh, squirrel. You know, trying to do everything they can to get you off that content because they want you to process other content so that all the stats go up, not just yours. And so the ability to do that on your website, even YouTube on your website, in a control environment, as Facebook and YouTube are trying to distract you and pull you away, your domain is going to allow you to control and for those people to engage at a much longer level and I love this idea and it, but what I really want to park on is, is maybe like this, the controlled updates, what you're communicating. I can tell you it's just to end the churches that I've worked in different situations, dealing with the tornadoes, when I lived in Texas and, and, in the hurricanes in Miami. Sometimes I feel like I'm talking sports a little bit, but what do you communicate? Like, what types of things would we regularly communicate out to people? What, like what are some thoughts there? What are people looking for messaging wise from their church in seasons like this?
  
    
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  Well, I mean for you know, you know, this just doing church in Miami, especially in hurricane season it was whether or not we were going to be open on a particular weekend, whether or not we were going to gather. And that right there is, is big for everybody. just to know whether or not the doors are going to be open on a Sunday morning, is a big deal and how you communicate that. I strongly suggest for a lot of churches if you don't have a texting strategy, texting for us, especially in recent times for live updates, to the minute has been such a big deal and it's not something that we use for. And we're very careful about this. I, I'm the guardian of the gate on our texting strategy cause you don't want to inundate people like you do with emails. I'm sure all of you that are listening out there, your church is probably inundating a lot of folks with a lot of emails and therefore your email open rate is not that great. But the text open rate is actually really good. People will check text messages, especially in emergency situations on this stuff. So whether or not going to be open or, even if you're ready to help people is another great way to communicate via text.
  
    
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  A couple of other things that I would, kind of think about in these types of communication are obviously, health updates. If, if, if there are things going on in your community, in your state or within your people themselves, you know, your, your, your congregants that kind of help health updates with them, but also be thinking about, your missions, connections around the world, what's going on in, in air, different areas of the world at the time, and sharing updates in regard to, you know, if you have missionaries out from your church or serving in different areas. and just really helping people to feel like they're informed but not just, like, what they're getting from the news. But from a, kind of a church family perspective, like we're, we're part of the, you know, the church and this is an opportunity I think, I think something like this is a huge opportunity for the church.
  
    
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  We see this whenever there are natural disasters, right? When the church steps up and the churches being a part of helping to bring healing and wholeness to the community, we can see this. And so if we are championed this idea of hope and opportunity, that, that, you know, God is at work in the midst of crises like this. I, I think those are the additional things, aside from the, you know, important things of, of just like, Hey, are we gathering, what snacks where places where you can get support, where you can get help. whatever those types of things look like, but what are the things that the life of the church is doing in the midst of a crisis? Cause we're not, we're not stopping church. Just, just if, if we're not able to gather, physically, that doesn't mean that church is stopping. Right. So what is the church and how are we connected to the greater church across the country, around the world? And what are some of those stories that we can be sharing with our people?
  
    
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  Yeah. Just to add on that, I think if, if a crisis is happening at a church, the chances are the whole city that the church is in is suffering. So, waits to communicate and just empowering the, the whole church member to, to help the community would be a big thing and practical ways on how, how the church can help the community and maybe do a research on what the city is suffering with. And what are some areas that, that if there's any, maybe just like war waters or other research resources that are needed. it can be a, a place where, churches can help the community and let the communities know, that the church is helping.
  
    
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  I think there's a huge opportunity, for, for the church. And I'm even resorting back to 1992 Hurricane Andrew. Rey, were you in Miami '92? Rey, were you alive at '92? I'm not even sure. You may be that young.
  
    
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  I'm trying to unmute. I was totally alive in '92. I like Jeff was sitting, in my house that was imploding around me and, running, we actually had to leave in the middle of the storm. We had to leave our house and we were out of it after the storm for a year and a half, you know, living with my aunt and uncle, we actually lived, at a hotel for a week post-storm and all of that. And I'll tell ya, I mean, and so many folks are dealing with this now over in East Nashville and I think of all the different disasters that have struck both churches and people are like, finding ways to mobilize your people after the fact. Oh man, the church in action when we've seen it is so powerful. In our circles, we're so grateful for Southern Baptist relief because typically they've been boots to ground like the day, the day after a storm hits. They've been there with food truck, they've been there with everything ready to go to serve the community and just collaborating with churches, on, on how to get a community back on its feet. And we've been the beneficiaries of that. I mean, at least in my lifetime, I could think of five instances with Southern Baptist relief actually came through and served characters, churches, and people in our community both to give the gospel but also in practical ways, to get boots to the ground immediately for volunteers. And it was awesome.
  
    
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  There's a huge opportunity for the church to be on mission, in the midst of and, and after tragedies like those. Like I can remember I was in school freshman, literally, high school freshmen and, I skipped out of football practice to, for the first couple of weeks. my football coach wasn't happy when I finally came back, but I, I literally was running like the, Red Cross, the Baptist, you know, health, all of like the food distribution and clothes. I was, was part of that because for me as a high school freshman and yes, I got out of two-a-days that was maybe part of it, but it was also this idea of let me be, let me be on mission, let me help people who are in greater need and the opportunity for the church to have a presence in some of those situations and in the midst of it.
  
    
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  But what's interesting is you, if you don't have that culture beforehand, it's a lot harder to fall back on that culture when you need it. You know, that there are churches that are, that I've personally have attended at, worked at that have that huge serving culture, selfless serving, serving the community culture. And then there are others that, that probably struggle with that. And so like, there's, there's huge opportunities for the church to tap into that. You know, it's kind of ironic where, and Rey, you may appreciate this on the podcast, we always talk about how church is more than the nickels and noses and the things that we've talked about at this point is literally like a giving and broadcast. I didn't totally didn't mean to do that, but we accidentally like, you know, stumbled into that but these are two big components, but there there's more to church than just like those two components, right? At least I hope there is. What does like groups look like? What is gathering together in environments where you can't gather together? What could that look like?
  
    
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  Yeah. for us at Saddleback, we have a lot of online groups that meet through zoom just like we're doing for us. how an online group looks like is they would, you know, share screen of a teaching that's about 15 to 20 minutes long. And we would have study guides with some questions that people can discuss. So it's something that we are doing already. and it's something that I believe will come in very much benefit when it, you know, in times of crisis and other churches can do it. It with, on just the weekend messages, as pastors and preachers, we, we are creators, right? We create content all the time and we can put to a great use by just putting some questions in and having people come, coming together in a zoom call or even just in chat chat functions and messengers and people can discuss after watching the preaching so that that might work for a lot of churches.
  
    
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  So the one thing that I've learned in recent days is there are a ton of free platforms or virtually free platforms that allow for, you know, this zoom functionality seems like most churches and even a lot of the businesses are falling back on zoom. Like that's becoming more and more of the preferred. but Skype's free, FaceTime. Obviously FaceTime requires everybody to have an iPhone or an iOS device that that's free and they've now got groups up to like eight or 10. I think that that, that can be on and doing that Google Hangouts, I know is another one that for me has been a technological nightmare in the past, but more and more people are telling me that it's, it's become more stable. I think Google Hangouts has a limit of like six or seven people that may have even have, have grown past that. Talkie.io actually I think it was somebody at Life.Church that, that connected me with that, that's a, a zoom competitor that's 100% free. Even thanks. Like, discord I know has, has a free video chat that's built in Slack. I don't use that one a lot, but, at least a video chat, but it's, it's their Facebook. I got a Facebook audio call from a guy today. I was like, Oh, okay, I'll talk to you now. I can't tell you the conversation went well, but it, it, he at least tried to call me. What other platforms that are out there? that would be an option for somebody, you know, free or nearly free. That a church could dive into, to experiment with.
  
    
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  Yeah. If you're looking for synchronous activity, so, so together talking at the same time, you mentioned Facebook message. I know with Facebook messenger you can have up to 50 people on a call. So that's, that's a pretty significant size. So if you're, you know, now you can visibly see, you can video, I think it's up to eight, but audio you could have up to 50 people. So a lot of people have Facebook, have Facebook messenger set, might be a, you know, kind of a, a simpler one to, to jump on.
  
    
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  Have you had, I'm literally asking this and I don't mean anything rude. Have you had good luck with Facebook on audio and video? I personally have had bad luck.
  
    
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  I know they, they just came out with a, at least with time of this recording, wherever we are, March, they came out with the new Facebook messenger app. I dunno if there was like, it was just superficial design or if there is anything under their hood, but hopefully they've changed some of this stuff. Rey's messaging me, he's having problems with his zoom on his phone so maybe there's four bugs in this that were really dissipated, but you know, he's, he's saying what's happened. I can tell you like we, we've used WhatsApp. which really also brings in, you know, WhatsApp for, for audio, with that. But that also brings in this idea of text-based groups and how like, you know, and Rey and I, we've, we've had conversations about this and other podcasts talking about how being in a text community or a community of friends, people that we know, keeping in touch with each other via the text groups, everything from like the sarcastic jokes and the constant trolling of one another, even to the place of like, how can I pray for you? What's going on in your life? What, when you read this scripture, what are the things that come out becoming more pastoral as well as, you know, just more relaxed. Like have you guys experienced, I'm just curious him within the group that like texts engaging relationship where maybe it's six or eight people in a WhatsApp group or a, you know, a group me app or something like that. Anybody want to share a story from that?
  
    
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  Yeah, I mean, I, I do, quite a bit of work with, groups of people and inevitably it takes one quick conversation like here's the rules for our text and that keeps you on the right track so if somebody doesn't get in. To any memes, I'm like the King of memes. So I'm usually the one calling myself out. some of those things are, are, you know, you just, you just can establish here's, here's how we're going to communicate and here's, here's the pathway that it goes. I would even encourage you, I'm following up on what Rey said earlier about a texting strategy. I think I would also begin trying to figure a ways to, I'm always a proponent of taking what happens in the real world and making digital a piece of that from, so if you're attending church this Sunday, how is your congregation going to act in a digital way and when they're in person.
  
    
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  So it could be, Hey, if you want the latest updates, the best way to do that is simply sign up for our texting service. And you could do it right here. Just text this number and it's, and it's done. So you begin that kind of communication pathway that here's how we're going to communicate, and when you need to know the latest of what's happening here at church, this is the fastest way for us to get it out. I would be trying to figure in a couple of digital elements along the way too. So anyway.
  
    
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  Yeah, I love the idea of, of like the phygital approach where your, what you're doing in phygital you're doing in the physical world also matches the digital and utilizing that as a community piece. And, and even in the chase we'll get to in a second, but even the idea of doing your, your announcements in a way during a season and when it's healing where people need to know, do them in an area where they can respond and ask questions or, or ask poignant questions like how can we pray for you in the midst of this and give people an opportunity to, to voice. I mean we, we talk about how engaging the word engagement is lost a lot of it's meaning for me, engagement means not talking but listening. It's better to ask a question than make a statement and for a church and an organization to ask the question and allow the church body to respond. Like at an upper and allowed the church body to minister to itself through that group. Man, that would be powerful in a situation like this where there, where there would be a lot of pain and hurting. I'm sorry, Jason, I took you a little off topic. You were going to say?
  
    
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  Hey gentlemen, thank you very much. We're going to land a plane here. This has been a great podcast and I'm honored to be with you guys to touch on this very sensitive project. Just we didn't say it up front like health concerns. Listen, I'm the last person to, to want to give advice to somebody on how to do, like, you know, wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Like, I was funny, I was watching comedy central and they lined up all these politicians who are making these announcements of do the smart thing, don't touch your face. And then like five seconds later they'd cut to a clip of them like rubbing their face over. And I know not to touch my face, but I'm sitting here with my hands on my chin and doing everything I can not to do it.
  
    
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  So don't listen to me on the physical stuff and I'm not even going to talk to you about, listen to like you, whatever the new sources around that are that are hopefully giving wise sage advice in that situation. But I do know this, there's more to the church than what happens for the one hour on Sunday and there is more to the church than, than what happens when it hits the plate. So as you're looking at preparing a strategy for, for what church needs to be, how we need to care for and shepherd people, who are going through tragic situations like this, don't just look at the one hour Sunday replacement. Take a deeper dive, look at really what the heart of ministry is, and then look at the heart of what churches and then figure out how to replicate that digitally. It's going to help you plan for the emergency situations that that will come and chances are it's going to help you with your day to day ministry. Today, for Andrew, for Kevin, for Jason, for Rey, who had to step off, this is Jeff with The Church Digital. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you next time here on the podcast. Y'all have a good day.
  
    
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                    "I can guarantee this. You'll have a lot of people calling you this week." This is what a pastor told me just a couple days ago. He wasn't wrong. With coronavirus staring the world down, and with massive citywide events like Calle Ocho, SXSW, and Ultra Music Festival shutting down in recent days, churches are starting to wonder if they're next, and how can they prepare now for a world where church may not be allowed to gather, physically. THECHURCH.DIGITAL will be creating podcasts, seminars, and blogs in the coming days to help churches wrestle not only with ministry life post-coronavirus, but also how Church Online can help post-tragedy.
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                    With all other options such as Livestream, OBS, or any other vendor, whenever the internet has problems, your users will be watching a pixelated stream or a buffering wheel. After the second buffering wheel, 70% of your online viewers have already left. Living As One has the only protocol to resend and correct data on a 2-minute delay, thus reducing stream complaints by over 85% on average. This provides a stable platform for people to watch that increases viewer retention and the number of viewers over time.
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                    Many churches think that a fast and consistent internet connection is required to stream reliably. Because of the way that Living As One transmits on a short delay and corrects for errors, high-quality streaming is possible even on troubled networks. 720p video can be streamed on as low as around 5mbps, or 1080p on 10mbps. You can use any wired internet connection, even mobile hotspots with cat5 connection. 
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                    Facebook and YouTube are great destinations to stream to in order to reach viewers that do not come to your website, but keep in mind that these platforms often present many other distractions for viewers. Average watch times from average churches include around 2-5 minutes for Facebook, 15-20 minutes for YouTube, and 40-55 minutes for your website. Clearly, the best way to engage an audience for the most amount of time is to use your website as the primary streaming channel. 
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                    Through Living As One’s platform, streaming to these destinations can either be live in realtime, or broadcasted “simulated live” with previously recorded content. This is a great way to engage an online campus throughout the week (Life.Church does this 7-10 times per day) or to re-broadcast events in case of cancellation. 
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                    We understand some churches have to do this for free. We would strongly recommend not, as this has a direct connection on your audience experience, to a group of people that may even outnumber your physical room. Churches regularly come to us after having poor experiences with buffering and video quality that has negatively impacted their church and hindered potential online giving, salvations, etc. A church member that can participate and view services online is much more likely to give while they are watching, so a couple hundred dollars a month is worth not skimping on the experience of everyone online. That said, we understand some of the church not having buy-in or understanding that yet, even after the deepest explanation. So, here’s how to do it as cheap as possible: Use a decent computer that has good internal parts with a good SSD, GPU, and as reliable as possible. Then, purchase a Blackmagic capture card, and download a program called “Open Broadcaster Software.” There are many good tutorials on how to set this up. You will still need camera(s) and an audio embedder if your camera does not do so.
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                    Jeff here. Thanks Collin! Living As One is a solid solution. Truthfully, I have personally lost countless hours of sleep on Saturday nights because of fear of bad streaming solutions on Sunday morning. Living As One gives peace of mind on many fronts.
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    Having hundreds to thousands of views is great, but unless you’re moving people along a discipleship process then you’re not really engaging in the true potential of Church Online. This is where data management is crucial to the church online experience. If you are going to call people to their next step, and you should, you need to make sure that you have the right plan to obtain their data and make sure that they are followed up with in a timely fashion.
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    What makes a successful Digital Church? Church Online? Church overall? What is it? I'll tell you what it's not: our Sunday morning attendance numbers... yet this is where many of our analytics (and attention, for that matter) stop. A quote from Ed Stetzer years ago has always haunted this line of thought for me: "When you build your churches like theaters, don't be surprised when your parishioners act like show-goers."
  
  
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    I don't believe I'm overstating here. We, the Church, we know this is bad. We know the success story to an effective church in 2020 isn't solely found in the pews on Sunday morning... that being said, very few of us are doing anything about it? Why is that?
  
  
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    Well, why not ask Ed Stetzer? I almost don't know how to properly announce Ed here. Countless books, sermons, blogs, articles, interviews, conferences... the man is synonymous with Mission &amp;amp; Evangelism in the Church today. What better person to ask, "How did we get here?" Although, maybe the better question to ask is, "We're stuck, where should we go from here?"
  
  
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  Alright everybody. Welcome to The Church Digital podcast powered by Stadia Church Planting. I still, I love saying that part. By the way, Stadia I think like this weekend is launching their 1000th church. That's right. They have literally planted a thousand churches here domestically, as well as, around the world and we are seeing that happen in real time. So if you're even thinking about planting a church, want to have a conversation about what a digital church looks like. You know, we here at Stadia, we want to know, check out stadiachurchplanting.org and on the digital side because we're literally writing this stuff as we're going. Hit me up here. My information will be in the show notes and let's get together. Alright, Episode 51 here of The Church Digital Podcast. This has been the most fun I've recorded of any podcast to date.
  
    
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  We were laughing hysterically and it actually took a lot of editing to, to assemble this whole conversation together. It was so much fun and I didn't feel like letting you all listen to like 15 minutes of laugh track going through this podcast. Ed Stetzer is on the podcast. Now, Ed is is a man. I would call him a mentor. It was funny, I actually ripped him at one point on Twitter for him assuming the mentor role, but the man's been a mentor in my life and a huge inspiration behind what I'm doing here with The Church Digital. Now. He doesn't always agree on the, on the technology piece and the church online. And and so we dig into that even a little bit here in the podcast. But when it comes to discipleship, when it comes to multiplication, when it comes to understanding the culture of who we are here in the Western church, as in digging into the research that he's done through Lifeway and a number of different other resources that organizations that he's working with and influencing.
  
    
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  I can't think of a better person to come on the podcast here and to really talk about where the church of today is and how we need to get from where we are to where we need to be, how we get unstuck. Because listen, we all look around, we all feel the tension. We all see the decline. We see what's coming. We can acknowledge that it's there. Nobody's fighting that, but how do we get unstuck? How do we get the led out? This, this is really the conversation that we had with Ed Stetzer. Now I can dig in here and we can talk about like, I mean I could spend an entire episode, an entire podcast episode talking about this man's resume, the the churches that he's spoken at, the books that he's written, the articles, the blogs, the conferences that he's been able to speak into and the influence he's had all across America, the American church, and even the international church today. I really just want to get out of the way at this point. And I'm bringing in Ed Stetzer, from The Billy Graham Center of Evangelism, from Moody Church and a number of other sources. I'm also bringing in Rey DeArmas, Digital Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami and myself, Jeff with The Church Digital in a conversation that I am calling defining a successful church. Okay, everybody, here you go. I think the first message I ever produced for you when you were teaching over at Christ Fellowship, it's like 2011.
  
    
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  And so it was a lot of fun. And I remember you dropped the line and this is a thing that I really want to kind of like park on a little bit here because the heart of church today I think, I think it's missing some things and I want to, whether we get to the online context and church online and the digital context of this, but really like the, the core of it is this and you said this line in a sermon and it stuck with me for for years. "When you build churches like theaters, don't be surprised when people act like show goers" and when you set it in a sermon on stage in front of thousand plus people at Christ Fellowship Miami, their Palmetto Bay campus, it literally like hit me like a ton of bricks over the head. I was just curious like what's the context? Where were you to kind of come up with that? It was funny, like I tried to Google that quote. I don't see it a lot like in Google hasn't found it. Stuff like not a lot of people are blogging or talking about it, but it's such a powerful quote. I'm just curious kind of like what's the story behind how you came up with that?
  
    
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  And one of them is, again, when you build churches like theaters don't be surprised when people act like show goers because we were actually trained to be, I mean I go, I go to a show, go downtown Chicago, we're trained to be passive spectators. That's our job. That's why these wonderful people on stage are doing great things. And then we walk into a church, it's like a theater we kind of revert to, that's our job. Look at all these people in the front doing great things. And so we get to be the beneficiary of their gifts, the teaching gifts and the worship leaders gifts, maybe a video or something, but we're not using our gifts. We're passive spectators rather than active participants in the mission of God. Now, that's not the only thing in that message and by the way, bless that you'd remember a message from that long ago.
  
    
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  But also to talked about a little bit like the clergy laity distinction, right? So I'm clergy, I'm ordained as clergy. That elevates me to in people's minds, you know, then they're lay people. What do they do? They just lay around all the time. And so the language, you know, Reverend or Doctor or Pastor, the language teaches people that their role is sometimes more to pay, pray and stay out of the way. And the real ministry is done by the ordained clergy in the front of a stage and they see themselves, regular Christians see themselves, as sort of objects of the ministry they're ministered to rather than partners in the ministry that we minister together. I think it's a real huge thing. I spoke at Wheaton Chapel, just recently about this topic is that there is a sense that we've created in many, many places a consumer driven, customer service friendly church.
  
    
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  We do things well, if you like the music you'd like to preach and you like our children's ministry, like our student ministry, you'll stay. And then what you end up with is a whole lot of people not on a mission but who are kind of just, you know, go and floating down the lazy river with other Christians in a right temperature for them and their customer service needs are being met. And that's my concern and where that quote came from. And one of the ways that we unintentionally teach people to be passive spectators is the way we build our churches. Now to be fair, you know, come up to me and say, well Ed, you know, you talked about Christ Fellowship, you know, that's, that's a thousand seat plus auditorium. But you know, if you have 50 people, are you gonna put them all in circles?
  
    
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  But the passivity leads us to this place of consumerism, right? Where we're now, we're just tent polling, our spirituality to that one hour on Sunday where we're getting our fix week to week. Lifeway, I mean, I'm not sure if you were involved with Lifeway at the time, but even Lifeway is showing that more and more people are not engaging or talking about spiritual things even outside of the church. It's all centered around, okay, I'm a Christian for this one hour. I'm consuming. I'm exuding this a little bit with Christian friends, but outside when it comes to Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, it's not part of their lives.
  
    
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  I think that's pretty common where what happens is there's a Sunday practice doesn't become a daily process and this is, you know, Paul writes in, where is that, Philippians 2, that you obey not only my presence, but also my absence. So when Paul was there, they were walking like Jesus, and he commends them when I'm not there. You're walking like Jesus. And that's not true for a lot of people, but they've got to see that daily process of spiritual formation. Eugene Peterson called it a, you know, this long process, you know, and a long obedience in the same direction. And I think when we walk that way and we're blessed to walk that way, God honors it. We grow, but I think again, what happens is, is that people are generally born again. That's key to preface to all this sometimes just get stuck in their own moment where they're not on mission.
  
    
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  Acts talks a lot about being day to day with the believers. And so they were gathering daily. They were encouraging. Is that possible in context of today's Western culture church? I mean we're barely not even getting weekly at this point. When you look at, I had a church tell me the other week that even among their givers, they're high level givers, they're attending 0.8 times a month. So even people who are giving regularly to this particular church they can't even get once a month for them. Like, how did we get here? Is there a possibility and an option to turn the corner?
  
    
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  Well, that culture changed. So, and we're experiencing something that really nobody in history except the very rich have experience in the past. So the very rich that the Englishman, you know, may experience in a Downton Abbey moment where they, you know, the rich, the nobility sort of go off to their cottage up the mountain or something and people would go away for the weekend. And that's a stunning thing that rich people did that. So, you know, Jeff, when you were a kid back those many decades ago, many, many, many people didn't go away for the weekend. You and your parents in all likelihood did not go because the whole infrastructure wasn't there to support it. There wasn't a, you know, every corner on, every highway stop, there wasn't a courtyard or a, you know, a Holiday inn or, or whatever, a Hampton.
  
    
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  I mean, so think about how our Hilton think of all these names. So 50 years ago, none of those things, none of those things were available. Therefore the people didn't have the process to do it. Now, they have the process to do so when they're taking advantage of it. So people go away for the weekend pretty regularly. It's kind of a normal thing. Yeah. So, so how then do we respond to that? Well, I think one of the ways responding is, for example, we're actually, and it's a strange thing, but we're actually now, taking like a children's ministry. And we say before we'd say, Hey, what'd you teach children's ministry now we're like, Hey, would you and your friend rotate in the children's ministry? So there's two people to do one person's role. So I think we do want to sort of work towards where there's a sense that people value this.
  
    
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  So with a few exceptions and your, your job can be very technical. So that could be an exception. But for almost all staff roles in a church, their primary evaluation would be built around how have you raised up others for roles and tasks in the life of the local church? And if the answer is I haven't, unless there's, you know like there might be some specific things you might be are our trauma counselor and that's not something we're going to pass on to just everybody. So then, your question is how, and I think ultimately it's not really rocket science. There is, there are processes. I mean we can, you know, Rick Warren's baseball diamond, right? So how do we get to people with a 401 was discovering my mission. And so I think that involves helping them know their gifting, their wiring.
  
    
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  There may be past life experiences, all that point to what can and should we do with the gifts God has given us as each one has received a special gift. First Peter 4:10. Then last part of your question is, I mean that doesn't always benefit the church local, it benefits the church global or church universal. So I often say that your gifts can lead you to minister in your church, through your church or beyond your church. So in your churches, you're teaching small groups, you're working with the children, you're working in the media ministry, whatever else it may be that's in. Through your churches and your church has a partnership with this, you know, orphanage ministry or maybe partner with the good folks that you and I do work with Wellspring, you know, maybe their counseling Alliance. And so you're partnering through your church to church related thing.
  
    
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  And sometimes it's just beyond your church where, not in a sense that you've moved beyond, you're better than your church, but your church isn't involved in this, but you have a passion for orphan care through and around this particular theme and this particular place in your church. You know, and it's not a bad thing that your church isn't doing every ministry that's out there, but you're using your gifts. So in, through or beyond our key things, all of which glorify the Lord a hundred the Lord. And when you're beyond, you still obviously want to be connected through your local church under its care and love. And, but in, through, and beyond our ways, I think those gifts are used.
  
    
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  You know what's funny is we started this conversation talking about the man on stage, he's speaking, exuding his spiritual gift to the people in the room. And that's how today I would suggest that the average church deems whether it's successful or not. How many, you know, we talk about butts in seats and nickels and noses, we use that phrasing a lot but, what you're just talking about isn't like the butts in the seats number, but how we're motivating those people to understand the personal mission and getting out whether it benefits the church directly or indirectly the big C church.
  
    
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  Yeah. So, and it's, it's, it's tricky because you don't want to fall back on cliches, but if you're not measuring your seating capacity, you are measuring your sending capacity. And so I think that that's not just a cliche, that's a really essential part of understanding the mission and the calling that God has on each and every person.
  
    
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  So I heard you speak last year, 2019 exponential. I was in the room and like.
  
    
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  Are you going to go back to all of my past speaking engagements and say, this was wrong.
  
    
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  Ed Stetzer has been hugely influential in my life. I love the fact that I can have this conversation with you.
  
    
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  Wow. That's so moving to me. I appreciate it. I love you too.
  
    
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  I'm disappointed you're not going to be at 2020. I just was looking at the guest list last night, figuring out what's going on and you're not going to be there. Life goes on. So I saw you speak at exponential 2019. I was way up at the upper balcony of First Baptist Orlando and you basically, you said this phrase, you were like, I spoke 2018 here at conference, Exponential Conference. I'm speaking again 12 months later, 2019. What's changed? What has changed between 2018 to 2019? 2018 I said I had to do what we had to do to this. The church has to change. 2019 I'm here again and I'm asking a question, did it actually change or, or are we, are where we are? Do you, do you remember saying that? Like, am I, I don't want to take you out of context? Does that sound like you?
  
    
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  I basically kind of said we were gonna. Yeah, no, I think one of the things that we talked about was, you know, everyone's like talking about let's make a movement. Let's do things differently. Let's change the world. And then I came back the next year and said, we're saying the same thing. And it's like, you know, Francis Chan's given the same message and he's like, I just need more. And there's Francis and doing that, and Dave Ferguson's, you know, telling us we got to multiply. And what I would say is, I mean, they're all, I mean, I don't disagree with any of it and, but there is a certain sense that I think that, maybe it's just the speakers of these events, but I'm growing frustrated in calling for this change that would lead to a movement that everyone seems to.
  
    
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  Amen. But then we go back home to our churches and kind of revert to the same patterns and you know, we can't revert to the same patterns. We've got to engage all God's people in mission. We've got to see multiplication become the norm, not the exception. So, and I, and you know, Dave and Francis friends, all good. Just pick those two cause I have a good Francis Chan imitation, but now I'm sure people got a really good Ed Stetzer imitation. But, so I wasn't, you know, mad or angry. I'm just saying we can't keep having a cheerleader meeting every year. And I'm for exponential, right? I love what they're doing, but we can't give him a cheerleader meeting every year and not move the ball down the field. That's a sports metaphor, by the way. I don't use those a lot, but we've got to move the ball down the field.
  
    
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  Now to be fair. And 2019 there was some data released that actually said we have moved the ball down the field, some in multiplication, but it's, you know, it's still not, it's not the kind of movement we want to see and I'm just desperate for a movement of God that's going to transform our communities for the gospel ultimately around the world.
  
    
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  Yeah. So like the followup to the question and, and I love expo as well and that don't totally love it. I was speaking okay, awesome. Everybody group hug. Yeah. How do we get to led out. Like some efforts, I feel like we're stuck. We're actually seeing it declining in some areas and you've got some stats that say maybe we're moving there. Maybe that's the catalyst to go. But like church-wide, movement-wide, I think we're, big C church, we're not making the changes we should or at least it doesn't feel that way.
  
    
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  Yeah. I would say there are some, there are some exemplars and outliers and we would say we're seeing that here. But yeah, I think, I think what you said, it's fair to say, I mean there is a huge cultural inertia towards a lower commitment in church and life. There's a huge tendency that people have to that. And what happens is when new people come to your church, they end up becoming like most people come to your church. So if you know 80% your church is not engaged and involved and 20% is doing 80% of the work, you've all heard that, that principle before. What's the chance that a new person is going to be engaged at all, probably about 20% because they tend to shape and follow you shaped and followed by the norm. So I think if pastors would make the hard decisions and maybe even the beginning church planners would make the hard decision to not build a customer service, consumer driven ministry.
  
    
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  And again, I don't think most pastors are getting up in the morning saying, man, if I can just be a consumer driven ministry. But they are saying what can we do to better reach people? And as they say that they reach people and most people are Christians who are reached and they come to our church cause we maybe you ask the question, what can we do better to reach people so our churches better musically or better organizationally. And so we attract people who are customers and consumers of the kind of worship we like and the kind of ministries we provide. And then we're like shocked, pearl clutching shocked that the church that we grew actually has more customers than it does co laborers in the gospel. So I would say I'm not against growth, no against big churches. I'm for all that. What I would say is we need to just make sure we don't end up with a room full of, kind of knowledgeable consumers of the religious goods and services that are distributed and the way that they want the demand or else they're going to go from our Walmart to somebody else's Target down the street.
  
    
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  Right. Is there a need Ed? Cause my father and I have been lamenting this as we've kind of seen the rise of the small groups and the need for small groups. But is there a need for Sunday school to kind of make a re-emergence to help educate Christians as to how to evangelize, how to help, you know, bring somebody else up alongside them. Because there's a lot of that that I grew up in a Sunday school environment. Jeff did, you may have as well where that was just kind of the norm in terms of understanding some of those things. And now small groups unintentionally for the sake of community. But for the sake of, Hey look, we're going to give you a DVD or we're going to give you right now media, you hit play, you ask a few questions and then you kind of role, does it do the job of challenging people or is there a place where we need just more education on this front?
  
    
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  Hmm, that's a good question. If I had my preference, yes. I would love to see another time devoted to deeper study the word of God. Where celebration, worship, you know, care and community and small groups and some sort of input of content that helps me be grounded in the word of God, like a Sunday school or something like that. But the reality is is most churches have moved away from that and people. Churches move away from that because people have moved away from that. It's not, you know, one is related to the other. And so I would say if that's the case, it's not that they're asking us, it's not that we get to choose or anything like that. It's ultimately the end of the day, we're called to develop the people and there are certain biblical teachings and commands we want to follow to do that.
  
    
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  And one of them is they might learn the word of God, however not. However, in addition, there are structures and within which we work and cultures within which we work. So, I'm a believer that you need a third time. And so for me it might be, you know, Bible study on Saturday morning it might be something else to go deeper because I think it's cost us a lot, maybe more than we expected. It's cost us a lot to move away from things like a Sunday school model, which again, it's easy to mock. Because you know, some of it was a little goofy, but I mean there are millions upon millions of by most people. I didn't grow up in church like you did, but, and I'm so thankful you did but so many millions of people have been just transformed by the ongoing engagement, the word of God. So I want a third time. I do, I want a third time beyond church and small group and I think that's key. Is it Sunday morning? I don't know if that will work. I'm for it. I'm for anything where God's people will get more, more engaged in God's word.
  
    
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  We've got so much that's that we've got so much content. We're almost inundated with content nowadays in terms of Christian content.
  
    
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  Okay. I actually think I'm a little place than you are Rey. And, and that's okay cause we love each other. We're friends. I think that the community is going to be mainly through the care groups, to the cell groups, to the home groups, through the house groups. So I'm talking about celebrative worship gathered together, talking about small groups meeting at homes, and then I'm talking about what you call like Sunday school, which is more content driven. So I wouldn't have small groups in a church and an alternative small group expression in Sunday school. I think Sunday schools could be small groups, but then they're also going to deal with pastoral care and prayer things. That's, sorry I'm looking, I'm looking for one place for deeper discipleship, deeper Bible study as well. So I think what you're saying certainly could be true that the third place could be community as well.
  
    
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  I tend to think that most of the community focus happens in what could be a two hour gathering in a home where I'm only gonna get people for an hour on Sunday before church. And so I'd want that to be more, maybe even a large group or teaching, you know, large groups, Bible study, that kind of stuff. So maybe we make it a little different place, but that's certainly okay.
  
    
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  I want to hone in a little bit because you said the word discipleship and that means a hundred different things to a hundred different people. So just paint for me cause I'm curious and we talk a lot about discipleship in the, in the podcasts. So like what, when you say discipleship and the discipleship group contextually, what does that look like? What are you literally describing?
  
    
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  Okay. Just so I'm not talking about small group, which I think, I think every church should have a robust community of small groups that are connected together, key for the church, pastoral care, Bible study, prayer for one another and more. And you know, that's kind of become the norm. You know, most churches sort of have that. What I'm talking about is I think there needs to be a third time, a third place where, and let me just say too that discipleship is taking place in the worship service. Discipleship is taking place in the small groups. Rey raised rightful concern for a greater sense of community that's gonna take place in my strange view, that's going to take place with the small group community. But then, part of the discipleship, so I wouldn't use that term. These are not like the discipleship classes. I think that's actually historically what some denominations did. There was Sunday school and then there was the discipleship program, which was some of the time.
  
    
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  So let's jettison the structural ideas for the conversation. I'm not saying jettison them if they're working, but jettison those kind of preconceived notions. So I'm talking about a place for celebration, that's your weekend worship service. Care, community, that's your small group life throughout the church. And content someplace where you engage the word of God more deeply, maybe through biblical teaching, maybe through a discipleship course that you're taking. That is a deeper experience than biblically. And the small groups are a deeper experience relationally. And then the celebration is just kind of the gathered, you know, process of the church together. And people might have different views. And this is not one, I don't think there's like second opinions, chapter four, verse 11 says you should do this, but I do think that to me, the thing that I'm missing in a lot of churches is the thing that Rey brought up is where is that deeper place for community?
  
    
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  And what happens, I think is people who go to a church, it's very celebrative under its worship service simultaneously that has good small groups that are community people in that church officers. I say, well, where do I get the Bible deeper? And then what happens is they come to the Pastor and say I just like some deeper teaching and then the pastor sees as a threat and you know, and then it's like, well, I'm just, you know, we want to reach everybody. No, give people a third place where they can take it deeper and know and love the Lord and grow in knowledge of his word. And I wouldn't do that as a replacement. I would say that, as long as you're in worship and as long as your in community and we'd love to have you go with a deeper experience of the word of God.
  
    
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  Yeah, quite literally. I'm living that exact conversation with the church that I'm, I'm working with down here where they've got, they've got people that are, the services are very evangelical minded in the pastors leading that way. Small groups is reaching a type of people, but then there's that next level person that's trying to figure out how to be challenged. They haven't understood the call of personal mission in their life. They haven't understood at this point we're on spiritual food and we should be feeding ourselves. They're not looking for that, that challenging opponent. They've not been reached. They've just really been kind of trained within that community but not grown to the place of being a multiplier. And so we've been trying to work through and figure out like, how do we, how do we grow people? How do we train people? How do we help people understand the multiplication process that at this point, like we need to move, we need to feed you at that upper level, but to the point where now you can feed yourself and then turn around as the Bible calls us to and start feeding others. So really that's, that's the, that's the call of, of personal mission in that, by the way, and getting kind of Ed to reaffirm you. I've had several conversations and we're even considering bringing it back, a Wednesday night thing and bring it.
  
    
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  And that would, that would do that. And I, we do see some churches, really surprising churches saying we need a third time and it might go deeper with our kids as well. And so, I, so I'd like that. What I would say is I don't want to counter, you know, I think what happened was, you know, the, the churches, you know, Wesleyan, somebody said God, Baptist, whatever. I mean, they had Sunday school, Sunday morning, something Sunday night, and they usually have, I'll say before Sunday night, they had Wednesday night, they had like deacons or elders meeting on Tuesday and a women's fellowship meeting on Thursday and a men's breakfast on Saturday. And it just, it was the all consuming rally. You couldn't meet your, you couldn't even know your unchurch neighbors. You're busy driving past them to church. So I think the pendulum swung, I'd like to see it come back a little bit more.
  
    
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  And yeah, so I'm kind of an advocate for that third option. I think that sort of option it might am I am I, you know, I'm a pastor, so it's all Cs, celebration, care, content. Yeah. I want that deeper biblical content. I don't think the place for that is completely Sunday morning. I, you know, I generally teach through books of the Bible and so you're getting content there. All of these places have content, but this is the one where it's you, maybe you're memorizing scripture. You know, my Donna, my wife just texted me, she's off to her precept Bible study group. Cause that's, I mean the women right now in our church are exercising that as kind of that third place for content. Now I, preached there, so should I be like, well Donna, didn't you get enough content from your husband on Sunday morning when the answer she would say is that's the most amazing content ever.
  
    
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  However, a lesser content have you received can be received on whatever day this we're recording this is on. So yeah. So I do think that and I like the idea. And so like one of the reasons the gospel project, you know, we've seen it go from, you know, five years, we always started, it went from zero users to 1.7 million weekly users of a gospel project resource in their hand on a Sunday is because it's become a third place for some people. Like people use small groups on, on Wednesday and it's there. We're putting the cookies a little higher on the shelf. Let's go a little deeper into the Bible. And I think that has good, it produces good strong believers.
  
    
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  What do you think of structures that churches would leverage for that third place that are outside almost para-church? Like I'm thinking of BSF Bible study fellowship that give people that deeper access to content but at the same time don't cost the church more resources.
  
    
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  Yeah, that's a good question. I think actually I said Donna was doing precept maybe Bible study fellowship. I should know more, shouldn't I? I just know she loves Jesus. She goes to a Bible study today but I don't, I don't have a difficulty with being outside of the church. I think that most churches may be too small to be able to sustain that kind of thing. But what happens is like, you know, sometimes it requires, you know, BSF is men and women, right? BCF is men and women. I think.
  
    
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  Okay, how about that. So what I would say is, I think it would be good if churches also saw the value for that content. But I'm for any place where people are studying the Bible in an Orthodox way, more rather than less. So I think that's great.
  
    
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  I sat with you once in Pastor Rick's office at Christ Fellowship Miami, we were casually talking about and you use the, use the phrase we talked about the, it's Romans or Hebrews. Forgive me, I'm blanking on it. But the don't abandon the gathering together.
  
    
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  Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together as is the habit of some. But then talking about all the more, you know, see the day approaching. So important passage that says to people that gathered worship matters.
  
    
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  And so that actually is the exact same line that I would look at with church online. The problem is, is that the average church in America doesn't have that vision much less for church online. They don't even have it for themselves. And so there's an opportunity, you know, the more that I talk about church online, the more that I just end up talking about church because the culture that's being propagated out of the church, what church online is just a mirror of it. It's a force magnifier, towards that. And so we have an opportunity, I think to change culture that only is going to help the church online, but it's gonna help the physical church as well.
  
    
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  Awesome. Well, Hey, we're going to land the plane and I really appreciate your time. I know you're very busy with doing life things that you are and, I have loved having you on this podcast and even just spending more time with you, you're going to be speaking down here in Miami, April 2nd, with Wellspring Counseling Center, doing a thing where Wellspring is literally addressing a lot of the stigmas centered around mental health. And so in Miami, we're going to be over at a Wayside Baptist church. You can go to wellspringmiami.org for more information on that.
  
    
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                    I meet with a mentor twice a month. This fall, one of us brought news to each meeting of a church that had closed, merged, etc. These were all types of churches. Some churches had  800-1000 just 10 years ago; others had 400-500 and multiple staff members. Others had been around 100 attenders for 20 years. All of them closed their doors and gave their buildings away this fall. Some of them gave their building to a church plant; others were trying to figure out what to do.
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                    Every church has to decide how to respond to their unique situation, but what happens when many churches take this option to close? I want to explore 3 implications of church closures.
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                    My focus here is on what ministry in the context of increasing church closures looks like. This is not a prescription for turning around a declining church or for a pastor struggling to turn around a church. This is on ministry in our current context. What do healthy churches do in this context? What do young leaders like me need to consider?
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                    Frequent and widespread church closures are going to mean that a new phenomenon in the USA is going to spring up where there are pockets of “church deserts” or “gospel deserts.” These will be areas of the country where someone has to drive 30 miles or even farther to attend a church.
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                    I got this idea from the term “food deserts’. Food deserts are areas of cities where there is no fresh and affordable food available. These are areas with no supermarkets and only have convenience stores. 
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                    Church deserts are coming as well. These can be in cities, suburbs, and especially rural areas. Imagine a rural area where there is no church at all for 60 miles or more. Cities can have large numbers of churches but there will be areas of cities with no church for the 100,000+ people living in a section of the city.
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                    As more churches close, more areas will have no church and more people will have no access to our life-changing gospel. There will be no one to personally tell and show them the good news of Jesus. If someone heard the gospel, there would be no church nearby for them to attend and be discipled.
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                    Another implication is that churches will not be able to ride out a difficult time, so declines will be faster. In the past, people often stayed at one church because it was near their home (driving a long way to church was not normal) and because they felt a commitment to the church that went beyond a pastor or a style. They were committed and stayed through change. Sometimes that was for the worse and contributed to the decline of the church. But it also meant that the giving and attendance could be stable enough to do a turn-around. 
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                    Now, most churches do not have that kind of commitment. People will not take a risk for their church. If the church needs a lot of change or a pastor transitions, asking them to stay longer and to be patient will not work in a society that moves as fast as ours. If people and money go, then there is no time for a turn-around.
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                    This means that churches will decline faster. If the church doesn’t have the commitment of people and their giving to endure pastoral transitions, internal changes, and declines in attendance, then their decline and death will be faster in the future. Churches won’t take 10 years to close. They will close in 5 years or less.
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                    If churches decline faster because they cannot handle risks and slow downs, then leadership, leadership decisions, and transitions will be critical. When one pastor leaves, the interim pastor and leadership will be very important to continuing the momentum of the church. A church that takes 3 years to find a pastor may create a lot of problems for the new pastor when he is hired because of the likely loss of vision and momentum.  
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  Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. I'm going to love saying this next part for a long time to come. You ready for this. Powered by Stadia Church Planting. That's right. The Church Digital. The Church Digital Podcast is now powered by Stadia Church Planting. In case you didn't hear through the podcast and through the blogs that we've put up, I, Jeff Reed, I've taken a job with Stadia Church Planting, where I am now, their Director of Digital Church Planting. What's a digital church? Awesome. Put a pin in that. We'll come back to in a second. By the way, this is our 50th episode five zero here of The Church Digital podcast. I didn't think I'd make it past episode five, Honestly, I didn't think I'd make it past episode five and here we are with episode 50 and I've loved the content. I've loved the guests, I've loved the conversations that we've been having here on this podcast.
  
    
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  So you listening audience, I want to thank you for joining me in this ride, in this journey as we're discovering more about what church online really can be, what it should be, and what digital church will be. So thank you for that. And I want to publicly thank Rey DeArmas, guest host here with The Church Digital podcast for joining me on this ride. Honestly, I didn't think any, either of us, would make it to episode 50 and here we are. So the conversation here that we're going to bring in is what is a digital church? And that's a great question to ask. There are all sorts of models of church here in the world today. You got your mega church, you got your giga-church, you got your multisite church, you got your small church, you got your big church, you got your high church, you got your low church, you got your cowboy church. Yeah there's a cowboy church.
  
    
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  I actually attended a cowboy church in Texas. It does exist. It's for Cowboys. It's a thing. All of these different models of church are just it. There are models of the gathering. They're models of the biblical ekklesia, but the important thing to realize is they are models. There's really not one out there today that is the perfect example, the perfect mirror image of what we as a church are called to be biblically. They're just models. They're attempts to get there. Now, some are better than others, but all of them have strengths. All of them have weaknesses. All of them have different characteristics that are towards the direction of biblical ekklesia. They all have strengths in their ecclesiology, but all of them fall short and are limited in some area. I hate to tell you this, but none of them are a perfect match, and so to that end, we're going to create another model of church.
  
    
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  Not that it's the perfect model because I don't think the perfect model exists this side of heaven, but it's another model. It's another opportunity. It's another way to connect people to the saving grace of Christ because I think there are people out there in the world today that will not be reached the current models, and we as the church need to do something different. And to that end, ladies and gentlemen, I want to talk to you about this idea of digital church. What's a digital church? Well, let me, let me share you our definition of digital church, and the awesome thing is nobody's really talking about Digital Church. So we, Stadia Church Planting and The Church Digital, we get to define what this digital church is. So here's what we're thinking. A digital church is a church that exists digitally before it exists physically, or maybe it doesn't even exist physically.
  
    
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  Now that may just explode somebody's brains. How can you do church without it being physical? Here's the deal. I think you can. I think if we really look at the ecclesiology of what a church is, I think if you look at the biblical functions of how the church existed years ago, I believe that the digital expression of church can match the biblical functions that are in place. I believe that we can create an ecclesiology of a church that very much matches what the biblical model of church is operating in a digital environment. And so that's the challenge. And honestly, that's the challenge of this podcast. I grabbed a list, from well-known sources and we are start to talk through this list of biblical functions. When we look at what the church is, how it functions biblically, can we even do that in a digital environment?
  
    
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  Is it possible to start to operate and to have this ecclesiology that operates in these functions that operate in a digital format? Could, could you even operate as a biblical church in a virtual environment only not a physical environment, a virtual environment only? And to that end, we brought in experts from all over the country to be on a panel to start this conversation. Yeah, we grabbed a bunch of online pastors and said, Hey, come over here. Let's have this crazy conversation. You know, the best part of the conversation, straight up, at least four times in this podcast, somebody made this comment, I hope I'm not going to get fired because of this, but because there's this fascinating conversation, where all these online guys are like, this is a great thing, but it's a completely separate thing. It's a new thing. And that's the beauty of a digital church because it's not tied to a physical church model where you're trying to recreate what's happening physical in a virtual space.
  
    
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  You get to just wipe the slate clean and start over and create a model of church that just operates virtually the way that virtual is supposed to function. And that is a beautiful thing. So here's who's involved in this panel. We're bringing in Ian Kirk, Generations Community Online Pastor. We're bringing in Jason Morris, Westside Family, no stranger to the podcast, their of course, Global Innovations Pastor. We're bringing in Joey Santos, Online Pastor with Christ Church, as well as, Rey DeArmas of course, guest host regularly here, on the podcast, as well as, Digital Pastor out of Christ Fellowship in Miami and myself, Jeff with The Church Digital in a conversation that I'm calling Biblical Functions in a Digital Only Church. Episode 50. Hey everybody. Here you go. Jason. What ears are you wearing? Those are interesting to me.
  
    
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  We were going to do a conversation centered around, language and, I think somewhat, it'll still maybe feel that way because part of languages is really at the core of the philosophy of church online. I was, so I've taken a new job and, this is like grounded in fact, I and Joey and I spent, I dunno, two or three days, a couple of days back in November out in Colorado, with an organization called stadia church planting. And, they, they actually just launched their, just planted their 1000 church. It's taken them 17 years to launch a thousand churches. But they celebrated that. What's interesting is with the current growth trends that the organization is going through and how they've been accelerating, they're going to hit the next 1000 churches, in three years. So they'll go to 2000 churches in three years and are very quickly escalating along.
  
    
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  Like I was reading a book here today. I was reading, the, what is this called? The flywheel, what is this called? The Movement Flywheel. We'll put it in the show notes, but it's a free book from Leadership Network and Exponential Conference. And some of the things that even when they're talking about this stuff, I'm like, I don't really know how to do this digitally. Maybe it's not possible. Maybe it is possible. Maybe we just need to kind of think about it, but it's not like in this podcast and this one hour podcast, we're going to solve all the world's problems as much as, Hey, there's some challenges here that we really need to pour more into. So let's do this. Let's take a moment. let's bounce around the podcast. Ian, let's start up with you, just maybe 15-20 seconds, who you are, your ministry, what your tied to, what the heart is of church online in that for you?
  
    
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  Ian Kirk (00:10:42):
  
    
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  So I'm at Generations Community Church in Marysville, Washington. I am the Online Campus Pastor and we've been doing this for about a year. In fact, I got the official title and about the anniversary is just about now and basically taking us from zero to broadcast and now we're starting to expand to online groups and figuring out how that's going to work for us. And I also write daily devotionals for the entire church, which sort of fits into this, I hope, for our online groups. We're, right now, we're really starting to wrestle with how online groups are going to fit into the church context. Because in our area where we have Boeing and other organizations that work seven days a week, 24 hours a day, church on Sunday, doesn't fit in a lot of schedules. And so we want to expand that from just worship, you know, just broadcasting, worship to having small groups and discipleship online so that people feel connected to the body.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (00:11:49):
  
    
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  Joey, why don't you go next?
  
    
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  Joey Santos (00:11:54):
  
    
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  Well, I'm in Mason, Ohio, Christ Church and, been here for two and a half years now and we start from ground zero. I also with the online church, they had nothing before I got there. And, and we really are, our main purpose was, how we create an online environment that provides full engagement. So the idea was literally to if our next door neighbor from our church doesn't want to come to your building but they engage online, we're okay with that. So, and that really opened the door for many possibilities. So we are, we have being experienced in the full engagement, we call a campus because it's really treated as a campus. It's a separate campus even from, financially. So the giving that comes through the online campus is treated separately from the physical church and we're expanding that now. Like we're talk more about it, but weekly, it has been really fun experience to be able to have this presence at a bar, and have the church there. The church is flourishing, is great.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (00:13:06):
  
    
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  Yeah, I'm sure we'll tie into the Church in a Bar. By the way, Episode 45 on The Church Digital podcast. We spent significant amount of time, Joey's no stranger to the podcast here. He was on that one and got to dive into that. And we've got a, the OG down here, Jason Morris, from Westside Family. So, going all the way back to, I don't have it in front of me, but it's probably like episode seven or eight, six, maybe it was in the, was in the top 10, early days of that. Yeah, it felt like it was, was right there. Maybe five or six. I'll look up what while you're talking. But Jason, man, just Westside family. What's the heart of church online? What's the heart of digital? What's your heart? What's going on down over there?
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:13:51):
  
    
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  Well, what we do is we help people, our mission statement at Westside is loving Jesus. Becoming like Jesus and sharing Jesus and what we do online has helped people do that exact thing thing using online tools. And then leveraging, part of the thing that I do is we leverage that digital expression of West side to catalyze global church planting movements. And so like for example, tomorrow I'm going to be headed out to Thailand and Laos where we're going to be meeting up with a bunch of church planters and church leaders that we're bringing in from South Africa and India. And at last count, we've had, the, the honor to participate with some really good partners that, at last count is like over 1200 churches, something like that. Not in the same way that one would think of as a church here in the States with a building paid staff, that sort of thing. It is a different expression of church. But what we're doing is we are leveraging the digital resources that we're creating and allowing that to, give people on the ground the tools that they need to create contextualized versions of Jesus church wherever they happen to be. So our heart is to make that happen. because the way I see it, Jesus said go into all the world and we're just giving it a shot. So that's what we do.
  
    
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  So you're literally getting on a plane tomorrow to travel over that. That's cool. Appreciate. I appreciate everybody taking the time to jump in on this. Right. Rey, you want to give us a 30 second on? You don't get to talk about CF much like just really the heart of what you guys are doing over there at Christ Fellowship Miami.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas (00:15:48):
  
    
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  I mean really it's, it's continually changing and you know, God's allowed us to use visual tools as a way to reach people and how to disciple them and even on into the future. And eventually, definitely I talk about this cause Jeff and I both sit on the board and work with different organizations and how a lot of this has kind of taken shape. You know, but everything from, we lead small groups online. We have community online, we do services online and it's expanded even, now into missions and how we can do missions online and pretty excited to talk about that on in the future. But God has really used this in a great way and it's just great. Been grateful to be here all the way up through Episode 50. It's been really cool to be part of The Church Digital, but really at Christ fellowship, it's been quite a ride and quite an experience to allow digital tools.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas (00:16:34):
  
    
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  And my role has expanded. I'm not just Online Campus Pastor anymore, like I'm basically or Digital Strategist overall now. And it's kind of helping find a way to allow all those tools to work together to help us reach people in a digital world, but also recognizing, and we've used this word here on the podcast in the phygital world where the people who attend our campuses and the people who attend are on my campus and a lot of cases are one in the same. And I'm sure we'll get into some of that discussion today as we talk about what it means to be the ekklesia or the gathered online.
  
    
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  Yeah, it was, was funny. I got called out on Twitter. I can't even remember who did it to me at this point, but a couple of, again, it's Twitter's Twitter, and it was all nice. But Jay Kranda over at Saddleback tagged Rey and I evidently, he's got somebody from his church that's moving down to Naples, Florida. And he was asking, you know, Rey and I via Twitter, Hey, do you know any churches, anybody who's doing anything in Naples and you know, Jay being the online pastor over there, I just replied back, are you looking for online or physical church? And somebody will tell me, we'll put, we'll link to it in the show notes, but somebody busted me and they were like, does it matter? And it was like, okay to shake, well done. I appreciate the, the shot, you know, yeah, it does in this context cause I wouldn't know who to recommend to, but, but anyway, yes, physical or virtual doesn't matter. We're all, we're all, the same church. I want to hone in because part of me is like, I love that and the fact that we are all the one church in the different parts and things that come from that. What I want to propose though is that there's different models. and so I may want to like, segue the conversation a little different here because like, for example, you know, Jason, talk to me about what's going on at the churches. Like what does the church look like, where, where you are, where you're heading to literally tomorrow.
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:18:36):
  
    
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  Well, that varies a lot depending upon the location. It could be a gathering of, you know, two to 300 in a storefront somewhere or it could be, you know, three to five believers meeting in a bamboo hut, or under a tree. So it takes lots of different forms and much of that has to do with the context that they're in. In some cases they're in persecuted places where, they have to function in underground, which causes them to be forced to be small and reproducing, which we've found actually works better from a gospel saturation standpoint and a leadership development standpoint and amassing large gatherings that are more difficult to replicate and tend to, I mean, they all have all the different expressions have their own strength and weakness. But one of the weaknesses of a larger gathering is the leadership development pipeline tends to weaken and the gospel saturation in a given area tends to weaken, versus other expressions or other forums.
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:19:50):
  
    
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  Cause you're talking about different forums of church, right? So like mega church is different than house church, but they're both church, right? It's just a different expression of what the church is. And when you're talking about digital church, I think it's another thing, it's another expression of church and one can't say, Oh megachurch is bad or house church is bad. Well a lot of it depends on the context and who you're trying to reach. Just like I was, you know, listening to Joey, you know, talk about the vast majority of people that are in his digital expression of church are within the geographic reach of his physical campuses. And that tells you something, that there is a demographic or a group of people, that can possibly only be reached in more of a digital context or in a more hyper local context than what we're thinking because they're, no, I don't want to be in a building.
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:20:50):
  
    
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  And if you hear that person, like if the customers that were supposed to be, or the people that we're supposed to be reaching, if those people are saying, I don't want to be in a building, we need to listen to that because our job, you know, according to Jesus is to go into all the world and make disciples. Right? Teaching them to observe everything we've commanded you. And if those people tell us that they don't want to be in a building, and yet we're forcing them into a model that requires one, maybe we need to rethink our approach. That's all I'm saying.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (00:21:23):
  
    
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  And the idea of, different models certainly comes into play. Korea, Korea is, is almost seeing borderline revival as a result of a giga church movement. Some of the largest churches on the planet are coming out of Korea, whereas India and China is seeing a movement on a much more house church level. We've had Mike Christian on the podcast. Mike has literally launched 400 churches, 400 micro churches, house churches, so much so that he was removed from India. The India government literally kicked him out of the country because he was a threat to national security. He was so effective and planting these, these reproducing churches and they say, well, no, the giga church is better or less or more powerful or not. Or I mean that's an, that's an irrelevant conversation because in the end we're not, we're not judging how many butts in seats or how much revenue is coming in or, or what, what the money is. You're judging how we are at fulfilling the great commission of, of empowering a disciple to go. Thank you very much Jason Morris for that.
  
    
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  There is a facet that I think, maybe should be considered and that is, in the same way where the primary expression of church in the first century that you find in the book of acts was not enlarge gatherings that happened later. that's not to say that large gatherings aren't effective. They can be an effective tool. And we have seen them as effective tools, even in regions where the primary expression of church might be a house church or a smaller gathering. The interesting thing that I see about the digital church though is that it is in some ways neither mega nor micro in that it is a networks church where you could have smaller or asynchronous, exposures to the church, not a church service, but perhaps, but done in a network fashion where the net effect is greater than the sum of its parts.
  
    
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  Yeah. You know, the tough thing that I see, and this is something that we're all struggling through when we talk about the age that we're coming into in terms of digital churches, you know, for some time, for quite some time, you know, we validated Sunday morning because it was something that we can count. It was something that we could kind of control. With digital tools, we have less and less of an ability to control that. It's more virally spread. We can spread out content further and faster than ever. And it can reach people of all sorts of different needs, different economic statuses, different neighborhoods, etc. And people can access content from different pastors who aren't even in their own city. And so in that way, it gives them the ability to be shepherded by people that they may never meet, never see, which is something that the mega church movement was already kind of doing.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas (00:24:18):
  
    
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  Because even though I could see my pastor on a stage, the odds of us having a relationship in a 2000, 3000, 4,000 member church slim to none, you know? And so now when we start talking about church as, as how we know it now, we've got to get down to some of the nitty gritty stuff, which is digital in my opinion, can actually do, better. And I'll get, I'll get to that in a second. In the sense of accountability actually being in relationship, being in somebody's life. And here's why. With digital landscapes and with digital tools, I can be in somebody's life every day. We can stay in communication every single day. And we can keep an accountability and that person can keep me accountable to things like scripture, reading to prayer, that person can be in my life and the praises, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly, all that stuff.
  
    
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  A lot of that can happen on digital landscapes where face to face interaction can't happen as much. And so, you know, the example, and I've used this before on the podcast that always, that kind of launched me in this direction, seeing how this could be real. My wife's been part of the same text thread with with other Christian mommies for about 10 years and they've been there through the good and the bad, holding each other accountable through the birth of babies, through the, through some of them, their divorces through re marriages do all sorts of stuff. Praying for each other, keeping each other accountable, encouraging one another, doing all the things that we would expect the people sitting in our pews to do and doing it more effectively than I had seen in some face to face small groups where it was like shallow relationship. Like, Hey, they're meeting together every week.
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:25:52):
  
    
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  So I've got a question on that Rey, cause I think you're touching on something that is, it's overlooked many times. the question I have in that environment where I think one could actually do more ministry because it's more constant, in that texting group that you've described, do they ever, or do the members ever get together physically?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas (00:26:21):
  
    
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  They do, but it's not as often as you would think. It's maybe once a year, maybe once every two years because now they're spread out, you know? some of them when I was living in Canada, one, a couple of them are living in the Carolinas and so they've spread out like on this scale, but they're very much in each other's lives every day. it was kind of funny because at some point I like, I was in what I considered accountability groups and I would be sitting down with my wife and I would just hear like her phone would be going off. I'd be like, what's going on? Was like, Oh, it's just the girls. And I'm like, well man, what's going on? Well, Hey, so-and-so is going through this thing and we're all praying for her. And I'm like, man, you guys are in. And I mean, some of this is just me being a guy and her and her being a woman and just them being better at communication in general. You know, but I was like, man, you guys are in each other's lives much more than I am with my own men's accountability group. Like yeah, we'll talk about like some sin issues or some different stuff that you guys are bring in like day to day to each other. And that's a big deal.
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:27:24):
  
    
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  The trend that you mentioned and the way that, that texting group has expressed itself as the church is a growing trend that I see happening where on site, face to face conversations happen less frequently but are more meaningful because of the gaps that are being filled on a more constant basis through a digital means. And perhaps it could be that that trend, can be seen not only in church world, but in every other sector of society. So that being said, perhaps our ministry model could adapt to that cadence where, who knows, we could have an onsite gathering, you know, once every quarter or something of that nature that's really big, really awesome, highly excellent. And not able to be repeatable every single Sunday because that's too much of a grind and would suck too much resource and energy from the actual ministry that's happening in a digital means on a more frequent basis. Does that make sense?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (00:28:31):
  
    
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  Yeah, that actually, yeah, kind of aligns with, do you guys read the book and Daniel Im talks about it and No Silver Bullets though. It's called flip the flip the classroom. Are you guys familiar with that term where we're essentially, it was, was two chemistry teachers, but who wrote the book and they, it's the philosophies out there. What's, and I'll talk about my wife later in the context of this, but as my wife said, masters in education and when I said flip the classroom, she got really upset, which was funny. But what flipped the classroom is, is these two chemistry teachers, instead of being focused on lecturing in the classroom, they flipped it. So they would lecture, like prerecorded uploaded to a video server somewhere and the homework was watching the lectures. Instead of the teachers feeling like they had to perform four or five classes a week, their word perform four to five classes a day, excuse me.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (00:29:25):
  
    
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  They would do at once for online and the students would watch it once. If there were questions, they pack it up, they'd pause it repeated over and over again. And then that was the homework, the actual like application point where they do the homework, where they ask the, where they're going through the labs, like that's done in the classroom. Teachers are able to then engage with the students without having to worry about the performance without having to worry about that. But more of person to person building that community. Students' scores skyrocketed as a result of that. Also, the teachers felt they better understood who the students were and what their needs were because instead of them performing their word over, over and over and over to them, they got to listen, and can understood who the students were. Now my wife has a masters of education and it was funny, I just, I asked her, cause I read the book on the airplane recently and I got home and I was like, Hey, if you heard, if you ever heard of this, you ever like, you know, heard of these guys, this book?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (00:30:28):
  
    
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  And she's like, no, but I hate flip the classroom. And, and I was like, really? You know, just tell me why. And she's like, Oh well the teachers are just being lazy. What was my wife's response? And, I was like, Oh that's interesting. I was like, cause I really, I'm interested in this in context of church and discipleship and maybe even changing how we're recreating disciples, what that process looks like. And, and she says, Oh no, I totally think you should do it from the church level. I think it would be awesome. At the church level. I just think teachers are being lazy. So I don't know. I don't know what that does for my wife. if somebody wants to speak into that, I can give you my wife's email address and you can speak with her directly, cause Lord knows I was like, cool, I'm gonna let that one go and we're going to move on.
  
    
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  Your wives reticence to that approach is fascinating to me. At the end of the day, my question is, what is the point of education? Is it so that the teachers can have meaningful activity are set so that the students can learn something and if test scores are going up, who cares? Yeah. If the teachers are more lazy, even if that's the real reason, if it's more effective, who cares? So in my mind, that really kind of parallels some of the other things that I feel like people are struggling with when it comes to new ways of doing church. You'd need to know what your goal actually is. Is it activity? Is it programs? Is it events, or is it results? What are those results? And if you're driving towards those kinds of goals, then who cares what kind of methodology you're using. Just do whatever's effective.
  
    
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  You know, that same, that same criticism that Amy would give the teachers. And I would never go against the grain. And, I'm a big fan of Jeff's wife. She does such an awesome stuff as a teacher. I'm not getting you in trouble, Jeff. Don't worry.
  
    
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  Thank you for that. I appreciate it. Keep going.
  
    
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  Yeah, but, but here's the deal. that's the same criticism I've heard of pastors who have even gotten a video teaching or churches that have gone multisite that have gone to video teaching. Oh, that's so lazy. That's something that churches should not want to do. And it's like, well hold on. And this is like, I was the campus pastor at a physical location before I became the online campus. I did a lot more ministry, like actual ministry on the weeks that I was not teaching because we were rolling the video. I got to be in somebody's life. I got to go do hospital visits. I went and did funerals. I went and did a bunch of stuff on the weeks that I was teaching. I spent 30 to 35 hours in books and working on a message and doing that because that's what was needed of me that week. And I felt like I was more in ministry when we were leveraging the technology properly.
  
    
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  Joey, you've been quiet so far, man. What are you thinking?
  
    
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  Joey Santos (00:33:13):
  
    
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  And then it's this fascinating. and I received that because I, I know this is going to sound cheesy, but man, I cannot believe I'm in the same podcast with Jason cause I met them for the first time at a very small online pastors conference in Dallas a few years ago. And I mean he was incredible. He shared information and we got, we were sharing meals and and he has been a great, like I follow his church and then his Twitter accounts and see what, you know, he shared that what's going on online and I'm like, I'm here on the podcast with Jason right now. That's pretty incredible. So man, I pray for you brother. I appreciate what you do. You're in leadership. I really do. That's great. I really believe that the future of the online church is going to be away from the what the online streaming of the Sunday service and because that, to replicate what happened on the stage, it's still not, it's still, that's too, to me, not the identity of the real digital church.
  
    
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  And I really think that because all we are talking about online, we're talking about content distribution but the only difference is with the relational aspect of it. And we have the ability to really broadcast content 24/7 and connect with people anytime today. I agree with Rey. I experienced more ministry in the last two years than the 10 years prior in a physical church. Literally. Do you know when, when you got a guy from California who never walked in a church before, he never walked in a church and he found our church through a Google search and he just go through all the steps of, do you know, I want to know what's next. And we go through foundations class. I don't want to know what's next. And we go through online Bible study one-on-one. I was there just one-on-one. I said, we don't have to join a group. We're going to be me and you doing this all the way to, I want to get baptized.
  
    
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  He flies all the way from California to Mason to get baptized. And that was a very first time ever day he stepped foot in a church. And if you don't understand, like if people don't understand the power of them moment, you really don't understand the power of just, here's the deal about it. The first time he watched the service on Tuesday morning in California was not a Sunday. He watch a prerecorded service. So I really think that a one, and I'm going to run the risk to really get myself in trouble here.
  
    
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  I know, and I just want to repeat what I said in the last podcast. I think churches, the physical churches are a little lost in a sense of, you know, we, we got to this big building and we got to have people come in and we have want to have enough programming that people are happy enough to give the money so we can now pay the bills. So churches are becoming as big a real estate business instead of being a place where we can just distribute content and facilitate relationships. So in our church, we shift the conversation because we're seeing people come in and I'm a big data guy so I can look at data all day long. And the reality is people are not coming into church because of the preaching. They're not coming to church because of the music. They come to church trying to find relationships, meaningful relationships with the community. I visualize, I don't know if it is off the subject, but I visualized that the physical church is going through a season of adjustments of trying to rediscover its identity in today's culture. And the digital church is just the place to be able to fill that gap. So I think for pastors listening to this, the digital church, not here to compete with your church, but actually digital church actually support what you offer. Now. You've got to just look in the weight more objectively, how that engagement happens. So you able to distribute content with the relational piece involved. It's like if we can add the relational piece to it, you makes a complete experience for the people participating in it.
  
    
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  Yeah. And there's a, there's a awesome opportunity for church onlines, the online broadcast, the online community of a physical church to the compliment that Ray mentioned, this idea of phygital a combination of physical and digital, within one, like there's, believe me, I could go off of that. We all could go off that pitch. And help pastors on understand that. And we've all have enjoyed the joys and sorrows of, tried to convince someone of the other way on that. Here's, I truly do believe this. The, the, the physical church growth model or whatever you want to call this, the mega church, giga church, multisite. The typical church that you see today, and the physical space, I think they're going to get bigger and I think they're gonna get smaller. the, the, the model of the large church, is going to continue to grow.
  
    
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  I don't think, that it's going to crush and burn. I don't think it's, it's set for doom. If anything, and I do think that it's serving its purpose for the kingdom. There are people that do connect to that and just like it would be ill of me to, to rip up a giga-church in Korea or a house church in India. those physical models exist to serve the purpose that, that they do. now there may need to be something complimentary to help get beyond what they do or to reach the type of person that those buildings are not set to reach. we've all experienced it. And Joey, you know, you've alluded to some of them with, with your church online where, you know, there are people who don't want to set foot in the building. As of right now.
  
    
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  Lifeway stat, 63% of people aren't interested in, in going to your church building, 80%, 79% are interested in having a conversation about faith with their friends as long as faith is important to their friends and they see that faith is important to their friends. So for, there's an opportunity, I would suggest for a new model, we've, we've talked about this and this digital church model that's driven more towards a discipleship oriented type structure is what I'm suggesting where we are discipling people to engage within a community. Whether that's a, a physical community. Maybe it's a, a neighborhood or a couple blocks around somebody's house. maybe it's a historical neighborhood, meaning it's the circle of friends that I have in context of what raised Rey's wife's doing with everything that she's got with people all the way up in another country, still engaging in several States represented in that.
  
    
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  Or maybe it's something like what Jate's doing, Jate Earhart where dude, the guy just loves video games and wants to utilize his passion to try to reach people for Christ and, and to say, Oh man, that that's not a church. Well I think there's some biblical, some standards and some mandates that, that we need to look at and to say, okay, this is when we look at what church is and the ecclesiology of church, these are functions that a church is supposed to do. And you know, do we see this? And just in some great examples, do we see this with, with Jate, do we see this with the WhatsApp group? honestly that all of us are in, we are all in some sort of a WhatsApp group similar to that. I've got a guy in California that's been blowing me up today.
  
    
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  I swear he typed something and I almost wanted to crack a joke back. I'm like, are your thumbs tired? Because that's like 2000 words right there bro. And that's, and I know you don't have like a computer WhatsApp thing. Like, this is the actual, like on a keyboard, that's a lot of work, ma. but you know, God bless him and God bless the groups that, that, that are doing that. But does that hold up to the, the ecclesiology? Does it hold up to the functions of a biblically what, you know, I'll, I'll add them what exponential conference and what leadership network says, Hey, this is the, this is the minimum ecclesiology of what a church should be. So let's just roll through this. Let's have some fun and kind of see where we land with some of this stuff. All right, so there's a, I don't know, it's probably 10 or 11 on this list. Number one, worship. So in a digital expression of church, how do you worship? Arguably a better question would be, what is worship?
  
    
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  So I mean, I guess the traditional way. And for many of you who broadcast your services, the first thing you're going to say, Hey, we know we broadcast the songs that we do on Sunday morning. But you know, Jeff's question of what is worship is kind of an expensive thing that every worship leader loves to discuss. But everybody just kind of takes a pause. You know, we kind of identify the worship as primarily the singing portion of church and the fact that we're singing and engaged together. But the reality is is whenever we say that worship is a lifestyle, for some reason that tends to take a dive once we try to talk about church in the context of all lot online because we want people still did that gather in physical spaces and sing together. Truth is, it doesn't matter if they're singing privately, you know, in a room, doesn't matter if they're singing amongst a group of other believers, they're still engaged with God and worship can take on so many different forms within that. Now that being said, we're looking for our traditional form of singing. Yeah. You know what? They're walking the broadcast and they're singing along like that is happening in a lot of cases, man, folks have even engaged in the chat like, Hey man, my hands are raised right where I'm at. And that's a powerful thing when God can do that no matter where they're located.
  
    
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  You know, and I love the idea of of the, the weekly gathering. and Jason, you, you've alluded to this in a past podcast and actually you connected me with, Neil Cole's church 3.0 we talked about that the last time that you were on and that that book along with some others really started to reshape kind of how I was viewing church. And answer this question for me. When did church become a weekly expression? Do you know historically or has anybody know? Like, I mean obviously we're seeing, we're seeing Godspeed Jesus speak to large crowds feeding of the thousands, the, the beatitude. So he's, he's doing this, we see it in the, the letters to the church. So we know that smaller works, but when did it shift to, like every Sunday we're doing this thing,
  
    
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  One of the things that you find in Acts is that daily they were doing all these things. So that actually falls into more of a frequency that most of us experience in the digital church. Where daily, we are, you know, breaking bread, dedicating ourselves to the apostles, teaching to prayer and to the word those, those sorts of things.
  
    
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  We don't, I think if I remember correctly, and I might be wrong, but I think around 380 it's when you start seeing the more traditional or temple based expression of Christianity that was kind of centered around the Nicene Creed, all that was kind of in that. Okay. So like there's, there's this idea of where it shifted to a periodical tent pole as opposed to moving away from this lifestyle thing. I would suggest, man, even like popping in the AirPods here, jamming out to it, to a Hillsong. Yes. It's, it's not corporate worship, but it's worship to God, but we're losing in the digital church environment. We are probably losing a little bit of that corporate. What do you, what do you guys think? How can we overcome that, that corporate loss that they were feeling there?
  
    
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  So, but I actually, I think something like this, like what we're doing now on zoom would be effective where you can see one another and respond to one another corporately and still be in the digital expression. I'm on a number of different Facebook groups and we all discuss liturgy, you know, old school, your hymn services, modern worship, not, you know, and the struggle that, and I'm sure that's what I pull into this is, I'm bringing into that liturgy mindset is that it literally means the work of the people gathered together mess. It's actual definition. And I think we are going to have to struggle with that. I think like the zoom calls where people become more comfortable with that or Skype or Hangouts or whatever other thing you want to do. I don't know that we're going to be able to get to that full corporate mentality. Not that we should either, but I think the micro-sites or you have three or four people gathered together is sufficient to meet that corporate need rather than have this huge expression of these huge buildings. Hope my senior pastor is not listening to me where you, that is what needs to be done is this huge building, this huge gathering, which is not sustainable certainly in the current cultural environment.
  
    
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  I just want to add to it, cause he made a point and Jason pointed out something there from Acts that I think seals the deal for me. The Bible said the add to the numbers daily and I think it's the interesting about that is when you asked the question while worship looks like, you know, line campus, you're trying to translate what happens in the corporate building and the corporate worship in the building and to do online. And to me it's like they have, there's no connection there. Like I don't want to replicate. That's the thing I really don't want to replicate in the digital church. I want the digital church to be this very personal, intimate opportunity. I have to have with God and with others. They want it to be with me in that moment and that's not going to look like a manmade weekend service experience and I've just lost half of your audience right there.
  
    
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  Do you know what I mean? Like, so I think the traditional way of looking at the weekend service is not going to translate each of the vision of church. Yes. I really firmly believe that. So sure. I can, I can get my worship team put in the studio, a week long and we can record all kinds of songs that we want to do together just for digital church and have the library available on that, on my online church and say, Hey, if you want to set aside some time to listen to some songs and pray again, I mean, I can create my own programming online.
  
    
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  Well, and there's, there's how much assets now available. I mean if I get a $10 Spotify account, there's how much, I mean, it's ridiculous the amount of of resources that are out there. We were, I was actually having a conversation the other day, what happened to like normal Christian music that wasn't like praise and worship. They used to be like, band, it's like DC talk, you know, Audio Adrenaline and that would do like just music and everything and I'm not ripping it. It's not necessarily bad, but it's like there is no more like general genre. It's all, it's all Christian praise and worship, which is just a ton of more resources and assets that we can do. Now there's a business model where they do that because it's cheaper to anyway, but that's a whole other thing.
  
    
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  We're not in community, right? That's that. That's the battle. Pastors in local churches, they firmly believe that while we're trying to discuss, here, is a way to eliminate community. Here's a problem with that because their mindset is the way we talking. I can just, I don't need anybody around me. I'll just going to go online, listen to my music, listen to my message and not talk to anybody about it. That's not what we're talking about. We're just talking about taking the content where people are at, with their mobile devices. Cause that's where they are at now. We will open up opportunities for them to connect with people through it. That's the point. And I think the battle, the resistance that we end up facing, with many churches is that, no, it's not. I mean, I literally heard a pastor say there's just the end of last year.
  
    
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  When he opened them, he started the message is like, do you know, I love that we can broadcast online, but here's the deal. If you are in your house right now. You could be here, you should be here because you're not in church if you're not here. And he just said that on camera. Another thing, it was people that post, on social media talking about the online church. They say, if you cannot be in church today, watch online. And to me it's like how that doesn't make sense. But because the perception is not there, right. Because you are the church where you are. That's why our house campus, we have this big, t-shirts is really big. "I am the church." Because you're the church where you are. I think the concept of worship and the motto that the physical church reduces might not be what worship is going to look like in a digital church. That to me, that's really the bottom line.
  
    
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  Jason Morris (00:50:56):
  
    
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  Let's segway cause we got, I want to get through some more of this list and we thought we thought worship was controversial. Wait for the next one and I'm going in their order. This isn't me choosing this order. Teaching. So what would teaching, what could teaching, what should teaching look like in a digital expression or a digital expression of church? Now here, here's whatever we assume it is in the physical. We have an opportunity to start from scratch. This is not a physical church doing a church online, doing their ministry in a virtual space. This is a digital church that's planted just for purpose of growing and multiplying digitally or physically. But what should teaching look like in a digital church?
  
    
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  Whenever I try to, answer that question, I tried to go back to the most primal expression of church that we know of and that's found in scripture. So I feel like if the apostle Paul felt it was okay to teach via his letters, in other words, via text, then it's okay for us to teach that way too. You don't have to have, and you have like I just finished up the book of Romans, right. And the last chapter talks, it's fascinating because he sends greetings from afar, right? So he's disinter-mediated already, but yet he's sending greetings trying to maintain the connection of community after having taught for 15 chapters. So the way I see it, and the apostle Paul never saw the church in room. It was a group of five house churches, but he was teaching that church without actually being physically present, even though he wanted to be, I mean that was his desire to be, but he wasn't. And so I think that tells us a lot of what could be done when it comes in the digital space because it's already been done. So we should just go with that.
  
    
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  Well, so here's what I would say, you know, in Joel chapter two is like all of this is being forecasted in terms of what the future church would look like. It was a lot about how they would teach each other because the spirit of God was moving in that. And so once again, in the context of community, there's something so powerful about the fact of, Hey listen, we can all watch good sound teaching good sound content, whether it's coming from the outside or whether it's somebody delivering it from the inside. And then we can actually discuss something that we can't do on a Sunday morning in a physical space. We can discuss how it's applicable to our lives and discuss and confront one another about but seriously. Like, can we live this out? Let's just say, you know, let's go to the simple and yet tough to follow commands of Christ.
  
    
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  You know, something like loving my neighbor as myself. All right, so it's one thing for one person to teach it from the stage. It's another thing for me to talk about in practicality about how it's supposed to be lived out and to discuss about how I don't do it all the time and how, there are times where it's hard to love my neighbor or to ask the question, well, who is my neighbor? Just like it was asked to Jesus. And to unpack that with one another. those are the kinds of things that can be done in digital spaces that can be done powerfully where I can learn from other people's experiences, where I can, you know, rethink and have some reshaping of my own mind and my own thoughts by the impact about how the spirit of God is moving into other people's lives and not just my own. That's something that can happen in digital community very quickly.
  
    
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  Oh, I think one of the things about message I think it really has to do with when you talk to online audience, you're talking about with a global audience. I think one, is that advantages that pastors have from the stage is that makes you're preaching to the local church and the local audience are right there. And to make the shift, it's not easy. It's, it's not easy. I mean, put them in a really bad spot. So it's, it's interesting because, if you, if you're going to do a Bible study, online, online group, the book of Romans, you're pretty much just talking with people in your church or Christians that know a book of Romans is whereas if I go to do a Bible study or a group, I want to do a group on leadership, leadership and principles of leadership.
  
    
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  It's got to be based on the book of Romans. But I'm gonna tell you exactly why you should do this Bible study by introducing a title in a theme and a reason that is not the language that the church and the local churches used you. And I think that that's a big challenge. That's one of the things was very clear to us when we started church at the bar because we started, we started the church at the bar in the worst possible sermon series that we can start the book of revelations. So I mean there is not much practical thing that you're getting here to tell people, go to work tomorrow and live this out. Right. So it, it's a, it was just incredible out of that. I'm at the bar and I'm watching people watching service and it's like I don't know.
  
    
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  And immediately in, one of the things I'm considering soon is, I'm saying let's record the message, the actually speaking language of the. I go to the bar. That's inredible, practical. It's incredibly, life living what you can do so if you break down in the way, in the language that when people listen to it, they can actually turn the TV, the computer off in that I can do something with this. Listen when I'm sitting in a chair, my church, yes, I want to learn the Bible. I want to learn. I mean he's just, he's just, that's a part of going to church, right? A pastor going to teach the going to, you're going to keep developing and discipleship in the church and that's part of it. But yeah. Oh mine, the audience is so global that church language doesn't fit. I lost the other half of our audience right now.
  
    
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  Let me ask this cause cause cause I'll either bring it back or I'll chase them all away. Is there a model, is there a, and this is legitimately me asking, I am wrestling with this right now, is there a model of a digital church where there is no sermon? What do you guys think of that? In other words, it's so group based. It's so relational based that you don't even have a, and maybe we need to watch the message sermon label, but the, the person lecture style is not even a part of it?
  
    
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  So yes, I think that's possible. the key here is that scripture still needs to be a foundational piece of whether it's discussion or whether it's something else that's going on that's happening there. I do think that an element of scripture needs to be a foundational piece. And so whether it's not somebody from the traditional lectern or pulpit delivering it or even from video teaching, as long as there's scripture at the center of a discussion or whatever else, I think that can take place or shaping what can happen now, you know, and this is where, you know, many of us had been part of prayer services and this kind of thing where there wasn't like a formalized service. Okay, that's cool. But I guarantee you somewhere woven in there, there were scriptural elements and part of those gatherings as well. So I would say, Hey, scripture is somewhere in there. I think we'd be good to go.
  
    
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  No, I don't, I don't think that there is a model that we should bind ourselves to in digital church. I think that's actually one of our problems, because we when we ask these questions, we're keep looking back to the methods that we're accustomed to. Going back to how you opened up the, how should the church teach and it's more of what are the essentials that need to be done to teach and let it go from there because, flipping the classroom would be a key point. What are the essentials, you know, and Rey covered it to the scriptures are the essentials, but, why do we continue to bind people to a method or even multiple methods? Because each digital group cohort is going to have a different way of connecting with one another.
  
    
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  Let's keep moving. Number, it's, let's call it number three. And, and I hear this one, I do. This is one that hurts. This is one where, where physical is not required or mandated, but it's going to be a challenge. The sacraments, baptism, communion, child dedication is not one of them, but, but those things that, you think it probably is, but it's not. It's not about, yeah. So, so, you know, the sprinkling, whatever, not doing that. I'm a Southern Baptist at heart. It's called moving on, maybe a little bit liberal Southern Baptist, but not, anyway, it's another conversation for us today. Baptism, communion. What does that look like in a digital church?
  
    
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  All right. Since this is a digital podcast, I can ask everybody to raise hands, but, how many people here give it an I have baptized somebody as a result of online church?
  
    
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  All right, man. So it is possible. Now granted, and, Jeff, we've talked through some of the different ways and challenges of this kind of things happen. Everything from folks finding a method in their household and doing it via video chat into a backup to Joe, you referenced somebody flying across four states to get baptized or you know, or whatever it was. Half the country. I mean, that's a big deal. And so, as far as that sacrament, I think we can kind of give a solid checkmark to that. Lord supper. And this is, this is an idea that I stole from Kranda and Saddleback Church encouraging our folks to prepare in advance with all the materials and to take it at home alongside of us. Check. And we've done it.
  
    
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  That's a challenging thing and I'm, I'm grateful that they were at least willing to take it to that step and, and here's why. they were so willing to help somebody take part in the sacrament. They're willing to jump over the hurdles to get there. You know what I'm saying? And that's what to me, and that's very much the center is the heart of what it is that we're doing. We're willing to jump through and break through a lot of barriers just to bring somebody to Christ. And I think, or to connect them with the body of Christ and, and so that right there, Ian, I think that's a powerful example of, Hey, like, you know what man? we'll find a way. We'll find a way. We may not have the answer but we're going to find a way.
  
    
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  It is interesting Jeff, that there is something I think that needs to be thought through if there are denominational, obstacles is to figure is to get those defined because you know, Ian, you were talking about, that an ordained minister has to administer the elements. Right. Well it would be helpful I think for you guys to define at what distance does that officiation stop? Is it 10 feet, 30 feet, a hundred feet, you know, or a thousand miles, in which case if you're doing a live stream of it, they could be officiating at a distance. Right? Those are the types of things that, that's what Rey was talking about is once you establish what the obstacle actually is, other than we've just never done it that way, then you can figure out what kind of workarounds you can employ. Because if your obstacle happens to be, it has to be blessed by an ordained minister in the moment, he's got to physically touch it and see it, well then fine, let him do that ahead of time and then mail them out. You just got to figure out what, what the real minimal ecclesiology is and then create your work around so that you don't eliminate people in the process.
  
    
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  Jason, you actually brought up exactly something I was thinking of is, even before I was hearing the Lutherans, this Lutheran church doing that was, it makes some sense if we are actually watching in real time why that's not officiating. And of course, I'm sure someone will ask for my credentials, after that because I just said that. But the reality is what is real time, what is gathering? That's the whole question of what is search digital church.
  
    
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  I think we're kind of entitled this podcast. yeah, we're all crazy, but it just might work. It's, we're all like resigning years. All we're doing is just, you know, talking Bible here in church. And anyway, it's, it's really, it's fascinating and I hope you guys all keep your jobs. Hey. Yeah, so this has been a great, podcast and I've honestly, I've got probably another seven or eight things to like go over here. We're going to have to get the group back together and do this cause I want to continue this conversation. I know Jason's getting ready to go off to Laos. Where are you going, Jason? Yeah, yeah. He's muted, but he's shaking his head. Yes, yes. Laos. So that's fine. so yeah, we will, when he gets back, we'll do part two of this, bring the group back together and then finish the, the dialogue through this.
  
    
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  And so I want to, I'm going to kind of stick in the order here because part two is gonna be a lot more like, this is really, I'll just read through it. Fellowship, disciple-making, compassion. How does the digital church show compassion? It's interesting. Justice. How does the digital church of justice, mission people being on mission, literally doing a global mission. There is a fascinating conversation surrounding that, body ministry, which I'm assuming is like the body serving, in a context. And so we can, we can unpack all of those, I think on part two of the podcast, but I want to, on this, the last one that we want to talk about today is prayer. So what does a digital church, a digital only expression of church model, how is that, driven, celebrating, showing empowering career? What do y'all think?
  
    
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  She's in the ICU. She had a kidney transplant. Well, I don't need to wait until tomorrow morning to let everybody know. I was able to just send an email to 140 volunteers to have them all pray for her immediately. It's happening and people reply back the email. Listen, I heard a lot of things, good things in the podcast today, but Jason Landon on a whole thing about Paul and writing the letters and in Romans and you just like, if you don't get online church after that, I don't know what to do man. Because they know what I mean like that. That's it. And like we were living in ours. So I think prayers are happening. I really think I think is, we're, having Night to Shine next week and that what we do for the online church to participate in Night to Shine. We ask them to pray at six o'clock when it starts and at 8:45 when they do the crowning moments, we go live so they can see what they prayed for.
  
    
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  So I mean, we push prayer a lot. Prayer online. We talk a lot about it, but I think has just continue to push the idea that you can, you don't need a specific platform perform to do it. It's in your hands already. Is that phone you have in your hand find somebody to pray with.
  
    
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  They've got the ability for people to post prayer requests, either you know, anonymous or you know, stating their name next to it, but then they also have the option for it to be public or private. And if it's public, other people see the prayer requests and can tag that prayer request and say, I'm praying for you. The person gets a push notification every time that prayer request is tagged. And so there's this immediate, you know, the feeling, the physical feeling across a digital medium that, wow, people are praying for me right now I'm part of a larger community now that's cool, but here's the cool thing down the road. Once that prayer request gets answered, yes, no, whatever the answer is, the person who has the prayer request can go back in and mark it answered and then say how it was answered. And when they do that, that's pushed out to every person that ever tagged it, say that they were praying for it. There's this option of within the, within the church app, within there, they are creating community. My gosh, centered around prayer. What better thing should we build our community around than prayer? 18 months ago I prayed for this thing and now God's brought it to be, I'm part of that. That church sees 115,000 prayer requests a month through this system because they're in, it's, it's a big church, but still it's not that much large adoption in context of mobile app. Not everybody's on it. So there is that much people identifying, connecting with prayer because there's a communal feel around it and they're getting that physical interaction across a digital medium.
  
    
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  One of the things that as I was listening to you guys, it's fascinating how we tend to think about a church meeting, a gathering and assembly only in ways that we have experienced it. Instead of looking at the way that scripture kind of defines it in a more looser form. And maybe this could be a springboard to be thinking about the next time we get together. But I'm looking at first Corinthians 14, 26 and it says, well, my brothers and sisters, let's summarize when you meet together, it doesn't say how, like I think we're in a meeting together right now. When you meet together, one will sing. That's interesting. Just one. One will sing, another will teach another. We'll tell some special revelation that God has given. One will speak in tongues and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you. And I think if we concentrate on that and do whatever we need to do to make that happen, I think that's, probably a pretty good church service regardless of the size, place or form.
  
    
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      <description>Video, Video, Video! You’ve heard it - Video is the king of content on social media. So how do you start to incorporate video into your social media plan? Here are five tips!


Start Small - Add one video per month to your plan, then, try a weekly video. Don’t get overwhelmed or set yourself up with an expectation that you can’t carry on.


Don’t Record Live at First - If you (or your pastor) are timid about being on camera or concerned about being ‘live’, take the videos on your phone first and then upload as a video on Facebook or Instagram. Don’t worry about the one minute limit on Instagram because you can load the video into IGTV.


Set Reminders - If you plan to go live, set reminders in your calendar or phone roughly 15 minutes before you plan to go live. This time will allow you to get to your perfect spot and walk through what you want to say.


Find Good Lighting - If your office is dark and dim, head outside! Test out a few locations with quick videos and ask for feedback from someone else to see which location is the best for your video recording.


Don’t Overthink It - Live videos are just that LIVE! They might not be perfect, you might say the wrong thing - just pause and correct yourself. Be human and move on!


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  Episode 49 of The Church Digital Podcast. Jeff Reed here once again. And I'm excited for this podcast at least as excited as I can be considering I am very, very sick. Yeah, it's been a rough, feels like it's been a rough 2020, just the entire house seems to be individually getting sick one after another after another. But I've had my stretch a little bit this week and I've been coughing a little bit actually a lot bit. I may have lost a lung somewhere around this week, so if you, in fact, if you do have a spare lung, feel free to hit me up on social media, deerffej, I'm on all the platforms and let me know that you have a spare long and we're going to figure out how I can get it cause I'm probably going to need it at the rate that I'm going.
  
    
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  But we have an awesome podcast for you. So here's where we are. We're a positive from technology. We're pausing from a church online talk with this podcast in particular because, well technology is the means to the end. It's not the end, the end in our situation, is gospel and in a lot of the gospel is getting people to understand who they are in Christ. And so to have this conversation, we're going to a technology guy, who's kind of being pastoral because Hey, technology guys can be pastoral too, right? Like that. That's a thing. We talk about that all the time. It's okay for a technology guy to be pastoral. So here on the podcast we're bringing in a good friend of mine and a guy that I've enjoyed working with in the past. His name is Aaron McClung. He runs a company literally called AM and they are a digital company.
  
    
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  They do a lot of a website design, graphic design, branding, marketing, like the whole gamut. And this particular company, like I've worked with a number of church staffing, multiple projects over the years. I consider them friends, I treat them like family. And when I work with them I treat them like a staff member. They are that closely integrated into my life and my projects. I could not imagine doing church ministry without them, I honestly don't know that I can give a better testimony to them than that, as this podcast is not about the tech. it is all, it is all, it is all about the individual. You see there's a thing here with the discipleship. And really this is the core that I believe will help church on mine be effective. It's not the new church platform. It's not the new tool.
  
    
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  It's not the new toy, it's not another feature. It's understanding that our job is to help people understand personal mission. And what's interesting is Aaron has really kind of figured out that even more than just church online or even church attenders, churches, organizations, businesses, like there's a lot of people out there that don't understand the why for themselves on an individual level or even the for themselves as a business. And so Aaron, you know, who has guy who has been starting to, well, you know what, I'm not even gonna tell the story cause I want Aaron to, so here's what I want you to do. Listen to this podcast, we're not talking tech, we don't need to talk tech. The podcast you need to hear is the one you're about to hear right now. So you got Aaron McClung, president and CEO of AM and myself, Jeff, in the church and digital in a podcast episode that I am calling The Why of Personal Mission.
  
    
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  Okay. Everybody, here you go. Yeah. So my name's Aaron McClung. I live in, Hurst, Texas currently. I grew up in Oklahoma. I grew up going to Baptist churches and spent a lot of time in that world and God called me and saved me from age of five at VBS. And so ever since then I've been, just trying to follow him and the ways that a child can all the way up through growing up and just, always felt a sense that God has just called me to serve him. And I didn't always know what that looked like. I didn't have the typical pastoral personality as you'll probably find out shortly. but, it wasn't always the guy lighten up the room if I could say it that way, but I always felt like really strongly that I wanted to serve the Lord.
  
    
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  And so, growing through college I decided to, there was an ability in design and graphic design and creativity. And so I felt like that was something I needed to do. And I started to, look into that and realize that I was gifted in that and that had ability to help people understand concepts visually that are easier said in pictures than in words sometimes. And so, as I explore that, I realized that that was exactly what I supposed to be doing and got through college and went to immediately started working at a church as a graphic designer. And so, not in that long after that, I opened up my own business doing that, helping, ministries and churches and businesses as well, just, you know, get the message out with clarity and creatively as possible. And so that's what we've done for now over 20 years.
  
    
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  Awesome. Yeah, I was doing, actually 2000. I graduated from college and right out of college I started a web design company called a believer. And I was actually in Fort worth. You were on the Dallas side. So we were like literally contemporaries in the same territory and obviously AM you guys have been far more successful than my little business was. but I, it's just like those, those days of, of web design and graphic design. I mean, those, those were rough days. I don't know if you've ever gone back like 20 years ago and kind of looked back at the old work and it was, I mean, I can remember, talking to a pastor and, I was, my company believer was doing web design for churches and I decided distinctly remember this, I was talking with a pastor in Arlington, Texas.
  
    
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  And the pastor looked at me, the year was 2000 and he's like, why would I pay you money to build me a website when my 10 year old son can do it for free in Microsoft front page? And I was like, well, if you're happy with what your 10 year old son can generate Microsoft front page, then you and I really don't need to talk. And but that was like, you remember when like flash was cool like that. We started to have like that flash opening and then you'd have to have the flash navigation and like that was like the best thing ever. We've come a long way since then, man.
  
    
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  It was just the only thing you had to worry about was the desktop experience. There was no mobile phones, there was nothing. It was just, just give me the desktop. That was, that was easy. I guess I've gotten a little more complicated since responsive and, you know, Apple decided to boycott, you know, flash and all that fun stuff. One of the things, and, and I love AM and we were always talking about this with, with Aaron, off air. Like I've just, I've managed to really utilize this, this company a lot and I've seen them come into very bad situations where, websites were failing and code was crashing left and right. I've really kind of depended on this company to get us out of, bad situations. And so as much as I can, like endorse a company without endorsing, actually it's my podcast so I can do whatever I want.
  
    
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  You know, I just, I've really love, working with these guys and seeing the heart for ministry that they have, beyond even just the website. It's, it's more of they really have a heart for doing what's best for the ministry, the church, the experience that, at least in the context of me that I've ever worked with a moment. And it's really, it's this heart that I wanted to bring Aaron in to really dive into it because their company has pivoted a little bit, I guess would be the word. I don't know if pivots the right word, but there, there was a, there was a change in philosophy that at least that I've seen from the outside over the past year or so when I really, when an air, and just to kind of talk about this, cause I'm excited about how this impacts individuals. And how it can organizations and churches, achieve much higher clarity. And so, Aaron, why don't you just talk a little bit and tell us a little bit about this overflow kind of what it is and then how you as an organization, how you got to this place where you realized you needed to pivot.
  
    
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  And so that had to happen through those couple of years. And so as I, as I dug more into that, I started to realize he does have a purpose for me. He has gifted me for very specific things. He does want the business to be his and I'm just a steward of it and that I can reach people through it and that there's way more meaning to be shared and to be tracking our team too and digging it. Like I said, I wasn't, I never saw myself as pastoral, so I didn't really even try honestly but the more I dug into that, the more I realized that now that God wants me to help impact our staff and in meaningful ways, but there was, they needed a story to connect to for that to be meaningful. And so went through a whole bunch of that. But like I said, I had to start with me and then once I did that and I started, God give me a specific vision on how to do this agency thing differently. I had to dig into how to do that. You know, months later, there's now a literal process for it. It's got a name, it's got steps and we're doing that every day and it's made a world of difference.
  
    
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  And for whatever reason, I really feel like my calling has been in that, in that digital scope. And so this midlife crisis that I was on made me pause and kind of evaluate, okay, do I am I, am I called to do it this way? Is this the best way what I'm doing it? Are there other ways to make that happen? And that really started wrestling with my, my overall purpose. And as a result of that honestly, and my track record over the past couple of years to show God took me down a road that I didn't necessarily want to go down. And all of a sudden I'm being connected because he's in control. It's not me in my wishes that I'm getting being connected into relationships and in purposes and connections that I've never dreamed that would be a part of doing things for the kingdom that I never imagined even six months ago. How things have pivoted and changed so quickly. But it's amazing when, when God's in control of that. And so it's exciting to me because through your organization, through AM, you're literally helping people. You're helping organizations, you're helping churches like wrestle with some of this stuff. What, what stories are you, are you hearing, what stories are you seeing as you're helping churches wrestle with their purpose, with their why?
  
    
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  But they're typically not creative agencies. And so the, I actually don't know of any other ones that are doing what we're doing, but there's not, there's not one that's can do both at the same time. And so that, that means it makes it hard for like a typical consultant. It's hard for them to visualize it and bring it to life and show it a church or any organization what it looks like if they can, we can get to what it is, what, how do you word it? Maybe what's important, but having a creative agency come in and just like do all of that with all the skills that we have at the same time and visualize it and they see all of it at the same moment. It's just like eyeopening for them and encouraging, exciting, and just infuse this energy into the whole organization. Yeah.
  
    
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  You know, I can tell you if being a guy that's worked with creative agencies, being a guy that has run a creative department a couple of times in a church, like I understand the joy of working with an organization that has clarity. I understand it. I don't know that I've experienced it a lot because a lot of times you don't have that clarity. One of the things that I love about this story is you're taking the time not just to create the graphics, to create the ad campaign to create the movement that, whether it works or not. I don't care, man. I'm just, you know, cash in the invoice to check when it comes in. You're helping the organization get its ducks in a row by discovering its messaging by discovering how to be clear, by helping it understand its why and its purpose.
  
    
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  And from there, breaking it down. A lot of times, honestly, especially in dealing with consultants and, I am one that's cool. I can say this a lot of times it's, it's we need to solve, we need to solve the problem. But the big picture, like that's not in my scope. You're not paying me for that. the holistic view of coming in, of, of what you're doing through overflow of helping people understand their why, helping the organization with clarity, understand what its purpose is. Now, that's so much easier to market and so much more effective because you're able to do that with clarity instead of promising X and really delivering Y, which makes for, you know, unhappiness on the backside. Why is clarity and we, you and I have both experienced this honestly, there are people with church staffs out there that have experienced this.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed (22:00):
  
    
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  So this isn't a hard question. We all know this. Churches often struggle with clarity. The finish line is constantly moving. The target is, is constantly shifting. organizations are trying its best to reach people. The goal is high reaching people for Christ, but as a result of that, it shifts. It moves on a regular basis, as we're trying to be more effective. Why do we struggle with that clarity piece in a church environment? What's, what's the overarching issue may be culturally that we need to address? Is there a common thread as you're working with churches? What are you exploring? What are you seeing?
  
    
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  Well, there's the obvious kind of the busy-ness of the church cycle and the focus on keeping the machine running. And does anybody actually have time to stop and breathe and think about, is this actually working? That's rare, and so I think a lot of times when we go into a church and start asking these questions, it's like we all get to pause at least for a day or two and sit in these questions with each other and decide if, you know, what is the answer to the questions? What are we focused on? Because there's not usually scheduled time to stop the machine for enough time to get on the same page together and remember, you know, what we're called to? And it's, that's just the pace of it. The just the grind of it. And so, for us it's amazing what a few simple questions can do to bring clarity for an entire organization.
  
    
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  And so it has to start at the top. So, the leadership has to be on board, but I can't push this, this rock upstream. I don't think that's really how this is designed. So that's why it's critical that we get buy in from the top of the organization cause we them to, we don't know how long we're going to be involved, right? We have to know, we have to give tools and give clarity and ability to articulate. But it has to be from the pulpit to the email to everything and in between every channel, it's gotta be lined up if it's gonna work the way we want in that, the clarity is all about focus. Like if you can get your purpose figured out and you can get your why cleaned up, then it's all, it's like providing you a filter for staying, you know, keeping from getting distracted all the time with all this stuff.
  
    
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  And so if you, if you can define that and say, okay, this is why we're here. This is what this church is called to. This is maybe our three year plan or one year point, whatever. and this is how we're going to get there, then it should bring like the ability to say no to a lot of things. I've seen a lot of people struggle with that. Like they don't, I don't have anything to say no to this and cause it's scary to say no in a place where everybody's kind of looking to you to be like, you know, to serve them. And so, that's a lot of tension in that statement. But, we've seen those conversations, the processes, just getting everybody in the room together at this right time, God can show up and, get some things off their chest that they just haven't had the ability to do.
  
    
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  Yeah, it is, it is hard organizationally to say no, you know, especially the cause is great, to the Romans. I'm a Roman. To the Jew, I'm a Jew. To a Greek, I'm a Greek and so we have that but the larger purpose is that if we're everything to everyone, then from a messaging standpoint, we're really nothing to no one, you know? And, and we, we lose the overarching purpose of the organization. And somehow by simplifying it down, we find that we're more organizationally structured. There's clearer purpose behind it. We're more structured towards achieving that goal. But what's interesting is when we play, when an individual church plays its part, what it really does, I believe is it opens up for other churches to play their part rather than, Hey, you know, I live in Miami, arguably Miami has 98% lostness, like their stats or even if you were to assume the best stat, it's still like 85% lostness.
  
    
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  Like it's, it's crazy. how, how little church has a purpose here and for any one organization to say, I want to be a part of reaching the millions of people, like I'm going to tackle it all. It's ridiculous. There's no way to, we have to organizationally work together towards doing that. And churches often struggle with that because of, for whatever reason they want to own the larger piece instead of realizing that maybe it's more effective for us to own a smaller piece of that. One of the things that you stated on your website and I really to unpack this because you are, a self-diagnosed introvert. I am a self-diagnosed introvert as well. People are like, well Jeff, you're so extroverted. No, no, my extrovertedness is my defense mechanism that covers up how actually introverted I am. And even having conversations like this on the, on zoom are just exploding my brain right now. So, but you said something on the website that I wanna get your take on this cause this is good. His business, his relationships, his being God, God's business is relationships, God is after a relationship. How does that imply and fit into like what you're doing through Ovrflo? How does that relationship component come into play in 2020?
  
    
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  That's typically a conversation I'm having with business owners. They tend to think of their business as a separate thing from their faith. And so my desire to tell that to them, and this would apply to church leaders as well, but the idea is that it's not your business, right? It's guides and just like, just like you have to get saved, your business sometimes kind of have to get saved too. And so give it to him. Let him run it. Just like your life. All the stuff we hear in sermons about transferring ownership of who we are and what our dreams are applies to business leaders too, and applies to their business. And so if you let God run your business, then he, it's about him. It's his vision and his vision we know is going to be about other people. And so his business is relationships.
  
    
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  That's like, that's the, you know, the business he's building is the kingdom. And so, to use your business, if it's gonna, if you're gonna give it to him and then your business then becomes all about relationships too. And so, most business owners are trying to survive. They're trying to get the bottom line built up. I guess you could argue that the churches maybe here are focused on outcomes as well. But, basically if you're going to give your business to him and let him run it, then it's gonna, you're going to have to remember that, the thing you're growing is other people. And so how do you do that through your business? So that's, that's the idea there.
  
    
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  So, you know, I'm listening to the guys EO fire, Gary Vaynerchuk, I'm listening to some of these business guys and they, from a digital standpoint, they challenge me and sometimes, honestly, I look outside of the church world to be challenged, to find some digital guidance and direction of what the future is. And it's interesting me to kind of filter that, through, through a spiritual lens, but you're asking secular businesses, you're asking business owners to really like release the business to God. And so like, let's just be very practical at that point because somebody out there is like, wait, what you want me to do? What with my business? That's separate from my one hour on Sunday when I attend church over here. So explain me what it is and why I should give up my business, my workplace. Why that's God's business? What does that even look like?
  
    
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  I couldn't tell you practically what it looks like for me and how we talk about it with our business owners. So like I said earlier, like I ran the business for 20 years separately in my head trying to be obedient to general things, the general callings of God through some mentoring and some discipleship in this area. But other Christian business leaders, they kind of enlightened me of what that the Bible has much to say about business as much as say about running a business. Where does vision come from? What does God want for my life? Well, if my life is mostly spent at work timewise, math-wise, then that's got a lineup too, right? Then this idea of that he can run it better than I can cause I again, I spent 20 years, I'm doing well and she's probably too comfortable staying where I was and then trying to figure out what's next.
  
    
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  I needed, I needed, I don't have this entrepreneurial thing that I see in a lot of business owners. And so I need like God to say what's next. And so if I start, if I believe that he cares about me in this business, is just a vehicle for our relationship. That's what changed my perspective. It's like he wants to guide me and he knows my heart is in the business and my time and He says, you know, where our treasure is, is where our heart. And so if he wants to reach me, it's probably going to likely be through the business. And so why not? Why not trust him with it and to let him lead it. And then I start to do that and I started asking specific questions that I never asked before. I practically like, okay God, what is the vision for my business?
  
    
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  Is it, A, is it yours? If we made that clear, are we good? You know, if we, if I turn this over to you and you start to pray through that and you know, God begins to speak because God is always speaking. You look for confirmations through scripture, through others, through Holy spirit. You're asking God specific questions like, God, what's the vision? Okay, I'm waiting and then I'm getting answers. And so, and you get more confident the more you do that. And before, you know, you're asking God, should I hire this person? Should I take this step? Is this what you want the business to do? Is this how you want to use this money? If it's your business, I'm stewarding it than I must hear from you. And so before I know it, my dependence on God and my relationship with him is so different and so improved.
  
    
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  And it's like night and day from the first 20 years. And so it's just like, and it's working because apparently God knows what's going on. And so that's the crazy practical side of it. There's a spiritual side, there's a tactical side, but they are both a chase to the father. That is what they are. As much as I can, well give him leadership and ownership of the business, then I haven't, I've just been blown away by it. And my relationship with him is truly that walking in the cool of the day kind of thing that he was after the whole time.
  
    
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  I pulled up a stat as you were talking, and this is something, this is Lifeway research. This is 2019. This is last year. They ran in a research, we'll link to it in the show notes. So you guys have it. 51% of people who are Christians. Spiritual matters do not tend to come up as a normal part of my daily conversations with other Christians. So the majority of people, it's 51%. it's not existing one out of two and it's not even like, you know, to the point of I'm willing to give up my business. It's almost a level of, yeah, like I'm not even talking about God outside of the one hour on Sunday. And so like what you're describing is really going to be a foreign concept to people where, you know, there's this, I'm presenting, you know, people define worship as the literal 20 minute block of musical noise that comes off of the stage for that one hour on Sunday.
  
    
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  Scripture tells us that we're presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice, Holy and cleansing to God. This is our spiritual act of, of worship. And it's, and it's more than just, you know, the, the low rumblings of that bass guitar coming through the subs, which is so glorious to hear. But it's really more of who we are as a Christian, and what our life entails entirely. And so you're dropping this knowledge on some people and it's probably, you know, exploding some brains a little bit, which is awesome. I, you know, I loved the little emoji of the exploding head guy. What are people's responses when you, when you talk through this, are they appreciative? Are they pushing away? Like, what's the range of emotions people are hearing as, as you're kind of coaching them through this idea of giving, of their business of all day are to God and letting God be central of, of their work, their home, their family, everything.
  
    
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  Uh, well, obviously Christian business leaders are the ones that are mostly being challenged with this. Like if you're, if you're on that, if you're not on, you know, for no in a relationship with Christ, you're just going to be like bouncing that off. But the ones that are Christian and they're hearing it, they're bringing like, they're kind of blown away cause they've never heard anybody put that together like that. Like, cause I'm a teacher. I'm a learner, right? And so I don't come with just fuzzy stuff. I've got a framework and I put it in an order and I show it to them and then say, yes, here's your relationship with God. And I walk it through vision to, your why, your purpose and your, your mission statement and your execution and how you're going to get there. And how you're going to achieve that vision and then how you're going to engage and empower your team to get there.
  
    
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  So it's a framework that I'm putting in front of them, very technical and, built off of similar business thinking models, right? Business operational models. But just putting God at the beginning of and saying, this is actually all about him. And so when I walk them through it makes total sense to them and they've never seen it laid out that way. And then we start talking about overflow specifically. It's just a little piece of that, right? And so we're actually trying to create an entire culture around this purpose. It's in you. And when you do that, you're actually building a purpose around God because he's the one that put the purpose there. And so to what degree they want to share or lead that story from a gospel standpoint or it's kind of up to them, they're usually, their reaction is, wow, I never knew that there was a logical linear flow to understand this. And so it kind of makes sense to them because business owners want actionable tactical steps to follow. And so, you know, make it easy for me. And so having those conversations a lot, that's where my gifting comes. Clarity and creativity combining, it's kind of coming up with this kind of unique flavor to it. It's just stuff I've done myself. It's just I've gone, God gives me what I need and then I'm sharing it with other people. So the response has been great.
  
    
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  I'm literally sitting here trying to think of the next question and my question was going to be, okay, so I own a Shake Shack. What is giving God my Shake Shack? What is that actually gonna gonna look like? What? How is that going to affect my business? And as I'm sitting here waiting for you to finish and I was going to ask the question, the first thing that pops in my head is Chick-fil-A and how that, that as a business like how is, how does, you know, giving God my business, how does that affect my messaging? How does that affect who I am? How does that affect my culture? And arguably there's others. And I'd love to hear some other examples, but you know, Chick-Fil-A as an organization, has been very vocal in standing up for you know, who they are and who they are not. And as diversive as they are, man, it's good chicken, man, that places is always busy and they've managed to stay in good favor, still holding to their, to the morals and ethics of, of what you know that, that family has instilled years ago. What are some other examples? Shake Shack's a bad example what else you got?
  
    
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  Okay, well I'll give you a quick summary of our client examples. So there's one client that's an egg roll manufacturer, faith based company. They've at the second generation, 30 year old plus egg roll manufacturer here in DFW. We have these conversations like, okay, let's figure out why, why you do this. And so we dig into that. And at the end of it, it's basically we've got to come up with the taglines and the stuff you're talking about messaging them that drives a story home. And so, we dug into it and said, okay, what is meaningful? It's happening. Well, it's an immigrant family that came over from Vietnam with nothing back in the 60s, running from all kinds of terrible things. And that country, they come to the US with nothing chasing the American dream. The mom of the couple is basically trying to figure out how to run the company with, and she's basically got $40 in her pocket and she got this crazy story of how she's landed here and how to get, her family and going and surviving in this country.
  
    
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  And so these are the people that started this and they're Christians. And so now it's 30 years later this, the daughter is now the CEO of the company and we basically have a minority owned, faith-based women led company. And so you can see, I'm already got things that are starting to pop up, what I can drive a meaningful story around. From there, long story short, the tagline has gone from things like, you know, I'll just, you know, just more generic things around, you know, honest food and things like that. Making, you know, quality products to our new tagline is made to love. And so I'm in, you know, the people that we care about, our people, we care about our customers and we feel like they are made. Those are, those are words that are Christians can identify with those words that someone is made to love and that the food is made to love.
  
    
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  And so we now have this conversation changing, starting piece for all of the communications and they can tell, you know, ten second, you know, simple surfacey level story about their quality of air girls and how our people are made to love. And, we want our food to be as well. And, or you can go really deep into the culture of, you know, how they hire people and how they attract people and, how they honor people and in that same tagline. And so it's like, that's the kind of thing I want. Like I want to give everybody a meaningful conversation starter and then we build a beautiful brand around it visually, all the creative assets. And so the entire organization now has these conversations the same way now. And they're all, the starting points are the same. It's super consistent. It's just like the ownership. They have exactly what they need to tell their story in any context. And it's working. It's attracting people to the organization in every way.
  
    
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  How do people and organizations, how do they work with you? What's the process to get started?
  
    
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  Well the beginning conversation would be making sure there's a fit there. Like where are you at? What do you, what do you, do you have a conversation that you're trying to change? Typically people come in with a pain point, right? And so, you know, are we willing to go to this brand story and revamp it and then reply it to all the channels? And so you to get started, it's having an honest conversation about where you are, what your, what can we affect, what can we impact? And then deciding if overflow is the right choice for you. Sometimes we need to go deeper and so it might be, well, I don't know. My purpose is I don't know where I start and I'm the leader. We might have to have some conversations around a purpose discovery process where we help you figure that out and then when you start applying it to the company and help you, you know, build from there. And so it's, there's a couple of different starting places, typical starting places, Ovrflo, and we work on that and that scope and then decide once we've built it, how far do we want to take it right now and keep going from there.
  
    
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  What's the, and so we've talked about businesses, we've, we've talked about churches. I mean, I really feel like even if you take the business out of this, if you, even if you take like the, the, the, the church out of this, I feel like there's a challenge for the individual where there's an opportunity. I mean, baked in a little bit of this and, and I don't want to like overstate, but there's like a, there's like a discipleship, there's like a personal mission kind of challenge in this where where we as individuals really need to as individual Christians today, we need to wrestle with some of the why on this and maybe recognizing, some of what the personal mission of our life is and why God's has us, where we are in our workplace. Maybe not as the boss, but maybe as a just a general worker. Why God has us in our community, in the home that we live or why God has us with our kids involved in this stuff that they're involved in. Like how can you make, do you ever wrestle with this? Like how does this overflow maybe apply down to an individual level?
  
    
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  We start with that conversation a lot. So we, like I said, we have a, we have a purpose discovery process that all of our team goes through and you dig into your spiritual gifts, your personality profile, your strengths in general areas. Like what, what, you know, why do you, you know, what do people say you're great at? And because we're trying to show them that God is putting in exactly in them what he wants them to do with their lives. And so most people, most people don't even know what their purpose is. There's a stat that says only 10% of people know what their purpose is, which is. It's way too valuable to be sitting there dormant. And it's way too much focus and clarity to know what your lane is like. God, you created me to do this thing. And so when Jeff needs something and it's, and I'm up, you know, do I recognize the skills and gifts he's called me to and am I operating in that when I see your need, cause that's going to show me that what God is asking me to do and I'm going to see the biggest fruit.
  
    
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  And you and I do that instead of trying to be somebody. I'm not. If I can be aware of myself more than it's gonna change, it can change lives. And it's, it's putting confidence in people that they never, they never had. And so when people know themselves and they know what God's calling them to, it's just like, it resonates so much stronger and deeply when you operate in it. And sadly, most people just have no awareness of any of that. That's what we're about with individuals. For sure.
  
    
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  It's so important. And, and I, I literally had coffee this week, with someone who's wrestling with this. This is a person who's been on staff for a number of years at church staff. And, I literally brought up the calling piece and they were like, you know, I'm not, I'm not sure what I'm called to. And it's this, this gross reality of, and it's, gross isn't even the right word, but it's, it's the stark reality of, of people that are living lives without realizing what God has some for and maybe they haven't understood it at a personal level to achieve their own clarity or they're so busy, you know, to your point, organizations are often so busy, they don't have time to ask the why's. Maybe it's that they're so busy living out the lives and the identities that they've kind of stumbled into on their own to put money on the table, food on the table, and things like that without stopping and realizing, wait, what does God have for me in that situation?
  
    
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  And oftentimes it to do that, to have, you know, God, be head of your, your organization and have that be the wire to have God be head of, of yourself like there's a humility in that. Where do you have to release control? When we look at the beatitudes, bless it are the meek or the poor in spirit or they that mourn. You know, Matthew 4-5, it's not a overly controlling, demanding power type a person that that's, that's blessed in those situations. It is blessed are the people who are humble, arguably who are teachable by God and shapeable by the path of the spirit who are in tuned to where he's leading. And that's dripping all over this. The ability to stop and to ask the organization why do you exist allows God the opportunity to drive instead of you forcing will upon that situation.
  
    
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  And whether, you know, I said this once in a blog, if you are responsible for your victories in life, then you're responsible for the losses. And so every, when you get, Hey, good for you, but the failures are all over you. If you're not responsible for the victories, if you allow God to own the victory, then God owns the failure because he's driving through that and allowing you to grow through that process. I would much rather give God the victories and allow God the cover, my failures then for me to be solely responsible for that giving God control is, is so much clearer. And, and Aaron, I love your path. And even just the courage to organizationally pivot 20 years into developing an agency and realizing, Hey, we're asking the wrong question and they're not ready to answer the question what's best for themselves.
  
    
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  We need to change the organization away from just a creative agency to an agency that's helping organizations answer the questions they really should answer. And then once it's answered, then yeah, we can definitely be the creative aspect, but there's so much value in what you're doing beyond just that ad campaign or that website or that social media look. So man, thank you for your diligence and your patience with that, cause I'm sure that's a hard thing to get a 20 year organization to kind of turn like that, but it's awesome to see how God is using you in this process. So man, as we're landing the plane, any last thoughts?
  
    
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  No, I appreciate your time. It's, you're definitely hitting on some of the high points. And, it's reminded me of some of the, just the challenges it's been to get there and it's, it takes a lot of faith and vulnerability and courage and just willingness to, do things that I'm not like I've done so many things in the last two years that I'm was never comfortable or never thought I was capable of but it's been completely praying through it, asking God to, you know, I'm going to trust you that I know you're bringing these opportunities. and I think this is gonna work and then you start to build on it and it keeps working and then it's like, yes, this is God and it is working and it's changing lives and I'm just excited to be part of it at this point.
  
    
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  The thing I love about this entirely is that you have literally yourself through the same test and you've redefined yourself through this why that you are asking other people to go through and you, yourselves, are living testimony of how you've gone through this process. So, man, thank you for being just diligent and faithful in that. And, we're going to be looking excitedly to see how God continues to do things through AM Agency. So, Hey, we're going to wrap right here. This has been a great podcast. Looking forward to what's next. For Aaron, this is Jeff with The Church Digital. We'll see you next time here on the podcast. You all have a good day.
  
    
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  ... I've found traffic time is not wasted if I'm listening to podcasts. During one of these recent traffic sessions God spoke to me through Seth Godin. Bet you didn't see that coming...
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  , Seth was asked a question (by someone from Romania) that hit surprisingly close to home: "If you were to start over now in 2020, what steps would you follow to build an audience that you go deep with? What is the right medium to expose yourself? What base would it be okay to do it so that you also build momentum and at the same time take advantage of the media algorithms that are affecting our work?" Seth's answer may surprise some of you...
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                    What Seth eloquently states here is there will never be another Beatles. Never again will one person have the popularity of Michael Jackson. Today, even rock gods like U2 pale in comparison with some of their early pioneers of Rock. Far be it for me to squash the musical influence of Prince, or Coldplay, in today's era. Music is a prime example of genres becoming sub-genres becoming sub-sub-genres. A simple Google search 
  
  
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                    While it was once achievable for Beatles or Michael Jackson to achieve musical-godlike status, 2020 culture has broken us all down into smaller sections. You'll never be able to reach everyone... make them all happy... Think about it. When is the last time we as an entire people agreed on anything? You want us all to agree on a musical style? That's not happening.
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                    This is what Seth Godin understands, better than most. If you want to impact the world, you don't try to impact a billion people. If you want to impact the world, you impact an individual, and then do it again and again and again. In 2020, you're not dealing with one giant world... you're dealing with many, many, many smaller groups of people within our world. Reach people in their sub-genre'd lifestyle.
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                    Seth is giving us the answer. Want to make big changes? Think multiples of small. The Apostle Paul would agree with Seth Godin. In 2 Timothy, Paul tells Timothy 
  
  
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                    One of the very first commands from God to man recorded in the Bible is to multiply. Upon creating Adam and Eve, God instructed them to multiply and fill the earth. The idea, it seems, was to multiply the earth with humans and spread the glory of God by exercising stewardship over creation. It was a great plan -- until you-know-who ate the you-know-what. Everything spiraled out of control then. Six chapters later, God tells Noah that He is going to destroy the earth with a flood due to the great wickedness on the planet. After doing so, did you ever notice that he tells Noah the same thing he told Adam. “Be fruitful and multiply” (
  
  
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                    Making disciples is supposed to be a multiplying movement, not an “addition” movement (that would actually be impossible, I suppose). Typically, though, disciple is not done nor viewed as such. Discipleship is usually carried out in what I call reciprocating discipleship, where Christians meet with Christians to “grow in the word.” Making disciples, however, is leading nonbelievers to Christ and teaching them to do the same thing. Disciples start to multiply.
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                    Consider the following example. Let’s say I lead 20 people to Christ every year. These are legitimate converts that have been saved through grace. I lead them to Christ, baptize them, and bring them to church. What pastor would not want a member to do that?
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                    But, let’s say that you lead only five people to Christ each year. They also get baptized and come to church, but you also meet with them often, you pray for and with them, you help them learn what it means to follow Jesus, and you teach them to share the Gospel -- you make a disciple. Consider five years of this in the chart below.
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    Mike worked with Jeff over at Christ Fellowship Miami as the Online Small Groups director. Mike was a vital part of Christ Fellowship's Online Strategy of Groups and Microchurch movement. The effectiveness of the movement was grounded in a simple-to-say, hard-to-execute philosophy: how can Church Online effectively create disciples for the purpose of multiplication.
  
  
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  All right, we got episode 48 here of the church digital podcast. And I love this episode. I feel like I say that every week, but I really, really, really am excited for you guys to hear this guy. We're bringing Mike Christian to the conversation. I'm willing to bet right now that none of you have heard of of Mike Christian. And that's okay. Mike Christian is really not a non online guy. He's not, doesn't really float around those circles. What he is is a missionary. The first time I met him, an executive pastor introduced them to me as the guy who got kicked out of India for planting too many churches. And I gotta tell you I was floored at debt. But what came of of that initial conversation and subsequent conversations became a really good relationship as I sat and learned multiplication as I sat and learned disciple-making misseology in, in context of these international countries.
  
    
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  Now, what's really interesting, and I challenged Mike with this and we're gonna talk about it in the podcast, is a lot of this, this missiology a lot of this disciple-making that he was doing internationally. What if we applied it to church online? What if we looked at church online in that same context where we are out there planting churches, utilizing online technology, utilizing zoom, how would that affect us here locally, domestically, here in America? How would that affect us internationally? How aware could we see the gospel spread in areas that, that we as a church may not be able to get to physically? It's this really scary, fascinating conversation as we're seeing the pieces start to come together. Mike even references a book that I had written called what happens when church online grows up? And I gotta tell ya. I love it. And so I'm actually as, as part of that, it's going to be in the show notes where we're going to give it away for free because there's so much good content in this podcast, in this book that this is the podcast that can change the way your church utilize this church online.
  
    
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  You are going to reach a whole other set of people if you just start to listen to this and apply some of these disciple-making processes to your church online. This is awesome. He literally talking about how discipling somebody on another continent and how that's affecting hundreds of churches as a result of being obedient. Just to train one dude, this is a crazy conversation to that in a bring it in. Raid the RMS currently online pastor at Christ fellowship Miami. I'm bringing in Mike Christian who is currently lives in Naples, but he is the former online groups director for Christ fellowship, Miami and myself, Jeff with the church digital and a conversation that I am calling the global missiological impact for church online. Everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  I originally went over for the purpose of disciple-making. My purpose was to come alongside the church planting movements and to work on the church planting movement health. Basically, the God was blessing the church planting movements. They were growing. There was a recognized need to disciple the new believers in the church leaders. But shortly after I arrived the person who was working basically at the strategic level of strategy coordinator for two of the church planting movements had to leave the field. There was a medical situation with a family member. He could no longer remain in India and had to depart. So I, I stepped into the role of also being a strategy coordinator for the church planting movements, the multiplication of churches, which was absolutely outstanding to be able to work on both the church planting side, the laying the foundations, but also the side of the disciple-making and developing and mentoring and disciple-making in that area as well.
  
    
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  So in terms of the church planting side, the multiplication side we were generally going and utilizing a process known as the four fields church kind of thing. And essentially it was going into an empty field, choosing an empty field which in India there were nerous empty fields. It's one of the areas where there are the most unreached people groups unengaged, unreached people groups as well. There were many, many fields available and the need was great. So the first was to enter that empty field. That was a very much a GoTo type process rather than an invite to come and see. Very few would come and see in that Hindu culture. Persecution was rampant. People who would become involved in a Christian organization, a Christian Church or be baptized, would often suffer family Austra's, ostracization or persecution. So it was very much a go rather than a, an invitation to come.
  
    
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  But after that sometime past, and I went back to Nepal cause I could still go back into Nepal and went back to Nepal to visit him. And he had built in addition to his house where he was hosting church. So that's an ideal situation for entering a field is to find the person of peace but find an empty field. The next thing was to go in and to seed that field. We'd need to go in and first make opportunities to where we could see it developing relationships in whatever way that took. But then once we had a relationship, it was all about telling my story and telling God's story. I mean it was all about giving our own testimony and then giving a gospel presentation not only because of the, the cultural, the language barriers and those types of things. It, it's very important to keep it simple, not only for getting our point across, getting a competent comprehension, but everything we did was with an eye towards multiplication.
  
    
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  He's a not, he's not a believer, but he says, you know what, I heard this about God set people free and have one day. He says, I've wanted that for decades. And so we obviously stopped the training and we started telling you about the gospel. The local, a local pastor from up there in the, they call it the Hills, it's mountains started sharing with him in this it bear becomes a believer right there that night and the training. And when he gets up from praying, he's just radiant, just glowing. He's amazing. He's just filled with joy. And then in less than a week, he had gone and led his wife and other children to become believers and brought them to the disciple disciple-making courses. It was just fabulous. We see that the disciple making is important. But the disciple-making, it always had to be replicable.
  
    
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  Church was a gathering of people who would come together unified by their love of Jesus Christ and their desire to follow Jesus Christ and to worship Jesus Christ and, and to obey the teachings of Jesus Christ, whatever that gathering wood would be probably in terms of the most of them. It was meeting in a home or living room or something like that. And that was the most common location, but certainly not the only, the only model. Now these churches would get together and for the most part they would perform in a, in a, in a gathering the functions of, of a church. And that was taught early on that what the core functions were. So they would, you know, they would engage in praise and worship and, and especially some people groups the Nepali people group and some of the people groups in India, they loved music and in an oral culture, in a culture where those types of things are valuable, it was essential.
  
    
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  And the next week they would ask them, tell me about who you shared with and how'd it go. And there'd be some accountability. So they did the teaching. They did that very well. It was enjoyable ministry. They, they were starting to get that it was coming along. Of course they would do ministry to people in their community ministry to people in their church. They would certainly go out and pray in the homes, in that culture. They don't just say, I will pray for you. They stop and they pray right away, right then on the spot. So they don't say, I will do it. It's not a future type verb. It is, let's pray right now. And they do that. They were very good about that comforting those who are sick making meals, those types of things. About the time, shortly before I left, they were also starting to do ministry outside of their own state, outside of their areas in that type of thing, especially disaster relief oriented ministry, that type of thing.
  
    
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  Explain. Okay, what happens, there may be one of the higher level church planners who will at least in the early start be attending and participating and training the, the leader or shepherd of that church and helping and very soon another person will also be encouraged to be developing in that church, developing under that leader. So there's multiple levels of leadership multiplication going on to where the original church planter is training and equipping somebody. But then that person is also training and equipping somebody very soon. And some of this is just out of necessity, but also it's because of how they're taught from the beginning person who has been groomed. That person who's also being developed reaches a level and is encouraged to, okay, now go and do it. And likewise amongst your, what we'd call the oil, close a bunch of your circle of influence amongst your extended family.
  
    
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  Go and do likewise and they'd be given the same level of support. We were always trying to see at least fourth generational growth so that there were fourth generation church plants and that was usually a sign, an indication that of health that it's working, that the DNA is going well. But even with that, it was often the church planter would still check for health, several several levels down. They could make sure that there was not false teaching creeping in to make sure that the multiplication ideology, the multiplication mindset was continuing. It was it was relational just like everything else. And it was developing just like everything else. It was generally the things that the, you know, business schools teach. It was just on a simple scale of where you develop somebody. And first you will show them and then you will do it in conjunction with them.
  
    
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  And then they will do it with you watching and then so forth and so on. It was also kept with an emphasis on the Bible. Everything had to be based on the Bible to prevent false teaching from coming in. So it was very important to, it had to be the teaching the disciple-making it had to be in the Bible. And can you show us that in the Bible and, and, and that was why the, you know, we had two levels of the swab. We're on that disciple-making level. We usually had two levels of disciple-making and actually sometimes there was even more, but two main levels. The initial the orientation and the milk level or the new believer level. And then we'd have sort of the more advanced for the meet level, usually right from the start early on in the milk level, they were given a very simple hermeneutic tool to be able to find out from the Bible, what does the Bible say?
  
    
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  And if they couldn't read the Bible, then they would often get it by hearing, either by an audio tape or by somebody who could read it to them. And then they were given a hermeneutic tool to utilize so that they could understand that so that they could S could examine that and make sure that they were examining that and making sure everything in the teaching, making sure everything in the speaking and the message was based on the Bible. So that was very important to is part of the disciple-making is the hermeneutic tool the ability to be able to look into the word of God and use that, use that rather than han teaching as the basis of what, what is it that is true? What is it that we should believe?
  
    
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  Yup. And so Mike, the first time I met you, and this is maybe 2015, I'm like, I remember I was introduced to you as, yeah, this is the guy that got kicked out of India. And evidently like, I, I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, they, they removed this, his passport. He's no longer allowed in the, in the country. I mean, tell us, like, tell us a little bit of the circstances around that. Like as I'm recalling, you were literally kicked out of the country for multiplying to many of these churches for, for creating, like what, what, what's, what happened to,
  
    
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  Right, right. So before I went to India, I got a passport of in a vase up and my visa for India was for 10 years. So it was a multiple entry 10 year visa. After I arrived there there was a change in administration, a party known as the RSS party came into power. There is, this party would like is is basically a Hindu nationalist party. They would like India to be something like a Hindu stay in a land of the Hindus. For Hindus. There were certainly some institutional requirements that came in. There were certainly some rules implemented that had to do with the rules against evangelizing rules against conversion. Some States were more hard line on that than other States. One state in particular where we had some church planting going on. We had a church planter who regularly going down there and he was saying that Christians were not being allowed to continue to be in a government subsidized housing, which in that area was important or to be in public schools.
  
    
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  There were there was a church planner who from that area, from that state who also reported that he had seen banners and signs where they had put out their goals and they had 20, 20 goal to be a Christian free 0% Christian by 2020. So things like that. There were some States where it was just not receptive, not open, certainly to hearing the gospel and where it was more likely that people would be persecuted. There were certainly those types of things going on. People sometimes who would come to a training or would go to a Christian event at the house might be persecuted. For example, one place I was teaching a three day Bible course. Most of them at that course, there were a few who were older but a large nber were just high school age. And so a bunch of the high school students had gone to a Christian meeting you know, at home in the evening, they came back to the teaching.
  
    
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  The third day there was on the second day of the teaching and the evening that they went out, they came back to our teaching on the third day and they'd been beaten that previous night by a mile. And they said, yeah, they'd been beaten by a mob. And it was found out after that. It was actually their parents would organize the mob, did not want them going to this gathering. And all of them, every one of them came back to the teaching the next day and said, well, we want to keep hearing about Jesus. So we regularly encountered that. We ha, as I said, we were very practical in our teaching. We would do disciple making tamps entire camps, but we'd send them out. Pastor Jorge that I know you both know was a speaker by Skype at one of those camps and he spoke on evangelism and the great commission going out and sharing and five of the young men who were at that camp when it came time for their time to be you out on their practical and to go out and share, they crossed the board, the state border into another state to state one of the States that's not very receptive.
  
    
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  And all five of them got beat pretty badly. Came back with bruises to the camp for going out and doing that. So it was, we would see that a lot. I began to have more and more questioning when I, when I'd have to travel, if I'd have to go through a major airport, if I'd have to travel, if I'd have to go out of the country, it would take longer and longer. We also had other missionaries over there who had been there for long periods of time, but their visas were no longer being continued when they were coming up. People, we had actually quite a few living in India in the same area at this time. I mean today none of them are living in that area of India and only one is of them. And there was still, there is still an India now.
  
    
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  So people were having difficulties with their, their visas getting renewed visas. Much of my work was up in remote areas up in the, in the mountains, they call it the Hills, but way out in remote remote areas in the mountains. But I had a area that was in what was called a second tier city, a fairly larger area. It was in a apartment complex a very large apartment building. You know, we would have gatherings there and we would sing worship songs and we would pray. And so I would make most secret of it. I hadn't, you know, I would have, there would be Bibles in my apartment and certainly the landlord would come by. My next door neighbor. Interestingly he was, he was a Hindu and he would worship, he would post his idol on a wall and he would hang it up there on the wall and then worship it and he'd have his door open and you'd hear him worship being over there.
  
    
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  One time I went over to Thailand for a missions conference. So I had to leave the country. I flew out of Thailand. I flew out to Thailand, went to the missions conference. I was coming back to the second tier of Syria city where I was based and had flown into the airport along with other Western missionaries who had been to the conference. When I came back, they detained me at the at customs there. It's kind of interesting cause at that same airport I had been stopped on the way out and they held me for quite a while and, but then let me go just in time, I barely made it on that plane to Thailand. Going out. So then when I came back in, I thought, okay, it's gonna just be the same thing. But then they kept bringing in more and more senior people into interrogation.
  
    
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  So it started getting pretty crowded in this, in this room with more and more people coming into interrogate during the interrogation. They were very strict. And they were very firm. They seem to know what they wanted. And, but they were not, they were not wanting to share any information at all. And so the interrogation went on for quite a while, and then they decided that they were going to hold me overnight. I was left in the room with one of the interrogation officials and he, they were always looking at their computer screen and information, and he shared with me that they'd been looking for me. This was in July, so this was in middle of July. And he shared with me that they'd been actually looking for me since may a couple months earlier. And, but he wouldn't share why he wouldn't reveal information.
  
    
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  And so I was kinda surprised that he actually shared that with me, that they'd actually been, had me on their radar and had been looking for me for that for that long. Yeah. Finally, after holding me overnight, they said, okay, we are canceling your visa. You are banned from the country for life and you're required to sign this statement acknowledging that you're banned and that you will not return to the country. Then they said since I'd come in from Thailand, I had to go back to Thailand. It was a process. I was not allowed to go back and get my belongings. I was not allowed to go back to my apartment. So I had to basically leave with what I had with me flew. I flew back out to Thailand and it just happened that one of my mentors in missions a person that who's placed, I took as a church planter in the country as I had mentioned, when he had to leave for a medical reason for his family, he was in Thailand and he said, you know, I always told the people who were working in India, if they ever got thrown out of the country, I was going to buy him a meal.
  
    
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  So let me buy you a meal here in the airport. He took me out to eat the airport. So I flew to Spain and then I got a flight, the cutter and then back to the U S
  
    
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  They did not give me much explanation at all. They were obviously wanting to put on a very strong front, a very forceful front and come off as you know, in this interrogation mode, the mode where they wanted to pretty much intimidate it. Obviously it was one of the times I often would have to conceal, you know, a Bible when I traveled, traveled with the Bible. And it was always interesting that that's what they would find in my backpack is the Bible, no matter how well you hit it. And that's what they would be most interested in was a Bible in the backpack. You know, it was always one of those challenges. You wanted to carry the word with you, but it was also one of those things they could get you into challenges.
  
    
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  I, I can remember you mentioned to Jorge, Jorge Molina, who's with Mariner's church and we've had Mariners on the podcast here a couple of times now. And I, I literally, I can remember driving through coral Gables with Jorge and we're driving from point a to point B and we're trying to figure out like who to bring on to be like a, an online groups director for Christ fellowship when I was the online pastor there. And just, you know, we're throwing out names of different people and I'd suggest somebody, it'd be like, no, I'm not. I'm not feeling that. And he'd throw out somebody and and I'd be like, no. And so we're just really having this conversation and I, I, it's clear as day. I can remember the stoplight I was stuck at [inaudible] when Mike, when when Jorge's like what about Mike Christian? And I literally turned to him, I started yelling at Jorge, are you telling me you think we could get Mike Christian to be an online groups director at Christ fellowship? Why have you not opened up with that name first? Why have you made me wait this long to have this conversation?
  
    
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  It's fascinating how everything, you know, sometimes you've got an incident, you can't just call it a coincidence. It's a God incidence that now I do because of what I learned through working with you with online, I'm able to do the same type of work with people in India all online and it's been phenomenal. So I'm still able to keep in touch and work with and disciple the people in India and Nepal and now adding Kenya to that. And it's been amazing how effective it's been. There are many people groups in India and they have many different languages and when people group is called the Raj bots, shortly before they got the Bible in their language, they just recently got the new Testament in their language. Raj Bazzi, people in a community in Northeastern India had tried to form a church in their community and not been able to, the community just wouldn't tolerate it in a home or a building or anything.
  
    
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  So here's this group of people they want to be followers of Jesus, but they need discipleship. They need to hear and be taught the word of God. There's a young man there who's brilliant, he's smart, he's in his early twenties who speaks very good English. He also speaks Raj Bansi. And so he approaches me about doing some disciple making with this group of young people who are of the Raj Bazzi people group. And of course I'm excited, I'm thrilled. And it turns out most of them are women. So my wife gets involved in disciple-making as well. Friday evenings our time actually Friday night and which was early Saturday mornings, they're kind of about six in the morning. We would do the disciple making course. We would teach basic things like just start with salvation, the basics of salvation, the foundation, salvation. And then we would teach them about a testimony and how to give a testimony and my story.
  
    
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  And then we teach about God's story and how to present God's story and to share the gospel with others. We teach them about prayer, the importance of prayer, communication, relationship with God. We would teach them about devotional time, quiet time about developing that relationship. It's important to have with God. We would teach them some about what is church so that they would understand church, its importance, what is it, what does it do? And of course we teach them about the essence of God, the heavenly father, his characteristics, his love. Finally, we would teach the a hermeneutic tool. He, the translator was using a Bible in Hindi and he would translate it into Raj bouncy for him. So we, you know, these basic teachings cause they were still very much on milk but it was, it was phenomenal how well that went.
  
    
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  Who would have ever believed that not only it could be done digitally but also cross-culturally and across pretty much halfway around the world. We actually were able to even do some of the practical things. So whenever we would teach something like the my story, you have my story, well everyone on that side would give me, given each individual an opportunity to stand up and do my story in front of the group. If we were doing the Romans road gospel presentation, every person would be given an opportunity to stand up and practice presenting that and drawing the picture that goes with it. And they would stand up and present it to the group and it would be on the video and they would have their drawing and they would hold it, their drawing. So we were able to, you know, do that and give feedback. It also, you know, there were times of prayer, there were times of fellowship, there were times of worship and all of that.
  
    
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  But most importantly, it was disciple-making and it was just phenomenal how well that worked and how well it met a need for that Raj bouncy people group at that particular time when they did not yet have even the new Testament and their own language and did not have a church. But yeah, it was just just phenomenal. And again, it was that perfect blend of what had happened in India and what had happened with you online coming together. But another great story too is, and this goes to the not only the, this goes to the multiplication side. When I went there I said, you know, I really went there to do disciple-making objective, original plan. The original request was to try to teach this course six which was a consistent of six courses with 30 Bible stories and to do so to six different locations. Now each time I went to tell a story, it would take maybe three or four days and the location.
  
    
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  So what we would try to do is get to the six different locations, maybe every other month. So as we began to do this, it was going well. The people who were receiving the disciple-making training were loving it is we reflected at the end of, about a little over a year, we saw, okay, well we've now reached six or seven churches. Okay, it was great for those six or seven churches and they've been well discipled and they're doing great. But you know what? These church planters, we're, we're working with four different church planting movement networks. Each network is starting about three new churches a month. So between the four networks, we're looking at around 2012 new churches a month. So in other words, their growth in a year is significantly greater than what I'm doing here. Disciple-Making so I thought, okay, we've got to apply the same multiplication principle that's being applied in laying the foundation and starting new churches.
  
    
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  We've got to apply that same multiplication principle to disciple-making. We've got to multiply disciples who will multiply disciples, who will multiply disciples. Or as one person coined the phrase, we've got to do this. Catalytically so I totally shifted my focus and it was a difficult, I gotta say it was a difficult thing to do. And this is all about pride. Ego in me is a cause. I love going to the churches and teaching. I love being the ones speaking and I love that they were loving it. So it was very difficult for me to hand that off to give that away and to not be the one standing up front being the center of attention. So, but what I had to be done. So we started out with a group of 12 from each of two church planting movement networks. So each network was sort of picking their people who seemed called you had the character.
  
    
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  And so what I did is I worked and spent my time instead of going to churches and teaching myself to teaching these 12 to teach and then 12 others, 12 times two for the two for two networks and teaching them to teach again, working with them in the same type of model where they would observe me. Then I would work together with them. I would observe them, I would then go and see. It didn't take long before they were reaching more churches than I had, but then they had developed more teachers than I had. And that was key. That not only were reaching more churches, they were multiplying teachers faster than I was. And so by the time I had left they had made far more teachers than I had and they had also reached far more churches. The most significant example occurred in the state that's hard to reach.
  
    
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  I was asked to go there and instead of going like three or four days a month, every month or every other month, I was asked to just come in and do a month straight. He was, much of the teaching is going to be covered. It was amazing. It was in September in a dry season. It was over a hundred degrees, no air conditioning. And usually the electricity could fail in the heat ceiling. Fans would go off, but 41 people packed the end of this place for about 30 days and received the training. And you know, it was, they loved it. And that was early on. I, that was my first year there. I arrived in July, this is in September. I hadn't been there long and at the end of it you know, we gave them a certificate presentation, which they couldn't read.
  
    
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  And in the picture, many of them were holding it up upside down, but they just loved it. We got great teaching and I'm thinking, wow, how 41 people have been taught. But this was a different church planting movement network that had been planting many churches and that doesn't even, it didn't even come close to keeping up with them. So I was asked to just at the end, got to change the mindset, got to do it. Catalytically teach other people to teach. And they had five people. They'd been to the original training, they had some more information, just equip them, train them to teach. So that's what I did. And it was not long after that I got kicked out of the country and I still kept in touch with them. 16 months later after they'd finished their training, after I'd been kicked out of the country, they lost track of how many altogether it was. But their estimate was that somewhere around 10,000 people had been taught. So me 41 multiplication ten thousand ten thousand. Yeah. So that's unbelievable. It was phenomenal. I was, I was just blown away when I heard that. I thought, well, you know what? I can't feel too bad about getting thrown out of the country. They just needed me to get out of the way. Get out. I'm like, you know, I was holding them back.
  
    
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  So like, you shifted to this church online role and you know, crazy Jeff, which is totally a thing. I admit I'm nuts. I'm like, Hey, whatever you did in India, we need to figure out how to like package this down. Multiplication groups, micro locations. We got to really experiment with a lot of that in context of Christ fellowship, Miami, their church online. How we, we we kind of approached it. What I'd love to hear from you is, so we've talked about multiplication. We've talked about some of these crazy stories that are happening on the other side of the planet and in a completely separate culture. What were some of the challenges? What were the, some of the lessons as you tried to move that multiplication micro location movement? It's kind of like all goes together. That's cool. I'll have to remember that later. That movement that worked in India and, and apply it to like a virtual digital space. What'd you learn
  
    
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  In the virtual digital space? People are more willing to participate and maybe that's because many people are shy or they're more introverted, but they're not that way always in a virtual digital space. So I found the level of participation, the willingness to engage, the willingness to share, to be terrific. You know, you might go to give a presentation somewhere or a message somewhere and only be a few people, a small percentage who will actually dare to engage, to talk, to, to share. But online it was pretty close to 100% were willing to share, to participate. That was really exciting to see. Another thing that I, I wasn't ready for, I didn't expect but was pleasantly surprised by in the digital environment was the willingness of people to get personal, to get intimate. And I was surprised how close people people could become, who had never met physically, personally.
  
    
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  So we would have small groups, the same group get together, whether it was a discipleship type group where we were doing a teaching or it was just a small group. It was regular getting together and very quickly formed bonds. Very quickly start to share things that were very personal and intimate. People would talk about their sins, people would talk about their failures and stblings people would talk about their temptations. I think for the most part, people were sharing things that they probably were not sharing with their physical group or their physical church or their neighbors. But for some reason there was something about being geographically separated or something and something, I'm still something, I'm still trying to answer why it is, but I observed time and time again that it is. Another thing I found too, and this is kind of interesting is when we would have these groups and of course the group itself would maybe officially meet by video call once a week and that was great and those were close.
  
    
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  But I also saw that when we also established something like a WhatsApp group that would go in conjunction with the online virtual group meeting, closeness developed, even bonds were developed even more. And here, here's what got surprising is people who would have prayer requests or needs would reach out via WhatsApp midweek so that you know that they were reaching out to their digital group instead of waiting until they went to a church or their physical group on the weekend. And so as you know, some of those groups developed four years ago and their WhatsApp groups are still active and still in fact daily messages going back and forth. I'm still on the sea on the WhatsApp groups and they're still communicating. I found that that was good too, was to not just have one medi and to not just have it be at one official time because you know, as you hear, life happens.
  
    
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  And so for example, one group had two students, one was working on his J D one working on his PhD smart guys, but it was amazing how many times midweek they would be stressed and reached out or they'd have a prayer request related to you know, needing to needing prayers for this test and where would they reach out to their WhatsApp group? Their online group or we'd have people who were struggling with things. A person who'd been in prison probably wasn't sharing that with the local community, but was sharing that with the online group and the temptations and the stresses and things going on across the different state. So it was always phenomenal to me about the, none of the participation, but the intimacy, the bonds that could be developed. And of course, it's there all the time. I also have been pleasantly surprised.
  
    
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  I gave some examples of this from what we're doing on indeed. We've done within the online is just how much information can be shared and developed and learned online. Another thing too that I found online, whether it's small group or church, it's important that the online, wherever you want to call it, group, community, whatever your word is, it needs to do more than just one function. Patrick is an amazing example of that. I've never met him in person, but very close with him. Patrick is a church planter and church leader in Kenya. Kenya. Patrick started a church in his home. He lives in the sl area of a major city. He was a paramedic by training. He started a church in his home and it grew, grew pretty quickly to where it could not be contained within his home. They couldn't meet his home, so they started looking for other space where things space Hettrick realized he wanted some support, some discipleship type training, some guidance, some assistance.
  
    
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  And so he reached out through an online program through Christ fellowship online. He got he entered a connection card. What he wanted was not money but training teaching guidance. And so I started working with Patrick. Patrick went through sort of what we would call the orientation course, which was just one session. They went through what we call our meat milk course, our initial for new believer type course, although he was not a new believer. He went through that and then we started into the meat type course and at this point some three and a half going on four years later, Patrick and I still get together once a week. Sunday mornings it's usually early Sunday my time. But then late Sundays, his time, usually we alternate with one week we're doing teaching that he can then use to teach the church or teach Bible study groups there.
  
    
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  He will multiply it in the alternate weeks. From that, we are studying a Bible passage associated with that teaching. It's still sitting with the story and we go deeply into the passages using a hermeneutic tool. So sometimes we'll get through maybe six verses in an hour, but he'll come away with a great study of that passage, which will also result in an outline for a message to give his church. It's a sermon outline. So we're doing that as well. We actually now have more than just Patrick participating. There are also people from India who are participating, so we've got people, you know, three different continents, multiple languages, but we're coming together, we're studying the Bible together and these are all church planters, church leaders, and we're really in, these are getting to be very informative because as you know, when you study the Bible alone, there's, there's value in that.
  
    
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  But when you study with a group and God gives some revelation, some insight, some wisdom, each person in the group and then you share it, everyone's knowledge expands, everyone's gross. So we have that, but also they're coming at it from the perspective of a person in a major city, in a sl in Africa, and people in remote areas in the mountains, unreached areas in Asia and in North America. And I find that I am learning a great deal every time we get together and do this Bible study every other week when we do the hermeneutic tool. It's amazing how much I learned, even from passages that I've studied and taught in the past. It's always valuable in always I gained new insights and revelations.
  
    
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  Right. Mike, can you talk about how that's making a missional impact on where Patrick is currently? Because a lot of people think this is something that, look, don't get me wrong. I love mission trips and I love that stuff, but this has potential, you know what you've been doing with Patrick, you've been giving him training, you've been doing all this stuff and you're not even set foot in Kenya and now what's resulting in his home country?
  
    
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  Patrick is taking that teaching. He is teaching others to do it and to teach it. He's developing people in his church to become church leaders and church planters, but also other members of the congregation. So for example, we are teaching him not only to teach the stories to his church, but to teach those people to teach it as well, to multiply them. We didn't know this was going to happen when we started, but after we started teaching Patrick these courses and this multiplication and four fields, church planting, Patrick was invited to a leadership smit for pastors in Kenya. It was originally expected that 300 would ten five hundred people, 500 pastors in Kenya attended. And Patrick taught what we had been teaching by video there in Kenya to that group of 500. Patrick has also been invited to Uganda. Patrick is now working with some 30 church plants in Uganda and teaching it there.
  
    
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  He's asked me, he's asked me if I wanted to go to Uganda when I'm, while I'm there in Africa. I don't know that I'll have time, but I, that would be exciting to get to go over there as well. But he said he's invited me to go see the work that's going on in Uganda as well. Patrick is, he's in a unique position as a paramedic in an area that's a sl area where people don't receive medical treatment. Patrick has a ministry where he ministers through his medical skills to the orphans, eh, there who are living on the streets in this major city. And it gives him an great opportunity to share the gospel, but his church is able to come alongside and to learn and devalue this as well. When we teach, for example, the Romans road method of teaching the gospel, it's always encouraged that Patrick, this isn't just for you and it's not just for your church. It is to go out and tell it to everybody to multiply it to everybody. And Patrick has, has been incredibly obedient doing that. Then yeah, some of the things that have been happening are just a, it's a patient's three 20 exceeding abundantly above all we could ever have imagined some of it. So yeah, I'm looking very much forward to actually in April seeing it, but so far as, as as has been mentioned, I've never personally and you know, shaking hands type of meeting that Patrick, but we continue to get together.
  
    
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  What an incredible story of, I mean, listen, I was the one who first got the the card and, and, and as, as I've mentioned before, like I thought it was spam. I mean, like you get into like the email from the Prince in South Africa who needs two point $4 billion. But if you give him 100,000, he can unleash the whatever and then you can, he'll pay you back plus. And so I'm literally, I'm looking at this card via email, come in and, and I, I can distinctly remember my, the cursor is on the spam button in the web browser because cause I'm like, I want to see how much this guy wants from me. And once I can read how much this guy wants, I'm going to laugh at it. And then I'll Mark it as spam. And so I'm reading this email from this guy, Patrick and Kenya, and I'm like, there's no amount here.
  
    
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  He's not asking for East, literally not asking for money. He's to be discipled and and to see, okay, let's, let's see what happens. And just being obedient with that, that one relationship that's gone, what, three to four years at this point if not longer, Mike, man, it's, it's, it's powerful to see how God has used that. And, and honestly, part of me is like, man, this would be inspirational for others. How many others of us are out there that, that, that how many of our church online to have something like that where we're, we're engaging with somebody from the outside who, who wants discipleship, who wants to training, who wants to be empowered on personal mission and, and you know, thank God that, that, that you were able to do that for, for, for Patrick. But how many others have, have we missed in the process of that?
  
    
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  I think that's a really important point. It actually essential in that there are nerous others and the need is, is, is even greater than, than what we're reaching. What is needed is not some great expertise is just willingness. This whole, whatever it is, the three and a half to four years, it really, the cost has been zero. It's been time, but it's, it's paid back in terms of my learning and growth and the spiritual blessings. It's paid back great dividends, but there hasn't been any expense to the church at all. Really. It doesn't cost a thing and it's phenomenal. The results and what's being achieved. The growth. And Patrick has just been amazing. He's gone from, from the initial course to where he's now teaching, not only teaching that course, but teaching others to teach it. And when I get together with him and we studied the Bible, he's developed phenomenal biblical knowledge and it's amazing how the Holy spirit is working in, within him, giving him insights and wisdom and as we study the Bible and look for and study different passages, his insight into those passages and what the Bible is revealing and how it can be used and applied is just phenomenal.
  
    
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  And I'm excited to hear. And we were talking about off air a little bit, like even Christ fellowship. Miami's considering licensing Patrick and, and working through some things. So excited to see, you know, even just the, the church recognizing, Hey, there's a, there's ministry that's happening online through this. Honestly, the story of Patrick makes me and, and I don't know that I want to dive down this well cause I think it's another conversation, but like some of this stuff's making me even re-imagine what, what global missions looks like, you know? And so yes, it's incredibly awesome to, to go over there and have, have the resources. But Mike via zoom, you've had such an impact on that region through Patrick and just through a one-on-one discipleship conversation that,
  
    
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  And in India, WhatsApp, they love to use WhatsApp. I still continue to keep in touch with a nber of the church planters as well as the church leaders over there. So they continue to send me pictures, video, prayer requests, praise reports and just communications from there as well. In Nepal there's a pastor in Nepal actually a pastor in Nepal and a church planner in Nepal who are doing very well and they communicate via WhatsApp. They enjoy that and it works well for them.
  
    
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  It's so funny because Mike, you nailed it on the head. We put so much emphasis on asking questions like, well, what if and how do we do acts? And really the answers are right in front of us in terms of the digital tools that God's given us. You know, when you were there in India, you spent so much time invested in people and you did such a great job of having a multiplying movement. You know, Jeff's quoted Ronald Reagan before in saying there's no limit to what man can do what the full quote Jeff, if he doesn't care who gets the credit
  
    
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  You know, Mike, you've leveraged a lot of this for the sake of church planting. Disciple-Making all of this happening missionally and you've done it in a sexual way that you know, stewardship wise, I wish that more pastors would take the challenge to basically take like a fellow pastor underneath their, their stewardship or you know, their flock or whatever else and just kind of invest in them digitally in this way. Mike, how would you encourage ministers here in the state to leverage some of the technology to possibly pass on grant? Great theology or great training mission.
  
    
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  I've been involved with the course perspectives on the world Christian movement and on one of the opening nights they shared a statistic, if I get it wrong, you'll get the concept. And that was that in North America, 90% of those who are trained in ministry are ministering to 7% of the believers in North America. So if you think about that, there are these huge areas of the world, huge areas of the population that are outside of North America craving hungry to somebody to teach them like that Raj bouncy people group an hour a week would mean a great deal to them, especially in route that doesn't yet have the Bible in their language or is prohibited hasn't been able to start a church. It would be extremely valuable to them. It would mean so much to them. It would certainly make them it would be great for their own for disciple-making, for helping them grow in Christ, but also for equipping them.
  
    
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  We find that in the, in the Asian culture, they, they're very obedient to the commands of Christ. You know that when it says in the great convention, it doesn't say teach them the commands. This does teach them to obey the commands, to be obedient to the commands. And we do find that they're anxious to obey, to be obedient in that culture. When I think about some of these groups that we're teaching online, here's, here's how much they went to learn. Let's just use that Raj Montse group as an example. They are in a rural area. They, most of those who are attending didn't have the computer themselves. It was during their colder season. They were coming out and gathering at six in the morning, their time, which means they had to walk to get there in a rural area in the dark. There are streetlights communities, so they're probably getting up at somewhere around four 30 walking for several kilometers in the dark, in the cold, and then they're gathering in what appeared to be a shed.
  
    
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  In fact, we heard the cows mooing in the background, so we had a, we had cows and chickens and that in the background noises, we could see their breath because it was so cold, but they didn't miss a week. Every week. They were there at six in the morning in the dark huddled together to get this discipleship training to hear and to receive this tech training and they were excited and loved it. Imagine what that, imagine how excited a pastor would get to have a congregation who was willing to walk for an hour in the cold to hear them speak. And then they have no chairs to sit on, no tables, nobody conveniences and no heat. And to sit there in an area where cows are moving and chickens and you can see them walking past it and sometimes on the video screen and they're just excited and anxious to learn and hear that.
  
    
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  And it's the same thing with the people that Patrick will bring some people to sh to listen and they'll share with them and they're excited as well. It's the same with the, even the leaders who have been believers for awhile, their desire to receive training that they can pass on, there's received praying that they can multiply is a myths. Jeff, I like that booklet that you had published about the online church growing up and, and there are three questions in there that I think we've covered, but I want to make sure that we do question. One of the questions is, is it possible to share Christ's love with someone online? Well there's Patrick, thank you for the loving, but, but also we saw that time and time again, not just with the groups in Africa and in India, but with the groups that we were doing through teaching a discipleship course online.
  
    
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  When we were doing that, which was mainly people in North America, people who had connected to it through online church. The main purpose again was discipleship training. But again, we tried to do those other functions and people turn to that. They became, they bonded. And to the point that long after that discipleship training was completed, the WhatsApp groups are still going, they're still submitting prayer requests. They're still bonding and loving and doing the one another's. So yeah, I'd say the answer to that is a resounding yes. And they can do a lot of the one another's. The second question in your brochure, your book is what about creating biblical community online? I think that I've seen some people develop closer relationships online than they have with their next door neighbors and certainly more willing to share things. And, and, and actually it's kind of a condemning in a way, but it's also shows the power of online that we had people who felt closer to this online person who doesn't even live in the same state than they may from the person three doors down and certainly communicate with them more frequently, share prayer requests with them more frequently.
  
    
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  Share their trials, tribulations, their stresses, their stblings more frequently. So I think that word community is right on the Mark. It's definitely, we've seen it happen and continue true discipleship happen virtually seen many examples of that obviously both at the milk level and the meat level, both with initial discipleship with that Raj bouncy group to the point of working with people who are church leaders, church planters, and even to the point of developing sermons where it's almost become a homiletics tool. Even not only sermon prep, but we'll get together with people like before Easter, we always make a point of, Hey, we're going to everyone from the Indian church who's giving a sermon on Easter, let's do it online with us here. Let all of us look at it and give you feedback. Patrick, same thing. Do your sermon online and we'll listen to it and give you feedback. So even that's happening, people who are pastoring churches are valuing it. Yeah, it's, it works well.
  
    
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  Well first off I want to thank you for reading my book. I mean like other than you and my mother, it's a very small list. So Ray Ray shaking. So maybe there's, maybe there's more than okay. All right. You're good. But so thank you for that. But it brings up and, and honestly that, that was a and we'll, we'll include link in the show notes it right now it's five bucks in the website. I've been wanting to give it away for free and change it. So we'll just link to it where you guys can download it for straight cause you know, information is free. Go change the world with it. But that's really is, is a, is a piece of the story of, of kind of how we at Christ fellowship Miami, the questions that we wrestled with in this process of how do we apply discipleship level multiplication strategies.
  
    
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  And I love how you're, you're separating the milk from the meat. Cause that was almost a unspoken within the book and sensing some of the things that we struggled with with during that season of Christ fellowship Miami as we were multiplying and growing and almost learning a while no one else was really, or very few people were doing it, people were asking questions. I believe this. There were tons of people in in those days that asking questions, but leadership wasn't. And in many churches in many facets, they weren't, weren't on board with it yet. It was really a bleeding edge tech. Fast forward, you know, four or five years later there's a lot more churches that are doing micro site. There's a lot more churches that are even doing you know, a global strategy in context of that. Some of the things that we're wrestling with right here, man.
  
    
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  I think this changes the way that churches look at global. You know, we see Christ fellowship starting to do global campuses. You know, West side family Jason Morrison who will be on a podcast later. We actually had to rerecord, did like prerecorded podcast with them super early because he's going to be in Africa as well working with partner churches and things because they are a through West side family has this same thing where they're starting to mentor and develop and disciple and train natives on how to do a micro church movement over there. Some of the systems that they're using here, they're implementing their overseas and that's not like white man coming to save the day. Cause I don't want to be the guy that says that I truly, from a misseology standpoint, I don't believe that. But I think that we can train others to train. And so the more that we can empower either people in our own, use our people on the other side of the planet on how to utilize and spread the gospel, utilizing some of these online tools, I think the better the world is going to be for the cause of Christ.
  
    
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  We shouldn't be thinking of it as an either or situation online or physical. It's not an either or. And it in no two may be the same whether you want to call it blended or mixed or anything. But the important point is you don't even make these barriers. And this was something that I didn't know at first when I started online. You know, I was in this either or we're online, we just do online. It didn't turn out that way. It turned out to be into evolve and to grow in its own way almost organically, which is important. So for example, there's that church that was started through online, but then in New York, interestingly, that wasn't just online. So for example, when we were doing some of the discipleship, we may have myself online, I wasn't in New York and we may have one or two others online, but the vast majority of people were getting together physically and watching and doing the training together physically that we were presenting on why, but they were together in a group and sometimes they'd get the entire rest of the people who were going to receive the training were going to participate together in a group together in one person's house.
  
    
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  So we had some online myself online and everybody else not, or they'd have a mixture. I work with a church planter who is in sort of North central India. I will teach him something, he will practice it and then he'll go out and do it that week or the next week or teach it to others and teach others to do it. And then we'll come back in another week and we'll do the same thing. I'll teach you something and then he'll go out and multiply it that week and then come back. So it's very blended. I'm not there. He's there, I'm teaching it to him, but teaching it to him in a way that he can go teach it to others and he's there physically. Patrick is, is sort of a blended as well. And then we certainly do a lot online, but a lot of what we're doing online, he then goes and does through Bible studies, the church in his city through leadership conferences and churches outside of his country. So it's not purely online, it's not purely physical, but in, in a way the online teaching the online disciple-making is having an effect in a city on another continent. In the physical world.
  
    
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  The good news of this, and this is just the curious and Mike, you alluded to this, it's the power of being connected every day. It's the power of that and having that ability to be in somebody's life on a regular basis. It's that kind of thing that draws us together, that keeps us together, that despite time, despite circstances, whatever else, it's to know that people are in your life and that we can leverage technology and sexual way to help facilitate that. That makes it powerful and God willing, you know, as church movements continue, as these things happen, that technology can continue to be used just as a tool in the arsenal of folks to help disciple others. It's not that the technology is the all encompassing thing. It's said it's a tool to help disciple others in the health, keeping communication and community with,
  
    
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      <description>In my time spent leading church online, I’ve encountered many who are a bit slow to consider leveraging digital platforms for discipleship. I understand, Church Online has its share of critics. However, online small groups should be an easy win for the Church and help many more people engage in spiritual community.
Here are 3 reasons you should consider starting an online small group at your church:

Your (physical) church is already online. This is a crucial point for you to understand. You are not introducing your church to a new concept. You are leveraging something they already do for discipleship. There are many digital platforms that your congregation uses. In other words, you do not even have to leverage a new platform. Use the social media methods that you already utilize to interact with your congregation and find a way to begin engaging a group of them in discipleship.
Those engaging you online need community. We engage on social media with the purpose of having a greater community. If someone is engaging with you on a digital platform, it is because they want to be more connected with the life of your church. Help them do so by providing discipleship where they are. Digital platforms can provide a convenient method for community and help engage those who have no other way of doing so.
The reward is greater than the risk. The only thing it will cost you is time. Many ways to engage people in community online are free. You can lead people through numerous online Bible reading plans or through conventional Bible studies. The point is, you can fulfill the mission of making disciples. This is just a new method for you to explore.

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      <description>Exciting news for Church Online fans out there. I (Jeff) have accepted a role with Stadia Church Planting as Director of Digital Church Plants. For Stadia &amp; The Church Digital, we're defining a "digital church" as a church that plants/launches/starts virtually with an option to maybe one day launch physically. Yes, we're wrestling with the ecclesiology of a church that exists in digital-space-only. (Look for multiple ecclesiology conversations coming to The Church Digital Podcast very soon.) Ultimately, with Stadia our goal is to:


design a new "model" of church that aligns to the biblical functions of church, not necessarily .
partner with organizations and vendors to develop reproducible systems that foster discipleship-driven relationships digitally.
recruit and train church planters to plant churches digitally.
observe, adjust, repeat steps 1-3.

It's going to be a fun process, and one that we're going to be talking about in the coming months here at THCHURCH.DIGITAL Rest assured, THECHURCH.DIGITAL is not going anywhere, but will be ramping up to provide more resources for you.
I excitedly dropped the news this week on YM Sidekick Podcast with Tom Pounder. Check out his podcast "What does Online Church Planting Look Like" to hear some of the backstory and initial thoughts on what's coming up with the Digital Church.
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 All right, so Episode 47 here at The Church Digital Podcast, we're going to answer a question that I feel plagues many churches out there today. Is my church mobile app worthwhile? Now, the fact that you're asking that question, I'm probably going to say right now the answer is no and first before you all freak out. That's not your mobile apps fault. I think there's an opportunity for many out there in the church to better realize and understand what the purpose of a mobile app is for. If all we're doing is broadcasting weekend experience, weekend environment, weekend content through the mobile app, then yeah, there's better ways to do that or other ways to do that, cheaper ways to do that. Maybe, but there's another opportunity to do something larger with mobile app than what I think we're realizing right now to help us in this conversation. I'm bringing in Jon Crabtree. Jon works with sub splash who arguably has more mobile apps out there than anybody else in the country right now. And John has been with the company a long time and is used to answering questions from people like you and helping people just like you develop their ministry through the mobile space. And so we're going to bring Jon into the conversation specifically addressing and answering this one question. Why does your church, big or small, need a mobile app? Hey everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 01:21 We really consider ourselves at Subsplash an innovation company. In 2009, we built out the first ever iPhone app for a church. And so that was kind of the birth of the innovation mindset and spent several years just around many different services underneath that and have opened up many others, you know, beyond. So you think about not only just the app itself, but what services are under that media notifications, event delivery, Bible reading, those sorts of things. And then beyond that giving as well, as an element, just the overall engagement piece. And so being an engagement and innovation company, 11 years in mobile, and you know, really in 2009 the app store was about a year old. So we've kind of grown up with them. We were there in its infancy and we are kind of like the kid down the street from the app store, the neighbor that we grew up riding bikes together in a way.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 04:37 And his name is Steven Teststone and he's really a builder, built out a website, basically provider though. So you build your website through that back in 2006. So he was kind of in it when Squarespace and Wix started too around that same time. And so he had that going for about 11-12 years. And then we kind of merged with him and brought him on board the company. And now he's our, I would say our Director of Product Development, I believe is his official title, but as Steven Teststone don't so, so we offer that side as well. And so there's a whole lot of clients now that are using a variety of different services that we provide.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:18 So you've got mobile apps, you got, you got, websites, you know, TV apps. I think I've seen where you guys are doing the Roku and the Apple TVs. And how has development on this gone? What do you see like adoption rate with churches? Like are they, are they all about the mobile? Are they transitioning into mobile and web, are they adopting the TV apps? Like what are you kind of seeing in this?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 05:41 Yeah, the analogy I like to make here is a lot kind of like a, we were just getting to the Superbowl, right? So a lot of football teams talk about a balanced, you know, a balanced team, a good offense and a good defense and all that. We really think of a balanced strategy digitally. And so I think this aligns well with what you talk about a lot, Jeff, is there is a whole lot of opportunity in this day and age to reach people on different types of screens and different types of devices.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 06:13 When you look at the actual usage rates across, so comScore, they are a company that's based on a lot of different places, but their main hub is in the DC area and they do research across 16 different countries worldwide. And they look who's on actual television, who's on smartphones, who's on their desktops or laptop, they combine laptop under the desktop umbrella. But what they've found is pretty remarkable. The UK is some like 86% of total digital time spent on their smartphone and specifically inside apps. The other 14% of that time on their smartphone is in a web browser, like a mobile browser. But then you get to like the US, we're pushing 90%. You get to like Indonesia and Singapore, it's like 96% of the time that they're spending on their phone is in apps. And now that's a wide range. You know, you're talking 50 to a hundred top apps across the world, driven by multi-billion and trillion dollar companies.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 07:17 But what's really fascinating about that is that the churches that have kind of gone all in with us are seeing some pretty incredible results. Like there's a church in Nashville, probably about 6,000 or 7,000 people on a weekend, but they have something like in the last 30 days alone, 26,000 sermon and media plays through all of their different screens. So that's mobile app. They have their web embeds on their website that they do through sub splash. They have their TV apps, a smaller percentage, only about 2% of their total is through the TV. But I think that reflects really, that switch from the television to the mobile device in this day and age, especially in the last five years but they're seeing something like 22,000 app users and those app users on a consistent basis have about 33 different impressions per month on their app.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 08:13 So when it comes to the top churches that are really seeing success, they tend to see like around that and it's cause they're driving people to where people generally are in this day and age, which is on their phone. So a lesser amount on tablets and that's important as well. And then it's still around 25% of total time is on desktop. And so you gotta be able to connect all these things together. So all that to say, I think it was a long answer your question, but it really balanced the digital strategy is what we push in this in this day and age.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 08:46 And I could see totally where mobile and then tying in that web. So it's all within the same ecosystem.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 08:51 Like last night my wife asked me what's Tiktok and being in the mobile space. I said, well it's kind of hard to explain but it's literally just a timeline of videos. So you had your Instagram starting out as a timeline of photos and now, but we download it together and it was really interesting cause we downloaded it, not in the app store. We went to their website and the very first thing says is download this on the you know when you click it and it goes to the app store and downloads for you. And so it's very interesting cause there's still a funnel going through the web but then when they want you to actually engage, it's in the app. So it's an interesting trend that's happening across kind of all of the big boys.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:31 So, yeah. So let's unpack that cause that's, that's a really fun paradigm. So you're, you're a mobile app guide, but some stuff lives in web too, right? Like let's talk this out because somebody out there is listening to right now and they're like, yeah, I don't need a mobile app. I've got a mobile website. That's all I need. What's the balance like when you're developing mobile strategy or when you're talking to a church, like what's the stuff they should be doing in mobile app? What's the stuff that they should be doing in mobile web? Like where is that tension as they're helping to develop a strategy?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 10:03 Yeah, that's a great point because there's, there's kind of a wide range of things that are happening under that question, aren't there? There's, you've got Google who owns google.com and YouTube, which those two forces combined along with some others. I know I'm very generalizing here, but those forces combined really drive where you show up when someone's searching for you. On the web and so you have to have a really nice mobile first and mobile friendly, not even mobile friendly anymore, mobile first website. You have to have that. And what what we see in the church world really is it's become more of your signposts in this day and age and less so your engagement portal, your engagement portal will be on the phone because statistics are saying if you're between the ages of 13 and 64 and I know 90% of statistics are made up, but if you're between the ages of 13 and 64 you're spending no less than 63% of your total, four and a half digital hours per day inside of a smartphone app. The other probably 2020 ish percent to 25 is spent in your basically desktop, laptop, browser environment. And then there's a smaller proportion of tablet apps and tablet web and, and smartphone with essentially the idea being that if you've got to make that website to be really nice to signpost for and that it's mobile first.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 11:36 And so that means mobile responsive. That means you're using all the tags and SEO functionality that a modern website builder gives you, but then when you really want people to spend significant time, like study time, let's say Bible reading plan or maybe lead pastor or the community pastor or someone at the church, if you're dealing with a very large church, you know, usually they have someone who's like the teaching pastor and if that person has develop some sort of 21 day or 40 day curriculum, you want to drive people to your app for that because you can do audio and video better through that. You can generally do, you know, note-taking, cloud-based note taking better through that and even interaction like communication back and forth between the church and that individual. But in order to be searched and found, we got to have some really great stuff on the website too, specifically information that people are generally going to be looking for, which would be, in my mind, who's the leadership?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 12:46 What's your statement of belief? What's your theological statement, so to speak? Where are you located? That's often one of the very first things. And, obviously you want giving and media and events showing up on there too. But if you really want people to go deeper throughout the week and you talked a lot about the other 167 hours a week or 166, whatever it is, right? Two hours on Sunday, what about the rest? And for me, it's, if you're going to give people significant opportunities to engage and go deeper that's where the app really comes into play in our minds. And we've seen it, we've seen that engagement and success happen for the clients that we have.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:32 I love that. Most churches I work with are lucky if they get one hour on Sunday. If you're getting two hours on Sunday, man, your, your preacher's preaching a long sermon or you really love worship. That, that's cool. But that's exactly right. I mean, and that's really the crux of this where I think a lot of the negativity that comes around a mobile app or to desire not to have a mobile app is really a lack of understanding the power of what a mobile app could be or a lack of even expectation of what the church is. Most of the mobile apps that I see and just, and I'm not going to make up stats because 90% of stats on the internet are made up, said, Ronald Reagan on the internet last week. And so as a result of that, but I would say that there's a large percentage of the mobile apps that I see in the market that churches are using are basically just a glorified weekend service where I have access to a message. I have the ability to take notes maybe for the message. Well, I mean, a lot of this stuff with the message, seeing the message, I can see that in a web browser, I can see that in a church online platform, audio only of the message. Okay, great. I can get that on a podcast. Like there's other things that we're doing where we can pull this stuff instead of through the mobile app. And if the, if that's your expectation is then, then yeah, you probably don't need a mobile app, but there's so much more power behind the mobile app. Like you're talking about reading plans or a lot of these other things that they get into that 167 hours a week. That would be other than the one hour on Sunday, which makes for a total of 168 which is great. But once we start to explore that space, you know, the mobile app, I agree with you, it, it starts to have a lot more purpose and some of that stuff, you know, at this time and day where it's not as easy in a mobile web infrastructure as it is in a, in a mobile app. So like, let me ask you this question, just what are some things that you've seen that Subsplash is doing, that's some churches maybe are looking for or even asking about that, really dig into this, reaching people from 167 hours a week, not just the one hour on Sunday?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 15:43 Yeah, that's an awesome question Jeff. And we've been spending a lot of time trying to really dig into where people are right now and why, why they're there. And so we saw that on that same comScore research. It just came out on October 31st last year. And if you go to comscore.com I think it is some like that. I can, I can shoot an email over to Jeff, but, but basically that what's really cool about that is that 93% of social interaction is happening through a mobile app. And so we spent a really good chunk of 2019 really figuring out when people are communicating with their church and with the people at the church in their small groups, if there's a serving on a weekend, right? If they're in that or they're in a Bible study, how do we get people when they go into their app to do something like, Oh, I'm going to give today because I was just, you know, I'm in here.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 16:40 I saw my paycheck dropped. I'm going to set my gift, or set a recurring gift for the first time, or something like that. Then they see, you know, maybe an announcement that came through because of a notification that pulls them into the app. Well, what if now, you're going in there and you're able to see all the different groups you're a part of and it functionally becomes your check in for the week, you know, between Sundays with your small group or your volunteer group. It becomes a source of quick, easy communication through our new group communication feature. We call it Subsplash messaging. And just continuing to iterate on that to make it something where you can do, you know, encouragement throughout the week, prayer throughout the week, Bible Bible reading plans and really commenting to one another, in that way. But the key is it's living underneath your banner, your own church's banner.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 17:33 Cause the other thing about the digital, as you probably know, Jeff, being an expert in the space with the advent of the digital era and, and just everything that's going on with that, we see a very high uptick in your, the capacity of people's attention to be focused for, you know, a sustained period of time. But if they're in the same place that is your under your banner, it's a different thing than being in a web browser on your churches website, but they can click a tab over and get to something else. You know, within the app, the only thing they're seeing is your, your content, your communication opportunities, chances to engage with you. And so, I don't know if necessarily know if that fully answered the question, but, messaging communication is a big component that we're working on.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 18:23 And the other thing that I'm really excited about, and I told you this a couple of months ago, but it really came from some conversations you and I had maybe two, three years ago, about, you know, how do we connect databases that churches are using and use that information to really present a more personalized experience to the end user. And so we're actually working with Southeast Christian, rural Kentucky and they are on. yeah, they're, they're basically working with us around their particular database base system and ours to be able to do things like as simple as, Hey, I'm the database administrator. I just found out from the group's pastor that this person needs this particular piece of information. I'm going to click, you know, send this notification, type it in, click send, and it's going to show up on the, Southeast, you know, mobile app on that particular person's device.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 19:20 Those are the kind of details that we've really been working on, with them. And there's more to come, but super exciting, super exciting thing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 19:30 That's really exciting. So giving is a major component obviously, of, of church mobile apps and, and there's a lot of traffic towards that. What value does that add, towards Subsplash clients? Like what, what are some things that you're doing in that space on the giving that can even maybe help engagement?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 19:48 Yeah. When we were talking earlier, Jeff, it's a good point about, what we're working on and a lot of it just comes down to working in parallel to make sure there's a lot of companies out there that might give you a, like a giving app but, and it's like go there to make the gift, but there's nothing really else engagement wise within it that would stir the heart because ultimately when you're making an ask for a tithe and an offering. Biblically, there's a lot that's said about that, but at the same time as a church and as a church leadership, every church has a different way of saying that. Well, when you couch that action of making a gift within every other piece of engagement that they could be doing with you, communicating with you, listening to you, watching you, seeing the events that are coming up and registering for them, reading the Bible, those things start to stir the heart, in a way that, really nothing else can. Are they engaged on mission with you? And so that's where that giving engagement piece really comes in. And so we've been doing a lot of work on, you know, just, just prompting people, allowing them, you know, educating churches to educate their people that Hey, giving online is a great thing, but there is a cost incurred because of how that whole merchant world works. And so, we've got this solution now that you can cover the fee for it for us so that we get the full extent of your gift. And so just things like that where it just fits in with the rest of what you're doing is engagement. And so as a result of that, we really do see just incredible, like two, two and a half, three times the average per person giving through Subsplash giving for churches because it's couched in all of their different engagement places and not just the separate action to be taken. That doesn't have anything to do with anything else you're doing at the church. So
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:47 Very, very cool. There was, I was watching a, I'll give him credit, although I think I had the idea before him, but he'll take it. But Bobby Grunwald from, you know, Life Church, the Innovations guy over there. I was just, I was, the other day I was, was stuck and I was outside of a government TSA office, which is weird cause that's not what you expect to hear on a podcast. But I'm waiting and the sign says we'll be back in 15 minutes at the door and the door's locked and it was 45 minutes and I'm still waiting for the person to come back from 15 minute break and so finally they do come back. But while I was waiting, I was watching, Bobby Grunwald was doing, a live stream and basically just he was talking about just stuff that hits the cutting room floor.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:28 It's like, man, I would love to have time to do this, but we never really explored it. But now, you know, now that X, Y, Z projects are done, we're starting to pick some of this up. And you know, the live stream audience is like, what, what are you thinking about cutting? What have you cut, what, what are you bringing back? Trying to, you know, get them to say something. And one of the, what he teased it with was there's lots of things that we were doing in the church online realm that would be extremely powerful in the physical realm. We just need to figure out how to do it. Yeah. And he, and he alluded to this one thing and I'm like, I have literally said it on this podcast, so I have it recorded on the record that I said it before he said it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:06 And it comes into this idea of I would love to see a church and even if this fits under mobile app, that's cool. I would love to see a church utilize chat in the physical space because we have this thing where we're like, okay, we need to, we multitasking in a virtual environment. You're capable of do more because you're staring at whatever. But I think when you're in that physical environment, you're in that second space anyway. And I think there's an opportunity to utilize that text, that chat as a second input in during a message, even specifically the key people engaged to funnel and secondary information to compliment what the speaker is saying on stage. And so like I've been suggesting to people figure out how to make WhatsApp work, figure out how to make whatever. But like if there's a chat option underneath, Subsplash and then the mobile apps, man, I would love to see churches start to explore with that instead of be like, Hey, turn the phone off and put it away. Your Bible apps already on there. Figure out how to engage with that. You want them doing social media posts in the middle. The trick is really to use that, that mobile app is the window to keep people engaged during that service time. Any thoughts on that?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 24:18 Absolutely. I think that's something that is so underutilized is just how are we bringing that technology into the live space as well. And it's something that the engineers, you know, on a, on that particular team in our company is really looking at is how can this thing be flexible enough that you could use it almost anywhere because people have their phones with them pretty much anywhere.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 24:47 And not only that, but what I love about your podcast and specific, Jeff, cause I've listened to so many is just we are entering an age where the old paradigm of what church is the model is shifting. And a lot of people are talking about the church, you know, churches closing their doors, more churches closing their doors and opening them in this day and age, right? And so, that's not a good thing on the, the life index of the church, right? When you think about it, that's a negative. Birth rates are not good in, for humans. Negative birth church rates are not good for the areas that they're occurring in. And so if we don't change the model, to fit, you know, where our culture is while retaining the core things, Gospel, you know, that's central, retaining the core message, that's what's most important.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 25:44 Beyond that, the model is something that, we start, we need to be, start being very creative and flexible with and so, that's awesome. Jeff, I'll give you credit ahead of time. I didn't know that, but you've got the proof. So whether it's you, Bobby or both.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:03 I'll take up the town toe to toe. That's okay. He'll probably pretty some email from like 1994 before there were even like mobile phone. I don't know. Ronald Reagan probably said that at some point in the 60s. So what will give Ronald Reagan credit for it all? That's awesome.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 26:23 Could I add to that too? Life church is such an awesome forward thinking church and not every church can be them, right? Most churches across the world, or a hundred people or less on a weekend, where Subsplash really is trying to come in is, we've an idea of, and it's a bold, hairy audacious goal, but the goal is to equip every church in some way in our lifetime with whatever tool of ours that will solve a problem for them. And the idea behind that too is just making sure that, what I loved at Life Church does is they make so much of their content and their innovation wide open. And so we, we love churches who do that and, you know, and not only that ministries as well and that's, I think a lot of the heart behind us. Yes, we're a company, not a church, but we strive to kind of be along that same line of, how can we equip churches of all sizes in this day and age for that shift?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:27 Yeah. Well here's the reality, and I've said this publicly before, is that we need companies to do the innovation of today. I truly believe this. I don't think as a general rule, yeah, Life Church is the exception. Cool. As a general rule, churches cannot be innovative. The bleeding edge tax that's involved in doing what we're doing, an individual church cannot do that. I can tell you I've tried multiple times and I have felt the pain point of going to that Financial Director and saying, I need another X number of thousands of dollars to keep the model going. And then the evil stare that comes back because like the organization today that the church is structured as cannot be innovative, they can't feel that bleeding edge. Well the cost that that's involved in that, the ability for organizations like Subsplash to, to step in, to provide some of that innovation and then spread that out across multiple churches, is, is awesome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 28:29 And we need more organizations to step up and be a part of it. One of the other churches that I think are very advanced in the mobile scope is, is this, this idea of a Churchome? Yes. And I don't think their with Subsplash. They've got their own, you know, in house development company and they're actually developing that to one day release it out. I think the others, and they're kind of going in there in their own direction. But one of the things that are really am, am intrigued that here is this idea of, of a centralized church model happening in the mobile app. You know, a lot of times with church, and we talk a lot about this in the podcast, it's, you know, the mobile app drives to a physical campus, a church online is the front door to the physical campus or is maybe a side door to somebody that's already engaged at the physical campus.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:21 But they really took, a church home and, and, and several others have, have taken a much more aggressive stance in, okay, we're going to create a digital door, digital ministry opportunity for us to engage with people who are nowhere near our church or maybe even to the point of like a Jate Earhart doing, Discord with Love Clan or are some of the others, it's a digital only, expression of the set that there is no physical. When you look at the mobile app, maybe just unpack here for a little bit like what doors opened up when you have that mobile app connection point with people when you're trying to create not a complimentary thing that feeds into a physical but maybe an only thing where it's a digital only expression of worship and anything any thoughts kind of on that?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 30:12 Yeah. You mentioned Churchome and I'm up in the Seattle area and they're in Kirkland right across Lake Washington. So no more than nine or 10 miles separate. And we have a lot of friends over there that we've had conversations with about, Hey, how's this strategy going? What have you guys learned in this transition? Because that was a bold step to take by them. And for me, I always kind of having been just had a soft spot for innovation and people who think different, to use the Apple phrase from back in the early, what was it? Late nineties, early two thousands but really just wanting to figure out what have you guys learned from there? Because I think thought partnership above all else is really important in the church today around how do we advance the kingdom in this new culture, in this new era?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 31:03 So all that to say is one of the things I think that they learned from conversation we have with them is that you, you went that direction and then you found out that even then people were gathering together physically and whether it was at homes or at a coffee shop or whatever. And so it became this digital turning into the physical. And I think that comes down to, there might be some generational differences where even if someone found out about church home through the app, they probably, if they're of a certain generational persuasion, they still feel more comfortable meeting face to face and together. And I think there's something to that cause it's the way the church grew up, right? Home churches, physical meetings, very small home churches and physical meetings. But nonetheless, but I think like you were talking about, Jate and Love Clan, you have people there in gamers who are not comfortable with the face to face, but discord is where they go for community.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 32:03 Well, we need to hit them there. So it's just so fascinating because I don't know if there's a one size fits all strategy, but I think if we're too afraid to take technological innovation risks, we may not come to those learnings that Jate or Churchome have found and be able to get to a place where in the next era, and I'm talking like five, 10, even 20 years down the road, we're not going to know what to do at that point if we don't have people out there on the front lines doing exactly what you're talking about. I'm mid millennials, so I'm 35 born in the mid eighties and so I do still remember a time in my elementary school classrooms where there wasn't a computer yet. And then, you know, third, fourth, fifth grade, they started showing up. And so I'm still bordering that generation where technology. I remember a time with the rotary phone, we'll just put it like that but I mean, my, my nephew who's 21, you know, he does not ever remember a time where a cell phone wasn't nearby, you know, within arms reach. So how are we going to reach people if we don't reach them where they are at this moment?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:25 You know, it's, it's interesting. And this is coming from a guy that used to edit audio with a razor blade. I literally learned in college how to do that. So, I'm past the millennial. Let's just say it that way. I'm 42. I was almost graduated from college before I bought my first cell phone, which is funny cause my daughter who's like 11 is like, daddy, everybody else has a cell phone or like dang it kid, I didn't, so you're not, I'm that Dad. She has an iPad but not a cell phone. So it's a thing. All right, so, but here's the thing, when it comes to Jate, like, and just getting into this, people have this concept and perception and innovation always has, has people that are pro and con it. And you know, with this podcast that we ran recently with Jate, you know, talked about this, honestly, like from, from a listener side. And I don't talk a lot about stats, but it was the second largest podcasts that we've launched to date.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 39:23 And so it's moving away from the church growth model and understanding there has to be something new and different. One of the churches that I'm working with, and this has nothing to do with mobile app, but everything to do with the future of the church. So, but what are the churches that I'm working with? Like it's long and hard conversations towards a discipleship, the cycle disciple-making evangelism, learning how to serve a community and engage in a community and move away from creating environments where we're staff and pastors are responsible for creating environments and instead moving the staff and the pastors too. I'm responsible for creating disciple makers and stop doing a checklist where consumers will come in and see a service and then go out for another two to three weeks before they come back again for another tent pole, a shot of adrenaline, spiritual adrenaline to get them through.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 40:20 And instead, Hey, let's a staff be responsible for training people in discipleship so that they're capable to go out there and train other people and witness to others and to create that disciple making movement that's not driven by the one hour on Sunday. Yeah, I won't drop a bunch of stats because we've been making fun of stats all days, but there's a ton of valid stats that Ronald Reagan from the 60s stats here towards, creating disciple-making movements and how that's how people today are looking for spiritual guidance. That's what they're looking for. Organizational evangelism is going away quickly. Yeah. The world does not care what we as a church think the world thinks, cares what people think. And it's our job to get our engagers, our listeners, our audience, our members, the Christians who are underneath us to become that new messenger out. Mobile app is so much a tool towards that.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 41:22 I was going to say that with that. what's one of the questions I often ask executive teams at churches is, do you know how many people are in your database? You know, whatever. Every church has some database of record tracking, you know, who's been there at least in the past at some point and maybe where they're from and do they have a family and you know, is the whole family there and all that. I say, how many people are actually in there? And, and then I follow up with how many people actually show up on a Sunday. and oftentimes those numbers are wildly different, much more people in the database, like five, six, seven, 10x as many people in a database as people actually show up on the weekend. I mean, part of that is like people move to different places, and out of the region or maybe they moved churches. You never know what happens. But the final question I ask is, how are you, how are you still communicating with that huge chunk of people that aren't showing up every Sunday?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 42:27 And this is the way to do it is. But, then I always say, you know, and, and it makes my managers a little bit uncomfortable here, but I always tell churches, don't do mobile apps if you're not going to do it well or right because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You have pretty much one shot at like developing that trust. It's really hard if you do it improperly or incorrectly, I should say. If it's not quality, if it doesn't match the user experience that they expect of like those top 50 apps, that they probably have at least five to 10 of them on their phone because we're, again, competing with billion and trillion dollar companies that have some of the best engineering years in the world. And so the question is, does your provider that you're working with on the mobile app or is the custom company that you're working with because you decided to go that route, do they have the infrastructure and support needed for it, you know, because you probably don't have fully fleshed out IT. Like let's say, Microsoft has or any, any company in the Forbes Fortune 500. Excuse me. But then more importantly, like what does the user experience and what do they feel if you're just putting in like, a web video or something like that in as your media solution, chances are people will just go to that outside media solution instead of your app because they can do other things there too. Do you really want your people on WhatsApp or Facebook messenger as like their primary communications point with your church? It's a question. They're free platforms. They, they have some good things about them. The question is, is like, do you want to send people to your platform or to another platform and do you want them spread out amongst five, six, 10 platforms, you know, for here's for doing payments and finance and giving.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 44:28 And here's like where you go from media, but actually you go to, or Vimeo for media, but you go to, you know, SoundCloud or Apple podcasts or Spotify. And so you're sending them to all these other places. If you can do it well with a really good user experience, you'll see that kind of, you know, three, four, five times as many app users. Cause people even who don't get there except every three weeks they'll still have the app and you'll still be able to get to them and they'll still be able to get to you in those two to three weeks that they missed. So I had a guy call me out on Facebook, Joe Radosevich, I'll drop the name because now he writes for The Church Digital. He called me out and I was like, be part of the solution, come onboard.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 45:08 But he called me out for this. He said, Jeff, I love the stuff that you're creating and you're doing. I'm a small town pastor and he said at as the church, he's at 55, 66, under a hundred and he says to me, not that numbers matter, but in context of where I'm going, 80% of churches in America are under 200. I think you alluded to that stat earlier and that may be a Ronald Reagan stat. I don't know, but I think it's legit. It's legit. And so the, I think the average sized church in America is 71, 63, that's under 100. Once again. So it's okay. And so here's my question for you. Talk to that sub 200 person church. How can they utilize a mobile app? You want to get a mobile app tool in every church in America, 80% are under 200. Why should they be using Subsplash? Why should they be using mobile app?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 46:05 Number of reasons. And I'll talk about the product in general and where it really starts to match that type of user experience. People expect if they go into, you know, any of these top apps, across all of our services. We have a high view of user experience design and we have a couple of people who've been in it pretty much since '08, '09. And so when you start putting those, that kind of expertise in there, but really it comes down to engagement. Like yes, the app, but what does your website look like? Do you have someone on staff who is proficient in, marketing in this day and age and getting just information out to the congregation? Let's not even talk about the rest of that small community.
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 47:46 And we actually partner with, with churches not only to provide a product but a service of a kind of a client success. It's actually what we call it, Client Success Manager, who we'll actually walk along and they've got, they've got a unique experience because, they work in technology or have had a technology or marketing role before, but they've also worked at a church or ministry. So, we have a mutual friend, you know, from one of the churches that you were at, who's now at Subsplash, and that's his role. He's been a worship pastor in Miami. He's been a worship pastor out here in the Seattle area and he's also worked in technology and marketing. And now he's helping churches, of all different sizes, you know, 200 person church, even up to larger churches, to not only give them a product, but really think about how are you guys doing church today and does it match the current era, the current culture?
  
    
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  Jon Crabtree: 48:48 Does it match what people expect? So, I'd say even beyond the product, the service that is provided, the consulting is a big piece. So make sure whoever you're working with that you've got good consulting on that end, especially if you're a smaller church, cause you probably don't have as many resources as the larger church to really get expertise in that way. On the product side, there's gotta be something that differentiates your product from, from a competitive non-church product, right? So I'll just start with meaty. Here's an example. the cool thing about YouTube for churches is the searchability and the fact that Google owns it. So your search engine score, if you do it right on your website, it's going to make you very visible to people who don't know about you. The question is, once they know you, do you want them going there and actually being in the YouTube environment because you start getting, they start getting things that they're not just going to YouTube for you. And so they're getting served up things by YouTube that are, you know, that aren't, that have nothing to do with you as a church. Now on the other end, if you want them to go deeper with you and they're already invested. What's cool about this Subsplash media delivery service is that if you're in the app, you can start on the video, but let's say you need to hop in the car, you just click switch to audio, pulls up right from where you left off, pop your headphones in or hit CarPlay and boom, you're off and running and still staying engaged and so those kinds of things that aren't really available anywhere else. If your church app doesn't have those, it probably won't be as compelling to, to use or utilize.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 50:34 With Joe, the guy who called me out with his small church, 50, 60 people. Like he's the only pastor. He's the only staff person. And and so he speaks technology, which is why I like him and I've got him on board with us doing blogging and some other things, but to The Church Digital, just continuing to kind of target that sub 200 church, but he's the only person on his staff. And so as vendors reaching out to be able to help and provide some of that wisdom for a small church, you definitely want to find somebody that speaks to that. And I can tell you with Subsplash, just in my own, my own personal experience with them over the years, they are phenomenal with this.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 51:14 As I was sitting here and I want to throw a couple more things at you. I actually was thinking of a situation that I'm in right now that I'm like, Hey, there are other churches that are struggling with this and I don't know that you provide this, but this would be a great idea that would help churches down the road. What we're looking at here, with one of the churches that I'm with is this idea of a discipleship pathway. The whole like the process that it takes to become a member or to, you know, learn about the church to get connected into groups. A purpose driven church. They call it 101, 201 301, 401, like all that mess. We're in the process of trying to redo that with the church that I attend, Christ Journey, here in Miami. And with that, what we're trying to do is flip the classroom so that we're not watching or listening to some guy lecture for an hour in the thing, but instead were watching them, you know, on a mobile app or something online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 52:15 We're taking an assessment test, which is fed in, and then we're coming in into the classroom not to listen to a lecture, but more to ask questions to model, to demo kind of what we've learned. And so to make it much more interactive instead of just sit and listen, I would think there's probably a way that you could piece that together with Subsplash. But I would love to see something where that was more structured, with the assessments with, video consumption, even inner activity, asking questions through the mobile app. So I'm just sending people to the Christ Journey mobile app in that they're taking the process instead of this hodgepodge different thing that's all over the place. That to me would be a big win, within the app thing. So just a thought.
  
    
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  New Speaker: 53:31 Hey John, thanks for jumping on the podcast here and glad to have you on, where can people find you or to get connected with Subsplash? What's a good next step for them? Yeah, you can find me, at jon@subsplash.com. So you can always email me your thoughts on this. You know, this episode even, I'm happy to chat with you and subsplash.com is our website and we're also on all the different, places as @subsplash. So, you know, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, you name it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Episode 46 of The Church Digital Podcast. Jeff here, once again, and I gotta tell you, I'm excited about this podcast. I do say that a lot. I think I say that about every episode. I'm excited, I'm happy, I'm something, but this is a really cool episode where we dig into mobile apps and whether or not it's effective and worthwhile and churches and for the conversation I'm bringing in Matt Welty who is Technology Pastor. Is that, not like the coolest title ever? Technology Pastor for Crossroads Church, a large multisite church in Cincinnati, Ohio, now Kentucky area and they're doing some great things not only within the church, not only with their church online but with their mobile app. And arguably some of the best things that I've heard in a church mobile app towards creating community that I've ever heard of is going to come up in this conversation.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:52 So right off the bat we're going to put the link to the show notes to the mobile app. You guys should take some time. Download the mobile app we'll include the iOS, the Google, all that. So grab that, download the app, look through it while you're listening to this podcast because this is an incredible app. They have some incredible functionality in here that's really moving beyond just the reach component, but developing engagement towards creating community, which is far more effective in the mobile scope. And we're going to have tons of conversations through this love where we're going here. We've got Rey Dearmas, once again, Cohost, Online Pastor with Christ Fellowship Miami in the conversation, Matt Welty, Tech Pastor, Pastor of Technology for Crossroads Church up in Cincinnati and myself, Jeff with The Church Digital in a conversation that I'm calling community via mobile app. Hey everybody, here you go. This is new. I'm not seeing these on you, Rey, what was the story?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 01:52 Okay, so like, I had lost my headphones, a while back I had the Bose earphones and stuff and they were great. I still got my cuffs, but these were like my regular drivers on the regular. And so I was like, well, maybe it's time for a change. Let's take a look at. My brother-in-law got the AirPods pro. So I was like, well, let me ask him if I could borrow them because everybody I knew who had them was talking about the noise canceling was talking about how much, you know, they enjoyed it and transparency mode and a whole bunch of stuff. So I was like, well, let me ask Thomas if I could borrow them for a weekend, try online stuff and see if they work out well for me because 250 bucks, something, I mean, to me it's a ton of money to invest in a set of headphones.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 02:33 There's a lot to splurge. But I had a bunch of like Christmas money and stuff that I was like, all right, well if I wanted to I could. So, I tried them out and one day, within one day I was convinced because I'm there at a Starbucks and I'm doing church online, people are coming up to me from the campus to talk to me. I turn on transparency mode in a full pack Starbucks and I'm able to have a full fledged conversation with them, with the things in the ear and it was just next level technology. I was like, this is probably the most innovative. And Jeff and I always talk about this all the time because we have a love hate relationship with Apple in terms of their lack of innovation lately. But this right here is probably the most innovative thing they've come out with since the phone. I'm going to go ahead and say that.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 03:37 I've got version ones. Yes. So I've got version ones, I splurged for my wife and got her the wireless charging ones. And then the pros came out. And similarly though, Rey, everyone who has them has said they're worth it. And I've, this is the most I've ever spent on headphones in my life, so I, I'm not a music guy or an audio file where I had all this stuff before. But even hearing more stuff like what you just said, because man, this is how we work now.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:07 Yeah. I'm at the point now where I just firmly believe that they slap early adopters, you know what I'm saying? Like they come out with new products and if you're an early adopter, you know, you may as well just kind of hang around because you know, the best version of it is literally like a year away. Right? Hate to say it like that. But that's how I felt about the watch. You know, I bought Apple watch, I bought version two, I bought gen two and it was just so bad, you know, like I was like, this has none of the LTE capability and it wasn't even offered then. I was like, this is, it's so dependent on the phone itself that it didn't feel like it improved my life. It just made it worse. It just, all it did was bring more notifications in my life, which I also had a pebble, which if you know, if you're a fan of wearables, then you already knew about the pebble, which it was just a color version of that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 08:09 Did you ever watch see that, that, that show See arguably the worst television I've ever seen in my life. And I'm a radio TV film major that actually produced television like in college and I'm used to like the college projects. Like it w I, I'm watching this, I'm like, this is the worst writing, directing, acting top to bottom, starring. your Aqua man, whatever that guy's name is Mamoa and Alfred Woodward. Like there's this really rich cast and I'm like, they have no idea what they're doing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:36 With with all this being said, the day that Apple releases the AR, augmented reality glasses, every innovative crack I've ever said, I will be the bleeding edge tax guy buying that and I will be completely happy. It's going to cost you $1,000 I'll probably write the check. I'll find a way. I'm like, I am 100% in all of that. My family does not make, but you don't wear glasses. No. You don't understand what's happening here. Yes. I will wear glasses for that. Yeah. I'm good. Go Apple. Come on man. Bring it home. I forget to call it. Forget all this, this side crap. Like bring me the AR goggles. Google glass was ahead of its time. You know, right. Ride that way and do it right this time. Awesome. That was an incredible side track before he gets started. Really to that man, just tell us a little bit about yourself, who you are, Crossroads, the ministry of what you guys are doing. Give us the heart kind of of who you are.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 10:38 Yeah, a little background. So we, I'm honored to be on here and just am among probably the hundreds and thousands of people are just co-learners along the way cause we're, I think we're all standing on the edge or feel like we're standing on the edge of something and figuring it out together. So excited that any of the small experiments or successes or failures and crossroads could be used and abused by other people is a really exciting thought to us. I've been at crossroads for eight years. Crossroads has been around since 1996 though. We are, we're based in Cincinnati, Ohio, so we're right in the heart of the Midwest. And, Brian Tome, Senior Pastor, he's guy from Pittsburgh. He has been founding pastors, still senior pastor. Really for us, the heartbeat of leading us as a long time kind of pioneering, adventurous church. So, you know, back at the very beginning, the descriptions of, you know, we want to do church for people who have given up on church but not on God.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 11:40 We want to go after, seekers who, you know, are open to the idea of God but don't know the language of church, don't know the rules of church and really remove every barrier. In a way of someone hearing about Jesus and the language they understand. So, you know, early on in the 90s that that was great music for a coffee, casual and fire. You could bring the coffee into the auditorium. You know, those things are really common now. In Cincinnati in the 90s that was revolutionary, that was on the edge. And, you know, the same way with, you know, Brian's sermons, you know, you would come in and you wouldn't feel, you are learning about the Bible. You were hearing the gospel, but you weren't doing a Bible study. You were learning about how God applies to your nine to five, you know, and so that too at the time just seemed edgy and different from what people were experiencing.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 12:33 And I think it created room for people to invite their friends. So we've grown. We're a multisite church. We, we're an online church. We've taken on a lot of different forms of church. We have 14 different campuses now, physical locations in Ohio and Kentucky. We just recently, a few weeks ago launched in Columbus, Ohio. So that was sort of, our last sort of city push. We have three campuses down in Lexington, Kentucky. We merged with a church that was also called Crossroads down there a few years ago. The name, that aspect of the merge was very easy as a result of, other parts of it were really challenging. Yeah, the church was still called crossroads. So, and we in the last, you know, four or five years have really tried to step into what does it look like to be culturally current in a digital way. So that for sure includes the native app that we've developed and it's taken many forms online church, community building, starting to merge out on the edges. What does movement look like? What does church plant, how does church planning meet home church, meet watch party, you know, so we're, and we're trying to learn from as many people as possible, but that's good. Yeah, that's a bit of crossroads.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 14:18 We'd love and at different points in our history have partnered with almost all of those players. They're doing incredible things. When we decided to develop our own mobile app we wanted to have a unique purpose driven by the mission administrative crossroads. So you know, it's what is the compelling reason to be natively on someone's phone? And, and not just the gives us permission to win in that space, but most apps on people's phones, they'll get open. So what, what is inside of our that uniquely is worthwhile for someone to open a couple of days a week, you know, which is a lot in the mobile app space. And so for us it had to have a very particular utility and a lot of the more templated app services do a great job of making your weekend content, your group content. There's, it's a content management system wrapped up in a native app and it does that exceptionally well. That same content for us is available on mobile web and we do a great job of making it awesome on mobile. So we needed a reason beyond that, a real utility and to create that, and I can explain what that is for us, but to create that we had to go, we had to go it on our own.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 16:26 Yeah. Well, our starting point was for the mobile app to be an engagement platform. So it wasn't meant for reach it while you could share it with someone, and that could be a way to introduce someone to crossroads to Jesus. For us it was an engagement platform. So for people who are already at crossroads, we zeroed in on this phrase of how do we help someone create a habit of connecting to God and other people. So we, many of us who've grown up in churches or had people disciple us, we have maybe a rhythm of a quiet time or morning scripture and prayer. We've learned that and sometimes so long ago that we forget how that was a habit that was established in us. And most people in our churches today, they're not reading their Bible. They don't know some of what, some of us professional staff, Christians, we sort of can take for advantage. And so we went let's create an app that is as habit forming as some of the things that happened in social media.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 17:30 And it is as helpful as some of the things happening in the fitness world and is as user centered as some of those same industries. And let's do that around Bible reading, prayer, reflection and so are the core action inside of our app is just that. So you can read a new chapter of the Bible with the entire church together each day. You can journal on it publicly or privately. One of the key draws of that is that Brian Tome reads that same chapter as you get invited into his living room at 6:00 AM in the morning if you will, as he spends time with God. He's going to journal and his journal is public. And so you get to scan this chapter of scripture. Imagine that you've never done this in the Bible before. You scan this chapter of scripture, you read the senior pastors reflection and prayer based on that.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 18:17 And suddenly the bar gets lowered for what spending time with God looks like you. You realize like, Oh, that's what he know this. You go back up to the chapter of scripture and you, you're getting reps at doing this kind of thing and you get, we have, Oh gosh, 30, 40, 50 or so many experiences we call them. Some of them are gratitude or prayer or thankfulness or worship. We're giving people these small reps in these spiritual disciplines and then allowing them to pray for each other and either anonymously or very directly. And so together, those three things, we alternate them. We build variety and streaks, all kinds of things to very intentionally help that become habit forming cause we, that's what we want. we do have the weekend in there. There's group materials in another section. There's, there is content in the app that's helpful to users, but the core action is really about connecting them with God and other people.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:13 That's really good. And it's something unique. I'm looking at the app right now on my device and first of all, the user interface. It's very simple. So I applaud you guys for that because one of the hardest things I think to do is to keep the menus and some of the different things happening simple, especially for somebody who's coming in fresh but it seems very outsider friendly, which I think is awesome from a church perspective because somebody coming in new to your church or even, Hey, I like my mom or my friends sent me this app and told me to download it on my phone. If the first thing I'm seeing is a bunch of information or a bunch of stuff about why I should go to your church and probably automatically rejecting it. So talk through some of the strategy in that.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 19:51 Oh man. Well, so we, is it encouraging to hear that it's, it seems easy, easy to use if I showed you, I mean, we've come a long way. We've been at this for four or five years. And so we've, we've been learning along the way just functionally in our church for, you know, we've, we feel this way about the weekend. You know, it's, it's not our phrase, but the, you know, you don't, you can belong before you believe you're fully welcome here and can engage before you fully grasp onto what it means to follow Jesus and figure all this stuff out and apply it to your life. Thankfully, or I would have been excluded. So we want the app to function in the same way. We do realize that just most people don't have the reps and the track record of following God this way.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 20:32 And so it's gotta, it's gotta be a layup. It can't be too simple. It act because it has to, meaning it has to believably, I have to believe that it's going to meaningfully help me. So if I open up my Nike club fitness app or my Fitbit app or what, it has to be simple enough that I can grasp it and not so hard that I immediately believe that I'm probably, I'm probably not disciplined enough to do this. And so we want to help people build momentum and we think there's a funnel. I mean, when you, even old school church had one, you know, you get invited by your friend that you'd probably get invited by your friend again and again and again, eventually come. And then you might get in a group and you growth and giving and all those kinds of things.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 21:13 Well, the, all the things we're doing on digital now, I've just expanded that and, changed it from being a straight line. If it ever was, went to a really squiggly line. But in the app, I don't, I don't need you to sign up for the 10 things right away. I need you to have one great moment with God that leads to the next one that becomes more transformative. And we, early on, we would use the phrase, you know, if you don't, if you don't count, if you don't count it, you can't grow it. So in old school church metrics obviously, and they're still critically important because there's such a big part of the movement, you know, butts in seats and you know, giving and groups, those are key metrics and they are still, I think, really good indicators of the health of the church, but they're incomplete, they're becoming more incomplete.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 21:57 There's other ones to have in there. And so when we started down the digital route, it's really uncomfortable, but you start talking about minutes of engagement or session lengths and they're usually shorter than an hour church service and or daily active users or monthly active users. And so, retention rates, all these things are foreign to us, but as we get to know them, we would just always say, if you don't count it, you can't grow it. So if I don't count your very minimal first experience as being valuable to you, and I can't grow it into more deeper engagement. And so even if you just open the app and you just read scripture and close the app and your quiet time, so to speak, was a minute and a half long today, I want to count it so that I can partner with you to grow it and that's what we try to do inside the app and make it repetitive in that way.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:44 You know, there's a lot of questions right now because there was like the app craze, right? Like Apple releases in the app store, Google play could becomes a thing. And then every church has the capability of getting an app and getting on your phone. Now I kinda hear the pendulum swinging in the other direction. One of my biggest concerns always is creating separate databases. How have you guys made sure that both the app and your church database have played in the same ballpark?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 23:13 Oh, man. I mean, so we get to get a little technical. Well it's challenging. So we, that becomes a challenge because most churches, us included, want to build and move fast. And so when you do that to deliver value to people, like it's just, it's not immaturity, it's just we want to have as most impact as quickly as possible. So your database is usually diverged instead of coming together. So, we have done a little bit of that over the years. We are actually just starting as a church where, there's a thing called master data management. So we've just found ourselves, like many churches, we've got our, what happens in the app, what happens in our church database. We use HubSpot for marketing communications. We've got, you know, there's maybe three or five other places where data can both be created and stored.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 24:01 And so there's a complex process to figure out where the source of truth is and how to keep that data really clean. We were learning how to do that. We have mostly kept the data from the app and the church management system up to this point as separate. And part of the why behind that is it's been two different types of data. So because we've limited what happens inside of the native app, that's mostly what's called click stream. Or behavior data, the activity that someone is doing, but it's not collecting a whole lot of like form responses or demographic data, things that would typically be stored in a church management system signing up to serve, joining a group. And so we've been able to live with the separation but we have along the way whenever we want, we can sync that data up because users have unique identifiers and we've set ourselves up so we're not too far behind when the time comes, but we're actually about to switch over shared authentication so that both systems are sharing the same authentication that'll help us connect the data in the background.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 25:07 We're going to get lots of value out of that. So really, and the point is not so much to make that easy on us though. That's great cause we can use church resources really efficiently. It's so we can know you as a person no matter where you show up and the church and honor you.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:23 Yeah. So I want to follow a rabbit trail. I don't want to go too deep here. What are you specifically using HubSpot for? I love HubSpot and I'm trying, I've, I hear occasionally churches using it. And so I'm just curious practicalities. What's HubSpot look like?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 25:38 Yeah, HubSpot is, are predominantly, it's our email to him. So all of our church email communication goes through HubSpot. Okay. So that includes, you know, think marketing emails, but also just here's your, here's your quarterly statement. All of that flows through HubSpot. It is, you used a little bit for lead generation as well. So subscribe to the weekly digest, the content digest, fill out this form to download a resource or something. And so then we can put you on, a drip campaign for lack of a better description. And so we've used it for that. We just recently did the 90 day tithe challenge test. Lots of this is, lots of churches have done this and it's, it's really, we just did this as a church and so we used, HubSpot was a key part of after someone signs up in the 90 day tithe test, they were in an email campaign that helps engage them with resources and encouragement. And so it's, it's a tool that helps us stay engaged with people for sure. it talks great with other systems too. So we use a system called Intercom for our, we would call community care. So if you go to our website and you want to chat, you want to pray, you want to know something about crossroads or how to get connected. But people using that system using Intercom that flows with HubSpot, like the whole goal being how can we know and care for you better? And these are, these are systems that they take time to set up, but they help you do that. Especially at scale in churches. Time to do this when I can't see everybody.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:07 Yeah. And so that, that Intercom, that's Intercom.io, It's the thing that's the literal like help thing down at the bottom of the website. Bottom right. I love that. Like I'm, I'm, I'm curious towards this, what is this cell, not mobile app, but this is just such a good conversation with like do who responds on Intercom.io? Is it your, your staff? Is it front desk? Like what's the interaction point?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 27:33 Yeah, so some folks that used to be on what would have been called the front desk team are now on the community care team. And so staff respond and some volunteers. So we have some, some trained, vetted volunteers. And it's really when you think about online church or distributed church when you can, when you can train and trust volunteers, no matter where they are, what time of day it is, it's an incredible serving opportunity where they're meaningfully, they're needed and known and they're there. They're doing some incredible work. So it is staff and volunteers. But then sometimes the great thing about the systems is will we can help someone best through a bot so we can predict. I mean, so we set these up every week here. T. Wade who runs this team is brilliant and so the announcements that happened on the weekend are built into that chat modular on web.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 28:22 And so when someone starts a chat, we can assume that a lot of those people are coming with questions about baptisms cause we just talked about it on Sunday. So instead of having to make someone engage with someone where some people love to do, but a lot of people don't. We meet them right there with the, do you have a question about baptism? Oh yeah, I do. And so we're very quickly getting people to the information they need through those. I mean, you say it's different than mobile and it is, but it's all one user experience is all right. You can't silo them for the people who we're trying to serve because we, we're one crossroads to them. So there's an expectation for all of this to kind of work seamlessly together to the person in the seat.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:04 So let's dig into that because it all, it is all one experience, but you want to, what you want to, I assume what you want to try to do is separate it. And so some platforms have some responsibilities, some platforms have the others, and, and yes, you want them to try to align towards the common goal and campaigns. There's overlap towards that. But in context of, of website and context of mobile app, and even in social media, as you're looking at some of the digital communication pieces, there's different components and different parts towards that. How do you separate like, what's, what's a mobile app functionality versus you know, mobile web or website in general? Like how does that kind of intermix and play together?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 29:46 Yeah, I don't, I think there's more than one right answer to this question, but for us, I think about it is every platform or tool has to have a primary purpose and then it can have secondary benefits. So the primary purpose of the app is to help someone create a habit of connecting with God. The secondary benefits are they can also catch the weekend and they can read an article and they can follow some people like there are many secondary benefits on the, on the web, the mobile web, which is how most people are experiencing the website. I guess that's why I qualify it to mobile web. It's great for setting things up. So I personally think about signing up to serve, especially for the first time registering for camp, volunteering. There's all kinds of giving event. And if I'm setting those things up, web is great at guiding people through those experiences.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 30:36 And managing myself in a sense happens really nicely in the web. Well many of the secondary benefits overlap between platforms. For me, you then start to look at what, what can uniquely happen in one platform better or worse than another. And so for sure in a native app, you can create way more tightly controlled, immersive experiences and on the web, it is a coded box where you control everything that happens in it. On the web. You're dealing with lots of moving standards. Depending on the browser, someone's in the phone, they're on the font package, they have whatever it might be. So you have to be really flexible and resilient on the web and the app. I can build an exceptionally tight morning, quiet time with God experience that includes a song and then form completion around thing, thankfulness and walk someone through the Lord's prayer and teach them how to pray in an immersive way.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 31:40 But on the web you compromise, you can do it there on a percent, but you have to make some compromises in the experience of it. It's not different from why many of us now build our auditoriums in large black boxes. They're not, they're not standard church sanctuaries anymore that are static and hard to change. We want control over the whole experience. When we switched to the next weekend series, people walk in and the entire thing might look different. Where there's that moment in service that you want the music and the lights and the teaching and the whole thing to come together that I sort of equate that to there's something similar that you can do in a native app, but you can't do it just for fun. You have to have a very expressed purpose for it. Just like in a weekend service, you gotta be doing something on purpose to move someone forward. And if you do then then those platforms work really well for it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:32 Yeah. So having that level of, of control probably in that immersive experience, that takes resourcing, that takes content, that takes buy in from leadership. I mean you, you just, some of the things you mentioned, having articles that there would be included in that. Was I understanding that your pastor literally journals in the app daily and it makes it public. So people like, so you have a lot of buy in towards this. What, what does that, what does that, how'd you get there? I can give you names of people who have been down this road and not have that success. So, dude, what's the secret?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 33:12 Oh man. Brian Tome. I mean, so our senior pastor Brian, like we're just an aggressive church. Like the, it's in his DNA and he's reproduced it in us. And so whatever it looks like to introduce people to Jesus in a language they understand. What it looked like 20 years ago was one thing, what it looks like today is you're in their pocket and you're with them in the moments where they want to engage with you. And he's incredibly permissioning. So even before he got it and understood it, I think this is how he would explain it to you. He was very trusting to a group of us to go, okay, there's, there's something here. There's a way that we can get in front of people and not just talk at them, but actually engage them. And so it for sure took time.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 34:01 But over time, as the even app reviews, the app reviews read more like testimonials just to how like you can, you can ready the horse for battle and the victory belongs to the Lord. You can build that mobile app, but you can't make it change anybody's life. And so there's a God factor here, thank goodness, where he comes in and he uses it and the exact moments that people need it. But we started seeing life change and we started seeing deeper engagement. And so that gets buy in and it takes time. And it often feels like two steps forward, one step back for all of us because you're in, you're up on the edge like we talked about, and you're not always sure if what you're doing is the right thing to do. It especially because so many of us have just been so steeped in a particular way of engaging in church, in growing spiritually, that trying some of these new things can feel like, wait, is this healthy for people?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 34:59 Is this nutritious for people? Is this good for them? I grew up so totally differently. How would we do this? And so it takes trial and error, but he does, he's in there every morning. And it's also though what an incredible opportunity. If you could, if you could help disciple thousands of people at once. I had a guy who brought me in to his morning routine, show me how he read the Bible, I got to do it with him for awhile. Brian can't do that with 10,000 people, but now he can. And so there's the modeling that can happen that, that we want to lead to real relationship too. But you're, you're, you're leveling people into that experience to go like, I feel like I belong at this church. I'm given a level of access and transparency to the senior pastor guy.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 35:47 Like what he does on the weekend, I'm getting his morning routine. These people I haven't even met yet are praying for me. I get to pray for them. I've already contributed to the community maybe before I've ever joined a group or identifiable study or given a dollar so I. People can belong and increasingly because we count it, we can grow it and we can, we can walk with them and guide them towards deeper levels of engagement in a church. Then that look like now I'm attending on the weekend and a group. I started to tithe, although all of those kinds of things. But it begins, we just recognize now it's not church specific. It's everywhere in our culture. It begins in these very small micro moments where people are, they're testing, they're trusting you. They're gonna trust you. Is this going to work for me? I tried things like this before. Is this one different enough that I believe it might actually help me?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:39 Tell me about the content creation side on that. Is your senior pastor legitimately is Brian like every day writing into the CMS and it's direct out to the people? Is there like I see it like a week ahead and then it's like, Hey, we're going back and I'm not trying to, you know, duck behind and, and like reveal the wizard behind the curtain or anything like that. It's just it's really powerful. It's really powerful to see that somebody would share this much of their own personal relationship with the Lord, with their congregation. And you know, honestly, even if we were like, cause there's the, I'm not even perfectionist, but there's the part of me that's like, man, I'd rather be a week ahead so I could review it, you know, take a look at like the grammar structure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's that part of me. But then there's the other part of me of, Oh man, but this is vulnerable and transparent and authentic and powerful. So yeah.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 37:28 Mmm. I love that question. The so Brian, so it's, if we play this out, Brian is a user in the app like everyone else. So I had that same ability to make my journal public and every community pastor and every community member has that. And so Brian's not going into a CMS. Brian's going into the app the same way someone what you guys, you just downloaded it this today. You could go do a public journal reflection. Now we have set it up so that Brian in particular, and then our community pastors, if they journal publicly, they'll always sort to the top because these are the shepherds and leaders of our community. And so we want people to catch the event first. It's entirely unscripted and it's in the morning. So Brian was just on a bike trip. He was out West and he couldn't do it.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 38:16 He didn't have cell service. No problem. He's gone for a week, which is also awesome because it's him authentically doing it. It's not a content stream. It's the guy doing spending his time with God. and I think that's what makes it real. And it's, it's not like a quote that comes across Twitter. It's actually him participating what I think is powerfully in the same exact way that you would, so you can actually, you can, you can model it, which is great. It means though that the grammar is bad and words are spelled wrong. And what is great about that is, is it him. Like it's right for the, it's right for the platform. Like you, you know, so we w w he has an editor for his books, but this isn't a book. This is, you know, him spending time with God.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 39:07 Some communications director somewhere is freaking out, I'm sure.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 39:10 His name is Ben Stapley and he's pulling the rip cord on the airplane right now.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 39:16 This is where you are like, okay, so you get some of this buy-in. Go download crossroads anywhere. Read it, screenshot. Hear Brian's journals. Cause I think it is, it's a powerful example. Oh, the leader not being in a black box, not being inaccessible. And we desperately need that. Hey, when you say, if you could just rewind in your minds what it was like when you first met Jesus and we're trying to figure this stuff out. You need someone who's able to just pull the curtain back. So often in our, just the way the system is kind of stacked against us in terms of communities and people who are trying to leave lots of people. There's so much expectation for Polish and there's so little room for mistake.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 40:01 And I think we get into the spot where we start performing more than we start giving access and really helping people grow. It's good. The app again is this, it's not private by any means, but it allows that kind of intimacy, which is great. One of the coolest things that I've ever heard in context of a church mobile app you guys are doing. And then it was, it was this context of close the loop thing where you were talking about the, how you guys handled prayer requests. Can you, can you just detail for the podcasts, like how prayer requests work in context of the app there at crossroads? Again, probably the best experience would be to jump in and try it. But what we did, and it's happened in stages, we created a way for people to share anonymous prayer requests and then anyone, well actually stage one was we created a digital payslips.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 40:52 There's what we call it, Brian is talks about payslips a long time ago. It's good posted note of people you're praying for that you put by your toothpaste mirror. So when you brush your teeth, you're praying for people, which is great. It's an easy way to daily pray for the things you want to see God move in. So we just took that same concept and we said, let's give people the ability to create a prayer list based list inside the app. The next phase was let's let people send those prayer requests out to the community. They can do that anonymously. And we started to have people pray for each other and when you would, when your prayer was prayed for, you would get a push notification that said someone just prayed for your prayer request, which is this incredibly simple on the surface but incredibly meaningful moment, to suddenly realize that you have access to thousands of people who could pray for your thing.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 41:49 And even if you don't know them, it's a connective experience that can lead to belonging and real relationship. So then we, we just up to the game from there and there. So then you were able to share it publicly with your name and face and you know, your profile picture. We added the ability to friend and follow people. So I have prayer requests that are sent directly to people in my guy's group. They're private, the things I'm asking for God, but I send them directly to those people. I have prayer requests that I shared the whole community because I want as many people as possible to pray for these things and sometimes I have prayer requests, they're anonymous, they're not connected to my name or face, but I want to take the risk of praying for those things perhaps. And those same push notifications were happening and we were seeing more and more people pray, but the moment that we started hockey stick growth is an exaggeration, but we saw a jump in a number of people engaging in prayer was when Jeff, we close the loop. That was just the name we gave to it. We created another push notification. So now I have the ability to Mark a prayer request as being answered. When I do that, every person who has ever prayed for that prayer request, whether it was a day ago or a year ago, gets a push notification in that moment saying a prayer you prayed for has been marked as answered, closing that loop skyrocketed prayer requests. And so there's a 115,000 or so prayers prayed each month now inside the app.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 43:16 Wow. Wait, wait, wait, wait 115,000. How big is Crossroads?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 43:22 Right now we're probably at 24,000 people physically inside of our buildings and other 7,000 online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 43:30 Yeah. So let's assume all of them on average three prayer requests per, that's still, it is substantial. And I know it's not everybody, but that's awesome.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 43:39 It's not everybody it, it, but that even knowing that it's not everybody, because it's true, not everyone's active in the app. It means that for the people who are active in the app, prayer is one of the most used, most connected, and one of the most, the biggest reasons people come back in and continue to engage. It's, you then start to hear stories of people getting that notification. You, you feel like God used you. And you know, that's true when you pray. And it's crazy to think that we would ever need validation from a push notification on your phone. But it is incredibly powerful to do that. And, we get funds, I mean, incredible stories. God stories of I, you know, I send my prayer requests. I'm sitting in the office of the doctors waiting for the diagnosis and I start getting push notifications saying my prayers being prayed for and my prayers being prayed for.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 44:29 People are with you even though you might be an entirely different state or place. It is. We've found one of the main reasons when people download the app, if they start doing prayer, they stay in the app and we're, we're using really God is at work and you can see how we're mirroring all of the same reasons other apps bring people back in. It's not for, it's not just for content cause I can go back in the app whenever I want to see the content. The content will always be there. I go back in the app because my friend Jeff just sent a prayer request or because Rey's prayer request is marked as answered. Do I want to go back in and pray for more prayer requests? You bet I do. Let's hold on. I'm going to jump back in. So it's, it's users, people creating value for each other, not just the church pushing content out to people and people come back for people. That's what I mean. That's why the church is the community and to have that happening inside of a digital platform, even in this very infant stage that it's in, is really promising for how the church can continue to live in, to this technology future in a way that doesn't sacrifice but might actually enhance and make more accessible. So many of the great parts of being in the church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 46:03 Yeah, there's definitely, I mean, we used the term high tech, high touch. The more technology that we use, the more that we need to respond with a tangible, personal non-automated response. This idea of the notifications can, within prayer, quest driving, continue to driving, Hey, our prayers matter and they're being effective whether it's, you know, one to two weeks or a year or whatever down the road. That's phenomenal. One of the things that I love. Seriously, I think that's the coolest thing I've ever heard in context of a church mobile app because it does continue that, that engagement in an area where we don't, you know, we can pray for a prayer requests a year ago and not and forget about it. It's almost like out of sight, out of mind. and to know that there's a conclusion to that story, to close the loop on it. It's just phenomenal.
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 46:58 Well, I just think as a community pastor of one of our sites where there's thousands of people, like to your point with the best of intentions, someone comes up to me with a prayer request. I would, I'm not a community pastor, but if I put myself in that spot, I'm going to pray for him right now moment. Cause if I don't, I'm going to forget. And even having done that, which is exceptionally caring, meaningful, I'm likely to forget about that a week later or a month later, what, what the app allows us to do is do that high tech high touch. I can grab that prayer request and put it on my payslips. I can even ask that guy, can I put this in here and then send it out anonymously? Can we get some other people praying for you? Now as I get those push notifications, the next time I see that person in the atrium, I get to walk up to them and my memory is jog. I haven't done, I haven't spent all the calories trying to keep it top of mind. The app has brought it back and allowed me to very meaningful and thoughtfully care for somebody in the moment and that's what we want. But technology should reduce the friction to the people on people. The real connective part of part of the church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 48:03 But what's really interesting in this is you actually told the story in context of going all the way back to your toothpaste lists and how there is a process of growth. So somewhere out there, someone in the audience right now is thanking, cause this would totally be me if I was on church staff. I want this, this feature in my app as soon as possible. So I'm going to go now walk into my leadership and say, Hey, we want a scratch XYZ templated app. Instead we're going to do this thing completely in house. We're going to hire developers and you know, let's get this in place by Easter because you know, you have to have it in place by Easter. Yeah. I mean obviously you might as well wait till next Easter and there's like 52 weeks in between. Then there's cause. And then honestly like that, that's who I am. And there's a reason why I don't work on church staffs anymore. It's related to that. So, but here's, here's, here's my thing, how long was it from the toothpaste list to today? So when that rolled out, like what's the span of time? Because an idea grows, it's, it's not like curled?
  
    
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  Matt Welty: 49:12 Oh well it has to, if we tried to build what we have today, the first time we would have built it wrong, we wouldn't have, we would have solved the wrong problem. So we taking it in steps also greatly minimizes the risk of solving the wrong problem or not doing anything, a user wants anyway. So starting with the pace list validated that people wanted to pray and there was friction in the process of remembering to pray for people, giving people the ability to send an anonymous prayer request validated the fact that people would, would do that. And so we built on that. So my team's going to listen to this and probably correct me. It was probably at least two years, and in part because that wasn't the only thing we were working on, but also intentionally because if you get ahead of your skis and spend money before you've really learned, let what the user needs you're likely to spend a lot of money unnecessarily. It would be unwise to go try to build this before Easter.
  
    
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                    You are a small church pastor, minister, staff member, or volunteer. You want to make a difference. You want your communication to move people. You want your invites to result in guests.
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                    You likely ask questions such as, “How do I use what I have to make a difference in our community? How do I use online tools to reach people? Do I need a new camera, microphone, or software to do online ministry?” It is tempting to think that a new piece of gear, or a new method, or a new program will make the difference.
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                    I want to show you a framework that you can use in a small church with a lot of tools or just a few. This works incredibly well in online ministry. I'm a small church pastor too. I clean toilets and take out the trash. And our church uses this framework to communicate in ways that make a difference online and offline.
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                    Churches tend to think of communications, invites, and marketing from the perspective of the church’s goal, rather than from the guest, attender, or member’s needs, wants, and goals. This is especially true in smaller churches where staff and volunteers do multiple jobs and often have little training for things like communications and marketing.
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                    Think of the difference between “Do you want to go to a marriage conference? Please sign up!” and “You want a great marriage. But maybe you’re hitting a rough patch. We’ve been through our own rough spots and believe every marriage is worth the work! Join us for our upcoming marriage conference.” One is focused on the event and the desire of the church (sign up). The other puts the couple and their desires and fears at the front (“You want…”).
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                    Learning to make this shift will help you reach your online audience, as well as, offline. Any tool you use becomes more relevant and useful. Your communications will make a difference when you reach out with something that is in some way relevant to a need that the user already feels.
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                    Let me show you a way that we used this framework for a recent series. A typical church invite says, “We’re doing an exciting new series that you should join us for. Please come.” We wanted to flip that around and speak to a felt need that most people have as the reason they would want to join us.
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                    We created a landing page at belgiumchurch.com/final, did video ads, and sent flyers to every home in our village pointing people to this message.
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                    Notice that the messaging is focused on not coming to church or engaging with us. The focus is on our community and their wants, needs, and fears. We did not start with a felt need. The series was a core value series for us. That was set. It was the communication of that series that started with a felt need. The communication method and messaging changed, not the message itself.
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                    For our second Fall series, we went through the book of Titus. Instead of speaking to ourselves and how we will get more Bible knowledge (which is valuable), we spoke to the situation we all find ourselves in:
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                    It occurred to me the other day that churches, for the most part, don't have steeples anymore. Well, some do. Ironically, the church where my family and I currently attend and serve does have a steeple. It's an older historical church building in the heart of Coral Gables, FL. Actually, it's this particular steeple that has me thinking.
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                    I jest, of course. Concrete attached to a physical building has no spiritual prowess. But understand, Church, that most of us live our ministry life this way. In 2020, the steeple has just about lost its cultural relevance. Our buildings are close behind. Tens of millions of people gather each week in hundreds of thousands brick and mortar locations to worship God, gathering in man-made physical strong towers weekly (well, kinda weekly), where us, righteous, can find refuge and safety.
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                    In some ways I think our steeples and buildings, our concrete and bricks, are a substitute for what God can do through us, His disciples. While our construction supplies have no power, the Holy Spirit gives us the power that we need to accomplish far more than we realize. For centuries church steeples have been a beacon for the righteous to come. This is a poor substitute for the power of God moving in and thru us. Our towns and cities should not be looking to the sky for our Church steeple. They should be looking to us Christians, us Disciples, us Disciple-makers.
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:00 Episode 45 here of The Church Digital Podcast. If nothing else, I'm transparent, open and honest because when I give bad advice to people, I at least admitted on public record so that everyone, everyone can hear it. So here's where we are. We're bringing in two people into this conversation here. Evan Conley, who is IT Director/becoming online pastor there at Lighthouse Church, as well as, Joey Santos from Christ Church. Now here's where we are. Both of these guys are doing some unique innovative things involving video in worship at micro locations and even multisite locations. And so about a year ago, Evan Conley asked my advice on something and it was the first time I'd met him and I gave him advice and my advice was horribly wrong. And thankfully Evan and his church didn't listen to me and instead did what they wanted to do anyway and then God did something phenomenal with it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:58 So there's fun stories, some awesome conversations, centering around video worship, video teaching, and also a level of innovation here in the core of really what church online needs to be about. So check out this podcast, here you go. Yeah. So like I owe Evan an apology, which is weird to kind of open up with. But like, so I, a year ago, first time I met, or maybe it was 15 months ago, I was talking with him, he's, you know, asking my advice on some things with church online, whatever and he says to me, he says, yeah, we're, we're even, we're doing like looking into like launch some of our micro site basically as you know, a smaller campus, smaller multisite campus with, with video worship and just in the moment being non-innovative, non-creative, whatever, I'm like, I don't think I said this, but in my mind I was like, that's the stupidest idea I've ever heard in my life.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:02:40 And I felt like a total, you know, jerk for telling him that's the stupidest idea when it works. All of a sudden I catch up with, with Joey and hear from him like you're doing church in a bar with video. And I'm like, wait. So this whole thing of video worship is working and I just, I want to have that conversation. I want to unpack a little bit here cause we've got two different churches not connected in any way, who are do being effective in creating micro locations, small locations, multisite locations, maybe in context of a video. And so I wanted to hear some stories. What does it look like? How's it been husband receptive, kind of what are you, what are you learning and experiencing by doing, you know, the musical form of worship via video. Evan, why don't you kick us off?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:03:27 Yeah. So it's funny you mentioned the tech issues because that is something we experienced very early on as we were still figuring out our system. So one of the things for us that seems to help is the fact that we have a Saturday service as well as our broadcast campus. So what we do is we actually have that get uploaded to a cloud storage server and we download that in the morning. Okay. So that way we have a physical copy of a backup sermon. We have worship and all that. And I think it was our second weekend. We actually had to go over to that backup and there was a little bit, you know, where things would be referenced to this evening and that kind of thing. But if we hadn't had that, you know, second week into the campus, I don't know what that would have done as far as momentum and the feel of that campus. So having a backup system, has been really huge. But as long as we've been able to get the signal there, everything's been great. We didn't know what to expect and I remember that conversation we had, so that was in my head going into this too.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:07:26 It's really to be a place of community. People go to the bar to do what? Drink and talk. So we went into church and the bar should be a place where you go learn the Bible and talk. So that's, that's pretty much what we did and it's going pretty well. It goes up and down, but we see people come in and I was there last Sunday. Because I usually host online every Sunday, but I have a second host now. And so I had a chance to actually worship at the bar Sunday and I met this young man, who came to me and said, Hey, I see you on the TV all the time, but I'm glad you're here. We can meet any person. And you said, I've been coming for six weeks now and I made a commitment to never step a foot in the church ever again because my experience, but coming to the bar has been really good for me and you know, it was a single father bring his daughter with him to the bar and the worship together at 10:30 on Sundays. So has been pretty good. We, I mean, let's be to be very strategic, one of the things I do, we now add two worship singers to the schedule at the bar. They know they don't stand up front and lead, they stand up with everybody else and they just leave the word their voices. So instead of just like they stand up, they're going to be louder than anybody else. So, but they're on the schedule on planning center with the entire worship team. The only difference is that that Sunday they're going to serve at the bar. Okay. And that's in, that also helps that to develop their relationships. So the bottom line for us is the bar is a place for relationships. That's why we created that. And we're hoping that, do you know, the combination between that and the online experience kind of brings that together.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:13:00 The same strategy there is the strategy. The bar is the same strategy for any house campus. This, they can probably never step foot in a physical church as we know ever again. And we were okay with that. See and our model of online church, you've my next door neighbor that lives right by the church, engages with us online and truly engages, he's on the Bible studies, he gives. He participates. He never walks into our building work. Hey with that, because that's his community. And we want to make sure to give him all the spiritual nutrition that he needs online. And we give him community the way that that fits him best. you're okay with that. So our hope is that the church of the bar is going to grow and that's going to be a community, a place of community. And we're looking into possibility of the right now and actually like a cigar bar, where guys can get together, have Bible studies during the week and do you know what, here's the deal, it's the cheapest satellite campus growth we can put together because I don't have to pay for anything.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:16:01 We'd love to have even, and even specifically asking like, can you guys plant a campus over here? Like, we love what you're doing and we want to have this over here. But that was a challenge for us because we had never planted a campus that far away and it was going to separate us, as far as, resources and the personnel that we send down. would that kind of commute, we couldn't support it in the same way that we support our campuses, which are closer to our central broadcast campus. And so we didn't think it started quite like it has meeting in a high school. Originally we were thinking maybe a fire hall or a library even. We thought we'd have, you know, if we needed to, we could have two or three locations of maybe 20 to 30 people spread around the Western, the Eastern shore, which is a pretty large area.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:16:49 But, as we're going through and starting to scout out different locations, we held an interest meeting and we had, I want to say a 100-120 people sign up to attend an interest meeting for this location. And so at that point we realized it was going to be a little bigger than we thought. And so we went from looking for a fire hall or a library or that kind of thing to a larger venue, more similar to what we're used to. But unlike our normal game plan, we can't rotate our worship team into this location in the same way that we could. So we had to decide like, could we still do video worship even with a location that resembles a lot more of any one of our ever locations. And we decided to give it a shot because really it was the only way we could facilitate what we felt like we were being called to do. And wow. Location over there.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:17:43 Your Centerville campus has, how many people attending? At one point you told me it's over like a hundred. I think, where are you at now?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:17:50 So we're averaging around 150. We've peaked around 200, but the average time to be around 150 people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:17:56 And it's at the location it's going to grow into or is or you use the plan to move somewhere else?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:18:02 The plan for now is to stay where we're at. So we're at a high school, which has a pretty good sized auditorium. I think we could scale to around 500 hundred people for service. And so there's definitely room for growth. It's a nice convenient location. it's easily accessible and yeah, it's been working really well for us. Plenty of room to grow. So for now the plan is to stay there.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:18:26 So you guys, you'd literally have 150 people. Is that two services of 75 or is that one of them?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:18:32 150 right now.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:18:33 One service of 150 people sitting in a room being led musically and worship by watching a video screen?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:18:42 Right. So the only time that someone's on stage is we have our host spot at the end of service where our campus pastor will come out and greet the audience and tell them what's going on specifically with their location, that kind of thing. But just about everything they're seeing is happening on that projector screen.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:18:57 Wow. I just, you know, and I, we see it in church online. You see it with watching the individual, like a person watching and I can totally see that. I've even like been in the house churches where it's 18 to 25 people worshiping with the TV. You know, and it just, I've even, I just mentally struggle. I'm like, wow, there's 150 people. Like the video technology scales out that large. That's awesome. Has there been any, like, has there been any negative feedback? Has there been any like people asking questions? What did your lead pastor say when somebody's like pitched that idea to them? I bet you that was a fun conversation.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:19:37 You know what? he was all in on it. I'm trying to remember, you know, there are a few of us involved in the initial conversations, but, I can't remember who necessarily pitched it first, but he didn't have any pushback on that at all. Like he was all in for that. He's all about trying new things and trying to break away from the traditional ways of doing things and so on. Now our executive pastor who's more operational focused and how is this actually going to work, he had more concerns on that. But yeah, our lead pastor was all for it. yeah, it's been great and I think, you know, being there for the first month or so, it was when they launched it, it just occurred to me, you know, I'd sit in service and we'd go out and see all the community happening in the foyer after. It's not about what happens on the stage. You know, you can have that community regardless of whether you're watching a stream service or whether you have live performers on the stage and, you can argue like, is there a better worship experience? Just like any of our worship element, you know, if you have better lights or if you're adding Hey is or this or that, like maybe you can create a better environment worship, but you can absolutely do church, in my opinion, to a very good, not a quality with a stream service. It's the community that's happening. That's the church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:21:01 It's really just interesting to see how maybe some of our internal biasness away from, you know, it's an extension of, I can't do video teaching. I have to have a live pastor in the room. You know, that next step is I really can't do video worship. I have to have, have a live band. Well, maybe do you really? And it was, was funny we had on, just a couple of weeks ago, we had on a, maybe a couple of months ago, we had, Jim Tomberlin, who's a multisite solutions. He's one of the, one of the founders of the pioneers of the multisite movement. And so we were actually talking a lot with him about this idea of video teaching and even like what it looked like from him back in like the nineties when he was at Willow Creek trying to pioneer where he would literally put a VHS tape on a bus Saturday night and a Greyhound bus and it would be delivered to the other bus stop.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:21:58 And somebody from the other campus would pick up that VHS tape. That's how they delivered video teaching weekend and week out VHS tape on a Greyhound bus. And a lot of the kickback that he had back then, and it was a great quote, he's, he said, I'm not everybody bought into it. and even with what you guys are doing, I don't think everybody's going to buy into it, but enough people bought into it to make it worthwhile, to make it effective. And when we look at, and that's really been kind of the, the mantra for me for church online and micro locations and, and what you guys are doing, where not everybody's going to buy into this. And I'm done with the days of thinking that I've got to convince everybody that church online never works. It's your, you're not going to get there, but you got to convince enough people to make it worthwhile and show that it's going to impact enough people to make it worth the effort.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:22:51 And I think, honest to God, in my experience, that's not hard to show. You're not gonna get everybody. and there are theological questions and things like that. At least they have perception is there's theological questions but at the end of the day, like, this is a really awesome thing that you guys are doing. Hey, so Evan, tell me this, like what with your strategy. Do you have other kind of micro venues that are going to grow up using this video? Or is this kind of a one time thing? How has that conversation gone with your, with your church, your staff now seeing the success of what's happening at Centerville?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:23:32 Yeah, sure. So we're starting to think more and more about what that's gonna look like. We are definitely thinking about multi-site, probably starting at a smaller scale than this one did. We just happen to have that big base of people who are watching online or making the commute here. So we're exploring the idea of maybe finding someone who wants to host something in their own house or a local venue and just giving them a few resources to help facilitate something of their own. That's not something we're currently doing yet, but we're working through that. and reading a little bit about what Saddleback does. Jay Kranda has a lot of information on what they're doing and their approach is incredible. Just the scale that they're able to pull that kind of thing off. It's just amazing. So it's our first one and, we've learned a lot from it.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:24:21 We're probably gonna try to do a similar thing, but on a smaller scale, this one is rapidly becoming, it's own campus. I mean it's already, it's been designated a campus. So it started as a watch party, which would be our terminology for a micro site. And then I want to say it was like eight or 10 weeks. we decided, you know, we've got over a hundred people who are meeting here. This is a campus. So it went from the Eastern shore watch party to LH Centerville in that short of a time. We don't think though that's going to be the normal process. So we're still working through like how do you support a group of 20 people or 30 people or that kind of thing. We did just find out maybe a month ago just in the comments on our online feed. We had someone who was watching online over the summer.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:25:10 She had a friend who just kept inviting her. So she's like, you know what, I'm going to watch this. She started watching over the summer and then just about a month ago, she works in a nursing home. And she, again, sharing the service with our residents. And so we're seeing pretty much every week now she checks in that she's got the service on for her residents. And so that wasn't anything we planned or anything that's official, but we've got in a way a multisite, a micro site location right there. So we're, as we're seeing that kind of thing happened where like, you know, I mean if people are even starting this on their own, even with Eastern shore, we heard about, and this didn't come up until our interest meeting that we found out about it, but people in this area had gathered in a home and watched service together, during a snow storm that we didn't even know happened.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:25:59 Maybe 20 or so. People just on their own organically formed, you know, micro-site location. So we're seeing that it's happening even if we don't do anything about it. And we're trying to think through how do we support that? How do we do that in a way that's organized? Where do you draw the line of support? Because you can't give the same resources to a microsite that you would give to a 200 person campus I kind of thing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:26:24 And hopefully the support not as needed because the resources, the model is much simpler.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 00:26:31 Totally. What we're really looking at is making it, kind of equivalent to how we would see a small group. So you know, our small groups, you've got some content and you work through with her, that's a sermon study or number book or some kind of thing and you're just really there to host people in your house and so we're trying to see like as much as possible can we just pull the same model that we use for small groups and kind of make that our micro site. That's awesome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:26:55 Hey Joey, how's, how's the model kind of grown from you, from you? Like you've got, you've got five America, you've got a couple of international, is it ex-pats kinda of down in that, or, I would love to just kind of maybe hear how the idea of micro grew out of online to gathering, clustering to kind of where you are now.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:27:14 Yeah. So we, we started with, you know, pushing for engagement and telling people, do you know, you've got to be in community. So if you're watching at your house and you decide, this is my church, we always say, Hey, does become a house campus, and invite people in and have communities. So we, we'd kinda like extract the kind of idea from Acts chapter two of, where you break bread together, you worship together and you go out and serve your community and really started from that idea. So the vibe, we have a seasonal online Bobby studies right now. So we, we had the fall Bible studies and all house camps is usually they join those Bible studies. They, they, they either like do on their own or some of them just decide to join or people online so they have a bigger community.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:28:11 But either way, the discipleship is a big factor into this. We really pushed for the discipleship piece. But I think for us the expansion of that is really see it grow, from what it is, we really don't have this big master plan of. Okay. When you become a house campus, you have to reach this goal here so we can transition to the next phase. No, if, if the house is going to always have the 15 people meeting there, but they're growing spiritually, they're growing as a community, they're serving the community. We wanted them to keep moving. We want to keep them moving forward in that direction. So we don't have this kind of master plan. One thing that we kind of feel yet, because everybody that has been baptized through the online church, they end up coming here.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:29:09 I mean, even from Canada, they want to fly all the way here. So they feel like the, at least they'd been to the physical campus once and that's one thing I think is interesting about the online church is that because the current model, they feel really attached to the physical campus. Do you know what I mean? So, one of the things that would be looking at is, in you and I kind of chat a little bit about that before is should the motto of the church really kind of change? And I know this might be for another conversation, but the way I see it, the future of the online church may not be Mrs. Sarah Lee just streaming of your Sunday service, because that attachment to the physical campus can, can kind of like stop the online church from real growth because people feel too attached to the physical campus that they could not be, they cannot be in.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:30:14 So I'm start to looking into that right now. I like, I start to have some conversations about, you know, even in, even at the church in the bar, should we modify the model so people are not attached to the physical cameras, they cannot be in, but we produce the content that actually drive the house campuses to create their own environments and that fits them where they are because culturally, every place is going to be different. That's, that's one of the challenges that I see for the online church is people can be watching Ghana, Africa, but there's some things that gonna is about Ghana, Africa and I cannot, I cannot fulfill that those aspects of, with the online church. So how I make the regional responsibles is, I just met a, another pastor from Pakistan a couple of weeks ago. He was here in the U S and we had a great conversation and he's telling me about the ways to reach out to their community and he's thinking about going to the TV and all that.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:31:16 And I'm thinking, why don't you go online? And the thing that hit me was like, well, why don't we give you the support for you to start the online church right there in Pakistan, not from here, but you, right there where you are and you can reach out to the entire country. Yeah. And he never looked at it that way. No, we can scream yours. I said, you know what is not the same. Yeah. But if you are on, on camera, you have the same infrastructure that I have you, but there is you and you're part of that culture. So that, that's what I'm saying, like I'm, my brain starts to really start to go through in different places right now where, what's next for the online church? Because I like Evan's model what he's doing because he really fits a need that they have there and they grow from it and you see the results of it and you, and you just like, you experienced that it's made for it to meet their needs, and like every online church is not made the same as that created the same.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:32:22 Right. It's not the same format. Do you want to feed everybody? So I think for us Jeff, is that is, it's, is looking ahead and see culturally how can we diversify? How can you make the online campus something that is really effective irrelevant content to people's lives. Bring Jesus to people who don't know him yet, and at the same time, at the same time, allow people to build relevant, meaningful relationships through it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:32:54 The church, there's a perception that the church online today struggles to meet the perception of what today's church is. So there is a lot of money that goes into creating the soundstages to allow you guys produce the video that you do, the lighting, the cameras, the encoding gear. There's a lot of expense that that's, that's involved in that. There's a lot of technicality. It takes a lot to create the environment for the pastor to speak his message and to do all these things. And so it's, it's like, yeah, church online struggles to do that. Not to mention that the way that, both our worship and both our teaching are presented and broadcast, it's very easy to create a consumeristic identity, which is what we, the church don't want. We don't want to create consumers.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:33:49 We want to create disciple makers who are capable of creating other disciples. But honestly what's interesting at the end of that is, is we, it's not just the church online that has that issue, right? It's the church overall has that issue in many of the things that, that church online is faulted with and saying that, Hey, you're responsible for this. So we don't want to do church online because we don't want lazy people sitting on couches. Cool. Let's not do church online. You'll have lazy people sitting on pews. At the end of the day, you're still, it's that still model, just being there, being reproduced. It's my podcast. I can say that. So yeah, just, just saying, but what in fact, what church online is capable of. Yeah. It may struggle with what the perception of what USA churches today but I think it thrives when you look at the biblical model of what church is. Much of the things that we perceive as a biblical standard of church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:34:46 I'm reading the Bible and it's not in there. Like when you look at the man standing on stage for 40 minutes preaching, there's value to that. And I don't want to discredit many of the pastors who are out there who, are as their job are the spiritual leaders of these organizations. But lead pastor is not a biblical position. The orators that stand on stage actually came more in closer to 300 or 400 AD and in fact, at the time culturally it was, they were the celebrities. Like it was like the TV star who was on stage because they had so much value in the order capacity in those speakers. And so a lot of the things that it's like, yeah, church online struggles with that. Okay, well that's not really the core of what biblical is. And you know, Joey, some of the conversations that we've had is maybe it's a whole other thing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:35:42 Yeah. And I just, I, I think there's a whole other model of church that is waiting to be revealed and once again, I don't want to disparage the model that's here, the church growth model and the big building, because I think it's done a lot of good. And it's reached people in a big way and it will continue and it will continue to do so. But I think there's another way. I think there's another model. it was interesting just, just today I had a doctoral student at a, at a seminary called, to do a zoom thing with me, hit me up to the website. And honest to God, the conversation was, so I Googled how to plant a church digitally and, and you came up. So can you talk to me about what planting churches digitally looks like?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:36:34 And I spent an hour educating, like challenging the way his paradigm of how he views. And it was funny along the way. He too was like, yeah, that's, that's completely, that's not biblical. That's not the way that it isn't, but it's the standard that we've been so used to over the years. And you guys just to bring it even home. Even you guys just challenging a paradigm of I'm going to do church in a bar, I'm going to do church in a building and we're not even going to bring a band in. We're just going to watch this via video. My gosh, if, if that type of model worked and as we continue to see the success stories of how God's using these things, could you imagine the opportunities we have to expand the gospel and to literally put it in the communities that are reaching people that would not set foot in the church building? It's, I mean, there's a phenomenal opportunity here. Honestly, if we would just get over ourselves a little bit and realize that God's bigger and it's more capable than I think we sometimes give them credit as.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:37:42 Okay, so can I run the risk to look sound like a real, real jerk for some churches here?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:37:49 Yeah, sure. I'll, I'll cut this if I need it.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:37:51 I agree with that. So I had a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday. He is a, he's a big producer and, he, he's, I mean he produced some big guys in, and he called me because they say, Hey, I want to get your take on Kanye West and what's going on? Because he actually might be involved with some of the production that will involve Kanye and so he's like, before I jump into these, I want to hear from you. What do you think? And we talk about it, because Connie is doing these worship thing at his house and because of my involvement in the online church, he wants my opinion. And I said, you know what? It sometimes feels that, I don't want to offend anybody, but just hang in there for a second sometimes feels that the church today is more like a real estate business than what church arena supposed to be. We'd build this big infrastructures, these big buildings. And now the fight is we've got to get enough people we and have enough activities, enough stuff going on so people can see the value and give them money so we can pay the bills. Okay. And that's really, that's just a real estate business. So we've got to build more, right? So let's build another building because the business is growing, and I know this is a very black and white way of looking at it, but that'd be, that becomes the priority.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:39:20 Yeah. Well, and not to mention, sorry to cut you off, but there's a ticking time bomb, right? Because we keep buying more property. We keep building these buildings, and at this point we're tax exempt too when it comes to property tax. Guess what? That's not gonna be that way forever.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:39:39 That's what happened in North of Indianapolis. So the County came in and said, we're done giving licenses to churches because they want a revenue. So what happened? Now the churches are trying to buy all their churches still to grow their multi-sites. So they're looking at churches, they're like falling apart. So they came by to preserve because they are grandfathered in so they can actually preserve that taxes. Again, I'm not taking away the value of the physical church at all. I think the value is there has to be there, exist is real. They, they add value to the community. But I think the priorities shift a little bit and again that you just read the book. If you read the book, culture trumps strategy. You just get to a point where culture is doing there right now, culture is done. The church the way we do church is not building value in my life and I need to find that someplace else in the place where they find that as the internet. And that's why they're fighting. So I don't need you to go to my church to hear the messages from my pastor every Sunday because I can actually find that message in the internet somewhere. The same thing or probably better and I have more options. So I think that the sense of value has changed for the culture. So we got to look at ourselves in the church and ask the question, what is the value of someone walking into my building?
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:41:10 And the same thing for us doing online. What is the value of someone tuning in online in and participant in a church service? That's the question keeps coming back to me. And that's why I've been questioning the model we were doing it just by streaming our services. That's a really, like, it's good for us to ask those questions and try to discover, do you know the answer's like what is it? What is the action to drive people in and why should they come in? That's it. Like why people should come to my church, because sometimes feels like the back doors are wide open and the front door is just this little thing that nobody can get in. And I think a lot of churches in America today are going through this. I think that they're asking that question. There's less people in that on the chairs.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:41:57 We don't know how to manage this. We don't know what you're doing. Guess what? We still have to pay the mortgage now. Do you know what I mean? And now, now it shifts the purpose of the church. Let's get people in so we can't keep up with the mortgage. I mean that's just a reality of it. I mean, if we can sit in the room with no microphones and cameras and have this conversations, I think a lot of passengers say, man, I'm going through this right now. Yeah, well let's have the conversations.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:42:25 Joey and I, we were hanging out in Colorado. We would, so we met each other, I don't know, maybe a couple months ago. And Joe, I didn't tell you the story, but after I left you guys, I hung around for a couple of days for some other meetings and I was, I was driving around in an Uber somewhere. I don't even know where I was somewhere. Denver area. There's a big gig at church over here on the left. And I'm talking to the Uber driver and I just make some comment. Wow, that church is huge. This is a, it must've been like a 4,000 person venue. This is a giant church and I was like, man, that's that churches is beautiful.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:43:00 What church is that?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:44:56 I tell you what Joey, like I would be more interested in hearing about you reaching bar number two. Okay. And finding that niche. Yeah. We're going to be like the bar church. Yeah. And just I remember what's his name? Oh my gosh. Mark Batterson out at, is actually out in your world. Evan was at NCC, National Community Church. Yeah. Like back a decade ago. Like he was, he was the movie, he was the movie pastor, the movie church pastor. Like I think he actually had that .com I think that it was, was blogging something like that. Something. Yeah, but because it's like, okay, so we're going to create our content, we're going to reach people in this and that. And that was his stick. Well, you know, he's bought coffee houses and things have moved on past then. But yeah. So once you find out how to reach people in the bar, man, knock on every bar in town and just try to replicate this model.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:45:54 Well, it see the results were start seeing if out right now is the impact of the church is having on the staff of the bar.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:46:09 And the owners, you start to point it out. So while they, they, for example, the bar doesn't open until noon on Sunday, but he said they start seeing the staff coming in early on Sunday now and they start moving around. But they listen, the TVs are all on the service. So they started listening to it. Well recently, they discovered that one, one person that worked in the bar for a long time, just discovered he has cancer. And, so I, you know, the bars close to her house, we go there a lot. They have food trucks and it's a great place to hang out. it's by the river. Beautiful location. So I'm there on Sunday night. She meets some friends and I saw the guy and listen the bar's packed, we're in the middle of the patio. And I stopped him and I say, Hey, I just heard of what happened to you. How can I pray for you?
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:47:09 And he just told me, I didn't ask him if he was Christian. I didn't ask anything. He knows me. He's, no, I'm the online pastor who runs the church at the bar. And so he turns to me and said, man, I, if you can pray for peace. And I mean, he told the things and I just lay hands and we prayed for him right in the middle of the bar. Where people are like drinking and having conversations all around. Wow. We just pray right there and when I was done praying, he got tears in his eyes and he's just like, so we're, we're just doing this like church thing at the bar and we're being getting known in the area by, you know, we have, so it was kind of funny because it was no weird for the people who are out to see us praying for him right there in the middle of the bar. And the staff, it was a big thing for the staff to see that happening. So we been asking about lately too, like, Hey, are you, would be employees are leaving, would you guys come and pray for them before? Like things like that. Wow. What'd you guys come before they leave? This is their last day. I show up. They're having this thing. Oh, let's stop. Let's pray for them.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:48:28 Exactly, exactly. So it is a pretty kind of fun to watch that kind of development because you something that for the model we have today, this people need to make a decision to step into your church building to receive that. Okay and that's not the case anymore. That we are there. We're going to pray for you. And it's no longer like would you be okay if I pray for you? And then we don't ask the questions like, how can I pray for you? Okay. We kind of skip that step and because this who I am, you know what I mean? I'm a Christian, I'm a, I'm a child of God and I'm going to pray for you regardless if you like it or not. I'm going to pray for him. So I'm not going to ask you if we want to meet your pray for you. I just want to say how can I pray for you?
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:49:20 Exactly. And, and they like, it's kinda hard to write for somebody to just say, Oh no, no, I don't want to get you pray for me. If people are usually did not go on to say that they have the freedom to say it, but usually they won't say that. So I think that that's, that's the one of the impacts for me it's like if we did all this to get this entire bar staff in a direction, in a path of becoming disciples of Christ, that's enough. That's sufficient for me, for us to do all this but I think God has a lot of, a lot in store for us there.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:50:33 And they literally, he was like, dude, do whatever you want. And they go to that bar, to the church of the bar, the owners now. So that's where they attend, here's what happened this last Sunday. They broadcast on their Facebook page. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:52:22 It didn't shut down. It became a permanent campus. But anyway, they had this like excess gear sitting around and and, and somebody came up with the idea, Hey, what would it look like if we actually like just drove around to different neighborhoods and did church just, you know, different neighborhoods every week. Nobody in the country is doing pop-up church. Everybody talks about it. These people are all are doing it utilizing for the most part gear. They already had upgrading it and yet Christ Fellowship West Palm Beach, very over the top production value. But what they've developed as a result of that is in 20 2020 next year, they're going to launch four campuses. They are on scheduled to launch four campuses in one year because they are curating and cultivating and maturing this audience, this city, this community with the gospel right now. So like they're going so fast, they're having to tell church some of these areas, Hey, we're going to have to stop because we can't keep up, but we're going to come back and we're going to finish the job. Here's, here's what we're doing. Here's how we can make it work.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:53:24 See what I like about this is. Look at what Evan is doing. Look what we're doing here, and look at West Palm Beach Gardens. You can see that there is people looking out for the change the innovation to get the word out. That's what I like about this because there is, there's this word that you know, for a long time has been like a bad word in church, innovation. And we finally, we're finally getting to a point there's enough guy that enough people getting involved, they're innovators, they're being innovators for God. Yep. And the thing was about time for the church just said that tone.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:54:26 Well, man, I just thank you so much for the opportunity to hang out here. I mean, kind of missing you from that meeting Colorado and we spent some time together. It was kind of funny how we reconnect their Facebook and all of a sudden we're in Colorado for where that meeting him out of nowhere. but thank you so much. I really pray that God continues to use people like you, Evan, all the churches that are like just jumping into innovation and be open to what God's doing to what God wants us to do. To not be just locked down into what has been but what could be and is not afraid to take risks. Sometimes you just, we've got to be okay just to say, Hey, you're not work out, but do you know what, we're not going to see it around.
  
    
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  Joey Santos: 00:55:18 But thinking what could have been a, we're going to just go ahead and try it out. So I'm saying we, if I tell people if I want to write a book, I'm going to write a book about the things that I tried that did not work out. There's a really thick book, because that's the things that we usually don't talk about, right? The things that we try and, you know, work out or people don't know. People look at even like people who might be listening to this podcast and man, you've got it right to this church at the bar. You did everything right now you have no idea how many things we try and you know, work with change and we modify, we adjust and we move on. So that's the things. I think it'd be great for people to kind of continue to explore, continue to pursue but let God take the lead.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:56:02 There's so much good. Like, and I love having these conversations and meeting with guys like you, I was doing an online Bible study. I do an online Bible study with online pastors, some online pastors, and I'm one of them. One of them canceled out and long story short, he's like, yeah, I'm getting pulled into a budget conversation and you know, vision casting and pray me and it's going to be an ugly conversation. and, and I've been there. I understand. I've sat in that seat. I know anybody who deals with online ministry has had those conversations cause leadership often doesn't see the vision, doesn't understand the purpose, doesn't align necessarily or loosely with what the church overall is doing. And so there's lots of questions and that and so on. Joey, you alluded to a lot of it just there knowing that you're not alone and, and that's, that's the one thing, just that, that when I was that guy, when I was in that seat, when I was the only person out of a large mega church that thought the way that I did, I had nothing but alone in me.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:57:59 From, from an outsider perspective, I can totally see it. And in conversations I have with others, they see it too. And so where we go in 2020 and how we continue to press forward, man, it's you people out there listening to this podcast that are gonna, gonna swing that pendulum. You've got more power, than you organizationally realize. It's just how to get the people, the church, the leadership to hear you. So man, thanks. Thanks for that Joey. Evan, that was a long landing. The plane there, Evan, land landing the plane. Any thoughts, man? Anything as we wrap up?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:59:55 Yeah. And we're on my side. We're ramping up 2020 is going to be a great year, man. This has been an incredible podcast. Once again, I just want to thank you guys for taking the time to jump on this. We're going to do stuff again. Evan, I've loved and engaging with you and, and Joey, we're going to have to find some topics and some more time. I want to, I mean, there's several layers of stuff we've yet to unravel that are still needing some attention but we're going to break for now. For Evan, for Joey, my name is Jeff. Thanks everybody for being here and we'll see you next time here at The Church Digital Podcast. You all have a good day.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, Episode 44 with The Church Digital Podcast. And I got to tell you, I am looking forward to this episode. I love this guy we're bringing back in Jate Earhart. You may remember him way back from Episode 13 here with The Church Digital Podcast. He leads a video game ministry and discipleship ministry. He disciples, video gamers, millennial, generation Z, he disciples, these guys towards leading others to Christ into evangelism and discipleship. He's creating disciple makers using an online platform called Discord, which is a video game. He's leading a video game, discipleship ministry. How crazy is that? And he's been very effective and he's doing some really interesting things. But I tell you the thing that to me, the thing that just happened that I heard he was doing and I was like, I really got unpacked this. He's actually in the process through his church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:54 He does a lot of church planting. He's in the process of being part of a cohort for church planners. He's looking at turning his Love Clan, his online ministry, not into just the discipleship ministry, but into a fully functioning church. And if you've listened to the last podcast and what you'll hear in this podcast is Jate is overly concerned, overly maybe not the right word, but he's very concerned when it comes to the ecclesiology of what a church is and the standard that he is holding into place for his potentially future digital church and how he is exploring and holding himself and the others around him to the standard, to allow for this Love Clan, this online ministry to one day become a fully functioning digital church. And that's a crazy, that's an exciting thing. I love this conversation and I love where Jate's heart and his passion is. So here you go. I'm bringing in Jate Earhart into the conversation. Of course, Jate's with Love Clan and myself, Jeff with The Church Digital in a conversation that I'm calling Planting a Digital Church. Hey everybody. Here you go. Did you just roll out of bed?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 02:26 I, you know, I just got, it's quest, right? Yeah. Oculus Quest. I got that for Christmas. It's, yeah. Yeah. Like I'm really enjoying kind of getting to get exposed to a little bit of this. I'll tell you this story. I was, I was alone in my house. my family had gone away for like a after Christmas that had, gone up to the in-laws up in West Palm beach just for a night. And so it's, it's like midnight, 1:00 AM and I've got Oculus quest on and I'm literally all by myself and I'm playing the Star Wars game. The Stars War game, came with it. And so, yeah, I'm in this thing where I'm in, I'm, I'm showing my Star Wars right here. I can't think of the name of the, giant 50 foot thing. It starts with an R anyway, like, I'm kinda chasing after this 50 foot monster to try to figure out and it's like clawing and tearing apart all the environments and I've got the, the headsets on where I can't see anything but I'm supposedly walking around in this safe space.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:29 What I didn't realize is the dog was in the middle of the safe space had my dog had laid down. Yeah. And so it was literally right by my feet as this, as this rain core is what it's called in the rain core is like tearing apart the thing and right when the rain core trashes like right where I am with, with these big long, thick nails, the dog stands up and jabs its nails into my feet. Exact timing scared the garbage out of me. My arms go flailing. You know, what I didn't realize was I was six inches away from the Christmas tree when my arms went flailing and ornaments are like scattered all over the place and I haven't told my wife yet who's not listening to this, but I broke a couple. She doesn't know about that, don't tell. It was so funny. It's like, man, that's VR man.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 04:24 Yeah. And everybody has some kind of story like that. Luckily you like spared your TV or whatever, who most people, it's like, you know, I forgot that my TV was in this space and like, yeah, for me I was using, I was playing some, I think it was playing like a pong game or something and those straps that it came with were like not that great. And like I let go of it and it like snapped the strap and it like bounced, like hit a wall and then at like smashed into a lamp and it just like shattered the bulb and there's like glass everywhere and it was just like, there's like, my roommate's like what the heck happen, so I actually got to meet the guys that like made the vibe. This is the one I have. Yeah. And I was like, what the heck happened with the strap? Like this thing sucks. It was like way broken and he was like, here, come with me. And then he like took me to a guy and he was like, this is the guy who's fault it is, you tell him.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 07:15 Love Clan is essentially, an online place for people to chat and we have a discord, that's where we do most of our ministry type stuff. It's grown into, into like starting to look into other stuff. But the basics of it is there's people out there that are looking for just something other than the cultural norm, which is I'm just trying to win in this game or I want to, I don't know. I'm trying to think of what the exact is. I don't know if I could put my finger on, what's out there, but I just wanted something else. Then kind of toxic or whatever. That's kind of the front face of it, I guess. The front door into it. The lobby into the church is kind of something we've talked about at one point.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 08:11 And then obviously the backend, the real goal is discipleship. So in the core team, that's our focus is in discipleship. And, we have a prayer channel, that's really active and we think about next steps. What does it mean for people to join for the first time just to looking for something else. And then what does that mean? If that person is willing to have a conversation with somebody, who's a Christian and if they're willing to have that conversation, then maybe they'd add something to the prayer channel. And if they'd had it for the prayer channel, would they be willing to have somebody reach out to them and ask them if, if they're okay, and if so, would they talk about maybe more in depth things like spirituality and then even into Gospel? And if so, then we just kind of think through that, that mindset, from both directions.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 11:09 Yeah, that's a, that's a good point. Yeah, discord is, I'd say most people probably that don't know Discord know Slack, which is kind of funny. But Discord looks a lot like Slack. If you, if you open the two side by side, but Discord has a much more, there's a lot more you can do with bots and with channels and setting it up so that it can run. if you don't know Slack, you probably know Skype. So there's a Skype element to it. There's video chat, voice chat, text channels. A lot of it is grouping people together into a space where they can chat and then separating those chats into different chat channels and having some of those chat channels be voice chat only channels, text chat only channels or the ability to do video. And then you can add bots, which the bots help sort through. Like if I, if I was to say yeah I'm looking for this. That might trigger a keyword and then it'll give a command that like lets people know, Whoa, you're, it looks like you're looking for this. Here's, here's where the channel you'd want to go to is for that. And so we can separate people into different games and so on and so forth. So to kind of help help people find other people, for what they're looking for. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 13:40 I that, that, that for me was just like, Oh gosh, that's so in line with, with passions, but even knowing who to reach and so on. And ever since then it's been trying to figure out what does that, what does that mean? And, and it's, it's fluctuated over the years. So I would say honestly, it's sort of like this, if it was something that was really already being done, or something that I could just point at and say, see how that person is doing it, I want to, I want to do it just like that. I would go and I would, I would go to that person and I would ask them what they're doing and I would follow that person. And then after, you know, six months, then I would kind of start to do some of the same things. And, but like we've said, that's just not, it's just not there.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 14:36 Like we're kind of, I don't want to say where we're writing that, but, you know, we're, we're figuring out what that looks like. Now. You, you don't, when you're, when you're doing something new, you don't just throw out with what already exists. Right? You want to, you want to take that and use it. And I think it'd be really foolish, at 27 years old for me to think that I'm gonna somehow be, you know, I'm so smart because the internet and so I can just, I can just forget anything else that's been, that's already been done ahead of whatever work we're trying to do and instead it's the same, the same idea you would do with any culture where you would take what's working, somewhere else and you just, you apply it to a different context. Doesn't mean, the truth is different or that the, even the method aren't necessarily applicable, but that there's a different spin to things.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 15:39 Or in some cases a different language or a different, you know, whatever. And that's how it feels with gamers like that they have kind of a different language. Sometimes they have kind of a different spin to how they see things. And so how do we, how do we bring things to where people are and change the context? You know, we're reading through Acts, we see that where when they're in front of one group of people, maybe the way things are presented is one way. And then if they're in this other context, a different culture that doesn't understand when there's the, they, he walks through, and he sees all the idols in the town and stuff, and then he goes to the same, he's written or whatever, but he's like, he goes in front of them and he's like, Hey, there's a, here's how your town is, you know, and like, let's talk about it. Do you want, you want to know about the unknown God, you know, and applying things that make sense in their context has been, has been really big for me, especially thinking towards gamers. So that's kind of just to lay the groundwork of where my mind's at with all of this.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 19:01 This is something that I'm learning, as we're going, that's, that's difficult. I struggle, calling something a church or not. I even with with love clan, I don't want to, I don't want words to get in the way. I don't want it to, with anybody, with the big C church. I don't wanna I'm not, I'm not purposely trying to start fights or anything like that. You know, it's not like, Oh, I'll call this a church because I know it'll just really hit a chord with somebody and then, you know, that whatever. And on the flip side, even in the group, the people that I'm discipling or that I'm ministering to even there, like a lot of them are turned off by the idea of church. Like they feel like it hasn't listened to some of the things they're trying to say or that it didn't answer the questions that they had.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 20:00 And so they don't want it to be a church. Even the people in the core group, some of them are not there. They're not really. They're like, well, show me what that means. because where I came from, I, that wasn't, that wasn't something that was, that was good. I wasn't in a good healthy church and I have to kind of look at it from both angles and so that, that for us has been figuring out how do we define church? And I'm realizing that's not as easy as I thought it was. And I don't want to, I don't want to flippantly call something at church if it's not for the same reason that we talk about, we, we just say the word like the church says this and obviously there's a bunch of churches, you know, but, when we say the church thinks this way, what we're saying is, you know, things that have called themselves, churches have said this this way and I don't want to do the same thing for ours if it's not, if it's not what an actual church is, because who decides what a church is?
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 21:12 It should be. It should be God, you know, he decides if something is his church, he's going to build it. Jesus builds the church rather than looking to what already exists and saying, are we that? And then we can call ourselves a church. It's let's look to the Bible and what does the Bible say at church is and if it fits the criteria of, of what I, you know, is this what Jesus is building and is does it fit in these things? Is it doing these things? Then we can call it a church. But if I talk to one person and they ask me, you know, is this a church? I, you know, I'm not really interested in church. I'm going to have no problems telling that person. Like, well, I mean, what is your, what is your view of a church?
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 21:55 And it's, you know, well it does this and this and that. Okay, well then maybe it is or it isn't based on the definition you've just given. but, but here's what it is. You know, like this is a place where we're going to, we're going to love you and, we're going to respect you. And there's a, a place, that we would like you to get to where you can have a, a loving, respectful relationship with God. And how do we, how do we work there? We can do that together as a group. these are things that like I would expect from a church, but maybe that's not the, you know, the wording he wants to use. So there's just, there's power in the words that we use. and I the the best, the best list I've seen so far, for what a healthy churches, speaking specifically about minimal ecclesiology, all of that.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 22:48 It's, there's a book, Todd Wilson and Exponential, I think it's called activating the flywheel and it's a free online PDF thing that you can download and I wanna make sure I'm right. I think it's chapter six is where is all on the minimal ecclesiology of like, this is the very basics of what a church is. They go through, Larry Walkmeyer worked for, well, when I first heard it, he had been working on it for a year, but I think he's worked on it longer since then and since the publishing of that. But there's, I think seven. I think there's seven things that have, this is what the, the minimum of churches, and the, and what a healthy church is. And so I read through that you take everything at face value because one person might say one thing or one person might say another thing, but you should still, there's always some truth in criticism, right? So you look through those seven things, not meant as a criticism, but just as somebody that's trying to prayerfully consider what it means to be a church and an effective church. And, I don't want to just be the minimum a church can be, but what does it mean to be a really effective church? And, and looking through those, how do I apply those into my context? And even if I don't call myself at church, I would still want to make sure I'm doing these things.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:18 Yeah. I, I'm, I'm sitting here on Google while you're talking the mobilization flywheel.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 24:22 Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:26 Well, we'll put a link to it in the show notes.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 24:30 I believe it's chapter six, but it may not be. And then, you know, it's just like misquoting some. Anything else you'll find it. Minimal ecclesiology. It's a really good chapter. The whole book's good. But yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:41 You're right. The church today, when people say the church, it means so many different things, but really it's different organizations, interpretation of, of scripture and even that changes in context of locations within the country, locations within other countries, other continents. The church operates in Africa different than it does here in America based on their interpretation of scripture. Because ultimately, and this is the one thing that I, that I think is very easy to forget, we're all operating on different models of what we think churches, right? Like, the, the most popular model at this point is the more energy goes into the one hour on Sunday service than anything else. Sure. And honestly, rather, you're a traditional service, a traditional church or a modern church. a contemporary, modern, Hispanic. There's a large Hispanic culture down here where I'm at in Miami. Different cultures within that one hour on Sunday, it's pretty much, you know, musical worship, some form of announcements and some form of long form teaching followed by more worship possibly. And at the end of the day, everybody goes home like that. Yeah. That's what the average person in America would define church as which is
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 25:57 As an event. Yeah. An event. Yeah, sure. I would say yeah, the, as far as an hour on Sunday, that, you know, we need to have a, a bumper after this thing and this is where we give communion. And like right after we pray, then that's where people's hearts are the most tender and that's when we want to do the offering. You know, that the thought, those kinds of thoughts. one thing I really appreciated about, about that book was that it didn't say like, well, you know, one of the seven isn't a, you, you have a band with a three piece band, with, with at least a one drummer on rotation and a, you know, it's not, it's nothing like that. They're looking at the whys before the what. And what we're really is a what that might come from a good place.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 26:46 In the same way when we think about discipleship strategies, people could just copy what you're doing and have it be the Wyatt. If they're not focused on the why. First of why am I doing this? Why am I discipling people? Then the what's pretty useless. And I think that's kind of one of the problems that's happened with, with churches. Local churches have a tendency yes to kind of copy what's already happening and, and hoping out of doing the what really well that they'll, they'll find the why that it kind of comes out of that. That's not a catch all for sure. but if you, if you don't know, why we sing, and thinking about worship in that context and what does it look like? What does it look like to, for why am I worshiping or, or why is there spiritual, authority in the church?
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 27:38 Like, like thinking through some of those things. And if you get to the, to the core of it, that's what most of the New Testament is, is here is what Old Testament was. And now I want you to think about the why, of why did I say these things are our key. Why are these things laws, why did I say not to do this? And, and people get got so stuck on the what of it that I'm going to just follow these rules. I'm going to follow it the right way and I'm going to do all these things that they, I think of the example of, well we, you know, we're, we're, we're doing sacrifice and he's like, it's become a stench to him, to my, you know, like I, it's a stench to me now because you're just doing it.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 28:27 You're doing the what, but you've completely lost the why of why I told you to do it in the first place. And I, I'm not going to say that local churches can have a tendency to become a stench. I think a lot of them have the right mindset. But if we're ever doing things just because it's the norm or just because it's what we think is right, rather than prayerfully thinking about what our context is. And is there something else that God would want us to do then? Yeah, that's, that's a problem. That's not, that's not expecting Jesus to build the church. That's just us following what other people have built. And we're just doing a 2.0 you know, and that's not, that's not, that's not good. That's not, yeah. I don't know. I, well I didn't really answer, I didn't really answer one of your questions or earlier, so I'll just, I'll pop it on it real quick.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 29:22 But yeah, thinking in context of specific people rather than in a local like a localization of people is, well I made the joke or earlier, but that I could, if I wanted to find a group, people that were, Christian emos, to go figure out what worship looks like with that would be kind of difficult without the internet. And now with the internet you can, you can be more niche with the person that you're, that you're targeting and I would say that while the, what we kind of do that anyway, cause like you said, Hispanic is really big in Florida. So how do we tailor the church service experience in that area? Or we're gonna make sure that we're having some type of Hispanic influence, you know, maybe the worship one of the songs is in, or most of the songs are in Spanish, you know, and the, how there are events look like and what are our small group communities and what are the things we think through.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 30:34 Like we do that just because it was local. We think about those things in the local context. But let's not forget that like the church is not the local physical location but the body of believers. And so we're already always doing this. Like it's just rather than you being, I'm going to go to this location where this group of people are now, it's, I'm going to find these people from all over. They're already online and, this is, this is my context, you know? And so it doesn't, it doesn't really feel too different. It's just people. But you, I have things that I can relate that make, that are maybe more specific, than something. If you, if you, rather than giving a sports team analogy to a local sports team in the area or about a specific event that happened locally, then you'd give an event that happened in the game or you'd give it about a specific game, you know, something like that. So it really isn't too different. I think it's just possible now, whereas maybe it wasn't fully possible before the internet.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:49 Yeah. I mean the internet definitely brought about more, I keep saying the word niche more of that. it's, it's one of the reasons like, I don't, I honestly, it's side note, you'll never have a band like the Beatles again, there will never be a single musical band to have that much influence. You kind of saw a little bit of it with U2, Coldplay maybe, but the, the musical genres are so sub genre that at this point, thanks to the internet that it's, you're never going to be able to get that, that influenced that power. And so instead of reaching the world, we're reaching these individual, these, these smaller groups of, of people, that we're able to have a much stronger influence because you can find tune, your message to that, the, excuse me message is the same Christ, the method of communicating them to that like you guys are doing with Love Clan.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 32:40 Well not fast, or just really fast on that, but like, yeah, you, you do tune things to the message. Like that's, you know, why don't we copy and paste sermons from everybody else? Why aren't there just like the same, one person writes the same sermon and we'd do it at every church because the sermon is specific to the heart of the people that you're speaking to. The same way that, you know, when he goes and he says to the unknown God, well that sermon wanted to really flown in Jerusalem, you know, because there would have been like unknown God. Like we're Jews. We know who God is so that your sermons do, they should change. You know, the message doesn't change. But like you're saying there, there is a context of the people that you're speaking to and in your sermons should reflect that.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 33:33 So yeah, that's one of the things that's been really difficult for us lately is, okay, what does that look like for, for a Love Clan in the future? Because we currently don't have sermons. that's not our like primary thing, but there are some people that that's the thing that they're going to want. And I do see a biblical precedent for some, for biblical teaching at least a, rather than right now we have a lot of biblical discussion and we have small groups, things like that where people can discuss. But I think as far as the specific spiritual authority, teaching the word, presenting the message in a way that makes sense of their context, the same way Jesus did, the same way Paul does, I think that's something that's going to be a next step for us. That we, we need to move more into and, get getting the why right first.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 34:28 You know, it's not just doing a sermon because that's what local churches do. We gotta be the local, you know, we gotta be just like every other church. But if there is a need for biblical teaching, and I, and I believe there is, then how do we present biblical teaching in the context of for gamers? And when I say it that way, that's, that is what a sermon is, is, is presenting biblical context in the context of your congregation. My small group was, was the first one to start, we call it, you know, alpha one, and it was the, just went through Acts. So we Bible-based, scripture base. Yeah, so we use the, the three-thirds, there's a thing called three-thirds method. You can Google it and it'll come up three-thirds. it's, I use, it's from a book called T4T, training for, yeah.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 35:28 And I think it's training for teachers, something like that. But it's the training for trainers training for trainers. Yeah, that's a very, that's a really good resource. The whole thing. Yin and Grace Chi, both awesome people and I've got to meet them in person there. I just, I'll just say T4T is an awesome resource, but three-thirds of that. The first half is kind of looking, looking back, at what God has done in the last week. So we'll use like pastoral care, worship. yeah, like, like thinking back and worshiping God for what he's done, worshiping, praying. So worship, right in our context, usually for the small group, rather than singing because it got difficult. I have done this once where I pressed play on a YouTube video and we just listened through it and this is so funny because I'm realizing the last time I was on this podcast was like, Oh man, a long time ago before we did our first small group, and I think I was saying we were gonna do a small group or that we were thinking about doing one. Maybe you were, you were just kicking the idea around, right? Okay. So cool. So this is kind of, you know, I'll look forward or whatever, but we ended up going with this model and so we, we look back at, worship, and I will generally pull through a Psalm or a verse that's just a praise of God. We'll read through that Psalm and then pray through that Psalm. So like in, if you haven't ever done this, it's actually a really cool extra thing I can throw in for another way for you to pray, but just read through a Psalm and then pray in the context of that Psalm.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 37:16 Like, yeah, God, like you are my rod and my staff and you protect me and you want to, you make a way for me to move forward. Even when I feel like I'm in the presence of enemies and you lead me by still waters, you know, and, thinking through the verses the same way that David would have when he's writing them, it's like, I, I feel this way, God, I feel exactly how he feels that the first half of this, but I believe the second half, you know, I believe that, that you can work through these things and that you do protect me. So anyway, we're worship and the first, the first half of that in the second half is, in most of them it will say lesson. and, and I think that's good.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 38:07 If you can write a lesson, we're actually figuring out right now how to maybe do smaller groups because, smaller meaning shorter periods of time because we have tried the extended long period of time groups, currently where it's just, there's no end date. It's, you just are in a small group and that has worked for some of the people that started small groups in our, in our group. I, there's also an easier end for some people to say this is a seven week series, like a seven week small group and at the end of seven weeks we'll disband. There's no, you know, beyond that if you don't want to. but then at that same time, right after that, we will start another group and we'll go from there. What I like especially about that is that it gives us an opportunity for, for well, for one to ask people very seriously to make this a priority and that they have this many days.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 39:10 I want you to give me this day, this day, this day, this day, this day, and make that a priority for me. And at the same time, it gives us an opportunity at the end of that group to ask people that we feel like could lead a group, Hey, you've been in this group, would you, you know, how are you feeling about this? Do you think you could lead one? And even if they say no, you've started that conversation and maybe in the next group they can be thinking about that. And then now you're, you know, in 14 weeks that person feels ready. Maybe even before that, maybe even halfway through that group, they're like, I feel like I could start leading this now. You know, and it should never just be, so we were talking about starting a group, I think in the last one. And then I started one.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 39:55 We then had, if you Ralph Moore, I'm just gonna do, we're just gonna point pointed everybody this time is great. Ralph Moore, man, I don't know what your organization even to look up, but if you're just like a broth more, you'll probably find him. Started tons of churches. He started, he's the only level five church planner we could find when looking through exponential. It's something I'm not even going to try to, I'll just miss quote, how many hundreds of thousands of people. but it's a lot. And how many? Tens of thousands or if not a hundred, if it's probably hundreds, thousands of churches at this point. But I went to one of his churches, one of the churches that was like a church of a church of a church of his in Japan when I went because they, they knew him because they knew this guy who knew this guy and they were like, Oh yeah, like Ralph, like we, yeah, we know Ralph.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 40:47 So he, it's crazy his, the impact there, but his, his method for even thinking about small groups and in church planning and so on, it a lot of it starts with this awesome method of one person starts a group and then from that, that person identifies three people that are like the key, the key leaders of that group. Usually that happens where you get some people that are just maybe a little bit more, they'll, they tend to do more of the work or they just study more. They have a tendency to have memorize more verses or, or so on. And from looking at that than saying, okay, I'm going to take, I'm going to take myself and maybe the third if you think about like your one and then two, three and four. Yeah. Like the one in the three will go together, stay together in the, in the group that you're at now and continue leading this group.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 41:48 Whereas like the two and the four will break off and start a group. And thinking through that, then it ends up becoming like the, the three is now the second in the group and the two becomes the one in the group and the four becomes the two in that group and the second group. And so everybody is, is moving in a direction that's, that's thinking higher up and like, Oh, I'm now in a higher level of leadership and so I need to, I need to think about that moving forward and I need to make sure other people are doing the same. So when now there's another group that starts.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 42:28 Yeah, so that's that. That's a similar model of what you're trying to do through through Love Clan to be the ones to find the two, three, fours. And then when they, when they break off, that's either a separate channel in Discord or is that where it gets into physical space?
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 42:43 So for, for these, for this model right now that this is kind of what I'm, I'm using for our small groups. So for our community, we call them community groups, but, or life groups is probably a better, you know, term and church churchy term. But we do, that that happened in my group where I had, 10 people and identified some people from there and we've split, you know, we, not even split. We had a couple people who were like leaders in the group and said, okay, you, you to go and start a group, and we'll stay here and we're gonna rebuild some stuff, and so they did, they started, they started a group and there was still somebody in our group who is now second, you know, and everything kind of shifted again.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 43:35 And so when we started that right after that, not too long after, they, that person who is second then started his, his group. So we have currently three, three community groups now and they've all gone up and down, depends on the week and whatever, but they're all sitting at like basically max, there's 30 people in small groups now online and we're all going, we were all going through Acts. So I'm like in week 23, I think we do one chapter a week and they're in like week 13 or something like that of Acts cause it's offset.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 44:17 Sounds like you're due for one more, for another split here in the next little bit.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 44:21 Yeah. And we're going to need, that's actually why we're trying to get to the end of acts and in, in my group and the alpha group so that we can, so that we can start trying the like seven week thing. So our group will technically disband because we're gonna and if anybody wants to rejoin they can otherwise we're going to then look for another group of people and that gives people an off ramp if they're like access to, you know, too much, 28 weeks or whatever is like, you know, that's too many, too many weeks. So that, that's, that's what that is. And that's the, the middle half I was saying like lesson rather than right now we're not creating a lesson. It's a discussion we're discussing through, if we're looking at three thirds, this is the second, the second side, but the, we're doing discussion instead of lesson and they're discussing through Acts and then the last half being practice and prayer and goal setting, thinking, thinking.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 45:22 The first half is looking back at what God's done. The middle half is looking up. What does God want to say through these verses? And then the last half, looking forward, what does God want to do? Goal setting for our group, practice for the future. Making sure that people are trained so that like the last week we did, what's your story? Can you give a two minute testimony, you know, and as a leading the group, you know, people kind of give me blank stares of like I have to give it to, I have to like think about a two minute testimony and so I have to lead by example. You know, if I don't have a two minute testimony then I can't expect them to. So that that's it's just a thing that you.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 46:06 Well and that's all tied into T4T is the two minute and you don't think they even have a 30 second version as well that, that's tied into that. So, but that's where from a biblical standpoint, you're going through acts from a discipleship standpoint, you're going through the T4T simultaneously. That gives you a foundation to allow for a discipleship system to be trained and taught.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 46:31 Yeah. Which is also biblical. You know, like it's, it's all biblical, but it's, it's the biblical is where I'm getting my, my why from, you know, and then how, you know, like how do you do that? These things, in the current context is where a lot of that stuff like T4T, and even like the, activating the flywheel thinking through and looking like, okay, what, what does it, what does this actually look like? Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 46:57 The current the current existence of church today in America is a model. It's grounded on biblical truth, but it's a model. 500 years ago it looked different. 1500 years ago it looked different. At the time of Acts, it looked different. And so a lot of times, today we're making adjustments to the model to do things in a church online component or with what you're doing at digital church, digital model. And, and it's been, it's received negatively because, Oh no, that's not what church is when, when in fact, even the way that we do church today isn't really like the, it's a model. It's an interpretation of what they see scripturally the biggest challenge is with, with church online, is, Hey, what are you going to do with the kids' ministry? How are you going to do kids ministry online? And my response is, where do I see kids ministry in the Bible? Like that's, that's not a, that's not a Bible mandate that we have a separate children's church over here. You can make a very good argument for, Hey, it's our job as a church to disciple the parents, to disciple them.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 48:09 You know, what, why do people feel like there needs to be a children's ministry? And if it's, if it's grounded biblically, if it's because we're looking at stuff that says, you know, that you bring them up in the way they should walk. And when they grow up, then they won't turn from it. And so therefore, how do I bring my kids up into this? And like you're saying, that could be, that can mean a lot of things. That could mean that the church is helping doing that thing, that they're helping raise the child. You know, and we, that's usually in the church. What we'd say is we're gonna help you raise your child and so those are, those are good why questions? But if it's not from a, if it's not from that perspective, if people aren't thinking that way, if they're just thinking, I want the same thing I had, they should think a little deeper, I think is all, like, think about why, why you want those things. That's all.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 48:59 So let me ask this and we'll probably wrap with this, but where, at what point are you done, at what point will you look out? Have you thought of this and say, Love Clan the existence of a digital church when we, what is that?
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 49:20 Oh, right. Well, okay. Actually, this is, this is an unintentionally a, a great answer to a lot of the questions because, you know, you're asking even from the very beginning, why would I go through a church planning training thing? And I don't know if we ever actually hit on that. Totally. We're bouncing around. It's okay. It's great. if I want to look at what currently exists, I'm not trying to, go in blind that I see so many dangers when you do things alone. So we want to look at what already has worked in the past with local fully understand the context of what's out there. You know, if you're going to write a good book, you should probably read some really good books first. So that's what is, and this is one of the things that, they, they point through all of this, going through that they'll talk about, right now we're talking about budget.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 50:21 I don't want to talk about budget in my personal, I'm probably not thinking about budget, but they said, Hey, in a church this is what you need to think about. You think about a budget, you need to think about your value statements, you need to think about mission statements. You need it, you know, and if it wasn't for them basically telling me to think through those things, then I probably wouldn't. So I will, stall and try to find my vision statement, from, you know, that I wrote up in the cohort that I otherwise wouldn't have, have written up.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 51:04 So basically they made you write a vision statement.
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 51:06 They make you write all that stuff. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 51:09 You don't have a vision statement?
  
    
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  Jate Earhart: 51:12 Well, I do because I am in the cohort one. So they also told about the difference between a mission, a mission statement, and a vision statement. So our mission statement is to, there is a difference. So our mission statement is to help gamers find and follow Jesus. You know, and our, our vision, the, the big longterm only possible with God, right. Would be to have 1 million disciple-making gamers.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 51:47 Disciple-making gamers.
  
    
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                    Here's what I believe. Reading Acts, we see the historical model of how the God birthed and grew the church. In the Corinthians, Paul gives us guidance into what the church should be. What we experience as church in North America is a model of "church", loosely based on scripture. But it's important to remember that it is A MODEL. The physical church model, often visualized as churches working very hard to attain a mega/gigachurch status, has been successful in America. The gigachurch model is bringing revival to Korea. But India and China are seeing a movement of God through another model. These countries are experiencing spiritual growth through much smaller units: house churches.
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                    To say that God cannot use one model or another is simply not true. Whether a gigachurch, a normal church, or a house church... each expression of worship has cultural strengths and weaknesses. Let's be honest, it's very easy to see bias in one of these models. What type of church did you grow up in? Oftentimes, this bias, coupled with tradition, defines the model that a person calls church. Tradition or not, these expressions should be held to a Biblical standard... as should future models.
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                    Once we acknowledge that both the location-specific model, as well as, the mega/gigachurch expression we see today are models of Biblical Church and not the pure form of Biblical Church, we're freed up to explore other models. As an aside, I always think it's funny when a traditional-worship church and a modern-worship church bicker with each other. Other than musical styles, it's the exact same worship service. Worship, teaching, announcements. Maybe more worship to close the service. From a spiritual context, type of worship is just a preference. The worship wars of the 80s and 90s were just a smoke screen to the larger issue: the prevalent model of church defaults to a place of creating consumers... the better we get at creating the show, the more we have lulled our people into becoming spiritual addicts of the one-hour-on-Sunday, only to have them disassociate from their God-given calling Monday-Saturday. Sundays become a tentpole for attenders to lift their spirits on Sundays, in hopes of making it another week. However, with cultural Christianity not driving people into the pews on Sundays, this model is obviously feeling some heat.
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                    I may be blacklisted for saying this, but I believe there's another model:
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                    When I look at the model of a Digital Church, I see a discipleship-driven model of church. Driven by community. Led by disciple-makers empowered with the Gospel. Focused on reaching a specific audience for Christ. I see digital-only expressions of church. I see digital expressions growing into physical expressions. I see a new way to do church... that isn't going to break the bank, either.
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                    While many would question the validity of these models based on scripture, when you read scripture you actually find that these digital expressions of church actually hold up closer to scripture than many of the current models we are currently using.
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                    For clarity, the mega/gigachurch model is not going anywhere. Bigger churches will get bigger. Smaller churches will likely get smaller. As we see different models wane in popularity, though, I think it's important for the Church to realize that, unlike before, it takes different models to reach different people.
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                    No one in the church says they want to make consumers. We want people who live the Christian life. We want to be a church of Christians... a church of "little Christs." We want Disciples, followers of "the Way". For me, Matthew 28's challenge to go and make disciples echoes painfully in my ears as I look at our church and realize that while we want disciples, we're inadvertently creating consumers. Lifeway research tells us that 
  
  
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                    What if our church wasn't defined by a single man (or woman) on-stage preaching the word? What if, instead, the church was defined by its ability to disciple and evangelize, empowering the Gospel on people, training them to share. What if the movement of your church wasn't defined by the butts in seats of the one hour on Sunday, but God used those butts (not in seats) during the other 167 hours during the week?
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Episode 43 with The Church Digital Podcast and this is going to be an interesting podcast cause I'm not even going to be the host here. It looks like I'm going to be the guest that's going to be interviewed on my own podcast. It's going to be fun. See a couple, maybe a month or so ago at this point, Kyle Schultz, who is the Associate Online Pastor over at Northwoods Community Church up in Illinois, they, were they're interested in and maybe possibly doing some church online for kids stuff. And so Kyle got on Facebook and, and posted that he was looking for, for somebody to, you know, give them some insight, towards the church online for kids. And so Christ Fellowship Miami, the church that I was at when I was online, pastor did church online for kids for it for a season and I tagged on the threads.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:47 Like, yeah, I'd love to, you know, talk with an expert to on church line for kids or somebody else who's done it and done it successfully. And slowly we discovered that nobody else really was, interested or had done church align for kids. And so it actually started a series of conversations like who else has done church online for kids? It's surely somebody has done a targeted motion towards a movement towards creating an online environment aimed at children. And lo and behold, I don't think that there are many people that have. And so instead of interviewing myself, which would be weird on a podcast, I've asked Kyle Schultz to come on and be the interviewer to walk through some questions and together lets just dialogue through what it means to do church online for kids. What are the strengths and what are the weaknesses and what are the issues?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:46 And, and just with a full disclaimer, we, we didn't do church online for kids that long. there were some issues that we as an organization couldn't get past. And so it did run for it for a period of time. And then we stopped it. And they're, they're not doing it now to say that it can't be done. I would disagree with to say that, it should not be done. I think we should, as churches be utilizing online environments to reach kids. I do think it looks differently and that's a lot of what this podcast is because I think the rules of Church online for kids has to be different than church online. So we're going to unpack a lot of this right here in this podcast. You've got Kyle Schultz, Associate Online Pastor with Northwoods Community Church. You've got Rey DeArmas, who's currently Online Pastor of Christ Fellowship Miami, and once again, cohost here with The Church Digital podcast and myself, Jeff Reed with The Church Digital Podcast in a episode that I'm calling Deconstructing Kids Church Online. Okay, everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 03:22 And we were, and we also had like a lot of micro sighting going on like within campuses. Like we had campuses doing specialized services, like we had Brickell going on at the time. That's true. we had, yeah, there was a, and there were like experimental things that we were doing at the time to reach more people. We were hovering around like 10,000 in terms of attendance and so for us, and that's not even including online, this is just counting some of the physical numbers at the time.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:13 But I also gotta say this, Jeff, we wrote a lot of content. Like we had stacked writers for CF kids at the time, which made sharing the content a lot easier. You know, and for those of you who are working with 252 or somebody, there's stuff, you know, that they've got all the rights, they've got all that stuff. And so right now that's not something, whether it's gospel project, you know, if you're on the Southern Baptist end or whether you're, you know, if you're working with 252 and Orange, we weren't doing that at the time, which enabled us to then create a lot of content that we could share. now there was a lot of upfront costs to that, as you can imagine. But at the time we were also doing aligned teaching on the weekend with kids as we were with adults. We were just packaging it for kids, which, you know, created a great vibe. It's something that we had going on for a long time, even before this era. But it enabled us to do this kind of thing and to do it well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 06:06 The biggest challenge I think that we really pulled from doing the Orange and we'll get to this at a later point cause they ended up going to Orange, which is really what kind of dive bomb the online piece. You know, you may, maybe you don't necessarily feel this, but being in Miami as multicultural as we are, it was bunch of white people on videos. Like it was not kind of and I'm not speaking negative of NewSpring or any church cause kind of like if that's who your church is made up of, I totally recognize, Hey, you know, just go with that. But in a church like Christ Fellowship where it was like mean I'm just gonna make up numbers here but 40%-50% Hispanic, 25%-30% white, 20% black. I mean we had almost at this point because races don't even mean anything anymore down here.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 06:57 Like seeing a bunch of white people act out something on a video. Like it's awkward enough that you have to question it. Like people in there going be like, why are there a bunch of white people up there? What are they politically trying to say? And so like it's, it's that, that tension of you want to create your own stuff, right? But that costs money. But then if you don't, then you're kind of stuck with what, you know, not offending Life.Church but Life.Church in the middle of, you know, Oklahoma, they have a different demographic, of, of people who are showing up and they may not represent as well anyway.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 07:33 And not at the time there weren't a lot of people creating video content either in this kind of area that we could take and we could say we could actually fit and work into this. I remember this cause I was part of a group that went to go review different types of curriculums that LifeWay had to offer that orange had to offer. And this is before we made the jump and a lot of it was text-based. It was like, Hey, here are PDFs that your folks can download. But once again, that took a lot of it and it put a lot of emphasis on having a quality volunteer, which is great if you can reproduce that over and over and over again across multiple locations, across multiple services, we could not especially go on week to week with the material and trying to get it at the time to match up and to sink in with alignment in terms of what was going on in the weekend. It just wasn't something that would have worked out for us. But you know, that being said, the content that we were able to create was actually very compelling for kids. It was very good. and it was something that, you know, even my own kids enjoyed preface it like a is our stuff. We just threw it out there and it was a lot of fun.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 08:36 The biggest part when we've really looked at what we were doing at the multisite level, so content that we were already creating for the multisite, what were we missing to put it online? And the biggest part that we were missing was the, was the hosted segments. So normally like the campus, you know, the campus children's director or a volunteer, you know, would stand up in front of the kids, be the hype man, get them excited, you know, set up, introduce the video set up, maybe tell them something to, to set the stage and then show the video and so we were missing kind of that, that hype person for online, which is where Roxy fit in so well, because Roxy just exudes a hype. And so like, you know, she just, she really has that, that high level energy and connects so well with kids and you put her in front of the camera and it doesn't matter that there's no kids in front of her.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:35 She is still hyping that, that crowd up, in, in real ways. And the good thing with her was we actually, we tried, we tried two or three different people in the role. Two I think that were staff. One was, someone who was a volunteer in kids min, and had a background in television. So she was more comfortable on the television side but she wasn't like as tightly intertwined. She was a volunteer so she kinda knew what was going on. she really struggled in the role and honestly she went on after she left, she went on to do incredible things like, so this isn't a negative towards her at all because honestly she's working for a far better organization at this point than any of us was, but were where she struggled with, it was kids' ministry, and this may be just indicative of Christ Fellowship, but there's so many day-to-day changes and so much like fluidity and kind of what's happening that her as a volunteer on the outside really struggled to keep up with it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:41 And so things would change, you know, oftentimes between Monday and Wednesday and like by the time she came in to film something on Wednesday it'd change two or three times and she didn't know about it and we had to go back and reshoot. And the communication really wasn't that good because she was kind of an outsider trying to come in and that, that was one of the big reasons why we went with the Roxy model where, Hey, let's get somebody that already speaks the language that already understands what's going on and let's just get a little more out of her. I think Roxy was, was part time. I don't think she was full time at that point and it was something like, you know, move her 25 to 30 hours or something like that. Just give her a little more, we're, we're where she can help create this content and kind of help us get to that, that next level, at least at the intro. Absolutely.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:47 Yeah, that's a great question here. Here's what I would say. I don't think we realized the felt need and then the felt need became the biggest challenge. Yeah. The reason we got into it was, and I'll own this. Like I, I live in, I've lived my life, even with the church digital. I don't think there's a limitation to what church online can be. And so the biggest challenge when I talk about church online, when I talk about micrositing, one of the questions I'll get out of top five questions people ask, one of them is always, what do you do with the kids? And so rather than kind of running with that or, or hiding from that, I'm just kind of a jerk that way. I'm like, we are freaking going to do kid's ministry. Let's figure out how to do it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:31 I can't believe I just said freaking on a podcast, but we're gonna, we're gonna figure out how to do. So we're going to figure out how to, how to do this. And so it was, you know, let's throw stuff in a blender. Let's see if it sticks, let's be experimental with it. you know, and see how, how it goes. Now that the challenge of with me, when I look at church online, I wasn't necessarily targeting the people. I definitely was not targeting the people in my front door or side door. I'm not targeting people who attended Christ Fellowship Miami campuses. I was trying to target people outside the city, outside the state, outside the country, around the world. And really, I can't speak to the stats now, but when I left 50% of the traffic of Christ Fellowship Miami online of their online church was outside of the state of Florida.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:29 So there was a much larger reach. Part of that is actually, there were many reasons why, why that was happening, but here's the problem that I experienced. I can market an adult service. I could never figure out how to market a kid service. Like, I can't, you can't market to kids. Like you can't, I put create ads for kids. They're not on the social media. The only thing we could do was to market to the parents and kind of draw it down to the kid level. Yeah. And so that really became the problem, the biggest hurdle of church online was the adult services were very outside, external oriented evangelism, reach out, get them connected to God type of thing. The church online really evolved into, my kids are sick, my kids aren't at church this week. I want to keep them connected so they can watch the service.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:29 No, it happens. Like, it was funny, I, my kids were, I'm going to do bad math here. My kids were probably four and six when we were doing this. Both of them had iPads. Yeah. I'm the dad that gives her kids iPads at four and six. We, you can email me later. but I bookmarked the CF online for on that and they would, instead of watching Handy Manny 50 times over and over and over and over again, they were watching CF online and, and I, and I, I personally, I loved that, but it wasn't, the vision of the church was more external and reaching out as opposed to giving people an alternative to Handy Manny. And so that was a lot of where that the tension was. Go ahead. Sorry.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:13 No, I was going to say, you know, Jeff, the irony of that is I think, you know, to your question, Kyle, the answer is yes and yes. Like there's the felt need and there's also the understanding that Hey, there is an audience here. Like that's the way that I'm looking at it now. Where I'm hoping that one day we can bring it back either in partnership with one of our content creators or something else we're even working on, we're, we're knocking on Orange's door. Like, Hey look, can we get rights to this? Can we do something? And here's why. Cause I agree with Jeff, there is the sense of, Hey, we work so hard on creating compelling content that it can't just exist for the weekend. Like that's just bad stewardship, right? You're going to tell me we're going to invest all this time and all this effort and it's just going to exist on Saturday and Sunday.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:53 And the same thing has to apply to kids as it does in terms of our adult service. So we're gonna invest all this time and effort into this kind of ministry and the contents just going to get relayed wants to them. You know, that, that my view just doesn't make sense. And especially in an era where kids aren't used to the whole phygital kind of mindset, digital and physical places just kind of providing them the same content that they have access to. And so I'm convinced that my kids, if they'll go to church on Sunday still and they'll want to replay that service, if it was great and compelling during the week, they'll still want to go back and watch that great content. If it's presented a package that they're going to love. Absolutely they're going to come back and watch it or they're going to show it to their friends.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:30 Hey look at what, look at what I'm watching and, and, and this is the key. Jeff, I think this was our missed opportunity at the time and I think we're discovering this more now. YouTube is like the great place for this to live. YouTube is like the grand spot for this to live on YouTube Kids specifically and YouTube right now is being very, very careful with kids. Stuff that you've got like a special check marks. Some of you are YouTube content creators. You know this, you've seen this already that if you are creating stuff for kids, you have to market specifically for kids and they won't allow it on the YouTube kids app and they shouldn't unless it goes, unless this is checked off so that they can review it and so that they can put it out there. So now more than ever there is a hunger, there is a desire, there is an audience and the kids have the capability of getting to it and you can create great content that's made for them. I mean, you know, let's kind of go back and let's think through about how Mr. Rogers, you know, would pour into so much effort to make his clothes available for families. At churches, we should do the same thing. We should pour the same kind of efforts. And so Reggie Joiner, if you're listening to me out there, all right, please make Orange available so that churches can take this stuff online because man, there's an audience here and people need to see.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 17:40 That's a great point on the YouTube kids. I just want to put a disclaimer on that. We shut down, we switched to Orange, and the next week YouTube, YouTube kids. That's fact. and it was on honest cause I remember going back in and try actually, Hey, we got a shot here. Let's do it. It was too late. Like it was already. It was already moved over. And yeah, Reggie, Orange man. There's a lot of humility in that, right? It's like, let me create content and have it not just for my, under my brand, but let me create content, Orange. Let me create content for others. Yeah, we can show them at the church property but, but show it online as well. Like I would imagine there would be a lot more exposure and I'm just hypothesizing here, but if there was a video that was shown on 252, and then that'll get some traction.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 18:34 But if you show that video on maybe a couple hundred church onlines, I know there's going to be a lot more exposure towards that. Maybe you're more, maybe you're more selective about who you're bringing in. But I, I think, you know, once again, it's a lot better what other people say about you than what you say about yourself and churches, you know, being able to provide some of that content, being able to own it to that point. Like I think that's a huge opportunity. Yeah, I am, there have been two or three conversations I've had. Anytime I see a, underworked video person, honest to God underworked Christian video person, I cast this vision to them. What if you created video content for churches in the kids' area? And that's nothing against any of the players that are out there, but I just think there's this huge need and there's not a lot of options out there.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 19:24 Yeah. You got the got the live voice stuff. Yeah. Orange. You know, there's, it's funny everywhere I in the church world, everywhere I look it's Orange stuff and it's like, man, and it's, it's good stuff. I don't want to, I want to criticize it, but I'd love to have some other options out there that would maybe challenge, and get some innovation in the area.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 19:44 What would you guys say is the biggest challenge that you faced when you first started doing kids ministry? Online?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 19:49 Finding the audience cause we really were limited. the adults that would watch online, it wasn't a clean fit. I'm going to answer this in to finding the audience is one the adults wouldn't stream, wouldn't connect it immediately down to the kids. And so like that was a hard kind of push to get it there. And when we did really kind of figure out that we were were kind of restricted. Our audience really was the kids who were just stick or who are traveling and stuff like that and so that was a challenge. Probably the other challenge was when we tried to do it at the, at the microsite level and we tried to do house church, there's a lot of, legal issues around kids' ministry at house churches and even really challenges even seeing how when we were doing micro locations in 2014-2015 house churches, watching church online, you know, watch parties, a common term now, when we were doing that back then, it wasn't, it was not a common term back then. even how, like, how we're handling the kids, you know, you're putting it on the website and all of these people are coming to some house. They don't know.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:08 Like even that philosophy has kind of shifted a little bit. Like, I can remember, we had a, a house church up in a, a network that was kind of starting up in the New York city area. And, the guy would literally let his 13 year old daughter, lead like the Bible study or with the kids and they'd watch the video. They go through the curriculum like, and it was, it ended up being when every time they did it on Friday nights, it was like one kid would take a turn teaching all the other kids, so he would like rotate through and have different kids do different things, which was kind of a cool spin on it that I wasn't expecting. But it was instead of like the adults teaching and it was the, was the kids. but even that, it's like, you know, there is a lawyer somewhere who's just banging his head against a wall because there's, there's so much, tension around the idea of children in homes that may or may not be fully supervised. You know, and so that there, there's some difficulty there that needs to get fixed.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:10 Yeah. The community aspect has to be the most challenging. You know, when you talk about church online, the whole thing shouldn't be just the content creation, but the community that you're trying to create around it. And in terms of speaking as a parent, yeah. It'd be really uncomfortable with my six year old like, Hey, so I want to go into a chat room with a volunteer with a volunteer, you know, to leave my small group. Yeah. Even that for me, even as a church person, even as a pastor, yeah. That for me just sets off all sorts of red flags like profitable for that. And so creating the community around the content is gotta be the most difficult part because yes, you know that people are watching, but how you get them to interact with one another or how you get them to take next steps. That's, that's the most challenging aspect of it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:53 Well, and then you know, part of you raised your points. Great. What about next steps? Try to figure out how to take the next steps. What's the end game? Yeah, like what, what is the finish line? What are you trying to do with your children online? and so even, and that's not, that's not something any of us on this podcast can answer. That's like a philosophical question that church needs to wrestle with. Right. cause in one thing, you know, if you're listening to the podcast, these were more than just the one hour on Sunday and just like, you know, to use Christ Fellowship example from a couple of years ago, we needed to be more than just broadcasting that one service. What's the, okay. So the goal is, you know, to empower parents with more resources to help disciple their kids. Cool. So that's more than just video by the way. That's a larger than just, for church online. That's the entire church. So there is, there's ways I think with kids ministry too, maybe align things, where physical, I mean you used the word phygital, Rey, I love that. It's the combining of the physical campuses and the digital and the online campus. It's not two different experiences, not two different goals. It's one goal that's just interwoven, to work together.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 24:12 Yeah. And to point back real quick to 252. So this is where parent cue has come in so big like they provided, they provide a lot of great resources for parents do that in the sense that whether or not parents use them that's on their own dime or that's on their own, you know, whatever they're going to do. But providing an app, providing all sorts of tools, you know, that kind of coincide with those lessons. That's a big deal cause then that further is, you know, the home game in terms of me as a parent empowering me to disciple my kids, which should be the goal of every church ministry, church kids ministry to partner with the parents so that it's not like when I did youth group back in the day, it's like, Oh, we're dropping off our kid for you to fix him.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 24:50 No, no, no, no, no. That's not how it works. We're supposed to partner together on this, you know, so that your child has a cohesive team. I'm going to back you up as a parent and you're going to back me up as a student person and we're going to plan together how to help raise this human into a fully functional and adult that loves Jesus and that's going to serve him with the rest of his life. And that's how this is going to work together in kids' ministry. There's got to be that kind of relationship or that happens. And so maybe the community aspect is parents, kids ministers together kind of working together and to help provide resources and provide tools that they can build community around.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 25:25 Yeah. If I am a parent who is only online and I've got my kids, and you don't have your own content that you're creating yourself as a church. So what resources are there available, you know, or curriculums that can be used, to help play successfully implement, you know, a kid's online ministry and help foster that with them, I guess is where I, that seems like the next logical question to ask here. Cause that's one of the things we're wrestling with at Northwoods is we don't, we don't do our own content like video-based content.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:56 So what content do you use? Do you know?
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 26:01 I don't right now. I think it's all, they're not a part of 252. I know that they, they're creating their own, but it's, none of it is digitally based right now.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:13 Okay. Okay. Well, if you are writing your own content, that at least saves you the trouble of having to jump through those loopholes, which is great. however, if you're not creating any kind of digital resources with that, I can understand how that can be a little bit. All right. So how do we take that next step? Like I mentioned earlier, if, if you're looking for, you know, gospel project or any of those deals right now, they're not licensing that for churches to take it to the digital area. We're all hoping and praying that that somehow, some way, if it's, it's a larger license we got to pay for. If it's something along those that, that that gets opened up to churches, but we're not there just yet.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:46 Do you know, do you know what, what the, and I'm out of my league here, what's the logistical hold up on them? Licensing it. Like, do you know what the reason is?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:57 No, not just yet. We've talked to the folks at Orange, on a number of fronts and the only reason I keep referencing them is because that's who our church is using currently. We're not using Gospel Project right now. You know, we're still trying to work it out with them. I think it's, I think there's a lot of different areas, both in terms of music. You know, music licensing can be such a challenging for all of you who are doing church online. You know what I'm talking about, especially if you're trying to take it on social media, you've been flagged by Facebook or even flagged by YouTube. Hey, content, copyright, whatever. I mean, that's, that's for sure thing, you know, to worry about and to think through. The next thing is, is cultural references. If they're looking at, Hey, we want to, you know, leverage a clip or something, you know, if they're doing some form of, and they're not doing at the movies, but if they're doing some form of that, then, you know, that's another issue that kind of comes into play.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:43 As far as the content and the licensing is concerned. And then I think the third thing is, I think they're trying to figure that out as well. You know, how do we sell our content, but also how to enable churches to distribute it digitally. I think they're trying to figure that out as well. you know, not every church can create content leveraging their scripts. Some can, some can't, right? Like our church, we do have the capability of doing that. We'd have to staff more in order to help provide video editors and videographers and things like that to make it happen. But you know, we see, we see the vision and we see the understanding of it and I think we would go for it. But it would be a challenge for churches in general to do that because of some of the upfront costs that are involved at least to do it well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 28:24 It'd be really interesting if a church kinda caught vision of this and it's like, Hey, we're going to do this and let's partner with bleeding edge is always expensive. That's just kind of like the, the thought and part of, part of the reason why I love working with vendors so much is because I believe that innovation right now isn't going to come out of the church overall it's going to come out of vendors that are going to provide the resources that then now vendors have paid that bleeding edge tax and now the churches can kind of, come on easier, without paying all that. The upfront costs and the vendor can spread it out over a bunch. but it would, and, and you know, maybe there's a reason why this is working or not working. And like I said, I don't, I don't understand how the sausage is made on this necessarily to really appreciate the licensing and the legal issues there.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:18 But if it could be interesting if like five churches, 10 churches got together and said, Hey, we're gonna, we're gonna align and we're gonna create kids' content and this is going to be the end game. We're going to be culturally relevant. We're going be, demographically appropriate. We're going to be theologically sound and we're going to have distribution of all of this so that it works within. Yeah. I dunno if that's a, I dunno if that's a network thing. I don't know if that's a, a denomination thing, but there's an opportunity, I think for churches to work together towards it and spread out all this costs among multiple churches. Like, I even think how, I mean just it's completely off topic from kid's ministry. But look at how Rock RMS started. That was a couple of churches coming together and then everybody opened sources and, and adds onto it. There's, there's a model there that if that if some churches would get together and just, you know, I don't want to be like, learn to work together, but figure out how to work together. I think there's an opportunity for a big win to connect with kids in a new way.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:25 Absolutely. Especially since, you know, considering, I mean this, this is my kids, man, this is gen Z. This is Jeff's kids. You know, this is, this is what happens. This is our opportunity to reach them. And this is the medium that they're going to most often. You know, they're going to digital resources. You can cry about it, you can hate on it. You can shake a stick at them and say, get off my lawn and get out in the street and ride a bike or whatever else. But you got to deal with the fact that they love the digital resources that are provided to them. Schools are figuring this out for the love of God. My kids are doing homework on their computers, they're encountering the same material, you know, through digital mediums. And then they're having to go do their physical homework like in a pad and paper and notebook. They're having to do both. So somewhere in the church world there is a place for this and essentially, yes. Would you need to throw out the challenge? We should be leading the way in this, but instead we are lagging way behind in terms of trying to break some barriers and make this kind of thing happen.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 31:17 Yeah. Well, I mean my first, my first grader, everything he does at school is online. He rarely has paper based homework. So yeah, it makes sense. So what type of strategies and systems, did you guys put into place when you first started?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:32 I don't know. It's not the answer you wanted. None, none at all. We want, we wanted to make sure, I mean, I come from the.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 31:43 We wanted to get it off the ground and see if it would work. That was kind of it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:46 Let me, let me, let me answer the question and I'm going to answer your question. I'm gonna turning the corner. It was throw and go. I don't even, I can't even remember how long we did it. I want to say maybe six months. I don't think it was a full year.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 32:00 Man. It didn't feel that long. It felt a lot shorter than that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:03 Yeah. Like it was, it was, it was give it a shot and then kind of budgets and some other things kind of fell into play where they didn't want to invest all that bleeding tax money, bleeding edge tax money into this. And so they, they went with the Orange solution but there ultimately we were, we were, we were stuck on creating content. Yeah. And it was, okay, let's figure out the easiest and the cheapest way to create this model of, the weekend service online. And that's where I made mistake. Like I'll just, I'll own this right now. I shouldn't have been so focused on recreating that one hour on Sunday. Yeah. And instead I should have been focused on how can I create resources that can help people like me, disciple my kids. And that's where, that's where the focus got got. I'll own this.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:00 This was one of my biggest mistakes, in my stretch there doing church online was I, I was so focused on the content piece and exclusivity of online cause I got to create this content for an online audience. Instead, I should have been, okay, how can I create content that will help parents, help parents, disciple kids, whether they're in the same city, whether they attend a physical campus or whether they're in another country. Like the idea was it's where this phygital comes into play. Yeah. I should have been creating content that would help disciple and resource and help parents be better to reach kids instead of trying to figure out, Oh, how to get that skit background and see thing to look good in a video frame. I was misguided.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 33:52 This kind of centers around, Kyle, the entire thing that we told you at the beginning of the, of the podcast where we were doing a lot of things at the time. and the truth is we were doing a lot of things in reaching a lot of people, but there wasn't an overarching strategy in terms of what we were doing. And so that was some of the frustration that we, that we were leading with at the time. If there is an underlying DNA behind what it is that you're doing and if there's an underlying strategy and infrastructure, then reaching out beyond some of these things and pushing some bleeding edge, it doesn't feel so stressful on the organization because it feels like you're taking what you're doing and you're taking it into a digital area. It's the same thing. You know, the Jeff and I have discussed a lot over and over again with people with discipleship stuff like you can't have like, Oh, church online does discipleship this way and then the rest of the church visits this way.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 34:37 It's like, no, it should be unified in all areas. And so, you know, figuring out strategically what it was we were going to do. If the goal, like what Jeff is saying, if the goal was to help parents disciple their kids, men, I think that's something that we could have succeeded at. And it would have been better in the sense of, Hey, we could have done it at a pace that worked out great. We went about w we wouldn't have been about concern, concerned about creating an hour worth of content, maybe as much as, Hey, here's 15 minutes here and there, but heading in a specific direction. You know what I'm saying? Of great content that's compelling for kids. It's super professional, it's very well done. And you know, but you live in, you learn. And that doesn't mean that that's not something we could revisit or somebody else can, Hey, pick up this blueprint we're talking about now and run with it. Go for it. Yeah. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:22 And it really, I mean, that's where, that's where experimenting comes into play and we, so often we talk with churches and they're like, Oh, it failed. We're going to, and it's, it's honestly, it's, it's, it's one of my regrets. I'm not saying the thing was a failure. It was so bleeding edge. It, it was informational. But what I regret is that we never got to turn the corner and try it again. It was that, you know, budget was too tight. We're not interested in going in this direction. We're just gonna cut ties on this. The entire church is going to orange, which is great, but Orange doesn't have distribution. So you're, you know, sol. and so like that's the, that's the unfortunate of this. I would have loved to, okay, now I understand this better, let's figure out how to create resources in a different, in a different topic, in a different range, under a different guidance, and unfortunately we just didn't get the chance. That being said, man, churches out there experiment with stuff like this. And when you learn those lessons, don't be afraid to try it again. Experiment in a different way. Revamp, give it another shot.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:27 Yeah. You know what? I would love to see a, what I think would be great. And then maybe somebody's going to pick this, run with it and then become a millionaire. And if your art meant go ahead, somebody go out there and pencils ready, go get ready, get ready. This is the idea. Just create one of those unboxing channel videos for kids and have a spiritual lesson that's Bible-based right at the end. Like man, my kids will probably watch that for hours. Give you like 10,000 views. You know what I'm saying? 10 million views. Other kids will watch it. You know what I'm saying? Cause it's taking something that kids are already watching like that. I'm sure other parents, you don't get it. I don't get it. Kids watching another kid's unbox toys and play with them but they do it, you know like Hey, here's the newest frozen doll and let me tell you what I learned from frozen. This is how it got, you know how God works and boom, create like a devotional around that and there it is. There it is because kids will watch it. They will engage with it and leverage it for the glory of God. I mean if we're able to create Christian radio stations for the glory of God based on the same pop music that we listened to, you can do this, so go for it.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 37:31 I'm definitely with you on that. I mean cause my boys, they, they're on YouTube kids, they watch Ryan's world and other things like that and I'm like how can we create content that's more based around what they should be learning instead of about a toy and so yeah, I definitely, that resonates a lot with me. It's a lot.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:54 Well let's, let's shift this, this is interesting. This is not what when the talk about with online, but let's really dig into the content here. Right? The, the problem is is that at least I would throw out as option number one. The problem is is that we're so focused on throwing an agenda or a series or a topic or pushing this stuff on there. We're not really engaging and listening. And the pro if we could, if we could figure out how to, and I don't know, how do you engage and listen to little kids, which is another thing, which is why I'm so focused on parenting instead of the kids. And that might be a crutch in itself. Maybe there is a way to, to, to listen to kids to get down to that, to that level. But it seems to me like if, if all we're doing is, is, and this is what I was guilty of, let's figure out how to create this, this new dynamic sermon series for, for kids or this new, you know, whatever it was messaged series or topic series or stories.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 39:54 Well that's where the parent has to come into play and that's that appreciate, you know, once again going back to Orange that they provide questions for during the week for the parents and the kids to interact. You know what I'm saying? So if you can do something based off of that model where you're providing content that's for the kid, but at the same time the parent has a spot, Hey parents, click here, we've got you know, a spot for you to add. Here's discussion questions between you and your kid. Here's an activity that you guys can do together. Here is this, that to me, the parents a lot more compelling, you know what I'm saying in that it's giving me an activity or it's giving me a way to relate to my kid through spiritual content that I become the small group leader. Then in my household I become the small group leader leading Zoe and Lexi, my two little girls through that content. And that's where I think that relationship can be as opposed to, Hey, someone known guy, some volunteer at a church or somebody who's not really going to stick and walk with them for the long haul. Now obviously that's, you know, in a digital world that's putting a lot on the parent supposedly, you know, it's what we're called to do as parents anyways. It's just giving us more handles on how to do so.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 40:58 Most people would agree that, I mean, parents, they're, Hey, can I have the most spiritual influence over their kids than anybody in their life? So I mean if you really think about that, so yeah, I love that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 41:09 I need help. I need help. Yeah. Discipling my kids. I do it all own. Me too. God almighty. That's both of us. Yeah. So like church out there listening, realize, you know, the hero in my children's spiritual life does not need to be the Children's Pastor.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 41:30 You know, we've talked about a lot of things, you know, with this, when it comes to creating buy-in, you know, not only at the leadership executive leadership level with a kid's ministry, but even with the own kids' ministry and their staff or what's some advice that you would give around that? You know, we haven't explored, we haven't experienced that cause the question hasn't been asked yet, but I'm sure at least at Northwoods, I mean that's going to be something that we may have an issue with, but we may not. I mean, I don't know. So yeah. Any advice there that you would give?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 42:06 Let me, let me throw two things. I remember the first conversation that we had about kids' ministry online and half with the, with the staff, with the people who would be involved in executing this on a regular basis. Half of them were excited at the opportunity. Half of them looked at it like this is just more work and I'm already giving you as much as I can, I cannot give you that extra and so, but I, we started selling task. We didn't necessarily sell it on, on vision, on, on discipleship because at the time church-wise we were very task oriented and not necessarily, you know, person oriented. And so I think, I think part of the challenge is to speak to the level of, of the, of the vision first. And that's where getting it to align with the church overall, which actually gets me into number two: figure out how it's a win for physical as well as online because, and especially, I mean, you can look at your CMS check-in.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 43:19 I'm willing to bet if you're like any other church in America, one week out of three, the kids are there. So two weeks out of three the kids are gone. You're adults. That's may be worse than that, but you at least know through kids check in, you know, what that is. And so realize that's another opportunity for you to engage with kids. So that's another opportunity for you to engage with parents, with added value for them to maybe understand something at a, at a spiritual level, during the week. you know, I think there's a lot of effort in church overall, not just kids' ministry towards that one hour on Sunday. And if we just put a fraction of that towards the other hundred 67 hours a week so that people can be Christian so that they can understand their spiritual calling outside of the physical church building on Sunday, I think the church would be in a better place.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 44:08 And so it's leading with a lot of that vision and understanding. Assuming your church is onboard with that, that'll really help you get to that. Sometimes you're going to have to sell this vision up, man. because if you're excited, listen, I'll just tell you, for me, if it was, it was hard going up, there was eventually bought into and then scrutinize, learn from it and make adjustments. You know, as you're doing it. There's not a lot that are doing it, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. This is to me, like I said earlier, kids ministry, Deaf, these, these are two things that, that I think the churches is grossly missing an opportunity by not capitalizing and building on this in a digital scale.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 44:56 That's good. There are steps to this. I don't think it has to be an all in, thing, you know, to tell your leadership, Hey, we want to just dedicate a bunch of resource to starting an online kids' ministry. I think there are steps that you can take that can help lead to that, which when you provide enough wins over time, enough momentum and a specific direction that's compelling enough for leadership to, to, to create buying with them, which I think they would see the value in it. I think the first person you know on board is actually your kids' director. because they're going to be not just creating the content, but you gotta be completely aligned. You know, you don't want it to different churches existing like your kids online ministry and then your, your kids in person ministry and you don't want them to think that you're trying to compete with them either.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 45:37 Which is where a lot of people start with online spaces, right? Like all online competes with the weekend. No, it doesn't, it enhances the weekend, but it doesn't compete with the weekend. Allows the same content that you're creating to live on. For a long time and to be leveraged for a lot of people. Why not? Go ahead and kinda like we were talking about create a few resources that your parents can use and put them on digital platforms and promote them and talk about them and leverage them. Often refer back to them and point to them over and over again. you won't create a Bible story for kids, a Bible study for kids. Put that on digital platforms, leverage them often, talk about them often, you know, refer back to them and then use those steps. This way it can come back to your leadership and you can say, look, this thing got like 300 views in the first couple of weeks that it was up.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 46:17 People are out there watching it and you're sharing it. This is what's happening with this. Imagine if we did just a little bit more and don't cast like the whole thing in front of him but just start walking them slowly through this process. Cause the just point, this is very bleeding edge on a lot of fronts and so you don't have to jump all the way in the river there steps that we can take to get there. so before we go off, you know, start starting a bunch of different, you know, side projects competing with all the different content creators that are out there for kids materials. Let's see if we can take some steps in the right direction to help provide resources for both kids and parents to grow in their relationship with Jesus.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 46:55 It's really good. And let your in. I love the idea of Rey, of your like start, you know, bring the children's director, bring the kids director in early. I would even say let them define it. Let them create the why of it. You know, you've heard, you've heard Rey and I ramble on about kids' ministry and we're, we're not the experts in this you have a staff expert. And so letting them define it is going to give them the ownership down the road when there's tension, when things are being called into play, when there's questions, when there's evaluating for how to make it better. If they own it at the beginning, they're going to own it in that season.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 47:36 Absolutely. That's great. I'll just switch gears just a little bit. you know, obviously there's a lot of talk about micro churches and in the online space, what does a successful kid's ministry look like? And you guys alluded to some challenges that come with that earlier, but,
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 48:07 Yeah, we've got a couple right now that are meeting outside of the Peoria area that would not be able to travel to get here. we've got one in the quad cities, which is about an hour and a half to two hours away from us. We've got a group of 15 people that meet at a house and they kind of rotate between each of the couples houses each week. And, you know, one of the questions that they're asking is, you know, how do we minister to our kids in that setting? You know, and what does that look like? Is it continues to grow. And, one of the approaches that we're, as a church, moving to is we're really gonna use our micro churches as a way to plant churches cause we're moving from a multisite approach to a church planning approach. Okay. and so that's just one of the things that we're kind of wrestling with cause, and that's been asked of our micro locations of like, we're having a hard time figuring out what to do with our kids when we're meeting.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 49:10 Our biggest one, they have 15 people that are there. And there were a couple of them that have kids. It's not a huge demographic of children, but there are some kids that are represented there.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 49:24 Hmm. So this is the challenge in terms of liability, cause I remember Jeff, we talked about this with Danny Hicks, I believe too at elevation in terms of their watch parties and, and how this has kind of become, you know, a bit of an issue and, and you know, it's a problem that'll eventually get solved, but there's a lot of issues in terms of liability. if we, if if you say, Hey, we've got kids' ministry at these locations, that that's problematic in the sense of, well that comes with a lot of expectations. Should a kid get hurt even if the kids are just, Hey, playing outside in the backyard, jumping on a trampoline and all of a sudden one kid falls, breaks their arm. Okay, what happens now as the person hosting, you know, the watch party or the micro location liable? And the answer unfortunately is yes to a degree. And then the character also becomes liable if it, if it falls underneath that umbrella of, Hey, we're an expression of the church wherever we're at. And so that's where you want to be very, very careful of how you express, Hey, kids are welcome here, et cetera. Or Hey, we want to do kids ministries, these micro locations for right now. That may be an unwise thing because there's not a great solution on that front for kids.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 50:33 Yeah, I dunno, Rey. a lot of the same, this, this, I've literally had this conversation, the same liability you have with, with kids at a micro location. It's the same liability you have with kids at a small group, at somebody's house. Like you're already, your church is already taking some of this risk on by doing things at houses. And so there is an inherent risk with that. It was interesting. Yeah. I mean, but it is right.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 51:02 Yes and no. And this, this is where, this is where, and I remember having these discussions with our higher ups on this according to the insurance riders and stuff. And this is where you've got to be careful about what a micro location is and how it's defined in terms of, Hey, this is a mini location cause you know they're just having a, we don't describe small groups as like a pop up store, you know what I'm saying? Or a pop up location. But these micro locations are described in that kind of light. So in the same way, yeah, if there's a difference between like a pop up store, best buy in a mall or something along those lines, that's carrying the brand a lot heavier than something else. And so that's where small groups get a little bit different treatment versus a micro location. You know what I'm saying?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 51:48 That's that's where in terms of the branding and you know this is where legal jargon comes into play. And look, I've got family that are, that studied the law and their lawyers and stuff, but this is where they tend to win or where they tend to go after folks. Hey wait, you guys have defined this as church property now. That right there is kind of what places you in the realm of liability. That's what, that's where I would say you gotta be careful with it, you know, and yeah even if they don't win the case, Jeff, it's the fact that they're going to go after you and the fact that it's going to cost you a lot in legal fees and they're gonna go after the church, it's going to cost you a lot in legal fees with it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 52:23 Yeah. Kyle, this isn't necessarily a conversation that you wanted to have, but this actually gets back right to Jay Kranda with his, his movement of micro, his movement of micro is, is less of, Hey, I'm going to gather 50 people in Phoenix, Arizona together because I've got 50 viewers and I'm trying to gather these people together. His expression of micro, what he's working at now is I've got one person in Phoenix that knows 10 people that don't know Jesus and I'm going to disciple or to the point that she can go out and start to gather these 10 people in to their church. And so that approach is far more, engaging is a better word. Healthy is a better word. I'm trying to think of a good word. I'm sorry. is, is a lot safer. I mean you're, you're, if you're bringing in 10 of your friends into your house and four of them have kids, that's, that's a lot safer opportunity, which is actually why it's probably small groups is a little safer of an environment because you don't have random strangers walking in, which honestly having done the microsite model that was, Hey, let's try to cluster these people together.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 53:32 It is kind of weird when you're like, Hey, I want to post your website, your name on our, your address. Oh my address on our website. And people are just going to randomly show up. Like that's, that's, that's weird. And so there is, chances are your organization as Northwoods already has some sort of solution for that at, at, at the micro level. but a lot of that is if it's a safer environment, you don't necessarily have some of those worries or you're less worried about that. The other part of this is, and I hate to even like play this card, but it's worth doing. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you have to do kid's ministry, like, that even kids ministry itself I think was, I think, Kyle, you may have been there, but Jason Morris is actually talking about this at the Church IT Network.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 54:22 I think he said it was like late eight hundreds when the church is trying to kind of figure it out. Oh, we gotta separate the kids into something. So they farmed them out into like the school classrooms or something. I don't know. But at the end, at the end of the day, you know, I would even challenge a little bit of at, at the micro level, let's not figure out how to shuffle the kids off into a daycare cause if the best that you can generate on your own as daycare, then yeah, let's figure out how to make it inclusive and make them, make them a part of it. and so it's a hard question. It causes people to question some of the values of they may already have within their church organization. But like a micro location to the end of planting churches should not die. That movement should not stop to exist because we don't know what to do with our eight year old.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 55:14 Right. And you know Jeff and, and you're 100% right. This is kind of a struggle in terms of the model. If you're looking for a micro location to be an exact microcosm of what you create on Sunday morning, that that, that are right there is already going to be flawed. So if you want to check in kids and kind of shuffle them off to a bedroom or a playroom or something along those lines, that's going to be flawed in the same way that I wouldn't want greeters at my micro location. You know, I'm not going to have people out in front of my house like, Hey, welcome to Christ fellowship and come on in and raise sofas right there and the fridge is there and yeah, with the street signs and the whole nine and branded tee shirts and all that stuff. So, you know, I mean if that's the model you're going for then then that's, that's a model to go forward.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 55:58 But that's going to be something that's difficult to replicate over and over and over again, which is kind of where it comes into play where it's something to Jeff's point that looks a lot more like small groups. I mean I tell every couple that comes in with kids in my Small Group's. Hey if the kids run in cause they got to go to the bathroom. It's okay. I don't want you to freak out. You know, if we've got to stop the Bible study because somebody got a booboo, it's okay. They're free to run in there and play and play with the toys and have fun with the kids and all that stuff. And then for those of you without kids that are here in the small group, I just want you to understand that that's what this is. I want you guys to get used to it.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 56:31 I want you to treat them like your nieces and nephews and just totally be okay with them running around and being all right with that. Are you guys good with that? Yep. If you're not, that's okay. We'll help get you matched to another group. There's other churches, there's other places for people to connect. If they're not connecting because kids are running in and out of the house and having a good time. Well man, that that just may not be for them. And I know I sound mean by saying it, but man, there's way too many free expressions of church out there for you to try go lead one if it's not good enough for you.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 57:00 Yeah. Well gentlemen, that's all I've got as far as questions so far for today.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 57:06 It was, it was super helpful. Yeah. Especially around the micro church. I had even thought about the legal side of it. So that's, that's super helpful just to know. But yeah, I truly appreciate your guys's your time and your wisdom.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 57:21 Kyle, we appreciate you bringing up the conversation, man. It's something that we talk about quite often still to this day, because, you know, in our heart, and Jeff's in a new church and I'm still here at CF and our heart, they're still very much as a place for this. Nobody's figured it out yet, but there's a place for this. And so, yeah. You know, we're hoping that somebody picks it up and it may be you, we hope, we hope you pick up the Rubik's cube and run with it, man.
  
    
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  Kyle Schultz: 57:42 Yeah, yeah. I'm really excited. I just, I mean, as we've been talking about two different sides of it, like how can we equipped parents, you know, like, I definitely think I lean more toward that side of it with regard to this whole kids online thing. So, yeah. That's exciting. So I'm excited.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:00 Episode 42 of The Church Digital Podcast. We get a lot packed into this episode here. You know some of the most fun we have here on The Church Digital is when we pack a bunch of people on a call or in our room somewhere and basically just talk church online stuff. What's working, what's not working, what are we going to try next, stuff like that. Well, this is essentially what we've done in this week's episode. We brought together five people from around the country who are doing some sort of church online and let them talk and basically learn from each other, figuring out what to do next. The best part is we brought in people from different denominations, different strategies, even different sizes of church together for this conversation from a 20,000 person gigachurch all the way down to a sub-100 person church, we hit on different topics in the conversation from creating community, discipleship, volunteering, micro locations, and finally, did somebody say digital church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:01:02 If you want to skip around the podcast to hear certain topics, feel free. We've included the time code in the show notes so you can dive in there. By the way, these are the types of conversations we have regularly with church online. If you're interested in jumping into a church online cohort just like this, get more information at thechurch.digital. I'll let the guests introduce themselves in a minute. But for now, let's go ahead and welcome to the podcast, Andy Mage, Mark Brandt, TJ Winters, Adrienne Feldman, and Joe Radosevich and the first of hopefully many church online cohorts. Hey everybody. Here you go. Hey, Mark, why don't you take a minute, introduce yourself, your church online ministry. Tell us a little bit about yourself.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:01:47 Sure. Mark Brandt, Digital Outreach Minister for Lutheran Church of Hope in West Des Moines, Iowa. We're a church of around 20,000 plus members, six campuses, five microsites, about 12,000 annual worship or average worship and we started screaming about five years ago, which is about the time that I came on board with our online ministry. And, my real heart has been to start and get people connected, that can't or don't live near one of our current campuses. So the idea of those microsites is really where my heart beats is just connecting people to the larger church story and it's awesome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:03:20 That's awesome. We've come a long way from windows media player, real networks. Do you remember that? That was, I don't even know if that was around in 2005 but like that was the prerequisite to some of that stuff and that was, that was crazy. And some millennials somewhere. It's like what? But that's, that's another conversation. Then we've got Adrienne, who's in Kentucky, I want to say that's right? Yes. I did something right. Kentucky. Tell us a little about yourself.
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:03:47 My name is Adrienne Feldman. I'm at Northeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky. Actually our very first online campus pastor. We started streaming our services like three years ago, but it's really been just pushing play and letting people watch the services for a long time. So my job actually, I started as an intern in January as in Bible college, and I wrote the plan for how we were going to go from just online streams into an online campus. And they said, Hey, do you want a job? And I said, okay. So I'm here kind of trying to translate that from just streaming to a full fledged campus and match that with kind of our churches DNA.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:04:56 Sure. Yeah. I am the online campus pastor for Bay hope church. formerly Vandyke United Methodist. We are a Methodist Church. or, we've got what, three campuses about four micro site. we run about 3000-4,000 on a weekend, that type of thing. Like TJ, we were very early into streaming. Bay Hope's been streaming since 2006, 2007, right around there. Like TJ, the tech is the least of the worries right now. They brought me on, actually I was a worship pastor for 10 years, 12 years, but 10 of them full time. And they brought me on, to be the pastor over this, this brand new wing, kind of the, they, they saw this opportunity for digital discipleship. And that's kind of where I'm at is I've been in the job six or seven months now and it's, we're getting to form community, we're getting to form groups, we're getting to form relationships in this weird online context and it's so rewarding and it's so challenging all at the same time.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:06:16 So my name is Joe Radosevich. I am the lead and only pastor of Belgium community church in Belgium, Wisconsin. This is a church plant. We had 55 people on Sunday and we use really online tools to extend our reach. Really all throughout our area. This is an area where most churches have closed their doors most and most, if not many towns have no Christian Church at all. It's kind of strange to be in an area where lots of people have never heard the gospel. That doesn't make any sense to them. If they wanted to go to a church, there's not a church to go to. So we, this is actually a church that closed its doors. We restarted after a year and a half. We restarted. So as a church plant, just been in conversations with Jeff because we kind of function as an online church with a physical campus because that extends our reach. And our ability to disciple all week. So because we're small and I'm the only pastor, that means that some things that would take a chain of command to do it, we can just say, Hey, that sounds good. Let's try it. So that's kind of where we're at.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:09:32 Yeah, so it's funny, Adrienne. Back when I stepped into this position here are a social media coordinator, this brilliant, brilliant lady named Jessica. She had had that same idea, Hey, we're going to set up a group. It was just a, it was an online campus quote unquote group and it was around for a couple of months and she just started inviting people that were normally involved in any sort of chat that we had. And it was really rudimentary at the time. We had like 30 people. So it was just like this kind of core group of people I stepped in and I said, okay, that's great. We need to really start pushing that. And so we've, you know, we've grown, we have like just under 300 people right now. It's great, it's fine. Awesome. It is what it is, but it's the, how do we keep them connected throughout the week type of mentality.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:10:16 And what I've found and what I'm trying to do in 2020 is to be less intentional about the things I say and more intentional about engaging with people on their level. Because I came in with this sort of blistering mentality. Hey, I'm gonna bazooka down this wall and everybody's going to be best friends and we're all gonna want to get coffee with each other, except we all live all over the country and all over the world. And what I've found is the organic creation of community will happen. You just need to give it time. I'm not, I'm not very time friendly. I like to, I'm very type a and very thousand miles an hour. You know, one of the things I'm trying to be intentional about in 2020 is, is letting that, that community organize itself and then pastoring into that and over that instead of, doing the thing that I did.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:11:07 My wife and I, and this is gonna be a quick little story, my wife and I, back when I was worship leading, we stepped away from worship ministry to open a nonprofit faith-based gym. And it was kind of this CrossFit high intensity type gym. And we were very intentional about community building then. And that's how the gym grew. And gym's still around all these other things. And so we had to force meetings and gatherings and all these other things and we had this very tangible, very present present thing of, Hey, you guys are doing these intense workouts, you're suffering your brothers and sisters in arms type thing. We don't really have that shared experience in the online community around we have that maybe one hour that everybody's watching something and then we have the rest of the week where we need to let things happen. And so I just want to see things bubble up throughout the rest of the year and, and respond into that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:11:52 Is there, is there an intentionality shift though when you do something like that? Like if you want to intentionally like create a community 365 days a year, but your main vehicle for creating contents that we can services that happens, you know, one hour on Sunday, like you're going to run out of content for that 365, like how are you intentionality or how do we intentionality create community 365 days a year?
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:12:18 So the plan that we've been outlining with our comms and our creative team has been to create content such that it creates conversation. And what I mean by that is we're kind of creating videos, podcasts, reading blogs, you know, things that will intentionally ask one big question each time. And that one big question is then does that, so I'll give you an example, we're making, this entire video series for the, none of the above the none is what we're calling it. This, this, this video series on sexuality and, and, and the Bible and spirituality, you know, all the thing, all the questions that's been under answering. And we have, we have, a couple of really brilliant graphic designers. One one of our junior designers, she's actually not a believer, which is really cool to have on our staff. And she's kind of just fresh out of college and all this other things.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:13:08 And she loves her church and loves the people and loves, but she, she lives in that world, but she doesn't really believe in Jesus. And yet she still wants to be around us. And so we start asking her, Hey, what is so, beautiful? What do you, what do you like about this? And so she started answering, so our director of communications, he said, we can do a thing on that. And so we're creating a video series on that. And, and I'll be starting in, we'll have other people that are kind of answering these biblical questions. You know, what if these questions about budgeting and how to adult and how to, how to do taxes and why do we listen to this and why I've lived my entire life without a biblical biblical community. Why do I need one now? That type of thing. Three to five minute videos with one big question attached to it, designed to create engagement. So Jeff, I think you're right in saying there is an intentionality there, but I don't necessarily want to try to force an answer.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:13:59 Joe, you were one that I think was looking for a community as well, but in a small church, does that look different than what they're describing? Like what's the community needs that you guys are hoping to achieve there at Belgium?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:14:11 So one of the differences between us and some of you guys is several of you guys, if not all of you guys are online campus pastors and so your goal ends up staying there. Although I realize some of you want to do some connections outside of that. We ended up use the online, you know, and an all night experience online campus if you will, to drive those personal connections in our community. So the purpose for us to connect people is for discipleship throughout the week. The next step for us, which has been to kind of create an online presence, if you will, an online brand for our community so that people can connect with us at any time is not just connect people with us, but the online community element is can we actually create a community where people minister to each other online.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:15:01 We are really exploring what is the whole purpose of community groups, small groups, those kinds of things. And it's relevant to this because oftentimes churches, at least in my experience at large and small churches has been, we create community groups to serve the church. Our church can grow bigger if people have the community connection in a small group. And so they'll grow as a disciple and our church can grow bigger. The description somebody gave us as a of a toilet bowl where the swirl is basically to try and get everything to the middle. And that's often how we end up using smaller groups, is to serve the church. When the real purpose for any kind of group that we have is how do we actually send them out better. And so that's kinda in my mind as I think through, we want to connect people to each other but not just our church can get bigger or so that we can, you know, just reach more people. Although those are actually find goals and find reasons. But ultimately can we make them, can we equip them to be better disciples by connecting them to each other? And so we're actually sending them out rather than drawing them in.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:16:07 And Joe, if I understand exactly what you're saying and I think the goal, you know, we talk about engagement, we talk about in these things in, in perhaps they the online campus quote unquote a space. But that looks very much like exactly what you're talking about. That looks very much like engagement, not for just time-wasting sake. And not just for, Hey we got another cool video's sake, but really delving into the discipleship aspects of, you know, make the end of the be one make one type mentality that I think we all need to have our online campuses everywhere. Yours included. Cause you know you have an online presence, you can technically call it whatever you want but the online space is such that we have an enormous quick rapid response way of discipleship and I think that's so beautiful. Not just for that, not just for a large church and not just for a small church but for churches everywhere.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:17:02 And that should be the challenge for church online in general. The word church online, and we've talked about this before, it's lost its meaning the majority of churches that are out there that are doing anything in an online community or just broadcasting or just doing that. That one way communication. Billy Graham did that in the 90s he preached one message, a billion people heard it as it was bounced off of 34 satellites around the globe. Online gives us that two way communication. Joe, I love what you said about connecting people to people. That's where the technology is and is now. Well let me ask you a question before we shift off of community, cause I just want to hone in here. Are you guys looking at Facebook as the main community? Are you looking to as the platform for a community, are you looking to create communities and other areas? I'm just curious like the nuts and bolts. Okay. So we say we want to create a community. We want to focus on this. How are you actually doing it?
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:17:54 Well we are starting on Facebook. I like to see Facebook as at a digital church lobby, if you will. You know, we've got all these people who are tuning into a service and never get a chance to walk into a service and have communication with other people. So we're looking at Facebook as that place where people are going to mingle and people are going to chat and all of those kinds of things. But our end goal is to push people into those face to face groups that are going to be away from the internet or if they're going to be participating in any sort of community group that's happening online. It's going to happen a lot like this and a zoom call or with other types of messaging technology that's going to get them in a little bit more face to face, you know, a Google hangout or whatever that's going to look like.
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:18:37 So I don't see Facebook as the, you know, the be all end all the solution that's going to solve all those community problems. But I think it makes a really great living room for people to start having communication with each other and start in the church lobby, like at actual, in the physical locations, you get to observe how other people act and decide who you're going to walk up to and talk to. You can do that on Facebook pretty well. You get to start to see who people are before you make that decision to step into a call with them. So I like the idea of using both of them cause you get these opportunities to observe people from a distance before he really engage. And I think that's important for people, especially our online campus. People who sometimes need a minute to observe before they walk in. A lot of people use online for that anyway.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:19:24 Well I'll tag on that on the end of that as well. We're, we're Facebook. Yes. We're also leaning heavily into YouTube in 2020. We're finding a lot of the demographic around us, the younger demographic, they're shying away from Facebook for very righteous, very, well-known reasons. The Facebook thing is, it's kind of one side, the YouTube side, the YouTube, kind of groups. There is no YouTube group building tool. And so ideally we're funneling everybody, just like you said, Adrian, into zoom calls into discipleship groups and into, small groups like we are in right now. but YouTube is very funny. You can, it's very powerful and yet at the same time it's very expensive and that's the unfortunate part right now.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:20:07 It gets expensive because you're creating, you're paying for a lot of ads and things like that on YouTube to get traction.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:20:12 Yeah. So without a group building tool, without, with, you know, Facebook groups is very powerful. and you know, you can do a lot of stuff with it and we're doing things like that, announcements and notes and discussion groups and things like that within a, a localized group that is branching off of your main Facebook page. YouTube doesn't have that. And the only way that you lately get any visibility is to throw ad dollars at it. We've been running an experiment with our, our worship side of the entire church, throwing some ad dollars at it and watching the subscriber numbers go skyrocketing, just with not meager amounts of money, but, enough money to where you get clicks and get, subscribers and things like that. Now we're going to try to transfer that to our actual YouTube, our actual main YouTube page. But again, the group dynamic is not there, so we need somebody that can speak into chat and draw them somewhere else. So that's kind of the 2020 goal right now.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:21:06 I had a, and you guys are, I've, we've talked about Jay Kranda on the podcast before he's been on recently. And, Jay told me this, this quote once and, and I'm, I'm curious if this is a relative to you guys, if this, if you connect with it in a, in a, in a physical church, there was a time where people would connect to Christ before they would connect to community in virtual church and church online it's easier for people to connect to community before they connect to Christ. I'm just curious, like that's, that was Jay's take, I've seen it go pro and con within your own church and ministries, like does that, do you think that relates, do you see that, what's been your experience?
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:21:46 It's interesting that people are longing for something deeper. I think that's the bottom line, even in what you asked.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:21:53 You know, I get a sense that when we look at who's connecting to us online from around the country, there's a reason for why they're choosing to, to connect with us. You know, even from thousands of miles away versus finding something that might be more in their backyard. And I don't, I'm, I'm trying to discover what that is because, you know, if I can find out what that is, I think then we can best speak into maybe where they're at in life and connect them to a larger story. Well, we're really wrestling with is, you know, how can we create a sense of community that is both authentic, you know, if it's going to remain online or, opens the door to the possibility of in person, you know, so that they could find a connection in real time where they're at. I love the fact that I've got this couple that just joined our church from Redding, California.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:22:40 There are no other Hope folks in Redding, California, you know? And so if they're going to be in a small group, that's going to happen one of two ways and an online group, which will work great for a time. But I think even online groups have a short shelf life in the sense that eventually you're going to want to connect to people that you can have over to your house and sit on a couch with you. And, and so that's an essence. I think, you know, Joe to kind of something you were saying, you know, we're trying to actually use online to get smaller. You know, as, as a large church we want to use online to help people connect smaller. because, you know, otherwise we're just a big church and there's a bar, there's a lot of big churches and being big isn't all it's cracked up to be if you're not connected to somebody intentionally in relationship where you can grow.
  
    
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  TJ Winters: 00:23:24 For the folks that we have watching that we've seen, a lot of them are coming for the word. They want to hear the word, you know, we skew more traditional in general. We're, we're more traditional church. you know, from a liturgical standpoint, at least our practices. So a lot of those folks there, they seem to be less engaged in online chat. They seem less engaged in the comments, they to hear the word they want to connect. Now they will connect with somebody. Maybe after the service email they'll reach out, things like that. But in general, a lot of the people, they want to hear the word, they want to hear the gospel. That's, that's why they're there. They want to grow in their faith and they do grow in their faith by hearing that way if they don't have an opportunity to go anywhere else but I haven't seen as much community for a lot of those folks. It's, it's the word first.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:24:09 TJ, sorry to jump in here are those are, we're kind of wrestling with that, that same thing, right now. Are those folks that are not engaging in chat and I think chat are kind of a push comes to shove type type measurement. Are those folks already engaged in something locally? Are they local to your church? Now? What is the breakdown of that? Do you know?
  
    
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  TJ Winters: 00:24:30 The ones I'm talking about specifically are out of town and sometimes they're shut-ins or, or snow or you know, weather or circumstance, whatever. the folks locally, we have a lot of those folks who, yes, they love the church community, can church, family. but for the, those who are out of town, they're not there to join. for the most part, they're not saying that they're there to join an online small group order, engage and have these conversations in the chat. They're there for the service.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:24:55 The hardest part of church online and to, to get it to be a justified, full functioning ministry is discovering the people who are watching the services and get them can, getting them connected into a discipleship pathway, into something groups, next steps, membership, you know, whatever it is. That's the thing that, that we have to work the hardest on as, as online ministers.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:25:21 That's not different from the physical church. By the way. The hardest thing from a physical church is as, as a campus pastor, as a multisite, okay, we just watched this, this message. Now I need my job as a campus pastor is to get these people connected into, into ministry. And you know, they're wanting to run through that lobby as quick as possible to not engage, to not talk to people, to not. and so like that's, that's the challenge before the church is to really figure out how to create opportunities for people to connect in community, to, to get that next step to, to get involved in it. And that's, that's not an online problem. That's a church problem.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:26:01 Then that's a robust issue. You know, when you think about, you know, obviously an online, we cannot recreate everything that, that a brick and mortar church can do and there are certain things that still I think in the church need to be experienced in person. And yet at the same time, we have an opportunity in the online sphere to, to really care for people in a unique way. You know, so when one of our growth curves for this next year is noticing that, you know, online folks have the same care needs, that folks that walk through our doors have, how do we do pastoral care for somebody who is a thousand miles away? How do we connect with local churches there that might be able to provide, you know, much needed help and resources for somebody who's in need that we can't provide from as far away as we are. So there's a, there's an inner connectedness to what we're trying to do in the online sphere as well because we never want to assume that whoever that IP address is that's watching us from Saskatchewan, Canada or wherever it might be has has got this wonderful, wow, isn't it great they stumbled upon us. This is awesome. They must be a perfect person and great have this. No, there's a reason why they're connecting with us and getting to know what that reason is also involves care, discipleship, mentorship. It's a big, big, deep, awesome challenge too beyond just, Hey, we're putting something out over the airwaves.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:27:24 And, and I think that's really an a, I don't know Andy, one of your goals was, was talking about that discipleship piece, but it really comes down to who had the, who is, who had the people in Redmond, California earlier. Mark. Okay, great. Mark, you've got two people in Redmond. They're all by themselves. And to your point Mark, you said, Hey, at some point they need to get into a physical relationship. Cause even talking to a zoom there, there's a a limit to that. And, and I, I agree, which opens up, you know, a discipleship relationship where now I'm going to empower these two people with Redmond, California. My job is to disciple them to the place where they can start their own group. You know, maybe they want to stay connected with, with my church where I'm at and, but my job is not to get them addicted to my content, my job is to empower them and create a, a disciple maker who's capable of making disciples in Redmond. And if that equals a small group, if that equals a micro location and some of these other things that, that we're, we're talking about, then that's awesome. If that just equals somebody who's dedicated to, to God, that's pretty cool too. but at the end of this, it's not a consumer product of church online. If anything, I think there's more, should be more intentionality and focus towards creating disciples virtually. Then there is is physically, Andy, you had, you had some questions on discipleship or, or a goal, like what's the context of what you're trying to achieve discipleship down there at Bay? Hope.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:28:58 I mean, it's kind of like exactly what Mark was just talking to them about. It's the idea that, well first of all groups then it just groups at the base level, our church right now, we're in a weird transition phase where groups are there but they're not really there and just like, wow, you know what? I'm just going to create groups and I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to rip it apart. And that's not really healthy. And that's not really team-building. And that's not really team-oriented. We did it. I mean we've been over this the fall of 2019 we were doing kind of a test flight in the groups and how's it going to work? And I was just running kind of a test group just to see and it was great. It worked perfectly fine. The technology again was never going to be the issue.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:29:34 It was always going to be the content and how the content was distributed. I've led small groups for 10 years of my life, so I know how to lead small group. None of that was, was the thing. It was the actual one-to-one connection with people. And what I found was, one of the guys that I was in a group with the, in the group with, he and I, we just have it started having regular one-on-ones, just call and still do, but actual physical coffee with each other. so he would drive from his house and I would drive from my house and we would meet in the middle. Luckily he lived like within 15 minutes of church. So it wasn't that big of a deal. I think right around this time, Jay Kranda put something out about microsighting and I went, ah, this is the way of the future, isn't it?
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:30:15 And I would just kind of unabashedly let my head fall and went, okay, how do we do that? How in our context, because what Jay is doing out on the West coast looks completely different than what we're doing on the East coast. His culture, his people, everybody's totally different and deservedly so. Then on our side, how do I as a pastor speak into the lives of people with the truth of Jesus, with the mission of the church, all with the love and care of the Holy spirit. How do I then make disciples, not in the name of Bay Hope, but in the name of Jesus. How do we do that? But I'm finding that I'm having to reorient my metrics as well. So gone is the, Hey man, we had this many views and this many likes and this many clicks and this much traffic gone is that, and now it's being replaced by three things that every church does.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:31:06 Number one, love God. Number two, love people. Number three, make disciples. And it's that number three piece that I'm actually starting to put a goal around a numerical quote unquote goal. Because obviously you need, you need to have signposts and you need to have, you need to have goalposts when you're judging effectiveness of ministry or else you're just going to spin your tires a little bit. So I guess for everybody else, my question to you guys is, is how do you judge disciple-making and what are you doing to make disciples in your online groups right now?
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:31:40 Can I suggest that the question would also be what is a disciple?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:31:42 Very good. Let's define what a disciple is.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:31:47 Our discipleship, a pastor here, the phrase he often uses is you look like a sheep from the front and a Shepherd from the back. That's, you know, in the sense that you're following somebody, but you're also leading others. You know, and you know, every, I think everybody has to be fall somewhere on that spectrum. You have to, it's a both and relationship. But being able to articulate your faith is, I think another big thing is that you have a story you can articulate. Doesn't mean it's perfect. It doesn't mean you've got it all figured out yet. But I think it's something that you recognize. You know, there's, there's a growth here. One of our core values is, following Jesus is a growing experience. You know, we haven't yet arrived. And so I think a disciple, somebody who's also, you know, constantly in that refining mode, you know, where am I pressure points now, what are the things that I need to identify that I'm working on my own personal faith, whether that's in your, in your own personal growth and quiet times or whether that's in a small group are, or whether it's in a community group of some way, shape or form that you're constantly working toward. knowing Jesus more fully.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:32:51 Go ahead Joe.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:32:53 So we've really wrestled with this. and we define a disciple as somebody that is growing in the character and leadership of Jesus. Okay. We use an X and Y axis. Character is the X axis and Y the Y axis is leadership or practices. Because what we don't want is somebody with high character, but no, they don't live like Jesus. They're a sweet person, but nobody would ever follow them for a moment. But we also don't want somebody that has all the leadership of Jesus but not the character cause they can do great damage. And so we invite people specifically to grow in the character and leadership or the character and practices of Jesus. And we find that that helps people crystallize. Okay, I know that there's character. I need to grow. I know that there's leadership or practice does I need to grow. And so then that helps us train them to help others do the same thing. So anyway, that's how we define it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:33:44 Whether it's, a bad mullet, like a sheep in the front and a shepherd in the back or more of the character and leadership, of it. there's a couple metrics there to, to look at. What's interesting is, I don't know that one hour on Sunday does a really good job of creating that type of person, which unfortunately the butts in seats metric is probably the most valued metric within a church. So what's your attendance on Sunday? Whether you're being successful or whether you're not successful? Is gauged strictly, at least in churches that I've worked with is gauged very strongly on that attendance on, on Sunday. Do you guys relate to that? Maybe like what are some other metrics that move you away from that one hour on Sunday that really start to move towards measuring maybe a more holistic view, 168 hour a week view of, of whether your church is successful or not.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:34:44 Okay. Just nickels and noses, right? We've got to get away from that. I mean, I'm not, but I mean that's, that's the, that's the reality of it. Let's, let's count the people, let's, let's count the money and then we, we just, we get stuck because our church, there's so much more to the church than one hour on Sunday at least I hope there is. If we're truly out there going and making disciples per Matthew 28, we got to do something more than that one hour. So, and actually Brady, what's the guy's name? Shearer. Yeah man. He wrote a great article on this. It was on pro church tools. We'll include a link on the, in the show notes. But for what he said there, and he was talking about how we shouldn't be measuring the one we should be measuring one hour a week.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:35:29 We should be measuring 168. And really what it comes down to is, is that to effectively measure the one 68, you don't count the people who are attending the service on Sunday. You really count like that next step. The thing that's after the one hour on Sunday cause your effectiveness in getting, creating disciples is hopefully your church has a plan for it. It's just you need to measure that next step of getting people on that pathway for it because the discipleship isn't happening on Sunday. Most churches, you know, are of the size and especially the ones that are talking year, Joe aside, like you're not going to get the intimacy, the one on one conversations, that relational equity out of a, of a giga church or a mega church service. There's, there's pros to that. There's things that you can do in a mega church service that you can't do in a small, but there's a lot of things you can do in a small that you can't do in a bit. Mark, I think you were the one that said you want a church online to be the effort to make things smaller instead of big. That was it. That was a great line as well. What is your all's discipleship? Maybe just even for your physical church, what is your discipleship process look like? Like what's the goal after the physical church service? What's next?
  
    
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  TJ Winters: 00:36:46 We always encourage people, we want them growing in their faith. So we want them attending more than just Sunday morning. We want them to go to a Bible class. And whether that is in person or on podcasts, we recommend people do that. We also recommend and ask them to go to a retreat. We have a annual men's women's and youth retreats to grow closer, with others and grow closer in the faith with God and just kind of have a reset. And then we also, encourage people to be in small groups and that's that community connection. and to serve, we have a lot of serving opportunities. So it's, it's, we don't have a specific step one is always this, it's encouraging wherever you are in your walk or where ever you feel called to at that moment. We, we try to provide as many opportunities as we can to do all of that.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:37:33 For us and I haven't seen it yet, but it's, I think it's almost ready to go live. Our adult team has developed a, an assessment tool, if you will. we offer a ton of things and it's so hard for a new, a new guest to decide, okay, where do I intersect with, what should I do first? And so what I'm gathering from what they're telling us is that this assessment tool is really simple. It takes, you know, time to fill out and it'll help give you some next steps. It isn't a one Oh one two, Oh one three, Oh one concept. It's more of a, Hey, this seems like it's going to interest you and it'll give you some categories under which you might fall within, whether it's marriage and parenting, whether it's, financial planning, you name it. It's going to help them navigate our class offerings in a way that's going to be more helpful to them with where it applies to, to what I get to do. I've asked the adult team then to take that same assessment tool or that, those same things that we're offering and helped me understand how to bring those into the, so I've asked them for a three tiered approach, with what they're going to offer. the first year being, Hey, these things should have been online yesterday, you know, and make and do an effort to start to bring those available whether on demand or in real time. The second tier are the things that we want to bring online in 2020, we're maybe not ready yet. Well we know we want to have them available to our online folks, whether they're five feet down the street or 500 miles around, the state. that's the next year. The third tier are those things that we identify. We'll probably never go online that are still best experienced in person. I can't tell you what those are, but I've asked them to give me some of those things so that we can develop a strategy, to best maximize our, our efforts, especially with regard to folks that primarily intersect with us online. Because this, this idea that, you know, we are going to have people show up at a specific time, you know, in a specific place I think is almost not possible anymore. And we have to begin to offer them chances to grow beyond just showing up on Thursday at seven o'clock in classroom 201.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:39:47 Joe, what do you do?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:39:48 So we really spend a ton of time on trying to define what a disciple is because if we couldn't define what it was and people couldn't grab their hands around it, then we would just be doing stuff, which we've done some of. But we just decided, Hey, let's just go slow and wait until we, you know, discern what does it mean for it to be a disciple in this, in this area, 30 minutes North of Milwaukee. And so now that we have some clarity around that, around who God has made us as a church vision and values, we've actually now been able to make momentum. We, we ask everybody who's new to our church to go through an eight week small group. It's the kind of thing that could be done in person or online, but it really helps embed in somebody's life. Some just life changing DNA that we've seen multiple generations of people being changed by it.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:40:38 So then we'll recruit somebody from the last generation that was really growing and just being changed by it to learn to lead it. So that becomes some forward momentum in them. And then, we have small, we call them discipleship cohorts. I don't have a good word for it. I hate all the discipleship words but it's just three guys that meet with me on Thursday morning for six months where we're growing, trying to grow in the character and leadership of Jesus. And so with the goal that after really some foundational stuff and growing in those ways, my hope is to, if not all three of those guys within be leading other groups. So that's, that's our real main discipleship pathway with the in between is more topical small groups. Cause I found in an area that's a fluent where people can travel and be in all different places.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:41:31 Kids sports mean a whole lot. Asking somebody to be longterm committed to a group for the sense of the group doesn't really help. But by saying, Hey, we're going to be spending eight weeks meeting in my home on Sunday evening over dinner, learning. What does it mean for me to minister one another ministry? Kind of to another believer w it might, you could call it discipleship or counseling or whatever, but Hey, we're going to meet for eight weeks around this topic or have somebody, Hey me, eight weeks learning and looking at the issue of sexuality as we raise kids in a world where it feels like, well, you know, things are up upside down and we don't know, how do we talk about these issues? How do we think about them? From a Christian perspective, people really gravitate towards an, a time-based topical thing, and so those are kind of the three strands just growing in the character and leadership of Jesus.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:42:19 Well, and that's, that's where it really gets fun, right? Once you start to get people who are are set free by the gospel, that's where you start seeing things like volunteering, volunteer culture, volunteer recruitment skyrocket because they understand the personal mission of what's involved in it. That's where you start to see people wanting to really get interested in, in the, micro locations and starting to do things in different areas, which is another opportunity to create a disciple to the level that they can now start to impact other people, through a micro location or through a small group or something like that. So I know several of you, part of your goal was, was volunteering for 2020, increasing the culture of that as well as, maybe creating some micro locations and starting to do that. Mark, you're doing micro now. Why don't you just tell us a little bit of that flavor of what micro looks like up in Iowa?
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:43:14 To be honest with you, it's so funny how God works cause we sort of stumbled into it. The rock church, miles McPherson and I didn't even know those things existed. when we first started it, it was literally a group of folks in a town North of us that had a connection to our church that were worshiping each of them online. separately. That said, what would it look like if we started to get together to do this? And then when they reached out to me, I just, and I, I've known these folks cause they were from a town that I, I did ministry in for a short time. I didn't have a reason to say no, but I didn't know what, I didn't know what it was. And I knew one of them worked at the Y in this small town and I said, isn't there a community room at the Y?
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:43:52 You can see if you can, you know, reserve that. And sure enough that it was available. So they reserved this community room. There was a screen that they could pull down on the wall. they found a projector. They connected it to a computer. They put up a couple of speakers and boom. I had a group of about 20 people in a small town, North Iowa that were worshiping with hope online. Hmm. Didn't know what it meant other than the fact that we S it just started, we didn't have a name for it. it just was, it was there. now as I found, I found out later, this is what a microsite was, you know, but we didn't know that. We just said, here's a group of people that wanted to work for, well, fast forward a bit. There was a couple in another town, just to the South of them, that herb, we were doing this and said, man, this would be great if hope would come to our town.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:44:40 And now all of a sudden this little, you know, kind of organic project on the side was, was starting to gain some traction and I thought, we better get a grasp of, of what this means. And that's when I reached out to the folks at like McLean Bible church out in McLean, Virginia, and talked to the online pastor at the rock church in San Diego and said, you know, what is this idea of micrositing? And literally it was just empowering people to worship where they were, you know, developing a popup church, you know, where it didn't take a lot of overhead, you know, as far as you know, you didn't need to have the, the huge building to pull this off. We didn't need staff to pull it off. It literally was an equipping the believers to worship together. and the fact that we could do it through online was was awesome.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:45:21 Yeah. So now we've, we've got, currently we have five microsites or local sites is what we call them. Cause I'm not a big fan of the word micro. That's just a personal thing. I think micro field, small local just is more friendly I think. And we're hoping this year to start as many as three or four more. and then the goal of those wasn't to launch campuses. A nice byproduct of that model is that we've had one grow to a campus size, but we didn't set it up as a numerical. You know, this is your goal. You have to get to 120 people, you know, before we consider you healthy. No, that wasn't the goal. A local site can remain a local site for as long as they're, they want to be, you know, while there's, you know, there's still some growth things.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:46:06 We've already even talked about discipleship and many of those are happening. But our first goal in this was just to develop the small worshiping communities. We are finding that these are popping up in places where there wasn't another necessarily viable option for people to go to. So, if we can be a part of that, we, we're, we're happy to do.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:46:22 How do you, so you want to launch four or five? Like how do, how are you recruiting? How are you training? How are you finding like, what's, what's the plan in 2020?
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:46:33 That is a great question because here's where, where we, kind of run into some interesting, discussions were a part of a bigger family. and so in many of these places, there have been churches that are within our denomination that have existed. Maybe they're not viable anymore, maybe they've closed but, regardless, there are times when there's, there's another, there's another player in the pool if you will. so we're trying to be, so there's denominational concerns within your questions. Yeah, there are. We definitely want to be good neighbors to our other, friends that are within our denomination. so my answer when folks say, Hey, shouldn't hope be here isn't always an automatic yes. We, and in fact the first delineator is we, we don't launch a site anywhere where we're not first invited, where there isn't somewhat of a hope connection. It's not like I look at a map and pointed it and go, man, let's go there. it starts by somebody reaching out to us. In fact, I'll just speak really quickly about our the one that's kind of on the edge right now. There's a a town that's about 45 minutes to the North and West of us and there's a couple that's been driving and she's, the wife is one of our small group leaders in our junior high confirmation ministry and they have identified that, Hey, there's a bunch of families out in this town that call Hope their church home and there isn't a Lutheran church in our town right now.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:48:00 could hope be a possibility. And my first thought was, gosh, this should be great. Let's talk about that some more. She and I met, I met with her husband and they went out and they recruited six other families that have said, Hey, we would love for this to happen. And so the next step for us is to get that group together and to start to build into them as a launch team. You know, what does this mean?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:48:19 Essentially? Yeah. You're, you're watching the service online, but part of doing that location, I, I hesitate you are as microsite now cause you don't like the word. I'm kidding but part of that microsite is that your the, these people are now at some level, spiritually responsible. Like they're, they're shepherding the people that are there. like I know people do micro that would call these volunteers, campus pastors, like they have that, that level of, of responsibility. You as a volunteer and now a campus pastor for the 20, 30, 40 people that are, that are at this location.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:48:52 So, and I and I meet with those high level leaders, once or twice a month. just to make sure, you know, my, my role for them is to make sure we're staying, we're staying on the, on the train tracks, you know, because there is a responsibility there. We want to be faithful to this and that, that's where, you know, the hope DNA is the phrase we use a lot. We, we infuse the hope DNA across that, that channel, so that if somebody shows up to our local site in forest city, Iowa, they'll get who we are. You know, hopefully within that first, you know, blush, you know, they'll know a bit about who we are as a church. You know, from the way that these volunteers, you know, go back to that character thing that Joe was talking about through the way that they are. They're not perfect, but what we want them to understand that they represent a bigger story than just themselves. And so we spend a lot of time pouring into those folks to make sure that we have the right folks in.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:49:39 I know Adrienne, I know you were, you were one that also said you're doing micro, right? You're, you're considering starting this. This would be your first, right?
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:49:47 Yeah. This will be our first. we actually, we have the full support of our elder team behind doing the microsite thing. They're really, really psyched about it because they want us to start going down this micro path as like our path toward multi-sites, but in a little bit of an unconventional way. they're kind of disenchanted with the way that multi-sites are usually planted by kind of following the money and the people that we have already. You know, we can really put all of our resources behind planting a multisite in this place or this place, you know, and so what they love about microsites is that can plant with it, you know, 60 bucks, right? Like a a Chromebook and a TB that somebody already has. It's something that is a little bit easier to do. But one of the things that we have struggled with a little bit and trying to figure out what launching micro-sites looks like for us as a church is that we have a little bit of a different DNA than most of the other churches in our area.
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:50:49 We're really super outreach focused. We we're in Louisville, Kentucky, we've been calling ourselves the love the bill church and we've got some really successful outreach efforts. We maybe have poured even a little too much into outreach over the last five years or so. And so we're trying to kind of pull that back and, and pair outreach with a little bit more intentional discipleship. And so it's been my job to figure out what it looks like to marry our really, really awesome outreach program with planting microsites. And so our big dream is to, and this is, I mean I don't know if it's going to work. We are crossing our fingers and praying a lot, but our big dream is to launch our first microsite, actually in a children's hospital here in town. we know that there are a lot of people who are there in the hospital who basically live there.
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:51:40 You know, you've got people who are waiting for organ transplants or who are living for months on end doing chemo or things like that. And there are parents of these kids who just don't want to leave the hospital, can't leave the hospital, never get to go and do church or be a part of a church community anywhere in any way, shape or form. And so by bringing church to them, we're going to give them an opportunity to start building community around something that is more positive than the medical kind of catastrophes that they're facing on a daily basis. So our hope is that we can deploy some of our high level leaders, some of our really strong volunteers to go into the hospital and bring a hot meal and create a venue where people can experience both the church service, which we think is important to bring to them. You know, the weekend service experience, but also community and also love and also outreach and all of those things married in one place. So that's our big first. You know, Q1 Q2 2020 trying to get that off the ground. But that's our dream for micro sites for for 2020s to marry outreach and the microsite in into one kind of really holistic ministry space.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:52:54 Yeah, that's taking a list. Some cues there sounds like from a Tyler Samson up at First Capitol Christian, their Church Anywhere program where they're doing that, they're going into, they're doing their micro locations, not in hotels or like ballrooms are there, things like that. Not that it's wrong, but they're being much more aggressive towards going to where people are in rehab centers and in orphanages and afterschool centers and prisons. Like, it's amazing what happens when you start to that environment of church, move it outside of the building and get it more engaged to where, where people are like there's a model of this from a multisite perspective, which is the win. you know, and, and I've, I've worked with multisite churches and I've launched a ton of campuses and it's, it's awesome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:53:45 I love the model of multisite because it puts the power of a church and in the community. and you've got pastors that are running at the campus, pastors and they're, they're doing their thing. I honestly, I love the micro model more, sorry to use the word micro, Mark, but, we'll figure out a better term. I love the micro model more because I think it literally gives the power to the person, the ability for that church to be successful. The hero of that micro story is not a campus pastor. It's not a paid worship leader. It's not a, it's not even a staff person. It is a, is a disciple who is passionate about reaching an area, whether that's a neighborhood area or whether that's an an a, an afterschool center or a children's hospital, which is a phenomenal idea. Like I'm going to go kick that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:54:36 Can somebody, Hey, we need to, well there's literally this hospital right over your children's hospital. We need to get in there. Let's figure out how to do it. So if you're in Miami, don't steal that idea. It's mine. Everybody else. Let's talk about volunteering a little bit briefly here because part of that discipleship process is volunteering. And Joe, I know you are, are, are, are as a startup like you are as a church plan, I should say, you're very limited on resources and so you're leaning a lot on volunteers. And we've had this conversation in the past too. So just share a little bit maybe about how you're utilizing the volunteers.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:55:11 This sounds kind of ridiculous as a pastor, but I have to work hard to pray for volunteers because it can be easy to jump into strategies and the best volunteers that we've got, we prayed for them hard because we didn't have them. But, so one of the things that, so one, we just pray hard for them. and then we kind of do two things. One, we just tap people on the shoulder and say, Hey, will you experiment with this and help us out in this area for a little while? you don't have to do it forever if you hate it, you know. but we, but then the thing that really makes a difference is, leading with vision and the, the, the possibility of what can happen. Because then people will give extra time. They will give extra effort. They will fall over themselves to be a part of what we're doing because we don't have the budget to pay people to be involved in these things.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 00:56:03 I think that's kind of some of what Mark's seeing, people that are excited about it in the small town where they're like this, this isn't here. There's not a Bible church for people to go to. And so in our case, by leading with vision, our people, and it always surprises me because I'm not a type a personality, but when I lead with vision, then people that I am a type a personality and so they get excited and just about jump across the table and say, I want to be a part of this. I want to use my gifts 167 hours a week to be a part of this. And so then we end up with people that are really excited and oftentimes people using their gifts paired to a passion. So that's what we've ended up doing and I want to do more of.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:56:47 How many of you have volunteers who live in different cities, States, countries who are not even within the city where you are? Or Andy, why don't you talk a little bit about that?
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:56:54 We're just now kind of getting the team up off the floor after, you know, six months of being here, seven months of being here, whatever it's been. I feel like I'm just now getting my feet under the desk and just now know where the other side of the building is. In terms of volunteers, we have obviously a couple of locals, a couple of people that I've just, that I'm personally able to meet with. We also have a couple people that are, one of them is out in New Mexico, that area. and we have a couple that are, I mean far enough to way far enough away to where I can drive within two hours. But that's not local. It's interesting. Those volunteers I've been able to glean have not been, you know, Joe was very much thing. We kind of have to, will ourselves to pray for volunteers.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 00:57:34 I'm very much the same way. I think we all are to where those two in particular, one of them, the one who lives within an hour and a half of here, she is, disabled. she literally can't leave the house type thing, has a tube, she gets fed from a feeding tube. You know, it's one of, it's that and it's a very tragic story. And yet, well I went to her at after much prayer and much time and kind of training and all that other stuff and I said, Hey, would you help us? And she said, and I quote, nobody has ever asked me to help because they knew that I couldn't. And it was like this world earth shattering moment, two months into me being in the position that was like, Oh, we really are doing something way different. So Jeff, you talk about engaging people. I think we can engage people that wouldn't normally be, you know, I would not have that. Her name's Heather. I would not have asked Heather to serve in the kids' ministry because her immune system is constantly at negative numbers. And yet she can still host a service for us and she can still do content creation for us and she can still engage by phone call, by text, by all these other things, minister to people use her God-given pastoral heart in ways that I don't even think she's known and she's starting to tap into that potential.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:58:47 How do you, where do you recruit from volunteers where, where do you recruit the the pool? Are you, are you looking outside of the campus? What's the relationship recruiting on campus like what would, what are the tensions you guys feel? I just posted in our women's ministry Facebook group this week. I was like, Hey, they're telling me I have to stop having staff host services. I need your help. Somebody please volunteer. I have like 15 people were like, Hey, call me, call me. Let's make this happen. And I've been meeting with people like every hour all week long. So we're just tapping into our campus volunteers and it's really cool to see them get wrapped up in what we're doing with church online and
  
    
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  Adrienne Feldmann: 00:59:22 start connecting with our people who are shut in or who, we have a lot of people with social, social anxiety who don't come to church. And so seeing them start to build those connections is truly magical. It's really incredible.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 00:59:34 So obviously our local site volunteers come from local communities, but with our online service I have hosts and those hosts are kind of half staff and half, lay leaders. but as you can imagine, what we do for our hosting is, you know, we have a live camera where we cut into the service and welcome people. We do that three different times throughout the service. And so you have to have at least an ability, to talk off the cuff a little bit because once the red light goes on, you have to just start talking. And, that was a little daunting to me at first because, you know, yeah, it is what it is. You know, we all want, we all want to do over and then you can't do that in live broadcast. So one of my recruits that I, that I got for our volunteer team is actually, he's an Emmy award winning journalists on one of our local TV stations.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 01:00:25 And so he just hosted for me last weekend and I have one of my dedicated, you know, longterm online viewers and worshipers, reached out to me and said, I really love when Eric is on cause he is so good at this. Which is kind of a backhanded way of saying, you know, Brandon, you need to up your game a little bit. But you know, these are folks though that, I mean, I've known Eric for a long time. He, he's got a heart for Jesus and, and what he does is, you know, he, he's a news. any reason. Yeah, he's an anchor for our morning, local news programs.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:00:55 Well, he's a professional. I mean you have delegated responsibilities.
  
    
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  Mark Brandt: 01:01:03 He brings his own earwig like his own little thing because he's got one. I'm like, all right, whatever. Eric, you're the pro here. But but I love, you know, our other volunteers too are I tried to populate that group with people that, that bring a wide demographic into it. So our, our young adult pastor is one of my volunteers and she is great. She does our, our young adult ministry on Thursday nights. We have our, our sports ministry. A guy comes in and, and he is one of my volunteers. our alpha leader. She is, she's one of my volunteers that helps to host. And then I also have, one of my other volunteers as the, so we have two major high schools within about a 10 mile radius of us. And Valley high school is one of them. And the principal of Valley high school is one of my volunteers. So you know, Dave Maxwell, when he gets on there, I mean it's, that's a big deal for people that tune in online and see, Oh my gosh, that's our principal. And then those kids are, you know, we'll go into the high school and they'll realize there's an advocate I have on my side. This guy loves Jesus and he's our principal. You know, I just love that, that Dave is one of my volunteers. Plus he's a longterm teacher. So there's another professional know he's used to getting up in front of people and talking, you know, off the cuff. So he does a great job with that too. So, and one of my goals is, you know, with that team, I want that to be, I want that to be diverse. You know, I want to have a wide variety of voices in there so that, you know, when people tune into our broadcast, they don't just see me, they see other folks because it's important to have a multitude of voices in that volunteer pool because they all bring a unique perspective to things.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:08:22 And so we can probably have a side podcast about that. We already have you go back and listen to some of them along the way. But yeah, I'm very excited about what micro can do in the future and what I believe it will do in the future. And, and some of you guys now Mark, Adrienne, like you guys are, are paving the way for that. The one thing, anytime I ever talked to anybody who's doing micro sites and I've talked to dozens of people, they all start the conversation with what we're doing now we may not do in three months, but we're just figuring it out. Like if nothing else, that one idea has become so experimental, in the church today because everyone's seeing that there's a need, there's a possibility, something organically is happening and we're trying to figure out if God's calling us to capitalize on it and actually utilize it and start to build more so we're going to experiment with some things and see, Jay Kranda, just had him on, a couple episodes ago. He's on version number three of his experiment. He's actually tried one thing. It didn't work. He tried. The second thing, it worked really well, but it wasn't scalable. So we tried number three, out of Saddleback. So yeah, there's going to be something here. There's a model here that our thanks going affect the church of the future. we just have to be diligent to try to figure out how it works today. So, well guys, this has been great. I'm looking forward to doing this again and, but we're going to wrap for Mark, for Adrienne, for TJ, for Joe, for Andy, this is Jeff at The Church Digital. Thanks for joining in this podcast and we'll see you next time. Y'all have a good day.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody. Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and it is a pleasure to have you join us today. We are on Episode 41 of The Church Digital Podcast. This is the last episode of 2019 and I'm glad y'all have joined us today. I've got Rey DeArmas, of course, guest host, joining us. Hey Rey, want to say, Hey?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:18 Hey everybody, it's good to be with you again. Happy end of 2019, onto the next decade. Let's go.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:24 Yeah, so hope Christmas was good and we wanted to wrap up 2019 in style here as we want to just reflect back. We've done 41 of these episodes and there was a gentleman's bet between Rey and I if we'd actually make it past eight. And so we're 41 in, I'm not going to tell you who won the bet, but actually I think it was Rey. It was Rey. It was not me at all, but we have done 41 of these and just Rey and I were having a conversation. Just all these lessons that we've learned through these conversations. Because Rey and I, when we started this podcast and doing this, we didn't know what we didn't know and it was fascinating to listen to all of these different people with all of these different perspectives. Talk about what church online is and how they are executing their piece of church online, maybe at the churches or with the companies where they are at. And so Rey and I just came with this idea of, Hey, let's do a podcast where we talk about six lessons that we've learned. Three from each of us from this podcast in 2019 so going back, Hey, if you're like a sit com guy, this is the highlight reel. We're going to go back, we're going to visit some old content, we're going to talk about it and highlight it so you can get a chance maybe to go back and listen to these episodes as well. So Rey, you want to share anything on that?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 01:42 No, this is perfect. And you know, for those of you jumping in, we're going to refer to past episodes that you'll be able to take a look at the show notes and just check out the links if you want more information about that. And let me tell you, I learned so much this past year because until Jeff and I really started doing this, I mean we knew that people were doing things out there and they were trying things. But when you start to hear from different voices from people all over the United States, even some all over the world, and just kind of engaging with them and finding out how they're using digital methods to disciple people, I mean it's just amazing. It's powerful. And so let me encourage you, go ahead and pour back through some of those old episodes. Get engaged with it. You know, right now some of you are probably on the drive and so it's a good time to just binge listen to like a bunch of episodes. Go ahead and do it because you'll be surprised at some of the things that you'll learn, some of the gold that you might find for your church and how to disciple people online. It's good stuff.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 02:35 That's awesome. So we're going to kick it off. Number six. We're going to start from the bottom and work our way up. Rey, why don't you go first here. So what's one of the lessons that you learned listening or doing the interview, doing these podcasts in 2019?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 02:49 Let me tell you, Jason Morris's Episode on the importance of a discipleship pathway for church online was so big because Jeff, you know, some churches are putting their sermons out there online, they're putting their messages out there. Some are streaming full-blown services. Some people are even dabbling in small groups, but not everybody is thinking step by step by step discipleship pathway in terms of how they're engaging their people online. And I'm telling you, this was like episode three or four for us. If you go back and listen to it, just hearing Jason's passion about discipleship, I mean, he's running the entire episode. I mean, he pretty much did all the content for us. It was amazing but just hearing his passion come out about helping people in their next step each and I mean going down to the minuscule small next steps in faith for people who are engaging online. That was just very powerful for me. And I wanna encourage people. Are you thinking through that? Because for sure Jason is.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:52 Yeah, I tell you, Jason, we commonly call him one of the OGs of church online, original gangsters, cause he's been doing it for a long time. He's one of these guys that's been doing church online for 10 plus years and has gotten a lot of respect in context of his church and how he's been leading. I, I think his title's unique. It's not Online Pastor. It's like it's Global Innovations Pastor. That's literally how this man approaches and has been able to approach digital and church online and technology through the church out there at Westside family. And so he was key on episode six. And you're right, he was 100% passion coming in and talking about all a lot of this stuff. And also on episode 32 where we talked about redefining the why of church online, which was tied into the church it network, phenomenal thing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 04:45 And really Jason hones in on that discipleship pathway, which is so key for a church online to move beyond just broadcasting the services to really connecting to the larger piece of why are we doing this broadcast? Why are we doing this ministry online? Is it not just to create consumers? It really should be to create disciples. Matthew 28, and so I love Jason's passion in their work and a lot of that he really came down to, instead of designing this like massive, complicated system that may or may not work, disciple the people that you have, crack open the Bible and take them through it. It was really, I was expecting, I was the really the surprise for me and that was, I was expecting a much larger, this is, this is crazy planned that he would bring to the table Mr. Global Innovation Pastor.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:35 And instead it was really a very simple message of disciple the people that you have online and God will bring you more. And so Jason for that, thank you very much. That was an awesome lesson to go through. For me, and we'll call this number five. Eric Geiger and this is a man who's very special to both Rey and I. We had him on for a combo of Episodes 9 and 10. But really the heart of the conversation that we ended up talking about, we kind of veered off a little bit, which that's always where the fun is not when you stick to the script of what you want to, but when you really like get into the, into the beat of something. And so we really wanted to hone into, okay lead pastor who may or may not have some issues with church online and and definitely has maybe a different vision than some others.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 06:22 Like what is the issue with church online as a lead pastor, what are other issues? What are the issues that are out there that other lead pastors have? So help us understand cause cause honestly pre this conversation with Eric Geiger earlier this year, episode 9 and 10, I could not answer this question. Like when I would drill into, I don't understand why you don't see how church online could work. and Eric very simply and eloquently helped me understand, okay there is a a theological issue that some churches will have with church online. And there's a practical issue that some churches, some lead pastors will have with church online. Now the theological, you know, this is like ekklesia defining the coming together, the gathering of believers that is, in biblical times, that's divined within physical space. And of course, you know, they didn't have zoom in a biblical time.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:16 So I don't know that the Bible context really figured out how to define community virtually. And I think culturally community is being defined in a much different way in 2019 than it was, I don't know, you know, in the time of Christ or shortly after with the early church. And so, you know, wrestling with some of that and realizing, Hey, you know what, if your lead pastor really has a theological issue with church online, it's going to take a lot of effort, to shift that. And arguably, I don't know that you can. And so feeling that tension now I now a more, a more practical issue. Maybe the lead pastor doesn't understand how technology can help community come together. Maybe there's a misunderstanding or just the unawareness of how that can work and function. If it's a practical thing, that's a much easier conversation to have with a pastor than necessarily like a major, theological issue. Rey, what'd you pull from that?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 08:22 You know, it's funny because just today I was having a conversation with somebody as far as where I considered my church community to be and what I told them was I didn't consider my church community and be there on Sunday morning. And this is actually somebody who's a part of my church at Christ Fellowship cause they were asking, cause obviously the church online pastor, they're like so how do you do church? And I was like I do church both online but I also do it in person. But I told them honestly my real community is in my small group. That's where my people are. And that kind of a shift from where our true community lies is something that church in general still struggles with. And I think that's a conversation that even Eric was comfortable with because in our large gatherings on Sunday mornings it's too overwhelming.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 09:02 Even if you're in a church plant of like 50 to a hundred folks. For an introvert like me, that's still too many people to get to know really. And so I can't necessarily plug in and do life with people there or feel known, like truly known or feel truly mentored and discipled. And so, you know, helping pastors see that in online environments, yes there are large spaces that are overwhelming and where it could seem like people are disconnected. That's true in person and online as well. But there are also smaller environments that can take place through digital pathways in which people can be known, they can be seen, they can be heard and they can be discipled. And it was great hearing Eric just kind of engage with some of that from an honest perspective because so often many people would kind of shy away or some folks might come on a podcast and not necessarily want to engage with full on honesty with some of their, you know, with some of their issues regarding some of those digital pathways. But I felt like Eric was honest with us. He was very open minded, he was great. And I can really see Mariners experimenting with some of this stuff as they move forward. leveraging digital pathways to disciple people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:06 Probably the thing that stood out for me in the conversation with Eric was this idea of consistency, making sure and helping your lead pastor maybe see some of where he is being inconsistent. Example would be, yeah, if you're doing multiple services then like on any given Sunday or even like a Saturday and a Sunday service, then this idea of ekklesia is loosely defined in biblical context. Ekklesia was the physical gathering in one place. When you go to a two service or when you go to a multisite model, and Jim Tomberlin talked about this with the podcast as well. It's like when you start to do multiple within the same gathering, you're actually stretching that model of, of what ekklesia already is and so if your pastor, I mean I just, I kind of bang my head against the wall sometimes. Honestly, when I talk to like a multisite pastor who's like, yeah, I don't, I don't believe in church online or I have an issue with church online and I'm like, you've got six campuses all over the city. You've, you've already shattered this idea of what biblical ekklesia is and you won't acknowledge that it can work in a virtual environment. It's no different than what you're doing in these other areas. And so that's where, you know, kind of coaching and helping them through it and Geiger helping to show some of that and even how to help communicate with the lead pastor through that, you know, was, was really key.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 11:28 Absolutely. The next learning, part for me, which we'd consider number four would be our conversation with Danielle Hicks, regarding development of watch parties and even watching watch parties become campuses like in a case with Elevation Church and what they did with Melbourne. That was pretty amazing, mind blowing even. And the fact that they even have the discipline mind you to keep a lot of watch parties as that as watch parties. And we were talking about like over a hundred people gathering in coffee shops or yoga studios to engage with the service, but also to be part of small groups and real life church community. And I think this is a safe space to say this. You know, when a lot of folks look at Elevation, they think of just Steven Furtick or they think of just the worship team, but they're not necessarily looking at Elevation as actually striving to gather these people into groups and disciple them.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:19 And that's what Danielle is really bringing to the table. I mean, on a huge scale. And it was so inspirational to see them have both the discipline because even in, you know, Southern Baptist churches or in different churches, as soon as they start hitting those numbers, they're thinking, Oh, let's launch another campus. It takes a lot of discipline to pull back and say, no, no, no. We need to continue to develop leaders to disciple more, to make sure that these people are actually in biblical community. And that's something that Danielle brought to the table. That was very, very inspiring for me.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:50 Yeah, I got to tell you, Dani's was one of my favorites of the year as well. And I, it was one of the first exposures that I had had to like the inside behind the scenes of of elevation church and it was not at all what I what I was expecting a lot of the humility that she showed in that and it was for me it was, it was, she was one of the first people that I heard say a phrase that I heard a lot afterwards. Hey guys, what we're doing right now, especially with like this micro location stuff, honestly we don't know what we're doing. We're experimenting with some things and what we're doing today we're probably not going to be doing in six months because we're just learning in this thing and to hear a big church, a giant church, one of the giga churches that are out there say, Hey, we don't know what we're doing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:39 And kind of admitting that upfront to me that that gave me excitement for some of the smaller churches out there that are saying kind of the same things. Hey, we don't know what we're doing either, but just, okay, take that next step, experiment, try give it a shot. Get the tires on it, do something and so it was really, it was a great episode there with Danielle, Episode 21, so be sure to check that out. We'll have the link in the show notes for that as well. So for me, the next episode that I wanted to hit on for the lesson and talking about humility, this is by far the most humble lead pastor I've ever talked to in my life. And this is Randy Kirk, who's up at First Capitol Christian Church in Corydon, Indiana. This is Tyler Samson's church is the church anywhere program.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:26 We've talked about these guys a lot, but we actually did like a deep dive, a three episode, span, with, the people of Corydon, Indiana, First Capitol Christian where we talked with a lot of their volunteers, who are basically campus pastors doing the micro locations, being the pastors at these micro location services in Corydon, Indiana. We talked with their discipleship who's creating this discipleship pathway. But this episode with Randy was really where we delved into from a pastor level. So Randy's on the older side of life. Like I'm not saying the man literally resigned on the podcast, but if you listen to it, you will hear him literally resigned on the podcast and I gotta tell you it like that kind of blew me away a little bit. So here's an older guy who is part of a movement, part of a church leading a church who's launched 18 plus micro locations, amazing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 15:30 And around the city, the church itself reaches about 1200 people within physical buildings. Last I heard, they're reaching 800 people outside of the physical building and micro locations around this small town in Corydon, Indiana. By the way, Corydon, Indiana it's about 3000 people. So like 1200 in the main building, 800 outside of the building. There's not a lot of overlap between like the physical and the micro to reach in at least half the town as a small church and as a lead pastor to see him have these conversations humbly, to making statements like, this isn't my kingdom. this is God. This is God's kingdom that he's given me. I have to listen to the young leaders. I have to listen. What a challenge for lead pastors, for executive pastors, for leadership teams that are out there, to not look at the church through just your own eyes, but to start to look at what can be and to start to empower some of these younger people like Tyler Samson who is doing a phenomenal job to step up and to bring in a new life and a new option opportunity to reach people in a unique way. What'd you think, Rey?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:45 And you know what, Jeff? I mean so much of that was so powerful because I remember Tyler was super excited for us to talk to Randy and you don't often see that with the young guy, you know, older guy, kind of a scenario, like normal. He's trying to like stash them away. Like, Aw man, he's kinda not for this. But Randy is proof that age ain't nothing but a number. Let me tell you his missional mindset and his willingness to get out there and to try these digital pathways and to be so kingdom minded, Jeff, you're so right to be so kingdom minded to say men, they'd never set foot in the door of our building. But if they're being reached for Christ outside the room and we will have done our job is just so amazing and impactful. And I would pray that when we get to that stage of life that we have the same bold guts to keep trying new things and willingness to do so.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 17:30 But at the same time, the same kingdom mindedness to one, throw the keys to younger leaders like Tyler. A guy like Tyler could go anywhere, but he's following Randy and you could see why just from that interview. I mean it's just an amazing kind of thing where Randy's empowering and he's saying, no, go take it. Like continue to push the ball forward for kingdom practices and kingdom methods man. And just a phenomenal thing that they've got going on over there. And so for sure, go back, take a listen. It's impactful. It'll change your perspective as far as, Oh man, folks who are older in your church, whether or not there'll be pro church online. Listen, we've seen it over and over again in the podcast and we've even seen it over and over again in real life. Folks who are entering a, what I consider this new era of being a grandparent, they're not afraid of technology. They're not afraid of tech. I mean, you can go listen to the episode where we interviewed Jeff's mom. You've heard me talk about my, about my father and how he's interacting with tech like often on the show in terms of his engagement with YouTube and all sorts of stuff. Let me tell you folks, Randy is a prime example. The age is nothing but a number and we have a lot of people in our churches that want to reach people and they want to do it online. So it's a powerful thing that's going on.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 18:39 I mean, I wanna I want to take a note since you brought it up, I publicly apologize to my mother for not including her in this list. Linda, you probably are listening cause I think you keep up, I'm sorry. You're, number seven, of the six. So just consider, okay. You're number eight because the seventh lesson is really Jay Kranda does not have a Disney plus account or at least it took him a month plus to get there. J publicly, once again, calling you out. You're listening. I know. Thank you. All right, mom, sorry. Jay, sorry. Let's go.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:10 And Linda, you're our best small group leader at Christ Fellowship. That being said, so, the, our number two was Jate Earhart. And let me tell you, I've been a gamer ever since I was a kid. I did not realize that people were using gaming platforms to reach other people for Jesus. That for me was, it was a game changer. Okay. I thought that Jeff and I, that we were doing some innovative stuff, that we were doing some cool stuff with church online when Jeff worked at Christ fellowship. And we would do, and we don't get me wrong, we were doing some cool stuff, but what Jate was doing to reach people leveraging gaming platforms and even the fact that he is actually discipling people, leveraging gaming platforms and using Discord in order to do so for me was just one of the most mind blowing and innovative things.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:53 I mean, I think I talked to everybody I knew for the next two weeks about what Jate was doing with Discord and the fact that he was leveraging gaming platforms to disciple people online and stuff about leveraging discord as a lobby area for church online for me was so impactful because yeah, you know, we can gain and we can talk and we can kind of have some fun. But the fact that he was trying to get to that next level of relationship and that next step with people and helping engage them and helping pull them in for as an evangelistic method, that was so powerful for me because even, you know, churches struggle in person leveraging their lobby area in church in terms of connecting with people. I mean, you know, church world, you guys know this. We do conferences based on how to get that connection card or that next step card from people. We do all sorts of things just to get that contact or how to greet people, how to get that next step and hear Jate's doing it inside a chat room, a gaming chat room to leverage and to reach people. I mean it's powerful how he's using gaming platforms to disciple people for Christ. Jeff, how were you impacted by Jate? Cause for me it was big.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:02 Yeah. Jate's been a guy that I followed up on and we're going to have him on the podcast, in January cause I want to unpack this one thing that, that he's working on. He's literally going through a church planting program right now. So his church that he's at, they do a lot with Exponential Conference and so they have a church, a cohort, a church planting cohort where they take physical churches through it. Jate's going through it because he and his core team through this, love clan group that meets on on discord. They've been fled to create a digital church. They don't want to just be a discipleship group that's doing something, but they're trying to, gird up their theological selves so that they can be operate by the standards of, of what a church, a biblical church is. Now some of you out there, your head's just exploded at this idea of, wait, what's a digital church?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:00 He's going to do what in discord? And we've had conversations with, with like DJ Soto, with VR church. We've talked a lot about this idea of creating a digital expression of church in a virtual space that aligns with the biblical standards that are held. And Jate in his twenties has set himself out and said, Hey, I want to go through this training to understand wholly and completely what a physical church is because I want to adopt it and adjust it to work in a virtual context. And so him being, being wise that way too, to even examine himself so that he himself is grounded theologically able to lead a church at that level. Man, is really exciting to me. And it's one of the things that I just, I love what this kid's doing. I'd say doing that, but it's good. It's like 20 years younger than me. So I love what this kid's doing and want to see him continue to do some great things.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:50 Yeah. And I want to give a quick shout out to the Robloxian's cause that was another, you know, that was another thing that just kind of blew my mind that through the roblox that they're doing what they can to disciple people. And so it's just a beautiful thing. Folks are using gaming platforms to disciple people. I just, I can't, it's just amazing. Go back, check out these episodes. I'm telling you. Blow your mind.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:12 Yes. Jate's episode is number 13. And Daniel Aaron talking about. That's another one, man. We just hit that last week, Episode 40. But Daniel and how at 11 years old dude, this guy had this dream of like, Hey, and I'm not even doing like spiritual vision or anything. Like the guy's like, Hey, this is Roblox. This is a cool thing. What if we did church in here and like eight years later he's got a board of directors helping them structure a church. He's figuring out how to do discipleship in the area and he's touched 26,000 people through this church in, in Roblox. Like that's, that's no small feat and it's amazing to see how God is doing some things and some of these digital churches and some virtual spaces. Yeah, they need to get strengthened. Yeah. They need to get some sort of a discipleship process and structure in place, but don't stop.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:05 Let's adjust the model to keep it going. And I'll be honest for me, episode one, my favorite, Rey and I were talking off air before this thing and I just, I just started writing down, names. Like there's so many lessons, there's so many things that, that's like, man, I wish we could do this. A bunch of this, the stuff that we did, the Church IT Network kind of recording, the micro campus talk, which was awesome to start with. Why that was awesome. Jim Tomberlin dropping all this knowledge when it comes to the trends of multisite church over the past 20 years and how church online is starting from the cool thing to become the common thing, to become the mainstream thing and to see how that idea grew in the multisite world and how church online, not that far behind, maybe a decade behind that same process.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:51 Mark Venti with all the stuff they're doing at church home, a man, it's beautiful to hear him say, yes, we're, we're called to be a church and and regarding ourselves up theologically to make sure that we're holding to a biblical standard, but honestly, when it comes to like how we're progressing or how we're building, we're looking more to corporate America to help us figure out how to do the management in the church because the church is so far behind in some of these areas like it was. It's eyeopening to have some of these conversations, see leaders out there who are leading a lot of these big churches. Even even small churches with Joe Radosevich and trying to figure out how to take next steps for all these organizations to grow their church online. That being said, my favorite conversation and the one that I think had the, the most impact on me actually really had nothing to do with church online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:43 And this was Seth Muse talking about from a communications perspective, how we communicate things digitally. Now Seth's the Communications Director, and in Dallas, Texas was at Hope Church for a while and does a lot of communicating and Seminary of Hard Knocks Podcast. A lot of you guys may know him or be connected with them there. But what we really honed in on is this idea of how we communicate things online and whether we're communicating about ourselves or if we're communicating in a way that's engaging and listening to what others are saying. You see in church online is, is very guilty of this. But the church in general is as guilty. We don't understand what engagement is. We've lost what that meaning is and so rule number one, talking about your upcoming sermon series on Facebook is not engaging.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:45 You are disseminating information about your church in hopes that others will hear you. Now, chances are you're people who are already connected to your church will listen to that information and that will be engaging to them and they may even respond to it, but if you're trying to connect with someone who's not familiar with your church, if you're trying to connect with someone who's outside of the general area that you see any given Sunday, maybe somebody who's cold to the idea even of Christ, that sermon series, just as an example, that sermon series post on Facebook ain't doing you jack, and what it's definitely not going to do is it's not going to get you engagement back where they are going to respond back and forth. See, engagement really comes not as much from talking as much as it is listening to the people and then responding and building online relational equity with people. That's where engagement should be? Rey, what are you thinking on that?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:48 Yeah. You know, that's powerful Jeff, because so much of this with what we do with digital platforms should be built around conversations that we're having with our people. And to your point churches more often than not, you know, in our struggle to communicate things, we have so much of a struggle that we want to talk at people then necessarily talk with people. everything about our churches, even an in person experiences are built from a stage platform. Our sermons aren't engaging or worship isn't necessarily engaged. You know, we want them singing repeat after me kind of stuff. You know? And that's not necessarily helpful when it comes to online platforms. So when we approach online spaces, we shouldn't be surprised when even large mega churches have a struggle with, Hey, how come this only got like 10 likes? Or how come this only like 15 views when there is no method, when there is no reason for people to actually engage with the information, to actually have a conversation with what's going on.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:41 And so for churches, you know, that's sets a content was so good because it reminds us that we have to be more conversation oriented in terms of how we approach people online. And so as we restructure our communications, as we look on into the future, make sure that even take a look at some stuff like some of the things that has helped us out. Maybe some of you have seen this Brady Shearer put out like a list of like 30 to 40 some odd questions that churches could just post up online and just start conversations with people. That's been a game changer at Christ Fellowship as far as our social media is concerned because we went from like having two comments to like all of a sudden starting a bunch of conversations on our Instagram and Facebook feeds. And it all starts with a question. Why? Because questions invite people to be part of the answer. We're not talking at them or talking with them and then whatever else happens after that question we're responsible for. If they want to keep engaging with us, we have to continue to engage with them.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 31:03 2020, you know, for The Church Digital, I think it's going to be great because in a lot of different ways on our site and through different methods, you guys are going to hear from a lot of different voices, you know, from us. And so I think that's going to be great, really the big thing, for church online and even for the way that churches interact with digital platforms, I'm so excited for how more and more pastors are taking an interest, you know, in the least. They're curious. And so I want to encourage you, if you're here and you either have a senior pastor who's curious or you are a senior pastor who's curious, or even you're a senior pastor or your pastor and you're on the fence, let me encourage you, stay curious, continue to, to delve into some of these things and think through it with an open mind and think through how you can engage people online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:29 Do not be afraid to experiment. Always get out there. Kick the tires on things and learn lessons. When experiments fail, that doesn't mean the idea entirely failed it means learn your lesson from that and try again there. There's a, there's a nugget here. There's an opportunity here. There's the road that we are on, online technology, church online technology is only going to get better. The culture engaging in community virtually is only going to get, more effective, more influential and the church needs to be in that space. Whether doing a physical church or a virtual church. Either way, get your, get in the game and get going. With Church Digital, we're going to open up a ton of different stuff. We've got more writers who are going to be creating content on a regular basis. We've got more video content and podcast ideas and things.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:28 2019 was a phenomenal year but it was just the beginning of something much greater. There's even some partnerships with some organizations that, if God is behind this and all this works out, there's going to be some phenomenal things coming forward for the big C church coming out of the church, digital Lord willing. And so to that end, man, continue to pray for this year. Pray for us as, as we are praying for you church out there, who is wrestling with this stuff. Who's asking questions, just kicking the tires, who's experimenting, who's asking questions of leadership that the leadership doesn't know the answer of. We understand you. We've been in your shoes and to that end, don't give up. Keep pressing, and start heading towards what 2020 is going to hold for you. Hey, so we're going to wrap right here, Rey, any closing thoughts as we're landing the plane.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Episode 40 of The Church Digital Podcast and this is going to be a fun conversation today cause I got to tell, well, let me ask you this question. Let's just back up. I want to ask you this singular question. What were you doing when you were 11 years old? Like what was your life? What were you obsessed with when you were 11? I can tell you for me it was Tim Burton's Batman. The first Batman. This is way before the Nolan films. Batman begins. This is like a was, what was his name? Michael. Michael Douglas that is the wrong one. Michael Keaton. Yeah. Michael Douglas. Michael Keaton. Don't make that confusion. Michael Keaton running around in a Batman outfit chasing a Jack Nicholson. The joker. Good movie. 1989 that was me at 11 I was obsessed with that movie sneaking into movie theaters at the South Dade AMC Plaza. By the way, if you're old school Miami, you understand the AMC 8 back there at the South Dade.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 02:07 It's an incredible story coming from a, and I apologize here from a kid, from a young adult, from a gen Z, or from somebody who should be doing anything other than running a church in a virtual reality community. This guy is doing it. And I would love to understand the why and the how, how we got here, how he got started, what was his motivation? All of these things we ask in this, in this podcast. So here's the deal I'm bringing to the table, Rey DeArmas, Online Pastor with Christ Fellowship Miami, of course, cohost, with myself, Jeff, with The Church Digital and Daniel Herron. I don't even know what to call him. He's not a pastor. The guy who's running the Robloxian Church in a conversation centered around the Robloxian church. Everybody. Here you go.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 03:00 I am, I'm Daniel Herron. I grew up Tacoma, Washington, West side, about an hour South of Seattle. Both my parents, they met in, in college just a few blocks away from where we live. And I sort of grow, I've grown up in this like diverse, lower income area of my city that's historically been, has had some really tough, has been tough with gangs and crime and stuff. So I sort of growing up, I grew up around a lot of people that didn't look like me, which was, I think important in the work that I do now. Born and raised in the Presbyterian church. I local churches, smaller migrate. It's actually funny, my great, great, great grandfather actually started the church that I go to now. Cool. And Tacoma, which is pretty cool. So sort of, there's, in my family, there was this, this, building, people that have been in ministry, and sort of has been inspirational to me to do this.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 05:46 I created an account and I started playing these Roblox games and what Roblox is for people that, are not of my generation. They label themselves as a entertainment platform where they, everything on there, there's tons of millions of games that you can play that are all created by different users on the platform. So none of the games that you play have been created by the actual Roblox team, the Roblox corporation, it's all a user created, user generated content. Then there's also like as a virtual economy where you can like create and design clothing for your little avatar and you can sell it and you can earn virtual currency and can make groups for your games and all sorts of, it's a really dynamic platform to make friends and play games with each other, which is really cool. And the little sixth-grader me back in 2011 got hooked real fast.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 06:36 I started just eating this stuff up. I remember playing a lot of games for a lot of time and it was really fun. Not going to lie, I really enjoyed it, but there was this, this time, as time went on while I was on this platform, I was like, there's these different groups that you can join to be in community with one another online. And I kept looking for a Christian community because at the time, and today, my faith is a large portion of my life. It's a big thing to me. So I kept looking and searching for this like Christian community, you know, I found one, actually I found it was a group on Roblox called the Christians of Robloxia and the Christians of Robloxia, which is a very interesting name. It's very Robloxy name, they were sort of just like a fan club for Jesus.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 07:22 So they were like a group on the Roblox site that would just like join this group if you're a Christian. So it was just a big collection of people that said that they are Christian. They didn't really do anything about it. They just sort of just sort of like put this on your profile. There wasn't much participation and I didn't, I sort of didn't like that very much. So I was like, huh and after awhile I decided to actually leave that group and sometime passed and I was still just searching for this community that was like, I want people that, that are passionate about their faith just like I am. So I left this, this group that was really, didn't do all that much in terms of participation and engagement. And some time went by and I was just like, there's still this like place in my heart where I want to be involved with other people my age, and do this sort of work.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 08:06 But there wasn't one that existed on the platforms. I remember very distinctly, it was the day after Christmas of 2011 I just received for Christmas my very first, Roblox, little gift card, to get the premium membership, which was really exciting for the sixth grade me. I was like, Oh yes, I'm going to be cool now. I'm going to be special and I can do things can. So that was awesome, but I got the membership and with that membership you can create groups. So I created this group having no intention whatsoever what would be, called the Robloxian Christians. It started out, in the first couple of weeks. It's just a place where I would invite a few of my friends to come, like this flat block, really large block where we would join together with our little avatars and we would just, prayed together online for whatever was going on in our lives.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 08:56 We would just chat and pray, through the platform because I was familiar with the platform it didn't seem weird or odd to me that I was doing it like this. And really, I don't really have words to describe how it transformed over time. It was sort of just like somehow by God's grace and God's blessing, more people started to show up each week we'd invite more people and they would come and eventually we were like, Oh boy, we got that. We got like 50 people coming. Now we need to like, should we do something? Should we like make it more than just a base plate? So we designed, or I mean I designed, there wasn't really much of a staff at that point, but we designed this, this little virtual church building that kind of resembles like a one room, church school house on the Plains.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 09:46 I don't know. it was very basic. I was 12 at the time, but that was interesting. We started having these virtual gatherings where we would, it was really, it really resembled, what my church looked like in real life. So I would, I would look at like the service, that I would go to on a Sunday and then I would think about what are the different aspects. So we would have like a worship and then we would have a time of prayer and you would have in a sermon. And then I sort of replicated those in the, online service in the afternoon, which was really cool.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:22 Right. You're 12, right?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 10:23 Yeah, I was 12 at that point in time. And I think people who are coming to this, and that's, that's actually a tricky thing. Roblox never gives us demographics because it's like a kid's platform, right? Like kids gaming platform. So over time what we've done is, for our volunteer application, which is sort of a, like an offsite thing, it's like users can choose to, give information about themselves, just demographic information. And of the 1800, like staff applications that we've received, we're able to get a picture of demographics. And our average age ranges from, I think the range is from six to like 26, but the average where most people are at is middle school, high school, 14, 15.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:14 Yeah. So middle school or high schoolers don't want to sit in a, in an average physical church building, but they'll go and they'll experience a virtual service in a virtual building with, that's kind of comprised the same way utilizing virtual elements. Like, that's crazy.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 11:30 And I think what's, what's really special about it is that we're not making it challenging for them to go and it's for them to attend. They can show up at really any time and someone will be there. They can participate in our discord server or on our, like our discussion wall on the group page, which is an area for prayer requests and such. What's, what's beautiful about having a, a church on a video game platform is it's where, young people are already ad. I always like to think of the story of Zacchaeus when Jesus was preaching and Zacchaeus was up an old tree and he said, gee, so I'm going to your house today. I'm actually going to where you're at. I'm going to talk to you. I'm going to help you change your spirit and change your heart. He actually went to where he was at. He wasn't like, Hey Zacchaeus, come meet me at the synagogue or come meet me in the upper room or wherever. He was like, right here, right now, this is where I'm going to meet you. And I think that's something that we're replicating and we're trying to do online. And it's been really, meaningful and successful. everything's really special.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:36 So 12 years ago, you're reaching 50 or so people, or excuse me, when you were 12, seven years ago, seven, eight years ago was about 50 people today. We're still doing Roblox Church. Like what does it look like in a given Sunday?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 12:55 We are definitely still doing Roblox. Church. One of the limitations of Roblox is that in the actual virtual world, there's like capacities on how many people you can actually fit because of the technical issues. The maximum that we can fit is, 50 people, at one time. But at our services we always have people joining and leaving. So we're not going to have just 50 come. What we consider membership in the churches. Actually joining that group that I talked about, one, someone attends either a service or one of our outreach events or visits are one of our outreach. Our God is love prayer ministry, which I can talk about in a minute. But once they visited that, we encourage them to join the group and get involved in the church. And that's how we track like the total membership of the church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:48 Nope. The Roblox service is just really the front door that funnels into this other.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 13:55 And I sort of think of the, the community group as like as the group hub, a hub or a portal to a bunch of other, work where the ministry actually happens online. but like to answer your question in our, in our community group, we have, just under 24,000, youth members, at a given service, we might, range from 400 to 800 people that would come at some point in time in that given service based on the stats that Roblox gives us.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:36 So you've got 24,000 names in a database that somehow engaged with a Roblox service, which you've funneled into this database and then went to database. What are you challenging them to do? Like what's the end game? What's the goal of this?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 14:52 What we really challenged the people in the group to do, is to attend the virtual services to get involved. ultimately our, our mission statement and the entirety of the church is to share the love and word of God with all young people online. And part of what we're doing at the, at the services that we're preaching and what we're talking about, especially in the sermon series that we're in right now, is once you've made the claim, once you've decided to follow Jesus, how do you go out and live out that, how do you live out, as a Christian, what's that lifestyle like? How do you respond to people? How do you act around other people, especially on Roblox, and on other gaming platforms and in your life? What does it look like to follow Jesus and trying to equip people to equipping these young people to, live differently and to live as, as a light in a place where there's not much light.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:57 That's, that's really good, Dan. so tell me more about, like are you taking them through like a discipleship process? Is there a strategy that you're walking them through because that's, that's amazing stuff that you guys have been able to accomplish and in such a short period of time really may feel like a long period of time, but really in the life of a character, it's a short period of time to reach the number of people that you're reaching.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 16:19 Yeah. That's actually one of the challenges too I think. And I think that there's something that's a challenge on there. A lot of the larger brick and mortar churches as well as the, as we've grown larger, it's harder and harder to engage people one-on-one, and harder to stay connected. We definitely have, we have things that we try to do. We encourage people to continue to attend services to get involved in our, we have life groups going on. They meet on Saturdays and then they are in breakout groups. we really, we also encourage them to get into the discord because the discord, unlike the Roblox group, we're able to, there's less, censorship and filtered, chat. So we're able to share more and posts more. And it's more active in terms of like being vulnerable and sharing about your life.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 17:14 And it's more of an everyday sort of thing and building community with others as opposed to only when you're only when you choose, on the group, on the Roblox group, there's more interaction on the discord. And that's one of the big things that's important to me in this church is that just, it's amazing to me how vulnerable people are, young people, how much they share about their lives with people that if they were in a brick and mortar setting, they might not feel comfortable sharing it, which is there's that level of anonymity online, which some people might say is like, that's dangerous because people are just going to take advantage of it. But in my experience, that hasn't been true at all. People have actually used it to be more comfortable sharing which with what is actually going on in their life and being open to support others in our process as well.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 18:08 Sorry, to cut you off there. In a previous episode we talked to a DJ Soto and one of the things we talked about cause he's doing first from VR, has a lot of overlap in terms of your experiences. We talked about how this serves almost like a digital confessional, if you will, that having that layer in between really helps somebody to kind of open up and you're seeing that, right? There's this one example, I don't use it because it's a dramatic example, but I use it because it really was powerful in my own life to see what the work of the church is. It was actually a really hard, hard time in the life of my faith actually. But we had three young people who were battling with depression and anxiety. We had three attempted suicides in the course of three weeks, all unrelated. I'm so, we're so blessed that everyone survived and is doing better today.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 19:03 But there's, there was this, and one of them, there was this awesome beauty of seeing the interconnectedness of the, of the online church, that because they, because, because Sally had built such strong friendships and relationships through the church and through the discord ministry, she had actually talked about what she was going through before she had attempted suicide. She communicates so, so like frequently that, when she was actually doing it, it was someone from the church, several states away. She was in Alabama and the person that actually called nine one one, or emergency services to rescue her was calling from Wisconsin into her town. So the friendships and relationships that were built through the online church, and the, the level of what was shared in those relationships, I think is incredibly powerful. And I think that this is only three people. Just imagine what's happening. I don't, I don't know what's going on and with everyone's relationships, but I know that there's, these are pretty common, these sort of strong relationships that are being built.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:18 Let's, let's park on this for a second. that great story. Yeah, but so you've got somebody in Alabama and somebody in Wisconsin and even though they're in different time zones, even though they're on different sides of the country, even though they're not breathing the same air, there's a friendship, a relationship, a comfortableness that in that desperate moment of need to reach out isn't to mom isn't a dad, it's not to a school teacher. It's not to anybody within the state. It's in Wisconsin. The church today would, would say that doesn't, that doesn't happen, that you can't have community. They can't have relationships that tight, that intimate online yet. Strangely this, the story here with, with Sally and whoever has, so what, as a young person, what about online helps that relationships connect? When you're 19 and you're making connections with someone through Roblox, church or through discord or whatever the platform, how can you connect with someone like that that may be us as non 20, 30, 40 year olds as an older person. Maybe we struggle with that. What's the younger generation looking for that they're getting online?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 21:41 I think, I think to answer that question, we have to consider the fact that to my generation at least, I don't think that technology is so much, I want to say that's not seen as a tool, but it's not like something special. It's something that we've grown up around that we've been surrounded in. It's like second nature to us. So like communicating online, whether it's on discord or Roblox or Facebook or Instagram or Snapchat or any of those things and building relationships with people all the way around the world. It's not foreign and it's not hard. I think the way that I've been able to build these relationships with people that have been apart of my church and people that hadn't been apart of my church is just, the ability to communicate with them and the willingness to, to have the trust, that they're taking it seriously and that it's a real relationship. Cause I know, I know that my friend gave over in Texas. I know that he's a real person. I know that he has real emotions and he's really caring. So when I talk to him, I don't feel this level of disconnection because of technology. I feel this greater level of connectivity because without it I wouldn't know who he was and I wouldn't be able to talk to him. And as a, I'm not a millennial, what am I? A gen Z born past 2000.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 23:05 Yup. No offense. Just categorize you earlier. I take it back. That's all right. I felt aged by Jeff. I was like talking about, man, I am a proud, lazy millennial. Just kidding.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 23:18 And he was like, I like what I just said is that technology, since technology is not foreign, it's like, it doesn't feel much different to text someone on Discord than it feels to talk to them over the phone. Right. In fact, I think talking them to them over the phone might even be slightly more uncomfortable than talking to them with one of the other platforms. And I think that a lot of on on these platforms feel the same way because it's just, we've grown up around it. It's what we're used to and it's what we're acclimated to.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 23:54 What we're finding is it's not, it's not just a generational thing in that, you know, but, but it is becoming more and more common in your age group. And you know, Jeff and I got kids in, you know, that are Gen Z. And so what's coming behind this is folks who are growing up into this, you know, and I was introduced to Roblox a few years ago. And so at first when Jeff's told me, Hey, we're going to be talking to Dan and you know, he's got this Roblox and Christian group. At first I thought it was a denomination. We honestly, I was looking it up like, man, I never heard that serious. And then, and then I was like, Oh, this is the game. This is awesome. You know? But it's what, it's become much more than that because it's become this platform for interaction for people which is where so many people are finding connections because of mutual interest, which then opens the doors for ministry. And so I think what God has enabled you to do as a sixth grader, I mean my gosh, as a sixth grader man is powerful that you recognize, Hey, I'm going to leverage this platform that God's given me and I'm just going to bring my faith here along with me. And then, you know, the seed was planted and God caused it to grow, which I think is amazing. Dan, can you take me through, can you take me through what a service looks like?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 25:14 This is the question that everyone asks and it's really challenging to describe if you're not like showing them the actual video. However, that's called do my best. You have a, you have an avatar which is like, it's like a little blocky Lego guy kind of across between. If you know what Minecraft is, it's a cross between like a Minecraft avatar and like a Lego mini figure and you can dress it up however you want. So you have this little avatar and when you click join into the virtual church space, your little guy spawns. And like in the middle of our lobby in the church, you can come in, you can explore the different rooms. our main worship areas where a lot of our services take place, it's, it's basically just a small little amphitheater that's a lot of little avatars in it. at one time there's like we have pews or benches that you can actually come and sit your little avatar on and it'll look like you're sitting in it, which is pretty cool.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 26:05 And then we have a little stage where our coordinators come and they sit up there and they're able to help lead the service. And then when the service is actually look like for the most part, they're pretty standard to what you might think about when you think of a typical church service. We have, we open in worship, we have our announcements, we pray together. Everything on Roblox though is text chat. So there's, there's no, voice aspect of it. However, with that said, we are able to play MP3 audios in the background. So during our worship time we'll be playing worship music that's actually been recorded and played by our worship team prior to the service.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:51 You guys are recording your own music and then playing it and that's, that's a different level of innovation. They're playing like videos from like YouTube and stuff.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 27:03 You see, we used to do that, we used to do that and it was so much easier to be quite honest with you. Sure. It was so much easier. But then in 2000, late 2017, Roblox cracked down on all of the like copyrighted material on the DRL. Yeah. They reached a point where it was like people started to care and now we are unable to upload copyrighted material. Even if we have like licenses that allow us to have it, which was like, what are we going to do? We're either gonna play like some open source, like organ music from whatever they have, whatever's available or we play the same songs, but we encourage like members of the church to step up and record it and we play it that way. So that's what we've done wow. During worship. So while music is playing, I feel like since it's all text to type, sometimes it can be a little bit boring or like people will lose interest. but I think when we have the music playing in the background that sort of engages people and continues to draw people in, which is really special. I think also when I say text to chat to people that are not on Roblox, it sounds like that would not work. It doesn't work. But that's part of the idea of reaching people where they're at is that we're reaching people that are familiar with the platform. they know how Roblox works already. So when they enter the church, it's not some crazy foreign world that's like, this is what I'm used to. And this is like, this is like an actual community on here that I can engage in a little bit more about our services. Usually after a few songs of worship, we'll enter into like a time of learning or the sermon. and usually on Sundays I give that on our services throughout the week. our other volunteer leaders will, lead that and usually it's thinking about scripture and how it applies and the situations that we're facing is that people. so it's really oriented towards younger, our younger audience.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:03 So it feels like it's a, you mentioned earlier like Presbyterian raising, you're basically executing a Presbyterian service style kind of church, right?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 29:16 Somewhat but we call ourselves a nondenominational church for the sake of, we're a melting pot of lots of denominational traditions. With that said, the services also feel semi, not Presbyterian. They feel, and it feels very mixed. Like when I think of the Presbyterian church, I think a hyms and pews and, the chosen, nobody raises their hands. You know, our church that the church that we have online is not like that. We listened to them. We played the modern worship music that, large, larger churches play. Our services are more engaging and there's a lot of that like call and response, not calling response as a Presbyterian, the whole like say amen. Everybody says amen and stuff. There's a lot of that I, myself and Presbyterian and clearly it wears in, but when other people are, other leaders are also leading, I think they reflect some of their traditions as well into it. So it's sort of a good mix.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:18 What's your, you're talking about the volunteers and the leaders. Like what's the leadership structure of this? You've got 24,000-25,000 names in a database. You're trying, the goal is to create the services as an evangelical arms. So like what, how are you pulling this off? What are the volunteers look like?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 30:39 Yeah, so actually we're in a time of transition right now. Previously, well I guess I'll just kind of start from the top. So there's myself who sort of oversees everything and does a lot of the, my work is really in the past couple of years has gone to a lot of the administrative behind the scenes, funding, development, all that sort of stuff. as well as the pastoral stuff on Sundays. The next sort of tier of level of leaders is like, we have our director of hiring our director of like facilities, our development people for actually building the people or building the places and all of that sort of thing. And then we have a tier of coordinators that are all hired and trained so that they really understand the functions of the church and what to do when like a troll comes in or how to respond to prayer requests or all these sorts of things.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 31:38 They're really trained across all the different parts of the church and they are mentors to a subgroup of volunteers. So we have a volunteer staff then that's like the next tier down that, really makes up all of the different ministries of the church. So we have, this is where the transition is at. Actually, we, we used to have these formal teams that we would place volunteers on, like, our prayer team, worship team, outreach team, music team. But we've sort of gotten rid of that and just made a large pool of volunteers that are able to be assigned to different tasks at different times. So they're all trained sort of equally. And we have this hiring process where our hiring director, there's this really, we use Google forms for our staff applications and people can just fill that out. and then our hiring director will reads them and makes decisions on placing people and aligning the skills that they list on their application with which team might best, which tasks might best suit them.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:43 So how many, how many volunteers roughly are we talking about in this?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 32:48 That's a good question. I have to think about that for a second. I, I know that we just graduated our new CLA or like new cohort of coordinators. So I think we have eight.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:01 Okay. I'm, I'm going to be honest, when I was 19, I didn't even know what the word cohort meant. Oh God. You've got, you just launched a new cohort with eight coordinators.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 33:11 We have about 50 to 60 volunteers right now, sort of, which is actually, it's not where I want it to be. It's challenging because I want, I want to have an opportunity for, if someone wants to serve in the church, I want to let them, that's good. But we also want to have a system where we're able to train people and, show them how to support other people in the church. So my goal, hopefully, maybe by Christmas, maybe by Easter, is 120 volunteers. I feel like that's a good number, but we're at about 50 right now. And those different coordinators are the ones that are managing all the activities that the volunteers as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:53 Well, the tension you feel is the tension that every pastor in America feels there. There's never enough volunteers, and there's ever, there's always a desire and a passion to do more in ministry. So, but, but, but it sounds like you're doing it right by getting the coordinators up top, casting the vision to them, letting them break down and, and lead, you know, an organization with 24,000-25,000, you know, names. Obviously that's, that's more than a 19 year old college kid and on the spin in the Pacific Northwest can handle. and so kind of spreading that out and letting some others join in is, is awesome. What's the one thing, and I I've been thinking about this question, I'm not sure how to ask it, but let's just see what happens here. Okay. What's the one thing that a Roblox church can do that a physical church can't?
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 34:49 There's so many things I could say to this question that I think they were really good answers to. I think the thing that's most beautiful to me about the online church, and it sort of is two things in one, when you're constrained by brick and brick and mortar, your walls and you're restrained by your geographic location. I think what's most beautiful about our online church is how we are able to create community, real community, vulnerable community with young people across borders, across, nations, across states, how our church represents every continent and every US state. I think it's beautiful when we are having a worship service and my friend from the Philippines is online the same time as my friend from the UK. I think that's beautiful even though it's like way different times zones, but it's still, I think it's awesome that when when you're in church and you're singing a song and you're singing praise to God, your language, doesn't matter because you're singing one song of praise to God and that there's that sort of, when we, when we look at the church, we're supposed to be one body united together and I see looking across all of the, all of the places where this church represents, all the situations, all the circumstances, all the backgrounds of everyone and this big diverse melting pot of a church.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 36:39 A year up until 2017 and 2018 I started like, we had some people that donated so that I can do this for my like job during school. So the costs of the actual church by itself was under $500 for the first six years. So we were reaching tens of thousands of people for like less than the cost of the new iPhone. So that was awesome.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 37:18 You can get that for five bucks a month. If we didn't have a website to upkeep, we could be doing this for five bucks a month. So it's really encouraging to see with with all of the platforms that are existing now, all the different places, these are all places that have the possibility to have other ministries and such hop on there and people passionate about this.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 38:02 I had no idea. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. I was just, it's making a place for me and my friends to create together online and God took it and ran with it, which was pretty awesome.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 38:10 That is awesome. That's pretty awesome. That's amazing. That is ridiculous in such a great way that God uses.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 38:16 And you know, to think that something that that started as just me and my friends online playing this awful game that I had no idea what I was doing would be something that has been to inspire and motivate pastors around the world and would someday lead to be my job during college. I just think that that is not only is an incredible story, but it's, it's just amazing to see how God is working in this online church and also in people that are passionate about doing similar work, just to show that God moves and it's really incredible. So that's good.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 39:05 We've talked about this recently about how churches are often, they're afraid to experiment with things and the reason that they're afraid to experiment. We talked about this in Episode 26 I actually went off on Apple like just, and I don't want to get into it on another thing like painful stuff. You were going off on Apple a few minutes ago. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, there's always something to go off an Apple on. Well done. but you know, I'm number one fan, but here's the thing, like, like church, when they look at this technology, and especially because they're not native, they're not like grown up in it. It's still this outside. It's still this external thing. They're not like you, gen Z kid, who has grown up with this as, as just part of normal life. They're afraid to experiment. And as a result, a lot of times they're afraid to try something until they figure out where the finish line is.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 41:15 I think real quick, if I wanted to add, I, there have been lots of people real, real quick. there've been lots of people that have done similar work on Roblox, not necessarily to the scale that my church has grown to, but have sort of, like shooted off from our to try and do their own sort of things. And I know that there been other attempts, by other organizations to do similar work. I just think in my experience, the number one thing that has allowed for this success other than God's grace and God's blessing has just been staying committed and kept showing up. Because I remember in 2013, 2014, there would be times when we had one or two people show up to a service and you're like, should I cancel this? Should I, should I not? Should I just keep going with it? And we would have the service even with those one or two people there because we are still being able to, we're still able to be a blessing to someone. And to offer a space for someone who might need it. So, yeah, I think that staying committed to in whatever, whatever ministry or mission or career that you're in is, super important.
  
    
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  Daniel Herron: 42:53 What's your advice? I would not necessarily recommend going the route that I went. Starting with something that you don't know what it, what you want it to be. Like if you have a goal in mind of what you want to accomplish, that is excellent. I think it's significantly harder if, if you went the route that I went that was like, I don't know what I'm doing and I'm just going to go and go with it. It has shown awesome rewards and it's been a beautiful blessing. But with that, like, I don't know, mentality, it's also presented a lot of challenges. So I would recommend talking to your friends, talking to your family, maybe a mentor, and figuring out, what do I want to accomplish? I'd also, I can't, I can't echo enough how much having, mentors and adults in my life that have been supportive of it have, made it easier and taking the burden off when some days you just, some days you get off of this and it's just stressful because people are just being crazy and you just want to scream or you want to cry or whatever it is and you get off and you're just like, you're able to talk to someone who maybe they've been through this sort of thing before or they, are just there to listen.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 47:00 So oftentimes it's the individual who stands up and Dan, thanks for, you know, being that 12 year old kid instead of, you know, doing the stupid stuff that I was probably doing when I was 11 or 12. I'm trying to think what movie. You know what it was? It was Batman. It was the first Batman. Th, was it Michael Keaton? Jack Nichols? No, he doesn't know what that is. He knows the Dark Knight. He doesn't know. He doesn't, I'm just saying older people out there. Listen, no, no, listen, I've Batman 40 times in the theater. That was me. No, the guy that to make fun of the watch the end game like 87 times, that was me with, with the, the Batman, the first Batman before Batman begins. So a way to like not be that guy and actually like accomplish something with your life and make the rest of us look back. So Dan, as we're landing the plane, man, if somebody listening wanted to get more information or wanted to find out or, or volunteer help out and support you guys, where should they go?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 48:19 Awesome. So we'll put that in the show notes, therobloxianchristians.org that's awesome and very clear. So, Hey, listen, this has been been a great podcast. I love hanging around kids that I, forgive me, Dan, what young adults are doing. Listen, I am not one, but I love hanging around young adults, who, you know, embrace this technology piece for the kingdom and do phenomenal things as a result. The community, the connections. I mean, I'm just even thinking back to Sally's story, I managed, she's just a phenomenal engagement of technology that the younger generation is seeing, that the older generation has yet to realize. And so, Dan, man, thanks for being on the cutting edge of this, for Rey, for Dan. My name is Jeff with The Church Digital. Thanks again for being here and, we'll see you next time. You all have a good day.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Episode 39 of The Church Digital Podcast and I got to tell you, I am really excited about where this podcast is going to end. Check it out. Recently two organizations got together and created a survey to check the state of charge online so we talk about where the churches are engaging or not and what's happening and so they did a survey to see where are you churches out there and how you are engaging and utilizing this church online method. So we got Living As One now they are no stranger to the podcast or to The Church Digital. We do a ton of work with Collin Jones and Paul and those guys over at Living As One and also we're bringing in new to the podcast Leadership Network. Now hopefully you guys are no strangers to Leadership Network. By the way, they create some phenomenal resources out there and do a number of intensive trainings and things to help the church you, the church, operate better. They came together to create a survey and now we've got the results in of how you, church, out there and your contemporaries, how you're utilizing church online. So this is cool the survey is is out. It's public, it's been released. The report has, and so you can download that report. We're going to put the link in the show notes. You can just swing over there and grab it from there. But more than that with this podcast, we able to sit down with these guys and have a, have a conversation about where we are. Okay, so we're seeing this stat, why? We're seeing this trend, why? Where are we going? What's next? More than just looking at where we are today, let's be proactively figuring out where we're heading for tomorrow and start to move down that road as we continue this growth towards church, online, towards discipleship online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:43 I got to tell you, the thing that I was most excited about with this report is this idea that discipleship is not just a word that said in closed doors, but it's something that's happening virtually and we're starting to see more and more churches trend that way and understand that the report shows it, which makes me so excited because this is the stuff that we've been talking about. It's awesome. So here's where we are with the podcast. We literally got Collin Jones, president of Living As One. We got Greg Ligon, Chief Innovation Officer with Leadership Network, Rey DeArmas, cohost, once again, Online Pastor with Christ Fellowship Miami, and myself, Jeff, with The Church Digital in a conversation detailing behind the screens. Hey everybody, here you go. I was just curious like what were the overall trends that you found in your research? Was there anything that, like what's the theme that was maybe discovered through this research?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 02:35 Well, I think one of the big ideas, and one of the things that was, demonstrated to me that there's a significant growth in this space is that those that were surveyed for this project, 47% reported that they had an online campus, which is up 28% from when we asked the same question five years ago. In fact when we asked that question five years ago, 62% indicated they plan not to have an online campus. So we're seeing really rapid growth, in the development of online campuses.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:11 What do you think is, is the relationship, what's causing that shift to go from, not wanting to do a campus to now? What's been the cultural thing that you think has allowed more churches to get excited about online?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 03:24 Well, I think in some ways it just represents the growth of social environments, online anyway. So I think that's, it kind of follows that trend a bit. I think the other thing is in five years, of course, technology changes feels like a bit every 10 minutes. In fact, that's one of the things I'll talk about a little bit later, but because the technology has improved so much, over the last five years, I think more and more people are able to get into the game, more quickly, because it's affordable and easier to use. And that kind of thing.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 03:57 I've been surprised by how quick the perspective shifted. Oh church online is gonna hurt my attendance, people won't come, you know, all those different perspectives. And then now surveying that on the data, that was really surprising to me. You know, 46% disagreed that online attendance, you know, doesn't get hurt by it, you know, online streaming, in person attendance. And then 20% agreed that it hurt attendance. So there was, you know, more than double that disagreed with that. And then the rest, I guess we're neutral.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 04:26 Yeah, that was a big surprise to me as well. And you know, I consistently get calls from senior pastors who have that question. They're like, Oh my gosh, you know, we started an online campus and we've dropped our attendance, you know, X percentage. We're thinking about shutting down our online campus. And, so I was surprised at the growth and the people growth in the number of people who really felt like that, that was hurting their physical presence. Excuse me, the growth in people in that didn't feel like it was hurting their prison, physical presence. I think you mentioned the 46% disagreed that adding an online campus hurt their physical presence. so I think that was very interesting to me as well. I think one of the things that oftentimes, senior pastors, it's a, it's an issue in terms of the impact on physical attendance as well, really in some ways has nothing to do with online.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 05:23 There's a significant decrease in physical attendance, simply because of the fact that people, will see themselves as being, being a regular attender at church. But they may only come one time a month or two times a month. And so when you actually began to look at the actual people, the bodies that are showing up on your physical campus, your growth is actually, in many cases you're growing, you're not declining in terms of the number of people that you're serving. And there's a, we work with a group in, Scott Thuma at Hartford Research Institute and I believe the latest number that they quote is if you take your average weekend a worship attendance, you can multiply it by 3.2, and that really gets you to be at what the reach is that you have as a church.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 06:11 Just to understand our country is also taking into consideration how this is affecting their decision making, considering how many people are engaging with them online. Do you guys see any shifts in terms of how churches are considering both, how they're addressing people, like, how they're preaching to them, but also how they're making decisions in regards to everything from budgets to how they're communicating with them in terms of engagement?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 06:37 Well, probably the thing that is that jumps out to me when he asked that question is a crossroads church is, which is up in Cincinnati, which I think is one of the churches that's really leading the way, not just with online but with digital, all kinds of digital things. But on their online campuses, you know, they are really, working toward, having an experience that is shaped by the physical campus who you're going to be most likely to attend to attend. So for example, if I log on online and my locator indicates that I'm closest to the campus that's in the South side of Cincinnati, then they're moving toward the, the place where they'll actually have a physical, the stream will actually be, will include the campus pastor from that physical campus. and they're really committed that in fact, they've even changed the name of their online, excuse me, for their campus pastors to community pastors because they're charging them with responsibility, not just for the people that are showing up at their building, but those who are showing up online in that, from that specific geographic area. So that's one of the ways I see that happening.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 07:53 Yeah, I think Matt had a really cool quote from that on the report where he said, you know, is asking the question basically of, you know, from the data in the report, it's the question of what's the purpose of, you know, live streaming online. and then I think like, you know, the majority right now is just getting people, you know, like still just keeping people connected. Like, but then if you look at like the higher echelon of churches, like if you go to like 10,000 plus, their highest reason is for outreach and evangelism and just like, not, not engagement at all for actually reaching people. and so I think we'll start to see more and more of the smaller churches realize that, okay, this is, you know, the, the offline attender, as long as he's still engaging, should count as a church member.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 08:35 And people are kind of battling with that question. Now. I think churches like crossroads, you know, say stuff like, you know, we don't want to convert someone from online onsite, you know, our goal is to make sure they're connected to the church community. connecting is more important than converting them from online to offline for us. And so they were saying, you know, they have other ways of them to connect digital community groups and that's more important to them that actually becoming into a button seat, which is like a huge shift that we see. And I think, you know, Jeff's talked about that a ton on his podcast is I'm trying to get pastors and people that think through, Hey don't just think butts in seats and the old paradigm. and we're really seeing that shift with the churches that are doing digital well, yeah, it is digital attender. If he's growing in community with others, I'm attending a church body in whatever way than that. That should count just as much as a regular person that's in a seat. Maybe even more though than someone who just comes in watches it every weekend and then leaves and is not involved at all after that. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:34 Yeah. We're, we're going to be talking with Crossroads, here in a couple episodes who we're excited to, to roll that out for everybody. They're doing a lot of really interesting things in that digital and the, in that church online scope. One of the things that that surprised me with, with the, with the stats you guys rolled out is that you, you kept the, the lowest size church at about 800 people. The average church in America is probably closer to 72, 73. I think 80% of churches in America are under 200 in size. I'm not sure on the stats, but these are things that I've heard and they sound reasonable. Why did you cap at 800? Like, what was, what was the logic at that size versus maybe even digging into some of the smaller sized churches?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 10:19 Well, it's, it's really a, primarily based off of a Leadership Network bias. We've always worked with larger churches. and so our base of, churches that participated are primarily larger churches. And so that's really what drove that more so than, more so than any, intention not to reach it to the small group market. That's just really been who we've felt like we've been called to serve. So that's, that'd be the foundation for that. I think part of the, I think you're part of the reason that smaller churches may or may not be involved. I think it's really primarily, in some ways it's similar to, this is not going to make a blanket statement here that I don't mean to be a blanket statement because there's some actually very, incredibly healthy, small churches, but in many cases, smaller. There's some small churches that they're small because there's a lack of vision and leadership. And so I think, you know, that translates then into not being willing to take risks, not being willing to eat them in many cases, not even being exposed to some of the new things that are happening in the church
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 11:25 And they don't have time to get their heads above the water. We talked to quite a few churches in the, you know, Hey, we got people 50 people attending and we want to stream because you know, there's a lot of transient communities and people, especially in Florida, we hear that all the time and we look at our people in the winter or I mean we, you know, grow the, it stops it away around or in the winter. And then I'm in a lot of communities like that and the smaller churches primarily are driven by reasons like that. Like they're not thinking about it like, well, I want to reach a bunch of people. But then occasionally now, like especially in a digital world, you'll get really small churches that have just some visionary digitally and they'll be doing crazy numbers digitally and have like 200 people coming on, you know, in their service every Sunday, or even just online churches only. and like the barrier to entry for a digital church. and the amount of people that you can reach without it being weird. There's so many more people, than the old paradigm. People having to attend and do that so that, that model is starting to be challenged. And I think that's really interesting. especially, you know, you guys have talked about it as a way of church planning even. and the, and what's cool is like, we really love when we talked to the smaller churches, cause they just have questions about it all. You know, like how do we do cameras, how do we do etc. And those are really fun for us to do. You're guiding the whole thing and oftentimes they're the, the scrappy ones that are, sometimes now you'll come out and you'll get like a really, you know, active understand digital church planner. that, you know, it has some really interesting visions and views on digital. Yeah.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 12:54 Yeah. I think, I think that the barrier, you know, just as you think Collin, the barrier to entry is going down. And so I think you will see smaller churches. I, when I, when I say a smaller church, I'm thinking more of a traditional, smaller church has been small for a long time. That last little piece that you talked about was really around church planters and I think there is, we are going to see, already are seeing this, we're going to see a growing number of planters that are launching on with an online, some cases maybe launching online first before they actually plant the physical campus and building a, an online community that then becomes the core for launching their physical campus.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 13:29 Yeah, we have buy gear for that now. And it was crazy cause there was the, one of them had, you know, 500 people at launch cause they'd been streaming for six months or whatever. Pretty interesting. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:40 Yeah. I would love to see more church plants take advantage of that. And I've always wondered why there's this rush to, to get to the physical building, to pay the lease, to pay the cost to, you know, to go with all this when starting in, in a virtual and then building from there, building that core team, getting your DNA out there in the community. that's a lot safer to do on a plant side. And I just, I think looking forward, I hope, my hope is that more churches are gonna start to plant that digital, grow physical. Sure. But start in a digital realm where people can connect to you and can engage with you before getting to that place where you have to start paying all the larger fees. Well, one of the things that I loved about the report is you, you delved in a lot to the discipleship piece of this and a lot of times when we talked with churches and pastors, at least me, the, the extent of church online stops with the broadcast.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:37 Like the win of church online is just broadcasting the services out and obviously Collin, Living As One, you guys do an excellent job with that. But I really respected how you guys asked some more questions to get into more of the discipleship of how churches are doing more than just broadcasting the services, but actually getting into small groups in, into next steps and into this discipleship piece. You know, I saw one of the stats was it looked like about on average three to 6% of churches are doing that were interviewed or doing some sort of discipleship virtually online, small groups, et cetera. I mean, obviously when we looked at edit, I think 10,000 plus people, those churches were more at like 20% so there's this, this broad range where some of them are very few are, but then when you get to like the giga level, a lot more pick up. What do you think is causing, what are the giga churches seeing that the others aren't? What are those hurdles that, that, that stopping some of the other churches from doing more discipleship?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 15:38 Well, I think there's a couple of things. I think part of the reason that giga churches are doing it more as, because they have more dedicated resources to be able to try to figure it out, you know, and so they have, you know, they can, they can put some staff who are given primary focus to really, you know, developing some of those kinds of things. And that's part of the reason I think the other reason that it is, it's not accelerated as rapidly as we might think is, has less to do with online and more to do with a paradigm shift that is not yet fully engaged in terms of what it means to do discipleship. I think we're sitting many churches, even many large churches are still, you know, thinking about discipleship in a very linear curricular, educational kind of model and discipleship really.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 16:23 And it's hard. I'm Israeli about transformation, right? And so I think as people get began to get more and more comfortable with the transformational side of discipleship, they're going to get more and more comfortable, with the opportunities that online provides in terms of being able to actually have community online. Sir, you an education model is actually pretty easy to deliver online. There's a lot, I mean, if you're doing that, you've got a curriculum based discipleship program, you can deliver that line online pretty easily. But I think the ability to really see the online space as a place to really truly engage, not just to consume. I think we're still in the midst of that shift.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 17:03 Why do you guys think that it is that so many churches are shy to take their services to social platforms? Because I saw a significant decrease between the number of churches that broadcast on their site compared to how many of them actually take it to the masses on social.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 17:16 Yeah, we're actually seeing like a huge increase in people streaming to social. It used to be where they didn't at all. It's pretty difficult to stream the social cause you have all these music right things and especially if you're a small church, like you get docked and taken down so they get frustrated. but now like the social platforms are handling that a lot better. which is great news and there's a lot more people that we're seeing like, like we had like last weekend, just for the amount of new churches that came on, for example, of all of our platform, we had like a 15% week over week increasing Facebook streaming, which is huge when you have that many churches on a platform. So it's like, that's not new church is coming on. That's like, you know, like people that are already coming on that started doing the Facebook that weren't before.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 17:56 Which is really interesting. And the however, like at the same time they're realizing, you know, if you look at Facebook watch times, it's like, you know, you'll have, for example, Saddleback's numbers, you know, they, I forget the exact amount, but it's something like 20,000 views and like average watch time of less than two minutes. And that's every church that we talked to, you know, and then you get like watch times and the, you know, like on a, on the bed code, on church, online platform, or on your website it's like 45 minutes. Right and so I think, I think a lot of that is like people realizing that, you know, Facebook and, and YouTube and all that are really great for marketing value, but that it's really difficult to develop community just cause of all distractions there. And so, you know, there's, there's like the ways that people are doing it that are working is like Facebook groups.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 18:37 But then inherently you lose the marketing value of that, you know, so you get gang the community but then lose the growth. So I think people are trying to answer all those questions and that's why I think the building, I think we'll start to see way more people start to build, you know, social features that on on platforms that they control. like, like Crossroads stayed with crossroads anywhere in church, home did with their app and lots of churches using actually like social platforms but that they completely controlled. It's for that reason so that they can measure, track and grow community discipleship. Like there's tons of discipleship tools and those ways of connecting people that you wouldn't, that would happen kinda natural and Facebook that are hard to cultivate. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 19:16 You're seeing a natural trend away from Facebook in some areas. I just even where I was just previous to doing this podcast recording with two guys, I was doing another podcast with a number of online pastors and, and one of the, one of the pastors in the room was going, integrate detail on why he does not broadcast to Facebook. And the reason, the reason why, honestly, and what we talked about in the podcast was I felt like his, his view of it was yes, he can get far greater engagement on Church Online platform using that embed code because the platform itself is meant to generate that next step. It's meant to keep people engaged from a longer, there's not as many of those distractions, but it's easy to lose that, that marketing piece of, of what what you're talking about Collin. Right.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:06 You know, so often we, we've, we feel like, you know, you got account that butts in seats, you gotta count that and how do we that that two minutes scroll through that person who sneezed when they're looking at the newsfeed. And maybe that counts as a view. Like, does that count on the reporting? Does it not? What do we do with that? And instead of actually like figuring out what's best, let's just throw it in there and then online goes higher or let's not counter it at all. And then it's not, instead of looking at more of the, the discipleship model of, of what's happening and how the broadcast is helping you get people connected either into, into the physical or virtual model of design.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 20:48 Yeah, it's interesting. I mean one of the things that, I think it was about 20% of those that we surveyed indicated they didn't even have the capability to measure their online attendance to really be able to know if was impacting their physical attendance or the level of engagement or, and I think that's also gonna. That's a, that's a big question in terms of what does engagement look like? I mean you, you compare Facebook and an online in terms of the amount of time they're there. but you know, I can, I can be also be online and it appears that I'm online, but I'm in the next room, you know, fixing lunch or, you know, whatever. And so it was fascinating to me when I talked, with the guys at virtual reality church last week, we were just talking about metrics and some of those kinds of things.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 21:36 And, that was one of the things that he said was he, he thinks, I think there's going to be a real difference in the way that churches think about, particularly if they're comparing virtual reality experiences to an online experience. He said, because virtual reality experience actually requires greater engagement, right? So, I mean, if you're in virtual reality, you're actually interfacing, engaging with the, engaging with the content and you've got your goggles on for goodness sake. You know, so it's, and so I think that's going to be a fascinating thing for us to try to figure out too, is what does engagement really look like? How do we measure that is it isn't simply about, you know, the number of minutes that somebody, you know, logged on or are there ways that we can, began to get at actually transformational kind of metrics, particularly when you go back and just start talking about the discipleship side of things?
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 22:29 Yeah, I think engagement and discipleship are the two things that we hear the most of churches have been streaming for awhile of how do we unlock that? And the thing that probably the podcast talks about the most, you know, say, Hey, I know we moved to the next level, engage and disciple the people that are coming and not just now there'd be paths and followers, but the, and there's, there's so many cool things going on with that. You know, there's search online platform trying to make a bunch of updates in their platform to make that easier. And there's streaming providers like us, they're trying to do cards and stuff that comes up. And then I think that too is like the churches that are, I'm killing it on the marketing side of the church, aren't at all killing it. And probably the discipleship online, you know, it's like very different.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 23:08 Like you have like, like everybody wants to do it. Elevation does, cause they have so many millions of views, right? And there's so many and it's so cool. And what they do is they cut up little chunks and they post it all. And they do, like if you look at their marketing team, it's amazing. Everybody wants to be that. But when you're a small church, it's really hard to mimic that. You know, they do things really excellently, and have the numbers to where the algorithms worked to their favor and do all that really well. So it might be good for a smaller church to say, Hey, let elevation be elevation. And God bless them in that way. like my 15 year old, you know, cousin bro, you know, whatever, nephews just watch Stephen Furtick all the time and never go church, you know. But then does it, if you're a small church, do you care more about discipleship online?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 23:50 You know, cause that's your niche. It's interesting the whole influencer marketing separately is that influence at some level. Typically when you talk about Furtick and Elevation Church and those kinds of huge followings, but in some other realms that are impacted by online. For example, I do a lot of work in publishing as well. And one of the things that we're discovering in publishing is a, you have a great, you have a much greater conversion rate if you want to use that term. when you're actually working with not necessarily the biggest number, but with the right number. And so they began to talk, use this terminology of micro influencers. and so in many cases, you know, there are some of the major brands in terms of books and authors are having greater impact by taking a subset of their big fan base.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 24:40 But these are really people who are totally engaged and are really going to be able to, are really champions of the product. And so there's probably something for the church to learn, there as well as we think about the engagement and attraction process as well. One of the other things that's happening in that space is we have a partnership with an organization called glue. it's a big data subscription platform and one of the things that they're being able to do in addition to being able to more accurately understand who it is in your community so that your communication, how whatever the marking looks like is really hitting, hitting, hitting with, connecting with the people that are going to most likely say, yeah, that, that that's what I need. I'm going to go to your church. The other thing that is really in the beginning stages and that we're actually working with them on a couple of places, it's developing some assessments and I think that's going to be something that's kinda get built into a lot of these platforms as well that will help with measuring some of the transformation. So you've got some kind of pre and post tests. So you have the ability, when somebody launches a or begins to engage in a small group online, there's a, some kind of an assessment that they take and then when they've completed the a season or a six week series or whatever, there's kind of a post assessment. So I think that part of what's happening digitally is really growing as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:57 That's great. Yeah. I've, I've been running some betas with glue on that assessment and, and and kind of the, the vehicle engine they're building around that arguably for me. And, and I've told them this, this is some of the most exciting things I see honestly in the church on online today because it's starting to now develop a system that I can build a discipleship process around online. And it's not, Oh, I gotta utilize this platform and get it to integrate with this and this and this. And, and, and the data is all over the place and something breaks and on. All these different people are pointing at each other. Glues really starting to figure out how to do that. and, and are putting something in place that, that any church relatively easily can build a discipleship process in place to get people connected online.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:43 How many churches are actually thinking through that next step process? in terms of, Hey, so they're watching now, what's their next step? Depending on what platform they're walking on, is there a unified next step? Is there a bunch of different databases kind of roaming around in different churches and they're struggling? How are they kind of managing a lot of it?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 27:00 Okay. That's a good question. It's a, it's early on I think in terms of, I would say they most aren't managing it well. you know, we've, again, kind of our leadership network, primary client are really large churches and even in the really large churches, as we've worked within the data space, you know, they're, they, before they can even actually be into effectively engage in some of this big data, this third party data, they're just trying to get their first and second party data. Right. You know, and get their database to a place they even know who it is. It's in their, you know, in their own church. And so, but I think that there are, you know, there's a, we work with a group of churches, probably about 45 churches that I would say are kind of on the front end cutting edge.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 27:43 They're the ones who are building out the, the resources and the tools are figuring out how to use data, understand, you know, how to close your back door. You know, what are the indicators that somebody, somebody's about to lead. in terms of ministry, they're building out some, propensity kind of profiles that help them to understand who are the people in your congregation that her, whose marriages are likely, in trouble and what percentage of your people are that way or in that, in that scenario as a result, what kind of discipleship and tools, who we need to put in place. And so, a lot of those conversations are beginning to happen, but I would say it's, it's still pretty early in this stage. All the assessment process that we talked about, now I talked about previously with clue. Those are all built in such a way that when you complete the survey, based on your responses there, there are a customized next steps that are developed. so based on kind of where you are in the process. And so I think some of that next step process is going to be cooked into the assessment tools.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 28:44 We touched on it earlier where church online is great for like a front door. These are our visitors, people that don't even know, who you are and are just trying to really start to learn more about your church. They're interested in the side door approach of, of how, okay, I'm traveling, I'm, I'm away, almost snowbird in, in Miami beach who actually is from Canada back and forth and able to connect with, the church that I'm attending from, from a distance when we start to talk about maybe this digital door, maybe these people who are not physically in this space, but this is still part of their church. they are engaging in spiritual instruction and discipleship, but not in the physical realm. Like, what, what needs to happen for the church to see this when we have this conversation? Often, at least I do when I talk with pastors, they're like, Hey, that person on the other side of town or in another country, in another time zone, that's not my responsibility. All the discipleship that I do is in the physical realm. What are some hurdles that we need to do to kind of get past that? What advice could you give for some of us in the, in the church online realm that maybe see things differently? How, how can we help change this culture?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 29:59 Well, I think, anytime you're making, any kind of cultural, anytime you're wanting to make a significant ship like that, it's really a culture shift. and anytime you have new ship to culture, the primary way that you do that is through storytelling and giving examples over and over and over again of how you know, how it actually is working. it's the same thing we talked about in multisite all the time. You know, if you really want to become a multisite church, you know, you need to be talking about not the fact that tread opening another building, you're talking about the why you're doing it. Kind of goes back to the why as well. Chase Oaks church, where Collin's dad's the pastor, I think when they were a master at it and when they launched their multi-site strategy, their kind of framework was this value of you have to love where you live.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 30:50 And so they said, you know, we're going to really live into that value. We can't have people that are driving in 45 minutes to get to our campus on legacy. We need to be able to allow people to worship, engage, you know, in their community. and so I think some of that translates into online as well. So anyway, that's, I think that's the big piece of, going back to your question, how do you help people get to that? It's telling the stories of transformation, telling the stories of where it works. An online campus, pastors, senior pastor, whoever the gatekeepers are and the influencers are in the context of a church. Telling those stories of success, is, is really, really important and key.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 31:30 I agree with that. And I think, thinking about, as a funnel is really, really helpful. So the reality is, if you, if you, you know, the, the purpose of streaming is, there's a lot of benefits, but if you do stream, there's, you know, 40% of them is what the reporter, irregular attendees, people that you don't know that, you know, when seek us back with the number they said every time they run anything, you know, 30 to 50%, are people that they don't have any track, don't know, aren't in any member database, never filled out a contact card, et cetera. And like the, and the interesting thing about that is like, that's, you know, 40, like for most, or does a really concerned about growth. So in that funnel, you have some of those people that have never been to your church.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 32:09 They're just watching online, right? You get some people, if you ask them in a grocery store, they would say, I'm a Chase Oaker or I'm a, whatever, but they haven't been in three years. Right. But they watch online every however long. And so I think the question is of like, Hey, what's your strategy for getting those out of the funnel? You know, it's, it's probably okay to say some of those we want to attend in person. Right? but for a lot of those, that's probably not okay to say for whatever reason. whether they're out of, the city and attendant person or whether they just personality wise would never come to a church until receive more transformation or maybe never, you know. and then you have, you have all those buckets of people. So I think as a church just thinking through, Hey, let's be honest about, you know, 40%, whatever, here's the funnel. do we have a plan for those different people in different walks of life? Right? So like are we, are we thinking about and trying to shepherd the spiritual development but people that we won't ever see, you know? cause that's, that's our steward. and so I think thinking about it as, Hey, that's the reality of what's happening. no matter what you believe, you know, so how can we steward them the best? Yeah.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 33:17 I was gonna say, because you know, we, we used to think in terms of that in terms of Christmas and Easter only and now there's this whole other category of online. Right. And so it's interesting you guys chat with any churches that actually have a strategy for that or there at least they're thinking through that process.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 33:37 Good question. No, none that come to mind immediately. Yeah, none that come to mind immediately.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 33:47 Yeah. There's one named by that you're engaged with. Yeah. Jeff would know their names. I sat in the session. but there we did a session basically that what ended up happening, I don't know if this was the session title, but we talked about the funnel of church online and how did you pull from that? and how people see that. And there's, it's cool cause what I, what I think is happening is like the churches that are between 500 - 4,000 people that are really doing the most in that cause they're, they're driven with growth, right? They're not, they're not the 10,000 people, churches that really care about growth, but they're comfortable. You know, it's like the churches that are like, we need this to grow. Our senior pastor sees this as like the strategic difference of our church and we're going to see this differently. So Jeff, you probably have, I would like if you talk to that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:26 Yeah, so we did a, was at The Church IT Conference and we did a podcast. It's, it's redefining the why of church online and, and it's, it's, it's on the podcast. I'm not sure what number, but what we really the challenges and it's really the biggest hurdle with, with church online is trying to figure out who that person is that's watching. you know, and so like you can create code, but there's privacy issues. And so like we want, we want privacy, but at the same time we want to be able to, to access information and figure out how to do ministry with them. By the way, like that issue exists at the physical church too. I mean, how many of our people sit in the back of the room completely disconnected during the message and try to haul out of that lobby as fast as possible without somebody even saying hi to them.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:17 I mean there's a large percentage of people, unless their kids are actually checked in to the, the children's ministry and they, or they give, we have no idea who they are. They're not active, in members or they're not serving. And so the, the challenge of church online when, when people are like, yeah, but I don't know who they are. Well, you don't know who they are in the physical realm yet you work hard to figure out how to engage them. You come up with ways, gimmick solutions to get them to join in a group, to, to meet the pastor, to put a face to a name and, and do that. A lot of that, there are some churches that are figuring it out. There are a lot more that are, that are trying and experimenting different things. But at the end of the day, it's, it's that same intentionality towards, I need to figure out who this IP address is because that, that person, that IP address has a soul. And as a result of that, I need to spiritually care for them.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 36:11 Of course. Yeah. At the end of the day, people have to raise their hand right in the digital world to be able to say, yeah, I want to be contacted. So I think, you know, I think some of the churches that are doing a good job of trying to figure out how to get, help people raise their hand, I'm are approaching it from a little bit different perspectives. So again, I'm going back to crossroads and going back to dipping in that well, a little bit, you know, but they have a series of podcast that they do now that are specifically targeted at different demographics. So one is targeted at, women who are in executive leadership. Wow. And it's primarily a podcast that's around, I mean it's around, you know, things, certain things that would serve someone who's a woman and leading in a, in a company in some form or fashion.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 36:59 So there's serving that, that person. and then weaving in through that, the opportunity for people, for them to be able to talk about what they do and crossroads and why that makes a difference. And then people have had that felt need, made, have that felt need met and they're going to be more likely to raise their hand to figure out how to be connected with on a, on another level. so I think that some of those kinds of things are really key. I think the other thing though is we do, there aren't a lot of people that show up online that we do have information on. and so it's figuring out how we create the system for a digital solution. Much like the analog solution that I used back when I was in my very first church and a long time ago.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 37:41 And we had, we had this one of my responsibilities as associate, what's the follow up on the people that were irregular attenders. and so I had this process that I developed where I would, you know, regularly call these people. and it was a, you know, in some ways it was a little bit like a drip campaign if you put it, if you put it in today's, in, in today's vernacular because it just, every once in a while they'd get a note from me or they'd get a call from me or they get some kind of, I drop by their house back in the day when people actually visited your pastor's visit your home and I'd leave my business card or whatever. But over time, probably some of the most significant ministry experiences I had as an associate in that church came from some of those people because I'd had this ongoing kind of contact with them. And whenever there was a crisis in their life or some, they had somebody who was going to want to get married or whatever, there was a big, they knew they had somebody to call. And so I that that's the thing we have to think of. Another place we have to think about in terms of next steps and continuing to nurture people is how do we, how do we help people be exposed to the opportunities for next steps for those that we do know as well.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 38:50 And I think this is where hiring a digital marketer for that role is really good because they think through, you know, buckets of people online, right? And they think through, and it's all about, you know, getting people to interact is all about personalization and workflows. People can do that really well. I mean, right now there's, if you hire a good digital marketer, they'll know. Like right now, there's something that you can get that it probably won't last very long, but you can get the personal email address of like 80% of the people come into your site and you can match that and you can email them even if they don't give you their info. Which is like probably total privacy, you know, rule. But then like that's what businesses are doing, right? And so you've got to decide like, Hey, what's what's okay for me to do versus whatever and then break down that law but at least have someone that knows, how to connect with someone digitally and, and, and workflows, and have paths and thought through past digitally, for each person that's coming cause taking that person and they're just, they're just visiting your site. You don't, you don't want to do it on the fourth or fifth visit. Do you want to do it on the first visit? You want to have them engage cause you know, that's the only time they might come. Right. Cause huge drop off rates after that. and so you need, you need someone to think through, okay, the first person is this person's coming, are they in this? What's the best way to engage them? You know, are they in this boat? Are they, someone that's, elderly in a, in a know nursery home? Are they someone that's watching? That's not a believer, that's never attended church before, that's checking it out, you know? And then if so, you know, you interact with those people in different ways and, and there's, there's a lot of great smart ways that churches are doing that to get those to engage.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 40:21 Yeah. So let's jump in our DeLoreans, let's get in our time machines and go 10 years in the future, 2029. What trends, what is church online gonna look at then? What is, you know, we're seeing micro churches now. We're seeing some start to start with, with kids ministry and starting to explore in that space. What's church online going to look like in 2029?
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 40:50 Everyone's quiet. Cause everybody will be wrong. If we video tape.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 40:56 Well, I have a very limited sample size two conversations. I've had actually three, two conversations and then one application. So I talked with, the pursuit church. Angela Craig, excuse me, Pursuit Church live and it's a totally online campus. fascinating things that they're doing. They have a, they have an international reach 45 countries, 43 languages, 49% of the people they're logging into are coming in from developing countries. And so I think we're going to see some online campuses that, but are never moved from being online. they have, they have a reach. They have an opportunity to connect in some unique ways there. They're beginning to talk about, you know, development of their teams. They're putting together an Academy to help train people, you know, how to lead in this kind of context. So I think we're going to see more and more of those.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 42:00 I also, you know, I was a little bit skeptical when I, went and spoke with or didn't go and spoke with. I had a conversation with, Virtual Reality Church. I'm drawing a blank now and his name helped me. DJ Soto. Yeah. DJ. but I think it was fascinating for me to hear him talk about the, not so much the virtual reality side of things and the technology, but just the way they're thinking through that. So as he was even talking about the different platforms. So there, the one of their primary, virtual reality platforms, he kind of equated that to a mega church kind of model cause it was kind of the most well-developed and you have the ability to do all these special kind of things, event registration, all these different kinds of things is kind of this mega church kind of model.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 42:55 And then you said they also have a lot of people were on this other platform whose name I don't remember right now, but he said that was kinda more like a house church, you know, kind of model because it's a little bit, it's a little bit scaled back. It's a little bit kind of more organic. And he's talking about the new platform that's kind of the new Facebook, virtual reality platforms company. He said we think that will be kind of a new model as well. And even began to talk about it in terms of launching either new campuses or planting new communities by using these different kinds of technology. So I think the virtual reality thing has the potential to begin to gain some traction over the next 10 years. It was probably 10 years back now, maybe a little bit longer than that when Life Church, Bobby Grunewald and those guys, you know, how to develop to was it's called Second Life. And you know, it was pretty it was of course way advanced for its time, but it was still pretty clunky. And I think the advances that have been made in the last 10 years will only accelerate over the next 10.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 43:59 I want, I want to ask a question and forgive me if I'm getting personal cause cause I'm really, I want to try to figure this out cause I'm all about the digital church and maybe culture isn't ready for us to accept the idea of a digital only church. But I think that from a theological standpoint it's there, it's just going to take time for acceptance. Greg, you asked the question and when you said that you went in a little hesitant, where did that hesitation come from? And at what point did that kind of a piece for you help me. You're a little older. You have a good perspective. I'm not dating you. I'm sorry. Gracious here. but, but tell me about that. Help me unpack here. So like what was the concerns and how did it dissipate or, or did it like where do you stand today?
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 44:44 Yeah, so I think that it was interesting cause one of the things that I, when I interviewed him I asked him what was surprising to him or what was surprising to others. Whenever they had conversations with him and he said, well, most people think that when they hear about virtual reality church that it's just fun. It's a bunch of punks that are gamers. You know, they're, that's all they, they're just living in this virtual reality. And he said, actually our, the demographics of those that are participating in our online church, yeah. Average age is like 42 and there are leaders that are actually leading and they're trading to lead are in that kind of forties age range as well.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 45:25 And so I think I just probably in general, I had this perception about virtual reality as being this gamer kind of thing. Not really. not really real. I think that, you know, for me it's probably still gonna be, there's, it's still going to be a process of transformation. I don't know that I'll ever get to the place where I'm going to feel comfortable just going into a virtual reality church are only going to an online church for that matter, because I do think there are some, when, when the opportunity affords itself, there are some things that can happen. and, you know, face to face kind of conversation, that don't happen online. so that's probably, you know, I may be showing my age, I may be, but, I think there's some of those kinds of realities.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 46:15 The other thing that, that was kind of fascinating to me when I talked with Angela at Pursuit Church Live, which makes total sense to me, because they don't do any kind of visual kind of thing. And the thing it's, you're just, you're logging on but you're totally anonymous. You may think you may have an avatar or whatever you develop, you're totally anonymous and so she had actually, she's up in the Pacific Northwest and she had a gathering where she invited people to actually of physically, and to come together for a physical gathering. and she said what was so fascinating was the diversity of the people that showed up and people had no idea, age diversity, theological diversity, ethnicity, diversity, socioeconomic diversity. Lot of people with handicaps, you know, that they physically couldn't participate in a church on a regular basis. And so this had kind of opened up the world of church and, a relationship with Christ and an opportunity to be in community, in some really significant ways. And so, I don't think that, I don't anticipate that it will ever become the only mode doing church, either of those, but I do think it has the potential to increase as being an amazingly effective way to reach people and, and allow people to be in a process of transformation and discipleship.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 47:41 Well, gentlemen, I really appreciate the time. Collin, Greg and Rey closing thoughts as we land the plane?
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 47:47 Yeah, I think, you know, church is historically very long behind culture change. And you know, when you look at the 20 and 30 and 40 year olds, they're just, the way their behavior changing is that they go home and watch Netflix, right? and many less people are getting out. And so if we think about how church drives change for that, it gets interesting. You know, like who knows what it'll look like in 10 years, but it does get interesting, you know, when you look at the behavior shifts happening now and if we want to meet people, if we want to reach people, we got to meet them where they're at. You know, they're not gonna come to a building if that's the only place they go to every week, you know, that has social interaction.
  
    
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  Collin Jones: 48:22 I mean, that's just unrealistic to think, you know, that's so scary. so I'm really excited that, churches are rethinking kind of a what, what does culture look and what does it look like to be Jesus to the culture? And it's really cool to get to see that happen all over the world and in small examples like virtual reality church and in bigger examples. And it just, it's evident that God's that move in the digital world and it's really fun to get, to get to watch it. So if you're, if you're doing it, please continue.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 48:47 Yeah, I think it's a, it's an opportunity for us to, it's a tool that God has provided for us to be able to engage different groups of people in ways that we haven't been able to do just as the other, you know, major technology transformations all the way back to the printing press, you know, have done. So. I think it gives us the opportunity to do that. I think it's interesting too, to think about, the fact that I think it would be that I think there could be a natural tendency for us, for many churches to say, okay, I've got to have an online campus or online, you know, serve as our online experience. I'm going to do that. In some ways they end up, I'm not thinking through it deeply enough to understand what uniquely has to happen in that online experience and maybe even how that online experience shows up online.
  
    
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  Greg Ligon: 49:36 That may not be as an online church. it may be in some other digital kind of expression, where people are living, that, you know, as you said, call people, go home and watch Netflix. there's probably not a whole lot of those that are unchurched. They go home and look for online for an online church service, of course. So I think that that hard work of really understanding how you, make an online experience, one that will actually intersect with where people are living. I think it's a really important thing for churches to think about as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 50:09 Yeah, you got to have a strategy behind it. And so with that strategy comes intentionality to figure out who you are as a church and what that representation looks like online. My challenge is is that if you're broadcasting services, you should be considering a discipleship process because you're missionally engaging people anywhere around the world and if somebody gets saved, there has to be some sort of a intentional discipleship process, small groups, next step, something for them to get further in. But no, those are very good words, Greg, thank you for that. Hey Rey, as we're wrapping anything on your end?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 50:43 Yeah. Just to piggyback on what you're saying, Jeff, you know, so many churches don't really think through the discipleship process on the onset anyways is an important factor. You know, they think about having small groups, they think about having messages and not even just in an online environment but even there in person environments. And so that next step, especially as we enter a new decade where engagement is really the driving force and you know, we've talked about that often, how churches need to understand better and we all need to work harder at helping people through those next steps, whether it's in person or even through digital platforms and thinking about how there are the same next step, no matter which environment they're engaging in. And so, you know, my hope and my challenge and listen guys, great study, very encouraging stuff. good things to hear. Our hope is that more leaders, more church leaders take a look at their next steps and think through how that can happen on all platforms, in-person included.
  
    
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      <description>One of the pioneers of Church Online jumps on the podcast here, Jay Kranda, from a small little SoCal Church called Saddleback. No stranger to the podcast, Jay goes into detail here talking about Saddleback’s relaunch of their micro-model… Saddleback “Home Gatherings”.
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Host: Jeff ReedTHECHURCH.DIGITALTwitter // Facebook // Instagram // LinkedIn
Co-Host: Rey DeArmasChrist Fellowship Miami OnlineTwitter // Facebook // Instagram

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Podcast 003: Jay Kranda &amp; Creating Healthy Biblical Community

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      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
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    Stat time, are you ready? Here we go. The average church in America has 73 people attending a week. 80% of churches in America today are under 200 in weekly attendance. These are shocking stats for me. As a guy who spends so much time working with multisite churches, megachurches, even gigachurches… I don’t think I had completely realized how small churches are in America.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Episode 37 of The Church Digital Podcast. We're taking a different approach here as we're going to look at things on the small. Normally when we talk about small, we're talking about micro locations, small groups, things like that that are happening in church online, but honestly I was called out recently by our guest on Facebook. We're having a different view with church online. You see, historically I, Jeff, I've been working with a multisite churches that are mega church, even giga church level and so just transparently my view of church and even church online is more of this mega giga church level. It's a much larger church. Here's a fascinating stat that I've just discovered here recently. 80% of churches in America today are under 200 in attendance any given Sunday. While I've been focusing, and I'm transparent here, I admit this, while I've been focusing on the big church, come to find out that the majority of churches that are out there aren't big.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:58 The majority of the people that are attending aren't big. They're attending the small and there's this whole other level that we should be reaching at the small church and helping smaller churches are discovering how smaller churches are utilizing technology. How are they utilizing church online? Until this point I bring in our guests for today, Joe Radosevich, who is a pastor of a church plant in Belgium, Wisconsin. Belgium Community Church, is a small church plant, up there and Joe's got a big heart to reach the people in his neighborhoods. He's got a big heart to impact people with the gospel and create disciple makers who are capable of creating other disciples. And it was a pleasure to have this conversation with him today as we dove into this idea of small church, church online. So for this conversation, I'm bringing in Joe Radosevich obviously church planner and lead pastor there at Belgium community church. I'm bringing in Tom Pounder who of course anytime Tom comes into the show from a YM Sidekick podcast and digital bootcamp and all the things that he's doing. Man, it's always a pleasure just to hang out with him. I'm bringing in Rey DeArmas. Rey is a common guest host here at The Church Digital and of course Online Pastor at Christ Fellowship in Miami. And my course, myself, Jeff with The Church Digital to have this conversation on small church church online. Hey everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 02:27 This church has actually started 25 years ago. But long story short, after a period of health, it declined to so that they closed their doors. So they closed the doors strategically for a year and a half while looking for a pastor. The denomination chipped in money to renovate the building. And so basically it's more like a church plant that has a building. There's some history, but basically we have a new name. It's a new church. and, and it's in a community that really surrounded by communities without churches, without gospel, evangelical churches, even, even mainline and Catholic churches are closing up in this area. So there's half a million people within 25 miles of us, but they're made up in small towns and they're little towns where oftentimes there's no church at all or there's no church that's preaching the gospel. And so anyway, so we're kind of coming out of the church plant circle, looking at a town, looking at a series of communities and saying, how do we reach these people?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 03:30 And quite honestly, the front door of our church is online, we know that we know everybody has a mobile device. they've got computers and TVs and smart stuff and all over the place. How do we use these things to get our front door as closely as we can or as close to people as we can get it. So that's kind of where we come at the church on my end livestream kind of conversation is I'm using it to disciple the people that we have and using it to reach people that are in our community and wouldn't be reached in any other way.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 04:06 So I moved up here June of 2017 so two and a half years. The church restarted a little over a year and a half ago. So the first six months was a Helter Skelter, renovate a building, gather a core team and launch a church. Yeah. So two and a half years. and I'm realizing that was a pretty breakneck peg for the first two and a half. So yeah.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 04:46 If I had known it was a church plant, I would have run, I thought it was a church revitalization, that's what I thought it was a, and I had a failed church plant in Illinois. The Lord used it to really teach me and grow me, prepare me, for some things. But if I had known this was a church man, I would have run away. But I'm actually glad I didn't because I really found a lot of my gifts in the middle of all this. So anyway, so I, this was a position that I thought was a revitalization. And so we moved up here and said, okay, and I really wanted to go North because I wanted to go to a place where, and we're not just another flavor of church, which I realize that's even changing in the South. A lot of churches are closing super fast and people are not hearing the gospel, but I want him to go to a place where people go, I've never heard this before.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 05:31 This is really good news. and really that's what I found here in Wisconsin. I'd never been to Wisconsin until I interviewed for this position. But, to hear people go, I've never heard this in my life, what are you talking about? And for the people in our church to get division for that and go, yeah, there are people in our lives that thought Jesus Christ was just a swear word. They didn't realize he was actually a person. And that the, we have a message and that there's good news. So for me that's super exciting. to be able to, being a player, I call it be a big fish in a small pond in the sense that it's not just, Hey, we've got a better, we've got a better worship band, a better preacher, a better something. It's we have something that you've never heard before and you need it. This is good news for you.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 06:47 What's interesting, and this is, this is a stat that, that I just discovered as somebody told this to me maybe a week ago, 80% of churches today are under 200, attenders on average. And for me, that is, that's an area that I just transparently, and I've said it before, like I wasn't as aware of the small church as probably I should have and working with Rey and, and some others like The Church Digital, we're going to start to turn the corner and work more towards not only a mega church, not only a multisite church, but, but also start to create some resources, towards the smaller church to, to help them. Because the majority of churches, by far, the majority of the churches are more like you, Joe, and the, you know, 200 and under range then, then the gigas and the megas that are out there.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 08:31 And when we look at the church landscape and there's 300,000 churches in the United States, 1300 of them are over 2000. Let's say 10,000 of them are over a thousand people. Then if you just increase those 300,000 other churches by 10% 15% you would see a massive difference in Christian landscape across the country just by empowering those smaller churches to reach 10% more than they're doing or for some of them reaching anybody. But anyway. so anyway, I just think of that analogy that reaching like really equipping smaller churches, a church like ours, it will be a lot easier for us to double in size than it would be for one of you guys to double in size. Right? The kinds of things you guys talk about helped me a ton. And so we've got people that follow along and say, Hey, we've been following you guys online for months and we finally decided to come in the door and then we get the chance to disciple them and walk with them and equip them to begin reaching the people in their circles.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 10:27 So they create motion graphics as both a sermon series bumper, but also as a Facebook invite for our community. Nobody does anything custom for anybody in our community. And so when we like reach out with our stories with, when we reach out with the same kind of tools that they would see online for any other kind of company, people in the community kind of sit up and go, Hey, this might be worth paying attention to. So they're kind of leveraging all of those tools to make sure that our live stream is a front door for people to connect with us. That we can do Facebook invites for people in our community. Some of the stuff that I kind of learned from you guys is that you guys have had discussions about front door, side door and only door only doors. Not really a part of our strategy just because we don't have the resources or really the need.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 11:12 We would rather say, Hey, let's let larger churches like Christ Fellowship and elevation and life church. Let's let them reach the people that the only door they'll ever have is online. But can we use video of either all or part of our service so people can kind of can get a flavor of what it would be like to come to our church before comings and we're kind of, we're part of the discussion I started with you guys was to be figuring out what can we do better because this has been helpful to us, but what can we do to make it even better because it's been a front door for so many, whether it's guests, they kind of come in and then just kind of come in once every six months or people that are kind of lurking and of saying, is this place for real?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 11:54 Is this a place that I want to go to? We also take those video and then we've turned them into video clips. The part of the eye. The idea for us is, since I work hard on my sermon anyway, can we use that the rest of the week to be a blessing and to be an encouragement, not just to go slap it up on YouTube in its full rank, but to go is there like 30 seconds or a minute and a half? That could be really encouraging for somebody that needs to hear, that needs to hear God's not done with them. And so we kind of go through and take all of the, you know, Adobe creative cloud to take motion graphics and to take video clips and to make graphic and podcasts and do all of those things. And so all of those things help us try to disciple during the week and connect people to our church so that they can grow as disciples and then be a part of the mission of reaching this community.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 12:48 Because really what we're after is can we reach and disciple people to reach the other people that will never come to our doors, not just as to, Hey, let's add 15 people. Let's add 20 people and to be 120 or 200 people. But can we, our vision really is every block, every community, every people. Can we get to the point where we have a family in our church discipled and engaged in the mission of everybody else on their block. We can't fit all of them in our building. So how do we use digital tools and the in person, you know, relationships that we have to equip them to reach everybody else. So that's good.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 13:30 How's that working for you guys? It's all in. It's mostly volunteer driven. I spend some of my week on some of those things cause I'm like, Hey, if I'm gonna spend that much time preparing a sermon, I might as well make sure it's in a good form for a video clip or a podcast. So some of that I've learned to myself, but it's mostly volunteer driven. So, like I said, we've got some really, really capable volunteers who are like, wait, God can use my gifts for the kingdom. Let's do it. And so they just, they take things far beyond what I could ever imagine.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 14:11 So it's funny because this week I found out there is a church 15 miles away that's spending $100,000 upgrading their cameras. And we had, we spent less than a thousand dollars, but our volunteers are good enough that our quality is higher than a hundred thousand dollar camera system. It's good stuff but the big thing, so we use a, I don't even know the name of it, it's a small Canon HD camera that we said, Hey, this is going to probably work. It's going to give us enough of a zoom to work. But most of it is really built around Adobe creative cloud, which because of the nonprofit discount, I'm like, it's absolutely worth it too because it just so much easier and the volunteers can do it. but we've also used things like audacity, the free a music editing tool for podcasts. That's super helpful because what I find is in this community where people largely have a family religious background, even if they don't practice, they would never come in the door of our church as a first step because that would be to reject their family.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 15:13 And so they will actually download our podcast every week and listen, but, and, but they haven't taken that step. Ultimately to follow Jesus, they're going to have to reject their family, to follow him. But at this point I'm like, okay, a well edited sermon podcasts, which this may be something helpful to small churches is we do them in series, but then we package them in series both with our graphics with an intro and an outro for every sermon so that it feels like I could binge listened to this series from, we call it Adorn, you know, like lives that make the gospel attractive. It was a look at the book of Titus, but it's like, Oh, I haven't listened to five sermons in this series or Failure's Not Final. I could listen to four sermons from that series and you get a music intro.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 16:00 A couple of other tools that we use that I love is Sound Stripe. It's a music subscription. I think it costs about $130 per year, but you then have a license to use custom music in video projects, podcasts and things like that. And that really ups the level of our production for, like I said, invites, Facebook ads, video sermon bumpers, our live stream. We're trying something new. I was meeting with my volunteer after talking with you guys to say, Hey, what could we do that would improve our livestream? And we would say, you know what, an introduction from somebody in our church just doing a video to say, Hey, we're so glad you're here. This is a series that we're in right now, run the sermon bumper that we've already made. And then goes into the service and then leave. That helps kind of give somebody a connection point of, Oh, there's some intention to this. And at the end they asked me to reach out and give their contact info.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 18:07 And they do say that. And so that's kind of my hope or having other people in the church get featured. But they will say, Oh, we know you cause we've seen then your website and we've watched the videos like we know you Joe, even though you know, I'd never met them before. And so we actually got the idea for the intro and outro and stuff from the stuff that I saw you do, Tom, is I was like, there's more in their live stream and that's super helpful. So how can we make our live stream not just a video of our service, Hey, just watch a video of the service, but instead, Hey, please connect with us. Like let's make this personal. Let's make this intentional. The other thing that we, it may be helpful to other small churches and, is to begin to think through all of this stuff that you guys talk about. So you guys interviewed leaders who talk about pop-up churches and some other things to begin to think through all of those things through the lens of how am I actually blessing and equipping people right where they're at right now. So that instead of it in the church world, we can easily be, Hey, look at me. Come here, come and do this. We try. I've tried to tell our people regularly, like let's maybe once per week invite somebody to something. Let's instead try to figure out how do we bless them and encourage them right where they're at right now. Let's let the live stream be a current blessing. Not the livestream as an invitation to some kind of youth event or some kind of other event. Use every digital tool to say, you can actually hear about Jesus today. You don't have to wait to hear about Jesus on Sunday. Your marriage can be benefited today, not later down the road.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 19:55 That's what we talked about this week where we said, Hey, how do we, they're already connecting and watching the live stream. We've got faces. We're trying, we've got fairly good production quality at this point. How do we use that to not just drop the ball and say, well hopefully, hopefully we see you again next week, but to say, Hey, can you connect with us? Can you give us your contact and post so we can reach out? If we can pray for you, can you let us know? The answer is we're trying to head in that direction. One
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 20:24 of the things that we've done at CF, and Jeff was part of this too, is we've created a standardized URL that leads to a form that's basically our online connection card that we leverage both in our on demand services and also, at the end of every live stream, we're, Hey, if you want to connect with us, go to cfmiami.org/online or slash connect. For us it's been online and it drives towards that card. I even got it as a pop up. As soon as I hit that site, boom, it's in their face. And it gives them the same options that they have with a physical card in our context as well, just to drive towards that next step of, Hey, we want to connect with you. Or in some cases, Hey, you know, if you want to, you know, if you, if you prayed a prayer to receive Christ, you know, when you want to take that next step in baptism, we want to connect with you. All that stuff is there so that it gives them an option to connect with us. And then from there we've got to do the followup. We've got to do the real time pastoring of exactly like what you guys do when you receive data, when data comes into your context, live at church, that it drives towards that next step of helping them get connected and that's worked out well for us.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 21:28 That makes sense. And that's an easy thing to do. So anybody who's listening to this and isn't a small church, I recommend Squarespace for a number of reasons, but one of which is the thing that Rey just talked about is something that you can easily do. We do that for Easter series. We do that for any big series that we do. We can make a landing page that gives contact ability like that. And so the I that idea Rey just had is easy to work on, especially great a small church. Squarespace means you can do that as many times as you want.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 21:57 Yeah, exactly. And I think having one standardized URL that you're leveraging the entire time. This way, you know, no matter what series you're in, the URL stays the same. So you know, in our context for cfmiami.org/online, it's just been not communicated over and over and over again. And it's been like a driver so that no matter what episode they're listening to as they're bingeing, it's the same thing over and over again in their ear. Ah, I've got to connect, I've got to connect, I've got to connect. And I know where to go to. It's a good thing to have.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 22:26 Cool. That's a good tip.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:27 What is the url with you guys? Is it cfmiami.org/connect?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:32 It's slash online we used to do slash connect and actually slash connect actually drives back to online because I was like, all right, so for all of our former episodes I've got to make sure that we've got that. We've got it all, all working together and it works great and it's, it's actually helped increase the amount of engagement that we get online. Like we get more small groups on us, we're getting more, we're getting more engagement in terms of people wanting to connect more. And then for us we're even taking further next steps of treating them like a first time guest like we would live. And so in a lot of cases I'm even sending them, you know, like our first time guests gifts if possible. You know like if they, if they give us a data, if they engage with us. Also in our context, we do a mug for like our first time guests get, but we've also leveraged con, free content, like a song download from our worship team, you know, or maybe Joe, if you've got something that, Hey, here's like an extra bonus sermon from me that you want, that you can't get anywhere else.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 23:31 That's stuff that we've been toying around with for, to give extra added incentive. And that idea, that idea kind of sparked from, you know, kind of the old days when we would listen to, you know, people on the radio messages on the radio and say, Hey, if you connect with us, we'll send you a book. I was like, they might not want a book, but they might want extra bonus content for free. And that's stuff that we got. Let's just leverage it.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 23:52 Yeah, that's a really good idea. I've, I've toyed with that kind of an idea just surrounding, surrounding our community, being the hub for our community, like things to do or something. But that would actually be pretty easy, to figure out. Cause you know, in churches we come up with material all the time for all sorts of different purposes. And it would be easy to package a PDF of something.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 24:19 Absolutely. Yeah. If you could give them like a quick download like, Hey, here's my ebook.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:24 I love that. We've toyed with that. I think we actually did some of that back back in the day with, I mean, and there's so, it's so easier to do this now where, but we had, back in the day we had a, like a, I want to say she was a 90 year old lady who would literally type out the message, the manuscript messages of it. would you remember her name? Rey? What was her name? She, she, we were, we lived in Miami literally was this 90 year old lady who lived in a, I want to say Oklahoma city. And she would watch the messages online. She would like record it on a cassette player. And she had one of those like transcriber machines where she'd type it and then like use the foot pedals to pause the audio tape. And literally just type this thing out. And we started giving it away as books, like at the, at the front desk and then ended up turning it into like PDFs that we would give away as well. And that was, that was well received for a season. You can go to temi.com and it's, it's what I use to manuscript out my, my podcasts. It's essentially like, 10 cents a minute to get it typed out. So if you're preaching a 20 minute message, it's two bucks.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:41 Mmm. Yes. Huge win. And it's like 85, 90% accurate. The majority of it's, you know, I pay somebody like $15 to go in and clean it up, but it's, it's very good. Temi.com and so, but you, once you get that text and you can turn it into PDFs and eBooks and whatever you want to put her on a, on a webpage. The reason I put it on all my blogs is SEO value is huge. And so a lot of these, these blogs that I've done, people are searching for and it generates a lot of traffic to the website. Basically because I did a podcast on it and I use the word a bunch and then I turned that into a manuscript that Google could pick up.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 26:27 So that would actually be super helpful. To that, to making your series like bingeable because if you had on your sermon page a, you had both the audio video and the transcription and maybe some study guide questions that could be super useful to people down the road because then they had every kind of format that they want for that. You can use it. Somebody could use it as a small group curriculum. that would be super helpful to put it in a place like on your podcast or on your sermon page instead of just having audio. You could put all of those things, make it bingeable.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:06 For me, one of the things that, that I kind of look at when I look at some of these online small churches that are, that are doing this honestly and in Joe, like I, I've not seen your stuff, so I don't want to be like labeling here, but it's, it's low quality video and I'm a video guy and there's, there's a high level of forgiveness on video. But a lot of times smaller churches struggle to, to pull something off live that honestly, I don't know, that has to be live. Like there's ways that you can SIM live it or there's ways that you can, can fake the likeness or prerecord something in an easier format that doesn't necessarily have the audience it like, or the, the wide shot that, that, that's further away. like, so if you're not, like, if you're not wanting to do worship in the broadcast, you know, one of the things that I, that I've talked with, with pastors in the past on Joe and I'm just curious, how long is your message?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 28:08 Between 20 and 28 minutes.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 28:10 Well, that's actually on the short side. I honestly, I'm just going to be transparent. I don't know that I've met a pastor who's preaching a 20 minute message, so well done. The majority of pastors, I, yeah, the majority of pastors I talk to are, you know, in that 40 range, my, the church that I, that I attend Christ Journey, Bill preaches about 30 to 35, but previously it was 40 to 50. And so, you know, I would encourage a lot of times to preach a shorter message online. You know, maybe it was like the opening and the 0.1 and 0.3 into closing. You cut out 0.2 or sometimes some of the longer stories or illustrations that can kind of get cut to, to make it more, easier to digest for an online audience, especially if you're trying to reach that front door person, that visitor, that person's probably in.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:03 If you're a longer sermon, that's the person's probably not going to hang around for a 40 minute broadcast. But if you could preach a smaller sermon on a Thursday, on a Friday, on a Saturday, just even considered it a rough draft, a trial run on the message, preach it, and then you can book in end creative video for like front door people around it. maybe it's a two minute welcome that shows you know, that the campus, your church and how to check in kids or you know, something else that that's more designed to help people get connected to your church from that front door status. You can record all this stuff before the Sunday morning service and even in an, a much more creative welcoming environment than like the worship center would be. The camera could be much closer to get your detail of it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:00 And then render that video down. There are services like, restream.io, that is where you can upload the, to the cloud and you can use restream to actually schedule the playback of these, of that video file. Christ fellowship Rey uses it every week. I want to say you've been one year, two years. I think I did that before I left. So yeah, you've been on restream for two years where essentially, yeah, they are, they upload and I'm going to let the cat out of the bag, sorry. Right. But they upload their Saturday night service and and they, and they edit in announcements and things like that and then upload it to restream. And that plays back Sunday morning, like at the time they specify. And so it, it feels live, it looks live, but it's got content outside of what happens in the service. And so your content, you can even spend some of your message to really aim more towards those front door people without having to sacrifice what happens in the worship center. Does that kind of makes sense? You ever thought about something like that, Joe?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 31:12 Yeah. So when we started having that conversation last week and just began brainstorming, man, what are all the different models that you could do? Cause different churches have different needs. Yeah. Some of them have that too big of a wide shot. or the pastor is preaching specifically just in people in the room and that, so that makes total sense to kind of break the mold and say, Hey, what are the different things that we do best? And it could communicate best to other people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:42 if, if you're cutting like just straight up, if you're cutting worship out of the mix, using a restream in my opinion is a lot cheaper than doing something like a, a, a wire cast where you're going to start to, to time slip that message around. other SIM live elements like a prerecorded, you know, welcome to visitors and guests. That's different than the live. Like live is easy to do when you've got a solid block of content that is live. But if you're trying to mix live with prerecorded, it just gets, especially on a small church, because I'm assuming, you know, most small churches, they want to keep it or they should keep it simple because things tend to like roll on top of it and all of a sudden you're over budget for what you're trying to do. You know, try to either keep it all live or keep everything prerecorded and then figure out a way to, you know, prerecord some sort of a simple message.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:46 But it was fun. Like there was, there was, one of my clients was a small church. I say it may be maybe 250, maybe 200 people. It's probably the average church in America. Honestly, it was a church plant, five-year-old. They met in a, basically like a, a theater, a lecture hall. And so it, the camera was an in the back of the auditorium and that was maybe a hundred, 150 foot like, shoot. And so we had to get a very big lens to get close to it. They ended up spending a lot of money and for this, but it was still, it was like, it was a head to toe shot. and actually they had a screen above them that they wanted to work in. So, you know, the actual teacher was very small on this lockdown shot. And, and the teacher was, was walking around the stage and we'd look at their Facebook stats and they'd get 150, maybe 250 views, and it, and it just, it wasn't, it wasn't great, but it was, was okay.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:48 They thought it was, they thought it was as good as it was going to get. There was a, there was a month where the camera broke and instead of using that wide shot, the, the university actually had like pan tilt, zoom cameras built in and so they paid a little extra to utilize those cameras. Well the cameras were further up and they had a much tighter face. and the, the engagement on those videos were like five fold. It went from 150 to two 50 to like seven 50 to 1200 and same, same, same preacher. So it's not this, it's not like it's paid advertising that that drove it up. They, they treated the videos the same way. Everything was related to how the video looked in the frame. And I know a lot of times, you know, you're trying to try and have a camera in the back trying to be unobtrusive. and that being further away doesn't give people the emotional connection to, to the face, to the detail, to the person speaking and that if you can get that much closer, I, and I've seen it, you're going to get a much better product out of it and people are going to engage at a much higher rate.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 35:02 Absolutely. That's good. I actually think it would be worth it for you. I don't have in some form written or video or something to explain some of those video practices for pastors or in churches and small context. So our, our main volunteer was, you know, doing a bunch of research to figure out, Hey, what's the best way to film? How do we, you know, what's the angles that we want to be at? How do we even want to control the camera for the best effect? Because you can have a really nice camera, but if you control it poorly, then you just don't get your money's worth. So that would be totally worth a discussion, or some kind of a tutorial because yeah, being up close just makes a big difference. I get tired of seeing my own face on our churches stuff, but people want to see a face. Yeah, absolutely. And so we just keep doing it. Trying to include other places as possible as well. But people want to see a face and if it's super far back then they can't visualize themselves going to that church. They don't have any clue who the pastor is, what it looks like.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:09 And that would be the luxury of pre-recording this because that camera can get much closer and have to worry about audience in the room. Audio gets much clearer because you're probably just utilizing a microphone that's on me straight to the computer pack. Instead of going through front of house instead of a bunch of other RF that could conflict. And if there is issues, I can just stop and start back over instead of kind of struggling with any issues that pop up in the live venue. I pitched this to a pastor once and, and he's like, well, it feels inauthentic. And I'm like, Oh really? Like the average person's going to really pick up on that. I know sometimes it's difficult to preach to a lens. I've been down that road or not. I know that pain point, but I think you get a much richer quality kind of running out of this. So anyway. Rey, what do you got?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:59 Well, I was going to say, Joe, do you interact with the camera at all as you're talking to your online audience?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 37:05 No, not right now. Not at all.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 37:07 Man, that's something that I would encourage big time addressing the people looking straight into the camera and addressing them as well because it lets them know and believe me, for those of us who are watching on the back end of the screen, it feels like you're staring us right in the eyes and that you're talking right to us. And so like Jeff said, moving the camera up will help. But then as soon as that camera is moved up and you're addressing the camera directly and now it feels like you're talking to me almost like we're having a cup of coffee. And so that changes the engagement way up in terms of, Ah, Joe is talking directly to me and this message is for me. I'm telling you that, that that'll be a game changer in terms of your online preaching, it'll be huge.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:51 What I normally advise, if you do keep the camera in the, when the worship center, I know a lot of teachers, they'll pick up five or six spots or people in the room and they just dance back and forth. Lead communicators will dance back and forth between those five or six just looking because that's their preprogrammed spots. Make one of, make one of the spots just stop on the camera. And so even if you're, even if you get 10% eye contact where you're drilling in on that camera, that's a huge win to that audience cause they're feeling like you're connecting with them live. and if you're doing the prerecorded stuff, man, just drill into the camera. There's even teleprompters that, that you can get setups and iPads and, and software that then teleprompt plus is one that we've used in the past. I'm not sure what Christ fellowship using these days, but basically like it's the teleprompter just smack in front of the lens. And, um, I'm literally reading from the teleprompter at the same time that I'm looking at the lens and people can't even realize that, you know, faking this. Like it's so, and it's so easy today compared to, you know, 10, 20 years ago when you had to pay all this equipment. And it's really, it's, it's a, it's an iPad. It's an iPhone. It's stuff that you already have.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 39:07 Right. The other thing that it does, Joe, is that it definitely adds credibility to the people who are listening in the room to encourage other people to watch online. That's kind of like the weird spinoff that it does, is it helps create a relationship between that online and offline audience. folks who are engaging because people were in the room are like, Oh, wait a minute, Joe talking to them too. That's serious. Maybe I do need to share this with somebody else. And then for, and then for those who are watching online, they're like, Oh, he, he does see and care about me. He does know that I'm listening and watching it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 39:37 I'm curious with this, what percentage of people do you think are front door versus side door right now with your broadcast?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 39:45 Well, there's no question. It's, their 90% front door. The reason, the reason is so the reason is, and I'm going to kind of put some numbers in some of this stuff in context. So we're a small church growing from like not a handful of people. but we're also dealing with some of the things that small churches deal with relational issues. What a leadership structures need to look like. You know, like what does excellence look like when volunteer base load? Those we do with those kinds of things. but our, our last service has been viewed 240 times, which I don't love Facebook stats because I sometimes, I don't know what's, how many seconds they're counting. But if I look at it, it's saying 240 people have watched our last service. Mmm. And we had, but we had 55 people there. So there's no question that the people that are watching our service, right now don't come on a gig. Most of them don't come on a given Sunday. So if we have an average attend, like if we, if everybody came in the same week and we're at like, yeah, probably 80 to 90, you know, something like that. But if we're in an, in a given week, normally having 150 to 250 people watching our service either wive or during the week, then that tells me most of our views, our front or views.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 41:05 Yeah. The reason I asked is because there was a Carey Neuhoff article that popped up on my Twitter feed, today, where he's, he's quoting a rich Birch article, talking about how church online is a distraction to the majority of churches that are out there. And, I've, I've just hit, this is an older article, I think it's been around a year or so, and, and historically I've gone from, I'm furious too. I agree with him too. Like he's not even understanding the concept of what church online could be or refuses to acknowledge it. but, but the, the point that he's, he's trying to do with what we're just trying to show with church online being a distraction is that there's no purpose in church online with the majority of churches that are doing it. They're broadcasting their services merely because they can.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 42:00 The thing that I like about you, Joe, and, and what you're describing is you're describing intentionality towards utilizing church online to be the front door, to drive people to attend your service. I you what you're talking about, it's more intentionality than a, than I think I see from a lot of even some of the smaller churches, but also some of the bigger churches that are out there. And I'm just curious like, do you feel that tension of, of what that intentionality looks like or how did you as a, as a church plant pastor, as a, you know, rejuvenating a campus, how did you come to this conclusion that we have to have church online to be the front door as opposed to it's a, it's, it's going to keep people out of the building, which is probably what the average church your size would, would respond.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 42:54 Yeah. So the biggest thing is coming into this situation really. It was really while I was finishing school down in Louisville, my wife and I were just like, we just, we want to find a place to go make a circle on the map and say we're going to reach out to these people right here. We can't worry about anybody outside of that. We're going to reach the people that are right here and we're going to make sure that the people in that circle get the chance to hear and experience the gospel through our lives and through the church. And so just having this intentionality of this, these are the people that we're responsible for. This is what we're going to reach these people. that might mean a small church. It might mean a large church. We don't know what that looks like except we're just going to draw a circle on the map.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 43:41 This is our responsibility and we're gonna take that responsibility seriously. And so then we come into the situation and I, I never thought a video was gonna be my deal. I kind of, as an aside, part of that failed church plan also had business and I was working in business and personal training and I worked in sales and marketing in the middle of all that and ended up realizing so much is happening online, business wise, marketing wise, attention wise, that we cannot ignore that and just hope that people will walk in the door of our church. And so we just kind of came into and said, what tools do we need to use to reach the people that we're responsible for? And we can, we could have a Wednesday night prayer meeting or I could spend some time they make a 10 15 minute video with a devotion.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 44:24 And people that I know from the chamber of commerce that don't attend our church are going to watch every video that I make. You know, they're going to, my neighbors on my street have never attended a service. None of them have. But several of them say, Oh, we follow exactly what your church is doing. We know exactly what you're doing. And so I just, I realized I don't want to rely online as a cop out, but more as a magnifier of the ministry that we can do. You know, I want to preach a good sermon on a Sunday, but the point is not to re preach a good sermon on a Sunday. It's actually to preach and disciple in such a way that people make a difference in the lives of the people in our community the rest of the week. So digital stuff is a tool for that.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 45:04 And when I look at like large churches or larger churches with lots of resources and they aren't using it and not saying, Hey, we can use this, to reach all of the people in our community in a way that we never could have before, it makes me wanna pull my hair out. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, you guys have the potential to reach so many of the people that are in and around your congregation. And you know, I just think that it's, it's worth it for those kids in our community that we'll never hear about love if we don't tell them about God's love. the people dealing with shame and guilt will never get to know the remedy to the shame and guilt that they carry if we don't tell them. And so we'll use all of the tools that we can do and to do that faithfully.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 45:52 That's a great perspective from a smaller church, like I just, I don't hear a lot of that. It's more of what's what's in front of me as opposed to the, the larger kingdom aspect. The thing that I think has impressed me most, and we didn't even really drill into it, is this idea of, of trying to get people on their blocks. Like you want to get someone to get out there and disciple the what was the term you used for it? The a family on every block almost, approach, right? Like where does that idea come from?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 46:29 So man, I kicked in, screened about the vision process. I was like, every church has the same vision. Love God, love others, reach the world, connect with God, connect with others. Every church has the same one. And I hope I'm not stepping on you guys' toes by quoting your visions. And I was like, this is a stupid process and kind of messy. You know that my superior, the guy, the guy from our district office who is kind of helping me with the church, anything held my feet to the fire and said, no, you need to really work on this. So we worked for two years to really understand the cultural context that we're in. Understand really what is, what kind of Congress, what kind of people is God creating for this, this location, and what does it look like for the mission of God that love God, love others?
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 47:11 What is the mission of God that doesn't change? How does that collide with our cultural context? What does it look like for the mission of God to happen here? And so out of that, I've took two years and when we finally like hit on it, honestly, when we finally hit on it, it was like people would jump across the table, say, I want to be a part of this. This makes sense. This is it. And so we, I don't usually share this. The vision behind the vision is to engage in, I'm sorry to equip an engaged 10% of our community's permission with Jesus. Really the idea that if we can reach and engage 10% of the people a year in this community and 10% of the people in the next community, those 10% can reach the other 90%. That's kind of that missions context.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 48:35 And in the middle of that, just somebody said, every block, every community, every people, which is really a concrete way of saying if we have a family, loving the people. And actually let me tell you the truth. That phrase comes from a man in our community said, how big should your church be? People are kind of skeptical. I mean, I know I'm a young guy. Rural churches don't usually have young guys come in and stay. They, I know that they're skeptical that a guy comes up to me and said, how big should your church be? And I said, I think I know what you're getting after. And I hadn't really thought about the answer deeply. So that kind of came from my soul. And I said, I think I know what you're getting after. But if we actually believe that Jesus loves every person living on every block in every community, in every street in our community, then we need to care more about how loving having somebody living on every block, loving the people that Jesus loves.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 49:26 Then we care about how many people can we fit in in our building on a given Sunday, so we're actually on mission with Jesus in this community, and so that's where that every block idea came from where we just said, you know what? Our Sunday attendance will be just fine if we have a family praying for their block. If we have a teenager in every classroom praying for that classroom and joining Jesus on mission in that classroom, if we have every team of every workplace has a person intentionally saying, Jesus, where are you at work? I want to join you here. If we have that Sunday, attendance will take care of itself. We won't have to worry about that. We need to be more concerned about equipping and engaging people in the mission of Jesus than we do about giving people a place to come to you on a given Sunday.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 50:09 And so then we began to say every community, you know what? It's not enough for us to reach this community. Every one of the 455,000 people around us needs a a church nearby to reach them in that same way. And so we're going to join with other churches and begin praying and working to see churches like ours that loving and living out the gospel to reach those communities. And then ultimately we said our vision can't be smaller than Jesus' vision. And if he says, go into all the world, Mmm. Then we need to go into all the world with every people just around the world. So that's where we say every block, every community of every people. And when I share that, the graphic designers in our church jump across the table because they say, I can help you use my gifts. Make sure that everybody in this community gets a chance to, in a relevant way.
  
    
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  Joe Radosevich: 50:53 Hear the gospel, we can make sure that, you know, I bought a, my volunteer in my life and my this. And so people get into, begin to concretely go, you know what? There's a lot of things I can't do, but I sure can make a note of everybody in my neighborhood and I can pray for them by name and I can reach out to the, you know, family that's hurting. And I know the mom and dad are about to go through a divorce. I can reach into their lives with hope and with love and with compassion. And so it really gives a concrete idea of two people in our church that, Oh, this is what it means for us to live out the gospel here. And then online stuff becomes a tool because we're so clear about what God's called us to do. Our Sunday service becomes a tool to disciple people who go during the week to reach the neighborhood.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 51:40 I love that. And once, once that vision is realized, and once your people buy into it, you will be, I believe God will do something big within your cities. And you're not going to be the guy that's sub 200, because, and not that it's about numbers. And I hate that even brought up the numbers, but God does something, when his people understand that they are disciple makers and that when the hero of the story is not the pastor saying come into the building, but it's when the people who are going out and our understanding of that it's their, their role, it's their personal mission, to, to, to share, to disciple, to create other disciples in the areas where they are like, that's, that's an exciting vision for your little area in, in Wisconsin. Man, I love that. That you're, you're starting this off.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 So it's confession hour here for Episode 36 of The Church Digital Podcast. And I'm going to, I'm going to confess something right here for you guys. For many years of my online ministry life, I never really saw the purpose in the point to chat host. I yes, I, I've told many of you that I felt it was necessary, and that, to model the behavior and to takes time and only 10% of people engage in chat. But maybe while it was right years ago, maybe that was, or maybe I was wrong all along, I really don't know. But in today's day and age, I'm discovering more and more than necessity of having chat hosts engaging in these conversations and, and my culture shift, my paradigm shift in view has really come from conversations like this that you're about to experience with Evan Connelly. So Evan is a combination of IT and in online ministry over with Lighthouse Church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:56 But he has a phenomenal, viewpoint in strategy when it comes to doing chat hosts and, and how that's the front door really to engaging in online community. And so I talked with him on the phone about the church it conference maybe a couple months ago and was blown away by the strategies that he had had in place, and got with him and was like, Hey, let's, let's do a podcast on this. But even in addition to the podcast, let's share some of the resources that you're talking about that you're using at your church and let's get it out there for others. Then he happily obliged to that. And so also in addition, listening to this podcast, be sure to check out the show notes because a lot of the policies and processes and strategies that he has in place at lighthouse for his church, he's got written up and we're making it available on the show notes for you right now. So for this conversation, I am bringing in Evan Connelly, IT and Online ministry over at lighthouse church as well as Rey DeArmas, who's the Online Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami and myself, Jeff in The Church Digital for a conversation on fine tuning chat hosts and community. Hey everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 02:07 So we have two different roles with online chat. We have one person who is operating under our brand essentially. So they're going to be commenting as lighthouse church with our logo on them, on Facebook, YouTube, that kind of thing. And they're going to be doing, bigger questions pulling from a preset list of questions. So things like, where are you watching from? How can we pray for you? let's take a poll. How many people attended in person versus online? How many people have watched before? How many people is this the first time watching? Just things that get people pulled in. we do a lot with emojis on that one. So like using emojis to kind of vote and say like, you know, this message is speaking to you. Put your hand up and you'll see a little emoji. Hands pop up. It's really cool.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 02:55 And even with of calls. so if we have an altar call in person, do and also call online. And so with that person in that role is going to post the question saying, if you just decided to follow Jesus for the first time today, raise your hand or comment. Yes. And I remember the first time we did that, I was just blown away when I was staring at the screen and I saw these little emoji hands go up. I think it was like three or four the first time. And I just beautiful, I think I almost cried. I was just like, I can't believe this is working. People just got saved online and they raised a little emoji hands to share that they got saved. So that's what that role is. And then we also have an online engagement team. So this is the team that's more open obviously without every team, if you're serving under our logo, that's a pretty selective team. We're going to have to know you for awhile. And as far as volunteers who serve in that role, there's not a whole lot of people who are going to do that. But then we have on an engagement, which is a much wider team in not just in who can do it, but from where. So we have a volunteer in Texas, we have volunteer in Florida because you can do this one from anywhere. And so that role, they're commenting under their own names. They don't currently do anything to kind of designate themselves as volunteers, which I prefer because it just feels like, Hey, I'm gonna have a person watching the service with you. And so whether they're answering the questions, responding to the prompts that we're posting under our main account, or maybe they're posting something on their own, just like, Hey, you know, this point here that really hit home with me. And then obviously with prayer as well, they do a lot of that. So if we see a prayer request pop in, part of their file process and what they'd been instructed to do is try to make a point of praying for any of those requests that they say come in.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:35 That's good. Evan, are you guys leveraging Chop as your primary tool or are you guys leveraging other networks for your, for your hosts, like Facebook live or anything else like that?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 04:45 Yes sir. So we are using Chop but that's actually new. We started entirely on Facebook and Youtube, and then just in the last few months we decided to add in shop, which we like. And I think we're still figuring out the best ways to use. But I would say the majority are definitely, the majority of our viewers are still coming from Facebook and YouTube. And I liked that we started with those platforms first because it really let us build those platforms. And on YouTube for example, we went from around a thousand subscribers to over 4,000 now and you've got a year, year and a half from constantly pushing people to that network. So we've had great results there. And that shot, features, especially with Facebook are amazing. Facebook by far is the best at integrating a chat with a live video, easy for you to uninterrupted to just watch, especially on mobile. And so, honestly, in my opinion, when it comes to live chat while watching the message, the best way to do that would be more on Facebook. And so we see the most interactive shot on Facebook and then Facebook or YouTube and chop are probably evenly split between, the discussion we see there. If anything, we probably see more of a discussion. Me too. But part of that's probably because Chop's still new.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 06:00 Right. That's good. That's real good. And you know, keeping in line with that, so the prayer requests that come in, do your host document them? Like how does that get back to you guys so that it doesn't just die there in the chat so that the church can be made aware of some of this stuff?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 06:16 Yeah. So that depends on how it comes in. Usually that's gonna be from the person who's working off of the brand account. And so we have a prayer team that, not just even for online, but it seems, is praying for any requests that come in throughout the week. And so if it's a really serious request, especially that's something that we'll forward onto that team. I try to make a point of going through all the chat logs, whether it's chop or Facebook or YouTube and if there are anything that hadn't already been prayed for. if it's, you know, just, it really depends on the severity of it. If, if it has already had a few people comment on it and pray for it, sometimes it might not or anything else after. Not sure if it's a really serious situation, maybe that requires a follow up or passing it onto our prayer team to have people continue to pray for that throughout the week. And then something new I'm looking at, I haven't started it just quite yet, but I'm actually going through and grabbing pretty much all of those requests. And then we have a Facebook group for our online chat team and posting those in there so that throughout the week they can take part in something not just on Sunday, but part of that role can also be throughout the week to be praying for requests to come up. On the weekend. That's good.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 07:30 That's good. how do you guys continue in community with folks? How do you guys keep walking with them with that, with your chat volunteers or do your chat volunteers also lead online communities? Like small group?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 07:42 Sure. You would definitely push online small groups for them. And then that Facebook group is a big way. I'm still trying to work out the best ways to use that and learning a lot about Facebook groups and how to keep a discussion going. It started off really strong and then the last few months it's been dying down a little bit. So I'm trying new strategies. They're trying to figure out the best way to pick that back up. But the Facebook group would probably be the biggest way that we stay in touch. And really the thought process with that is just to be able to have a place to share the wins. Because I think when you're talking about like what you each individually saw as you're serving, that's a real good way to show the value in what's happening here, how it's bigger than just that individual time slot that you're serving at. But how it's connecting to the bigger picture in the mission.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 08:25 So you've got a Facebook, you've got one Facebook group that basically is for your entire online environment?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 08:34 Yeah. For that team. So that's not like an online campus wide one, but just for those who are serving it just for that volunteer team.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 08:41 That's good. so keeping, keeping that in mind, how do you keep chat engaged? Do you have two chat hosts at the same service just to make sure that things don't die down? Or do you have one person, you know, even if things are dying down, they're still throwing positivity out. There are questions to try and get people engaged. Like what's, what's the strategy there?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 09:01 Yeah, sure. So we have a lot of prompts that we're posting, like it talks about from our brand account and those are going to be a lot of discussion starters. so like where are you watching from is one of the first ones we do. And we've found that that's a great icebreaker because people love, even if they're just crossing the street, it's really easy, low barrier to entry. It's not too, too personal. So we see a lot of people do that. We've found that once they comment once, it seems like they tend to comment more. So once you just break the ice that first time and get them in the chat, they're much more likely to continue as we try to start off with easy questions like that where it's just super easy to make that first comment and break the ice. And then throughout the service we'll do things like I talked about with, you know, if this message is speaking to you, let us know that, or let's take a poll and something like, how often do you watch, do you normally watch out at one of our in person campuses or do you walk the primary on that line?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 09:54 Things like that. And then depending on the message to like maybe we'll say, you know, the pastor, she made this point, Hey, who can relate, put your hands up and you can relate to what you just said, that kind of thing. And so a lot of that's coming from the brand account. But then we also do have those individuals who will also do things on their own. Very similar to that. Really like, you know, if there's a point that just hit home with them, they'll say, man, that just really stuck out to me. Who else here feels like that? Or I'm definitely, we're prayer praying forever. People that naturally keeps a check going that she has been really cool, not just with our team, but we've seen with these prayer requests to come in. A lot of times we'll get like five plus people who join in praying for someone in court on our team. Just they see, Oh Hey, you know what? I see someone praying for this person. I can do that too. And now you've got someone who would have just been watching. but because we have that chat that's active and you've got a few people who are breaking the ice and a barrier of entry there, now they see that I can do this too. And not only did they just watch service, but they just joined someone in prayer from wherever they're watching from.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 10:58 Good. How are you guys, recruiting folks for this? And I know you said that it's kind of a select group that comes into this, but where are you pulling from? You're pulling from within the chat, like, Hey, this person's real active. They could be a potential volunteer or what's going on there?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 11:12 That's definitely one way. we have had that where we see someone is pretty much already on the team in a way and that they're doing everything that we ask someone who's on the same. And so it's like, Hey, do you want to just keep doing what you're doing? And I'll say, maybe talk to us a little bit more throughout the week. and that's actually a great way to find people because naturally you get some people like that who are just really interested in being a part of the chat and they're going to do it regardless. So that's fine as well, coach them up and pull them into that kind of thing. That's been one way. The biggest way has been on online connect card. So in person we have volunteer opportunities and you can check that you want to serve when you fill out a connect card and sure we didn't have that option for online before we had this role.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 11:52 That just felt like a real loss to me. And it was really the reason that this team came about was I was thinking like how can we create a way for people who are outside, especially outside of our physical community in too far away to serve in person. Like how can they serve here? And I didn't want it to just be a role for the sake of having roles so they can feel like they're on a team. But I wanted them to have a real purpose and to really be able to be part of our mission. And so it's good. The chat post just seemed like the right way to do that and that's how that came about there. so the online connect card I would say is the biggest way that we get people for that role in particular. It's actually a pretty wide in that anyone can do that. Decent number of signups from people who fill out the online connect cards. brand account would be the more selective one and we don't give out any sort of password or access to that. So you're going to be in person doing that on a church device, but it's good overall is pretty wide.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:46 That's good. And it's encouraging that you guys would at least be willing to empower people on the brand account because that, that for a lot of folks would be men not, and I understand you guys are very protective of the keys, but young kind of exit outside of yourselves there. There's still a little tension and a little fear there.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 13:02 Totally. Yeah. And that honestly, that came about really out of just a need. So, I was traveling, I forget where I might have been to a conference and at the time we didn't really have anyone else on staff who were, especially back then, a little smaller on staff. So we didn't have someone else on staff who could fill in for me and do what I was doing. So I realized I had to appoint a volunteer who at the time we haven't ever rolled, which is broadcast operator. It's just getting stuff started on the different networks, making sure the strings running, talking to audio if there's an issue. So that's more of a technical role. But we had one person in particular who I knew could do more and so I trained that person over the course of a couple of weeks and got them to cover for me while I was away. That just led to discovery. Hey, you can empower other people and they don't even have to be on staff necessarily as long as you've had some time to know them, train them. and so that's how that came about.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:52 How do you guys, well, how do you guys manage the tension of the connect card? Because obviously it takes them out of the chat. And so how and when do you introduce that in the service? Because if you're going to throw a new link in a Facebook live or if you're gonna throw a new Lincoln YouTube live, obviously it's going to exit them out of the experience for the moment. Is it distracting? Like I, and I know that you found some success with that, but then kind of walk us through that as far as their engagement, their continual engagement.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 14:15 Sure. Yeah. We don't necessarily even put that in the chat every week, but what we do is, it's in the video description on Facebook and YouTube, it's the first link they see towards the top of the description of that video. So before, after they watch, it's pretty visible that it's there and now they're getting to it in a time that is not pulling them outside of the chat. Now we do have other links. We post occasionally if we're doing communion service, we post a link to instructions on how you can do communion in your home. we post links to small group sign ups when they open so that you can see what groups we have in person and online, that kind of thing. So we post them occasionally. but I would say we don't do them that often. Even some weeks we probably don't post a link that takes you up side of the video.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:58 You mentioned Florida, I think you mentioned Texas. Yep. so other, other States of how do you vet, how do you verify, how do you train? So like some person in a different time zone wants to, to serve at your, at your church. What do you do to verify that they're legit and that they're okay? Like what, what does that process look like for you?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 15:21 So right now, because they're doing this under their own name, they're not even like getting into, I mean, especially on Facebook and YouTube, it's pretty hard to give them any sort of like identifier. And it was just a little easier chap that they're volunteer, so they're pretty much under their own name. And so we don't feel like we have to be incredibly restrictive. It's not like a small group leader where we're going to do a background check or anything like that. there's an initial discussion, just like any of our serve teams just over email or maybe a phone call or text depending on their preference. But, when you first sign up for a team, just like, Hey, this is what we do, tell me a little bit about yourself. What's your background? Does it seem like a good fit? And then naturally it has a little bit of a discussion that goes about to get to know them.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 16:01 And then I have a training document that I put together. It's pretty simple. but it just walks them through what their role looks like, different ways that they can get involved, some suggestions on how they can comment and wording and that kind of thing for different parts of the service. And we make it real clear on that too, that as you're doing this, you're just talking to them as never person who's in this service. You're not representing the brand. So you're not saying like, Hey, welcome, we're so glad you're here. It's like, Hey, I'm so glad you're here. That kind of thing where it's not on the brand, but they're just doing this personally under their own name.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 16:34 That's good. And has that been, has that been well-received? Like are they okay doing that? Where there somebody in Texas is speaking for themselves and not, and not on the brand? Does that, do they struggle with that? Like how has that been received?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 16:50 As far as I can tell it's been received well. I have yet to have someone say that they were uncomfortable with that or that they didn't want to do that. so as far as the people who've said that they want to be a part of this team, everyone seems to be perfectly comfortable that I think they enjoy it. I think, I, when I'm talking to people who are new, I compare it to in person that we have greeters. You know, we have a response team that stands and turn on the stage for prayer after service, that kind of thing. And so it's very similar to that where you're kind of in your own skin, they see who you are and you're just doing that under your own name and your own identity a lot like you would be doing in person.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 17:24 How are you helping chat host, navigate their online persona? Because obviously being in Facebook live and all this stuff, they're not just connected on Sundays during the service. Hey man, when I post my thoughts on Johnny's pizza place, it's all out there. And some of those folks may interact. In fact, Johnny May have attended service and he didn't like your posts. So, you know, how does all that workout talk
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 17:47 to all of our volunteers and personally up on, we, talk about, among other things, social media and how you should be representing your testimony in a way that you interact online so that you don't want to be posting things that are negative or critical or that just come across the wrong way on social media. Yeah, that's just something, with any of our teams, you know, even if you don't serve online, we just wanna make sure that, you know, you're reflecting your testimony online and you need to be very careful about what you post and how that might come across to people.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:15 Yeah, I mean, and this is always a tough tension to navigate because, you know, and especially when it's not quote unquote staff like staff, you know, we feel, I don't know, a little more ease to like lean in on a lot of that stuff with a volunteer. They understand, but they don't completely understand. Not a lot of that. I'm sure that's just gotta be a challenge, man. Do you have an example of man, we definitely had to like step in and we had to help this person navigate that kind of tension.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 18:42 I've yet to have to do that with something outside of the Sunday chat of all, it's fairly normal when people are new to the team to have to just chat a little bit about the type of comments that they're using during the shot. And you know, it'd be helpful if you talk about it this way, what let's say that or maybe avoid this verbiage and let's say that kind of thing. It's pretty, it's pretty normal and have coaching with that. But thankfully I've yet to have a situation where I see someone who's posting something and I'm like, that's not representing us well. Sorry not to say that that won't happen, but a, just being fair so far, it hasn't. With your, your church, how your church is structured with church online. the chat host, what's, what's the goal of, of the chat host, to get the person to stay connected to the service for the entire service, to invite them back to next week to get them connected into a small group.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 19:39 Like when you, when you empower a chat host to do something, what's a successful, what's a win for a chat host for a volunteer? CentOS so ultimately what they're trying to do is create a sense of community. And so at a, when would look like, a few of those things that you just listed, we have small groups and so sometimes they'll just post a link to a small group that they see that someone's going through something. Like just this past weekend we had someone who just said that they felt really lonely and so someone shared how much that a small group had helped them and share to link to small groups and just said that that could be something that would help that person through what they're going through. So connecting them with small groups would be an option. Praying for people is huge. I've been blown away recently just in person and online seeing how it moves people to have someone pray for you there.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 20:25 I think there's a lot of people who aren't used to people praying for them. If you're not in inside of the church world, which I think you get a lot of online people who don't normally come to church, people aren't used to having someone pray for you and when you share a prayer request and someone actually takes the time to pray for you, I think that really touches people. And so that seems like it really pulls him into a service and makes them want to come because they see that sense of community history, that people that care about them that will take the time to pray for them. and just other next steps like our connect card. that's not something that engagement scene would necessarily do, but questions would be a good one too. Whether they're creating their own kind of question that gets the discussion going or being one of the first people to respond to a church question. So that, that kind of breaks that ice there too. And then see if there's people commenting. Cause sometimes just like in an in person discussion, no one wants to be the first one to speak. So when you see someone else breaking that ice, then you're more likely to share as well. So it just all comes together to create community.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:25 You know, and I'm actually gonna quote Rey's boss here, which is awesome. We had been steeply on the podcast and he, we were talking about about chat host with him on. And one thing that he said that I loved, and it's, you have to model what you want to see. And he was talking about, you know, almost having like ringers in the room, often engaging and talking. And so you'd have volunteer a talking and just even positioning, volunteer B and C just talking like normal people responding and engaging. And it's because it's your point. No. And he even said it. He very eloquent story. Nobody ever wants to be first. And so a lot of times if you want to, if you want to create that culture, create that environment, you have to show the people what it looks like and how to respond and then it carries on from there. And so, you know, I love that, that idea. Have you, have you gone through model seasons like that where you've had to, to model what it looks like, how have you done things like that?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 22:29 Yeah, I think that's definitely one of the things that this team has brought about and I think, you know, like you were saying, this is something I've heard people do. I don't think it's even specific to online. I know all the I've heard they ask their staff to sit in the front of the sanctuary, especially if their broadcast location because they want to know that people who are that visible people who are pulled into the service, who are engaging with the service, who are going to be standing up, we're going to have their hands up and clapping. And I think it's very similar with online. You want to have some people that you know are going to model that behavior and so that's part of that training for that team is just responding to that message. Whether it's a question of the church posted or they hear a point that the pastor made and they're just like, amen.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 23:10 That really hit home with me. Those kind of things where you're showing over people who are new, there's an actual chat going on here. This is what it looks like to be involved in a part of that and I think that just creates a sense that something's happening there. Whereas if you just have a video feed without that chat, I really feel like there's a different feel there. I feel like you don't have that sense of community without seeing those individual names and people in them stories they share in a prayer requests. That doesn't, to me, I would say that the online chat makes it feel more like church. Seeing the different people there and it's kind of like your, you can't do it exactly in the same way unless you're like a church home. When you build that custom app where you can have a lobby before service. But for the most part with the existing technology like Facebook or usually we don't have much of a lobby before and after service that happens naturally during your chat.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 24:02 So how are you guys dealing with, with the curls? you know, however they may come in, in terms of the chat, doesn't matter if it's cop, you have people find their way to your site and definitely on Facebook and YouTube live you'll occasionally get somebody pop in who has an agenda. So.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 24:18 Totally. Yeah. And that has happened. first of all though, I would say especially to a church that might be considering doing more enabling live chat, that it's probably not as bad as you think it is. Right. We got a lot of questions, especially if some of the different conferences that I've been seeing, you know, we'll have a Q and a time and we hear, well what about this or what happens if someone says this or you get this one person who's doing that? And I'll say, at least from my experience and what I've heard from other people who shared about doing online chat, I don't think it's really as common. A lot of people would expect it to be. You do have trolls on the internet. We have run into them, but they're far and few between with two or so years of doing online chat.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 24:56 I can only think of a handful of instances where that's happened. Even fewer times where I've actually had to block someone. So we try to give people a chance if they're not totally out of line, if they're not using foul language, if they're being a little critical but not to the point where they're attacking individuals or tearing anyone apart, we'll try to give them a chance because sometimes they're just hurting and they need to be there just as much as anyone else and we don't want to drive them away. So we'll try and give them a chance. And it just depends on the severity there. I can only think of one time where we've had to block someone outright for the most part. Sure it looks like giving them a couple chances or strikes before we go ahead and block them. We might hide their messages and it is various platform to platform.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 25:43 Like Facebook is great because you can hide their message and you don't even know that you did it and so they're just going along ranting. But they don't know that their comments gone. Whereas YouTube, I think it notifies them. It's more clear that that happened. And so you might have to address that a little differently. And then shop has a direct message feature, which I really like. I used that just a couple of weeks ago. We had someone who was being a little critical about the message but not terribly so. And so I'm sure I have a conversation on that person and just walk through, Hey, I'd love to talk through any feedback you have on this message. And, I tried to sort it out with that person. I'd love to say that we can't do a resolution and that person decided to stay, but the person made a couple of more public comments and that person didn't have to be blocked, but that was rare.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 26:25 That doesn't happen most weekends. I wouldn't even say that it happens once a month where we have to block someone or had comments. And the other thing we've noticed is that we have a very positive online community. And I don't know if we've done anything to build this or if it just naturally came about, but when we have a negative comment come in for one negative comment, we'll probably have three, five people who come back positively and say, well, you know defensively or just the count it out with positivity. And that kind of brings the discussion back. Sometimes you have to draw out to you because if it gets too defensive and not just positive, then now it becomes a distraction. And then we're going to try to hide all that and take that offline so that it doesn't come about that and it stays on the message.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 27:08 But a lot of times they just come back with positivity, not even directed at exactly what that person said. And then that just brings a discussion back. And it's interesting too, we've found among the different platforms, so starting with Facebook and YouTube and now chop, the more anonymous you can get. So obviously YouTube is somewhat in between. They're starting to push real names. Facebook is entirely real names. I'll probably block you if you don't have her own room. And then chocolate's totally anonymous. Like you just enter a nickname. It's incredibly rare to have to block somewhere to find somebody on Facebook. It's a little more common on YouTube and then your mom's, we've been doing chop, we found that's most common there. So I think the more numbness that people can get, the more that they can open up in good things as well. Cause I've seen prayer requests on chop that no one would probably ever share on Facebook. Sure. But you also, I think the more anonymous your platform is, the more likely you're going to see a troll. It's fair.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 28:03 Your, your broadcasts, we've talked about this before, through the podcast, but there's basically, there's three different types of people that watch online services. so your first is the front door. These are people who are watching your online service and they will eventually visit for the first time, one of your physical campuses. Second is types of person as a side door. This is somebody who is, already active in your church. They're just traveling and, and so there may not be available or may they just want to stay at home one Sunday. They may not like, they're engaged in your church already. Part of it, they're just attending the online services in order to stay in touch. And then the third service would be third type of person. would be someone who basically it's, it's the digital door. It's the only door they're never set in foot in a physical campus. They're not engaged. nor will they be because it's somebody in Florida or in Texas, somebody who for whatever reason, they're engaging with you spiritually, looking for spiritual guidance, but not necessarily, wanting to do it in a physical environment. Sure. With you DDA, with your online audience, like would you rank those three like a front door, side door, digital door, which ones are, is is more active than the other with your broadcast?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 29:21 Yes. So we don't have a really detailed metrics on that. We don't have a good way to capture that right now. But based off of what I see weekly with a chat, especially getting to see people check in with their locations, how they're watching. You see a pretty good mix. I would say it's probably close to evenly split among all three of those. We get people who normally attend in line and they'll say, I'm on vacation in Puerto Rico, so I'm tuning in from vacation and we get people who are local and say they're sick, we get people. I've seen comments that, you know, I live out of state but we're going to be moving here. So we've been watching for a few weeks now and we can't wait to move down there and watch it in person for the first time. Or I'm, I haven't attended church in a long time and I'm really loving this message.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 30:03 I live locally, I'm thinking about coming next week. And then we see other people who just live an extended distance away. And a lot of times I see those same people checking through on a frequent basis and they're definitely doing church with us. I just checked off an online small group, this small group semester and we've got someone in our group from Virginia Beach originally lived here and now as part of our online community and watches pretty regularly and is taking part into online groups. So we definitely have people in all those categories and just based on the feel I have for it from our online shop, I'd say it's fairly evenly split among all those.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:39 That's really good. It's tough to, it's tough to navigate that sense of community. and it's, it's really hard to navigate how a lot of people are going to engage in some of these different platforms. Those are things that we've talked about with some other folks. so tell us how else is the ability to be known, or the ability to stay unknown, impacting the way that people are interacting with, not just with the chat, but with your church and in general.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 31:06 Yeah, so this is coming from an online small group, this previous meeting, but I think it, we see the same thing with online too. So we had someone who started off camera off, wasn't really talking. and then in this, I've seen this transform through an entire semester, but with this person it was all at once and throughout the course of one meeting and then as we got into our discussion, the camera came on for like a minute and then turned back off and then the camera came on for a few more minutes and turned off. And then towards the end of the grade the camera stayed on and this person opened up and shared that they're dealing with so much anxiety right now, but they were just so thankful for this online group cause it got them to take part in something they probably wouldn't have normally done and just shared how powerful it was to be meeting with these other people online right now and to be part of this.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 31:54 And so throughout the course of that one meeting time, that person went from, you know, kind of hiding in a sense with the camera off to feel uncomfortable enough for a minute to turn it on, to leaving it on. And then even speaking and joining the discussion. And I think we see the same thing with the chat where people probably are watching for a few weeks before they take part in the shot at all. And then they start commenting a little bit. And then I have noticed like you see people who occasionally comment and then I'll start to recognize those names. And S he also had this person's commenting a lot and they just become more part of that community. I think for some people it's just a natural progression that happens.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 32:26 And I agree. I think that's, I think it's difficult in church in general. as far as folks wanting to go from being unknown to known, especially in a mega church, which is, you know, many of the opera, the environments that we're operating in, in terms of who want to come into a service either cause they've been burned in another church or coming in and they're fresh and they just want to sit down and, and just be for a moment, they don't really want to connect yet. They don't want to be part of the community yet. They just want to kind of soak in. So Italy and especially in the online environment, I mean they're, they're trying before they buy it, right? Like they are there to engage in that kind of experience before they really partake in the community cause they're still trying to build trust. Right?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 33:05 Yep. And I think online can meet them where they're at in a really good way in both of those. Because if they want to be anonymous, you can't be more anonymous than on your computer without taking part in the chat. Like you can literally just watch that video and no one's gonna know you're there. So if that's what you want right now, or you just want to hear that message, but you're not ready to be known, then online does that really well. But I think online you can be known better than in person in a way when it comes to a larger venue. Because if you've got 1000 people in a room, you might not notice that new person. You can certainly create them and say hi to them, but you don't, you can't ask someone when you've got a thousand people in a room, is this your first time? Cause that can come across wrong to someone who's been there for a year. Whereas online I think it's a lot easier to have those discussions and to get to know people in the chat because you can talk to all those people individually if they choose to start commenting. And I think you get to know them better than you might in an in person service. Did you, cause we don't have that front of interaction generally in a larger environment.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:04 You know, one thing that I've seen, several churches start to experiment and start to move well as like a next step beyond that service broadcast that the chat hosts can push to, is, is a church wide Facebook group. you know, talking about having like a anonymity. It's a softer sell. It's, it's less intimidating. They're coming in as their person and it's not, they're not hiding behind a nickname or something. or, or you know, invisible with, with a YouTube or chop. And so, but it's, it's, there's hundreds of people in this group and your util hunt may be thousands of people in this group, but you're utilizing the group to ask questions to, to push ideas, to meet people, to engage with people and to route them into, into a small group and so, or into a community or whatever your next step is.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:56 And so it's, it's really seems to churches that have done it well. you know, it was El elevation. I think it talks a lot about that, about how that they had had a huge success with that, Facebook group, and pushing it over. They're designed for the online campus and, and then using that to, to route people, effectively down the road to really get to know them. And the thing that I love about it is it's not tied to that one hour on Sunday. You can have a conversation with them on Tuesday or Wednesday and get to know people in that space and engage with them, on a regular basis. It's not just when that service is being and even ask your chat host to help engage the community in that space where they're not just doing that one hour on Sunday, but they're actively meeting and talking with people in that, in that Facebook group as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:49 Like there's there, I think there's an opportunity therefore for churches to really use, you mentioned before there's no lobby. and that's been like the biggest problem I think with church online is you get people connected to ministry into those next steps in the lobbies of our physical buildings. We don't have a physical building online and for some churches that are experimenting with it, that, that Facebook group for the entire online service really does become the lobby of the church. So, man, I, I would check that out. I, I'd kick those tires. Rey, you guys, you guys have experimented a little bit with, the Facebook group for the entire church, right? How'd that work?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:26 We are, and you know, it's one of those things where it's, it's doing good. It's not as good as I would want it to be because it's not something we promote very heavily outside of CF online. And I think we will continue to, as we find more power here, especially as Facebook favors algorithmically the groups, right? Like they're, they're putting more of an emphasis on community. So known in John's always talking about how Facebook is favoring community and favor and groups, and, and how we want to put more of an emphasis on that. But then Brad Sheer, came up with a great strategy that, that it was like, Hey, listen, even just kind of posing it question a day to just keep people engaged on the Facebook, on the Facebook group or, you know, and that's the strategy just to get them. And it's been a good way to kind of get the ball rolling in terms of getting people involved, getting people praying for one another, finding different ways to have them connect, creating that lobby experience because there's gotta be some kind of strategy behind it. We can't just have a Facebook group for the sake of having a group. We're really trying to continue exactly what Evan's doing. Trying to continue that conversation.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 37:25 Yeah. It's funny you guys bring that up because just an hour or so ago before this, I was talking to our arts director about our strategy of online groups or Facebook groups and what we're thinking about how we're going to roll that out. So that's something we're not doing currently, but we're, I'm talking through our process and looking to roll that out fairly soon. We want to have an online one like you guys are talking about. We also want to do that for our in person campuses to create those people and stay in touch throughout the week. And even some of our groups like that. we trying to figure out how we can do that to tie them into small groups and maybe link them to individual small groups that are going on. That's something that we're looking at as well. And I'm part of a few online groups from our churches.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 38:06 Um, on the elevation one, life church, I think rock church and I've been blown away by the amount of community that I see happen in these groups. It's just, yeah, like you said, those questions like you see a question like that get posted and so many people will open up about that or I love it when, you see someone ask a personal question like they're trying to work through something or I'm not really clear on this text. What do you think this guy, this means? And then you have people who just, just like church, I mean they're coming together and they're wrestling throughout together and are praying for one another. I think you really see a lot of church happen in those groups. we do have a Facebook group for our amendments right now and I see a lot of that happening there where people open up about what they're going through. They have a question and you just naturally see that community created. They do church with one another in a Facebook group.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 38:57 Rey, You ready for my hot take? Here's a hot take. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say this before. It's coming right here. I think I would rather somebody join a Facebook group, a private Facebook, a campus Facebook group. I would rather someone join a Facebook campus group, then fill out a connection card because if they're in the group, I now have a relational connection to get whatever information I want out of them and only know in a one on one engagement. So I would rather them identify themselves as part of a Facebook group. Gives me an opportunity to dialogue rather than them filling out a card feeling like that. I'm coldly trying to peel information out of them that I'm going to utilize it in some other way.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 39:47 I think Facebook needs to offer more tools to help integrate people into groups. Cause for instance, whenever we're going on live chat on Facebook live and you know, when we've pushed the group, you know, whenever we copy the link over, it's this massive disgusting link that gets dropped in, in the middle of the chat as opposed to having, you know, a button or something a little more simple that's attached. It should be integrated well into Facebook. And so I know that Zuckerberg is listening to this podcast. And so if you're listening to Mark, you know, go ahead and get on that. But, but in the meantime, you know, it is, Jeff, is proving to be one of the best things, to get people to do because they're going to engage in it on a regular basis. It does provide opportunity and more expressive place. You know, they could drop gifs into it. That can drop a whole bunch of things into it that you can get some fun responses and keep people engaged in the fun side of the community or Facebook, which is what it originally was before it became ads and all this other stuff. And so and it's so niche and internal in that you know, you're, you have people who are there who want to be there. They weren't advertised into it. It wasn't anything else. You have people who are part of your community that want to be there, that wants to take part in community. That I agree with you 100%. I think more and more there needs to be ways to connect with people through your Facebook group and not just in some, in some kind of way I'm just receiving data.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 41:04 I mean it just, it seems like it's so much more relational. when you fill out a connect card, especially at a larger church, like what does that process usually look like? You might get look at generic template email, which I think more and more people are starting to recognize that even if you auto fill their name and their, they can kind of tell, okay this is the exact same email everybody else gets. Maybe you even send them a letter in the mail, but it's probably just going to be something pre printed, like not super personal. If you're at a larger size where you probably can't hand write a card each person. But if they, you know, when you join a Facebook group, like it tells you that you're new, you can see who's new and if you have a one to one chat with them there that's very specific. It's very personal, quite. I don't think you can really do with more traditional new guests processes.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 41:50 That's good. Well, and relational really is, is the, is the answer to online ministry, right? because, and especially as, as cold as this and as technology is, we're trying to prevent people from not doing church in isolation and years of my life, I, I honestly just transparently, I didn't understand this, which is one of the reasons why I've been so distant on chat hosts cause chat host is really the vehicle that you get people to not watch church in isolation, to not experience that they're that front line. I used to equate them to guest services and I'm like, eh, who cares about guest services? Sure you don't need them. But, but it's, it's, it's more than that because you've got people who are watching on devices not engaging in effective chat. Host ministry is really going to engage that and get them connected into a more relational thing with a Facebook group or, or into a unto a small group or something like that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 42:47 And you're starting to build this discipleship pathway. And the, as much as probably earlier in my online ministry years, I was really, negative. I was more negative on the chat house and I was like, it's not, it's not really necessary in the grand scheme of things today. It's, it's vital. It's essential towards that because it's the first line of defense from discovering front, first line of defense to discover who these people are. and so, and Evan, man, you've, you've done a great job of putting together a program and, and talking through not only, you know, discovering these people who they are building these relationships, funneling them into use some sort of a, a community to engage in. man, I'm excited to see, what else is going on down the road with, with lighthouse and, and how this, this continues to, to grow. Hey. Okay. So let's, let's land the plane here. it's been great, but, but let's, let's call it a day. So, Rey, what do you got anything to land?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 43:46 having Greg job, I'm talking through and help and guidance through as far as some of the chat stuff. I, man, I hope to learn from some of the things that you guys have done and, man, if you guys have any, anything, any kind of resources that we could throw in the show notes just to help some of our listeners, that'd be great too. Just because I know that for us and we're still experimenting, we're still working with us here at Christ Fellowship Miami where I'm at. Chat hosts has improved the community of where it's been. And like you said, it's definitely helped people take that next step. And so for everybody who's listening to the podcast today, that's just kind of, if you're just broadcasting your online service but not necessarily creating community around it, let me encourage you to take that next step. Even if it's you, yourself as a staff member, find a way to create community around getting a started during the service.
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 44:31 I just want to have resources that people can steal and make their own. and that was, we'd been growing. That's been really helpful for us to be able to find people who are already doing something and just be able to learn from that and grab some of what they're doing and apply it to what we're doing. So I intend to have some resources that are just easy to take hold of and make your own. And so I can definitely get those to you guys by the time this goes public.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 44:55 Yeah. So we'll, we'll put, we'll put that on on the show notes as well and we'll link to it and make, make it public to everybody so I know that'll be a huge asset. So man, Evan for you as we're landing the plane, anything, anything specific?
  
    
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  Evan Connelly: 45:07 I just want to thank you guys. It's been great to talk through this. I've listened to several of your episodes now. I love what you're doing in the podcast and I just really think it's a great resource for church leaders, especially in the online space. So I'm just thankful for what you guys are doing.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 45:21 That's good Evan. Cause it's you, my mom and Jeff's mom, they're listening to the podcast and we're fired up just to know man is good. Your mom still listens. I don't, I know what I, I'm kidding. Only podcast, she knows about it so she can't, just to get her to open Apple music on her phone is a win. You know what I'm saying?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 45:45 It certainly has been fun. And you know, having conversations like this, like yours, Eva,n guys who are doing a piece of church online and maybe experimenting with things one way or another way, or even w being willing to experiment. Nobody really has the answered at church online yet. There's not a solid answer. And how Elevation or how Saddleback or how North Point's going to execute church online is gonna look different than how Lighthouse in Maryland is going to execute church online, which is going to look different than the church plant that's going to do church online. And so how we all can utilize this online tool to not only broadcast services but to engage with people and to create disciples. That's really the answer to this in the heart behind everything that we're doing here and in chat hosts, I've learning is a, is a essential part of that and is something that, that we as the church need to engage with specifically in the online environment. So man, Evan, thanks for the time here. Jumping on this and Rey once again, it's always great to hang out with you, but I am Jeff with The Church Digital and we're going to wrap here. This has been great and a hope to see you next time. Thanks for joining in. Bye.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 So Episode 35 here of The Church Digital Podcast. You ever have one of those conversations where you're like, I don't think anyone else in the country is doing this. Or even a step further and say, you know what? I think we're the only people in the world who are doing something like this. In 2019 where there's quite literally nothing new under the sun. Thank you very much, Ecclesiastes 1. It's hard to realize. It's hard to imagine that there's something knew that there's a new concept and nobody's ever done before. Ironically, we stumbled into something like that here at The Church Digital and in a side conversation about popup church. So I picked up the phone called a friend of a friend and eventually got connected with Brandon Catoe who is the, get this, He is the Pop Up Pastor for Christ Fellowship Church in West Palm Beach.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:51 So let me pause and I want to work through a couple of things here. First off, this is Christ Fellowship West Palm Beach, which is completely separate from the Christ Fellowship Miami that I was formally on staff at and Rey DeArmas, who is a guest host here, is currently the Online Pastor at. So this is a completely separate organization, which yes, they're about 90 miles apart and they always get confused on a regular basis. So plenty of side stories that we both can share about that. But this idea of pop-up church has almost been something that's been a whisper. It's been an echo. Well, what if we did pop up? What does even pop up mean? And so like I went into this conversation and we talked about it off air with Brandon. I didn't know what to expect. All I knew was someone told me, Hey, they're doing some incredible stuff with pop up and to be honest, I really didn't, I didn't even know a pop up was. And so I get on the zoom with Brandon, who's this pop up pastor. And basically I start off the question with, dude, tell me about Papa. And what followed was an incredible conversation. Centering around innovation. A church that's willing to do incredible things for an incredible growth opportunity to impact people with the gospel. So I love this conversation. I'm sure you will too. I'm going to present to you in this conversation. Brandon Catoe, who is the Pop Up Church Pastor for Christ Fellowship West Palm Beach and myself, Jeff with The Church Digital in a conversation surrounding pop up church. Here you go.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 02:20 So we started off a year ago kind of just dreaming up with this, how does this look? What are we gonna do? What does it, how do we even build a team for this? And so we really, that's what, that's what June looked like of last year. And then we finally got team put together and figured out a, a process somewhere to start. And then we're like, well, what are some of the things that have been successful in the locations? Cause typically the way the way we launch campuses here at Christ Fellowship is we would just take a team of probably let's say four to six people. We would plant them at most a high school and just leave them there until church built. And so we thought, what if we, our number 10 location was Jupiter, Florida, which is just not too far, probably like 15 miles away from here.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 03:13 The school was, they weren't as friendly when it came to storing our near and keeping our stuff there, the things we needed to keep on site to do church. So they made us put it in containers and trucks and all of this different portable stuff. And so we're like, well what if we took, we do so many things as a church in the community. We thought, what if we took this stuff and put it in a truck and made it portable? And we just popped up somewhere and did church. And so that's kind of where it started. And June of last year we thought, well, let's get into some communities and you know, we ask people to, we have people that drive sometimes three hours to get to one of our locations. And so we said, well, why don't we just start, pick a few communities and just go in their backyard in a park or something, pop up, do a big barbecue, have a family fun day, invite people out, tell them what we're thinking about, what we're going to try and if they'd be interested in.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 04:03 So that was really what we started with. The other thing here, at this Christ Fellowship, we take June and July, kind of kind of our slower months of the year. We kind of vacation a little bit. Our senior leadership is usually traveling, speaking. And so during those months it was a lot of let's get plans together, let's start dreaming about what we could do when they get back and hit the ground running. August 1st we will come up with all of the the plans and get the budgets approved and let's roll with it. So that's what happened. We kind of dreamed out a whole season. I did have my whole team for June and July. We just didn't tell anybody. We were kind of meeting in secret rooms. And then, so August 1st leadership gets back and we lay out all of our big ideas and plans and they're like, okay, go for it.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 04:52 Try it. So, so in September we did these huge, what we called them backyard barbecues and we went to the communities and we did these big barbecues and we had, we had about 350 people come out to the first one, we had about 400 people come out to the second one. And we were like, man, we could, we could build church. So, the thought was if we could, if we could get this thing rolling and we could take this gear, make it roadworthy portable, we could go to a different city each week. And so in a year's time we would build, we would plant and get a church to where hopefully, it would start to be able to self sustain and then then by the end of year to contribute back to the mission and all the things we're doing as a church.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 05:39 Well, what if we, what if we did that through pop up, but we were doing four at the same time. We could do one. And so that's kind of where it all birthed out of and what we've been doing. And so we didn't have our first church service until January of this year. So August of last year we laid out all of our plans. September, we did the backyard barbecues. October we did, we did something called relationship 101, which, really, we learned but we wouldn't do it again. And then, and then November we did something called a serve days. We, there's a lot of churches here. We're part of churching knighted. And so we, we partner with them to do something called love South Florida. And so we did a bunch of serve projects in November and both of these cities. And then, December we invited them, we messaged, we went to the mall in one location and did like a Christmas concert in the mall. And did the same thing for Halloween. We went to the mall up there, they call Mall-o-ween.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 07:27 At mall-o-ween. It blew us away. We took 500 little, like our Christ Fellowship. We call, CF kids, so we took 500 CF kids, little giveaways, just, Hey, connect with us. Here we are. We're going to come build church here. We gave those fifth in the first 15 minutes. We were out of those and it was 45 minutes before the event even started. So we were in trouble. Wow. That we were, you were, we were calling in resources and getting supplies delivered to us and it was a crazy night.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:58 So let's back up a little bit. Cause you're Christ fellowship West Palm beach. Yeah. Yup. I use it used to be on Christ Fellowship at the Miami. It's two completely separate churches. I want to make sure we're very clear on saying that cause otherwise, like people get confused. Yeah. Side note, every Easter, Christ fellowship Miami gets a bill from vendors that rent you guys AV gear and it's happened for over a decade. Like I can go that far back and tell you, they always send a bill down south that we're always like, Nope, wrong Christ Fellowship, that's up North. So, but, let's unpack this. You guys are eight campuses right?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 10:23 Well, and if I'm honest, we would w we would, we're proposing right now to move the timeline up even quicker to try to do this in six months. some things we've learned along the way. we launched the very first two. We launched them at the same time, which was, which we wouldn't do again because what happened is those two competed against each other all along the way. So through social media and different avenues that we're using to connect and drive attendance and connect with people. they're also watching one kind of outpace the other one a little bit, which isn't fair because they're in two completely. There are a hundred and 150 miles apart, so completely different areas, completely different opportunities. but so to back up, we spent a lot of time in 2018 building this ramp up. We spent almost seven months building this ramp up to get to launch services in January and January.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 11:17 We launched in our first two locations, which was Boca and Vero and we, we've had a lot of success. What we saw though is because we were only going once a month and we were doing on Sunday night, so not a prime time and only giving them one service a month. So everything we did up until January, we're different connect events, barbecues, things like that, engagement events. In January we gave them full on church services. So what you would experience at one of our locations with a little extra connect times. So we provided like 45 minutes hang time, Hey meet, meet me, meet our team, we want to get to know you. We want to find out more about, the area and what you guys love here and how we can be a part of it and all that kind of stuff. So really what we did is we put those two first two campuses kind of on, on a, on a competition with each other, which wasn't fair.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 12:12 So one of the things moving forward is we'll stagger them like we'll do one, let it get rolling and then do another one, let it get rolling and kind of kind of use that as a, as a model to see if it's a place. The first four locations. So these were a little bit unique because we kind of knew, we kind of knew we already had people there from online church. We knew that people were watching. We knew that we had people engaged with Christ fellowship in these four locations. One of them, which is our third one, was actually a home run from the get go. We intentionally didn't go there first or second because it would have really messed us up with any other location because it was a home run right out of the gate. These Western communities are perfectly located between our two largest locations. We have a church there. We know that that will be a location, but let's let it, let's let it start to organically grow that people hear about it. People get excited, but then kind of almost demand, Hey, we want bring pop up here. We want pop up. So in our first night out there we had 700 people. So we knew we knew that, but that's kind of what we expected. We were kind of thinking that was going to happen.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 13:43 So in the second half of 2018 those were connected events that we're starting to get the things in the water. Same were coming once we launched church in January. We only went once a month, two the first two locations and then we added the third location in there. Along the way in, in between there we have something we call the journey. So that's an opportunity for people to find out more about the church. It's a four week class, one hour. So we started doing hosting journeys in those locations. So people had another touch point with us. we after each service we created a like a 45 50 minute connect window. So, so each month we'd have the service, worship, everything we dismissed and then we dismissed the basically after party. The after party was building and pointing people towards the next time we were coming back.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 14:32 Also an opportunity for us to connect with them. Our team was all out there, highly engaged. We had all of our ministries that we were offering in that location. So like our groups were groups based church. So we had all of our groups, teams out there saying, Hey, we're, we have groups already being built. So we were, getting people in groups right from day one, trying to build groups down in those two communities right off the bat. And then also starting up students and young adults and all of those things that we offer. We don't offer every single ministry that like for instance, the garden, the Royal Palm, because we just can't, we number one, we don't have a building, we don't have a location. We can't be there seven days a week. So we had to pick and choose the best things to offer to build community in those locations.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 15:16 And that seemed to be journey so they could find out who we even are. Like, is this a church I even want to be a part of? So journey was a huge resource. Groups were probably our biggest resource to be able to get people connected and start to match people up and say, Hey man, there's a whole bunch of young adults here hanging out with, these are your people. They've got a couple of groups going, go check it out. We're not making you sign up for anything. We just want you to see what's available and if you want to be a part of it. So kind of, driving those from the beginning. Then we added. So after, we didn't really have a timeline, we were like, let's figure this thing out. We don't know what it's gonna look like or how fast it's going to build.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 15:52 We knew about the fourth month that we, they were getting anxious already. People want it faster, quicker. Now we want to church, now we've, we've seen the website we've been on, we've seen everything that you guys offer. We want you like give it to us. So that kinda changed our conversations around what do we do next? Where do we take him? So we said, let's go twice a month. So we have a couple expressions and all out of all of our locations, we have two evening expressions. One's called a city Knights and one's called a Okie nights. And these are kind of more creative, a little more worship life teaching. And so that was kind of what we modeled pop up after for the first six months than we were then we had to reevaluate, see what do we do? So in that six months we're like, okay, they want more, let's give them two services a month and let's go ahead and bring in video teaching that we use on the weekend and see how that, how that worked.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 16:42 Our Northern most, the furthest North Vero location went crazy. People just, they loved it. They were all in. So we said, let's identify the campus pastor. Let's start look for a building. We found a building fairly quickly. And so we told them, we said, Hey, here's your campus pastor. This is your location, this is a building. And that place just took off. People are engaged, they're hungry, they're excited. And then we as a church, we started something brand new called freedom. And it's a freedom study that our pastors wrote. And right now as a church, we're taking almost 14,000 people through freedom. And so we offered freedom and Bureau and the people went crazy that were overflowed with freedom on Wednesday nights. So now in Vero they have a campus pastor, they have a building, they have freedom every single week that they're a part of, which is, which are study groups that we will launch into groups. We have about probably 200 people in groups. And so that's been our, that'll be our first launch. That one's already in launch sequence right now. We're launching that in the beginning of 2020 as soon as we can get the done. And that's kinda how that one ramped up.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 18:21 That's a little bit different. Those two conversations really aren't connected. The first conversation was as a leadership team, which is a, which is a group of like five to seven of our senior leadership, start praying about looking at heat maps. There is interest in there, so we're, we're looking at, okay, we've got people watching online, let's pray about it is this scenario that we feel like we're supposed to go into. And then as God starts to open doors and stir the waters up, we're like, okay, we're going now. We've been working with something for multiple years called leadership college here at Christ fellowship. We have people in the pipeline that have been part of leadership college. They're on team and other roles, but they've been identified and we'd been watching this say, okay, this person could go here, this person could go there. They seem like a better fit for one location versus the other.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 19:05 So we start having those conversations with them. Just kind of getting in the water to see how they're feeling. And then our senior pastor did something really cool if you months ago, and they took a staff meeting. So every Wednesday our entire staff comes together for a staff meeting and a pastor, Julie said, Hey God, just kind of put it on my heart and I want to throw it out there. If you, if you are feeling stirred for one of these regions or one of these locations, or maybe you're at one and you feel like God's saying, Hey, I want you to be a part of this one. I just want you to raise your hand and let's start the conversation. And so we just threw it out there to see who was, who was interested, who was praying about what, what was God's during people's heart and how could we, how could we help them, you know, realize that sweet spot.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 19:46 And, it was pretty cool. We had, we had multiple people raise their hand and say, Hey, I'm really, really feeling stirred to be a part of this location, really filled stair to be a part of that location. and then the position that's probably the hardest to fill is that campus pastor because there's so much, wait, there's so much trust. There's so much culture. All the things that we really do, we we pray about so hard and we look for, we look for these different opportunities in different leaders and to see if men, do they look like a campus pastor? Are they starting to do things? Are they pastoring people without having the title? All of these different things that we look for is leadership. And so we have a secret list, I guess you can say of 15 to 20 people that are on this list that we're like, man, this is, they could be campus pastors.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 20:33 And so there is a myself, I sit on the multisite team, so we start to look at it first and say, Hey, yeah, we're all in agreement. These could be these, these would be great candidates for campus pastor, let's pray about it. So, and then we, we toss out there to our directional leadership team, which is our senior pastors and executive pastors and say, Hey, this is who we're praying about. Tell us, what do you, what do you see? What don't you see? What do you like? What don't you like? Is there hangups? Is there things that we need to process and look into? And then it takes a little while. So for instance, the Viro a campus pastor, he was, he was on the list for probably a year and a half and it took probably about seven months of stacking hands, praying, really just everyone flipping over every leaf rock that we could to make sure. And ultimately we all stacked hands and said, yeah, that's the, and what's cool is when we got to that point, God had already stirred their hearts. And even though they never raised their hand and said, Hey, we want to be a part of Bureau, as soon as we, as soon as we asked, they were like, we're in. And so since then we've seen God already move that before we ever even launched her chair. They're building church like crazy and it's really cool to watch.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:45 Very cool. So at this point, how many pop-up church services are you running a week? You're juggling the four locations like eh, I'm just doing math in my head and like you're your road kids probably hitting like it's more than one road kit. Right?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 22:04 Well, so what we've, what we had to do with two of them is kind of do a little, so one of them is a, is a location where we're doing, we're hosting freedom right now. So freedom is being hosted there and mid week we're not doing a weekend experience there in another location we're doing off night expressions of service there. So we can have Sunday nights specifically for Boca and Bureau. So right now I'm the first in the third week are we're in Viro and the second in the fourth week we're in Boca and we communicated ahead of time to the other two like, Hey, once we put these in launch sequence, we're going to have to pull back. But don't, don't worry, we're not going anywhere. We're coming back stronger than ever before. As soon as we launch one of them, you're up next for two, two week rotation until we can get you launched. And really we, we did that ourselves by launching them at the same time. It put us in a different, it put us in a weird spot. So we just have to get through this, these first couple launches and then we'll be, we'll be okay.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:02 Can you guys sustain like this, this amount of four campuses a year? Like does, does your multi-site process allow for launching four?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 23:13 Well, I would say
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:16 You don't ask that question.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 23:18 No, no. We, we've asked the bad tireless meetings about this. we are going to have to pause at some point because we are, we've never launched two in one year before. The most we've done is like we had, we had to go within nine months of each other in two separate years. but we've never, we've never launched two in one year. We've certainly never launched three in one year. And we're in position, we could launch four 2020 if we, if we wanted to. So, all everybody has been put on, cause I think a lot of people were like, is this even going to work? Like, should we really get riled up about this or should we really get put on notice and start building teams and people before we even know if this is a real deal. So I think after the first quarter of 2019 people were like, okay, we need to have some meetings.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 24:10 So we've been meeting with all of our core directors and just saying, Hey, who, who do you have up next? And as a leadership team we've said, okay, we probably need a pause on some things so we can start to fill our ventures back up. Because right now we're depleting. We're depleting all of our, all of our roster spots. so we're okay right now in peripherally leadership college and some of the other things we're doing, we'll back fill these spots quicker than, but we feel, we feel like this is what God's put us on this. He's continuing to open doors that just blow our mind. So we're like, we can't say, we can't say no. We have to, we have to go if he's opening doors and providing this and he, we just trusted him that he's gonna have the right people step up at the right time. And, but we, we are very cautious about what we're doing to our teams that the amount of pressure this is, but like our worst of in live production teams are stretched to the max right now. but they're, they've got some plans in place. They just shared them with us this morning as, Hey, this is what we're doing. This is where we're headed. This is how we're trying to fill all the gaps so that we can, we can be ready to cover. And it's pretty cool.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:21 Yeah. Here in an image, just put it in the context. cause obviously podcast audience may not be familiar with Christ's fellowship, West Palm, the production values at the Christ fellowship, West Palm campuses arguably are some of the highest in South Florida. You know what I mean? I can, I can probably rattle off three or four that are in the same sentence. And you guys, forgive me for even like uttering the sentence. You guys just, you put on a great show. There's lots of, of products and I'm a production guy, so I don't mean that insulting, it's just there's a lot of effort and energy that goes into creating that worship experience. now does that, does that port to like all these other places, like you're talking about putting together this road pack and traveling it around? Like are you doing movers, are you doing, you know, jump backs, cameras, like all the, the high energy stuff? So like the, the, the pop-up churches like are getting that same experience or is it like, what, what does it feel like?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 26:20 Yeah. so if you went to our location that have like all the roving cameras, Ruben Rover and cameras and all of that, stuff like that at our garden's location and I'm one of those, we're not doing the camera portion of it, but they still get all the movers. They get an led wall. I mean, it's top top, not, our team. I was just bragging on our team this morning because man, the production team has blown us away. All of our gears roadworthy they have built a system that is absolutely incredible. everything stays in Rhode cases, in the platform is so clean. W it's amazing. I wish I had some pictures I could share with you of, of what it looks like. I'm, I'll get some this weekend in case you want me to send them to you. But, they, they have a full, you know, we'll have four frontline vocals. We have a full band. We have everything on platform that you would see at any of other locations. The lights are incredible. we have, a massive led wall that assembles in like an hour. It's crazy how it all goes together. We have six trucks on the road that hold all the gear.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:35 Six, Oh my goodness.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 27:38 Yeah. This is like a wheel six trucks. So, two of the locations we go to and potentially the third location we go to, they don't have the power. So first we have to take a massive generator with us. that, that powers the whole deal. We have two 26 foot trucks that are just production gear. So the led wall, all of our RPA, everything that we need lights. fortunately we're not putting up a platform anywhere. We, we, we've got venues that allow us to have a platform so we don't have to set up a stage or anything. all the words that appeared, keys, drums, you name it, it's all in road cases, rolls out. And then we have a, a third 26 foot truck is all of our kids gear. So if you came to, Palm beach gardens or any of our permanent locations, you would see pop-up walls. You'd see full setups with kids' environments, all of the awesome stuff on the walls and all the pictures and all of the environments that are appropriate for those age groups. And we have made pop up walls that have all that same stuff on there. So these pop up walls come in cases and we pop them up. They're 10 foot by 10 foot and those wall off all of the kids' rooms. And so there's, there's five environments of those. And then we have our last truck is, full of like all of our environment, common areas, like our next steps, area, journey tables, groups, tables, all the ministries students, young adults that we set up areas for them to connect. And then our environmental pieces. So, high tops and stuff in the four year lights and banners and all of our core values and leadership principles and things, we put up all over the place.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:25 You guys have invested a lot in into this model.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 29:28 We have.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:29 Wow. Yeah. And that's, and that's, that's generating you results of, of like up to potentially four campuses a year, assuming they mature and grow as planned.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 29:40 Yup. We could, we, we don't see any reason why, why we couldn't launch four camps as a year. And honestly, you nailed it. It's the people. We just have to be careful that we don't burn our people out and that we, we are caring for our people and our teams first. Cause we can only go so far. They're only, we're only gonna be able to go as far as they, they allow us to go. So, those are some of the things that we're working on right now because we could, we could literally build another rig and be doing four more locations. now that we built it and we know what we know what it is. so yeah, we've, we've, worked really hard to make things super portable and easy to get in and out, up and down. So we set, we set a whole campus up in about two to two and a half hours. Everything from live reductions, kids, rooms, environments, everything.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:33 You guys process six trucks into two and a half hours. Yes. Wow. That, that, that's impressive. And that's, yeah, I'm just going back to like my other experience in live production and I just can tell you how much I respect that. Yeah. Cause that, that's, that's a lot of work in a, in a really short amount of time. and so having the, having the manpower to pull that off is, is really impressive.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 31:00 And honestly, it's mostly volunteers. So we'll have, we'll have probably a, so last night we popped up, we had, 28 volunteers and probably probably about 18 staff.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:14 Okay. To do that. How do you, like when you pick location five or, or one of these that you already have, like did you just pull up to the corner, unload and say, you know, here we are. Are you guys doing marketing or promotions in, in the area? Yeah,
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 31:31 if I was picking a number five right now, I've already picked it. it was, it actually came to us. Another God story. We had a, we had a coach reach out to us. we tried to get into the community first. So what we can, what can we do to serve the community? How can we serve the schools? How can we serve what's already going on there? What can we, is there another church doing something that we can just come support and be a part of it? because we know, in South Florida, in our region, there's 1.5 million people who don't know who Jesus is, never met him, never heard about him, don't, don't care to because they don't know. and so we know there can, there, there's not enough churches we can, we can put them up on all over the place, pop up all over and have two, 300 person churches and never reached a 1.5 million.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 32:17 So we look for opportunities to, to serve a school, to serve in ministry, to serve something in community government. Get with the mayor, the one that number five right now, if this is what ends up being number five was a, was a coach that reached out, had a need for, it's a low income area in the school. Didn't have enough food to feed the football team for their games. And so we got word that, Hey, you could, you guys could serve and help feed the football team. And so we're like, let's, let's go. What are we gonna do? which just opened up to another conversation and found out the principal's a believer. The coach is a believer and they're like, we don't ha, we don't have no church that wants to support us. We don't have a church that a, that loves on us.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 33:01 We don't have a church that sits in our school taking. And we're like, okay, well here we go. So, the, the third location was kind of that same way. There was a smaller church meeting there and just sat and hadn't found their rhythm and they just, through conversations with them, they were like, man, we would love for you guys to just come in this community and blow it up. Like, tell us what we gotta do to help. And the met with the assistant principal turns out he's a believer and he's like, man, whatever I gotta do to open the doors to get you guys in here, let us know. So honestly, those have been the opportunities we've had right out of the gate. We'll probably get a little more strategic as we get further away. you know, we're praying about going to Orlando.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 33:41 Should we, should we take the Papa trucks to Lando and go to Wayne that we're, we're praying. We, we originally were praying about our little region and we felt like God was like, why are you, why are you just worried about that little spot? Like, I have so much more. And so we're like, okay, well if fits inside Florida now we feel like, let's go. So we don't know what God's gonna do. We don't, we don't know what doors he's going to continue to open. But right now he's been, he's been amazing supplying us with opportunities and people have been so nice. There was, we've had mayors reaching out some of the disaster relief that we've been able to be a part of too. We saw open doors, so like hurricane Dorian just came through Bahamas and getting local government people involved in that and really supporting The Bahamas is opened up even more doors.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 34:29 So the fourth location, that we're working on right now, which will be a campus for sure, was a lot of the, the mayor and the vice mayor just coming to us saying, Hey, can, can you guys come help? And we're like, absolutely. How can, what can we do? You tell us what to do, we're doing it. And so, it was so cool. Another God thing they just said, we need, we need water in preparation for when the storm passes because we know we'll be the last ones to get water. And so within five minutes someone called and said, I have a semi truck load of water. I got nowhere to take it working you, where can we take it? And we're like, take a year, take it to the city. And so we, they rolled up with a semi truck full of water and the layers like whatever you guys need. So, so just cool. God keeps just giving us those awesome opportunities and we're excited. just to be, to be able to be a part of it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:22 That is so awesome. Who over over the, I mean this you're new on this road, right? You started, you were saying in 2018 earlier who, who's been your, your inspiration? Who have you looked at and said, Hey, like we want to maybe borrow a little bit from this, what other churches have been looking at that have been doing something similar?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 35:41 Um, actually, no, we, this was really the heart of our lead pastors, Todd and Julie, they just, they are so burdened for the loss, the broken, the hopeless and they're like, what, what are we going to do? How can we get to more wheat? When we looked at what we had done as a church and we launched, so when I stepped on in, in 2013 and we had, we were getting ready to launch our number eight, we launched eight, nine, 10 campuses. And when I was stepping in there, the number was 1.3 million in our region who didn't know Jesus was. And after those three campuses, which had been amazing success stories there, they're just so much life is happening there. God has done so much at those three locations, the number goes to 1.5 million. So we're not gaining any ground.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 36:30 So how do we gain some ground? And so really the heart behind it was our pastors was let's build something we can give away. What if we could build this? What if we could give it away to all of the other churches that are ready to go after this? And if, I don't know if you've been to our conferences or or any of that, but they really opened the cupboards at our conference and say take what you need. Here's the resources. If you can help, if he can help you build church, we want you to have it. And so that was really the heart behind pop up is let's build it, lets, lets be okay to fail or let's be okay to spend a few extra dollars to figure out how to do it right so that we can give it away. And then what if, what if 15 churches across the state of Florida said let's go pop up.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 37:11 And then we had, you know, all of these churches and then the whole 3.3 million in our state that don't know who Jesus is would be, have an opportunity to hear about it. So, we don't know anybody who's doing it. We've heard some, some opportunities where people are doing their version of it. It doesn't look like what we're doing. they're, they're doing it more. there's some of them that are doing it more of like an event style and we've, Oh, we've helped some of them there. There's three or four churches across the country that have tried it and they've launched locations, or in the process of launching locations out of it, which is really cool. that we were able to just lock arms and say, Hey, let's, we'll share what we got. Use it if it don't work. Right. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:54 And I know of a couple, maybe not at the, at the size of what you're doing, some a smaller to medium sized churches that'll like do several, you know, like an Easter, a couple of Easter services or Christmas service kinda in that seasonal time. And try to use it as a, as a public forward facing easy to access church and then funnel them into a physical campus or funnel them into a like an online digital discipleship pathway to get them connected to the online campus or something like that. But I've, I've to the level and the success that you guys have had of, of launching campuses or, or, incubating is the word that I've been trying to come up with for the past hour. Incubating these, these communities to the point where they can grow to become a campus. Like I don't know anybody that's had the, the success that sounds like you guys have had. And so, man, what an incredible idea. Well done.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 38:47 Yeah, and I, and I'll be honest, we're there are our furthest South region. It's not, it's not at the level of the other ones, but we feel like that's kind of our fault because we took too long to, one of the things we've seen in that, let's just society today, people want it faster, quicker, sooner. They don't want to wait. So we've taken a little bit too long on the Southern location. So we're actually having some meetings all this week of what, where do we go next with like, we have to move that campus forward or that location forward if it's going to be a campus. The Northern one was just an opportunity where God opens so many doors so fast. We were like, we have to go, like, we have to take these chances, which, which again, this is where those two are competing with each other and it, it's kind of a, it's kind of put the Southern campus off.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 39:36 Like they're like, you know what, we're watching all of this excitement up there and we're trying to explain Maine. We haven't had those kinds of doors open here. And we're like, we're, it's harder to grab. We're fighting harder. Like we're not giving up. Like we're, we're going after it with everything we got, but it's just not, it hasn't been. And then, um, it's close enough to another location where we know that people are going to that other location. So we're just trying to figure that out in the Southern one. But we, we fully believe we have over 500 people connected there. So we fully believe it's a, it's a campus that's gonna grow and could be a huge one down the road. but it's just been some delays that have been unfortunate, but we're going to figure it out and we won't want to at the same time.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 40:24 Yeah. Hey, so we normally talk a lot about church line in the podcast. This has been an exception, but I do know like this has been from an innovative idea like, I was really looking forward to this, this conversation and it went phenomenal. But let me ask this. What's the role? How do you guys at Christ fellowship West Palm beach? What's the role of church online in this? I know you're looking at it up front for that, for the heat map, for potential areas for what's next. What other role does a church online, online campus play at Christ fellowship?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 40:58 So it actually plays a huge role. And so what we use in our earlier, the first, like the very first time we pop up, we don't have anything really to connect them to except church online, which is a huge tool, huge resource in a huge way for us to, just to continue that connection. So we, we start messaging church online right out of the gate day one, just like, Hey, the three weeks were not here. We want you to go on live and go Christ fellowship.com log on and check us out. We got services every single week. We've got pastors on there. And then we do something called made for Monday. every single Monday we go in church online and we do a live prayer. just this opportunity to where they see my face or one of the pastors that they might recognize. We do live 10 may the longest, it'd be 15 minutes, but we pray over people that are from the different areas.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 41:51 So we're like, Hey, send in your prayer requests live. And it just gives us another opportunity to connect. So if we didn't have that, we didn't have church online or we didn't have that opportunity, it would have made pop up a whole lot harder because we wouldn't have that extra opportunity to connect. And now we're doing, we got groups online, we've got the online chat hosts that are in there, having conversations with them where I can't have all these conversations, my team can't have all these conversations, but we've got this massive resource of church online where they can get on there and say, man, I'm in, you know, I'm from Boca and I'm just, I'm really going through something with my family right now. I could use some prayer and, and they're getting prayed for it. They're getting loved on, they're getting connected, they're having that opportunity.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 42:32 And then we tell them, Hey, get together. one of the things we learned from elevation is how they do, they launched church through, like watch parties where they just have people come over to a house, three or four couples get together. Maybe they're having coffee or whatever and they, they turn church online on and they watch and they have a, you know, a house party and, a watch party. And so we started messaging that we're like, Hey, some of our churches that our friends are doing this, we want to encourage you guys the three weeks, we're not here. Get some of the friends that you'd brought tonight, have them over for coffee and bagels, put shirts online at church together. And you know what, we might just show up. So me and my wife and some of our team, we would just find out we'd go pop in their house and watch church on my way, just having a lot of fun with it and letting it build church, but not forcing anything but really, online church has been, you know, priceless as far as the tool goes for us to be able to keep people connected.
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 43:31 And then using our pastors. We've got a dozen pastors that pop on and do made for Mondays and, and we try to shout out anybody or, if I know somebody's going through something, I'll this, I'll use their first name only and pray for them and say, Hey, I know John's down in Boca and he's, he's had a rough week. He's trying to find a job. So John, I just want you to know I'm praying for you. I'm believing God's got something for you. I can't wait to see you in a couple of weeks back down there. our team's praying for you. Be blessed, you know, maybe share a scripture, some kind of scriptural thought that he could just take. And then I'll, and then I'll tell him, I was like, man, did you see me on screen for you online? And so it's, it's a huge resource and our basket is amazing. Helping have those conversations and sending me feedback, let me know, Hey, I just talked to this person. You might want to reach out to him. So, very cool.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 44:32 It's such a, it's such a powerful tool to help connect the DNA of who you are, even when you, when you're not there doing the long distance and, and a lot of that. And, we actually had Danny on, from elevation a while back. We did a podcast, you're talking about the, the watch parties and a lot of that. So if you didn't hear that episode, listen to the audience, go back in and catch that. It's, it's a really, really good episode. And one of the things that I loved about Danny in that conversation she had the entire time, she said, yeah, we're doing that now. We'll probably change it in two months. Yeah, we're just experimenting. We don't know what we're doing. And so no, what, what, what a great challenge for all of us out there that, you know, may be afraid to experiment or may be overly cautious, but getting out there and trying and, and seeing what God can do with it, which, which gets me to this, and we can, we can wrap on this. Okay. So there's a church out there that's interested in doing this. what's the first thing? So obviously it's a very rich idea, getting from idea creation all the way to where you are. What's kind of the first thing that you would advise somebody, a church and organization interesting and doing this. What do they need to do?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 45:38 Well, first I would just get with leadership and make sure that they're stacked hands on what it's going to cost in the kind of effort it's gonna take and know that your leadership's behind you 100% because it's a, it's a front loaded experience. There's a lot of expense on the front end. There's a lot of effort, labor, man hours, equipment, all that stuff that comes out front if you're going to try, if you're going to do it the way we're doing it now. I would also say if you want to try some of the things like elevation church and some of those where you're doing watch parties and things like that, very, very, very inexpensive and also really cool to be a part of cause you get to go and just be right from the ground up. So I would just start with a conversation and say, Hey we're, what model do you really want to go after?
  
    
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  Brandon Catoe: 46:25 Because there's a, there's a few different ways you can, you can approach it. And I'm not saying that we're going to do this one every single time. We may go in and do some watch parties in some areas. Like if we decided to go to Orlando, I could see us around in the city with watch parties and let's see what happens and go up there and really go at elevations in there right now. Then what we've been watching closely and having a close conversation with them, like, Hey, how's Orlando going? What's it looking like? Because we know they're, there cannot be enough churches in Orlando. Like you could put all you want there and there's plenty of, so that's the first thing. I would just pray about it and really figure out what, which way God's leading you or what you guys really want to go after because, some of the people we've talked to and just shared some of the expenses and what it's been like, they're like, Oh, I had no idea. Like we had no idea it took that much effort in like our pop-up days or 15 to 17 hour Sundays. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 52:02 Yeah. So I did that conference 2018, I believe. Yeah. And a phenomenal, really, really good stuff. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And, you know, a lot in the church, online and production, which were the two circles I was involved in at the time. So, but definitely will, I, over the next week I'll try to find some, link or something for the show notes or if you've got something, for the conference, we'll, we'll link to it, and get it so at least you can Mark it down in your calendars. but it's, it's well worth it. Well, Brandon, man, thanks for the time. Listening audience, man, thanks for being here and listening and once again, hope it was worthwhile for you. We'll see you next time here on The Church Digital Podcast. Y'all have a good day.

  
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      <title>PODCAST 034: Jim Tomberlin - Trends of Multisite &amp; Church Online</title>
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    The idea of the multisite church was born in the 1990s as church attendance was growing faster than the church buildings could sustain. Even in those early days, there were questions about the validity of the Multisite Church Model, Time has worked in multisite’s favor, though, as a “radical” idea 20 years ago has turned into a “cool” idea 10 years ago, transitioning into a widely accepted “mainstream” idea today.
  
  
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    This is the question we asked Jim Tomberlin, Chief of Staff at Christ Fellowship Miami and founder of Multisite Solutions. Jim has had a rich history as one of the early pioneers of multisite in the 90s, eventually joining staff at Willow Creek in the mid-2000s, helping them transition to the multisite model. Through his company, Multisite Solutions, Jim has influenced hundreds of churches going multisite. His depth of understanding on multisite strategy is phenomenal.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody. Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff. You've got Episode 34 and I'm going to tell you right now, I have been waiting for you all to listen to this podcast for a long, long time. One of my favorite ministry-minded people right now is going to be on this podcast. We've got Jim Tomberlin here today, joining us. Multisite Guy is his moniker in social media online and he's been inspiring people for decades in context, especially around mergers and multi-sites. He's been one of the early innovators of multisite, Jim and his company. You may have known from Multisite Solutions. It's got a track record with Willow Creek. And honestly, he's been inspiring me for quite a while, even before I met the guy. He's been an inspiration for me, centering around this idea of church and multi-site, decentralizing ministry and making it a scalable solution that can get out there.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 01:41 Well, my journey with multisite church began back in the mid nineties when I was a Senior Pastor in Colorado Springs at Woodmen Valley Chapel. I wasn't the original pioneer, but I was one of the original pioneers of this idea and it really was birthed out of a space restriction, which is how the multisite movement began. I came to a church of 400 people and over the first year I grew it down to 200 while it grew to a thousand, you follow me? Several years later, several thousand people later, we're out of room and out of space and so how do we solve a problem where we have no more room to grow on this location? It's a great location. We don't want to relocate. I in a few others around the country unknown each other began to experiment with this new idea of video that maybe we could be one church in two locations. That eventually got me invited to leave Colorado Springs and come to Chicago to Willow Creek to develop the multisite model there in the year 2000. I was there for five years and I launched the first four campuses of Willow Creek.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 02:36 Five years later, four campuses later, I was getting a lot of calls from churches around the country. How could you come talk to us about it and at that point I believe that accomplished what God brought me there to do. My next chapter was to help, was to serve the church, the big C church and this idea. Not thinking it lasts maybe three, four years, 15 years later, this model exploded, you know, just kept growing and morphine and more and more churches, doing this. And I was, growing with it that brought me here to Miami where we're sitting here now. And, working with was started to be my client and now still is my client. I'm serving now in an Interim Chief of Staff role here. And I've also recently merged my company, Multisite Solutions with my longterm friend and strategic partner, Tony Morgan and The Unstuck Group.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 03:22 And so that's been my journey with the multisite movement and it has been as I watched now what's been happening and I've been a big advocate for the online campus. It's a very similar journey, new ideas, innovative ideas like multisite, like the online church concept always started out as a radical idea that, and we saw this in the multisite movement and see it and now with the online is that it's gone from a radical idea to the cool idea, a into a cool idea becomes a mainstream idea. And so I see that pathway, unfolding by the online campus as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:56 Where did the, in the nineties I was a high school kid, I was playing football somewhere. I wasn't keeping up with church trends, but where did this idea of multi-site come from? Like where was the, the birth of it and how did it kind of build from there?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 04:10 Nobody was all meeting together and say, let's do a church a different way. It was really the beginning of the, with this movement really, it was a bandaid strategy for mega churches who found themselves out of room or out of space. That's what started me down this path in the mid nineties in Colorado Springs when my church grew to several thousand people. And we built out everything we could on our property that we were on and we were still growing and turning people away. And so what do you do in the mid nineties when you're out of room and out of space in a great location, you don't want to relocate. And so at the same time, in the mid nineties, early nineties, this new idea of video was emerging. And so, we came up with this kinda crazy idea when, if we could be one church in two locations using a video recording. I think back at VHS or whatever it was.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 05:01 I was thinking that way and a handful of other, pastors around the country unknown each other were having similar, ideas as well. And so, but what started out as a bandaid solution for mega churches to solve a space problem, grew beyond that to becoming a growth strategy for healthy churches of all sizes started out as a radical idea in the 90s. It went from being a radical idea to the cool idea in the turn of the century when a new church starters like Elevation and New Spring and some of those were starting their churches with a multisite model in mind. And they were the hip cool churches. But it went from radical to cool to now in this decade to mainstream idea and every, idea it goes through these stages where it becomes in time an old idea.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 06:00 And then at that point and old idea, either has two options. It either is rejected as an idea anymore and nobody's doing best ministry anymore, you know, or it becomes, there's a renewal of the idea, Hey, we're going to do it better. and, you know, make it better. It's a renewal or it becomes a Renaissance idea that is it becomes a new expression of the core idea. It's almost so fresh expression. You don't even recognize as his original idea unless you are a part of that. Wow. And so you see that in every idea that comes along.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 06:38 It's interesting. So back in the 90s, you're just starting multi-site, very few, are doing it. What were the challenges? What were the naysayers saying? What was the, you can't do multisite because of blah, blah, blah. What were some of what they were saying?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 06:55 I think the biggest pushback, Jeff, was video sermons. That was the initial reaction was video sermons. I remember when I went to my board and said, you know, let's, let's solve our space problem by renting a school, you know, in the next community, and take a video capture of our Saturday night service and show it on Sunday morning, put a pastor in that school and let's start a second location of our church in that school. And they responded back in the nineties or mid nineties, Jim who would go to church and watch a video screen and we had side screens, you know, for the PowerPoints, right at that. Not even sure if it was called a PowerPoint. We call it PowerPoints. Then when I went to Colorado Springs in 1991 as a pastor, the hottest and greatest technical, latest technology in the church across the country was overheard projectors. And so we suggested the idea and that was their response. Who would want to go to church like that?
  
    
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  New Speaker: 07:51 What was that first service like having a, you know, video driven. When we look back in history and we look back, you know, all the way back in terms of Steve Jobs and the pirates of Silicon Valley and what they were doing, everybody said they were nuts. And some of that was crazy. Can you take us back to that first service of Colorado Springs in terms of what that was like and how you guys from there saw the potential?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 08:08 Well back in that day, it was a cumbersome process to roll in this huge refrigerator-like piece of machinery with video equipment, projection equipment and all that in there, you know, video disc that you had to pop into this machines and all that. What was so amazing to everybody is that, and this is what we said in the early days, not everyone's going to like video. Not everyone has to like, only enough have to like it. I remember especially when I, this got me invited to come to Willow Creek and develop this model at Willow Creek in the year 2000. I was casting the vision for this in Colorado. I have a video that's on my website. I still have that video. You can tell it's 1990s cause it's so, different the quality wise I mentioned, here we are in 1997 in this video, right. As we approach the 21st century, it's time to think about church in a different way. One church in two locations. That was as big as my vision was at that point. Today, my church, by the way, in Colorado Springs has four locations and a couple more on the horizon.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 09:06 One inner prison and I attend that church when I'm there in town. That's my church. And so, I remember at Willow Creek when we were really rolling this out in a big way there, the older generation were saying, I don't know if I'm going to like the video that's for the young generation. The younger generation are saying it's too inauthentic. It's not real. When we opened, start opening up our campuses, guess who shows up all generations. Wow. And we found that on the most part, it was the church crowd that had the traditional church going crowd. And you know, we'll, the Creek was an innovative, progressive church in terms of that. But even that crowd was reluctant as we open up these campuses, people showed up. Learning was, is it's not about the medium, it's about the message and the messenger.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 09:48 Good content, video content, good messages, strong messages by capable communicators that's captured and delivered well works. It works in urban, suburban, rural areas. So that was one of the first takeaways was, you know, it will work. Right. and it did, it was working. I think a second criticism of the multisite or challenge idea in that time was, "Oh, this is all about celebrity pastors building their kingdom, spreading their kingdom." You know, I've worked with a lot of those pastors and you know, there may be some that have a little bit of an ego or get caught up with that, but I found that most pastors, large churches are small. If anything, we're often reluctant to do that for that. Very reasonably, it's not about me and I, you know, I don't want this to be about me.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 10:31 And you know, and again, I have my face on the screen everywhere and I said, no, it's really, it is not about you, but it's about the gifts that's, that's in you, the gift that's in you and how do we best leverage that? That was an early criticism. Hmm. We know today that when people think multisite they think mega church and video, but the reality is that today about about two thirds use video either partially or fully. A third now that our latest survey from leadership network shows about a third are alive does not use video. So it can be either or. And I'm an advocate for for both. I think I like to recommend to churches that they had to make, they had a build a live teaching team, teaching team, you know of more than once a communicator but make all campuses video capable either to lead out with video or to complement or supplement in the video. And that's where most churches are we going, there was a season where it was three-fourths video and if you know the early days, right, because all mega churches that are doing it, then it went about half and half and now our latest survey, it's about two-thirds are using video either partially or fully and a third are not.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:32 It's interesting how some churches maybe saw the challenge or the non perception where people would not receive the video screen well and they figured out a way how to create like a decentralized model or where it's maybe a teaching team that travels or a teaching team that shapes the message and then it's preached at individual campuses. You know, here in Miami, I know there multisite churches that operate on both sides of that. That's video or that's not, when, how difficult was the, some of those early times of multisite where people are saying, no, you can't do this. No, you can't do this. video screens bad, but there are solutions. It just takes time to work through it. Like what was that tension back then of you cannot do multisite because we can't be across because there's ego because ekklesia isn't defined by one area. Like you overcame that. You were part of that.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 12:27 Well I don't think anybody was saying you can't do it, they're just saying it's not the church. It's not the church. It's not developing leaders. It's not a developing teachers and preachers. How can a person on the screen preach to people and be, you know, really be a shepherd or pastor to them? Those are the kinds of questions they were, they were being raised. And those, those are there. They're legitimate questions. Innovators, shared hearts stopped by criticisms. They want to, you know, they just keep, keep working at it. You know, a new idea is like a virus to a body, to the body, and the first response to a virus is to resist it. And the outcome of that virus will, it'll either be eliminated or it will overcome the, or integrate with the body and then change the DNA. And that's what's happened with the multisite movement.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 13:10 And really the multisite movement began not with video in the 90s. It really started the beginning of the multisite movement. My opinion was back in the bathroom mid seventies when we had this radical idea of going from one to two services the in church. Until about 1975, American went to church at Sunday school at 9:30 and worship at 11. And that was pretty much the model, but some churches were outgrowing their 500 seat auditoriums at all and some progressive, heroic pastor said, yo, our worship center sitting empty at 9:30, or all in Sunday school. What if we opened up a second earlier service and have two services. That way we could accommodate more people, wouldn't cost us any more money. There was probably more pushback on that because that was what I started kinda my, as a pastor about that.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 13:59 Then the whole multi-site concept, you know, we don't have enough volunteers for that now. For one service. I went to do two and all that kind of stuff for the children. Anyway, so it happened and then it went to three services on Sunday morning and then, some crazy pastors around there turn of the nineties so what about a Saturday night service? Well, that's not even biblical. It's Saturday night. And then as the technology started evolve, we had these overflow rooms, you know, a fellowship hall or a student room or whatever. Right? And we have, well, Hey, let's open that up and put a closer look at TV in there, which is really a bad experience for people. Sure. But, I know in my church in Colorado, that's how we started. We had a basement. We did it just in a big screen, 30 inch screens was that was just beginning to come on this on the scene, right?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 14:48 You got a couple little TVs in this big room. It was an awful experience, but it worked, you know, it solved a problem for a season and then so you have multiple services on multiple days, Saturday, Sunday and now you have in multiple rooms. And then as the technology got better, it got a better experience in those rooms. It was an inevitable step to go to multiple locations. It was a natural step. And so that's been a journey, of an idea created out of, you know, solving your problem, that the, the solution becomes not just a fixing a problem, it becomes maybe a new tool in the toolbox for church. And that's what's happening here. That's what I see happening with the online campus. As a matter of fact, the online campus, to me is an extension of the multisite, multi-location concept that, it's again, an inevitable next step coming out of this because the online digital space or the digital space, the cloud, as another neighborhood.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 15:47 Absolutely. That's another neighborhood. And as, how do we, my company name Multisite Solutions, the tagline was taking church to the people. Well, where are people, they're in the cloud and they're online and they're, and so how do we get, bring the church there?
  
    
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  New Speaker: 16:04 The great irony is, you told me, or what you just said was that a lot of churches saw some of these things as a lead for leadership development and everything else. And yet what we're seeing and maybe elaborate on this is how multi-site and even now church online has allowed us to develop more leaders than ever before, in my opinion. Well, it's a leadership intensive, strategy because, you opened up new locations, you need more people. But the, the challenge of growing big in one location, the big mega church, right? is that you back in stack up.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 16:33 A lot of people who have high capacity want to play in the game, but there's not, it's higher up the pyramid. You go in terms of leadership and responsibility, there's, there's fewer seats there, but when you start opening up more services or more campuses, you open up more opportunities for people. Yeah. We always, I like to say to my clients when we're, when they're thinking about multi-site, you know that going multisite will increase. The good news is you'll have more volunteers. So the hard news is you need more volunteers. Right. But you know what, it's amazing how people step up when you give them an opportunity. It's kind of like being on a winning football team, you know, there's a quarterback and there's, and then there's usually a couple of really good quarterback sitting on the bench that never get to play.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 17:19 Yup. And eventually what they either gonna quit or go somewhere else where they can play. Right. And that's what often happens in one church, big church in one location. Not a lot of opportunities for everybody to play. But, so what we see is clearly a, you're, you're developing multiplying volunteers and more importantly leaders because you're giving more people the opportunity to develop and play. It's also, in my mind, it allows us to function more biblically where teachers teach, leaders lead, pastors pastor, shepherds shepherd, administrators administrate, instead of one person trying to do all those things. We all have two or three strong gifts maybe, right? Spiritual gifts. But, this allows us to really play to the gifts and the strengths that each individuals have.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:08 Within that elaborate kind of what you see across the landscape moving forward. Cause I know you talked earlier about a teaching team that's still a relatively new concept and obviously thanks to a lot of your leadership here. We've adopted that at Christ Fellowship or where I'm at. But, and that's been helpful because it says more about the church as opposed to just on the personality, but kind of lay that out in terms of how that's changing, what we're seeing moving forward now, not just with the multisite, church online, everything, the whole shebang.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 18:36 Right. I would say is the teaching team is not a new idea. It's as old as Acts 13, where you see five teaching leaders. One translation describes him that way. Leading the church at Antioch. The church at Antioch, at the, in the first century was the healthiest church in the new Testament. It was the, the five teaching leaders was the apostle Paul. I read Jewish rabbi. It was Barnabas, a Jewish businessmen who was Greek, you know, in his orientation. Rufus, which was a Roman, there was Niger, which was a North African person. And then there was a member Aristotle. This was a member of Herod's household, the first multi ethnic church. Multiethnic, right. Diverse. it was a sending church and and the healthiest church in the new Testament. And it was were that was a team, teaching leaders see what we're seeing today and what I think it's so healthy to have a teaching team where there's are different voices that our church is hearing, but it's a united voice and yes, we're doing that here at Christ Fellowship and we're really, those who teach are those who have that, that gift of teaching, and communicating. And then those others of us who may be, have other guests who are freed up to now if I'm a pastor, if I, I was a pastor for many years as senior pastor, but my leadership gift was more energizing to me than preaching. And so I love leading, leading more than I do preaching. So, those who, who are campus pastors and who love that, who are thrilled to not have the burden of preaching. If an a video teaching model, that's fantastic. They have 10 to 20 hours more a week to do the all the other aspects of leading and shepherding the congregation. But, so I just think it's a healthy model, whether you're multisite or not to have a teaching team because it, it, gives some, allow some margin in, in the teachers. It also gives them more balanced, I think to a congregation of spiritual teaching and food.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:36 You know, it's, it's, there's a lot of difficulty in launching a multisite, especially if a church isn't familiar with that. I've got a client right now that we're, we're launching a multisite out in Miami and the church hasn't really had a lot of history of launching setup and tear down. And it's been a while since they've launched one staff that cycled through. I remember I was at a meeting and they were like maybe six or seven of the ministry leads in there. And just even working through how to do setup and tear down church, the leadership that was there, they just, they couldn't get past some of the concepts that they're used to being in a, you know, fully functioning, larger building. And I'll never forget this, the phrase, was set in context of the multisite. It was, well that's, you gotta realize if you're at a set up and tear down there is there's limitations on the model of church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:23 Like there are things that as a set up and tear down, you're not going to be able to do that you could do in a, in a big building. Right. you know, maybe it's in the, honestly, in the context of this, it was like you're staging your staging is gonna look completely different out a setup and tear down then then at the amount of physical building. And that's, that's not a reason to stop the conversation. You don't walk away from the school as a multisite because of the limitations of the model. You can figure out how to work through.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 21:51 Yes. I remember having a conversation with my senior pastor at the time, Bill Hybels, when we were at three locations and they were working well, but the, the home campus was struggling on getting the mindset of multi-site. And, and so I remember going to Bill and saying, Bill, you know, I can you just make everybody, start thinking and operate. I mean, you know, make them multi-site, the priority for them so they can start thinking of it as our future, not just a, you know, side of thing going on at the church. And his response was classic. It was like, Jim, just become a force that can't be denied. Just keep starting them.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:28 Wow. That's a great quote.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 22:31 Eight campuses later we became a force, that is, has turned the big ship. Just one other thought about the multisite as we dive into the online campus concept, because I see the similar pathway for online campus at the multisite movement with travel down is that launching campuses was the easier part. Even though there's a lot of hard work and challenges, that was the easier part of multi-site, more difficult part is managing the intercampus relationships and the restructuring of the organization to support that. That's where most churches, multisite churches get bogged down. Getting one or two locations up and running doesn't really require it forced you to change your structure because basically everybody just does a little more work in most churches that do this have high capacity staff and prayers and they can kind of juggle two or three locations wearing multiple hats. But that's, that's as far as most can do. Right. And that's the big turning point is when you launch that fourth campus or you're trying to, you realize, you know what, we're going to have to change our structure and how we do church if we're going to do church and this way.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:35 And that's, it's an interesting parallel where, you know, I've looked at the church online realm and a lot of people will say, Oh, there's limitations on that model where, you know, the perception is church online is, is we can in an area. And, and honestly I think a lot of it's strong. Like, well, look at it like from a multisite perspective, a multisite, Oh, there's, people aren't going to watch a video screen. Thousands of people do on a regular basis. Honestly, using your words, you don't, not everybody has to like it, but enough have to like it and it's, and it's paid off. Similarly, you know, leadership, multisite campuses, Oh, if it's going to be a video screen, you're not going to be developing leaders. That's, that's a fallacy as well. Many multisite churches have this awesome leadership pipeline to grow and develop volunteers to be fully engaged in the gospel, to preach, to teach, to administer, to do all the different gifts that are available. So there's, there's opportunities to look beyond this weakness, a limitation of, of the model and say, okay, for a multisite perspective, the limitation of the model, a lot of the perceived weaknesses actually became strengths. Just organizationally like causes me to look at church online and ask questions like, okay, what are the perceived weaknesses of church online? And then from there, are those weaknesses really are they really weaknesses? Because a lot of times I think what we're guilty of, which church online is guilty of. I really don't think so.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 25:02 I've always been a big advocate as you know, Jeff about the, about the online campus. I remember at Willow Creek in the Oh, early two thousands, 2003 or so, I was advocating too, I was on the senior leadership team. I was leading the multisite model and I was on the teaching pastor team, but I was, advocating that we put our services, our sermons live, at the time and the whole Leadership team pushed back initially saying, and these are the reasons that we still here today. Well, if we do that, will it hurt our church attendance? That's interesting.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 25:35 No.There, there was a concern that if we did that, then why would people come to church? And I said, you know, our church tends to do that and we hear, you hear that criticism. And somebody even said, you know, once we went online and we started seeing our tenants go down initially, I've heard, I've heard some people say that and I said, no, our attendance won't go down. It'll go up. because we will expose ourselves to more people. You know, through the internet who, who come there first and so, and it will accommodate those who are, who are missing church, who are part of our church family. Absolutely. And so after a while, after I'm really arguing for this, the decision was made, okay, let's do this. Let's make our services available online, but make it password protected to our members only. So we did that for a few months ago. It is not working. And then, so then we decided, all right, let's, let's do, let's do a test case.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 26:34 Let's do our next series and make it fully live and and see what happens. Correct. It was, I forget the number, it was an astronomical numbers over like, like a million people wow. Worldwide. Yeah. Wow. Well, logging in and watching it, and they realize, wow, what were we thinking. You know, this is a huge opportunity. Yeah. Right. And, and also, but I think churches go through that as you know, today, because because of other things going on in our culture, the decline in church attendance that's happening, that that culture is no longer supporting, we, we've lost that or losing that cultural value that, that valued church attendance for 300 years in our country that was always a value. And it didn't mean everybody went to church, but there was a value that said, good people go to church.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 27:24 You should go to church. And the culture pretty much believed that and affirmed that. That's why they thought it was a good to have churches in communities. We, you know, give them taxed at three but status. So cause I local churches is an asset to a community. That value is fading in our culture. We're overwhelmingly unchurched in America today. And so the culture is no longer going to artificially support churches. And so that is going on. And then because there's so, with even within those who are committed church goers, Sundays are no longer sacred, right? It can be, you know, there's a lot of sports activities as recreation there. The stores are all open, except Chick-Fil-A, because of the technology where now I don't have to wait to Thursday night to watch my favorite TV show. I can watch it anytime, any place from anywhere.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 28:12 And people now want that same and need that same access to their church. Right? So if you don't have an online campus, now you, there would be this decline in church attendance back in the nineties, last century when I was leading churches. if you are a church committed church goer, you are in church three out of four Sundays of the month. Yeah. And nobody, we didn't have to tell people about it. They just did it. You know, it just, it was just kind of the internal expectation. Today we know 1.7 people are in church 1.7 times in a month, so less than two times a month. And it's not that many of them don't want to be, it's just they have a lot of other, they working, they're traveling, they're sick. That's always been, you know, always something. But, and there's other, there's other competition for the time, but if they want to stay committed, they want to stay in touch.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 28:59 And the online campus allows us to, allows them to stay engaged. And that's the new measurement. It's not just not just attendance to a physical campus, but engagement. And so that's how the conversation has happened in my church leaders today is how do we keep people engaged? Hey, the church, if anybody, I realize church people who know their Bible know that church is more than a building. Right? And so a matter of fact, we know that churches, for the first 300 years of the Christian faith never owned or built a building cause it was illegal to meet, you know, now there's always a place where people be, but it's never been about a building. But we've made sure search in Western Christianity all about a building, the goal of it in the past, the goal of a new church start was to get into a building and we made the building an end game.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 29:43 And the bigger the building, the bigger the success in our minds. What I love about the multisite movement as well as now the online campus movement is that, buildings are just a means to the end. Technology is just a means to the end. And so it's all about, you know, bringing the good news of the gospel to people and then about bringing people together in community. And we know that community can happen for online. Some people say, how can community happen online? You know, so well for some people who are not wired that way, it would happen for them. But there are other people who that's a safer place for many people as you know, initially to have community.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:19 Well, and that gets back to your line earlier of everyone doesn't have to buy into it, but enough have to to make it worthwhile. And while a lot of the church today is going to define itself more comfortably in that building, there's by far enough people outside of it that are going to benefit from an online experience of a church service, with that content and online small group community relationship. That to make it worthwhile. It's incredibly ironic. Like I, we were just, before we started doing this podcast, I just wrapped up an online Bible study this morning with some online pastors and we were reading through the book of Acts and we hit Acts 6, which is the Steven's martyer killed whatever the correct term there is sacrificed, and the heart, martyred, that's the right word. Stephen's martyred. And, and the whole crux of it is centered around the destruction of the temple, the destruction of the building. Cause he said that Jesus, what Jesus said was going to destroy the temple and blah, blah, blah, whatever. But at the end of this, like Stephen's martyrdom was centered around the, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin, loyalty, sacred. You have what a, the temple was, and this is even 2000 years ago, they were still stuck in this building and didn't see the potential of what could be done, what the Holy spirit could do outside of that.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 31:35 So yeah, that's funny. When, when there was the Mount of transfiguration, when, when Peter, yes. And, and James and John were with Jesus on the mountain Mount there. And when they had that experience, you know, their first reaction was Peter was, let's build something here. Let's build to mark this place. Yeah, because it such a sacred place. Jesus was talking about the temple is, is used, is human beings with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God living in them, is the new temple. But anyway.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 32:04 They did and it's, you know, the great irony, cause I mean as you talked about earlier, how an idea starts off as innovative and then it becomes cool. Where are we at right now in the online church deal, is it still innovative? Is it cool?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 32:18 I think, cause you, I know I listened to your interview with some of the early pioneers of the online campus your last week and they were talking about 10 years ago when they were, I've been doing this for 10 years now. I think 10 years ago it was innovative. I think we're moving now or radical. It was radical. I think we're moving now into the cool stage. You know, as I mentioned, we just had the survey of multisite churches, the latest one that I've been involved with about five of those over the last 20 years with Leadership Network. In 2014, five years ago we asked multisite churches, how many of you are doing an online campus? it was, 28% indicated they were doing an online campus right now.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 32:57 Many of them at that point, what they described an online campus was we're putting our sermons online, right? And that's the, that's the beginning. That's how it starts. I like to, to share what I think an online campus is, what it requires to be an online campus. It's more than just having a video, a video online. But that's a good start. Five years ago, 28% of multisite churches had an online campus. This year our, that number has gone from 28% to 47%, almost doubled, almost 50%. Now here's the interesting thing. Five years ago when we asked the question, do you see an online campus in the future? 62% said no five years ago. Okay. But since then about 25% growth, clearly people are changing their minds and seeing, this may be as something that is our future and our future. So I think we're moving into the cool stage now or in the cool stage.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 33:42 You had a question to me earlier. You were asking the question, what will the online campus look like in 2029, 10 years from now? I think it will be, it'll be very much mainstream among healthy growing outreach oriented churches. It will be entered part of their ministry and online campus. To me, what makes an online campus is an online campus pastor. To me that's, there's a lot of other pieces, but when you have that and now you've really committing to making this another expression of your church in another, in a digital neighborhood. Yeah, right. Where you are bringing the full impact of teaching or also you're, in terms of the video, you're having a shepherd, a pastor that's leading people in online are you're offering all kinds of opportunities to grow spiritually and to have spiritual experiences. You're building community.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 34:31 These are all the components I think of what makes an online campus. I think we'll see consolidated messages and worship as a capsule of the full teaching and worship. If they want it, then that'll be, it'll be shorter and it'll be, it'll be prominent. It'll be, and it'll be, I think, what the best, the most effective use of online campuses or that is not just a, we're providing us for our church family or just to get our message out there, although I think those are great benefits, but they'll, it'll become more of a tool that will help, reach people, get people in the community, in small groups locally somewhere that, that will be a strategy for local small groups that become house churches that become eventually a fully locally functioning congregation. And as you know, that's, we're in the embryonic stage of that here at Christ Fellowship. I think we will see a lot of churches doing that and they seen this is not just a getting our content out there, but as an evangelistic tool that will eventually, you know, start more congregations, whether it's through church planting or multi siding and, and continue to be a viable congregation, in the cloud for people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:42 For churches to get to that point though, where we start to utilize online groups to grow house churches, which goes to church planting like that, that pathway you just paved out. did I miss anything? Do you see why I think that is, there's a conversation, some of the conversations honestly, that I'm having right now, or what would a digital only expression of church look like? In other words, what would a church look like that isn't based off of a brick and mortar building? You know, and I give examples and I've talked about it in the past. There's, you know, Church Home is an example, out in California, we've, we've had them all on the podcast recently where they've created a discipleship strategy that they're, they're moving away from their five campuses, but they're moving away from physical growth, Macklinblug church is another one where they've moving away and they actually have restricted their, their multi-sites to go towards a more digital process.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:36 There is, a very small church up in New England. It's a pastor that I've talked with and he's got, he's got a thousand person venue and he's got maybe a hundred people that attend church there in a given Sunday. And it's in New England where it's a very liberal environment and they're not really excited about Christianity or going to a church as a general rule. And so for him, he has to adjust his method of church away from come to the building, but to do what you're talking about, to start in creating and challenging his attenders to create this house church mentality, selling off his building and instead distributing out content and services and training people on discipleship so that they can be the heroes, the disciplers of the people. and so there's, there's many different different spins on that. So I suggested to a pastor once, Hey pastor, you got to realize that the most effective place that Susie, some made up woman, most effective place that she could be is not sitting on a pew in your church service on Sunday.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:40 It's sitting over here on our couch at home with 15 or 20 of her friends and then her doing church in her neighborhood. That's a far more effective way of evangelism then than her just sitting in the pew and that conversation didn't go well and it just, the pastor couldn't. And for whatever reason, I don't know if it's you know, pride or if it's part of it I think is we're so used to this metric of of measuring butts in seats where the successfulness of our churches is measured on what Sunday morning looks like and how full that venue is. Where for church online to be effective, you really can't measure that butts in seats count because for online to be effective, you're creating those house church environment. You're empowering these people outside of your church to to create their own community. How do you have conversations or what, what advice would you give to a pastor that's maybe feeling that tension of, okay, there is an opportunity for us to expand our horizons, to reach outside, to start new, but to start new, I've got to let go and I've got to change the way that I measure my success today?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 38:51 Well you said one thing just then about this is something outside the church. And I think the mindset that this is the church, that's good. It's, it's an extension of the church. But I, I think that, that's a paradigm shift that has to happen. And, and, and it is happening with a lot of pastors. Certainly the younger pastors that are coming on the board on the most part have less of an issue with this, but a lot of older pastors have clearly make, are making this change as well. But it's that mind shift away that, and this is where, again, with the multisite movement, they started to just shift this thinking.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 39:23 We've made a church, a very building centric model, you know, for the last few hundred years, thousand years maybe. And, we realize, as I mentioned earlier, the buildings are just a means to the end. They're not the end game. And so when we began to move away and back in the seventies and eighties, when the megachurch movement is took off in America, it was, a new phenomenon, you know, and so what do you do when you got to give to teach your preacher that can draw a crowd and then they can also mobilize that crowd and to become a very effective church. So we saw that happening, but what we realized is that there's, but the problem with mega campuses is that they're not sustainable, over the on time. You know, and right now we're approaching the, the retiring age of a lot of those baby boomer, mega church pastors who's led that movement, right?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 40:20 And there's going to be a lot of half empty campuses in the next decade or so because the communities around them have leveled off in their terms of their growth and they, it's going to be hard to fill those puppets with guys who want to come to that to a big ship that's declining. And so the, the multisite movement now is saying, you know, we don't have to have these big buildings and wait to have to have a mega impact. You know, Life.Church, I think of Life.Church has over a hundred thousand people attending on 31 locations across the country now because they're not limited by buildings right. Now we're not limited. We not even have to be limited to a building. Now with online campuses, we can go anywhere and everywhere in the world for a fraction of the cost. I think when people realize what's our goal?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 41:03 We're not, I have to tell pastors all the time, Jeff, we're not in the church building business team pastors. We're in the disciple-making business, you know, and facilities technology. These are just means to the end of making disciples and who make disciples. That's the history of the church. And so, I like to help people, you know, every the apostle Paul in there, in the disciples, the apostles, they all started churches. Guess what a kid, does? Anybody know where those churches buildings are now that they met in? Yeah. They don't exist. Yeah. But the impact of those churches that they started in their day and they met in a place somewhere, we are feeling the benefit of that today. Right? But when you, when you build something really big or small, but you're small, you can, it gets very easy to get consumed with.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 41:53 If we don't have people coming in the door, we're not gonna be able to keep the lights on. Right? The shift gets off of making disciples to, how do I keep all this going? You know, financially. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of church murders going on, which is the other movement that I'm very much involved with. And it's not all bad. A lot of churches do need to die and go out of business, but they can have a resurrection or rebirth by joining with another church that is growing and vibrant and is culturally relevant. And so again, it's every generation has to reinvent itself, the church to accommodate not the message but our methods. And that's always hard in churches, in my church, people to make those changes.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 42:37 That's good. recently, you've mentioned before you're listening to the podcast with, the, the panel was the church it network, redefining the live church online. They did a couple of weeks ago, but it in there, we talked a lot about moving away from just broadcasting the service. Like it wasn't enough just to broadcast that, you know, let's look at a, a fully functioning model of what church is, you know, you mentioned hiring the campus pastor, Rey to, to shepherd, to the, to develop, to him, empower people with the gospel to send out. and that, that's a, that's a huge part of think of, of reshaping what church online is. What, and this is for both of you guys. What are some other things that that church online would need to do to, to reshape, to adjust like, okay, yeah, the perception of church online, people perceive, you know, things that aren't necessarily who we are, but at the same time we need to evolve and change through that. So what are some things that we need to, that church online needs to change in order to be better received or more palatable for, for leadership?
  
    
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  New Speaker: 43:47 Before Rey answers that question. Rey became our Online Campus pastor two years ago. And of all of our campuses, the most growing campus of our church is the online campus. Beyond anything, all the others. And so, and I think a lot of it, Rey is probably, Rey is more than known than probably any other pastor at our church right now cause he's seen by more people. Yeah. And, well and I guess, you know, Pastor Rick and now pastor Omar and Carlos, cause they're a part of the teaching team, they're part of that online campus. Yeah. But I'm on the road a lot traveling on Sunday is, you know, and getting here at, to help lead the church during the week. So Rey is more my pastor online then I feel affinity with him more than probably any other other pastors here. Yeah. Because he's, he's that shepherd to me on the, on the online and I love how he plays that role so well. Setting up the message, talking us through the worship, you know, the little breaks along the way, helping me understand what's going on in the church. you know, I, it's been an incredible experience. And so, I think what Ray is doing, I think Ray is becoming one of the unit, one of the leading examples of models of how to do church online well.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 45:06 Hmm. Thanks Jim. Yeah. And you know, because I had great people empowered me, like both you and Jeff along the way. It's definitely helped, you know, carry a lot of that along. And it's funny because I think I'm more recognized now amongst our people as well. I get stopped a lot more often. And Jeff, you started this, you had it going and now you're consulting, but absolutely. Yeah and just did a phenomenal job. Jeff saw a lot of me early on for a lot of this role too, which was awesome. The big thing that I see that's happening is even I've had to lift my lid in terms of what community could look like online. I've had to expand my thought process in terms of how online community could take place and we see a lot of different churches experimenting with that.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 45:46 We see we have a lot of group leaders experimenting with online community in terms of starting small groups within WhatsApp chats, starting small groups within YouVersion Bible plans and leveraging that as a way of discipling people, praying for them, keeping up with them in the word, encouraging them on a daily basis, doing things that what we would even consider beyond small group community. Imagine if you could have small group on a daily basis and that's what's happening for some of these folks. They are staying in the word together daily. They are praying for each other daily. They are carrying out a lot of what we saw next to that we couldn't do just in a building. We couldn't do Justin Sunday school. I grew up in that Sunday school model. I remember that. And you know there was Sunday morning contact and then there was very little contact throughout the week.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 46:27 If you had to really engage with teacher, you know as a kid they might call your parents or they might just keep up with you, you know, wish you happy birthday when that came around once a year. Now thanks to online community, we see daily engagement, we see continual engagement along the way and as a result you get stronger Christians. You get people who are finding that in their faith is applicable in a real world. Situations where whether they're at work amongst their employees, where if it seems like a very, very tenuous atmosphere, Oh man, how am I going to get the gospel out here? Well, you've got people encouraging you on a regular basis and they're staying connected with you through your devices. And so you've got that constant encouragement happening around that clock. You've got that constant community happening where growth continues to happen and then the church becomes more than just about the brand of Christ Fellowship.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 47:15 Now it's, Oh, I can be part of your community first, where they're even inviting people into those online digital platforms first. And then they're willing to come into a physical space and experienced church life because now they've got community to go with them. The whole concept I've got somebody to sit with now that's expanding even further. And so for curriculum church online in 2029 I just see continual expansion in thought process and lifting our lids on community in terms of what that could look like, what that could be. And I just does, nothing just excites me know, I think it's gonna be awesome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 47:48 Very cool. What else does church online look like? You mentioned before, what defines a church online and some things maybe to look at. So like just in your, in your mind, I'm just curious what is, what is church online look like?
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 48:01 As I mentioned before, I think church online, first of all obviously is a delivery, digital media of a message of worship. it has into, it has a campus pastor that's dedicated to shepherding that flock online. It's offering all the components of a church you inviting people to, you can give online. You can, ask for prayer online. You can respond to an invitation online to follow Christ you and you can even lead people to communion online. You can even lead people to baptism online. You know, we've seen all those, all that can happen and we know that community happens online of course as well. And you can start small groups and you can start that could become house churches that could become campuses or church plants, all that, all that saw possible through this medium. We're going to see more and more of that. Absolutely. In churches that are doing that. One of the big questions, are online also can help start global churches, campuses, or churches by people who are watching you around the world from around the world. What's our Global draw, that'd be a question I like to ask you, Rey. What are the majority of people who go online how far out are they?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 49:20 Our strongest draw right now currently is within the United States but what we are seeing as people shift around and move is we're seeing more and more countries pop up in terms of where their IPs are popping up from. You know, we're in Miami and so as a result, we're a very transient city, but we've got a lot of people that are globally connected, which means that they are sharing the the messages through digital mediums. And even the language factor isn't as much of a barrier anymore because younger generations in different countries are coming up in English, are watching some of our sitcoms and some different things in English. And so they're very much wanting to adapt to American culture and even absorb a lot of our content. And so internationally even we're seeing a lot of people pop up and watching us from our church context, we're seeing folks in central America, we're seeing people in Brazil and South America. And then of course we have a lot of businessmen and international folks who are traveling. And so we're seeing things pop up in Asia. We're seeing stuff pop up in Europe and even in the middle East. And it's an amazing thing.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 50:21 And because we were in Miami, it seems like everyone in Miami is either one or two generations away from South America. And there's a strong family and relational connection that continues on. And so it's had been a natural feeder, out of Miami to the South Caribbean and South American. Let me ask you this though. You said most of it comes from the U S are our followers or half the people are logging in with us. Where does the majority of that in the past, it was my observation that for most online campuses the biggest draw was about an hour. Sure. Is it an hour, one to three hours from, from the.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 50:59 The largest circle comes from within an hour away. But what we see is a growing circle, even two to three, four hours North. So Miami's going through a cultural shift right now. And Jeff, you can kind of attest to this in which housing prices and everything are causing everything to rise and young families are having a harder time to start down here. And so a lot of them are navigating to central Florida and so we see a large population popping up in central Florida that are tuning back in online. They've not been able to find a church to connect to there because of their job. Their job is weekend based and when they don't know what to do, they do what they know. And so they're navigating over to cfmiami.org and they're logging into the service or they're just popping up in the church app or it just creates more content for them to navigate with their family. That's still back here. And so there is a growing population in central Florida and Orlando and Tampa have people who are becoming part of CF online. And then in the Carolinas where I'm our former lead pastor was from, a lot of folks wanted to watch him teach and they wanted to stay engaged with that. And so we saw a lot of people in the Carolinas checking in on a regular basis and absorbing Rick's messages and tuning into the content. And so it's funny how pockets just kind of pick up and they take off.
  
    
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  Jim Tomberlin: 52:08 See, I can see where we still have some communities in Miami that we could have physical campuses and that's on our strategy. But I could see the next round is where is a large pocket of people watching us from outside of an hour from the home campus here could start eventually a campus one day starting with small groups online, small groups that meet in a house watching us online together.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 52:34 Yeah. We've actually got a group of folks in house in Orlando. Jeff, do you remember you helped Albert get stuff started there and some of the keys as well. Exactly. And so that's, that's some of the, the folks that have started and they've kind of just been taking the content and building community around it. And it's a beautiful thing that we see happening in terms of the potential for movement. We've got another house church getting ready to start up in Orlando that wants to take the content and they want to do it where they're at. And so that's amazing and it's awesome just to see how God could use that. And you know, we've talked to Danny Hicks from elevation on the podcast. Jeff, we've seen how different churches are finding different ways to move this expression and to leverage it. Maybe even not for the launch of a campus, even though in some cases like that happened with elevation, they launched a Melbourne campus out of one of those. But over the long haul it becomes a great opportunity for just great community and growth to be built. Costs are low because it's all volunteer driven. But discipleship is high because it's all volunteer driven.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 53:29 Yeah. And as long as that discipleship level is high, I mean I'm okay with it. You got the story of a, like I'm a young adult, a family in Orlando, you know, just hypothetical. Somebody moves two hours up and they're still engaged with the Christ fellowship, Miami's feed that great as long as we're giving them more than just the one hour on Sunday. As long as you're, you know, you're shepherding your them, they're being discipled in a, in a group. They're, we're not, we're not taking them away from a community up in Orlando. We're empowering them to create a community where they are in, in Orlando. Like to me that's, that's the win if not and just even to call church online out here is if they never engage in some sort of a disciple making community where all they are is just consuming a video broadcast.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 54:24 I mean I give, I give pause to that. Right. Cause the, the standard isn't, watch a service. It's standard isn't go to a building even it's, it's created that disciple.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 54:34 Yeah. Contact needs to drive towards community. We've talked about the whole online, offline relationship, you know, first option and a lot of cases out of town. Or for those of you who are thinking, Oh well they're just trying to keep people in line. First option is we try to get them connected to a local community, but if they're incapable of doing so because of time or work or anything else, the next best step is we connect them to online community. Yeah. So that they can be discipled so that they can grow in their faith. We don't want just a connection card that says, Hey, I've received Christ. We want to take them to those next steps, which is very much what we've been about at Christ fellowship and we continue to be about as we move forward with church online.
  
    
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    I (Jeff) believe this to be true: In the future, bigger churches will continue to get bigger; but smaller churches will continue to get smaller. And that may not be a bad thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:00 Well, I'll tell you what, hey, we're on Episode 33 of The Church Digital and we've got a special treat for you and I've not even said this publicly, I've never told this story before publicly. So listening audience, you are the first one to hear this. So I was at the Church IT Network conference a couple of weeks ago. I spoke at and helped them coordinate a lot of the breakout sessions and it was a lot of fun and really got to just love on and encourage a lot of the online ministers and online pastors that are out there at the churches doing things week in and week out. One of the sessions that I had, you know, scheduled myself to teach was this idea of merging church online and and micro locations. And if you listen to my podcast, you know that we talk about micro locations all the time, so have a talk, I've written blogs about it, I've written eBooks on it, like that's just, one of my sweet spots.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:46 Then I find out they were very excited to tell me that Rob Wagner was going to be one of the keynote speakers for the conference. Now if you don't know Rob, Rob is part of this underground movement of churches. There is KC Underground, which Rob has been very passionate about working with and helping this, not a service oriented but a discipleship oriented movement of church happening in the Kansas city area, which is actually spawn off other locations. I know Tampa underground is existing and is going very strong and there's even talks of starting to do something here in the Miami area. Oops, maybe I shouldn't have said that. But it's been really fun to see this idea of underground church, of a house church, of a micro location, of a family, getting passionate about reaching into their community on their own and empowering these people to do this, to do this level of discipleship.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:01:38 And so I was scheduled to talk about house church and micro location, but instead I'm like, I would rather listen to this guy Rob Wagner over here, talk about it. So I'm not going to do my talk because I just want to listen to him. The expert, the guy who's really doing this go into detail. And so it was a phenomenal panel. We had some others on there. Rob was very humble to jump in here and the others as well. But we painted a picture of what it means to move away from a service oriented discipleship structure and instead move towards a discipleship structure where we empower people, where we make disciples, where we empower others in, in sharing their faith and discipling them to a greater understanding of who God is and what God has for them. And I'll tell you at the end, I think the audience had a far greater understanding of how the micro locations worked and how just maybe just possibly the church of today can exist and help build these micro locations around through church online.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:06:03 For us, when we talked about a micro church, our one sentence definition is it's a extended spiritual family. That's led by ordinary people. The goal is to live in everyday gospel community and they own the mission of Jesus in a particular network or neighborhood. So to break down a little bit for us, a micro church is a missionary endeavor. So we're not like organizing people that already go to churches into groups as like an assimilation stare at a G. usually it's a couple or people partnering as what we call missional team that feel called to a certain context. So sometimes it's a neighborhood, sometimes it might be a people group, like, there's Algerian refugees that are in Olathe, which is about 25 minutes from here.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:06:46 Like one of our micro churches is among Algerian refugees. We have others that are embedded into the youth rodeo circuit of Kansas, for example, or a travel baseball league. One of them is even become a for profit business. And, so there's different contexts, but you've got, people making new disciples and as you multiply disciples, we believe that's when you have the church and the church at its most fundamental level is extended spiritual family and then the goal is not a meeting. So a lot of times house churches for example, it's people trying to take what is typically done in a weekend service inside of a big box somewhere and they just do it in somebody's living room. Now I'm all for that. But the goal for us is actually a community on mission, living into the Gospel as a community, not meeting weekly.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:07:37 Are there weekly meetings? Absolutely, but there's so many different touches between the meetings and then they're owning the mission of Jesus in a particular neighborhood or network. So there's a very like fiercely local focus on owning the mission of Jesus. We're in a subdivision called City View Farms. And so our micro church is owning the mission of Jesus in about a two to three block radius of that neighborhood. And our micro churches have that kind of mission specificity because if you're going to actually live like a great missionary, you can't do that very well in multiple contexts. Like you have to kind of pick a primary where you dropped down deep and really live up to missionary rhythms. So that's what our micro churches for us and then we have different rhythms. We have what we call, 2 Out 2 Up 2 In. So 2 Out is about once a month you're getting, one of your outs is going to be some kind of socially inclusive party.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:08:27 Another one's going to be service oriented. The two up is within your extended spiritual family. You have like an immediate spiritual family that's your missional team that's owning the mission with you. You want to be meeting with them at least twice a month and that's orbiting around a meal, a discovery, Bible study, prayer planning permission. And then two in. And the two in is underneath all these micro churches. We have what we call a hub and the hub is the mission agency that trains the missionaries and the micro churches. So we have seven equipping teams in a hub and those provide all the services needed to launch and sustain and coach and multiply micro churches. So we're saying at least twice a month you want to be connecting with your hub so you're not sort of disconnected sort of cancer cell that's reproducing out there that you're under governance and you're being coached and supported.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:09:14 Oh yeah. I mean that was pretty rich. Right? That's everybody taking notes on that. But what's interesting, I don't want to like go down this rabbit trail but like there was a really thick strategy there in context of what perception on the outside might actually be. It's very organic. and so it's a really interesting tension of where you've got that hub, you've got, you know, all these infrastructures in this plan in place. There's the six, the ins and the outs and I'll have, I'm glad I got that recorded cause I didn't write into that down. But there is, there is intentionality behind a lot of that, which I would just from the outside man, I really appreciate that.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:09:50 We were radically committed to like grassroots and kind of organic growth. But like they, you have a garden and you have a tomato plant that's growing and you don't have some kind of structure to hold it up. It'll lay down on the ground and rot out and die. And that's what happens with a lot of organic church stuff. It's like first-generation and then it tends to rot. So we're trying to create a structure to support that organic growth, without controlling it or micromanaging it.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:10:15 Awesome. So Church Anywhere is an initiative based, micro-sites strategy that we have in our discipleship pathway. so when I say initiative based, we, our goal would be to take someone from an unbeliever all the way to conversion and then from conversion, help them find their purpose that will eventually help people find and follow Jesus. So their purpose could be for, I'll give you a real life example of purpose. One of our extra church anywhere leaders was, she was exposed to some orphans in our area and, fell in love with these orphans. So she felt like her purpose and passion was to go and help these orphans find and follow Jesus, so she has, created a church anywhere location at a local orphanage that has resulted this year in three of those kids finding homes. So they do, like a church service issues with them.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:11:11 That's the technology piece of it, but we always train our leaders to say that relationships, Trump technology every single time. The main goal is to go out and build relationships. And, at Spire conference, we, one of the keynote speakers mentioned us and we had never thought of us in this context but it makes total sense, he said we were like the dollar general in the churches because we're rural, we like, our main mission is to have people find their purpose and go out and serve underserved people. And so dollar general thrives and most people like Walmart and target because they're serving the underserved and so that's, that's kind of who we are. We want to empower our people to go out and be pastors to the underserved by utilizing technology as the tool to get in that door.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:11:57 That's awesome. The dollar general right. Jason, how does Westside treat micro?
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:12:13 We have two flavors of small, one is our church planting movement that we have internationally and those average 42, so that's relatively small, but we keep it small and reproducing on purpose and that's just full blown church planting movement that gets empowered through a lot of tools technologically that helped them get the job done. One of the coolest things, just so that, you know, just got back from India last week and was at the graduation at the Naglanda group that KC Underground supported in 18 months. Now we have 80 new churches. Wow. And go God. So anyway, it's just that a lot of what we do is partner with other churches too, to create those linkages to people on the ground that are actually getting the work done and to help them to just multiply Jesus everywhere.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:13:17 That's one flavor of micro-site. Another flavor that's really probably more church planting and a house church scenario, but we do a lot of online tools to empower that. And that's primarily global, right? Yes, yes. Globally. One of the neat things is that some of our global partners are now using the same modeling tools that I've used with them to further their efforts. Like F for example, cause you guys know who he is yet was on a motorbike, going into three different countries all the time, rarely ever home. Today I've got video of, it's really cool. He's doing online church planting training with a Facebook group in his language in Thai, you know with the church planners that are in Laos, Myanmar all that kind of stuff. So that kind of stuff, killer, love that guy. So that's the flavor of micro-siting as a church plant movement.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:14:09 The other flavor, which is a little bit in contrast to what you mentioned was taking the, what we do online and giving it freely available to anyone who wanted to use it as a watch party for either online or on site in their neighborhood, wherever they happen to be. We have a microsite in France, we've got one in San Antonio, we've got one in Mexico now. There's a lot of different places that they somehow are connected or associated with Westside that love it so much that they don't have something like that where they ended up moving to or something like that. And so we just tell them, well Hey, we can help you be Westside wherever you are. We call that Westside Anywhere. So we've even, you know, messed around with the idea of instead of calling it my site online, cause online really doesn't mean anything anymore because everybody's online. It meant something a year ago, 10 years ago when that was the differentiating factor. But today online, it doesn't really say much, but if you say Westside Anywhere, then that sparks a little bit of creativity in people to think, Oh, I could have West side in my home or my neighborhood, or what if I'm on the East side? You're always on the Westside of something. So anyway, those are the two flavors of micro-siting that we do.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:15:29 Awesome. Yeah, so let's hone in a little bit on this idea of, in the global, the micro, the church planning like that. That's awesome. But let's try to keep it in context domestic that may trickle over into international for this. So let's get practical gear, whether online or physical, like let's define what a micro location a microsite is. Who are they? What are they doing? Where are they gonna be? Where, what are some examples of micro locations that are around?
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:15:57 Ours are because it's passion based because it's a, this initiative based, they're all over the spectrum with the possibilities of what it can be. So, for example, there's, there's a lady and her husband who are very, passionate about special needs adults. They realize that the people that are not getting the attention or the workers, so the people that are, are driving these special needs adults around, they're caring for them. And so, while the, especially the adults hang out in one room at their house on Sunday nights, they do church together in the living room with the workers. so that, that's like one example of that a micro location is. So that's empowering to people from our church that that said, our passion is this to become the pastors of house church. Another example of that though is I shared this yesterday with the coolest story ever.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:16:42 An inmate at one of our locations decided that, after he found Christ, his passion is now to, to reach out to other people that were in his similar situations. So not necessarily just an inmate, but he's a convicted murderer. So they serving 65 years and he's like, guys, I love what you're doing, but, you will never reach the hardcore people in this jail with like praise and worship music in a sermon. And so what he's decided to do with something that he's calling hardcore church and so we helped him learn how to edit videos. So he's creating his own videos. He's using former gang members, testimonies, that kind of thing. and he's recruited like cell leaders. So he's got his own team, working with the Chaplet of the jail and I went on Sunday to be there for him for that service on my way here. And they had like 307 inmates that were not the normal people we minister to in that jail and can't stress that enough. Like that's not not double dipping. There is 300 completely separate inmates. So for us, a micro allegation is empowering a normal person to lead a church. That could be 15 people, it could be 300 people.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:17:55 I would basically echo your answer for us, a micro church is again, it's a spiritual extended family. It's led by ordinary people. And we wouldn't call it like a microsite per se because again, we see a more as an extended spiritual family, but they would have locations that they're called to. Some examples that I've just mentioned a few minutes ago, one of them, Chad and Elsa Chambers they've embedded into the youth rodeo circuit. These are kids that are, you know, middle school, high school age and every weekend there's a different rodeo and there is about, you know, a couple hundred families that are making this circuit. So they started making disciples in that kind of traveling band of gypsies that follow the rodeo. And, like three weeks ago that two women get baptized, like they're leading people to Christ.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:18:43 Yeah, it is. It's amazing. And what happens is when they're at the rodeo now, they've had so many people come to faith and they actually have a public service and they'll have, more than a hundred people who show up for that gathered service. But then outside of the rodeo, we also do, we call it discovery Bible studies. So these are, it's a very simple discovery based of way of engaging the Bible. So they'll spin out discovery Bible studies in the hometowns of the people that are a part of this larger micro church as a way to multiply potential new micro churches and other family, the Barns. Their kids are in a travel baseball league and, and then their daughter is in a travel volleyball league that's become kind of the feeder system for their micro church, which is located in Piper, which is a rural community.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:19:32 And they've grown to where if they throw a party, they'll have a hundred people show up. But within that there's six or seven families that kind of make up the core of the family. For us, a micro church is gonna have, you're going to have the presence of worship, community and mission and you need to have, that, that balance of all three in our mind for it to actually be a church. Like, a guy who is passionate about the homeless, who's like feeding them. And then reading verses and then kind of goes home. That's fantastic. It's not a church though, right? Right. So when you have a community that's built around the person of Jesus, they're practicing community mission and worship. And for us, they also have to be willing to come under some kind of governance. Like for us, it's pretty simple. Jesus is the head of the church. Amen. But then there's also elders and deacons, you know, so when they're connected to the hub, they're connected to a network of micro churches where there is that kind of governance where they're going to experience the headship of Jesus through eldership and so forth.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:20:41 A lot of what we're talking about that they're very, so positive. You've got six or seven families doing a thing. I'm connected to this sporting. I honestly, I'd never thought of that gathering a hundred people together, but having a core family of six or seven that are controlled have their own, spiritual growth, spiritual development. A lot of times, when talking with, with churches, there is a, there's an underlying negativity, maybe a perception when it comes to a house church, somebody that's kind of controlling their own spirituality or you know, they're so disgruntled with the big C church or a local church expression and you're kind of doing something on their own. What's, what is that tension really like? Like how do you answer some of those concerns or what's your perception of reading of a situation about family who arguably another church would look at it like, well, they're isolating themselves from being part of a larger community instead of doing this together in their own neighborhood.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:21:37 Okay. For us, I think whenever there's any kind of movement, the first part of the movement is always reactionary. So like missional has been a movement in America for what, 15 years? So I do think, early on there were a lot of people that were angry, and not on justifiably, so. There's probably some legitimate reasons for their anger and a lot of like, spiritual abuse and corruption. And we all can name one leader after another who built their brand around their personality and then it collapsed. And a lot of people have been hurt by that and disillusioned by that. But when I see a lot more of happening right now is actually like mature expressions of missional, like what's happening with Church Anywhere, like the folks that are a part of the Kansas City Underground. many of them discovered this passion for mission in the context of the prevailing model.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:22:30 Like West side was a fertile environment where they were learning how to become a disciple maker. They were experiencing missionary formation. They were growing as leaders discovering their calling, leading this thing on mission. So when we launched that of Westside, it was actually a really positive experience in that a bunch of people who had been developed this way. Now we're launching out, a new expression of church that isn't just action against the old. It's more like an extension, that in order for it to reach its full potential and needed to break away from the prevailing model. so we, what we do to keep it being from being reactionary or getting toxic is like we have like an orthodoxy, kind of irreducible minimum that everybody agrees to, which is like the Apostle's creed, those on covenant. And then we have 18 values that are part of what it means to be the underground. The hub also provides like support and coaching and governance. We feel like, and I've been in the prevailing model and very successful churches for 25 years, like I feel like we have better eyes on and we're more informed about what's happening in our micro churches on a daily, weekly basis. Then most churches are about what's going on in their small groups. It's true.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:23:46 And there's a, I can second that too. I'm part of Westside and my wife, she is a part of underground, right? Because we have this Westside is great. I often talk about it as it's a kingdom incubator. You know, it allows for expressions of kingdom work to go beyond the four walls of West, you know, disciples made with you. Great example, Underground is great example. The point I'm trying to make is that my wife has been poured into, she told me this, she's like, I feel like I've been poured into more in the past year or two than I have in my entire life before.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:24:21 That was the last piece I was going to say. He didn't say it this phrase, but what got, what gets elevated to this level and answers your question specifically is the level of soul care they provide to these folks because the folks that step out, if you step out angry, whether you step out angry to plant a church or you step out angry to start a micro church, if you start out angry, you're going to end up shriveled. The antidote to that is meaningful soul care under the governance support of the elders and deacons and you can't, you can't keep going in underground. You'll find your way out.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:24:55 Yeah. Every new micro church leader goes through a really immersive assessment. Yes. Where we're checking into like how are you with your most important relationships, which your spiritual, emotional health, how are you actually doing financially? And then we do a really deep assessment on their calling. Everything from the GPS assessment we developed to any Inneagram and StrengthFinders and DISC. Every single micro church leader gets like a personalized coaching plan. That's like probably a year's worth of spiritual direction and then we're meeting with them to kind of follow through on that. So all of that kind of stuff keeps it healthy, keeps it on mission and not reactive.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:25:33 And then there's, there's, I think if you're hearing a lot of this, it's like, Whoa, that's a lot. And yes, that is true. And I also believe that because of the way that this is being approached, it is getting close to why you can take an ordinary person. Yeah. And release them into ministry is because of this backup stuff that you guys are doing. One of the prevailing statistics that gets talked about a lot is that the best way to get gospel saturation have more people get baptized. More people come to Jesus is to his new church plants. And I think that that's not necessarily causation, but a correlative stat because I personally believe that the reason why people get saved and people get baptized and more people get saved and baptized in a new church plant is because the church planter was the only one that got really discipled. So if we were to really disciple to this level, everybody, what would happen? That would change the statistic.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:26:33 Let me, let me interject one thing. Because we've used this word discipled, I don't know, a dozen times in the past 15 minutes. Disciple means a hundred things to 80 different people. So let's assign, let's actually define right now, discipleship means like our usage of using it. Gentlemen, what is exactly discipleship?
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:26:55 Well, I mean I think one of the biggest issues is that disciple-making you're pointing at it lacks definition and it lacks a definition that includes a motivation for people to want to be a part of it. And I believe that Jesus offers the most extraordinary invitation that's filled with motivation to be a disciple of his. It's in John 10:10. It's like, let's leave the stuff that's broken that the thief killed, steal, killed, and destroyed. And let's walk into a fully alive life. Anybody at fully alive already. Anybody like to have a little bit more of that fully alive tomorrow. Yeah. And everybody in the world are saying the same thing. So if, if Jesus has that kind of invitation to be in his disciple, come live fully alive and leave the brokenness of the thief, then what does that look like? And the Holy spirit, I believe, is the source of transformation in our disciples lives. So we ought to ask the question, how does the spirit then practically change the life of a person into a more fully alive life? And to me, yeah, I'm with you. Totally with you. And so, I mean, you look at the scriptures and everything boils down to these two ideas. One is going to bear spiritual fruit in your life. If you're not more loving, joyful, peaceful, patient kind, you know, self-controlled, faithful, whatever the other one is. If you're not that and you can arse Romans, yes, you've missed the point. And we're not helping people cultivate that fruit. But a definition of a disciple is one who's becoming filled with the spirit, evidence of the spirit. And the other part of the Spirit's influence in our life is what the Bible calls spiritual gifts. You know, a lot of people would try to take disciple-making and boil it down. It's not what you're doing a two year becoming more. It's not just what you becoming, it's what you're doing and it's 100% both of those things. And if we really aim at disciple-making around those two things, we call them character for the spirit and then our personal calling, which is largely informed by the gifts of the spirit, but there's more to a personal calling. Well, we found an artist cycle making efforts is when we cultivated fruit and develop gifts that created an impact in the people and then through the people that made people predisposed to doing the kind of activity that these folks are talking about, it's almost like it created a space for a new creativity and new imagination about how they can be priests in their own pulpit.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:29:26 Whether that serving on the way they have or the Algerian folks or whatever. I mean, the spirit is infinitely creative and how he wants to get people. So definition, character times calling equals impact, motivation. Intrinsically there we were born to people who are in relationship with people. And by the way, we welcome through the spirit. Your relationships get our whole lot better. How many of you would have better relationships with your kids if you were more patient, self-control, kind, gentle about with your spouse. I don't have to go far. Yeah. You want those relationships and Jesus is saying the thief broke them and I've come to fix them. All right? And then he's, everybody's dying for the significance answer in their life. We talk about legacy, we talk about wanting to be, an intimate part of whatever is good in the world. And if you've been given spiritual gifts from having that, the father says, I'll use with my hour to go beyond what you can do on your own to make a difference. Then why not sign up? And by the way, those two deep seated passions of ours to become better people that have a loving relationships and to be people of significance and influence are wired into our it. To see, I tried that over discipleship guy. I tried to go into your world. Stumbled, let me pick myself back up here. Got hard coded into you at your creation. Those two desires. When he said, be fruitful and multiply. What does that take? And I'm gonna see how's it restored through the spirit. And he's also hardwired into the have dominion over my creation. It's right there in the creation mandate. We've fruitful and multiply and have dominion. That's right.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:31:18 So we're going to go ahead and call the ushers forward.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:31:23 Okay. I've been here with, please go back. I'm going to bounce off of what you just said to answer this question. So for, for most of you in this room, you're not in the context of something like the underground. So you have a governing body over top of you. Very similar to my situation. We are a church, not like a movement. And so it's significantly harder to talk to the leadership about the negative impacts of doing something like house church. Because if you say, Hey, let's have our people go be the church outside of the building, naturally the building's a lot more empty. And so, cause the church leadership across the country, it looks at that and says like, are you crazy? Like we're not gonna let people not come to the church. Just hit the tension point, right? You hit the tension point.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:32:00 But here's the shift though. Whenever you empower people to go be like Jesus, that's really attractive. And we've noticed, and it was a shock to us, but like when we got out of the mindset of everything's about us, I have this tattoo, this is not the kingdom of Tyler. It's this constant reminder like, Hey, it's not my kingdom. And so when we got out of the mindset of like, it's all about building this physical building of the people in this church. Our people became so attractive because they're living like Jesus on mission. And on purpose that our physical campus grew as well.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:32:35 So wait a minute, you're saying, I'm saying if people become more like open handed and generous that God will give more.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:32:43 Somebody probably taught that at some point. The byproducts we thought w with the negativity was actually a positive byproduct for us. So not only did these micro sites grow, but then our community of believers that were not in micro sites also began to grow because they see, they saw our church and going into the community, which is part of what we're called to do.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:33:07 Another tension point that's like the numbers on the weekend is awesome. Give to people that are concerned like okay, the giving is going to get just go to the wind. Like our experience in the underground, I have a very, very close friend. He's actually like my spiritual father who planted kind of a traditional model church at the same time as the underground. And if you would compare our giving like our internal giving through the micro churches towards the hub to sustain everything is actually outpacing the giving that's coming in in the weekend services in the traditional model. And he's at the 300 people a weekend. And so that's been an interesting sort of like experiment that we've been sort of running concurrently.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:33:47 The same logic applies whenever you're living on mission and on purpose. You're becoming a better disciple, which will lead to more generosity total. It all comes full circle there. But we've somehow for a long time like kind of just stopped the, the ball rolling and focused on butts in seats. That's true.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:34:05 So what are the tensions? Because we live in a world and I put a slide up, USA churches often driven by large buildings and butts in seats. I didn't know he was going to say that. Is there a place for micro sites? So the goal of the people in here is they are doing the large, we need to go from large to small. What tensions is an organization that's used to large going small, what tensions are they going to feel good?
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:34:42 Yeah. I can tell you about, okay. On a personal level, I can tell you about the tension in our family. You know, cause I'm a pastor of a large prevailing church with a, you know, an online campus of thousands of people. And my wife really felt like helping out the underground. And so there are two different, and don't get me wrong, underground isn't, I think has been launched from West side. We call it divide and partner. So the expression, in order for it to be what it needed to be at some point when the teenager gets old enough, they need to leave the house. Yeah. They're not, it's not best to keep them posted in the basement. You've got to launch out. And so that's what I feel like, you know, simple church and KC and all that stuff. When we even with disciples made at some point you got to launch it for it to be what God wants it to be because it's not our church, it's Jesus' church. So at the end of the day, the way that things happen is so radically different in the KC Underground context and everything that Maria was used to, it was major whiplash because she had to unlearn so many things in order to be able to even know how to function inside this environment that it took a while.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:36:03 She kept thinking that I was the lead pastor. We don't have any pastors like everybody who leads at a megachurch is a pastor, right? But we don't have pastors on staff. Right. But probably the first three or four months I had to correct her that I'm not only pastor.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:36:20 That actually surfaces. One of the tensions is the confusion because we tried to have simple church and Casey on the ground coexist inside the big box environment and what we created with a lot of confusion for people because the discipleship pathways were so radically different from one expression to the other. People were just confused and they didn't know what to do and they would, it was, it wasn't working. It wasn't working well.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:36:49 I can share another tension point as well. When it comes to developing volunteers, you know, everybody has the scramble, even it folks has the scramble to have enough volunteers to carry out the work on a given weekend. Like I was in charge of all the systems for first impressions and small groups and everything else. So we had our own roll call every week and when we started developing our people, we realized that they were, their personal calling actually led them out of our department. You know, and I don't know about what you call it, but that's called customer acquisition. You paid a price to get those people in your department and now you're going to send them off to the worship team or got help with the it team or you know, whatever else.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:37:35 And I can remember that very first time, they don't, my very first group discipling this way where the guy, it was pretty evident, didn't really care as much about leading small groups as he cared about his microsite, which was a investing in folks that were on the autism scale and they help them find employment and to maintain employment and he's changing the industry and that whole thing now. And I remember that tension point of asking will I let them go into their personal calling out of my space, even if that makes me recruit more. And I answered that question quickly because God graciously gave me a conviction that it's about the people and not about me. Like I need that tattoo, but that wasn't the case all the way around. You know, when it came to opportunity for other folks in other departments to decide, will do I let these people go, then you've got that same tension point while I try to hold on to people or while I released them to this and that became attention. Wow.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:38:38 Yeah. The only answer I can give you to this, I don't know what else I can say beyond this, but we have brought more gay people into the kingdom and baptize more people at micro-sites this year than we have on site. So that's in my, in grand scale of things that completely destroys that argument in one of my mind. Yeah.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:39:01 Yeah. I think it's, if your goal is actually gospel saturation, which to me is like every man, woman, boy and girl, being able to see, hear and experience and respond to the gospel. Like the more, what are you calling micro churches or microsites or ministries or whatever ministry is, it's like we're, each time we're increasing the mission mosaic, right? They're like pieces of a mosaic. Yep. And so if we want to actually see the entire Metro Kansas city area, in our case it's like, well we think it's going to take 20,000 micro churches cause that would be about a 100 people for every micro church. And we think a healthy micro church and it's kind of what we call spheres of influence can touch and really be, a gospel presence for about a hundred people. You know what, you can't do that from one location, even if it's core, which is amazing and there's 19,000 people here, but it's still a drop in the bucket.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:39:58 Right? And if we keep doing and trying to scale out this very expensive model and we're requires buildings and lots of professional staff, it's like we're never going to scale out the gospel saturation. It's too expensive. There aren't enough high level leaders. You can manage the complexities of this thing. But when church is like 20 people in my neighborhood and planning permission is planning the next party and inviting three new neighbors, it's like, okay, millions of people can do that. And if discipleship like, when we create robust experiences, but they're simple for an ordinary person to lead and replicate. Like that's the game change and stuff.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:40:36 Wow. Yeah. Yep. That's powerful right there. Let me ask this question because when you mentioned the story or when, when Jason mentioned story of his wife and you said there's no lead pastor. I twitched a little bit. I confess. So let's unpack this and let's break it down at a biblical level, what is a challenge? Where does microsite struggle or does it not? Is there anything that a microsite cannot be that the Bible calls us to be?
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:41:20 Here's what I think it, it can easily be less than like, there's okay if, if I had a whiteboard and draw this, like, okay, at this end of the, imagine a funnel, okay. At this end of the funnel, it's widest. I think 100% of God's people are called to be missionaries and disciple makers. That's your birthright as a child of God, then you the funnel gets a little smaller. Within that group there's a smaller number that are able to lead a team of people or a group of people. Are you with me? Yeah. Right. And then within that group of people that can lead a group or a team, there's a smaller number that can lead what I would call a church. And then there's different models of church. If you're leading a micro church, there's tons of people who can lead that. But now if you're going to get to like the prevailing traditional model, now suddenly your funnel is getting like very, very small.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:42:13 So what I'm saying is if my biblical ecclesiology, like I think the strongest case is the definition I've already given. Like, if you look at what the church was in the new Testament reality, like from the best historical data and also in terms of like just biblical studies, most of the churches and then you test on are probably 20 to 70 people that were an oikos network that was converted basically to a church. And they continued to meet like in their homes and they became like little networks of these home churches in a city. Now when the church could meet, bring everyone together, like they could in Jerusalem, they would, you know. And then Paul rented a hall and brought people together. So I'm all for the public gatherings and we actually have a space for public gatherings even in the underground where we bring micro churches together as kind of a congregation to meet together.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:43:07 but if you have to get down to like what is the essential ecclesiology? To me it's like, it's a spiritually the spiritual extended family that's led by, what the Bible calls the elders. And Paul didn't set up lead pastors. He set up teams of elders in cities, right? It was a plurality of leadership. And then there's the other layer of deacons that came in with the church of Jerusalem. Those are pretty much the only opposite. So for me, it's not a church. If there's no eldership like to me it's like you're, it's a great Christian group, but if you're not under any eldership somewhere than you've chosen not to really be under the full headship of Jesus. Cause like to me it's like you see elders and deacons. So for it to be a micro church, in my mind, you have to be practicing community, mission and worship.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:43:58 And we all kind of know the main passages for those great commandment, great commission. Right? But then you also have to have those, offices in place somewhere. Now that doesn't mean every micro church has to have its own circle of elders, right? But over this network of micro churches that are elders providing oversight.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:44:16 You just alluded to elders, deacons over a network. And I'm just curious, it's not even on my list of questions, but how, what does the network look like compared to like a one off, like what's the, the stability of something of a family doing it versus creating a theologically backed network of house churches that are running? Like, give me a, give me a pros and cons kind of both.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:44:39 Well, I just think if you're a one off, you're completely vulnerable. It's not going to be sustainable. it's unbiblical as you're not connected to any eldership. The Bible clearly teaches that. The way that we're doing it right now, this first year of the underground, again, we're still an infant. Okay. So, but we decided the first year we're just gonna do like one hub and we're going to support and create multiple networks of micro churches. So we have like one network that's forming in Shawnee and one that's up in Piper and Boehner. And then another one that's forming in Overland park in Olathe. Like we have these networks of micro churches that are forming. So we just started a task force that's gonna do elder training so that like probably in the middle of next year while the elders for each one these networks. And then we'll formalize that and we're going to call them collectives. Okay. So a collective is a network of at least four or five micro churches and they have eldership. They will have, ownership of kind of like sustaining themselves and replicating themselves, all the signs of maturity kind of thing They will choose to gather as much as they want. So the networks might say, we're, we want to meet with all the micro churches once a month. Others might say, you know what, we're going to meet every week and we'll leave that up to the elders in those regions.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:46:01 So you've been talking about this, you've got this leader, you've got this person in your funnel, you're driving them deeper in and you want them to be the pastor of your house church. You use the term campus pastor for your micro sites. Like, how do you prepare someone, how do you grow someone to the point where they're spiritually mature enough to shepherd, to lead to guy, house church of 30, 50, 100 people?
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:46:28 So we do a a one on one teaching basis. So the first, the first couple that we launched our first two micro-sites with, I trained them for a while, about six months going over a lot of the stuff that we cover in our discipleship groups like routed, things like that spiritual rhythms, spiritual disciplines that they, they're going to need in order to pastor these people. and then from then on out they have served as pretty much the gold standard and the trainers. So whenever we launch a new one, we, we kind of send them to that micro site, to, to like shadow these people for awhile before we launch those out. But there's like, there's no like how many of you guys would the Christian college? Yeah. How many of you really were prepared to do ministry when you got to, you're like, you don't, you don't know how to do ministry until you do ministry. And so, we are comfortable with empowering people to use the gifts God's given them realizing there might be some failures, but the, the, the pros outweigh the cons in that every, every time for us.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:47:36 Oh, for us we've got like a suite of tools and training that go from informal to formal and our hub basically you've got that personal discovery calling team that helps you discover your calling. Do a kind of a deep dive on your own spiritual, emotional, relational health. You get spiritual direction that's provided. We have a startup coaching team that meets with new potential leaders to help them basically put together their business plan or their new kingdom initiative. We have an ongoing coaching team that helps to optimize the ongoing micro churches. and then, we also, I'll let you go ahead and talk about we have what we content funnel disciple-making environments, which is, is actually kind of an overall of the Tiki three years to go through this training. But like Tyler said, it's on the job training. It's not like you're doing this all beforehand and then when you're finished with this you'll go, it's like, no, you're doing this along the way, so why don't you talk about the ideas.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:48:32 Alrighty. basically I created a couple of things. Westside was really good at reaching the lost and equally good at losing the found, if that makes sense. We got that. We could get a lot of folks there, but we could help seekers become believers, but we weren't systematically helping believers become followers and followers become influencers. And so it created a couple of experiences to do that. I'll unpack those in just a minute, but at one point I was asked, you can't take the tools, Brian, that you've created into a third world environment where we're doing some of our global global work. So what are the irreducible minimums? And out of that is call them our language for intentional disciple-making environment. And it's really three phrases that summarize in all, well the first one is outcome focused or relentlessly focused on the outcomes and what are the outcomes if you recall, character and calming.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:49:22 So we're always revisiting how are we doing? Are you more loving and joyful, peaceful? How's the calling going? The development going, not just determining what your gifts are, but your area of passion is and serve in that area of passion with your gifts. So we're relentlessly focused on those two things. So it's outcome focused, it's habit fueled, habit fueled. It's not content fueled. Learning things doesn't make you different. It just helps you realize that gap between where you could be and where you are, which is a problem, right? I can't go to a CrossFit gym, open up their manual and read it and get more fit. But for whatever reason, we've allowed content to kind of remain King, inside the church thinking that if we deliver the information, the practical applications will be made and the outcomes will be accomplished. I think that that's not working.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:50:18 Okay. The point here here. So it's outcome focused and it's habit fueled. And what's important is to marry the habits to the, I'll, I don't want to go to a CrossFit gym as I can demonstrate without any further investigative research on that, right? But there have been seasons of my life where the, the outcome of a more fit body got me into the gym and will get me back cause it tastes good when you get going. So what if we did tie the spiritual habits to the spiritual outcomes that help you get there and everybody gets it. You know, the other way, if you want the reps, you want the abs, you've got to do the reps and it's the same thing with spiritual formation that suddenly somehow the enemy has tricked us into believing that the habits are about legalism. Like it couldn't be further from the truth.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:51:12 So outcome focused, habit fueled, and then content flavored. The content is adjusted based upon where they are in their spiritual formation. You don't teach systematic theology to folks that are searching for Jesus, but you don't teach Craig Groeshel's same six week thing for people that are wanting to really grow, if that makes sense. There's content that can serve folks in different areas of formation. So that's our IDE, that's our intentional disciple-making environment. And we have one that's six months long that basically reorients people around the missional rhythms of dependence upon the spirit to actually change in character and it's called Followers Made, folks that have done that and you have to be serving somewhere in Jesus' name. They actually get into these things and it's a high bar, you know, exclusive invitation, limited duration. What are some of the other dynamics that are unusual, about followers?
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:52:10 Th length of it. Most people are shocked. You can get someone to do six months. Yeah. And then everyone in it, it's built on shared leadership. So not only are you learning to be a disciple by the end of it, you're ready to make disciples. And we average 30%, 30% reproduction rate, 30% of the people that go through ours may end up actually making your disciples. Wow. It's crazy.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:52:33 And another distinctive of it is we encourage groups of up to 12 because Jesus kind of modeled that. And then we break the group, we subdivided the groups into triads and it's all done. All of this same time and our technology that we delivered, we actually are a tech company that depends on tech. We deliver these experiences in a way where you're actually reading the scripture, like you version hit our app, you're actually journaling.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:52:59 And I will, I believe in an I will statement like, what did I learn and what am I gonna do about it within the app? And you have two other people in the group of 12 of up to 12 that are actually seeing your journals and holding you accountable to them. Wow. So it's not just the frequency of the journaling that you're required to keep up with. It's the actual actions that Jesus led you to in that app. So Followers Made, there's a 10 and a half month leaders made that Optima optimize spiritual influence and spiritual leadership, servant leadership. And then we have one called a missionaries made, which takes those folks that are already mature in Christ either after followers made or after leaders may typically not all the time. that helps people really deep dive into the blessed rhythms where they're fully engaged with their neighbors and, and God is creating spiritual activity in and through them in their area. And then micro church learning community is a 12 month process that helps you actually move from just having that spiritual activity into more organized and trained into the whole system that lends to a network of houses and notes.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:54:08 So you've got disciples may that's the six month, well that's the initial one, right?
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:54:12 The Disciples made is the umbrella that all four.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:54:14 So followers made, the six months. Like what percentage of people that are involved in any given house church, micro location go through followers made?
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:54:27 Well, again, we have this big bed to that suite of tools. We have informal tools, which are things like we have a set of like 11 different shapes or symbols that are each around a key area of life. And it's the kind of thing where you can share them in like two minutes with somebody or you can have a two hour conversation about it. Or we have Discovery Bible studies where you can spend six weeks on it. We train all of our micro church leaders and how to use all those tools because they typically end up starting by using these informal tools that we teach people about how to do Discovery Bible study, which is a very simple way of engaging the scripture as a community. That's it bakes in obedience. It bakes in reproduction. so we teach people how to do discovery Bible study, and then we have the Followers made, Leaders made. So we're, again, we're under a year old. We have just launched like one new followers made, one new leaders made, a new missionaries made and a new micro church learning community. So right now there's four of those operating but it's just the first round, like, all previously.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:55:51 So you've got tools that, you know, cold to hot you, maybe you've got some of the organic two minutes, two hours type of things to get someone who's maybe cold to Christ or cold to the idea and come warm them up into the process and eventually get them in a more rich pipeline of followers. May have been other stuff to roll. Yeah.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:56:10 Like we would tell people it's probably going to be at least 12 to 24 months before you actually see a really sustainable, extended spiritual family in your community. And that's at the point where you can looking and going, okay, maybe I'll start. Power's made perfect by microchurch. You know what I mean?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:56:28 And so it's interesting, you've got two different paradigms here and I don't want to tug on the thread too hard, but 12 to 24 months over here with, with followers may, I know Rooted it is probably 10 to 12 weeks and there's obviously strengths and weaknesses in both models and challenges to overcome. But what's interesting is both of them have a, a pathway to go through to create an addition, an intentional disciple model.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:56:54 There is a common denominator with all go for us. It's not, it's their discipleship strategy is not one and done. It's coaching on top of just in time training a little bit.
  
    
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  Audience: 00:57:10 Tyler, did you guys use that to help build leaders up and to prepare them for that? Is that kind of part of that training? Like a two or three minutes?
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:57:18 So initially, no because we, we started church anywhere before we started doing rooted in the church. so we're two and a half years in the church of the Americans. This point, we started rooted about a year and a half ago, so now that's the funnel. before it was like, like I said, the one on one teaching, the one-on-one had come along with me to a hospital call, that kind of deal. but now we have a much better like funnel when we started it. Like nobody else was doing that. So we had no idea what we were doing yesterday. So it was like the wild West where people were shooting whatever, just to see what happens. And that's kinda how we did it. That's how we, we knew we wanted to push our people to be the church. We just didn't have a great strategy to make those discipled leaders yet. and now we do. So we've been doing rooted now for about a year and a half or so.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 00:58:13 It's interesting. I just had a conversation with a church leader on unspoken, he's a new thing network leader out there and they use rooted too is the front end of their kind of deception pathway and they're about to adopt missionaries made is like the phase two part like a four months.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:58:27 As he was saying that, I was like man that can marry together so well. So we piloted the first online rooted group and through that they developed an app where everything was like right on their or you can have community within it. You can read the material, you can stay connected. That kind of deal cause. They'd be a lot of how we did it before was so scattered cause he would need like zoom, Marco polo and Facebook and all that stuff. But now it's all over the place. Yeah.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 00:59:03 One of the things that I hope you guys are noticing is that the conversation that we were having about church online five, 10 years ago was about the Sunday surveys, but a lot of the new tools that you're seeing and what people are putting their energy toward is the more important discipleship stuff and tech that we need to make the discipleship work.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:59:23 The online ministry that we do, the Sunday services, such a small portion of that. Right. That's when I come through this conference. I have to get my mind back around like, okay, we need to focus on the Sunday service. Cause that's been so much of my like week not focusing on the Sunday service and doing ministry in other ways.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:59:44 Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, that's aside. I don't know that I want to get lost on the Sunday service now. So somebody out there is thinking about doing this, like how do they get started? What do I need to do? They probably didn't have a conversation with leadership. How's that go? Like what next step for somebody out there who's interested in micro locations, what does that look like?
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 01:00:02 If you're thinking about micro church, Brian Sanders is, he leads the underground network, which is a larger network. We're a part of. He just released a new book. It's called Micro Churches: A Smaller Way. I would read that book, as a leadership team because I think it's the best thing I've seen out there. And then more importantly, I would ask you to think about how you can be a better missionary where God has already sent you. So like when I'm talking about church leaders, I'll walk through the bus rhythms and say, really the best thing you could do is like spend six months actually really trying to live these rhythms deeply in one context and watch what Jesus does in your own life. You know, I would start there.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 01:00:43 Yeah. I can't stress enough how it's one thing to talk about doing this type of ministry. In theory. It's another thing to actually, even though I'm the like the facilitator of all of Church Anywhere within our context like it is, it has changed my life. But really we have a 17 year old daughter now because of Church Anywhere and so I can't stress enough that it's like yet you have to be a part of it. You have to allow God to take your colleague and do the same thing. And so start there. So even if you haven't had that conversation with leadership yet and you're still tossing this around, nothing is stopping you from going out and being a missionary in your neighborhood or in a local school system or wherever you're passionate about.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 01:01:26 For us, the quick answer does is, you know, we would actually, if you're interested in using disciples maze, more formal tools like we were talking about, we actually encourage you to start small. We don't want to go big. We encourage you to start with one pilot group and let those stories invite other people cause it is a different way that does create tensions over time. And I would invite you to do it more of small with leadership, but I can give you a little poker chip. We have, that's my business card and we've got videos on there that kind of unpack the IDE followers made leaders made that you can share with leadership. If nothing else, just to help turn the dial more in the direction that we've discussed today. Yes sir.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 01:02:36 So ours are our and our micro sites would consider themselves part of First Capitol Christian Church for example. And there's an inmate at Branchville Correctional Facility named Jerry who sends us a $10 check every single month. That gives, he believes he should be tithing to his church. and that's not an uncommon thing for us, so they, they feel part of our family. So it really is like an extension of what we do in the building with us just being the church outside of the building.
  
    
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  Rob Wegner: 01:03:08 Oh, in Kansas City Underground, most of the people on the micro church would see that as their primary church. some of them though are also connected to other congregations. So we have Mike, various partnerships in the city. Like there's a large church in our city called Heartland, probably church about 3000. And they have freed up a staff person to help develop micro church leaders in their congregation. So they see their, their congregation in their churches at the hub, you know, and they want to build out the equipping teams and they're a part of the underground. So right now we're providing all the services for their people while they raise up the first round of micro church leaders. And then over time can build their own equipping teams.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 01:03:48 It's a, it has to be a philosophy shift because we consider ourselves, we wouldn't say up, but our church vision has shifted to function in a way of we like our churches and so if, if the leadership can't make that shift, there's going to be some serious tension. and you're going to get into some problems of all these people who are leaving. They're not there, the actual church to do house.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:04:21 And the thing I love about, first capital in church anywhere is the vision is intimately tied to it. That's what I, yeah, and they are, and they are reaching people that are not coming to the building. And so I think if your audience overlaps, that's where you're going to have problems because your mic, it's the same thing with church online. We're church online is allegedly taking people out of the pews, finding another audience, find the strategy place where it makes sense and allow both to compliment and help each other instead of constantly fighting and conflicting and robbing Peter to pay Paul.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 01:04:54 Without that ministry philosophy shift there will be tension.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 01:06:25 So they've got still attraction [inaudible] in a way to serve on the weekends and children's ministry and then go launch these missions. There's not enough time, but you can leverage those volunteer positions as incubators for developing people's personal calling. Right. We actually created a measurable on our data sheet for the first impressions team. Like we have 230 volunteers or so at any given time. We add a line item in our measureables every year. How many people did we graduate out to a better step of personal calling like they will, they went from being just people that came to people that served. That's a smaller pool. If there's people that serve, how do we help develop them and influence in that area and disciple them and then disciple them out?
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 01:07:08 So one of our microsites is in an elementary school and the lady started as, she's a teacher, but she started serving in our church, in the elementary department, like the kids department. But when we released people, two years ago to like go about and be empowered to be the church, like she, we've cultivated this passion within her for elementary kids for years. And so it was natural for her to step into the role of volunteer campus pastor for an elementary campus, about a hundred kids.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 01:07:54 Yeah, we had some but we shifted, like I said, we shifted our entire vision of the entire church. So you're gonna you're obviously gonna have pushback with that. We knew we would take some lumps, but as people started to see results, and that as a part of the thing we do is we'll videotape baptisms like at the other side, when you start showing that stuff on the weekend, I'm like, Hey, this is so-and-so from two hours away. And these people we sent out to new pastors, just baptize them, check this out. Like people started the way they feel about things pretty quickly.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 01:08:30 There's a transition bell curve that saved my soul, Jesus. And then the transition, cause it helps you see, and this is a sociological proven thing that's in businesses. Anytime you bring change into an organization, you've got the innovators, you've got the early adopters, you've got the early majority of the late majority, and then the laggerts and there's percentages of people. And here's what I've learned. It's the stories of the innovators that attract the early adopters as the story of the early adopters that gained the trust of the early majority and so forth. And then the last 16%, the laggards, they never come.
  
    
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  Brian Phipps: 01:09:05 And so there will always be pushed back. There'll always be 16% pushback regardless. Yeah. For as long as you do it until they're gone. And if you disciple, right, you're well beyond that 16% disciple. Right? That's why we actually say start small and let the stories of the first group or two or three. Yeah, start the Lebanon in the flower. You know it just grows over time. So for us that 16% pushback became very quickly outweighed by the like 103% life change compared to in person. But you can Google that bell curve and see those stats and it's so helpful.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:09:40 We're going to break the podcast right there. Many of you guys are considering this shift to a micro location and having done them it is it a very exciting part of ministry in the the ability that we have to to impact to disciple, to help people grow deeper in their faith, even using online to create a virtual network of discipleship across the country and around the world. Man, it's just awesome. And I pray for churches today and I've been encouraged more and more as more and more churches are realizing that that church online needs to replicate itself in physical areas and are using this idea of the micro model really to kind of start to foster and grow these micro locations all around the country. And so it is happening, it is a model and we will see it continue to grow, in prayerfully succeed.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:10:29 But this idea of getting leadership onboard is so key. And I just wanted to reiterate here right now with y'all as you're developing these plans, a philosophical shift like a micro location is definitely something that your leadership that your senior pastor, that, that your elders, whatever your structure is that your church, they need to understand and catch the vision of. There are some things in church online where, you know, I've had pastors tell me in the past, I don't care what you're doing Jeff, just go out there and just make it happen. That's awesome. I trust you. And integratively the idea of a micro location is not something that you can just get a free pass on. but in finding that strategy where you can, can reach out and impact people through the micro location, that that isn't impacting your physical campus locations or fine tuning it in such a way that both can coexist.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:11:19 That's where you're gonna see the physical church is going to understand the most of what church online can give you a where you're not just impacting the, the local areas in your town, but you're expanding your churches reach far beyond the 1520 miles around your building to where God leads you and where the Holy spirit can direct you micro locations. She goes a step further. It takes the lid off of the church and all of a sudden you can see yourself spread in a, in a richer, deeper and further away. And we'd discussed it in many ways and in this podcast why micro locations can help the church. And, there's certainly more that we'll be talking about soon. Well, it's been a great podcast. We've loved being here with you guys. And we'll we look forward to seeing you again soon here at The Church Digital Podcast. Y'all have a good day.

  
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                    Why do we do Church Online? I’m willing to bet that you’ve asked this question of yourself, and of your church’s leadership… maybe even asking some of your high-level volunteers. I’m also willing to bet that there’s some discrepancy among the three groups.
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                    Ten years ago, Church Online was defined as the broadcasting of our church services on online platforms. Arguably, that is no longer a holistic definition of “church” than the person that just attends that one-hour church service on Sunday in your buildings. There’s more to Church than that one-hour on Sunday, both in physical buildings and in digital environments. The strength of Church Online isn’t broadcasting our services around the world… the strength is engaging people to the point they become disciple-makers.
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                    Recorded live from the Church IT Network at Church of the Resurrection in Kansas City, Kansas, “Redefining the Why of Church Online” is a panel of Online Pastors from around the country who have wrestled with reshaping the “why” for their church. This is a great opportunity to learn from their experience, and heed their advice.
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:00 All right. We've got Episode 32 of The Church Digital Podcast and this is going to be a fun one. This one was recorded live from the CITN (Church IT Network) Conference, we've just recently had in Kansas City, Kansas. Yes, we were on the Kansas side of Kansas, not the Missouri side. I checked my phone several times to make sure I didn't work between states throughout the conference, but we were in the Kansas city and it was a great conference by the way, through the Church IT Network. We had 25-27 breakout sessions strictly designed towards Church Online and online ministry. It is a phenomenal conference if you've never done it before. If you haven't checked out the Church IT Network as a church tech crew, as a online ministry, as church online people. You should definitely check that out. I led a panel of four at the Church IT Conference specifically discussing how to redefine the why of church online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:48 Joining me on the panel was Tyler Sansom from Church Anywhere, First Capitol Christian, no stranger to the podcast. Jason Morris from Westside Family. Once again, no stranger to the podcast or either Randy Green who is actually from Church of the Resurrection, the church where the conference was at by the way, who has a Master's in divinity. And his thesis was specifically written on church online, which I found awesome. And then finally, Jan Touchberry from Christ Fellowship. Now it's not the Christ Fellowship in Miami or the one in West Palm Beach. This is the Christ Fellowship in Dallas. Yes, there are a lot of Christ Fellowships here in the church online realm. Anyway, the four of us got together and we have a phenomenal conversation. We had some great questions from the audience to respond to and it really was just a great panel as together we discussed how to redefine the why of church online. Now audio here isn't the best quality we've ever done and we please ask you to forgive us on that. But the quality of this content, maybe not the audio quality, the fidelity, but the quality of the content. I personally definitely wanted you all to experience this. So here you go.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:02:02 My name is Tyler Samson. I'm from a church in Corydon, Indiana, which I don't expect any of you guys to know where it's at, but it's right outside of Louisville, Kentucky. And the church is called First Capital Christian Church, I'm the lead of a ministry called Church Anywhere.
  
    
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  Jan Touchberry: 00:02:17 My name's Jan Touchberry. I am the online campus pastor at Christ Fellowship in McKinney, Texas. Not to be confused with any of the Christ Fellowship's all over the other places, although it's confused all the time, and I have been doing church online for about the last 10 years.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:02:34 Hey, I'm Randy Green. I'm actually on staff here at Church of the Resurrection. So welcome to church, the resurrection. Glad you all can be here. My role here is like kind of the lead of all of our digital marketing and engagement. So this is my first time at church it network because I'm in our communications department, not our it department. And so, um, I'm like expanding the worldview of what I do, uh, to be with you all today. But I'm excited.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:03:00 I have a master of arts in theological studies, a degree from a center right here in town. And so what we're talking about today is something that's very close on my heart. This like integration of what it is between like the digital world and the church world and how those aren't necessarily separate spheres. So, yeah, thanks for being here.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:03:18 I'm Jason Morris. I'm global innovation pastor at Westside family church. Just about 30 minutes away from here. Um, I oversee the digital expression of Westside family church and use it to catalyze global church planning movements around the world.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:03:37 Awesome. So let's, uh, let's just dive into this thing. So we're going to redefine the why of church online. First question, we're gonna ask and uh, and see where we go. Why does your church do church online? Subnote it's more than just so some lazy guy can watch church in his underwear, right? I wrote it because that's the conversation I've had with, I've had pastors, Hey, can we not broadcast within like 50 miles of our church because we don't want people to stay at home in their underwear, but there's more to church online than just to let this guy stay at home in his underwear. Right. So open for the room. Why do you guys do church online?
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:04:28 for me, church online is so important and so primal to what we do because Jesus said go into all the world and that's what we get to do. So it basically, that's it. Cliff notes. That's it. Um, I believe that Jesus gave us technology as a force multiplier for the gospel and we need to use it and we will be held account for not using it if we don't. That includes the internet includes social media, includes everything of technology that Jesus has given us to extend his kingdom. So I would feel really scared for not using it. I'm seriously standing before Jesus one day and he's like, dude, I gave you the internet. You know, what'd you do with it? So it's like for me, that's why we do what we do. Um, to answer the other part of this question is another conversation, but I'll let these guys speak into that.
  
    
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  Jan Touchberry: 00:05:32 Oh, I will address the lazy guy in please. Because I think anybody who's been in the online church sphere has heard that come out of somebody's mouth in your leadership at your church. And um, what we pretty quickly found in our church is that our, some people gonna say, well, we just felt like being lazy and watching church online and our pajamas. Yes. But that's not the majority. And um, and what we found is for people who cannot get there, whether it's because they have sick kids or they're traveling or whatever the life circumstances that prevents them from walking into the brick and mortar, it allows them to stay connected.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:06:13 The question, I feel like equates dress code with laziness. Yeah. And we shouldn't, I don't care if you're in your underwear or not. Are you a soul that needs Jesus? Yes. So I don't care what you're wearing. I think the question underlying question is the laziness part of it and for whatever reason there is this weird stigma that I don't think is as true today as it could have been five or 10 years ago. Yeah. Because today, literally there are people that are intentionally gathering their families and their neighbors maybe in or not in their underwear. I don't know. But their intentions are there, but there they are. They are intentionally being missional right where they live. And to say that that's lazy, I think it was an insult to the vision that some people have in using church online. That's true.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:07:12 To say that to say that it's lazy is taking the vision of what God had for the church period. Way out of context.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:07:17 Right. It's actually more lazy in some cases to show up
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:07:21 and do not think and do nothing. Um, for us, we are an exceptionally small church to be, um, did do online ministry. You don't, you don't think of a church our size doing that. Um, Jason's actually been there. This is the worst possible location for a church. I'm not exaggerating. We are on a dead end street on a ne like in a neighborhood where everything's been built around us. Um, but we're like way away from the expansion of the town and the town is only 3000 anyways, so like a super small town. So for us, we started doing online ministry because that's where people were. We were in a town where, um, fortunately we're drawing a lot of people from our area, but um, we figured that a lot of other people needed the gospel as well. And so we are doing everything we can to one day look at Jesus and him say, well done.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:08:04 Good and faithful servant. Yeah. So in the process of, of redefining and reshaping what church online is, we're really find ourselves maybe reshaping what the word church is, which will get us to question two. Um, how do we define church? How much time are we going to go for it? So, uh, this is, this has been something that's a, this reshaped for us at first capital over the last two years. Um, a lot of people for, for a long time, a lot of people have looked at church from the acts two 42 perspective of the gathering and eating together and bring together. Um, and that's 100% what church can be, but I think church started back in acts one eight, um, which is you get the Holy spirit and it gives you power and then you go out and be witness. And I think for a long time we've, we've turned into something that's very consumeristic because, um, when you meet together and you pray together and eat together, that's great, but it's filling you. And, um, I think the church was meant to go out and be a witness. And the byproduct of that is this community side of acts two 42. So for me, churches, um, followers of Christ being the witness and spreading the good news. And then the byproduct of that is you have other followers that are doing the same thing. So you have this community and this network of people. And I think that's what church is, at least for us, is
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:09:24 I think there's really powerful with what you were describing a minute ago of like, people come together in their homes, um, and just being in community in that sense, whether they're in their underwear or not. Uh, that's, that can, that is a very much a sense of community to me. And when I think of church and what it means to be the church, I think of, you know, we come to a church building for like an hour or two hours a week or something like that, but I think of the other six days and 22 hours. Um, and to me that's the real like embodiment of the church. What we do when we're not in the building, what we do when we're out in the community and outliving the rest of our lives. That is how we'd be the church. Um, and so, so when I think of what it means to be the church, I think of the ways that we're taking what happens in that hour or two or the ways that were filled in that time. And the ways we're pouring that back out into the rest of our lives.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:10:15 So the, when you say the word church, um, there are so many diff, it's a complex word because when Jesus said that was what he was going to build, you find so many different metaphors of that because it's much bigger than just one thing. Sure. You find the church being described as the bride as a flop, as a family, as a body. There's so many different metaphors because not one size fits all. Not one word fits all. How expansive the church actually is. And so when we talk about what is church immediately, most of us think about what is a church service. And I think we need to discern the difference between the two because if we're talking about how to do a church service online, well we would answer that question very differently. And you know, to use your point X too, a lot of times the church service tries to do all of those things in one event, which I don't know that the passage really says that they did all of those things in one event.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:11:21 It could be, you could do it in using different events, different things at different times. It also says they met every day. So maybe there's another way of describing that. But what is true definitely is that there is a sense of belonging, there is a sense of family, there is a sense of unity and belonging that can't be denied. Whatever metaphor you happen to use and the church service is just an outpouring of that community. So if we're talking about what is church, I think first of all, we needed to decide what we're talking about. Are we talking about your service? Are we talking about the church? And if we're talking about the church, then we can talk about the church online or we can talk about the church service online and I'm not really clear as to what, which one you're going in for.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:12:09 I'm just stirring the pot like that. Um, the, the end game is that I would suggest that a lot of, uh, a lot of churches today define that church by the one hour on Sunday. Right? as we talk with, you know, with sties at least as I've talked to a staffs about, you know, pouring some energy into other things or going away and doing something else with that because there's more to a church than just that one hour on Sunday, uh, and the physical space. But in our virtual spaces, there are five to 10,000 churches each week that broadcast their services in some context, whether it's a Facebook live, whether it's chop platform, uh, YouTube, whatever we're broadcasting to service. But when it comes to, you know, that next piece, uh, doing some sort of a, of a, a small group, a biblical community, uh, disciple-making process in that, uh, Oh no, no. Discipleship can only exist in physical space. It can't, it can't exist virtually, which, which kind of gets us to a Pinto. Um, which really segways nicely into this next question of, uh, of what are the perceived weaknesses of, of church online. Uh, how do we answer these is how can we enter these weaknesses and how has your church kinda over overcome?
  
    
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  Jan Touchberry: 00:13:28 Yeah. I think that a lot of the perceived weaknesses are from people who don't understand church online chiefly because they've never attended a church online service. I. E. a lot of the leadership who have, they're so focused on what happens in the hour on Sunday that um, church online is church light, right? It's um, it may or may not count for, uh, doing church that week or, or being part of the church. Um, I think that education is a huge piece of helping people understand that there can be very dynamic, um, discipleship and relationships and um, deep connection with biblical truth and all of the things that we desire for people to experience when they are a part of our church. All that can happen in the online space if your mind is not stuck in the box mortar brick and mortar box
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:14:39 with the, what you're describing is a lot of the things that when people talk to me about it, about some of the real weaknesses when you're dealing with just textual communication. But this is not a new problem for church online. We have the same problem that you can find in the Bible when they criticized the apostle Paul for his letters being harsh. But when he shows up in person, he's a real nice, you know, and so that this particular problem of uh, losing information when you used pen and ink or when you use words or a text is not a new phenomenon. It's as old as the Bible. In fact, you know, the other criticism is, well, people can be anonymous and they can just write whatever. Well, again, this is not a new phenomenon only related to church online. Even in the new Testament, you find the apostle Paul, look, I'm writing in my own handwriting all of a sudden, the kind of stuff, because there were other people writing in his name that really weren't him.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:15:43 This is not anything new. So the whole idea of using anonymity as a problem for church online, well that's a problem for the church. If you're talking about, um, people missing through textual communication, that's a problem for the church. It's not really a problem for terms online. And what I think many times happens with church online is that it surfaces the inherent weaknesses, not of church online, but our predominant model of doing church in general. So many times, um, people say, well, they're just numbers. They're anonymous. Well, how many names? How did he, how many people do you know by name who show up? You know, in your onsite campus? Do you really know? You know, there's, there's so many other aspects of this that really brute down into actually surfacing really wonderful conversations because church online is a force multiplier and it magnifies the good and the bad of whatever you're doing.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:16:45 So if your discipleship process onsite isn't great online, it's going to make that worse. If, if your service isn't that great, online is going to make it worse. You know, if, if your preaching is not that great, online is gonna make it worse. But if you do have systems and processes and pipelines that do work well, online is going to make it better. So that for me is, um, yes, church online has weaknesses, but I don't know that there are any more that weaknesses than what church on site has. Here's the, here's the weakness that I think needs to be overcome. A couple of them actually, one is a proper scorecard that all of us struggle with, with church online. Um, because break that down. What's the scorecard? Well, the metrics of trying to compare what happens online with what happens on site, is it apples to oranges comparison?
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:17:44 Because what happens online, you can measure attention way better than you can measure attendance, but on site you measure attendance but you can't measure attention. And so what happens is, is that you have like thousands and thousands of people who show up for 15 seconds, right? That doesn't count yet for the person who shows up, puts his butt in the seat, totally ignores everything and it's like looking all the cute girls and checking out his fantasy football and then maybe tunes in for the one time when the pastor says, if you don't hear anything else, hear this, you know, says it for 30 seconds, that 30 seconds of attention, that does count when all the rest of it is inattention, does it. So you're measuring different things to begin with. And to get those two scoreboards to jive together, I think is a weakness and a challenge for all of us online because of the different types of scoreboards that we're working with.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:18:40 That's one thing. The other thing that I think is a weakness that I see on most of what happens with church online as it relates to comparing to church on site is the lack or the the weakness of kids ministry. Now that's not to say that, um, that's a really a problem because 300 years ago, nobody had kids ministry either, right. And somehow the church survived, right? And so for the family who's in their underwear with their PJ's, with other kids that's trying to do church as a family, integrated as a family and doing that church online. That says more to me for the parents in their intentionality of what they're trying to do with their kids and taking ownership as the spiritual leader of their household. That says more to me for that family. And if we don't have kids' ministry and the way that we have kids' ministry on site, I don't know if that's a weakness or not, but it is an apples to oranges.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:19:39 Well, I mean at the minimum it's an opportunity right now. We as a, as a church, expressing ourselves online, have our responsibility to empower that parent. I've got two kids, nine and 11. I would love for a church to empower me with resources to allow me to better disciple my kids. Right. Um, rather than, you know, shuffling them off to, to children's church to enable me to be the spiritual father, you know, in that, in that environment would be awesome. So if you're writing that down, take, take a note. Jeffrey wants help discipling. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. That note. Hey, uh, so let's, let's segue into this, uh, with that, what is your physical churches vision and how does church online help meet that vision? And this is hard, uh, and some of these may be a work in progress, but we get a little bit here into the strategy part of this, right? So church, a physical church has a vision. Your church has a vision. What role does church online? Like our church has. Vision is a say. I help people find and follow Jesus. Super, not original. Had a lot of people have that. Um, but the thing that we've done is that onsite and online. And then at our micro sites we have this linear, um,
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:20:48 discipleship pathway. So one side of this is the fine side. So that's how, uh, strategies to help people find Jesus. And we want to take someone who's just looking to like getting to know us and there's a conversion line in the middle. So at some point we hope to have, um, like pop the question and they decide to make Jesus Lord of their life. Um, and then are you on one knee for that? Like, yeah, yeah. It's, we do this and there's like the Jesus petting the land picture. So you've got conversion, conversion line and then you have, uh, someone who's digging deeper and then all, and so we have to follow aside. Um, but we've been very intentional of having a strategy that, um, like one, if this is church here and this is church anywhere, which is what we call our church online, um, they can intersect at any point. So through this, the schedule will breakout on this by the way. Yeah. Jason and I will be talking about this a little bit later today, but, um, this pathway has really focused us on helping people meet the vision of, of finding and following Jesus. Um, no matter where they enter that timeline and, and no matter if they're in person or if we have a virtual relationship with them.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:21:51 By the way, to give you guys context, he's, he's in a town of 3000, but how many do you have a church? About 1200. Wow. And how many are in church anywhere? Um, physical bodies in church, anywhere. So these are micro sites, uh, somewhere around 800. Okay. So put that in perspective with a town of 3000. So, and then the church online is a different category for us, right? Yeah. Okay. It's amazing what happens when you take church to the people instead of making the people come to church. All right. So anybody else want to chime in here? A church lines? We just tightly align our online vision to the physical church vision. I think it should be that way. So for us at West side, it's a loving Jesus becoming like Jesus and sharing Jesus. And what we do online is helping people love Jesus, but kind of like Jesus and share Jesus online. We kind of use that as a qualifier, but I don't even think it's necessary. That's what we do. Sure.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:22:49 For us at church of the resurrection are our big kind of purpose is to build a Christian community where nonreligious and nominally religious people are becoming deeply committed Christians. Uh, and so, you know, there, there's a lot you can unpack with that. Um, but for me, the real, like the real power behind online church is the idea that we can develop that, that community of deeply committed Christians. We can ask people to go deeper and deeper within their Christian faith at any point throughout the day, like throughout the week. So it's this thing like it permeates their lives. So instead of asking them to come to a service for an hour, once a week, we can throughout the week be a presence in their lives, you know, asking, um, you know, how can we be praying for you? Um, what, what you have going on that we can be in ministry with you. Um, and just those kinds of things. So it's just the perpetual access that we have, um, to, to continually work with, to become more deeply
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:23:46 committed Christians. I love that. Which segues excellently into the next question. I'm broadcasting my services online. Isn't that enough? Well, yeah, no, I'm just kidding.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:24:06 It would be enough if church were just a church service. Yeah. And some churches are like that and if that's all it is, then fine. But most people I talked to, most pastors I talk to while that one hour can, tends to consume a lot of their time. All of them would say that the church is much bigger than that. It's not just a church service because if it is just a church service, we should all be in our underwear and watch TV on Sunday morning. If that's all it is.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:24:35 Which, which goes back to the why. Um, I mean if, if your church's vision is not being fulfilled, um, then you're not, you're doing something wrong with the church online. Like for example, who ha you got everybody have a cell phone in your pocket right now. Okay. I'm assuming you don't only have that cell phone in your pocket at 10 45 on a Sunday morning for an hour. Correct. And so like if we, if we can't help people find and follow Jesus in our case, um, for the rest of the hours of that week, um, with things that you literally have in your pocket, um, then we're not fulfilling the vision of our church. That's not, that's not the church. We're just simply doing something cause other churches are doing it on Facebook. I love this.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:25:14 My pastor says that church online is wrong because church is only in physical space. Help exclamation Mark, exclamation market to mention more. By the way, I hear this a lot. Hebrews 10, 25 do not abandon meeting together, blah, blah, blah. So, um, how somebody out there is thinking this, I guarantee somebody had this conversation with leadership. How do we respond in a situation like that? Can I give you a personal story? So last week, um,
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:25:42 two, two weeks ago, two Saturdays ago, I preached a funeral of a lady named Betty. And the first time I ever saw her in person was in the casket. Um, so if you, if, if you can tell me that I was not meeting with her, um, because I was only talking to her online, um, that would discredit the fact that like she had said, I was her pastor and had requested knowing she was sick, had requested me to do that funeral. And so there's a real argument to be made that our culture has already moved past the point of, uh, community only being face to face. Uh, Jeff, I would consider you a friend and we've only seen each other in person twice ever. But, um, all I know, but because the two hours sleep because of because of FaceTime, because constant communication I believe. Absolutely. Then we've met before, um, besides the two times in physical space. Um, and so I don't think there's a whole huge argument for that one. I think that's just passengers being a little behind the culture. That's so true.
  
    
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  Jan Touchberry: 00:26:44 I also think that we have to consider, um, even church online has morphed so much over the last 10. I don't know how long has left church been doing church. I feel like they were like the beginning, but I feel like over the last 10 years, even what, what a lot of us who've been in that space has, has morphed as culture has changed and technology is moving so fast right now and people who are not even willing to try to keep up are going to miss the boat. We are, we are raising digital natives right now. That's all they know. They don't, they don't know a world without it. And so if we are not figuring out and I think what you are doing, we need to go have lunch or something because I really want to talk about what you're doing. Um, but what you're doing in, it's not church online, it's the church online. And that's the key right there. That's awesome.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:28:08 ostrich. They're already saying. Yeah, there's a, there's a movement. There's a really interesting conversation. I don't want to have it here. Um, but what would it look like if a church lived only in digital space? How can a church, um, move away from a, um, a weekend service oriented ministry plan to a discipleship oriented, empower the people to be the pastor plan and become a much more multiplication, duplication process of enabling not the pastor to be the hero of the story but the people to be the hero of the story. Um, and like I said, if you're interested in that conversation, uh, tomorrow, I think there's like a, a micro location conversation panel on leading. We're going to get into that over there. Um, cause that is a completely separate conversation. But at the end of the day, you're right. The millennials, uh, millennials are, I do think that, uh, the generations underneath that, I think there's an opportunity to engage a little more. Millennials have been damaged by us. Uh, yeah, man, you're a lot more honest when your lack of sleep. But, uh, I do think there's an opportunity for the church to, to turn it around. And what's interesting is I think you need different models to reach different people. And I think the existing model, the physical church will continue to exist and will continue to be successful. I do think we need another model. Um, and I'm looking forward to seeing that model develop because
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:29:42 we need to do something else to reach other people. You can't cram everybody into this physical battle really fast to address that question. Um, and Randy said something about it earlier about how, um, online we have a unique opportunity to engage people more within the service. Um, so that's really, really made, um, my church to rethink the way that we do physical church as well, along with with, uh, the micro sites that we have and things like that. But, uh, three weeks ago we launched our very first, I'm going to loosely call it a millennial service, but we would never tell our people that. But, um, we tried to take what we've learned through micro sites and, um, the fact that we can engage people throughout the service online and see what that would look like to build a service around that type of community in person.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:30:25 Um, and it's been unreal how quickly the growth has happened. So this week alone, we, uh, we almost matched the amount that is in the regular auditorium within this new type of service. Um, it's, it's literally like table groups. Um, we do worship together, but like there's a break every 10 minutes and the sermon, Rhea four minutes of discussion about what you're talking about. A lot of other elements I'm not going to go into, but people were always going to create or crave community period. We are designed to have community regardless of your generation. Um, our job as, as leaders in this field though is to figure out ways that we can implement, um, strategies to, to reach different generations with community.
  
    
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  Jan Touchberry: 00:31:05 I will say, I think going back to the question about the strengths of church online. Sure. Um, we live in a society that has no margins anymore. There are, yes, we are planned to the Hill. You've, you've got most families who both parents work, they are without their children for nine 10 plus hours a day. They pick them up from wherever they are, soccer, school, daycare, whatever. They come home, they feed them, they maybe have an hour of time and then they're putting their kids to bed and traditional church is saying, Oh by the way, come to a life group or Oh by the way, come to this class at the church or Oh by the way, fill in the blank. And people are voting with their lack of presence. And so is it not our job as the church to give them the opportunity to still engage in biblical community, get the teaching and the discipleship and the knowledge that they need to live out Christian lives wherever they are for all of those hours a day. And should we not be looking at the digital space to do that because otherwise people are going to be missing it because they literally do not have the time.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:32:31 When I look at this question, when you're talking about leadership, pretty much the way that I would engage leadership in a conversation like this is to pick whatever century they happen to be familiar with. So no I don't mean that in a bad way. Like honestly, it's like, okay, if did, I asked him the question,
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:32:57 Um, you know, did you call your mom on mother's day? And then most of the time they'll say yes. And I'm like, did your mom feel slighted that you didn't show up in person? You know, because that's his, that's his century of technology he's probably familiar with. Right. Well she might be, she might be like, you didn't show up. Now it's showing up better. Absolutely. But does that keep me from calling her? No. And so it's no different than what we see in in second John, where he says, I'm writing you with pen and ink now, but I'm not going to write you everything because I want to come and visit you face to face so that our joy may be full. Well that didn't stop him from writing the letter. So he's not saying that, you know, everybody knows that face to face is better.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:33:44 Right? I'm not saying that it's not, but that can't stop us from doing something. Right. And that's if we're going to be so purist about it, then we're not going to do a lot of things. So if again, you know the guy that's like, if only your physical meeting works, ask him if he's ever prayed with someone over the phone. And if he has, well, did that count? You know, because you weren't physically together. And then there's this other passage in scripture where the apostle Paul says, I can't be with you but I'm with you in spirits. But what does that mean? We say that word all the time. And I honestly believe that the spiritual realm, the Holy spirit transcends time and space in ways that we don't understand. That's right. And if you've ever been online and prayed with someone online and ministered to someone online, that's across the world, you know exactly what I'm talking about because it transcends all of that. When you are connecting at that spiritual level and you know if you haven't experienced it it's hard to, it's hard to explain but sometimes if you pick the right generation or the right century of technology then they start to get it.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:34:56 I am going to shift a bunch of stuff cause I really want to have this question. I may come back the year is 2029 no, what is church online? Look I think one of the things that we don't think about a lot is that we are very young in what the digital world looks like. Like, like the shift of like that has been brought about through like social media and things like that is like this like seismic shift in our culture. Like um, I've heard a lot of people compare the internet to like the printing press and how it revolutionized the distribution of information. But I don't think that's big enough to describe what we're actually seeing. But we're actually seeing is like the cultural change that happened when written language was created. Like when we go from an oral culture to illiterate culture that transforms the way that we think about time, because we can record events that don't have to be communicated interpersonally.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:35:54 They can be recorded and they can last for centuries. It shifts the way that we think about relationships because we can communicate with people who don't live near us by writing them letters and things like that. So like the transformation that happened when we went from an oral culture to illiterate culture is I think very similar to the culture change that's happening that we see right now. And we are participants in a very, very young infancy of this change. And so when we look at 20, 29, that sounds like it's so far away that's 10 years away. But that is nothing in the amount of time it's gonna take to really live into what this new culture looks like. Um, and so I'm not really answering the question here, but, um, but I think that it's important for us to recognize the scale of this, that it's gonna take multiple, multiple decades. You know, I like, I'm thinking a hundred years from now, we might have a good grasp of what it means for us to exist within a physical and digital contexts simultaneously. And so until then, there's ticked off until,
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:36:55 yep. Who else?
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:37:02 Um, I th I don't know what it's gonna look like. Um, I didn't know what it would look like three years ago, but, uh, I believe that it'll be more important than we can imagine. Um, so looking back at an ax like five ish, um, so this is after Pentecost and like after everything is kind of going well, um, the first believers they would meet and, um, Solomon's Colonnade. And I think the verse says something along the lines of they would meet there and even though they were well-regarded, no one would dare meet with them. So what that tells me is that they used to meet someplace and even though they were well-regarded, once they started to grow, people resented them. Um, but then the Bible says right after that that, um, their numbers grew every single day. And so people didn't want to come join them, but still their numbers grew.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:37:50 And I feel like we live in a culture where we're consistently growing into this resentment face. Um, nothing that you see culturally would say, Hey, let's lift the church up. Anything you see that let's, let's resent them even more than eventually we're going to reach this state of persecution to where people would not dare join us in person, but because of our online avenues that are in the baby stages, um, that's going to be so much more important to help fulfill that part of, uh, of being added to daily. Um, we see in, uh, Jason, I'm sure you see it a lot more than I do yet go overseas already happened. That is what that is how the gospel is being fulfilled overseas is through the internet. Um, and I think that's coming here. Look what we're doing is so important because of that.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:38:36 I would be surprised if first off, you know, what the church, what does church online look like in 20, 29? I think it just looks like the church because it will just take over the church. Yeah. Because, um, I don't think that we'll be having these discussions in 2029 about church online because it will be the primary expression of church and the secondary expression is, Oh, when do you guys get together every now and then when's your meetup? That will be the question. Um, whereas that's what I think is going to be happening where we will be living in the online space that we already do anyway. We'll be living in the online space and our sense of identity belonging and family will be technologically leveraged that we will occasionally get together for meetups to have fun and parties and stuff like that. That won't be happening every Sunday. There'll be happening once a quarter, once a year. Kinda like how we're doing this gathering right now. And this is a lot of fun and I really enjoy it. And this is kind of, we are beta testing what I think the church will become because you were all in the Facebook group together. We all message each other in Slack and we all, you know, text each other and all that kind of stuff all throughout the year. And then we get together and give each other a hug. That's what church will be.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:39:51 Yeah. And here, here's the tension though, is we have to be okay with that. Um, yeah, we, we can't push back like we currently do. Um, there's so much resistance to church online. That's why there's like three questions about it in this panel. But, um, until we get to the point where we're okay with it, we will not be able to effectively do ministry moving forward. Well, I think they will become okay with it once it just dies. Yeah. It's gonna to be a hard process or it gets regulated out of existence. I mean like, let's, let's put some numbers on this just for kicks. Um, 325,000 evangelical churches in America today. That's rough. Maybe it's more than that. Um, arguably five to 10, maybe 12,000 are broadcasting each week. Like that's a massive transitionary shift because the majority are saying it's not acceptable. I agree with you, Jason.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:40:39 I just think it's going to be an ugly transition from 2019 to 2029 where that's not the standard. I've, I'm working with a pastor in a, and this is a true story, a pastor up in new England area and he is in the process. 1,000 person church, new England. He sees maybe 120 people a week. He's got this massive campus. Nobody comes there. Nine his numbers, he tells me 97.8% of the people in his area don't want to come to church. They don't even like church. There's a very strong bias against Christianity. He's in the process of wanting to sell off his buildings, wanting to go down to a completely digital micro-site model, set up a broadcast center somewhere to broadcast a message out and empower people. Not to come sit in a Pew, but to go out and to do church at in the homes.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:41:30 Like that's the model this guy has come up with entirely on his basically out of survival because if that doesn't happen he can't afford the mortgage and the maintenance on this facility and he's going to have to shut down and it's going to be a scary and I always hate to be the prophetic guy cause I'm really not, but it's going to be a scary transition in the next five to 10 years as we start to feel some of that persecution as we start to, Oh my gosh, church no longer has a tax exempt status. Oh man, we got to pay property tax and all these massive buildings and campuses like it's, there's going to be a world of pinch and the church is going to feel itself transitioning more and more to a digital expression of worship for that guy.
  
    
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  Participant: 00:42:10 You mentioned you're hitting directly on a 10 year window where by 2029 up to 40% of all jobs are going to be automated according to Oxford academia. Yep. That means the impact to the congregants is phenomenal. I mean, I can't get my head around what that looks like yet. Yes sir. Uh, last year, if you remember, we had David setup VR, our church DJ. Yes. Yup. DJ, he's uh, he was running, he was the pastor of my church and he went out on his own doing that. And I think that 20.9 the cost effectiveness and everything you're going to see, you'll be able to, instead of sitting here like we are right now, you'd be back in our offices all sitting your LinkedIn, same thing goes for great point.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:42:57 I think that to just speak into the regulations of the end people broadcasting and things like that, it really goes back to what is church. Um, because uh, like if, if, if in our definition of churches is really going out and being a witness for the gospel, doesn't matter if you can broadcast your service or not. If you can go out and use whatever tools available to spread the gospel, then like if they can regulate all they want with it, a broadcast, but you still have the gospel to fall back on. Um, but when we take our church online vision and make it all about a weekend service, we run the danger of being covered, becoming regulated.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:43:37 I think there's, so the world around us is already trying. They're working to figure out what it means to create community within an online context. I mean, that's what Facebook is on. So Twitter is Instagram. Snapchat ticked up even, even though I don't understand, tick-tock, Tinder's like, they're working, you start online to go onto like there, they're trying to figure this out. But like what, what terrifies me is that we, the church might say, we don't want to be a part of figuring out what the, what Christian community looks like. Like we don't want to be a part of shaping community within an online context. And that's like the resistance that I feel right now we're saying we don't think it can happen. So we're not going to do it, but the world is going to do it. Right. And so are we going to be voices in that shaping of what community is within an online context? And I think we have to drop the mic. Yeah, yeah. We're questions. I mean at this point, open it up. Yeah, you can please.
  
    
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  Daniel Merida: 00:44:39 Oh, um, I'm Daniel Merida. I lead a totally online, a youth led church, um, in robotics, yes. In roadblocks, which is a virtual video game platform. So we're totally online and entirely young people. So to answer your question about engaging and gen Z and millennials and what the church might look like, I think as one of the few gen Z people here, um, part of what we do online is focusing on reaching people where they're at. And I think that's something that you guys have voice, um, is really important. Uh, but as we, uh, there's so many churches out with that. Like in my denomination, I'm a part of the Presbyterian church and we are the nomination. I can't think of a single church that broadcasts those services like, um, and the denomination. We just, there's no, uh, no pressure or like encouragement to go online.
  
    
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  Daniel Merida: 00:45:43 So I think a lot of the churches that are going online right now are churches that, um, don't necessarily have as a nomination as supporting them like financially or a, uh, are losing members rapidly. And I think a part of this, like in a lot of your churches, I'm assuming that you're losing members in general or losing the young members. Um, and I think a big portion of this and you guys said too was meeting people where they're at. Um, and not just going on Facebook and live streaming your services there because young people aren't on Facebook, right? Um, some people, some younger people are leaving Instagram, um, like the church is so slow to reach like where people are at. They don't even know where people are. You have people on Snapchat and they're on Hamas. They take doc, younger people talk. There really are millions and millions. Yeah. Um, things like fortnight, like I don't know if there's no churches there, but like they've, I mean history were to like somehow reach out to them and like there's just these major platforms that are high was for young people and finding ways to uh, you know, rich people there and not even like, like necessarily do ministry there. But if you're trying to market your church or like get people to find out and come out in person or whatever it looks like, just actually having a presence on different platforms I think is incredibly important.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:47:11 Yeah, I think that there is an interesting opportunity if you look at church not as the one hour on Sunday and you can have a, a existing ministry that it exists on platforms like tick tock, but the goal of being on tick tock isn't to drive them to a church service, virtual or physical. That platform literally restricts that type of communication. And so because it's designed to keep it within, so you're on tic talk, you're engaging with young people to build a relational connection with them, to drive them into a discipleship disciple-making forming relationship. And this has nothing to do with a service, but it has everything to do with impacting a life so that it can in turn impact another life. And that's where, honestly, when I look at the next 10 15 years, 20 years of what church and what church online is, the digital expression of this is going to be much more relational.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:48:08 The strength of online, at least in my opinion, is not the broadcast of the service. Billy Graham in the nineties broadcasts at a service, bounced it off 34 satellites, and literally one message was heard by a billion people across the world. That was 30 years ago, 20 years ago, whatever the math is, 90 cents 30 right? Yeah. 30 we're there. I appreciate the lap. Thank you. So I mean, I was 30 years ago, right? And he managed to, to do it, getting a, a broadcast around the world. That's old news. Uh, being able to relationally connect with somebody on another continent to the point that he's now impacting people in, are spreading out and doing things and impacting the gospel in different ways. That's far more attractive. And at least to me and context of what the church can be. Well I'll tell you what. Yeah, so like I just want to open up for questions.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:48:58 So what do you got, do you think in 2029 the church format will look less like a plan service and a, you know, we're doing this and we a lot of people moving parts and doing this and more like a free form, you know, 10 minute, 20 minute yeah. Locks the time throughout the weekend and around. I, I personally an outlet. Others answer in a sec. I personally think the existing model of church will continue. I think there's going to be a new model that will come forward. I think you need both models to reach different people. There is a generation, there is a type, there's a personality that will not connect to a big building as much as this underlying thing that we're talking about now. Any it guys have an opinion on that?
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:49:43 Well we've, you know, for a lot of us O G people who've been doing it for the past 10 years, you know, that's a 10 year Mark. You saying, what does the next 10 years ago when we started 10 years ago, nobody even knew when we were doing it. And it was just like, you do what, 10 years later, they still don't know what you're doing. 10 years later, 10 years later, people are like, Oh yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, no big deal. It's ubiquitous, but it's on the verge of becoming the preferred method of doing church. That's the difference. And where before it was like, Oh, this is a cool option for like fringe cases 10 years ago. Now it's become very commonplace where it's like if you don't have an online presence or something like that, you're a little bit backwards. Or maybe Luddite, I don't know. But some whatever that is. Yeah. It's like, well why not? You know? But because now it's shifting into the preferred method and what, and that's why I feel like it will in 10 years become the primary expression of church. Any other questions?
  
    
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  Daniel Merida: 00:50:48 Just pick one more comment quick. Um, I just wanted to encourage everyone, I'm sure we'll talk about it more, but doing ministry online when you're reaching people is so much cheaper, so much cheaper. Um, for example, in my church we reach 24,000 young people, 70 countries I've been doing for eight years. For in the first six years, our annual budget was less than $350 a year. I mean, there was no personnel, but like the total operating costs was so little. So I just wanna encourage you guys with that. It's a big, like it's a, it's a lot of work but it can be done and it's,
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:51:28 yeah. Don't, don't let your, uh, your financial person talk you out and say it's too expensive. Push back on that. Yes, ma'am.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:51:35 Curious what you guys think the role of privacy insecurity will play into the 2029 church and you all want to take a crack? Well, I think, okay, like let's say future future. It wouldn't surprise me if we all just end up with some kind of blockchain identity so that, um, it becomes less of a, of a factor altogether because everybody is going to be known and they want to be. Um, the problem is today people are creeped out by all of the weird marketing and the ugly side of identity when in all reality, if you're going to advertise to me, I would rather have a targeted advertisement anyway to advertise to me about something I care about. Not all this stuff that I don't like, don't give me a Victoria's secret. It's like, I don't care about that, you know, or at least I showed it.
  
    
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  Jason Morris: 00:52:34 so the, the point, the point I'm making is, is that I believe that we will have this ubiquitous identity that will translate across the social fabric of which we live. And by that everyone will be known all the time and everyone will be okay with it. The point where the digital natives of gen Z, they're on all these platforms and they understand how to manage their privacy much better than their parents do. And so, um, the awareness of the digital native toward their own personal privacy is much more acute than what we're used to and where the shot comes for us, I don't think it's gonna be the case in the generation to come because it'll just be a part of life.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:53:23 I've never seen a gen Z or millennial person posts like copy and paste this because Facebook's changing their privacy. It'll be 1399 tomorrow. That doesn't happen real. One sec. The a, the power is not in a broadcast out. The power is in individual and so a lot of times the privacy issue in the future, I don't think it's going to be a problem because I think it's, I'm having a conversation with a friend. Lifeway research tells us this right now, 63% of people are not interested in coming to your building. Just in the same way, honestly, that I'm probably not interested in going to a mosque. I already have my spiritual identity formated I know what I think I know and I'm living my life that way. The majority of people already feel that way. 80% of people will have a conversation about their faith with their friends, if they see that their faith is important to their friends. And so the empowering of others to have those conversations is where we are going. We are already transitioning today and I think that's just going to continue on in the future. Yes sir. Yeah, go ahead Daniel.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:54:42 Kesha song for like 2007 it's kind of catchy, but yeah, don't like say you like it, but it's super fast. To be honest. Sometimes some of this stuff is a distraction and so I don't think, and I'm all about, and I encouraged churches to be innovative, but I don't think that the goal is not to be innovative, to be on every platform to do that. Um, the goal is to find where your ministry are, where your people are, where your audience is and reach that. Now in the context of of your physical church, if the goal is to get people who are already connected to your church, engaged in the physical building and a church growth model, you're going to hit the Facebooks and a and that because that's where they are and and the other Daniel behind you situation, he knows where his platform is.
  
    
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  Tyler Samson: 00:55:34 It's roadblocks and he and he's building within in that context, maybe you're a church that actually has a vision towards reaching a YouTube Andy community of YouTubers that's exists. Well then I want to engage in dive in and own that, that area we were talking earlier about a VR church DJ Soto's a question in the back there is five or six VR platforms and in DJ's mission he treats every one of those VR platforms like a multisite campus. And so he has an, I don't even know what the names are cause I don't do VR, but he's in like this primary one and then he's over here and then he's over here and then somebody else spins up another VR platform and he's recruiting and building up teams to like expand into that other area, almost like a multisite campus expressing the church differently. Um, I, you hone in with what your audience is and you figure out where they are and then you empower them to reach people from a discipleship standpoint in those areas. Once again, it's less important what you, and we live in this social media age. This is truth. It's less important with what your organization says about itself. And it's far more important about what others say about you. The power is in others going out rather than you broadcasting your single message
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 So how are we going to market Church Online? That's the question I wanted to ask in Episode 31 of The Church Digital Podcast and to that end I brought in Communication Specialist, Jennifer Miles, to help us figure out what the answer to that question was. And while the answer she gave us was probably the one we needed, maybe it wasn't the one that we deserved, but ultimately it was definitely necessary to hear, okay, set aside the whole Dark Night DC reference. I'm really much more of a Marvel guy. But at the end of this, Jennifer's answer to that question, how do we market Church Online, cuts to the core of what church online could be and should be to really get to the power, to the heart, to the soul of what church online is and therefore created an interview, a conversation that you listening audience definitely need to hear. So I present for this conversation, Communication Specialists, guru, all knowing, Jennifer Miles to the conversation and myself, Jeff Reed, from The Church.Digital in a conversation that I'm calling the Marketing of Church Online. Everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 01:06 I'm Jennifer Miles. I work for Faith Life. I'm a Project Manager for their church products organization and I work on upcoming features and supporting the content for those, and then also work on user ed guides and what's the purpose of our products. In addition to that, I am wrapping up my Doctorate at Portland Seminary and that is a, no one ever knows how to say it. I'm doing a doctorate in Semiotics, which is essentially the study of signs and symbols and how things get there meaning. Signs and symbols are not just signs and symbols, they're words, they're images. So a lot of it is like how does the church get its meaning and how do we talk about meaning in the church? Worked at Church Online at Life.Church for about four years, consulted with about 70 church onlines for four years and helping them with their marketing strategy, their social media strategy, and then their discipleship strategy. So that's kind of a little bit of who I am.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 04:16 So I ended up signing up for the program thinking, Oh this is going to help my communications world. I'm going to better understand theology in a digital space and really learn from this person who was probably 10-15 years ahead of everybody else and he completely rocked my world. I closed my marketing business. I got to this point where I was struggling morally, ethically on his marketing church online the way that we do it today effective one. Is it a wise use of our resources too? And are there better ways for us to connect? Like if the point of the gospel is to share Jesus and to build disciples is marketing doing that? And I actually ended up closing my business and throughout this course of this program I changed to wanting to really understand what does it look like to disciple people in a digital age. If people are spending more time online or building more relationships through what we're doing right now, right? This digital conversation. And then bringing that face to face sometimes. How do you disciple people, right? If discipleship. So what's your definition of discipleship, Jeff?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:31 A disciple, me and I know we've had this conversation on the podcast. Discipleship has many meanings and so different people interpret it differently, which causes mass confusion, discipleship how we've interpreted typically on the show and me at a personal level would be, building a relationship with someone and empowering them with the gospel to the level that they can turn around and do the same thing to someone else. A disciple is someone who literally makes another disciple. And so it's, it's that, that relationship between person A and person B to the point that person B can now replicate that with person C.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 06:13 Yeah. So there's a few things there, right? It's the relationship and the replication. Right? And as I was doing all this marketing for church online, I realized what I was really doing was I was bringing in consumers to be consumers. And it then became very difficult to turn consumers into contributors in the church online space because they think very differently. And so my whole mindset shift and I realized that what I really was doing online was I was trying to find a way to build relationship and then through those relationships, replicate what I believed and how I lived or how whatever the churches I was working with were what they believed in, how they transferred the gospel. And what was happening was we were doing all these ads and we were getting people in, but then we didn't have a solid discipleship program for them. And so we were just throwing money at the front end and there wasn't a lot of return at the backend. And so I ended up closing my marketing business and now I'm focusing really on the, what do we do as the next step? And a lot of the churches I talked to that is the thing they struggle with. We have a lot of really good church marketers out there, but we were struggling with what do we do when we get these people in? How do we convert them from consumer to contributor?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:31 Yeah. And that's arguably, I mean that's a big C church wide issue and we'll get there in a second. But I want to dive into this because I can relate a little bit to this of where I walked away from a church environment of, from a church staff 15 plus years, a full time church staff, 25 if you can count high level volunteers and volunteer board of directors, elders like, just crazy stuff. But yeah. But I really felt the calling to kind of leave that and do something else. And so there was, that made me an emotional wreck and there was, you know, ups and downs, seasons of that. Tell me a little bit about that story of when you realized, Hey, you know what? I want to maybe walk away from the church marketing thing, walk away from this business and instead try to do something that's more driven, more focused towards discipleship. What was God doing in your life?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 08:30 Well, there was a lot going on at the time. From 2014 to 2018, my family and I actually traveled the country in an RV. And so we had a lot more flexibility than a lot of people. Like a lot of people, they have a business and that business pays their bills. They like, they need it. Right. I didn't need it. For me, church marketing was something I enjoyed. And so it came down to this point, what that I sat there and I spent some time talking to my husband and some friends and some other church online pastors that I'd become really close to. I was like, I have a heart issue with this. And just from a moral perspective, if I'm following Jesus, I can't continue to do something that I now think is wrong and so for me it was a really simple decision.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 09:21 It was, I didn't need it for the money. I could find another way to make money. I've always been able to change my businesses and do that or get a job, which is what I did. I went to work for Faithlife. I would say I didn't really struggle much with it. The problem I'm having now is I struggle with the, we have to change the way we do discipleship. And that's the message that people are struggling with. Not the church marketing thing because so many churches are ready who are struggling with church marketing. I kind of joined the mainstream when I said I didn't want to do that anymore. It was the moving to discipleship that was no longer than mainstream. It was a Sunday service isn't the way you disciple people. Expecting them to come to your building isn't the way you disciple people.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 10:07 Right? Like that became the message that now I'm going to get pushed back on. So, and I've really struggled with that part. I have a few friends that I talk to regularly about am I still following the Bible? Am I still following Jesus or am I now something that I have to worry about and I have, I become a heretic and saying, these things aren't what our society says they are. Right? Like how do you handle that part of it? And I still struggle with it. For me too, I'm also a female, right? And so a female in the ministry world is, I'm, as I'm sitting here talking about discipleship, well, I've already got it depending on the denomination, some strikes against me. So that's the stuff I struggle with is, am I doing what God is calling me to do? Where do I fit in the ministry perspective if I go forward with some of the discipleship stuff I'm doing, is that okay? Not the, can I close my business? That's stuff wasn't the hard part at all.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:03 Hey, this is the thing that I struggle with. Let me say it this way. This is what I struggle with. Okay. I hesitate and then some of the things that I'm doing that I'm talking about because I'm the, I don't want to say I'm the only one saying it, but it's by far the minority.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 11:19 Right? It feels like you're the only one saying it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:21 You know? And it's like, I have people, and this is completely off topic, but I have people all the time coming to me and asking me, Hey Jeff, when are you going to plant a church completely online and A - like, I'm not even sure, like that's theological cause the whole abandoning community and enrollments. And so like there's still there's some of that that I'm wrestling with.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:46 And if I did, it would be planning more towards like a micro model where there would still be physical, but it's like I just have this fear of, I'm okay, being the first. If God tells me go, you know, and, and I read an Acts where, you know, some of the, the early church where they were doing things and the early church would literally say, should we listen to God or should we listen to you Sadducees? Who do you think we're going to listen to? We're going to listen to God. And it's funny, like when I have these conversations, just that at a personal level we don't like, Hey God, where are you? Where are you leading me right now? I don't hear yes, I don't hear no. I, it's funny, I've heard wait and so it's funny, I'm like, wait for what?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:33 You know, like what are you waiting for? And it's just, it's wait, you know, trying to find that, I guess in God's right time and things. Personally, I'm a little bit like Moses where, Hey, can I have, can I have somebody? Oh, you want to give me Aaron? Cool. Give me an Aaron. Give me somebody to come along this journey with me. That would be awesome. But yeah, but short of that, it's scary when, when you feel God leading you down a road and like it's unpaved, it's untried. Nobody's gone down there before. So man, I just, I can totally relate to this idea of just walking away from the business, trying to do things. You, you've got this established but God's leading you somewhere else. And should you listen to the Sadducees or should you follow God, who do you think we're going to go after.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 13:23 Right. Well, and at this point it's, I'm going to follow God and I have no idea where he's taking me. And that's okay. So it'll work it out over time.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:32 That's awesome. Well done. So Jennifer, tell me this, help me connect the dots here cause you've got, cause what you're saying is that you know, you want to focus more on discipleship because you no longer one a focus on marketing and you're implying that, you know, discipleship is the solution to marketing. So connect the dots here, tie that in. Help me understand a little bit how a discipleship is really the solution for marketing online.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 14:01 Yeah. So when you do marketing online, there's a few different ways to do it, right? We have Google ads, we have Facebook ads, we can do display ads, we can do YouTube ads. Like there's all these opportunities. One of the things that's happened in the last few years. If you follow kind of the marketing trends at all in the church, a lot of people started with Google ads, with the nonprofit program. And those provided you search ads. You couldn't do retargeting ads with that, and then you could do, but you could do Facebook ads and you could retarget people with Facebook ads. And so that strategy played really well where you started with search ads and people looking for felt needs and then you retargeted them if they showed up on a page using Facebook. Well, over time what has happened is Google now doesn't allow you to retarget at all any website that has Christian content or religious content in general, there's actually a few categories. They don't let you retarget.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:53 Wait, really? I had no idea. You can't retarget a church website anymore?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 15:00 For Google, correct. And that's been about two and a half years now. So, but you could continue to retarget on Facebook, which has been great, but about a year, year and a half ago with the kind of the fallout from their issues, they changed a lot of their targeting abilities. So you could no longer target, pastors, you could no longer target based on, like self-identification categories. So like they removed 70% of the targeting that was helpful for the church. And so what was happening was you were spending all this money and you were really marketing to other Christians. You weren't marketing to people who weren't Christian.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 15:50 And so it became much more difficult to target the people that were really called to go out too and so that's when I really started thinking about it. And if you think about it, God called us to go and make disciples, right? It's, he called each one of us to go and have relationships. And when you think about how people do invites, I would, I used to do ads for like Easter and Christmas. Of course, every church wants Easter and Christmas ads. One, they're extremely expensive during that season, I would watch my ads go from like 27 cents a click to like $4.50 cents a click. Wow. Because you're now competing. Not only are you competing with every other church in the US who wants to get on the bandwagon, you're also competing with every business who's marketing for black Friday, for Christmas sales, right? So you're, it's just, they flooded the inventory and whoever wins the bid is the one who gets it.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 16:37 So it becomes extremely cost prohibitive. If all you're doing is getting a click and okay, let's say one person clicks, you now need, I dunno, a hundred people to click in order to get one person to attend your service, and so you're spending $40 to get one person to attend the service. Whereas I can say, Hey, my people who are my members, you have a mission to go out and make disciples. What can I do to enable you to do that? Can I help you have conversations with people in your workplace, with people that you meet on a day to day basis? You invite people like changing your cover photo is super easy and it's free and that is actually more effective than an ad. And so when you talk, and the same thing holds true for the physical church, right? When when you say, Hey, we're going to have our Christmas service, do know door knockers? They work.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 17:32 But you can also say, Hey people invite people. And if have you looked at those surveys where they talk about how do people come to church? Is it a Google ad, a Facebook ad, a mailer, right? What is the number one most effective thing? It's a personal invite and it's like a 75% effective rate versus like a 5% effective rate. And so when we talk about what does it look like to shift from a marketing model to a discipleship model, it's instead of me doing all these cold ads, now I'm going to focus on empowering my people to talk to other people and invite people. And when you do it that way, you could now come back and support it with ads. I can do remarketing ads and if someone has invited someone than they show up to the my church slash Christmas page, I can remarket the Christmas page and now someone got a personal invite and they're getting a reminder on their Facebook page.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 18:27 Hey, Joe invited me to Christmas. You don't put a name in there, right? But we'd love to see you. And so now I'm, I'm doing it the opposite direction. Instead of trying to get cold people in the door of, Oh, we should probably talk about cold, warm, hot for your audience. So a cold audience or a cold ad is someone who has no connection with you, who doesn't know you, who you have not established trust with. A warm audience is someone who has heard you, who has seen some of your content, who is beginning to understand who you are and you have a little bit of trust equity with. A hot audience is someone who is sold out for you is they will pretty much do whatever you ask them to do. They are your cheerleader. And so when you start looking at ads, is this cold, warm, hot? Cold ads are expensive. Sometimes it depends. and their, their effectiveness isn't great. But when you start looking at it and say, I want my hot people to invite people and then you target the people they've invited, those people have moved from cold to warm cause they have a personal stake now they have a personal connection and so now you can retarget these warm people. And so it's shifting the paradigm and instead of going cold, warm, hot, it's going hot, warm. And you kind of skip cold.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 19:44 And it sounds weird when you talk about it, cause I'm just, I'm trying to reach people who aren't Christian. I want all these cold people. Well you do, but if you're talking about limited resources, you want to empower your people to reach people and you want to come behind them and support their effort. That's where I've really switched my mentality at this point.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:05 Yeah, there's a, there's research that actually backs you up, Jennifer on this and we talk about this stat a lot. Lifeway 2016, did a report that, Oh man, I'm blanking on the exact number. I want to say it was 63%, 62 or 63% of people do not want to come to your church building. They are, they're just, they're not interested in, in the same, the way that I'm really not interested in going to a mosque. I've made a decision in my life of how things are going spiritually. And yeah, most people have, but 80% of people will have a conversation about faith with their friends. And so empowering your friends, empowering members and the attenders of your church to go into these discipleship level conversations, these gospel grounded conversations. and if the end game is, Hey, this is important to me, let me invite you to the church building.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:01 If it's even to the level of, let me share the gospel with you one on one individually. You know, that's the effective way of doing marketing right now. Like, even even to the point where, we had Seth Muse on, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago, it's been awhile and I'm blanking on the name of his church in Dallas where he's at. But yeah, they did a, they did a survey. and where they found that the physical invites that, that people have, that people that the church has, that they hand out. Seth was saying that people weren't picking them up anymore and they were just throwing away the physical invites. And so yeah, the church thought, man, we've got a major issue with an invite culture here. Our people are not inviting into church and this is a problem.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:51 What they did was they ended up doing a, a survey to see, and one of the questions was how do you invite people? And what they discovered was that the physical invites weren't effective, digital, graphics, you know, as share your point. Changing that, that that profile photo or the timeline photo and Facebook or whatever. Like those were the things that the church was doing eight times out of 10. And so while the church was looking at, okay, we have an invite issue because nobody's picking up the print assets. Yeah. The digital assets where we're blowing out the door and we're getting a far more exposure and the church just wasn't looking in the right way. So like this is great. And this idea of how, we can shift our focus away from, you know, writing a check to like a Google organization or a Facebook, to just cast the, and what's the parable of the cat? You, you're the walking PhD. I'm a lowly undergrad, but you know, the casting the seeds, right? None of them are going to bounce off, you know, thorns and Rocky and a couple hit the soil by going through this discipleship level conversations, right? By going through something here, you're able to fine tune where those seeds are landing, landing in at least making sure that you're throwing in the right direction, staying away from, from the Rocky path.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 23:21 Well. And the other thing that really convicted me when I was talking about, you know, cold ads, warm ads, it's when you look at the Pew research surveys that the recent ones, there's one, is it Pew or Barna? No, it was Barna that more than 70% of the U S associates as Christian. Like they self identify as Christian. Yeah. But only 35% actually do anything roughly 35% actually do anything that the church would consider a Christian behavior. Yeah. And so me doing cold ads, people already know what Christianity is in theory. They're looking for a relationship. They're looking for a community. I don't mean to say come to my church there at cold ad. What I need is someone to say, Hey, I go here. Will you come with me? Right. It's, they already know we're not introducing some new concept to them. They've made a decision not to go. The question is why have they made the decision not to go? And so that's the thing we have to look at and address.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:24 So how do, how do we do that? How do we have, how do we have that level of a conversation with someone?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 24:32 Right? Well, and that's, that's where the, we have a lot of different things happening today in the church, right? The church is becoming known for what they're against versus what they're for. And so more people are stepping up for that. We have a lot of people who have been hurt by the church and so they're leaving for that. And so honestly, it's again focusing on our people, teaching our people what the gospel says, teaching them how to live and how to act out the gospel on their daily life, right? It's not just the hour you're there on Sunday and the hour you're there on Wednesday, it's 24/7. And then when you equip people with this, this is how you can talk about the gospel comfortably. You start kind of regaining that trust again with people who have left. It's, they need to see people who live out the gospel in a way that not, I don't want to say as comfortable, but as honest and is authentic. And not just, I went on Sunday and I feel better. I mean that's the thing. So when we were, when we were traveling the world or traveling the country, we do what we called campfire church. And so we also had coffee church, but it was every weekend we would be with any number of families. It could be two families, it could be 40 families on the, in the wintertime it was almost 40 families for the whole winter.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 25:49 And we would do Sunday service together as a group. And the people who are not entirely comfortable with their faith wouldn't go to it. Right. Because it was, you have your worship music, you have your sermon. It made them a little uncomfortable. And so my husband and I did a campfire church and what that was, and we didn't call it that, but that's in our mind, that's what it was, right. Is we just invited people to come to the campfire. We were there almost every night. It's like, if you have questions, we'd like to get to know you. And it wasn't about you have to talk about faith with us. They knew we were Christian, they knew where we stood. But we had a lot of these conversations with people where I've left the church and I don't know if I'll ever go back. And so you'd have conversations.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 26:33 Why did you leave? What would bring you back? I mean, do you see yourself ever going back or is your faith stronger or weaker today? And a lot of them actually, their faith was stronger because they left. So like what does that tell us about the church? I mean that we'd also have these conversations and they would say, you know, you're one of the few Christians we've talked to that didn't immediately condemn us. Again. What does that tell you is that we have this perception issue right now. Yeah. So that's much bigger than marketing. That's we have to work on hearts. We have to work on how do you talk about your faith? Even understanding faith, right? When you look at, there's a website called theology on the web and they do, they show the results of the system. I don't want to say systematic theology, that's not really it.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 27:20 But when we talk about statements of faith and like, you know, is there a Trinity? Is there, is Jesus Christ human or God? Like when you go, when you look at this theology on the web and there's, I think there's 60 to 80 questions and it's a survey of where do people stand as far as biblical sound theology. We're not doing so hot. Right? And so you have to teach your people what does the Bible really say? For me personally, I'm at a point where I'm understanding that digital has changed the way we do things, the way we learn, the way we remember things. we don't read anymore like we used to. And when we do read, we're so distracted we don't comprehend. There's an organization, it's a really long name. I think it's NAACP that does the, reading the literacy tests around the world.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 28:19 And they do it about every 10 years. And what they have found is that in the United States, only 49% of people actually have the literacy and comprehension rate to understand what they're reading too, summarize it and to assimilate it into their belief system. Wow. So if you talk about that, I mean 49% of the US is unable to read the Bible and comprehend it and we are expecting that's how people learn. You go on Sunday and then you read your Bible. Well, if only one in two people can do that. We're missing a huge part of our market. Right? And so when we then talk about, well digital enables us to do that, right? It's video, it's story. And so this is where like I've talked a little bit with you about this Bible telling organization that I'm going to in October and Bible telling, there's a few different organizations that do that and essentially most of them do international missions where they have created a story set of the Bible.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 29:21 Crew and Story Runners is the one that I first worked with and they have 48 stories that they literally have put together and it teaches the entire gospel from creation to revelation. Each story is two minutes long and it really helps build a Christian worldview when you are going in to another country that doesn't have a written word and they then teach these stories and then they build, basically it's micro churches, right? It's our model of house church, if you will, where it's, they have these 10 to 12 people once you get to like 14 split and do it again. And it's been extremely effective overseas. We haven't done a lot of that in the U S and where I am right now. I'm like, I would love to know my Bible better. I mean, I've read the Bible, but it's not necessarily, I mean, I think if I'm honest and I think of other people are honest to like you read the Bible, but you don't always know how to bring it into your life.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 30:19 You don't know how to make it relevant for today. You don't know how to share it with people. Right. And oftentimes you'll sit there and I have a horrible memory so I can never remember verse, chapter, book. I was like, well there's this place that it talks about this thing. Right. And one of the things that's really great about Bible storying is that you don't have to remember where it is. You just get to tell the story. It's been really interesting. my husband and I did the story runners class a few years ago and right. You'd think I know the Bible really well. I could recall it on memory. I have all these years of experience. I can't, my husband grew up Catholic and the Catholic church, you typically don't read the Bible really well or frequently you'd rely on someone else to share it with you.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 31:03 And so he doesn't have the background that I have. When we did this story runners class, it was amazing cause he came alive. He was like, this is the first time I've heard the gospel in a way that I connect with that I can relate to like it was living. And then when you start having that conversation, he goes, there are times where I'll be sitting with a coworker and they'll share something with me. And I'll remember from four years ago this one random story where we talked about, you know, like the woman at the well and it applies to the situation. So I can share this story in a really non-confrontational way. And I'm not like, well, you know, in the New Testament Jesus went on this trip and he talks about this thing with this woman. It's just like, Hey, can I tell you a story?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 31:46 Like it's from my Bible, but I just want to share, I think this might apply to you. And it's a very low key way to share what you believe. And the more stories you learn, the more you start to understand how they impact your own life and then how you can share them with others without feeling like you're prostolizing. Like it's a very different mentality that we've experienced in the last few years and campfire churches, the thing that really let us down that path and the feedback we've gotten from people who have felt, condemned by other Christians has been really positive because we've changed the way we frame the scripture. It's now living. It's now story versus this law that I'm sharing with you. Does that make sense?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:34 Oh, totally. But it takes in, let me ask this, it takes a lot of transparency on your end to do that, right? I mean there's a lot of vulnerability that, that, that's involved in that, right? How does, like, how long does it take to, to learn a story? Is it just memorization? Like what, what does that process look like?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:47 That's great. So you're sharing, you're having these conversations. Are you coaching at the same time where you're helping the person, okay, so here's what the story means and you're helping them apply to their life? Are you trusting that God's doing that on their own? Like what is landing the plane kind of look like?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 35:08 Oh, so here's the, so when you start doing Bible telling again, there's a wide range of, Oh no, you have to tell them what it means. And they've kind of, it's interesting because I think people who started that way have backed off a little bit. They've realized that what you think is really important in the story, it may not be what they think is really important in the story. And so they go through this model, of like, you know, what do you, what do you learn about God? What do you learn about man? How can you apply this to your life? Like you lead through conversation, but you're not telling them what it means. People are pretty smart and people are pretty intuitive. You don't have to tell them the point of the story. And I think they also get start to think they think about it, right?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 35:49 And so they're having to interact. They're having to internalize what they're hearing versus being told. When you tell someone it stays superficial. They don't really have to interact with the narrative. When you ask them to interact with it and tell them, you ask them what they're getting out of it. They not have to interact. They have to put it into the narrative in their head that already exists, their world view. And then they have to decide this, this meet up. Does this align with what I already believe? Does this change what I already believe? And then they have to figure out how does it change it, right? And so it's, yeah, I don't tell them what it, what it means. It's like, what do you think it means? What's your background? It's going to change based on what that is.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:30 I mean, it's, well, you're, you're, you're trusting God in those moments, right? Where it's, it's, Hey, let God rule in this and help the person apply how it can and going out on faith with that. That's some powerful stuff.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 36:45 Right? Well, and I mean, I can't do it. That's, that's what the whole experience for. So a lot of the pushback I get when I talk to pastors about this is they do they worry about, well, don't I need to tell them what it means? Like how do I know that they're going to keep it, scripturally accurate and they're not gonna then change the story and do something different with it. And I've gotten to the point where, or my response is like, I'm pretty sure that God can keep a story biblically accurate. If the Bible was passed down for how long orally and the Holy Spirit was able to maintain its integrity, I think it's okay to do one or two stories and allow the Holy Spirit to work in that. He's, he's got this.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 37:44 Yeah, for me, the big thing is we have an amazing platform to share the gospel with people online. And like I follow a lot of churches digitally and some of them have church online, some don't. But my definition of church online is honestly any form of digital ministry at this point is I feel that the church is two or three people, that can happen in a structured church online or that can happen in a very, just a small conversation. Right. And so for me, if you are, if you are trying to figure out how to share the gospel as a church or as an individual starting these stories that you know, your friends are asking questions about and then just posting them like literally, it's like, here's a two minute video that I just threw up on YouTube that Hey, I want to share a story with you today.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 38:29 I'm learning this thing and you can be transparent and say, I'm trying to understand my faith better. And so I'm learning how to these stories. And that by itself is a way to engage online in a way, and I'm going to sound really bad and I'm sorry I'm going to say this, but Hey, which coffee is your favorite? Right? You know, the, the images where it's like pick one through eight, which coffee's your favorite or the, so it's a meaningful way to get people engaged with the scripture versus just doing something for engagement.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 41:35 Yeah. Well I think there's probably, let's say three things you should do, right? Well, the first one is understand your cold, warm, hot so you understand who you really are trying to market to. The second is you have the ability to set up your website to do remarketing. If you're going to do ads, focus on that first. And so set up your, set up your pages so you can remarket, build Facebook campaigns around remarketing and be really strategic about it. If someone goes to your nursery page, do remarketing ads about the nursery. Don't just do these broad ads. And so it's okay to do ads, just do them appropriately. Do it only for people who are warm or who are hot. So, and the third thing is, now that we've talked about this, this cold, warm, hot, and who is our audience?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 42:26 And now we're going to start remarketing people who are coming to our pages for certain things. How do we get more people to interact into the community? So now it's that discipleship track, right? Like how do we talk about the events we're having? It's the three steps. How do we talk about the, the events we're having and getting people to invite and making pages. You as the communications director, making pages that share the information appropriately that your congregation will feel comfortable sharing. So here's my invite page for Christmas. Here's all the things you need to know, right? What time are the services? Where do I park? What activities are going to be available? What can I expect when I get there? What service should I go to? Maybe you have a service that's really busy versus a service. It's not like, what do I expect for my kids? It's that kind of thing. It's more than just their ads out there. It's all the work that comes before that that you need to really work on.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 43:17 Fine tuning the, the marketing, you know, empowering some people around you to start to carry some of that messages as well and get out there and connect with people, utilizing some of the digital assets, to connect with at a personal level. Do that share but also do a personal follow up, share that digital file but also, you know, message it may be directly to or text them so that there's a, a personal touch as well. All of a sudden you can start to see stickiness to it. You can see some, some of that the marketing that you are doing, is it starting to go towards more of a warmer audience instead one that's so cold. So that's some great stuff. How was it, and this is off topic and maybe this will come back around with something, but how was it been under Leonard Sweet for four years?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 44:29 Yeah. He's at several different seminaries. I think Duke is another one and I think there's another one as well. yeah cause the, the one at Portland Seminary, they only accept 15 students a year into, he keeps his cohort really small. I never knew where he was going to go next. So his breadth of knowledge, his insight into things is just unbelievable. And he doesn't just use, like there were times where we'd be sitting in his, because one of the cohorts ever is his house. And so we were sitting in his house watching music videos from YouTube. I mean that's not something you'd expect from him, but he's like, yeah, let's look at, what's the number one, like Spanish, it's the Despasito. But we're sitting there watching YouTube videos, talking about the semiotics of these YouTube videos and what we can learn for the church.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 45:25 We're watching movies that are, you know, not faith-based at all. And probably in some ways most Christians would be like, well, how would you watch that? And it's like, what can we learn? What are the semiotics of this telling us and how do you apply it to the church? Or we look at these, paintings from, you know, a hundred years ago, do you want two years ago, 300 years ago. Okay, now what is this telling us about what these people believe in their faith? So I ended up having much more respect for like when you go into an old cathedral and all the images on the wall, and if you actually follow them, they tell the story of the church. They tell the story of that particular community. And it's like things you'd never think about until you really stop and are asked to. Let's dig deeper in this.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 46:11 So, his knowledge, like I, as we were, as I was learning under him, one of the things that I really learned to love was like the Jewish culture and the Jewish history and how much that impacts what we read in the Bible. I don't know. I didn't think about that before. I mean, right. I've been a Christian for 20 years, but it wasn't until he was like, okay, let's stop and really think about like, what does it mean to go through the Shepherd's gate? What does it mean to like be a rabbi? What does it mean? Like all these questions you don't even think about until you start looking at the historical perspective of where Jesus grew up and Jesus lived in that faith community. So if you have a chance to do it, I recommend it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 46:55 Wow. I don't, I seriously, I don't think I'm smart enough. I remember like when it, when I, I was, I was at a college and, I was reading, I read it like my senior year and actually like reading his book. Okay. I started a .com 1999 I graduated December 99, so 2000. I literally started a.com to web design just because he made this statement that, there is more, well technology in a Casio arm and risks watched in the entire Apollo 11 space mission. Yet we, the church have not changed how we're using at all since, you know, the seventies or sixties or whatever. And it was, it was like, I want to, I'm doing. And so literally I started a.com doing web design had over a hundred clients that I was building websites for and flash and CD rom development and hosting.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 47:43 And like, it was just, it was awesome. but it was all, it was based off of this man's book. But I swear like reading that book, I can only read like one or two pages at a time because it was so thick with references and it was so, well educated, you know, that it just, it, and I saw, he actually, I follow him on Facebook and he posted, it's the 20th anniversary of Soul Tsunami. And they're talking about rereleasing the book. And I'm like, Oh, I got to get that. But like even a Soul Cafe, he did a Starbucks parallel. That was really good. It's like I've probably read four or five of his stuff.
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 48:23 Yeah. He just, he has a new one now that said, I can't remember the title of it, but it's about the ring of fire. That might even be the title. But yeah, it's, it's always thought provoking.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 48:35 Awesome. And that's good. I love that. Hey man, I want to thank you for the time, and I appreciate that. The conversation. Jennifer, with you jumping on with me today. And maybe any thoughts or anything as we're landing the plane?
  
    
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  Jennifer Miles: 48:49 I think the big thing is like, trust your people, right. Empower your people to do things, give them the assets they need. I mean, you don't have to do everything and be everything. So the more you empower them, the easier it is to do marketing for the church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Episode 30 of The Church Digital Podcast. Okay, well let's pause here for a second. I just want to tell you, I can't believe we've done 30 of these things and I wanna thank you, listening audience, for your reception and your comments and a lot of the shares that we've been getting here on The Church Digital Podcast. I hope this has been rewarding for you as together, we wrestle with what this idea of church online and digital church. What this essentially is because I don't know that we all have the answers, but together I think we can get to the answer. So here's where we are with Episode 30, I was doing an online Bible Study with some online pastors a week or so ago and just was asking the question, Hey, tell me something great that happened this week. And one of the pastors, Andy Mage from Bay Hope, raised his hand, that's weird in an online environment. But he started telling us a story about all the success that he's had through his church or his church has had in context of Tiktok. And that brought me pause cause you know, I don't hear a lot of church success stories in context of TikTok and I'm always interested to talk to a church that's doing something different. So I reached out to Andy afterwards and said, Hey, let's get on a podcast and just dig deeper into this. So here's where we are. We're bringing in a conversation on TikTok throwing in some YouTube and just a lot of, call it unconventional video strategies in context of church and church online. So we're bringing an Andy Mage, who like I said, is the Online Pastor over at Bay Hope Church in Tampa, as well as, Jessica Spivey, who is the Social Media Director there for the church, coupled with Rey DeArmas from Christ Fellowship Miami, once again, cohosting the show with myself, Jeff with The Church Digital and a conversation that I'm calling the TikTok Revolution. Hey everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 01:47 So I started the TikTok roughly about a month ago, actually on Friday is our one month anniversary.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 01:54 So back in the summer, my daughter who was seven and went to a cheerleading camp and she came home talking about TikTok and I was like, what in the world is she talking about? She's like, we really got to watch the videos and make the videos. I was like, okay, I'm going to make an account so that I can monitor. Obviously she's seven, I'm going to monitor what she's looking at. So there are certain people that we follow that she can watch only the following page, not the for you page and that kinda thing. So we did that and as I was scrolling through these Christians started to pop up in my feet and they were, Hey, here's the verse of the day, or Hey, let's pray together today.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 02:30 Really cool positive things. And I was like, wait a second, there's a spot for a church here. And so I came into, came into work and I said, Hey, I want to do this thing. I want to start this. TikTok. And our Communications Director was like, okay, but don't like waste a lot of time on it in case it flops. Okay. Not exactly what he said, but pretty much. And so here we are, a month later, we've been repurposing content that we already had existing quotes from messages, bits of our Bay Hope Worship team, various different bits that we've been repurposing for TikTok to not spend too much time on it. We have 3,500 followers as of this morning, which is crazy. We have one video in particular of our, the Harbor Pastor, him giving, it's a bit of his sermon that he gave it a month or two ago and that video has seen over 40,000 views. So that's incredible.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 05:08 That type of thing. And people filling up the comments and liking the thing and you know, it's not as much as we'd like. Like this video of our Harbor Pastor, Chris, 40,000 views. It's got, I dunno, 4,000 hearts or likes on it. I mean something, it's ridiculous numbers and the engagement, the surface level engagement, the comments, and she's pulling it up right now so we can actually get it. It's, 11.1K likes and 114 comments on it with 47,000 views. On just one video from less than a month ago and people are commenting and like, amen and Hey, I needed to hear this and you know, that type of thing. We've, you can see in the development of Snapchat, started as like this thing for 18 to 25 year olds, maybe 16 to 25 year olds.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 07:21 So yes, there's a couple of ways that we're doing that when they, our Bay Hope Worship Team recently released a new songs so yes, I directed them to YouTube. However, TikTok wants you to stay in TikTok. You can't link outside. Which makes it difficult, basically you're telling people to go search for something on YouTube. Now you can connect your Instagram page and your YouTube page in your profile. So, you can say go to the YouTube channel on our profile. So those two things are nice to have, but you can't direct them to a specific video. It's not like Instagram where you can say Link in bio or that, you know, it's not a direct link, so there's several steps which I as a marketer don't love because the fewer number of steps means that you know, the likelihood that they're actually going to get where you want them to get. Were trying to, especially on like Saturday, I post a video clip or a music clip and I'll say join us Sunday, you know, the next day hoping that people see it overnight at 9:30 or 11. And I include our website in text over the video of where to go see because they can't click it anywhere that I post it, they're not going to click it. So, that, I hope that that changes, but I understand TikTok wanting everybody to stay in TikTok.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 09:07 No, so I'm downloading our, and I do this for our social media, as well. So basically it's kind of a repurpose of the content. I download our service from stream monkey and I chop it up and I pull quotes from this past weekend. Like I have a quote that's set up, pulled, that I'm getting somebody to add text to cause I don't know how to do that yet. I do, but they don't trust me yet, I guess is the short version.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 09:31 I don't have time for that. But so I pulled the clips and then I'm using it in that way. I'm also posting them on our Facebook and our Instagram as video clips with, you know, provoking question or whatever to say, you know, what was the key point from the weekend that you caught? So I'm using it in multiple different ways. I'm assuming I'm TikTok that they probably don't go to our church. So I'm not gonna ask that question of how did you reflect on the weekend? I'm saying here's a clip from our weekend message. Go watch the full version of it at bayhope.com. That's how I'm using it on TikTok.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 10:00 That's great because not all of us, and this is even speaking, you know, at a large mega church with a lot of sites, not all of us have that kind of swag that we're getting the swipe up feature on Instagram like seriously. And so this provides to me just based off of this conversation, this provides another method to help draw young viewers and to push them. Just some of those next steps. Now out of curiosity, the clip that's got all these crazy amount of views, what was it? What was the subject matter?
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 10:26 The subject matter, he starts off his quote and he says, get along with God. You know, we spend more time on sports center than we do in the word. And he carries it on a little bit further from there. But basically he's challenging, you know, this notion that, all these other things are important. You know, we'll wake up earlier, we'll stay up late for a game or whatever, but we won't wake up 30 minutes early to read a Bible. That was the challenge. And so I think because it was more of a challenge than it was just a passive quote. I think that's part of what it did. I also, in that particular post use a, whenever you post a video, it shows you the top three hashtags. So I used one of those hashtags and it was #makeitawesome. Not exactly related to our content, so every time that I post, I try to use one of those top three, making sure it makes sense with our context so that that engagement is a little higher. Figuring out what the rhyme or reason behind the algorithms in TikTok is a little bit of a mystery right now.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 11:44 And I agree and actually your question challenges some of the hashtags that I've been using. You know, if the goal on TikTok we're assuming that this audience is younger probably doesn't attend our church. That's the direction that we're the audience that we're speaking to. If I'm using hashtags like faith and Jesus and people are probably searching those probably already know Jesus. And so it may be, you know, using whatever the popular ones are. But even thinking through having a rough day, you know, I mean, thinking through those other hashtags that could be used to really reach that audience is a good one. I always use #Tampa, because that's physically where we are. But that doesn't mean that obviously we can't connect with somebody outside of that scenario.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:49 Yeah, that right there is interesting because TikTok, right now it's actually young demographic. I saw somebody tweet this out yesterday, you know, yesterday, Ellen degenerates posted her thing about, Hey, how we can get along with diverse perspectives. Somebody tweeted this out, they said the people on Facebook are mad at George Bush for hanging out with Ellen. The people on Twitter are mad at Ellen for hanging out with George Bush and the people on TikTok have no idea who either of those people are.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 14:15 And it's funny, I read that same thing and I laughed like I laughed so hard because it was like, A. You're absolutely right. B, if you look at the demographic of TikTok. And the interesting thing to me is that the video that has, that we're referencing here, Chris is, you know, he's a good looking dude. He's a young guy. He's what, 28, 29 30, right around there, charismatic, all that other stuff. He's 35. Okay. So he's just a little, whatever. I look weathered cause I'm bald. He, you know, like I said, a decent looking dude. The demographic of TikTok is what, 16 to 22 year old girls. I mean, for the most part, that's what you see. You're scrolling through the or these "thirsty guys" that are trying to, yeah, like trying to hook up with these girls.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 14:57 It's like, man, you are on the wrong platform for this. My friend like you, talking about how good you look with your shirt off. So like I'm, delete, like get out of here. But, so that's the interesting thing. But the flip side as a pastor for me is, and this is the thing that has gotten me fired up and I think got her fired up too. I'm going back through James Emory White's "Meet Gen Z", a brilliant book. if you've never read it, James Emory White, it's like I want to high five that dude and give him a bear hug all at the same time because he's touching and this back in 2017 he's touching on something that I don't think churches for the most part, are recognizing and realizing, and she referenced it just a second ago.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 15:39 We're not worried about the people that are already saved. The hashtag faith people that are Googling and searching #faith are for the most part died in the wool or you know, they're maybe newer believers and stuff like that. That's fine. I'm not worried about them. TikTok we're not worried about them. We are worried about the people that we can feasibly take and start having a conversation about God because what the, and James Emory White talks about this the Gen Z generation. So the generation just behind, she and I is open to spiritual conversations. They're not like millennials where it was just this antagonistic, atheistic or atheist stroke agnostic view. They're open to spiritual conversations and I had this like brainwave couple weeks ago, Apple released the new iPhone. I don't know if you guys knew that, but I, it's iPhone season.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 16:34 It's my favorite time of the year. I've had every iPhone since the first one. I missed one. It was the 3GS. I missed it. But every single one I've had, because I'm a nerd and I was in the AT&amp;amp;T store trying to figure some stuff out. And I was talking with a 25, 26 year old sales rep right after I finished this Meet Gen Z book and we were just sitting there rapping a little bit and he said, what do you do? And I said, well, I'm a pastor and at a church up the road. And he, his eyes like lit up and he turned to me and he said, Oh you are, huh? And I said, yeah, like, you know, if you want to talk something spiritual. And I was just kind of throwing it out there, joking, cause I've got tattoos and stuff.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 17:14 And I was like, yeah, I just want to talk about some spiritual. And he looked at me dead in the eyes and we had a 45 minute conversation in the Apple store or in the AT&amp;amp;T store, excuse me, about his faith journey, about the fact that he had tried Catholicism and he was, he grew up Baptist, but then he turned Catholic and then he was Hindu. And then he looked at Buddhism and then he gave me the whole, you know, I think, every religion is looking at different parts of the same God, you know, that apologetic. And I'm sitting here going, wait a minute, these are the people that we can reach on TikTok. If we can just figure it out. This guy right here, and his generation are being represented on this app that you can earn 15 second sound bytes. How do we do something with that?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 17:59 That's good. And so you guys aren't necessarily pushing the people inside your church to follow you on, TikTok, you guys are leveraging this for more missional work. Like, Hey, we're just, we're throwing out a big net.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 18:09 I made no promotion on our social media or anything else about, we even have one. The only discussion that we've had is internal. A few of us used to go, are you on it or you just to ask. Because half of the time, you know, I mean I'm 34, so you know, my teenager, I have a 20 year old stepdaughter, she doesn't even have TikTok. So it's this weird, some of them are on it, some of it see it as cringy. It's kind of a mixed bag.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:35 But that's right there is already a shift in thinking, because you know, most of the time whenever we launch something and maybe I'm looking a little too internal in my space. We think, Oh well we're going to promote this internally as well. You know, you guys aren't really saying a word. You guys are allowing this to just continue to spread virally, literally like through different channels, through this channel and allow it to just kind of organically take on its own life.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 18:59 And that might be, it's funny, I had a one on one with our, her boss, our Communications Director yesterday and we were talking about a number of different facets of online and you know, TikTok and social media and all this other stuff. And, just kind of talking about where we could line that up within the online campus realm. But what I drew from that is I think one of the reasons we're not promoting it is that we're a little scared of it. We're a little scared of the behemoth it could become, or the flop that it could be. And you know, I think the innovator, you know, who was the light bulb was invented 99 times before we thought the hundredth time was the correct one. Like, we don't want to be, but we're results oriented people, we're a results oriented society and we want to be able to hold this thing up to everybody and say, look, look how awesome it's doing.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 19:50 We don't necessarily want to fail. But I think on the flip side too, she more than anybody else taking a huge risk. I mean, like I said, she's the brains behind this entire operation. She's taken a huge risk in this by even bringing it to her boss and saying, Hey, I want to try this. The cool part about the church culture we're in is that there's a lot of spaghetti being thrown at walls and seeing what sticks. And so we're allowed, we have the opportunity and the resource and the time and the managerial capacity over us to say, yeah, go ahead and try it. Just make sure that, you know, you're staying on track as well.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 20:26 One of the things that, you know, as Jeff and I have talked to different folks, we see this in so many different spaces. And so that's where, you know, I want to encourage you guys and I think it's wonderful that you're trying that out, is, you know, a lot of us are trying to just throw the spaghetti at the wall and see if it sticks. We have, we're riding a wave, we don't know where it's gonna take. You know, and I think it's wonderful that you're doing that, as you ride this wave, in thinking, I mean, I know that it's difficult because you guys are looking at this in purely evangelistic form. Has there been somebody who is like, Hey, how can I take a next step with your church? Has that happened yet where somebody turned a corner on this?
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 21:05 It's not yet. We've had several that have commented that, you know, I went back through last night and saw several, my grandmother passed away, I'm interviewing for a scholarship and I'd love prayers for that. Several different comments in that nature. The first one popped up today or was it last night? Remember? The first one popped up recently that was, Hey, I'm in Trinity and I love seeing this in my for you page, which was really cool. Trinity Tampa is literally like 15 minutes away from where we are. Super excited. Now of course. I did open our messaging option, cause I was a little hesitant to do that. I didn't know what would come through and I did message her and just say, Hey, do you have a church home? You know, if you do, she hadn't responded yet.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 21:47 But if you do, great, awesome. You know, we're not calling you to leave there, but if you don't, we'd love for you to be a part of our Bay Hope family. So I think, kind of there's, two-fold, listening to those comments and then responding to them if possible, is gonna be very, very integral cause to receive a comment or a somebody asks for a prayer. I haven't done this yet, but I think the next step in this prayer journey right now, I've just been commenting, we're praying for you right now. Please follow up with us. Or, you know, we'd love to hear how this situation turns out, but it's just send them a message with a prayer like literally what I'm praying written out for them. I think that would be incredible. Incredibly powerful. So I think that's kind of the next step in this engaging these folks in this sphere.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 22:34 I've had a lot of conversation. It's funny she brings that up. I was having this conversation with somebody I was meeting with yesterday and they're distrusting of the, Carey Neuhoff, just released a podcast and they were, they were bringing it up with how the guests that was on Neuhoff's podcasts was saying that, you know, he's come full circle on online church and how it can't actually be an online thing because, you know, how can you, when it comes down to it, how can you really buy somebody a cup of coffee online? That type of thing. Which I think is a completely spurious. I understand what he's saying and I understand the full circle he's come on, but at the same time, and I grew up as an online gamer and some very good friends of mine that I still talk to live across the country.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 23:16 And that's just for playing, you know, World of Warcraft when I was younger. So all that to say what we were talking about with this idea about the prayers and stuff. We were actually talking about it in the church online platform that we use, provided by Life.Church and all that. We stream into that and there's a live prayer button and that's become more and more active over the last couple of months as we've started to put a little bit more engagement into our chat room and say, Hey, all you gotta do is click that live prayer button. And people honestly feel like they're being prayed for because as I'm sitting there typing out prayers, or she was handling it up. She's sitting there praying this prayer that she's typing out and people are more apt in today's day and age to receive that as, Hey, there's an actual person there that's caring for me and loving on me.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 24:02 Then I think they would have maybe five years ago. And so the idea of an 18 year old or whoever this was in Trinity, I'm saying 18 because that's just the kind of demographic I have in my head, this person in Trinity, if she can, if Jessica, can open a conversation and open a dialogue and, or with these prayer requests and actually pray for these people, how much more are they going to feel the spirit of God upon them even just through a text chat then they would have five years ago. I think we're in an interesting environment right now and I'm interested to see where it goes.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 24:35 So do you guys remember, I think it was a Steven Curtis Chapman songs was, let us pray. I grew up in a Baptist church. I think that song was like on repeat for us. But I think in this day and age, people say, especially in the church, great, I'll be praying for you. Do they really? And then, you know, follow that through with, you know, sending you positive vibes and like there's a whole culture of yes, I'm sending you positive things, but until we actually do it doesn't mean anything to them. We may be going back to pray for them, but if they don't know it, the value is not there for them. And I think that it was really uncomfortable the first time I did online campus and somebody puts in the prayer. It was like, I don't even know what to do.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 25:21 Cause I am not Pastoral background. That's not, it's just not what I'm good at but so typing out a prayer was strange and it was weird for me. I don't know on the receiving end how that feels or what that feels like, but it was weird for me. But doing it, it caused me to stop and pause to think about, okay, am I praying what they would want prayed for them. You know, am I really directing my prayers in the way that, you know, am I really representing the request accurately?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:58 Yeah. It's not surprising that a guy, and going back to the Neuhoff podcast, a man who is very popular in context and very knowledgeable in church growth is not going to identify with church online. Because church online is a, I think it's a new model of church. It's a whole other thing. And the thing that really struggles for church growth is, for church online, is that we're trying to get these organizations that are used to church growth first to identify with this completely separate model. You just prayed with somebody online by typing into a text box in a web browser, and the person who's watching, utilizing the chop church online platform is engaging with that and receiving that. You're, you are connecting on a spiritual level and making a difference in that person's life. And none of that is reconcilable by an organization that's counting butts in seats as the model for success.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:06 You know, a lot of the tensions that you're even like trying to figure out in context of, TikTok like TikTok for a church growth organization, it's not gonna you can't reconcile that. It's kind of like your communications director saying, Hey, just, you know, don't waste a lot of time on it. Okay. Because at the end of the day, the metrics to try to figure out, okay, was this a success? Did it get butts in seats? Did it get people into the next steps like that? It's hard to reconcile that because the platform is so young.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 27:43 Right. And the numbers do help and they give you the context for it. But really I think it's going to come when we find that those people that maybe they're physically here, maybe they're not, but they start connecting with our online campus. They join in and say, Hey, I found you on TikTok or we, you know, what the conversations, the messages even within TikTok, when those start to show results of life change, I think that's gonna be our, it's not a number and that's what's different, but that's gonna be our proof in the pudding if you will. That's going to be the, okay, this is working. We're really reaching people and people are really seeing Jesus, you know, in what we're posting.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:22 The thing that I love about all of this is that it's a great way. To one, we've got to ask ourselves what is the real mission and two, how are we efficiently accomplishing that? Because you guys are repurposing content. What's more efficient than that? Like it's not like you are spending.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 28:38 I went through my phone, and I uploaded, you can upload videos as a draft. So I went to background, all of the videos that we had done in the last six, eight months and I just uploaded them as a draft. So they're all sitting there in this bucket. All I have to do is make, you know, create a caption for them to push out. That's it. Like if a church is looking to move in this direction, even if it's just as an experiment. You know, there's a lot of really cool features. The drafts is really cool cause you can, even in the draft you can already put in the caption. I didn't happen to do that. You can set up the hashtags and all of that in the caption. You can set the, like the cover photo. So the photo that people will see when they're scrolling through, so you can set all of that, have it in there. You do have to manually push it. Obviously there's no schedule or for TikTok yet, but I mean I kind of hope there will be one day integration.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:35 Alright, so HootSuite if you're listening, you know, make a note.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 29:42 We're TMing. Oh yeah. And stories. So we're tming all of this right now. We're gonna mail this podcast to ourselves.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 29:48 Please do.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:49 Awesome. So, and this has been a been a lot of TikTok, which is awesome. Where are you guys, how we're utilizing YouTube? Like what are some takeaways from that? What successes have you seen in that area?
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 30:01 All right, well okay, so we have two lanes of YouTube right now. Three technically, but one of them is my own personal one. So the first, the two church ones, we have our regular Bay Hope Church YouTube paid and it doesn't have a whole lot of followers. Maybe 300, maybe less than that. Maybe 400, not a whole lot for a church our size. So that is, you know, through stream monkey we stream services to chop church online platform to Facebook and to YouTube.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 30:34 And it's just a way to kind of catch all. And then, on Mondays, either she or it's usually you right go in and chop up the sermon and just make sure it's there with a hashtag live or something. Hey, this is our live service, go look at it. And that provides long form content. It also is a land, the main church page is also a landing place for a lot of our short form stuff. So we're doing Bible stories with our curriculum developer who's this amazing lady named Lynn. We're using it for what, stories of care and things like that.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 31:04 Yeah. Anytime that there's a story that's shown on our weekend, in our weekend message, I generally like to share that on our social medias, YouTube included. So that's a two to three minute video that tells a story of somebody hear at our church. So we just recently did a, care week basically is what we called it. And we had five different stories for five different days, exactly what it sounds like. And every single day I posted a new care story. It was how they were reached via the care ministry or how serving on a care team has impacted their lives. So, those stories are there. We've got some of our kid's ministry stuff there as well. It kind of lived there before I came on board, and that's the milestone. So the things that they, Bible presentation, baptism, those kinds of steps that kids take through the kids' ministry process. Those are all lived there. And I had different playlists for them. But yeah, I mean every Monday I come in and I change the title because it's just a Bay Hope Live stream or whatever string monkey pushes through. I change it to the title of the message, you know, who spoke it. I always put hashtag live because that's how our, Executive Director of Creative, he pulls all those reports for, the actual live audience views.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 32:15 And so there's that lane. So that's the main church visibility lane. And then we have a separate, YouTube page for our worship team and Bay Hope Worship is becoming a thing. And it's been a thing for a little bit, for a couple of years they've been recording music and recording albums and all this. But recently, so what, back in March, they did a gigantic worship night and it was the kind of the first real Genesis of this type thing. And this is, you know, every church in the last 15 years, every big church in the last 15 years has done an album and all that. It's been special for our church, special for our congregation, special for particularly my family, cause my brother and sister are, kind of leads in the worship area. So for us it's been great, but for the church it's been even more edifying because now they're able to chop all these songs up.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 33:05 We're releasing them one by one every two weeks or so. It goes up on Spotify, it goes up through YouTube and then it goes into where? Into Apple music as well, I believe, and then through YouTube we're just cutting these, videos and we've got an amazing kind of videography team. And, you know, everything's getting mixed down and it looks real professional. And we pushed that out and there's big promotion and hoorah and festivals and all that behind each single that goes out. But we're also, and this, and she can speak more to this, we're putting money behind that worship page specifically because worship music is huge. Obviously it's one of the most searched Christian things on YouTube. Christian sites, you know, the rise of Bethel and Jesus Culture could be intimately tied to the rise of YouTube as well. I can sit here and make a case for that. I'm not going to, but that there is that case. And so I don't know how much money we've been throwing at it, but enough.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 34:04 I don't know. I did not create the ads. Our video guy really kind of wanted to lean into the YouTube, all of that. And I'm like, this is not my area of expertise. I don't mind learning, but if you want to give it a try. And so he's really been leaning into it. He's promoting specific videos, as the suggested video after you watch something. So and I don't, I've never seen the backside, so I don't know if there's criteria that you give it and you know, I'm sure there are. I'm sure there is, criteria that you give it to then, you know, it's gonna follow something of a light content. It's not going to follow something that's super inappropriate. I don't know, maybe it should
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 34:40 The most recent video that got released two Fridays ago has upwards of 50,000 or 60,000 views on it already. It's jumped hundreds of subscribers. We're over a thousand, well over a thousand I think.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:55 So you're doing it on a separate page organizationally. Why not do it on the church pages, as well?
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 35:02 So that's an interesting, interesting question. And I raised that as well, because that was created before I was here that split, and actually probably before you were hear?
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 35:14 The split was there before me. And so I have operated in this space of like, our students have an account of their own. Do they really need one of their own? I don't know. But when I came on board, there were multiple accounts, all of these things. So we've really tried to curtail that down because if you're throwing this, you know, if you're pushing out content on 10 different places, with these little teeny tiny audiences, your reach is obviously less, but if you've got one place, and so I would say we're doing that because it is before we arrived. I think ideally it would be a conglomeration if a church is looking to do something like this, that it would be one channel, all of that, you'd have a playlist that would be your music stuff. Now I do have a playlist on our main page that reflects the videos that they posted as well. So we're kind of circularly pointing that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:05 Yeah, that's good. If, I'm putting on the online campus, the church online hat, if I'm putting on the church online hat now I'm thinking, okay, well if I can use these paid music ads to get them to subscribe to the main campus, to the main feed and then from there, funnel them into next steps or something like that. So, yeah, that would be ideal. And, you know, of course everything's a work in progress right? When you come on. You know, and Andy, you've been there four months, even even Jessica, two years, like I know that that's, it's a slow process sometimes to work through fun stories involving myself where I came on, I was working for another church and I'd been there like six months and the executive pastor called me in and said, Hey, Jeff, you're doing a great job, changing culture around here.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:54 And we never really thought that you'd be able to change it as fast as you are. So thanks for doing a great job. And if you make another woman cry, over something, you know, if I hear about that, you're fired. Yeah. So, sometimes, you know, valuing people in the process and, and going slowly is better than just cramming change down there. But that's completely separate podcast and I actually loved working there. So it was a great church. What are your next steps? So you're doing the thing with YouTube and pushing in that direction. You're doing the thing with TikTok, three months from now, six months from now, like where do you see yourself going with these platforms?
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 37:37 Oh boy. The interesting thing is that, and this is a quick little inside baseball story, when Jessica made the TikTok page, we actually had a conference like three days after that and I was helping lead worship at a conference and helping to kind of set up and tear down. And so about an hour or so away from here and she came up and she's like, Hey, I'm doing this TikTok thing. I was like, Oh my God, let's like, I'll help you. Whatever you need. Like let me know. I like, this is fantastic. And I made some short little crappy little video and it was fine. But, the, so it's been, it's been kind of this seat of our pants type stuff until really the last two weeks or so when we, she and I met probably last Monday in my office and said, okay, let's codify this a little bit. Hey, I need you to do this. I'll take care of this, et cetera, et cetera. I think once we figure out the follow up aspect to TikTok, once we start deriving a little bit more conversational tools of it, like she said, she just opened up the conversation stuff, what, last week maybe.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 38:39 Yeah. I just opened all that up in order to sign up for the pro account and have the messaging that you have to be able to connect it to an actual phone number, that has text messaging. So we have a Google number. That was how I was able to open all those things up, for us, but otherwise you can't message people.
  
    
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  Andy Mage: 38:54 Yeah. So I think the, if we can continue to work the conversational tools and then work them depending on where they are, but I'm a bit biased and I have a ministry that would love to reach people all over the country and all over the world and it is doing so, I think our best bet is to start to funnel them to the online campus, simply because of the time investment that is not needed for somebody to log into a website and join us in a service or join us on a Facebook page, you know, or in a Facebook group, that type of thing. I think that could be the largest next step that we take. I think to get there though, we need to open those conversations in whatever avenue possible and so that's gonna take, she says she doesn't have a pastoral heart, but she definitely had a pastoral leading, which is a pastoral heart. And so that takes a pastoral heart to really reach out and say, Hey, I am praying for you. I do care for you. Once people can feel that, I think the ball starts rolling a little bit more downhill.
  
    
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  Jessica Spivey: 40:03 Yeah, absolutely. And I would say in the next couple of months, one of the things that I'd like to explore, once you hit a thousand followers on TikTik you, it opens up the door for live, kind of like the swipe up on Instagram. Now this features unlocked for us, which is a really cool thing. So does that mean that we live stream one of our services? The difficult technical thing is, okay great, we're going to put it somewhere, but how do we comment back with people and like the logistics of that are going to be interesting, but it may be something to explore this. You know, what does a live service look like on TikTok? Now there are two other gentlemen that are doing what they call TikTok church. Literally TikTok church. They do music, they'd have a word and then they pray for people. There's a guy that does it at seven o'clock central time. He does it every single week. So it's happening. I do think that we're on the forefront of it. There are other churches, cause that was one of the questions that our Communication Director asked me. He said, what are other churches doing? What other kinds of content are they doing and some of them, and I found one church in particular that is posting videos, but they have the comments turned off. And I was like, what, why, what for? Why are you here? Sorry. You can cut that part out if was too much. If the goal is not to engage with people, what are you doing? You're wasting your time or you're wasting somebody's time that's supposed to have videos. So, there are other pastors out there that are on there, Steven Furtick, but does the same thing we're doing, he's re-purposing videos from their message series on TikTok. So, I would say some curated content. So some content that's specifically for TikTok, whether we're using the fun new sounds, putting a spiritual twist on it, that would be fun. The hard part is that those sounds are popular for about 37 seconds. By the time that we see they're popular, we come up with an idea, we're working with a videographer to get it shot.
  
    
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      <title>PODCAST 029: Mark Venti &amp; Churchome's Digital Culture</title>
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                    One of my favorite podcasts to date, Mark Venti from Churchome lays it out. “We’re experimenting…” “We’re following the Holy Spirit, but learning from Silicon Valley…” Mark and Churchome are on a mission to impact people in their homes as much as in their church buildings. After all, churches didn’t have buildings for the first 300 years they existed.
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                    Churchome has received some notoriety, and my blog posts I’ve written on them have become some of the most-read blogs on my site thanks to Google. In the midst of the criticism, Churchome has been highly effective in creating a digital mobile-app strategy for reaching people who would never go into their physical campuses.
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Let's not get hung up on a facility. That's a direct quote from Mark Venti here on Episode 29 of The Church Digital Podcast. We had a great episode, a great interview, great conversation, and I got to tell you it when a little long, but it is so rich with concepts for Church Online, for digital church, for mobile app church that I don't want to add a bunch of stuff here in the beginning. I just want you to listen to the interview because right from the get go it is solid solid stuff. So here's who I'm bringing to the table today. Mark Venti, Executive Pastor of Churchome, there on the West Coast. I'm bringing in Rey De Armas, Online Pastor from Christ Fellowship Miami and myself, of course, Jeff Reed from The Church Digital in a conversation that I'm calling Creating Church Culture Digitally. Hey everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 00:50 Our church started in 1992 and I came over, I started attending Churchome. It was then called The City Church, so it was launched called The City Church in Seattle, Washington. I joined the church in 2000. I kind of dabbled in it a little bit before that but I came to do our Bible College and the church saw a lot of growth early on and I came on staff in 2001, cleaning toilets and washing windows. And, then during that time, myself, I did a lot of youth ministry and during that time our church also transitioned to doing multisite. We launched our first location in 2004 and so I was a part of that on the youth ministry side, how to start and grow our youth ministry in multiple locations and a really fun time. Our pastor right now is Judah Smith.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 04:32 My second year as a college student I started, I became a janitor at the church. I was a waiter in a restaurant and so I started, yeah, cleaning, literally cleaning toilets. I was also leading worship as a volunteer. So I was doing all the music for our youth ministry and I, there was a few Sundays where I was literally on the clock emptying garbages but this is back in the day where you wore suits to church every Sunday. And so I bought my suit at, we also had a little like, thrift shop in our lobby. So I bought my suit for $20 that I wore almost every week and there were a few Sundays where I was cleaning toilets with a suit on in between services and I'd get on the stage and then lead worship and auditorium seats about 2,500 so I'd be leading worship in front of 2000 people and then during service break I'd be emptying garbages. So yeah, that was real.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:25 That's an interesting stage of life. Definitely. Yeah. So we've talked about this on the podcast and I'm just going to be completely transparent right here. I haven't had a ministry position longer than four years. You're looking at something where, I'm doing bad math in my head, but 15, 16, 17 years, I think.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 05:45 19 years.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:47 Like I said, bad math, 19 years. How did you manage to stay in a position for 19 years? Like what does that look like for you?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 05:58 Probably because our church changes so much so it doesn't feel like I'm in one position. I mean, my role I have, I've probably only been in one similar role for more than three years at a time. We're a pretty younger staff. It hasn't always been like that being our pastor now it's 40 years old and he took over the church at 31 and so that's probably a lot of it. I'm also, I love the vision of the church. I'd love, I have a long term relationship with Jude and Chelsea. I mean I was 17 and I went on a ministry trip with him when they were engaged to be married and when they were on this trip, it's me, a 17 year old with an engaged couple on a 10 hour drive into Canada. And there were times where Judah would go up to study and I'd sit in a coffee shop with this fiance.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 06:49 It was bizarre. I'm just saying we go way back. And so I just think there's something there. And we also compliment each other. Judah is an artist. He is a gifted communicator. I'm the first person in my family to be in ministry. My dad is a mechanical engineer. So even the way my brain is wired, like I connect with Judah. I've preached a lot. I did all of that. But I'm also a little bit more of a tactical, mathematical minded individual. So we just have a long history. So we connect really well, but I'm also very different than him.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:28 Wow. That's exciting how you found somebody that's like complimentary and you connect with each other and completing that package. So you were with The City and so now, you're in the midst of a rebrand or something heading into Churchome. I know like you first came on my radar, honestly, I found you on Fox news, I think they ran article about this guy named Judah Smith who's trying to like Pastor people digitally on his phone. Like, and it's just like, what's going on? So I started digging and doing some research and, I honestly, just right now the number one blog on my website is what I wrote about you guys. So I don't know if like people are still hitting on Google or what. I honestly, I didn't really dig into the analytics lately, but there's still is a hot topic where people are trying to figure out what Churchome is. So kind of help us here and really help us define what is Churchome, what do you guys trying to do?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 08:29 So here's part of the story that's funny is, so we changed the name of our church three years ago and our church, we didn't have a digital app at that point. We weren't, we didn't change the name of our church so that we could become a, you know, a massive digital expression. I mean the name of our church is not very innovative. In fact, we pushed back quite a bit like, Hey, we can get like some professionals in here, like rebranding experts. And he's like, no, I feel like God's calling our church to be church like a home. And this was three years ago, and possibly to have church in your home, but church should feel like a home setting. It should feel like a refuge. It should feel like a space where you breathe and, I feel like it's supposed to change.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 09:20 So it was, it was a bit of an identity emphasizer when we made that transition. Little did we know, how important technology would be to complete that mission? We're still learning how that all is, but we, there's people that have come up to me and been like, okay, so I know City Church, which is our old name, but there's a million City Churches now. When we started in 1992, it was like this super innovative name. But, we were City Church and when we changed, people thought like, okay, so a City Church like your building church and Churchome is like your digital church. It's just happens to be that within a year of us changing our name, that this opportunity came for us around, using digital technology to help us, create communities. Hopefully all over the world.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:08 The goal of Churchome is to create churches in homes. Part one is to create a church environment, maybe in a physical building that feels like home, but then there's a second part that's creating churches in homes. Unpack, I mean both if you want, but really that second piece of what does it look like to create a church in a home?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 10:31 Yeah, I mean, first thing I'll say is I think it's important we don't get hung up on a facility, because it's not about a building, it's not about a home. it's, it's way more about church. We all know this. It's no question for any church leader that a building is not a church and that's the same thing. You know, I think that's probably why and your blog in the past and maybe when we launched our app, the people, there were some people that had a little bit of a hard time cause they're like an app is not church. And we're like, we're not saying it is, but we do believe just like a building facilitates church. We believe that an app facilitates church. I will say this, that the first 300 years of the church, there weren't buildings like the buildings didn't get created till Constantine built them.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 11:20 And so like when we look at churches, I mean throughout the New Testament, Paul is saying, Hey, greet those people. And if you look at it says the ones who meet at the church in your home, like people just found whatever means possible they could to build the community of church. And I think culturally, that we put limitations around the church that don't need to be there. and I think that's kind of the heart. I mean, if you take the digital mentality it's way broader, not talking church, but you know, we have Amazon in our backyard. Silicon Valley is just down the road and Seattle is becoming a new Silicon Valley. I mean, literally our real estate has doubled in the last three years because a lot of companies from San Francisco are moving up here. Apple's moving their headquarters to Seattle.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 12:13 Microsoft is literally a stone's throw from where I'm sitting right now as the list goes on. So we're in a very, we're in a very tech based area. The way, the way the tech world thinks is they, they literally are, are constantly adapting, constantly changing, and they're constantly thinking one thing, let's use whatever means humanly possible to sell what we have, to give what we have. And so my opinion, like why shouldn't the church think that much that way, even more so? Like let's use any means we possibly can. I mean, Amazon started in Seattle last year, they built a whole department, invested millions of dollars into downtown, this thing called Amazon Go. It's a grocery store that you walk in with your phone in your pocket, grab your stuff and walk out without checking out. Your phone just does it for you. Everybody's like, this is going to be the next idea.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 13:05 Well, they closed it two months ago. They're like, it didn't work. And by the way, all of your staff that did this, you don't have a job anymore. And, but at the same time, they just started a new store in Seattle cause they're testing it, called the Four Star. And what that is, the top 100 4-star rated products on Amazon, they're selling in person and they're, I mean, they're totally random, but they're all the top sellers. And Amazon's just going, it's not about an app. It's not about online. It's not about a building. It's let's find any way possible to sell. And so if a building helps us, let's do it. Let's find it out. And so much more I think. Why doesn't the church thinks the same way?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:47 Yeah. There's that bit of experimenting that, you know, the church has, and we've talked about this recently, we had Seth Muse on who's a Communications Director at a church. And we've just talked so much about this idea of the church doesn't experiment. It's afraid to, it gets locked in this model of the brick and the mortar building of, Oh, well, we've been doing church services for years. We shouldn't have to do another thing because the church service worked 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, a hundred years ago, way back in Constantine. I mean that's a great illustration right there of, we've been stuck in a model, and are maybe trying to break free of that model. Churches like yours with Churchome you know, wrestling with what it looks like to do something different. And honestly, like as I was doing some digging, I'll never forget this tweet and I, we may have discussed it, I think previously, but literally somebody said in a tweet and Twitter's Twitter, I get it. I don't know what the F bomb you think this is, but don't call it church. That was the church, that was someone involved in the churches response to church home experimenting with doing something different. Like there's whole bunch of issues with that. But how much of that have you guys felt?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 15:09 See, I was sheltered. I'll say that like we're probably disconnected from the, it's probably a good thing. There's probably some bad things to it, but we're disconnected from a lot of different areas with like, there's sometimes the competition and the critics in the church world. And I mean, honestly what we're passionate about, we're based in Seattle. We have a location in Los Angeles and we're believing to really reach people and engage with them at a high level, much broader than that clearly. But, I think we've been sheltered from a lot of it. I mean, I would say this like, we, a lot of our staff, for example, I mean, they probably are very, like, we regulate their social media, but we don't talk about our press this way or that way that much. You know, there were some in the beginning that were kind of, they were kind of fun to hear, just like, I was like, wow, people really have an opinion about this. I'm kind of shocked. So, there might still be a lot going on. I literally would tell you, I don't even know. I think we just have our head down. We're trying to learn, we're trying to experiment, we're trying to listen to users not to critics or another way, those are kind of digital terms, but, you know, we're trying to listen to people that are engaging with our community and what their experiences and how we can make that better that's what I have my focused attention on. But that's what our team has their focus attention on.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 16:41 Yeah. What does church look like in Churchome? Obviously physical buildings. I think people can put it together, but, you know, maybe since, let's not listen to the critics, but let's focus on what is this, what's the end game? What's the actual church?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 17:00 So here's what I think people get hung up on. I mean, to answer your question, we have, we have five locations that are buildings. We have staff, pastors, we have gatherings on Sundays and Wednesday night. But, and we also have this digital tool that is what we're passionate about is that we call it a digital tool by the way it's a tool that helps engagement. I'm gonna use a term that's nothing rocket science, but I think this is what people get hung up with on maybe this critic who said this is not church and, is this, well, people need to meet in person. And, I mean, that's a good question. I don't know if anybody can conclude on that, but I will tell you our goal is that people would meet in person. So what we are hoping to do with mobile technology is help people, whether they meet in our buildings or they meet in another way that we can create a space where people can build relationships and meet face to face.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 18:06 So, and whatever means possible for that to facilitate. There is massive benefits to digital, engagement in technology. I believe majority of that and getting majority of that is, is really benefit on the front end. I asked the guys at Life.Church when we were first exploring this, you know, cause from what the little bit that I know there are some of the people that really started this and I talked to their Online Pastor and he's like, man, people are actually engaged more on online than they do in person. You know, I'll walk past somebody in our lobby and they won't say hi to me and they'll get on their phone and they'll text me or vice versa. People will be extremely vulnerable and let's just be honest, just cause there's anonymity, you know, you can talk about I had a terrible day today, this, this and this and this and just open up very quickly with complete strangers.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 19:01 That's actually something that we can really use for our benefit. Like we can use that vulnerability to create connections that hopefully lead to people meeting together in person. So what Churchome looks like is, I say all that to say Churchome is very passionate about being church like a home. And what I mean by that again is that is that you have a safe place, a small church that happens to have a lot of people. So we want to have a small church environment and it just our prayers that we reach as many people as possible. So, it happens to have a lot of people, but it might meet in small environments or if you're in an environment, it's a large, we want it to feel very small. We want to feel very authentic. We want to feel very genuine. We want everybody to know somebody and somebody to know you at the end of day is it about a group's program? Is it about this? I think programs are overrated. Program has helped us facilitate a cultural value. Our cultural value would be that when you're going through a hard time, do you actually know somebody that you can call or text or connect with and that person doesn't need to have the answers. They seem to be able to be there and be like, man, I'm sorry. I'll pray with you. I'm for you. And we all know that the people we want to go to in those moments, it's not somebody that's got a solution, but somebody's going to empathize with us. It's gotta be somebody that's going to be there for us. And so we're trying to find any way possible to help facilitate easy connection. Even like I said, for people to come in our buildings, we, I think one of the negative aspects of the mega church world in which we live, in which we are one by the way. Is it so easy to slip in and slip out. It's so easy to come to a gathering and think of gathering is church. And as we know, church is so much more than that. And so we're kind of, we're trying to think of a community that engages daily rather than Sunday and let's use Sunday or a gathering as a tool to help people engage daily. So that's what we're passionate about with Churchome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:08 So often we hear with church online or or technology that it conflicts that it competes with the physical building. Like I've literally had conversation where pastors are debating about shutting down church online because they're saying church online numbers skyrocket and they're seeing physical numbers shrink. So rather than working with the thing that's being successful, they want to shut down the successful thing in hopes that since they're not able to access the content, the services, the messages online, they'll go back to the physical buildings, the brick and mortar and see it there. What you've done with Churchome is you've managed to develop as a strategy or maybe unpack what this looks like, where your Churchome app, your digital strategy, compliments what's happening in the physical as well as coexisting outside for an online audience. Can you kind of unpack a little bit about how the mobile works alongside and doesn't compete with the physical?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 22:12 Well, let me use a few words that you just used to kind of give context. First off, let me actually say it does compete and I think it's important for any leader to go, if I leave it to itself, they do contrast and they do compete. But if we lead it, they cannot and actually don't even want to use the word compliment that they can do their part in their own space to help make the whole experience better. Let me give you an example. When Nordstrom first started their digital, Nordstrom's also a local community here, a company here, and when they first started their digital online presence for selling stuff, what ended up happening without them trying to was their stores and their digital ended up competing against each other. And so the leadership got together and said, this isn't going to work.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 23:10 The option that I think what churches and what church leaders have thought is, you kinda have three options. Keep them competing and that's a pain or shut one of them down. We should shut buildings down. Nope, we should shut up online down. But when you think in business terms, how terrible would that be for Nordstrom to make that conclusion? Of course the answer is one of the two, you know, either let them keep competing, which I don't think is a good solution or let's find out a way that these can work together. Not, and I agree there is a complimentary aspect to it, but there's also an idea of going let's let digital make physical better and let's make physical make digital better. So what I mean by this is this and this is what we're endeavoring to do. And I will say that, we are trying and we are growing and we are learning and I think we've got some great ideas and I think what we're doing right now is also awesome, but I think some of the new things we're going to be trying in the future are going to even make this even better that you have the exact same experience whether your first interaction with Churchome is digital and online or if it's in person. And I'm actually beginning to see that the most ideal scenario is your first impression to be digitally, which leads to in person. So I'm going to use in person on purpose rather than than buildings because again, I don't want us to be limited to buildings being physical. Physical that I think we see in the Bible is people meeting with people and obviously there's the whole government structure church of course we believe in all of that. But I'm just saying it's face to face engagement. So, what we have had, and this actually did happen for us, is that we, when we launched our app, we realized quickly that we had to start creating workflows. How is this all gonna work?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 25:11 And so we started creating all these workflows and all of a sudden we kinda had to churches, we had workflows for all of our buildings and our mega church. And then we had workflows for all of our digital and I mean, we had staff literally just to tell you the conflict, to be vulnerable with you. We had staff being like, I kind of feel like we're going back to the book Exodus and you're asking us to build more brick with less straw and mud. Like I feel like you just gave me a second job. I can't keep up with both these because we were like, we're gonna seamlessly bring these together. All of us are going to be involved. Everybody's going to have a job on the app, everybody's going to have a job in person. And that's still, you know, part of being a team is you just jump in and do it.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 25:51 What we're working on right now is trying to go, let's think of one workflow that seamlessly has digital, physical, physical, digital, physical rather than digital, digital, digital, digital, digital or physical, physical, physical, physical, physical. Let's have one workflow that doesn't cause these things to compete because they naturally do, but they actually seamlessly work together. And there's a term that is funny in industry right now. It's, that's called phygital. Like I said, you can tell so many jokes around it but this term is exactly that. It's the seamless, cohesion of physical and digital workflows working together and cohesion to build the best product we possibly can. So church is not a business, it's not a product, you hear my heart, but, that's what we're endeavoring to do. And it's a constant journey. It's a constant adaptation. and it's a constant learning from users on how we can do that better.
  
    
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  Rey De Armas: 26:57 Mark, you made a comment earlier about how programs and processes need to work together. I thought that was great because so often, you know, I find that we get so caught up in terms of what the true purpose of the program is. And so can you give me some, some like more specific examples as to how that works out with Churchome in terms of, Hey, here's the concept that we want to see happen. How are we going to do this in a digital space? And we're open to whatever ideas come with it as far as how that's gonna work.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 27:28 I'll tell you something we are doing right now. I'll also tell you some of the problems we have with those, which is why we're trying to explore other ways but they're good problems. It's there's probably always going to be some problems with everything we do, which is what keeps us having a job. But, what we're doing right now, which has been a big aspect of what we're trying to leverage content, to be a hook for people to engage with and, our goal is that those people would consider starting groups, leading groups. So obviously groups is a very big aspect. We want to make it super easy for people to lead groups. One thing has been very specific is we have, we've tried to really streamline our technology rather than having like 15 different on-ramps as narrowing as it is.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 28:19 We've said this is our on-ramp. so we don't, we're not like communicating to our church and say, Hey, go use this technology, go use that, go use this. And I think there's benefits to that. But I think what I would recommend to anybody is curate those different technologies that other people have created, like Facebook groups or any of those try to curate them to work as one seamless thing customized for your community. So for us, we went all in with this mobile app. Are we going to have used some of that in an online web based experience? Sure. We'd like to build that out more. But we went first with a mobile app because that's way more where people are at. I mean who even remembers Amazon.com, like when, I'm not saying people don't use it, but that's where Amazon started.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 29:06 But what made Amazon, Amazon, is that app because we all know we spend way too much money cause we think of something and then we buy it right then on our phone. So mobile technology is very different than online technology. And mobile technology is primarily about the immediate and also primarily about engagement because you can engage right then and right there. I mean, think about how different social media wouldn't be if we didn't have mobile phones. I'd be extremely different. And so I think streamlining what you're going to choose, that's what we chose. That's why we went that direction. I also believe that businesses that are using mobile technology appropriately are the ones that are really thriving. And I don't think, in my opinion, I don't think churches have really used mobile technology for what it is. It's become like an app version of a website.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 29:57 It's not really interactive. It's not very engaging. It's not something that is, addicting. And let's be honest, these things are addicting, so why not use that addiction to do it for something awesome like Jesus and church? So that's what we're on for sure. Some of the other things we're working on right now is we do still presently have separate workflows and what we are working on a new thing that will allow us to do this, that your first step, for example, I think probably somewhere in the 90s or maybe even as early as the 80s, we can thank Bill Hybels and lots of other great entrepreneurial creative thinking pastors that were like, Hey, let's make Sundays the front door of church. Like we're going to make it open for non Christians and make it a space where people feel safe.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 30:52 And Sundays became that what we're wanting is we're wanting, this phone, this digital app or maybe the online experience to become the front door of church that it's way less intimidating. Let's just be flat out honest to say, Hey, would you consider checking out this cool content? This is an app that the community I'm a part of is leading. And it rather than going like, Hey, do you want to darken the doors of a church building this Sunday for people who don't go to church? There's so many preconceived ideas about that. But there's so little preconceived ideas about church on an app. So most people, I'll tell you our experience, most people are like 100%. Y'all check it out. That's cool. Wow, this is awesome. Like, and you could show it to them real quick to hairdresser, Hey, check this out.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 31:40 Oh, that's kind of cool. So, we're thinking digital really is a great first step. So I'll give you an example right now on Sundays and if you come to one of our buildings, if you raise your hand or respond in some way to say, I want to follow Jesus, you know, we have our assimilation steps, workflows and it's usually a simple, ours are very low compared to most churches, but it's usually as simple as, Hey, we've got people that are next steps bar in the lobby. We have prayer on tap in the lobby. You go check it out. And, you know, we'd love to connect with you. We've got a couple of different things people can do. Well we would like to do is build our technology out appropriately so that whether you're in your barber shop or you are at church, the first step is the exactly the same.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 32:29 Download the app and tell us a little bit about yourself. So we're going to build out kind of a space where, the onboarding process is as us giving know that user and then that space will really allow us the ability to engage with them customized and kind of help them find their next step and engagement. So regardless of whether you're going to building or you're engaging from a barber shop three states away, the goal is that once you download this app and you go through kind of an opening process, it'll immediately connect to you into a space, a smaller space where you can engage with other users around your location. So you can start to get to know people. And then hopefully eventually you naturally get to know them online. You'd be like, Hey, do you want to meet up at a coffee shop? I'd love to get to know you more. So, but we hope that's actually gonna revolutionize the people who come to our buildings also that the same thing will happen. There'll be put in a small space with a group of people that live, you know, in the Redmond area around them. Maybe they all work at Microsoft and be like, Hey, let's grab lunch during our lunch break today. I, you know, I've met you on this digitally. Let's meet in person now.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:35 So the app drives, it connects people who are geographically, similar, and connects them together to, in hopes of creating some sort of a biblical community. What I mean in using church language here, but what else? Like with the app at all, I know a lot of times and physical brick and mortar, it's like there's next step classes, 101, 201, 301, 401, you know, Connect to God, others, serving, mission, you know, just different strategies that are out there. Do you guys implement any of those strategies on your app or those strategies in the physical church? Like, what are those processes kinda look like for you?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 34:19 Well, let me preface this with that. With this first to the guy who launched it, one of the top investors for Airbnb and the guy who launched PayPal said, if you're not embarrassed by the first expression of your technology, you've launched too late. So, there are aspects of our app that I so wish were already better and were better from the beginning, but we took that as a premise to go, let's go, let's get out there and we'll make it better as we go. It is getting more systematized and strategic. Up front, we've just put all that content on there and we've allowed an on demand version of chat in all those spaces. So I mean, just so we really just boil it down and simple. So we have our grow classes on there. We have content about how to get baptized and the basics of what we believe about biblical baptism.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 35:07 And we encourage people to do it. And here's what we see biblically as that is the base that you need. Go do it and let us know, like we're also here, come to our church, come to our building if you want. But we also believe that the Bible gives preference for this over here if you do it in this way. So we have that content on there. Yes, with kind of some of this new stuff that I was just describing that we're trying to get better at, cause we're trying to use the technology to help kind of lead somebody through those steps. You know, if you're engaging and you, and you want to step into leadership, it's a very clear what to do and all of that is at your fingertips. And we want it to be in an engaging space where you're simultaneously engaging with humans, not just digital content and, and going through checking off boxes because as we all know, the devil can do that and he can be leading in our church.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 36:02 So, but at the same time, there's just a massive level of trust also. So, you know, we also really believe in, you know, doing everything we can with all those different processes, but, also leading a space for people to step in and give it a go. So other things like volunteering, a lot of it is around chat and communication. Like we haven't integrated at this point, like functional stuff that typical church things do. But I will say this, if you don't think about church via how to make Sunday happen, but you make church more around like engagement and community, volunteering looks totally different. It's not about getting volunteers at a door on Sunday. It's about people serving their neighbors and it's about people doing different. So we are high on that.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 36:55 We have these things called uplift projects and we do global uplift projects. And so like when the wildfires hit California, we did a response event last fall where we literally did a live event Q and R for 30 minutes. And we just tried to raise money for a week. We picked an organization, it was the firefighters and you know, a lot of this is around around finances, but, we literally brought three people on live that their houses burned down. We interviewed them, we talked to them about what the experience is like and it was, it's on our app right now, so you have all that on demand. So there's lots of opportunities like that, but then we also encourage people to start just like a group. We encourage them to start what we call uplift groups, which are basically like service oriented, volunteer oriented, things. So getting out and impacting your city, impacting your world. So it's really more around resourcing and empowering people to go do than it is around, like trying to collect people and having an organization systems that help make Sunday happen.
  
    
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  Rey De Armas: 38:04 Mark, that's fantastic. Kind of begs the question a little bit, and I know you guys got a physical location in Los Angeles, as well. Do you have online digital communities that end up resulting in physical locations or not? Not locations in the sense of a physical campus, but outside of Seattle and outside of LA. Like in terms of these connections, is that happening with Churchome?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 38:24 Yeah, we're, it, it organically has happened. Yeah. and we're in beta beta mode of that. Meaning, we're exploring that ourselves. So we have a handful. We probably have more than that, that we know of too, but some that we're engaging with. We have one in Seattle, there's an area in Seattle called Bainbridge Island. So it's literally an Island that's that you have to take a boat to get to Seattle and it's Island life. Like people don't want to leave the Island. It's a couple of, that's just hardcore that did commute to our church hour and a half. But when this happened, they're like, awesome. We can just invite people into our home. So they just did it. We didn't tell them to and we're like, awesome. You know, it's kind, kinda crazy about this.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 39:14 Same thing about digital being a first impression. I went. So I've been to their, they're on our app. We're calling them like a group at this point, but they do join our live gathering. They meet in their home, they worship together. They, they always cook food. He's a professional musician so he like has a studio in his house and they live out of their house. Literally a really artistic couple. And all of the people, I can almost promise you this, all the people that have come to their group wouldn't in no way ever get on a ferry and ever come to one of our buildings. They are not church people. They're kind of spiritual. So when their friends said, Hey, we're doing this thing at our house, it's about Jesus, come over. They're like, yeah, we'll come support you there. I mean, people are open but coming to a church building especially, it's an hour and a half drive.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 40:07 Like that's for the committed. And this is a small community, just, to be honest, like most church planters aren't going like, let's go there. Like it's, so we have a community like that there. We have one, in Dallas that started, which I know we're all like, there's tons of churches in Dallas, but but it organically happens. So we got around it. It was this couple that literally they listened to our podcast, liked our pastor, liked our culture and they literally prayed. They showed us this in their journal. They're a younger couple and they said, Hey, we're praying for you that we're going to find a church within a year and we're praying that we'll find a church just like Churchome that was literally in their journal. The next week we announced our app and they were like, Oh my word.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 40:53 Let's start a group within two weeks, because of the app, they had over 40 people come to their group that they'd never met. It started in a cafe cause they didn't want a bunch of strangers showing up their house and they literally meet every week now. They've had baptisms. They've had people give their lives to Jesus weekly, like raise their hand at the same time if people are in our physical buildings. We are, we're presently constantly talking to them cause we want to learn from them more than we're asking them to learn from us. Primarily more about what's the experience like what are the pain points you're having? We're also clearly at the same time just giving them culture and DNA, every chance we have. But yeah, we're, we're an exploration process in that. So when people are starting them, we're wanting to more hear from them and see what's happening and, we're kind of seeing where that goes.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 41:49 I know we had, Danny from Elevation Church on and she's the Watch Party Pastor and she talked a lot about kind of what you're, you're describing at least elevation spin on that and they're constantly evolving and experimenting with that model over there. Like Dallas, what does that service look like? How are you training these people? Quality control, like that's two time zones away from you on the West coast. What is the practicalness of that worship experience look like?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 42:21 So what I say right now could be completely different in six months. So we're literally in a place where we're just starting to lean in to go, okay, let's collect a handful of these and let's learn from them. Let's go to them. Let's experience it with them. It's just so different than I, it's funny, I'm talking about using a digital tool and right now we're, you know, communicating over a computer but it takes from a pastor, it's so different when you meet in person. That's why we want our digital tool to lead to in person. So we want to go to them, we want to learn from them but what's happening right now is this, we have weekly communication with them because they want it. They are communicating with us via text. We have a Google hangout with all of our, what we call our global group leaders.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 43:07 So we have, we do have groups. All of them are engaging at different levels but we have groups that are meeting in I think 80 different cities worldwide and we actually do a Google hangout with all of those leaders. And it's like a leaders meeting. We talk culture, we talk, we ask, we have a Q &amp;amp; A time with them. They ask us questions. Obviously some of them are engaging with us more than others. and so that's what kind of the support structure looks like, but we really hope to build that out quite a bit moving forward. Second, how the services look like they get together, there's usually some food when they're hanging out. And then we have service that's scheduled at 6:00 PM Pacific time. So for them, that's 8:00 PM. So when it comes on, they just airplay it to their TV.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 43:59 We're working on, we would like to, it just comes down to priorities, build a Roku and Apple TV app so they can just, it's, it's embedded in there, but in the meantime, Chromecast is on there. And so we're, you know, working on casting abilities, but they cast it on their TV and they literally watch the same experience. At this point we might do a different customized version for in home. but right now it's exact same experience if you were just taking it on the phone and on the phone we have a highly moderated chat area and it's fascinating and very beginning, we have, what's our called our digital lobby. It literally looks like our services. So our services are unique, not like most churches. We worship at the end, we sing at the end, we preach at the beginning.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 44:45 So yes, I know it's very different. But when we start it, it happened unplanned. When we started our LA community, which we never planned doing, it started in a home, which is funny. Literally Judah was down there with, a friend of his, it's an industry and he said, Hey, you're in town for a speaking engagement, will you do a Bible study in my house? And they invited people that would not normally go to church. And Judah has a gift, definitely for communication, especially with unchurched people. And that night there was like probably like 12 or 15 people and like two thirds of the room responded to give their lives to Jesus. And it was one of those moments like, wow, that was God. And of course there was no music. Of course there was nothing. It was in a house and he got up and talked and so quickly, these are very unchurched people.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 45:33 So if we started with like a song at the beginning, they would've been like, where are we? So that whole community in LA for a year and it grew to like 300. It was literally Judah hopping on a plane every Wednesday preaching and leaving. And we would meet in a hotel ballroom with a microphone. That was it. And it grew to several hundred people. And then we started introducing music at the end because it just felt right to be honest with all the people in the room, none of them had any experience in a church setting, like zero. And, so we've used that to kind of reflect what, you know, we think we can give some biblical precedents. We don't think it's like that level, but, you know, we believe that worship as a response to the gospel. And so that's why we do it.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 46:17 But it's also, a disarming. So literally if you come to one of our services online or in person, let's say it starts at nine, 9:03, that preachers up there, let's open our Bibles and you're going and then it leads to singing and then like some close comments and giving and stuff like that. So we have a digital lobby, it's like 10 minutes to chat and everybody's like, Hey, I'm here from Brazil. I'm here for, it's, it's pretty fun cause you got people from all over the world, that are checking in. And so there's a, a chat where we, we are super social are, we're like a family. We're Churchome. So we're very social. half the time when the communicator gets out, he's like, okay, we're starting like literally. So people look around. It's like, Oh, I guess I should sit down now. And, so people sit down and then we start, then the communicators start speaking and it leads into music and it leads into, response time and all that time has got some chat in there. You can turn the chat off if you turn your phone to landscape mode or you can keep it on if you keep it up. So if whichever one you prefer but it seems great.
  
    
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  Rey De Armas: 47:30 So this is amazing. I know that in a lot of rights it's innovative. Are there any other churches or church movements that you guys are learning from right now?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 47:39 Yeah, we learn different things from different people. Of course, you're not going to be surprised by the people I bring up, but in the church world, obviously Elevation, what they're doing is unbelievable. And I'm friends with a few of the people there. Life.Church, Craig is kind of like an uncle to pastor Judah, to our pastors. So he's constantly encouraging him in his innovation. When we launched the app, you know, Craig was right there cheering them on. You know, I would say those two are some of the top, I'm friends with a few other online pastors. So like the pastoral engagement part. You know, Saddleback, I know they've been doing online groups for a long time. We've learned something from them, but when it comes to the technology platform, to be honest, we're learning from people that are not church people.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 48:33 The way this started was an entrepreneur that went to church twice a year, was home sick in November and he turned the TV on and watched church on TV and he's a very successful, smart entrepreneur. And he goes, the church hasn't updated their technology since 1970. That was, he's like, they're still using broadcast TV. They haven't even started using mobile technology. And so he got this idea as an entrepreneur, I want to build mobile technology like the church has never seen. And so for him it's a business but, credible guy and he is in LA and he actually reached out to us. He started talking with us and they're the ones that are developed this, with us and for us, it's an incredible partnership, but none of them, I mean, none of them are church people. They've all become Jesus followers.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 49:32 But it's funny, they'll challenge our strategies all the time. Like last week I was talking to them about a group's kind of what a lot of a lot of us do new year, like a groups initiative. And they're like, why do you do that? And I explain it to them in there and then immediately when they ask the question, I start getting in their frame of reference and I'm like, there's so many better ways we could be doing this. And so I will, to be honest, I would say we actually learning a lot more from Silicon Valley then we are learning from churches.
  
    
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  Rey De Armas: 50:05 In many ways, shouldn't that be the case? I think that's wonderful that you guys have the humility to admit that because, you know, you kinda challenged this thought earlier. We get stuck in our own perspective, in our own way. Well, this is the way it's always been done. Therefore it's the always is the way it always should be done. And, it seems like you are challenging that. How are you guys creating content to engage folks in the midweek that's connected to the weekend? Cause I know that's a big part of what it is that you're doing and that's just gotta be there. That's gotta create a tremendous amount of tension for you. So tell me about that.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 50:40 So right now we have what's called a daily spark. So maybe we have a daily one, minute and a half and it is curated. It is intentional. I wouldn't say it's always like echoing what's being said on Sunday. Exactly. But I will say this, once again, this is just our community but we preach Jesus every Sunday. So it almost doesn't matter what you're talking about, it always ties in together. We do have a daily thing, called daily spark. That's also something that we are, you know, continuing to try to make better, more engaging, more interactive and more, when I say engaging, I'm not talking about engaging with other people, I'm talking about engaging with Jesus and there's a lot of content out there. So we want something that really makes, that really helps you facilitate a moment with Jesus.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 51:35 So we're, there's actually some sneak peak stuff on there right now called guided prayers. That's like about a four to five minutes. And it's literally that like helping people. And I'll tell you what, I've been praying and read my Bible for 25 years daily, obviously not every day, but you get what I'm saying. And I found these personally, like so engaging in a world that is full of distractions. I've found my prayer life is so easy. Like I have to focus so much more and maybe people are more spiritual than me, but I've had to fight for focus in my time in the Bible, in my time talking to God more just because of the culture we live in now. Life is so fast paced and because of the digital tools that we have, and I'll say these five to five to eight minute guided prayers have been really helpful for me cause it's, it's just suddenly like, think about this right now, say this out loud, think about how Jesus is embracing you right now. You know, like it's pretty awesome. So we hope that those are going to be a real tool to help people. Once again, our church exists to point people to Jesus, not to our message. So the daily content is pointed towards that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 52:56 From a practical standpoint, is that Judah, is that lead pastor, who's in your daily minute? Like who are the people doing the content?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 53:05 So the daily sparks, right. The daily sparks all started out as Judah and Chelsea. We shot them all in two days, like a month like literally they just did two days straight content. Nailed it. And then we started doing like response with sparks. Like where it'd be like a selfie spark where he just pull his phone out and do it. If something, like a tragedy, we still do these like the day of he'll stop, he'll say something about it, pray it and we'll post it. So it did start out primarily as Jude and Chelsea. Then we've started bringing in, a handful of our community and we've been intentional about different voices, different ages, you know, diversity, inclusive, inclusivity, different perspectives though guided prayers, are, once again, it's just another piece of content. We'll see what happens. But they're doing those right now too.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 54:00 And let me ask this. Probably the biggest problem that with churches that are doing something similar or trying to do something similar to what you're doing, groups creating physical community, creating community online, utilizing a church online or a digital transmission. A is this idea of church in isolation. And you mentioned that earlier, you don't, the goal of church home isn't to have a bunch of people staring at their iPhones, experiencing church. The goal is to create community. How are, create new communities and in different areas an Island that you're not able to, to plant a church. Dallas, you know, wherever they may be. How are you able to get people away from isolation, staring at the phones? Like is this geographical thing you were talking about earlier? Is that the only way you're doing it? Are there other methods that you're using to pull people out of isolation into a new community?
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 54:53 Yeah, that's a good question. And I'll take a stab at it. It starts with the heart and the focus that that's the goal of this. So when we're shaping and making content and we're shaping and making strategy, we're focusing on that. I don't know if number one, there's, we can't control people. We can't force them but, we are definitely trying to, from the very inception, from the launch of this app, we said this is all the build tab. The word we used was just funny, tactile relationships. Now we're kind of saying face to face engagement. Engagement is not a new thing on app, but face to face engagement, you know, leading to that is, is not the tool of a lot of, well there are some dating apps around that. But, so yeah, I will say this digital device.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 55:48 We didn't know in the beginning, but it has led to a lot of isolation. It just has. But I think God's redeemed a lot of things to use them too, for other purposes. So we're saying rather than hiding from it, let's redeem it and use it to, to remove isolation. So yeah, I would say how we're doing that is probably in our messaging we're building, we're trying to constantly think of, of new strategies to help facilitate that. what we're learning from people that are meeting in person. Once we've learned more from them, we'll probably the technology to support that better, to help facilitate that better. But, I know for myself in the past, I've got the cart before the horse, way too many times I've got an idea. I think it's great. And then we put all this work into it and then, and then people really actually don't care about it or want it. But the way great organizations and businesses do it is they try things and they listen. They take feedback and then they adjust and they adapt. And as they do that, so our goal is not changing. It's the goal that's been since the beginning of the church point people to Jesus, let community swell as a result and then help people step up to lead that community. And so we didn't create a vision. It's already established in the Bible. We're just trying to find tools to help facilitate it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 57:11 I heard Clay Scroggins once at a conference and he said that the, the digital disruption, the business world looks at the digital disruption as an opportunity. The church looks at it as an obstacle to run away from. And so you, you know, maybe learning something from the business side out on the West coast, but also trying to take advantage of these tools to create a community, to create disciples, to connect people to God. Rey, did you have any, anything questions as we're wrapping how I landed in the plane?
  
    
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  Rey De Armas: 57:43 Ah, I love this Mark. I hope we can have you on again just cause I feel like I learned a lot and I hope everybody listening learned a lot as well. And just hearing your heart and your passion for innovation and you know, you've heard us say this before. Once again, folks, try, just try, get out there and try something. And if you get mocked forward, if, if, you know, if folks don't like, if they don't appreciate it, that's okay. Just keep trying and keep tweaking at it because it really is about reaching folks for Christ. Just like Mark is doing.
  
    
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  Mark Venti: 58:10 I'll land a land the plane on a few scriptures cause that's very spiritual and probably appropriate, but that's what the early church did. They seems good to us and the Holy spirit to set you apart. I think we got to do more things. It's like, I think it's going to be good. It seems like it's going to be good. I think God's saying this to me, so let's give it a try. And I love, I think it's the original living translation. That it's an ecclesiastic scripture, but it says, if you, if you wait for perfect conditions, you'll never get anything done. And it's just never going to be cookie cutter. This is never going to be a formula. We're working with people, we're building a community, not an organization. And I can't wait for perfect conditions. We gotta give it a try. And I promise you this, if we talk again someday, I will contradict myself, then we will have learned new things. We will change things we're doing right now. And I'll say, Oh yeah, remember when I said that I completely disagree with myself. And I think that's part of learning and growing and I want to be that type of Jesus follower that I'm humble enough to go, I had that completely wrong. And I think we do apply that to our strategies as a church too.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 59:22 Awesome. I mean, I don't know anything better than I can say to land the plane. So Mark, thank you for joining us today. Rey, thanks for jumping on as well. This is Jeff with The Church.Digital. Thanks for being here and we'll here you or see you or whatever next time. Y'all have a good day.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey, Jeff here, with The Church Digital. I'm excited about Episode 28. We're talking about a topic we don't normally hit on in context with church online with the podcast here but it's something that's near and dear to my heart. It's really an underlying theme of all of these podcasts that we've done along the way. And no, we're not going to talk about Spiderman and his return back into the Marvel cinematic universe. He was hardly gone. And now he's back. I just wanted to take a moment here publicly on the podcast to thank Marvel, thank Disney, thank Sony for getting together, for figuring out how to make this thing work, for signing the deal. Everybody's happy, everybody's making money and we get Spiderman, one or two more movies in the Marvel cinematic universe and we'll have to see what other crossovers come down the road.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:48 But this is not a Marvel podcast while kinda is on the side, but it's not normally a Marvel podcast. So, let's talk about Church Online. What I want to hit on today, really centers around this idea of the word engagement. And so, cause honestly I believe that engagement has really lost its meaning or it has so many meetings right now that people don't really understand what the core of engagement is. And to that end, I want to bring in Seth Muse. Seth is a Communications Director. And long story short, he had on his Instagram account maybe a couple of weeks ago, arguably the greatest single Instagram post I've ever seen in my life. Okay. Maybe that's a little overstating, but it was really good and an encapsulated, a lot of what I've been wrestling with in the past couple of years of how it highlighted the two types of different, in his context, social media posts.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:45 But in my context, I'd say in context of church online, what we're communicating, even not even church online, but church overall, there's two different types of communications. And to his point, post type number one are posts that where it's communication that's centered around us as a church and the second type of communication that he highlighted is the types of communication that highlight the listener, the reader, the audience is designed to engage the people where they are. You see, sometimes in church we think by talking about a sermon series or talking about inviting through a social media post to some event, we think that that's, that's engagement when that's really not engagement. Engagement is when we listen to the people that when we try to cram information towards them and drive them onto our property, physical or virtual for church online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 02:49 And so this is what I want to do. I want to have a conversation where we dig in and try to figure out what engagement really is and how we as a church, we as church online can do better at engaging online. So welcome, Seth Muse from Hope Fellowship, to the conversation myself, Jeff Reed, from The Church Digital in a conversation on redefining engagement. Everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 03:17 For me, I think the church is so, when social media really started, it was a promotional deal. I mean it was like put yourself out there kind of thing. And there really wasn't any rhyme or reason to what was going on. It was just chaos. And we saw it as like, Hey, I put things out there, people will see it. But it's so not the case anymore and you have to be more strategic now. And it's just so much harder to, to be seen and noticed. And what people tend to stop scrolling on is important and they scroll on things badly. We're sinners, stuff that's kind of about them. Yeah, it makes them feel good. So that's kind of where I was. I was literally writing some things down for an audit I was doing for one of a couple of art channels and I just wanted to see what kind of content we were posting. And I had these columns that were like, let's see. I probably shouldn't have thrown that away. Probably going, you use that today, but it had like a scripture posts or like encouragement, inspiration, advertisement, what else was it? Oh like a promotional deal. Like come sign up for this thing cause some of our, and it would be like, I could check some of those more than once for one post.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 04:28 Right. Cause we covered a couple of boxes. And when I was looking at it, I was like, I naturally just divided it into these columns without realizing it and went, oh my gosh, these are about us and these are about them. I was like, that's clear. I'm gonna write that down on the board before I forget it. So I started to brainstorm and that's what I came up with and I was like, somebody might want to see that and here we are.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 04:51 Well and and even the word engagement, like it's been lost over over the years or it's been watered down and means so many different things that it's like, Oh yeah, I'm engaging people by and I'm overstating here to prove a point. But I'm engaging people by shoving my agenda towards them and getting them to process, you know, my new sermon series or this event and just to step back and to realize that that's not really engagement when we're forcing our agenda or our motives towards them, engagement is them.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:29 And while that may work in a church building with people that already bought in, like we know that doesn't work with, with outsiders, with people who are, who are cold to the idea of church or, or even to God. It was funny, like we're, this is just an off story. One of the things that I'm doing right now, I'm consulting with a church that's getting ready to launch a multisite, in an area there's not a lot of churches, there hasn't been a lot of success in churches here in Miami. And so I'm project managing, I'm helping, you know, with some logistics and some things like that. And so we had an opportunity, to sit down and it's happening in a school, so the multisite is going to be to set up and tear down in a school.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:19 So, so true there where online kind of can feed into that as a front door as that first level of, of like your lobby or guest services even engaging on that. But it's amazing what happens where when you don't try to push the agenda or the strategy or the model, but instead step back and listen to what people are looking for, what they need, how, you know, you may be trying to meet them at this level when in fact people are, you know, they're not, to your point, the person who may already be turned off or against church, might be looking for another engagement point, another relational point that's not going to be solved by your most recent, sermon series. That's not going to be, there may be there's a marriage thing they're struggling with or something in its instead of pushing an agenda, it's listening to where the people are in, in doing that. And that's the thing that I think online does so well, is that you're able to turn the corner and meet people where they are
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 11:21 And they're not gonna type in your sermon series title to Google. They're not, they're not looking for that. They're not looking for like, you know, I don't know, whatever series you got, I forget like, At the movies, they're not really looking for that on Google. They're looking for, you know, fixing marriage or, you know, dealing with difficult kids and you know, they're typing in keywords that are not going to bring your sermon series up online. And that's where they're going for help. They're not thinking, let's call someone at the, on the church on the telephone, and talk to a real person who is a pastor because that's not what they see as the go to for, for help. So they're going to go online and they're going to start to YouTube and they're going to search Google and which are the number, no, not the right order, but one and two search engines in the more on the world and a how to in Google is like the number one hit phrase. It's how to do stuff. The university of YouTube, you know, so they're gonna find it there and they're gonna they're not looking for us at the church. So it's like we're trying, we have to figure out as a church, how do, instead of, cause they're not coming to us. How do we get to them and how do we think about them? And I think this is what Jesus always did.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 12:39 He always went to them. He never sat around and just waited for people to show up. He was moving and they followed him. You know, the intentionality of follow me is that the thing you're following is moving, you know, and it's like you've got to move with them to stay with them. And so things are always going to be changing. Things are out. Methods are always going to be moving. The crowd is always going to be, you know, morphing into something and you have to constantly be moving with it or you stand still and you're left behind. And that's what I think happens to a lot of churches. We find a model that makes us comfortable. Okay. And it has some success, but then the model moves and the culture moves and we don't move with it. And so we miss so many people.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 13:23 And I think that's the big deal with online that a lot of pastors, you know, are maybe missing if they're against it, is that it's not a replacement of your in person stuff. It's a, it's an extension of it. It's an, it's and and it brings people in. It connects with them where they are. It makes a bridge, you know, and it goes to where they are. So I feel like I have a lot of strong feelings about this. But you know, cause I really wanna like I really believe that, you know, the, the mandate for Christians is to go, it's not to, you know, plant and stay and put up like the bat signal with a cross in it and think that somebody is going to show up and it just doesn't work like that. Especially now.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:58 It's like traditionalist with baseball of, well no, you can't add that because Babe Ruth didn't have to deal with that in 1920 when he won, you know, and, and all of a sudden you go through all the historical context that in all of this and it's like, well, no, the, the game is like the world has changed around the game of baseball and all of a sudden you need to do things to keep the game to be relevant. It's not, the game doesn't change. I don't know that the roles necessarily change, but how the games presented should be. And, and church similarly, the goal, if the goal was your Sunday service, then you had the wrong goal for years. Like the goal wasn't the service, the service was the method for the end game, which was the gospel. which is that discipleship piece.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 15:44 And so realizing that we're called to make disciples, go and make disciples. Your referenced Seth, you know, we've got this, this great challenge to, to evolve because the world is evolving faster than ever before the church is drug goals to realize that. Yeah. And at the my favorites, the, Oh well let's, let's change our services. People are only coming once a month. You know, maybe, maybe if we're lucky we can get them to, and it's, I'm just, I'm always like turn the game on on its, on its side. Like dude, look at it from a completely different viewpoint. Figure out how to make disciples 168 hours a week, engaging people when they, where they are instead of trying to drag people into a building that they don't want to go to.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 16:29 Yeah. And that's how, that's how, like I struggle with this because I think I see social in a way that many leaders who are in pastoral positions don't, and this is, this is, I think the disconnect on communications is looking at this post, you know, it's like we can see it as us and them type posts, but for a pastor, I think they see it as all inclusive. Like all of them are us and they're part of us. And there's a misunderstanding that social is a thing that's meant to advertise and to get people to move to some, I see social as a tool for our ministry. Like almost like it's, it's like a small little slice of church that we can put out and have a conversation about every day or a couple times a day.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 17:19 You know, it's like if I put out a scripture, we can talk about it or they can at least hear it. I mean, what's different than that than a pastor standing on a stage and saying the scripture, they don't respond. I mean, they're sitting there in the seat, they're listening. There's no engagement, you know, in a worship service while the pastor speaking, they're just considering what he's saying. They're listening. unless they're opening a peppermint and everybody's watching that and listen to that cause that's allows thing in the world. But you know, they're like, what are you really getting there that you get online? You know, when, when someone passes some information along, if it's just information. And so there's this thing that's like, there's so many similarities between how social can be a culture creating tool, a ministry of discipleship tool, maybe not an evangelism tool that's kinda tough, but you know, like it can be something that encourages people to live life.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 18:12 Like Jesus wants them to live and isn't that good? Like why is that not good enough to do that there? We can only do that in person. Yeah, no, that makes no sense to me because I see it happening and it's like the culture has already accepted this as a mode for learning, for growing, for inspiration. And we know this because there are so many people whose theology is based on, not scripture, but Instagram post about scripture that are way out of context, that are made by people that are explaining it in really crazy ways. And the church is not in that space. You know, if you're concerned about theology then put some there, you know, it's like do that there and make some posts about growing them and all it happens is they read it and are inspired and learn and grow and they don't have to click anything or come to anything.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 19:08 Yeah. I remember Dave Adamson, you know, out of North Point, he did this experiment and he put it on social media. It was the, I think he was trying to search for, help me how to pray or tell me how to pray or I don't know how to pray. And so, like he did a search for that in YouTube and, and just, he started reporting on what was coming up and it was, I think out of the first 20, 30, 40, there were no, no churches at all. It was Jimbo A, Susie B, just random people and first off, like congratulations to those people. Thank you for, you know, creating content that they triggered that. And I don't want it that I don't want to take, you know, their online or their ministry and packed away.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:00 But there's a huge opportunity. As a matter of fact, the first church person that popped up, was actually Joyce Meyer. So she came up, but it wasn't official. Joyce Meyer ministry, somebody just ripped a Joyce Meyer video and put it on there. So even in the first, whatever it was, it was multiple pages worth of results before you finally got down to the, the church taking an opportunity to, to speak into that. And, and, and when I, when I've told that story, when I tell that story to churches and it's like, here's the opportunity, you have to speak into it. Their engagement towards the people of YouTube to the community of YouTube to those online. It's, yeah. You know what, we're just, those aren't, those aren't the people we're trying to reach. We're trying to reach the people within our, within our block, within 20 miles of our church, within our city. You know, within the little town that we live in. It's, it's geographically limited to that scope. Like churches don't look at online as a mission field yet. I'm generalizing, there are churches that do that, but, but yeah.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 21:06 It's not part of the strategy. It's something extra. Like if the social media person, a website person all were fired, the church would be like, we're okay. We can outsource that. It's not like, Oh my gosh, we lost our youth pastor. You know? And that's kind of what it really is, is that you've lost someone that connects you to a wide world that have a lot of people that will find you there in your city that may not have known your existence. Because most search in Google and on YouTube is localized. It's if you're searching for how do I fix my marriage, it's probably going to serve up something that you're either connected to already or it, if there's nothing there, it'll try to connect you to, I know definitely will Google it does, it's maybe on YouTube, but it'll definitely connect you to stuff that is near you because they want those meaningful relationships and connections to happen.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 21:57 And so if we had just leverage that platform and use keywords that people are actually searching for that have our clever and creative titles as the keyword, then will actually be found and people will connect with us. And it's like that's the new mission field. That's the new evangelism is SEO and Google, you know, and being found on YouTube. Dave Adamson is a friend and I love that guy. He actually said, he doesn't believe that church attendance is decreasing. He believes it's decentralizing the community that you have, the culture of people that you have in your church. They're counting attendance as watching online. They're counting attendance as going and physically being there. They're counting church attendance as being in their small group that we can do and nothing else. It's like I'm going and investing in my spiritual life with Christ. Well, somewhere they're probably doing it once a week at the most, unless they have a regular like personal time or whatever.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 22:56 When they're going and connecting something, they're counting online as one of those attendance points and churches are not, we're not counting that. We're saying that's a doorway to actual attendance. That's kind of how we phrase it and really not phrase it that way, but that's how we think about it. It's like we have online, that's great, but really what we care about is butts and seats when that's not what they care about. They will come to church once every four to six weeks in our counting. But in their counting, they watched online twice and showed up once they came three times. You see what I'm saying? They're the culture's understanding of attendance is different. And even our people's understanding of attendance is different than the pastoral leadership in the churches who are theologically debating whether or not that it's like they've already decided it counts.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 23:48 And so we're not responding to that. And so they show up. And what we hear sometimes from pastors is they actually downplay online attendance and they say, we want, that's great, but we want you to have, you know, be here and yeah, you're going to miss community. Yeah, you're gonna miss things. But they have community. They had their small groups, you know, they have their friend groups, they had their baseball team, parent group or whatever, and they don't understand how it's different. And so we're missing that connection. But for them it's always going to be like, Hey, I showed, I watch church online. I set aside time to sit and watch something for 45 minutes to an hour and a half. That's me attending because I gave you my attention. And that's what we don't understand. Attendance is not what people is, what not valuable anymore.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 24:33 Attention is valuable and that's what they're there. Basically. The, the price of attendant of doing something is not how much of my attendance is going to be needed. It's like, nah, I'm not even gonna think about that. How much of my attention are you gonna get? And churches are not thinking in terms of attention. They're thinking in terms of attendance still and physically being somewhere. And I mean, I don't even have to be physically in a store to shop anymore. Why would I have to physically be in your church? It's like, I know the theological differences. I know why that's, that's not the same, but they don't, you know, and, and in our attempts to educate them, it just makes them feel guilty for doing it. And then they don't want to come at all. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:16 Yeah. It's, and we're in this position right where where culture is, is shifting and the church often struggles to adjust to it, to adapt to it. How do we turn the corner? Like what in your, in your mind with your advice like Seth, how does somebody, you know, maybe right now there, there's an online, pastor, there's an online volunteer, there's somebody that wants to turn the corner either in social media, church, online, digital communication, something where it's, Hey, I need to, we need to engage more. We need to start focusing more on that side of the coin. Start to worry more about them and less about us.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 26:01 Man, I think it starts from the top. Your senior leadership has to understand that. And so if they're not there yet, it's part of our job. You know, this guy, Clay Scroggins stuff like leading up, right? You have to, you have to educate. You have to investigate and bring things to them, help them understand this is what's happening on here. That's kind of our job, right? In communications or creativity in creative departments or whatever. If we're working in the web world or online world, it's, this is our, our job is to help those that really aren't in that, that don't care. I mean, your pastor might be great at it, but he's not in it. Like we are, right. Like even some of the ones that are most involved. So it's our job to bring that to them and help them see the value of the ministry that take place.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 26:43 Because I find that pastors don't really care about stats. They care about stories. They care about people. Life changed. It's like that's what they got into this for. And so for us as, you know, creative leaders or you know, maybe we're pastors, I'm not sure, but, um, you know, we have to bring that into the end of the story for them to help them see like this is not an either or ministry. This is and ministry. And the biggest hurdle to that is finances. And so I always, always say that, you can look at your budget at a church and see what you really care about and you can really tell like, what is your priority as a ministry? And often the budget has tons of money going into the weekend service and no money going into the week.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 27:26 You know, like that. And I'm not even talking to online, I'm talking about Bible studies and classes and you know, home groups, there's no money resourcing staffing for that or volunteer training for that. There's no money going into the creative space or social media or ads or your website. It's like, let's just do what we have cause that stuff's kind of expensive. Let's be honest. Our world is kind of expensive. So we ha we were like, we're putting a ton of money, like hundreds of thousands of dollars into our sound system that will only affect those that show up but you know, $1,000 a year into social media ads that will, that affects so many people every week for 52 weeks out of the year, you know and not just 52 days out of the year, you know, you're just being on Sunday. So, um, that's a huge difference.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 28:12 And I think that if you can't shift your budget around, then it's always going to be an uphill battle to start including the online world as part of your ministry strategy. Because I think that's the real goal is getting everyone on board to see that when people are here or when people are connecting with us elsewhere online, it's a person they matter and when we should care about them the same as if they were standing right in front of us in real life. How would we do ministry if that were the case? We thought about them that way. It's changing the picture that we have in our mind of what constitutes ministry. I use air quotes when I say that. What constitutes ministry? It's not just what we've known as we do a service, it's excellent. It's so good. People can't help but show up and then they, we send them on and we try to connect them to the small groups and Bible studies that actually meet in person.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 29:03 It's like there is a whole world of stuff of connection that matters to our communities that we can invest in and it's going to take investment. You need people and you need money and they have to have time and it's cause all of that. Just like a real relationship. It just takes time to cultivate, you know? And so I think there's, there's a couple of steps to it. It's not easy. It's not simple. It's not even often clear on most of our most of our churches. But if we keep those goals in front of us, then we're, and we all understand the goal is the same. I think that's where the big hangup for most churches are, is that the communication department sees some needs and ends up goals that aren't shared by pastoral staff and pastoral staff so you need and goals that aren't shared by the communication staff who are doing all these online things.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 29:50 And so getting those people in the room to say, what is our church doing in ministry? And seeing communications as a ministry and not as a service department is a huge mind shift that has to happen and it has to happen on the, it's not just pastors too, it's communicators seeing ourselves that way and owning some of that space. I mean, when people respond to me on Facebook to our church, that's me responding. I, I'm the one social media guy for our main channels. Then we have some others that help with some of our students and kids and whatever volunteers. We have a, we've launched a massive Facebook group strategy and we published that. We're actually running some contest right now and I have the campus pastors doing it, but without their buy-in, all of that fails, you know, and they've just seen how good it can be because we launched a campus with nobody that, you know, didn't have a building, still doesn't have a building.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 30:43 Yeah. And we, we started a Facebook group. It had 200 people in it. Actually. Somebody else started it. I just took it over and then we branded it up, made it good, gave it to our pastor. I ran him through how to work it, you know, how to do content and like just use your phone, just get in there and be real with people. And it has over a thousand people in it now. That was six months ago, you know, and the reason it did that is because they're excited about what's going on in their community. We're coming there, but we were talking about them the whole time and that's what they're pumped about.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:15 Yeah. And that's, I've, I've struggled with this over the years, with not about one church, multiple churches, you know, to things that you just kinda hit on there. Is it creative communication, is it a ministry or is it a service department? You know, are we, are we ministering or are we executing the, the directives of, of the pastors and in ministers with that? And like, I, I know, um, honestly in my lifespan, like I've landed on both side of the coin where I'm like, guys, we're a ministry. Like, you know, let's, let's, let's run that way. And sometimes, honestly, I've been like, Hey, like we're just following the lead of, of, of the pastors with that and let's set aside, you know, some of our own agenda and ideas for now and let's just focus on serving. And so there's different sides of that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:02 But the, the biggest tension that I feel, and, and I've run into this honestly, within the past week where I was talking with the online pastor who had created a group for the church online. And so basically with the church online was, it was Facebook group. It was, so they were doing the broadcast rather than doing connection cards. Like they funneled everybody into that group. but in the group then they were engaging relationally. They were connecting. They were trying to funnel into the next steps class or the or the, you know, small groups, whatever it was. But they were using that, that private Facebook group for the church online to really, to do ministry, to do, in, to engage, to talk with people here where they are, and then do ministry with them. Yup. And that was the group that was going well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:52 And then, and like this is a story from the church, but essentially the creative communications department got wind that they were doing this like separate thing. And I was like, no, that can't be, you know, that can't be a ministry thing that's gotta run through us cause they're wanting to take the opportunity to, you know, market a new sermon series or, you know, start to do more of the us type of communications. Then the them type of communications that the online campus was trying to do. And so then there became a, you know, a battle might be an overstatement, but tensions around how that group operates and what's happening. They're still trying to figure that out. Like how do you, yeah. And so like, you see both sides of that, right. How do you handle like tension like that?
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 33:35 Well, for us, yeah. First of all, you know, serving is ministry. So what we do as a department, as if we're serving other departments and other amendment members in the church, um, it is a ministry to serve them. Even serving staff. And so I think we have to, as a communicator, communicators and communication departments, we have to see what we do as a service in some ways too. If you're a minister and you're coming to someone and they've got a problem, your goal is to help them, right? It's not too, you know, it's not just to say here's the right things, here's what you have to do. It's, it's to help them get over whatever barriers they're there in the way before they can do those things. Right. And so in that particular situation, you know, we've had groups that started and so my response to them was I go to them, Hey, I see that you started a group.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 34:24 It's really cool. I like what you're doing or I love that you're doing this, but we do have a policy, you know that we are part of it. Here's what I want to do. Can we, can I need to be an admin so we can officially represent the church. Cause we want to actually make this thing blow up for you. It's like we're a, for you. Like we are for you do in ministry. You found something we didn't see. Awesome. Let us help you make it great. Not let us take it over, but let us assist you. Let us give you our expertise and our expertise. Sometimes it isn't wanted because it's not ministry minded. It's service minded and we come in with that mindset of we're going to make this excellent. We're going to change all the colors we're going to have to make.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 35:07 We're going to control the content. We're going to, we're going to be able to post. I don't post anything in our Facebook groups unless I talked with our campus pastors. I let them have the group. It's their ministry. I'm helping them do it. I'm giving them content ideas. I gave them a scheduling ideas of how to keep up with that. I gave them examples. I'll even go film it for them, but I'm not going to be on camera. I'm not going to post graphics in there. I'm not going to do that kind of stuff because that's for them. I want them to see that as part of their ministry. And as a communication department, we have to kinda think about our ministry is through people. And so sometimes that's not going to come out on the other side like we kind of envision it.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 35:48 So we have to be okay with that. But in those situations it's, we have to remember that we're here to serve. Like we're not a service department only, but we are here to serve. That's the mindset of a minister of a pastor is that we have to understand that we're here to help people move from one step to the next. And if our pastors are the face that can do that, then we need to help that face get in front of their face. And if we can't do that, then it's really cause it's, we're selfish. It's about us. Ted Vaughn, That Church Conference recently shared this great spectrum for communicators to understand. He said, when we go through this, and this is a tension to manage for us, this is not going to be, we figured this out. We'd set some policies and we don't have problem with it anymore.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 36:30 Communicators are always having to manage this tension because there's always stuff that's moving and he gave us a spectrum, like which side are you on? Are you skewing towards anger? And you want to control things and it makes you angry being, you know, stuff like that. Oh man, I can't believe they started that group. How dare they do that without our permission? And then you become like the branding cop, you know, the, the excellence cop or whatever. I know I likes you and then you're not, you're helping anybody. You're just the guy they have to get around to get done with. They feel like God is calling them to do and that's not a good position. And then you skew all the way to the other side of apathy or where it's like, I can't get anything done. I give up, you know, whatever you want to do.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 37:09 And it's just chaos. And yeah, start a group. I don't care. And it doesn't look like the rest of the groups and you're not in it and something crazy happens and you're like, I don't know. You know, and it's like whatever you want to do then you've got branding issues all over the places. We can't go that far either. So we're constantly managing this tension in the middle of like, Hey we want to help you do this, we want it. There's some things that are non negotiable but those are not too many things. You know, nothing that really affects you doing ministry cause we really want to empower you to do ministry. And when I started putting it that way to our campuses, they suddenly got really excited about social media where previously they were really adverse to it, they hated it. And then I started to see it as like, Oh I get to do this, this is my ministry, this is I kind of flavor and how I want to.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 37:53 And it was like the campus pastors were saying like, we feel like we don't, you know, they don't teach our main, our lead pastor teaches a lot and he's on video. So we pipe it into other campuses so they could speak three, four times a year. And you know, some of them are good at it, some of them are not, not as good at it, but they all want to be in front of the people that they pastor so that people can know who they are and they can make these connections because they're doing the day to day work. Right? And so I'm like, Hey, here's an answer to that question. You can be in front of your people every day if you want to just pull out your phone, get in your group, Hey guys, it's your pastor. Love you. Here's a devotional thought, here's something you know and make it about what they're dealing with, minister to them where they are and you can be in front of them.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 38:38 So communication departments have to like look at some of these issues and go, how can we help solve some of the problems that our ministers are having? And that's when you become the hero. That's when you become a major help. And people like to see come into their office and go, cause you know that you're gonna, you're going to go, I got an idea that I think can help you out. What do you think about this? And they're going to be like, I'm glad to see you comment instead of, Oh man, I did something wrong. What's he coming for? What's he coming in here for? You know, you don't want that. Well you don't want a guy that's sitting over in the office going, you know, I have to make him do. I needed a Facebook group and I haven't seen it yet. You know, whatever. So I think to turn that corner, you know, you really, the communication departments just have to understand that we are servants that have ministry in mind. There are things that we have to be assertive about. but if we have that relationship that they know we're for them, for the rest of the church knows we're for them, then those things we have to be assertive about are not really a problem.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 39:39 Yeah. Well I tell you what that is that not like the exact same posture that the church should have. We are servants serving the world. but we have a of posture of love and respect knowing that we the church are for them. Um, it's amazing when we, when we engage, if we engage, like you were saying in your example, if the creative, if the communications department engages the church at that level with that service attitude their response among the church. And I've seen it in my own communications departments that I've led and worked with. Like it's, it's phenomenal that response when they serve with that level of respect and, and coming back to the us versus them mentality as we communicate publicly. You know, church, if we have that posture of, um, of understanding them, understanding the people, engaging, with that level, letting people know that we are for them.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 40:43 And the understanding that what Christ can do with that. A lot of the people that are not interested in you will become interested because you care for them as an individual as opposed to a, um, analytical butt in seat to quote Seth and I've used that phrase a lot, so no worries about it. That's awesome. Every time I hear on a podcast, I'm like, butt in seat. Hey that, that's great. Because it's, it's were there more than that and the people, people in the world today are looking for something. Stats tell us Lifeway 2016 that what they're looking for, they don't want to find in a building. Um, they're not interested in your church. The same level that you're probably not interested in going to a mosque. You've already made. Spiritual decisions are comfortable where, where you are. Um, but people are interested in talking to others about their faith. They're are interested in talking to their friends about faith. So, the more that we can disciple and lead people, the more that we can engage our Christ followers to get them to become digital disciples that are out there utilizing social media to get public, to go out there and, and to utilize the mission field that that's a win. But that often doesn't happen in a brick and mortar building on a Sunday.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 42:07 In fact, we did a communication survey a year ago. We just wanted to find out like how our channels are hitting the people. Like where are we actually, where do they care, you know, where are they looking? And so where do you normally find out about events, you know, or that kind of thing. And one of the questions we ask is, how are you most likely to invite someone? Is it phone call? Is it text message? Is it with a card that would give you a handout? Is it a social media post that you can share? And, and that, word of mouth, word of mouth was number one by far, but number two was a social media invite that they shared. Hmm. And the rest were like nothing. Wow. It was crazy. Cause our church is up is like, it's a younger, you know, families in a lot of mobile friendly people.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 42:54 And you know, our giving is 90, I think almost 90% online. You know, so we're, we're like in that phase of things. So I know that we're kinda skewed to one side, but even still, that's, that's a staggering, it's a staggering stat for us to go, wow, social media invite. They here's, and here's what to take away from that. They count sharing your post as a church, as an invite everyone on their list. That's huge. But we don't, we want them to, we want them to call, we want them to text, we want them to give them, we want to give them a card and they have to hand it out. They're not gonna really do that. I might not even make it to the car, you know, they want it, but you give them a social media post that they care about and here's what they're kind of posted.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 43:37 We're talking about, let's just, you know, we didn't really do this. Yeah. But the, the them kind of posted, they'll actually share questions like what kind of stuff do you like on your burger? That stupid. But that's what friends talk about. Right. And so if your church is asking that, we're trying to be friends with you and so they're like, yeah, there's this funny in my church that's, you know, whatever they share that, polls votes, you know, like what's, do you know, it could be like, whose your favorite Bible character to like, who's your favorite office character? You know? And, and it can be any of that. And they'll share that kind of stuff. Tasks. Like, give them something like, Hey, tell us to tell five people they matter today. Or I did a post recently, which was, a countdown post. I got this idea from Brady Shearer and it was a one minute countdown.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 44:16 You can see it just taken away and all it was, was a drone shot of our city. we're actually winning in our city. I got it from story tape and it's just a city, a drone shot of the city. He was like, take 60 seconds to pray for a neighbor and it just counts down some nice music. So behind the scenes shots of what's going on at your church, people love to find out who you really are, are. That's super important. Inspirational posts and devotionals are huge. They'll say, Oh, that's great. They want to be represented. They feel like, Oh, that's what I think though. That's what I believe. Yeah, let's share that. They'll share it with the, and they count that as an invite or a, um, a touch point with their friends, scripture quotes, things that you know, they find interesting and they want to share that counts as an invite for them and things that are like for us, our announcements, ministry promos, ads invites to the service.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 45:07 Even our about us getting our people to invite people, which they may share that a series promos, it's about us, it's what we're doing. And most people, unless it's a really clever or controversial sounding series, they're probably not going to share that. They don't really care because that changes so much. So it's not like, I mean you're, you're, you're at the movie series is cool, but you know, and you know, probably infringing on a lot of copyright laws, but it still, that's cool series that people will want to like a church of showing movies. Okay. It's still though not as popular as a video of somebody doing it on his phone going, Hey, I love you guys. We're starting to, I'd love to see you guys at my church. That works better. It just works better. And I can't explain why. It just feels more authentic. And those are the posts that are really more about let's just be real. Let's just be friends because that feels like you care about them. But a big produced video or a nicely designed graphic is like a business. Yeah. Yeah. It was professional and so kind of more about us, look how cool we are. You know, that's not a question they have. They're like, we know you can do cool stuff. Cool. I don't care. Okay. About your events. Don't care about your series. What are you gonna from me?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 46:21 Yeah. And it's ironic that that actually plays well to the smaller and medium sized churches that don't have the huge budgets that don't have the absolute, the creative resources, you know, several times and just talking with churches. I'll have a pastor tell me, Oh, I'm wanting to get the quality up before I do some do a video before I get into social media. And like my head explodes because honestly, the lesser quality makes you more engaging and endearing and is going to get people to buy into you over something that's overproduced and yeah. And over edited and over as a sensationalized.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 47:02 Let me just quote a foul mouth genius, Gary Vaynerchuk and say version one is better than version nine. Yeah. Do it. Oh man. I, I'm amazed at how much, how many connections, relationships and ministry opportunities we're willing to let just go by and do nothing because we didn't want, we couldn't do it 100% perfect or because we couldn't do it excellently. They care about that. Just do something. Oh, that blows my mind too, that, that's a soapbox for me right now. Crazy drives me crazy. I'm like, you're not here to make great stuff. You're here to, to, to reach people with the gospel like that. If you can make great stuff and good, awesome, but if you can't, that does not disqualify you from this qualify you for ministry. You're called to do that still and doing nothing because you can't do it. Great is disobedient, man. I'm sorry. It's disobedient to our, our mandate as a Christian, it really is. I feel very strongly. Sorry. I get letters about that. I get emails about it. You won't get letters. Nobody knows who that is.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 48:48 It's the widow's mite. It's the widow's mite story. It's social media is, is you're the widow dropping little two copper coins in the box and giving everything you got. You know, it's like what do you got if you don't have a 4K camera. So what, you have an iPhone, you have a Samsung, whatever. You've got a decent phone and a video device that can be a studio in a box. Do something, you know, cause that's where your people are. Because like Jesus didn't sit around and go, well I'm gonna wait until they build like microphone systems to show up on the earth. You know, he didn't wait for like social media to be a thing cause he could have reached so many more people. Had he come in this time with social media, he could have. but he chose to come to the time he did because, and then, and dealt with that and it's like he did the best of what he had. He just went, he went for it like, and, and people wrote about it, you know, it was like, bets do what you can do right now and he can just really sing. I know. But still.
  
    
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  Seth Muse: 49:55 No. I mean, just realize if you're in the communication space, you're working with social media. A lot of us are part time. You know, we're volunteer, there's a lot of people in churches that, you know, the structure isn't necessarily clear or healthy or whatever. You know, you may hear all this and go, yeah, I'm with you. I get it. I can't do Jack about it. Take the little steps, you know, take the lead where you can and, you know, always try to explain and it's kind of like the, Oh, the scripture you like never tire of doing what's good. It's like never tire of trying to bring people along with you. I never tire of like trying to, to show how this can be an enhancement to what the church does in your area. And it is a tireless thankless task a lot of times, but it just celebrate those little wins that you get and find a community of people that get it that will say good job.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 The Church Digital Podcast is it's going to be a little different than what you're used to. We're not bringing in one guy to have a conversation with. We're not bringing into, we're actually bringing in three different people and have a conversation. And on top of that, there it guys like, I don't know if you spend much time hanging out with it guys, but I'll just tell you up front, they're a little weird. You get jokes like this. Why is beef stew a horrible password? Why is beef stew it horrible password? Because it's not strong enough. Yeah. Weird. How does a computer get drunk? Don't, don't think about that one. It takes screenshots. The computer screenshots here, you start to see how bad it is. Why do we not call an iPhone charger? Apple juice. Okay. No, I actually think that's legitimate. But these are it guy.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:49 Humor jokes and, and if you hang on it guys long enough, you start to discover, at least I do in my life, they're a little weird. Okay. They're really, really weird. So we've got three it guys coming into this conversation today. At the church, digital, Jason Powell who has a very awesome title that he will share with you from Granger church. Another it guy coming in. Matt Pugh from McLean Bible Church, a huge church over on the east coast. And then also Jason Lee, who's with Northwoods up, up and center. And these guys have been doing ministry for a long time. These guys have been doing church it in church technology for a long time. Bringing these guys together. I gotta tell you I wanted to have a conversation about camaraderie and community. But honestly the thing that I learned the most about was relationships and the value and the necessity of relationships. So while you might not be the it guy and you may like, I me think that it guys are a little weird because they are, there's a lot that you can learn from three it guys talking about camaraderie and community in context of ministry. Everybody, here you go. Hey a Jason Powell. Cause we've got a couple of Jason's in the conversation here man. Just take a minute to tell me a little bit about yourself and, and Kinda how you got wrapped up in this church thing.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 02:13 Sure. my name's Jason Powell. I'm the tech OPS director at Granger community church. This is my 16th year at this position. Prior to that I was the it director for a large school system in northern Indiana. And prior to that I was a high school accelerated and advanced placement teachers. So quite an interesting journey to get into the church world. The short story is my best friend in college became the youth pastor at Granger community church. And out of the blue one day called me up and said, hey, we've got an opening for an it guy and I think you should be it. And the next thing I know praying
  
    
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  Matt Pugh: 04:07 Greatest story of good grief. There's lots of stories of that I wouldn't say are necessarily it related or job related of, being on site with different churches. A friend of a coworker of mine and I were at doing it, implementation at a church, Atlanta. And we happened to drive down to where they were filming the walking dead and we were, walking around the town and you could see the wall was like was a, the wall was up. And so they were filming that day and you can see the lights on the other side of the wall and everything. But since we're completely out of town people, no one knows who we are. So we would walk into this restaurant and you could tell everybody in the room was kinda staring at us wondering if we were actors, mbie. You were just out of, o of makeup for something and cause we're both bald headed guys tall. Like it was, i was pretty funny cause you got a lot of strange looks while we were in there just trying to get some dinner. So that's probably one of the funniest experiences that I've had. Just, you know, traveled around doing church consulting.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 05:21 That's, that's awesome. I was, I was hoping to hear you say you were going to be like in episode four of season six or something like that. But, but no such luck. There are other random Zombie looking people, but not, not you, you, you didn't make that cut. No def love to talk to your casting agent for that. And then thirdly we've got Jason Lee on. And so Jason, you know those Zombie stories I'm sure for you, but give us a little bit of a, your background.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 05:48 Yeah. So I'm, I'm the online campus pastor, an it director at Northwoods church and Peoria, Illinois. Been here just over 13 years, but doing church it since oh two. So I might've squeaked in there just a little bit longer than a pal or Matt. But my story is a little unique in that, arly on in our time as true tighty network, I was one of the few guys who wore the hat as a pastoral role in addition to be a technologist. And so, you know, from the very beginning of my time in ministry, I knew that I had been called to do ministry, but I knew I did not want to do, t's say student ministry or things like that where all the, you know, all of my colleagues went, do youth ministry internships out of, out of college.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 06:39 And then I, you know, I, that was not my thing. And so just knew that God had kind of gifted me a little more in the sense of a mind to use technology and to help the church and have a vision and a passion for, you know, the church using tech to achieve the vision and the goals of what our leadership wanted to achieve. And I really, that's just been a common, common camaraderie among the three of us. And especially those that are in the church I t network. It's just the kind of a, a common place where people have found likeness of like-mindedness. It just kind of, you know, a place where it feels like home where you're understood. But, you know, I, I, I love to see the church,arnessing technology to solve problems. And that's kind of been, you know, what has kept me going over the years of working in the church and just the journey that we're on. You know, and really have been part of this community, the church, I see networks since about Oh six, and just seeing it grow from just a, you know, a small handful of people to now hundreds of people who are on our sphere of influence that are contributing and adding their thoughts and perspectives to the community. It's just the
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:51 Clinical journey. Part of what I wanted to talk about it and Gen Jason kind of eloquently set it up right there is just this idea of, of camaraderie in thatI'll, I'll be honest, like I'm sitting in the room here and virtual room here and, and Matt, you were 10 years, right? Jason Powell was 16. Jason Lee, you were, I don't remember if you said, but you're somewhere around 10 where, where you are at your church, right?
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 08:17 I've been here 13. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 08:19 13 teen. Yeah. So, so tends, tends to youngest. I haven't had a ministry job longer than four years in my life. Like, and I just, if I openly confess that. OK. And, and, and at this point I've actually stepped outside of, of a full time ministry job staff, church, staff job. I am actually consulting very deeply with several churches and helping at a high level. But for me, and this is maybe this is a Jeff Reed issueI've always, when I've been in, in church staffs, I've always been the weird guy, not like the techie guy that just wants to talk about marvel cinematic all day. Although Spiderman leaving the MCU is catastrophic. And I've already talked about that in other podcasts. I don't need to go there now, but it's, it's been the, I think, different than everybody else in the entire church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:08 I've oftentimes, I've had conversations with, with, here was a spiritual development pastor at a church that I worked at and, and did pastor, he asked me, so it's like, do you consider yourself a pastor? And I said, I don't know. How do you define a pastor? And he said, well, I defined the pastor as the biblical, you know, and started reading it to me. And I was like, yeah, I consider myself a pastor if that's the thing. And then they, then he's like, well, why do you do so much with the tech? And I was like, because I can be pastoral and Techie at the same time. Can't die. But that's, that's this, this weird balance where a lot of times in church you've got the, this, the pastors and the, and the, and the, the techie people that, that aren't considered pastors in that, in that part.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:55 I've spent years alone, I've spent years frustrated, feel like this is confession. Now I'm going to start balling. I've got Kleenex is over here. But I've just, there had been years that I felt alone. Yeah. Thank you. Jason's got some for me. I, I where I've spent years alone, I've said this four times now because there weren't people like me. The church that I was at didn't have a lot of budget for conferences. I just, I didn't know how to connect with people who were thinking like me. And there were questions that I needed answered that I didn't have the answers to. And just to be completely honest, I didn't know who to talk to, to get those answers. And then it was was funny, like this is just pure testimony for me. A couple of years ago I went to a church conference church tech conference and my brain exploded because I was surrounded by people who thought the same things I was thinking, who struggled with the same questions that I was struggling with and, and who were wanting to have conversations with it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:52 And all of a sudden I found myself surrounded with this idea of, hey, there's camaraderie there. There are people like this out there. I'm not alone and not being alone really validated who I, who I was. At least to me, it gave me confidence to say, Hey, I don't have the answer to this question, but neither do 25 other churches and at least 24 of them are trying to come up with answers. So, so we should, you know, as as well. And that's why I love and all you guys with, with the cit n I, and this is what I really wanted to park on is what is camaraderie look like and what are some stories either from yourself or, or others, because as, as a, as churches out there and as listeners are out there, yeah, there are podcasts, there are ways to, that we can resource in different ways. But even through conferences and through the network that you're doing, you're, you're helping churches come up with answers to questions and you're encouraging these people that, that need encouragement. So, you know, from a practical standpoint, cit in what, what do you guys actually
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 11:54 Doing to help solve these problems?
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 11:57 Well, I think one of the things that our community has brought to each other is this is like, you've talked about this, is that longevity and survivability. There's only for so long that you can go into a ministry and go off of your experience and go off of what you've done in the past. And that starts to run out at a few years into it. AndI think the big piece of what we do as a community is people are coming in our slack channel or in our forum and saying, HeyI just came back from this meeting. I've been tasked with this. I'm supposed to solve this problem and I need to do it in the next 24 hours. And then suddenly there's a community of people who are offering solutions and pro, you know, all sorts of solutions to the problems that some of them are duct tape and bailing wire type solutions.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 12:45 But if the collaboration of, like you said, were like-minded and like thinking people who many live, eat and breathe technology but also have a passion for the church moving forward. And so trying to solve those problems using technology. I think that that's one of the things for me. I don't think I could have been in the role that I've been in for the last 10, 13 years without the community around me to just say, oh my gosh, I have no idea how to go about solving that problem. Or I can't believe they have somebody just asked me to, to come back with this solution in that short of a time period. And yet the community rallies around one another and says, Hey, I've solved that problem before this way. Or have you thought of, you know, doing it differently or, and just that kind of camaraderie and partnership and you know, honestly the, the leadership team of church it network is become some of my closest compadres and in ministry.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 13:38 And you know, we bounce things off of each other in a smaller segment of our community of just, how would you solve this problem? Or, man, can you believe this person said this? Or, you know, whatever it might be. And there's honest conversations of yes, I couldn't believe they said that cause they were right and you're wrong or no, I can't believe they said that because that's totally crazy. Right. There's, there's that honesty, give and take. And I think you know, it's no different than the church being the church to one another. I mean, in any aspect of what we do, it's all about we want people in community. Right. And so this is community for technologists and the church.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 14:12 Jeff, I think you, you hit it on the head kind of the thing that's been in my mind, in my heart since kind of getting into church it. Oh, initially, like I didn't know anybody else in church. It. so I felt like I was all alone. I was the, you know, only hire here. And you know, it felt like, you know, a prompting from God kept saying, you know what, what might God do if a bunch of likeminded individuals got together and talked, you know, just what's going on,
  
    
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  Matt Pugh: 14:52 You know, what questions do you have? What, what failures have you experienced so that I don't run into them again? And that's really what started the church. It network was that, that's the idea. If we could get a bunch of likeminded individuals in the same room, man, what would God do with that? You know, a lot of it is just sharing successes and failures, you know, hey, or getting ready to do a project on voice integration, you know, well, good grief, don't do it this way. Cause we tried this and we, you know, spent so much time and energy and resources and it was a complete fail. Or even just connecting into partners of the church it network that provide, you know, not only hardware and software services, but just their expertise. So it's really cool that the church it network is both, staff and volunteers and we've got some amazing partners that have come alongside us and understand like the mission, vision and values of the church it network. And hey help foster that and promote it. So,
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 16:15 Well, you know, let's, you know, thank you for that. But let's make it a little practical here. So like what I, I'm a, I'm an it guy. I'm a new church online guy. I'm a social media person. I deal with technology all day long. Maybe I'm I'm starting to come into some production ab stuff and it's, or it's a mixed role. How can church it network? How can you guys help me?
  
    
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  Matt Pugh: 16:43 Oh, I th I think it comes down to just the, the, the extent of the resources that of, of the individuals that are involved. And the, the sharing of those little golden nuggets of information. A lot of times, I don't know how many times I've been in a room where someone in the room is just casually talking about something and says like that one little thing that they just assumed everybody else knew and everybody else in the room goes, wait, wait, what did you just say? Like re rewind that out. Let, let's what? And it's like this, like it just reveals so much to the people that are in, that are just in communication and just in, in, in the room together too, that really furthers their church. Cause now they've learned this one little thing that was insanely valuable that they didn't even know they, that they needed to know.
  
    
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  Matt Pugh: 17:35 And it's those conversations and those interactions that really that really drive this community. You, it's the things that you have no idea are going to happen. Are the things that create the biggest impact, big churches, small churches, who really gets involved with you guys? Everyone. I mean, it's a wide array of a different size. Churches from the, the one the one guy it shop to the churches to have it departments have five, six, seven, eight, 10 people. Yeah, I mean every week. I mean we even got some nonprofits that send people every once in awhile. And then we've, I mean we got, you know, the partners as well. There's a lot of partner involvement, not just from a standpoint of, hey, let me be kind of a sponsor of your national or regional events, but let me just be a part of this community. Because they learn just as much information as they are able to share into the network. So it's, it's beneficial to kind of everyone that's involved.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 18:47 I think that's one of the things for our community is that it's an expectation that everybody's a contributor and everybody's a learner. Somebody has something to give that somebody can learn from and they, there's always people that you can learn from. And we always tell people, if you come to our conference or our one day regional events or you're part of the community and you're not getting your questions answered, we'll shame on you. But the same size side of it is, yeah, when you, when you participate your teaching and offering something at the same way, we laugh that often times, you know, some of the larger mega churches will have a solution or have a problem. And if some of the churches that are much smaller that will have these amazing solutions that are so incredibly cost effective because that's out of necessity, they've had to figure out how to solve some of these problems.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 19:36 And so we laugh at some of these, it would appear to be bailing wire and duct tape type solutions, but they're genius and they cost nothing. And then everyone in the community steals the idea because it's virtually free versus you know, someone might be looking at a multi thousand dollar type solution and then, you know, somebody hops up and said, well, have you ever thought of this? Have you seen such and such a website? And it's like, oh, I didn't even know that free thing existed. And so that's where I think it doesn't matter the size of your church or the years of experience that you've had in the church space, you've got something to offer as somebody who is a technologist to our community. And that's what's so exciting is some of the solutions that come up with, like, I would have never thought of that on my own.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 20:17 And May I, you know, and the expectation is I'm going to steal it, make it better, and then bring it back. You know, and that is just something we communicate all the time is, and that's what I love about what, you know, how Jason has started this as a collaboration of community, of collaboration in that, you know, your, your responsibility is to take this idea, take it home, make it 10 times better, and then bring it back and let someone else then learn from it and glean from it. And that's just the expectation of thou shalt steal ideas, only ideas but you know, within our community.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 20:48 Yep. Absolutely. And so, quick fun story. At the very first event, we had churches ranging from attendance of 200 up to over 20,000. And it was amazing thatTerry Chapman, who was the it director at Fellowship Bible, you know, ed Young's church, like one of the smaller churches he mentioned something about script logic and printing and they just couldn't figure it out. And one of the smaller churches had a solution for him and it blew his mind because I distinctly remember him saying you know, he, you know, basically I came here not expecting much and I'm going to go home with a solution that I don't know that we would have ever figured out. And so it was just affirmation that man, everybody's a learner and everybody can present. And you know, so pure learning, community inspiration had been like the, the three pillars that we've landed on and a built on over the years.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 21:57 And it's, it's just part of who we are. So it doesn't matter if you know, your new spring, new spring brings a bunch of guys to the conference and Gals, or if you're a one man it shop, or maybe you're just the volunteer in your church and you've got a way to, you know, get the Kansas City this fall. Man, we, we would love to have you. And I guarantee, no matter where you're at on the learning spectr there is something for you, not only vocationally, but also spiritually. And we're gonna feed you a whole bunch of food and you're gonna, you're gonna, your belly is going to be full. So we'll fill your heart, soul and mind.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:38 So yeah, great set up on, on, on the conference, heart, soul and mind. That's, those are three high standards, man. Belly would be, you know, maybe the asterisk for four, but well done. What areas does, cause I it in church tech, like those are very broad scoping areas. What do you guys look into a track?
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 23:01 If you grew up playing the game Oregon trail, then you should come.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:07 All right, so that's an inside joke even I don't get, so I'll have a little worried.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 23:13 You have to come to the conference to understand it,
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 23:17 But we got everything. We've got leadership workshops, we've got online ministry workshops, we've got, you know some sequel workshops. If you're kind of a more of a developer type person. Honestly we've got, you know, lots of different it type tracks for say like office three 65 or hey, what's new? The world of Wi-fi. We put panels together with not only partner experts, but church experts. So, you know, we'll have a panel with somebody that's on staff at a church and maybe a partner and they can present together on a particular solution or whatever. Last year a new spring did a great couple of workshops on how they're utilizing Muraki. I'm from, you know, the highest level of networking down to, you know, their switches and now they've gone all Google. And so it's just a place for, you know, there's about something for everyone.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 24:28 We've even got the church management solution providers there. And so, you know, maybe you're, you know, you wear multiple hats, you know, I have to keep track of the database, I've got to make sure that Wifi works. I've got to figure out what the heck is Dante and how does that interact with, you know, the, the world of it. And everything's got an IP address for the, you know, the audio video team. And maybe I'm also trying to figure out how do I lead up to my boss and, and I'm in charge of the online church and I got to figure out how to stream and help people, you know, find Jesus through an online medium.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:10 Yeah, that's a lot. The tech help, the camaraderie, the hey, I need help finding the solution. That's, that's one thing and all that. That's awesome. The thing that you just told me that I'm like every person who works in tech and church and America needs is that phrase of leading up is you know how to, so I have this vision, this will help the church. This will help reach people. I have to sell it to like leadership who has no idea any of the language or the acronyms or the talk that I'm saying. You know, the lead pastor still has an AOL email address like that, that, that, that type of thing. So, hey, you know what, cause cause I'm, I'm serious like the listening audience, you know, this listening audience is there. I drop, drop me a nugget, give me, give me one thing, help, help me here. My lead pastor still has an AOL email address and I need to convince to him that I, I need some sort of, of of a tech upgrade thing. What's, how do I get started on that road?
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 26:11 You buy a ticket to church it network conference for 85 bucks and you have a full belly. And then everybody there, we'll brainstorm ideas on how to solve that problem.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:22 Come on. Not One freebie. You're good. You're going to hold up for the conference. That's, that's fine. They're there. They're all shaking their head no.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 26:30 A relationship man. It's you know, that's the thing about what we do is it's so easy to think that technology solves every problem and it's all about the relationships with your colleagues, with your senior leadership. It's in them relationally in order to have the conversation of, Bro, let me just tell you honestly, having an AOL address, it's not giving you any credibility. It's not helping you out. What can we do to give you something that has some, some respectability, you know, and, and AOL email address them maybe in 1980 that was cool, but maybe not now. And I said, but you only can have that conversation when you've invested in that relationship. And so it's all about building those relationships so that you can have those conversations. Just this last week had a conversation with our senior leadership and just talking about where we're going with online ministry and around the table.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 27:22 There were very diff, differing perspective that we didn't agree to disagree, but we all hurt each other out and appreciated what each person brought to the table. And that only happens because of the relationship and the investment that you have in those people that are around that table, that are outside of the four walls of their offices. It's not because I came and fixed your computer, you're not going to believe me when I say this is a trend or this is something that's going on or something that maybe we're missing. You can only have those types of conversations because the investment relationally. And I think that, you know, I'm better at that because I've seen my colleagues in the community do that and I'm a, you know, so it's really, it's a give and take of how we as a community have learned.
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 28:02 It's not a matter of sitting down and saying, just because I have the title of it director and I've been doing this for 13 years, that you have to listen to me. That's not it at all. It's how have I invested in our leadership and built aa legacy is probably the wrong word, but how have I invested in over time and built credibility among what we do? And I think that's where we have to rely on that is that you can't even start to have those conversations about don't do it that way until you have invested and have the credibility and the relationship that supports that in order to be able to speak into it and say, okay, let's have an honest, transparent conversation. And then, yeah, your AOL address is probably one of them.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 28:40 Well. And another thing that's been super huge for me is I bring my boss, my boss is the CFO, if you will, the finance director. And so it's been really helpful for him to come to the conferences for the past three years, I believe. One because it, you know, relationally we get to spend time you know, just, you know, Kinda doing life after the conference, you know, hanging out just, just that personal time to hang out with each other. And as is at the conference, you know, he's going to various workshops and every year he comes back with kind of some eyes wide open. He's like, wow, you know, I was just in a workshop on, you know virtual online ministry and you know, my mind was blown. I don't even, you know, understand how to wrap my brain around it.
  
    
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  Jason Powell: 29:39 And it gives us kind of some both of us handles to be able to talk about stuff and or you know, he sat in on a a budgeting workshop for it and he's like, you know, it just helps open his mind to what we you know, direct reports are doing behind the scenes and it's just really helpful. You know, you got the awesome relationship building aspects of it cause we do have a lot of fun with the conference as well. But you know, you also get them able to maybe learn some stuff about your environment that they you never thought about before.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:17 So I mean really the relationships swings two ways cause cause at this point you're, you're connecting with other churches but there's an also another opportunity to, to bring in leadership, to have them experience maybe some of the same things you are, but then use that as common language to build towards something. So a, you're a CFO, experienced something in, in church, online and online ministry. And so you want to have a, a common language to talk about. Okay. The conference said this, what would it take to do that here? Maybe this works better, but at least now you're in the, in the same, like the same ballpark. You're, you're, you're having the same conversation. You're on the same road. You know, I've, I've, it's just testimony and I've used told this story before on the podcast. I've, I've been in sessions with church staff where basically I'm at the end of the dock and ready to jump into the water and there's not a soul within 500 yards of me.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:12 You know, and while I'm, you know, turning around and asking leadership for advanced high level decisions, because I've been doing the church online for a long time, the leadership was that much more of a elementary, basic level because I had been running completely on my own and hadn't brought leadership with me through, through the processes. So the more that leadership can experience that, obviously the better it'll, it'll be for you guys. So a lot of our listeners are church online. And so, cause we, we obviously we do focus a lot on church online and online ministry and that, that sort of thing. Transparently I've been working with the it and developing his, coming to the online tracks and some things like that. And I know Jason, you're, you're involved in that, but what are some things, hat we can expect in the church online realm specifically? Like what does that look like at the conference?
  
    
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  Jason Lee: 32:08 Well, I think you, you know, the, the, the cool thing of how our conference have has evolved as it, you know, it used to be conversations about buying storage and network switches. And that was the extent of it. You know, I mean everybody talked about over and over again and you know what sand you're going to buy, what you're, what networking infrastructure you're going to have. And it's interesting how the conversations have changed from that to a much different conversation. And that's where we felt like the online ministry really dovetailed into what we're doing from a core IP perspective. You know not only does core Ito, but also encompassing the online ministry aspect of it. It's also the church management data side of it. And how do we keep tabs on people and care for them and reach out to them without good systems and processes.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:49 That's awesome. I'll tell you one of the breakouts that I'm writing and this is new new content to me. I've, I've never done it, but it's, it's a breakout that's designed at a conversations with, with all of you, the listeners and people online of church online as perceived to a wrestle to challenge, to take away from the physical church. We're seeing physical attendance at the physical campuses, drop virtual attendance, digital tension's online is skyrocketing. So therefore, you know, let's shut down the online church. So people will go back to physical. And there is, it's 2019, may or may not actually work that way, but let's dive into, okay, how can we set up church online and develop a strategy for it so that it compliments what's happening at the physical instead of threatening it. A lot of times the perceived weaknesses of church online isn't the, isn't a weakness.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:45 It's actually a strength. We just may need to look at it from a different perspective. And so the, the, the goal for Latin, it's called phygital. It's a merging of physical and digital into, into the single environment. And so how church online can do that so that church online can be a strength for the physical campuses so that digital can be a strength for the physical campuses instead of something that's taboo and an obstacle that that's ignored. I can tell you that that's one thing that I'm going to be digging into. One of the breakouts that I'm teaching and I'm looking forward to meeting and, and collaborating and sharing and, and, and all that with, with everybody at the conference. So when is the, I mean, we've been talking about it. I don't know that we slapped dates on it. So when's the conference? How do I sign up? What's the cost? Give, give me the, the bullets on that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:27 Awesome. So check out the website, we'll link it in the show notes as well as generic and from a general information about the conference and we'll go from there. Well, hey, this has been great. Thanks for the time. More information on, on church it network, check out the show notes and we'll hopefully see you all out there. It's going to be a, a great experience on the online ministry church online site, but also just general it network database programming. There's leadership development working with like, there was just so much in that thread. Jason Powell. I don't know how y'all keep it straight, but well done. Well done. Doing it. So gentlemen, any last thoughts while we're landing the plane? You'll also, if you come see the world's largest stained glass window, is that a legit thing? It's a legit thing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 38:16 It is legit. The largest stained glass window in the world. If that's up. That's an ironic thing to say for a church technology conference. Come see the world's largest thing. Glass. I mean, that's really interesting. Really cool. I knew it was big. I just didn't know it was, was like, like legit that book. So well done now. Like I'm not gonna put that in the show notes cause you don't want to see there's a web, there's whole website dedicated to this, but I'm not going to up and you're gonna have to come to the conference to see it or not. We're not gonna, we're not going to let that cat out of the bag, so hey, listen, it's been a great, great podcast. Matt, thank you for joining us. Jason, Jason squared. Jason Powell, Jason Lee, thanks for joining us today. My name is Jeff with the church digital. It's been an awesome podcast and we'll look forward to seeing you next time. Thanks for joining. Bye.

  
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                    Remember when Apple was an innovative company? Steve Jobs would be speaking at a keynote, flash that sly grin, and then say to the audience: “Oh, one more thing…” Those days are sadly behind us it would seem. For the entirety of my life, I’ve been Apple Fanboy #1, but after the presentation this September, I am willingly relinquishing my Fanboy status. I will no longer claim to be an Apple Apologist. In search to become the most cash-rich corporation in the world, they’ve lost some of the principles Apple was founded on, innovation.
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 All right listening audience, you're probably gonna realize that Episode 26 here of The Church Digital Podcast, I, Jeff Reed, am a little more hyped up than normal. It's a little more of a passionate subject than normal for me, as weird as it may sound, as much as I love Church Online because I am Apple's number one fan boy and have been for close to four decades now. Unfortunately, some of the things that I've seen recently have brought me to the point that I started saying some things on social media on how the company is struggling with this lack of innovation and how I will no longer be an Apple apologist for this company and some of the decisions that it's making because I'm releasing them of their innovation call in my life. Yeah, that does sound kind of angry and passive aggressive and bitter even when I say it.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:57 But hey, it's my podcast. It's cool. So here's what I'm doing. I'm bringing in Tom Pounder from YM Sidekick podcast. Tom has been a great guy. We've been on each other's podcasts off and on. But we really want to dive in. Here's what we are, we both have a passion for church online. I can guarantee that I've never breathed the same air as Tom Pounder in my life and I know that man is passionate about seeing church online happen. And so I'm bringing him in and we want to have a conversation about Apple. We're going to talk about innovation and we're going to talk about discipleship and all this is going to fit together. And I promise you it's going to be an awesome podcast. So here you go. Tom Pounder, YM Sidekick Podcast, online pastor, youth pastor, a man of many, many talents and myself, Jeff Reed with The Church.Digital in a conversation in Apple, Innovation and Discipleship. Here y'all go.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 01:46 Hey everyone. Today I am with my friend, Jeff Reed, or Jeff's actually with me. I mean, we're together online, today and we are talking about innovation and we're talking about the church. And to give you the context of this, you know, Jeff and I are big apple fans. We love Apple.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:46 I've got the XR by the way, cause I refuse to spend $1,000 on a phone. $750, I guess seems to be okay. But this is part of the thing because Apple at the end of the day has figured out almost as good as any other company. Maybe Disney aside to separate money from you in your wallet. Cause at the end, they have more cash than any other company out there. Their brand is higher ranked than anybody else out there. But here's the news flash, they haven't really done anything innovative in years. I mean, so the AirPods that I now have in my ears, which sound phenomenal, guess what? They're freaking $20 earbuds with the cables cut off. If I didn't have these AirPods I'd have a little tiny eighth-inch cable connected to my laptop. Actually I wouldn't because Apple took away the adapter forcing me to buy the AirPods cause I can't hook them up straight into my laptop.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 08:48 And as a result of that, the marriage of the pencil and that release with the iPad pro, the smoothness of like the 650 megahertz refresh rate that you're seeing on that. It was phenomenal. It was something I'd never seen before. Anytime I tried to ride with a stylus with a pencil, it's jerky, it's jagged. Like a second or two seconds later, you see the letter, the pencil little tip tip is like falling off and it just, it never, never worked well and so this did. Hey, congratulations that's great. The year was like 2016 when that released and so once again, I'm a hypocrite. Apple. It's been three years. What else you got? I mean, I'm sorry. Credit card. Hey, great. Apple is helping us get even more in debt by charging a 3.5% interest rate.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 09:38 Just so we can get a really cool feature on our phone where it'll show blah, blah, blah. Like I don't understand where we went from this company that was innovative, that was edgy, that was working in garage, that was tackling companies like Microsoft, usurping them, challenging them, utilizing almost guerrilla warfare tactics to release products like the iPod. That was phenomenal. That was better than anything else on the market. Do you remember what else was on the market MP3 wise? Back then it was like those was it sonas. No, it wasn't sonas but it was like a 32 megabit card MP3 reader. You could literally load one CD on a digital music player. You could load one CD or you could carry around 500 songs in the pocket of your hands on a hard drive that was like the first iPod. Brains are exploding. Nobody's exploding on this. It's a third camera that does slow motion selfie so I can be really slow when I'm doing something.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 10:50 We're giving kids more opportunities to be creative with their selfies in their snapchat stories and Instagram and everything like that. So all right, well this is good. I love this rant. I will say, anybody who listens Jeff and says, okay, well the pencil, no big deal. Every tablet's got a pencil. Well, not all pencils are created equal actually because I've experimented with this. The Apple Pencil is by far the most superior pencil or pen that you can put on a tablet. I've had a variety of different ones I've tried to use on iPads or tablets before. They're just not as good as that pencil. So I would say it is very innovative and it continues to be that way to this day. So. Okay. But again, you and I are not here just to talk about Apple innovation. We want to translate this a little bit into church innovation. And in particular where you and I are both, fan favorites of online innovation.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 11:57 We did Jesus Juke you. Hey listen, that's the story of my life man. I do. I like, Hey, I tweet out something like, Hey, learn what happened with the Super Bowl this week? And then I juke em' into talking about our super bowl party or something like that. So yes, I do that all the time. But so, okay, so let's talk about Church and innovation. What is your thought on this? Or is the church innovative of enough right now or are we failing in this area? Are we succeeding? What do you think from a general context here?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:30 So I think the church is innovating in certain areas. So the church defines itself right now by the one hour service that happens on Sunday. The majority, and I don't mean to be insulted, but the majority of effort of staff, people, volunteers across this country, the majority of the effort goes into producing that one hour on Sunday. And I do believe that the church is being innovative in context of that. Like let's parallel to apple. We're making fun of the three cameras and I love that Apple. Hey, let's slap a third camera on there and see what can happen with that. So Apple's being innovative with their devices. Similarly, I think the church is being innovative within that. Hey, what if we introduced cameras in here and include Imag and worship with multisite movement streaming to video teaching the different different campuses.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 13:23 Churches are trying to be more expressive in context of lighting, of creating worship environments, of utilizing drama or other videos. Pastors even, I remember maybe 10, 20 years ago where a pastor would show a movie clip, like in a sermon was like, really controversial idea and now more and more pastors are being more and more visual with that trying to connect culture with the message that they have. And so I do think there's been innovation within that one thing. What I would challenge though is that church is more than just the one hour on Sunday. Apple, there's more potential than just what's happening with your iPhone. And so what if the church expanded, you said innovation in other areas, not just to reach that one hour on Sunday, but to really reach and impact people 168 hours a week.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:20 What if instead of just creating that worship environment church, what if you were innovative to try to create an opportunity to disciple someone, to train a disciple who's capable of leading others to Christ and discipling them? What if we created a series of disciples that were capable of making disciple makers out there? The money and the effort and the innovation into that one hour on Sunday wouldn't be necessary. And interestingly, we see that culture is changing that way. People don't to go to your church to learn things spiritually because they don't want to learn things spiritually. They're not interested in learning from you, church body, church building, what they are interested in, they are interested having a spiritual conversation with their friends. We know this from Lifeway 2016, so empowering your church body, providing innovation for them with evangelism and empowering them to go out there and share and invested with their friends. That's how the church is going to grow in the future. That's the innovation that we have. But as a church, we're afraid of that model for whatever reason.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 15:29 Yeah. Well, you know, it's really interesting. It was actually really empowering. I think for me in my perspective, that our church really put an emphasis in the past year or so. We've always talked "discipleship", but we've never really said, okay, go out there and go and make disciples. You know, we've talked about, okay, let's talk about discipleship. Okay, now go, let's figure out what's happening on Sunday. And we make Sunday a very expressive form and we use the lightings, the smoke machines, the movie clips, the great things, we go online. You know, we're trying to be creative and innovative that way, to reach those people. But it's only that one hour of the week like you said. And so what was empowering recently was when our senior pastor said, who are you investing in? Who are the people that you're investing in and how are you reaching them?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 16:16 And then I've spent more, honestly, like when I first started out doing ministry, it was so great for me as a student minister, young guy, to go out and be with students. Like that was my job to go out and be with students. And now I feel like my job is to go sit in my office and figure out the best lesson to do, who I can email, yada, yada. And I've really gotten it back in the mold lately of saying, okay, who are the two people I'm hanging out with today? Who am I taking out the to lunch? Or who am I meeting up with and working on discipleship that way, both from a leadership perspective but also from a student ministry perspective where I'm hanging out with kids like it is like I think we get trapped in, we're like, wow, we're going to be innovative on Sunday but then do nothing during the rest of the week. And that's why actually that's why honestly so many people I feel like asked me, hey, what do you actually do? Is your job actually full time? And I'm like, yeah, it's full time. I do lesson preparation and write a talk and what else do I do? Like I've thought that before and I'm like, that's where I need to go out and be with people and disciple other people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 17:24 Yeah. And sadly, a lot of churches out there, Tom and we've both felt this, you're not evaluated on that discipleship piece. You're evaluated on the weekend. And what happens on the weekend? Success is measured on the weekend. I went off on this tirade and it wasn't that you can find it on social media. It was out of character for me. And so like I had people calling me, texting me, honest to God, wanting to make sure that I was okay because it was so out of character for me to start slamming Apple because I am a number one Apple fanboy. Yeah. My mother calls me and she's really worried and my mom's been on the podcast, Linda, that was awkward, I just called my mom by her first name, mom, I love you. That's great.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 18:13 But she emails me a Fox News article the next day and it says stock store as a result of Apple's announcement and okay and her response was, and she's a business woman and this makes sense. Her response was, well, Apple must be doing something right. And what's interesting is yeah, if Apple is being measured on generating cash, launching a credit card, launching a Netflix replacement, moving to a service model instead of a product model, you're right. If that's the end game there, that's making sense. And here's the thing, church, I want to challenge you with. If all you're being evaluating or all your evaluating is that one hour on Sunday, then what you are doing may be making sense but that doesn't make it right. If Apple is measured as an innovation company, then, innovate. If you are no longer an innovation company and you just are going to be measuring off the dollar.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 19:10 Tim Cook, businessman, I'm kind of talking to you, although I doubt you're listening, all your measuring yourself is by the dollar, then that's a completely set of rules and what you're going to lose is fanboys like me, who for decades have been drooling over the phrase, oh one more thing coming out of an Apple announcement. They're not happening anymore cause they're not trying. You know, and Church, let me spin it to you. If all you are doing is trying to boost or struggling to boost the attendance records that are happening at your physical campus because you're measuring that metric as opposed to creating disciples, then we're measuring the wrong thing and you need to evaluate. And maybe some of your innovation doesn't need to go into creating a more flashier show Sunday 9:00 AM and instead figuring out how to motivate people and how to train and equip and empower people to be a disciple 168 hours a week.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 20:10 Yeah. I love this, and we're going to talk about one thing specifically that you had heard recently, but I want to say this, I've often said about student ministry because I've been involved with student ministry over 20 years now, is that my biggest success in student ministry is not what happens when I'm there with high school students. It's the kids that are now adults and have families of their own that I am still in relationship with and still in contact with that I'm marrying when they're, when they're getting married, they're inviting me to, when they're drunk and wasted and down on their luck, they're calling me. I view that as success wise because I've been that positive living example to them that they know that they're missing Christ in their life. And so that's why they need that. And so I feel like discipleship isn't just on a Sunday and it's not just when you have them in your church or your program.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 21:06 It's a lifelong mission. It's the loving them one day at a time and seeing how God works in their life. And I think there's lots of different ways that we can be innovative in empowering people. And now you've talked about this on your podcast before. I've talked about this on my podcast before. You know, we've had Rey talk about it as well. You know, there's lots of different ways to do it, and you had just heard something or you were just on a call with someone from Seattle about ways that they're trying to empower people. What is a cool, innovative thing that you've been hearing about recently?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:39 There's an organization, it's called Church home. It was created by, it was a church, it was out in Seattle and I think San Francisco. California and Seattle. It's a five campus multisite church spread out across two states. And I was talking with their staff and I'm going to have them on the podcast. It was just a prerequisite call. But here's the deal of what this church did. They're literally doing a burn the ships mentality here where they're moving away from more campus growth. And instead what they did is we want to create a discipleship strategy digitally that can help people who are engaging us online, but also help them help people who are engaging at the physical campus. And so more than a church online strategy, it's a mobile church strategy where utilizing this mobile app.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:34 Not only do they have access to sermons, which are vital, but not holistic approach to church, but there is discipleship resources to help challenge them with the different levels of what somebody needs to be a disciple, even to the point of training them to share their faith with other people. And so the goal of church home out there is to challenge someone to create, become a disciple to the context of creating other disciples and utilizing the home as the centerpiece, people's houses, to create micro locations to start to gather them together. So instead of, in church homes context and they've not been the only one, Mech church is another one who is on this road, instead of trying to build more campuses and grow that way, they've gone to a digital approach utilizing homes to reach people, to disciple people and to grow people and to, for the point of multiplication to create a disciple who's capable of creating more disciples.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:38 Now what was interesting is, and this, this hit the news maybe six, nine months ago and we were actually talking about it on the call today, like when this came out Fox news was pushing articles, CNN, like here's a pastor who's like pastoring online, Judah Smith and I got to tell you from the church the response wasn't good. Instead of like honoring this guy for trying to experiment with something and doing something new. One tweet, and this is just one that stuck in my head. I don't know what the f bomb you think this is, but don't call it church. That's literally the tweet. And so, but this has been the attitude from the church in response to a guy who's trying to experiment. And what's funny, when you actually talk with the church, they'll even tell you, hey, what we're doing today, we may not do in three months.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:27 We're experimenting as we're going with this, instead of trying to figure out what the finish line is, we're just going to go, learn as we go in and adjust. And that's the thing that the church gets stuck with. The church needs to know for whatever reason. And I mean, I need to wrestle with this. The church needs to know the finish line before they go. Whereas any given corporation in America, Hey, let's go down this road. Let's see, and let's evolve. There's more freedom to kind of adjust. But we're too afraid of, and it just makes me wonder, like Acts 1, when Jesus left went away and the people prayed and they prayed continually, what if they were afraid? What if they didn't pray, would the Pentecost of Acts two have come? Would it have stopped right there because they didn't know what to do? Hey, the work is done. Jesus is done. That go make disciples. I don't know what that means. So we're just gonna stop. Right? Like, could you imagine if this church died right there before it even got started? Because they were too afraid to figure out what the next steps were.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 25:38 Yeah. Well, I listen, I agree with you 100%, it's so funny because as you're talking about when companies innovate and they try new experiments or try new things, they get applauded by people. Like, look what they're trying to do. Look at this great idea. But when the church tries to innovate, there's so many people, it's almost like the major league baseball, when Major League baseball tries to change a little bit, all the traditionalist, "No, you can't do this. That's not how it was supposed to be." And it's the same way with church. No, no. You can't go online. No, you can't do videos. No. And then it's like, oh, okay. It's not so bad after all. I mean, you know, it's this weird thing. And I think we've got to continue to push the envelope and who knows? Maybe it won't work, but if we never try, we're always gonna be wondering what if.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:30 Church, we've got to experiment. Yeah. I mean, just bottom line. What if Paul, hey, you know what, all these other people out there, I don't care. It's not my church. What if you didn't the missionary journeys? What if he didn't write the letters to travel along the Roman road? The most technological advanced thing in the time, by the way, the Roman road, when it was first built, what if he's like, you know what? Screw it. I really don't care. What if Martin Luther was like, hey, you know what? I'm not going to put this up on the, on the thesis. And by the way, those 95 thesis that he posted the a hundred thesis posted on the wall, he sent him to area towns as well. So the revival didn't just come out of his one church.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:14 It was surrounded areas because he cared enough about it to make sure, by the way, it was actually one of the first things printed on the printing press . Sent it around to others. Talk about another one. The printing press itself. Talk about an innovation. What if he's like, hey, you know what? I don't care about you all and what you need in the Bible, I'm just going to print for like my family and just walks away. No, he did a printing press so that everyone could have it. Billy Graham preached to a billion people at one moment, one message bounced around a bunch of satellites. Billy Graham hits a billion. What if Billy Graham's like, Hey, you know what? I don't care about the people in Africa, in Asia, in Europe. I don't even care about the people in Seattle or on the other side of the country.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:56 I'm just going to preach to my small little church here in North Carolina. Where would that leave us? Yeah. The fact is that we need people, we need churches to push, to be innovative, to ask questions, to challenge standard quo. We don't need incremental updates on platforms that already exist. If we want to reach new people, we need new methods. We need churches to step up and start to experiment in these areas, beyond something that some traditionalist is going to say, Hey, are we sure we want to do that? Yeah. It's, while traditionalists are challenging that, guess what, churches are out there and are being highly effective in reaching new people by doing something different.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 28:36 Right. No, that's exactly right. And I think as we kind of wrap up, I think you're exactly right. If, if we don't try, we're always going to fail. We're always going to be wondering what if in the, the best way we can reach more people and beyond Sunday morning is to try to innovate, be creative, invest in people. Those are all, that's always a great formula for success because again, it's kind of like back when you look, even at Rick Warren's, Purpose Driven Church, not Purpose Driven Life, but Purpose Driven Church. He talked about how the transition was you were sitting in pews at one point and now you're sitting in chairs. I mean, can you imagine if most of us were sitting in pews still, I mean that was just so uncomfortable, but we've got to change we got to innovate and if we want to reach more people in this day and age, we have to do that. All Right Jeff, well, it is always great to have you, well actually this is a combined podcast, so I'm on yours. Yours on mine. And so this is, it's always great talking to you, man.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 29:36 Yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to do this again. Next time though, you get irate about something on social media and I'll be like, hey, let's get together and blow off some steam and talk about it on a podcast. Okay, well, you know, I actually get irate all the time on social media so I can totally see myself doing this again about something. Honestly, next time, like something stupid happens in the cinematic universe or marvel and Spiderman actually goes back, then we can go back and talk about how smart a thing that was. But that day, sadly we'll probably never, ever, ever come.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:11 Always, always hope. Hey Tom, man, thanks for this. This was a great idea and I'm for it. By the way, my audience, if you've not hit up Tom Pounder, hit up to see the show notes and there's all sorts of links in there for that.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:24 And I'm sure Tom will probably have the same. On my side, but, this has been a great time. Appreciate the convo. So, hey audience, this is Jeff and we're gonna wrap the podcast right here. Episode 26 talking about Apple, Innovation and Discipleship. I hope it was worthwhile. Hope it was fun. Pray for me. I am still a struggling, recovering Apple fanboy who now needs another place to locate his fanboyism and so we'll have to just figure that out. I'll go out to ask my kids what the cool thing is right now just to kind of adopt that I guess, but hey, church in a serious note, it's time to find something new. The methods that we've been using have been reaching the same amount of people, the same number of people, the same type of people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:13 And there are people who will not be reached with these methods. If we want to reach new people, we need new methods. It's time to expand our product line away from just Sunday morning and start to figure out how to be more effective, how to reach out and engage people in a different way where we are. The message, Christ, stays the same. The messaging, the method needs to change. So that's the challenge. Church, get out there, experiment and figure out what's next. Follow the ideas of the church homes or the Saddlebacks or the Elevations. There's so much of what we talk about on this podcast. And there's lots of excellent ideas that are out there, but the best idea is yet to been discovered. And right now it's out there in somebody's head saying, what if? And if that's you. And if you're saying that, what if step up and figure out how to do it. Let's go. Hey, this has been a great podcast and I am looking forward to what's next. We'll see you next time here at The Church Digital Podcast. Y'All have a good day.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff. Thanks for jumping on this one. By the way, this is our 25th episode, the 2-5, this is our silver anniversary of podcasts. So what did you bring, listening audience? I'm expecting silver from you in honor of our 25, I can't even finish. But I am excited you're here. We've got a great guest on this podcast. Ryan Sharp is the online small groups pastor with Life.Church. We're doing a deep dive here on small groups, on Biblical community, what that looks like and how it can be utilized. Why has Life.Church been so successful with this? How do they overcome some of the negativity that's centered around doing biblical community online? How they've been able to create that culture from leadership down and what it's like to pass that on to volunteers and getting volunteers to buy in to this idea of a biblical community, of small groups, of life groups existing online.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:00 By far, the greatest line that I've ever heard in context of online small groups happens in this interview. And I'm not even going to tell you what it is. It's so powerful. You're going to know it when you hear it and you're going to want to write it down like I did and you're going to want to share it with others. It's that good. So listen to the podcast here, myself, Jeff with The Church Digital Podcast interviewing, Ryan Sharp, Online Life Groups Pastor through Life.Church, doing a deep dive here on online small groups. Hey, everybody, here you go.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 01:34 Yeah. The, the, the point is, is that, uh, our heart has always been community around the word of God. And so we have, just like in physical locations, you, you try to foster community around the teaching of the word of God, of like people coming together and meeting up locally and things. And so whatever you might do at a physical location, we wanted to do that online as well. There's a incredible community of people that's well reaches globally that are our heart is to, to help them take their next step in their faith journeys. So it's really, it's a, it's a way for people to get to know each other. Um, cause they go to the same church and then to really pursue Jesus together as well. That's a, that's the why of we want people to be fully devoted followers of Jesus. Yeah.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 02:22 And Yeah. I'm, I'm curious just cause, cause I'm, I'm leading online Bible study and I've got this guy from South Africa, we use zoom. Just kind of jump on. So like, like when you're doing international, are, are most of the, the Bible studies, like the small groups that are, you guys call them life groups, right? I don't want to use your links. Yeah. Life groups, life groups are the online, is that, is that through zoom or do you have like people clustering and gathering together internationally and UK in different places, but what does it look like?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 02:49 The short answer is all of the above. We structure our life groups in two different ways right now. Um, we, the two different categories are in person or entirely. And so with, within these two to two ways, we leave it completely open to the leader to decide how they can connect, why they connect stays the same. But we really leave the how and the what up to that leader. So some use zoom, some use Facebook groups, um, some use a talkie. Dot. Io. Uh, so I mean it's a free version of what you might have on zoom. It's pretty cool. It's an up and coming. I love, love that, love that tool. But uh, but really they, they get to, uh, they, they get to connect with however they, they best can connect with their communities.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:39 Talky dot. Io. That's something that's something I've not heard of so that, that's, that's interesting. I'll have to look that up. Is that mobile app or is that, is a web based?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 03:46 It's a web based app. They're trying to do a mobile thing, uh, as well. Um, it's not as good as the web based app.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:52 Okay. Interesting. I will dive into that. Thanks for the tip. How'd you get started into this? So like last way, just to put it in context, you were, you were in United Kingdom like last week, two weeks ago. By the time this, this is investing into volunteers over there, casting vision in the church online. Did you like go to school for Church online? You wake up one morning and like, Hey, I'm going to do church online and everybody looks at you like you're crazy. Cause that's, that's what happened to me. But like what's your
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 04:19 yeah, no, that's really good man. So I, I grew up, um, I grew up in multiple places of the world. My Dad was a geophysicist and so we traveled to multiple areas throughout my, my early childhood. Um, so I was exposed to a lot of different cultures around the world. I've always been interested in technology, but more than that, my worldview has always been this global worldview that people need to know Jesus wherever they are. And so when, uh, in through my college years I was thinking to myself, will Paul use the most advanced piece of technology to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ? And at the time it was the written word, right? And however they would deliver that written word, those letters to the churches, he would spread the good news, the Gospel, the direction, using the most powerful piece of technology, the most advanced pieces of technology that he had.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 05:14 So why wouldn't we do the same in this day and age? And it just clicked, like, why can't we just use the, the Internet? And so I have been a huge, um, follower of, of life church and I'm just admirer for years throughout my teenage years and through my early twenties. And um, have always just dreamed about like, God, if you could provide a way that I could work for that organization and be a part of what God is doing, um, I feel like my heartbeat would be the same, uh, as, as that organization. And really the credit goes to, to uh, Bobby Grunewald who back in 2006. They were, the story goes like this, that p they were moving, uh, we're planning physical locations and they were moving these, uh, these heavy equipment, you know, as you might set up in a, in a, a portable church environment and everything like that.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 06:06 And one person said to said to Bobby, you know, hey, can you get that speaker? And in as he was lifting up the speaker, he said, oh, I could do this so much easier online. And the person said, what do you, what do you mean by that? He goes, well, I could, I could put a church service together and I could come unity online and I could, I could do this. But back in 2006, Bobby Grunewald, the creator of the youversion Bible app had the idea for church online. Of course, he's our innovations pastor. And so he, uh, he started this website called Church online life church online. And so we, uh, that's really where it started. And since then, I, uh, I actually was an early adopter of life church online through my college years. In 2007, I, this was my church. I was away from my physical home church and looking for a church and found, stumbled on church online. And since then, and I was hooked.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:00 That's a phenomenal story. Yeah. I've, I've, I to have lifted way too many speakers in a portable [inaudible] even recently. And said, yeah, there's gotta be a better way to do this scope of church online. Um, just and the, the, the heart behind using church online to reach people. And so you guys are doing with, with life church, obviously you're reaching tons of like, I don't even know numbers. And at some level numbers, at some point they stop meaning things because you lose the stories in the heart behind it. But you're, you're reaching these phenomenal numbers of, of people, uh, through the physical campuses. Uh, you're reaching phenomenal numbers online, literally internationally, evidently because you're going over to meet with volunteers in the United Kingdom even, but you have the difficult deal of, of not reaching people in rows, but reaching them in circles. Uh, I'll, uh, Andy Stanley. So how do you, what's, what's the tension that you wrestle with? He, let me say it this way. I know lots of churches that are broadcasting the services online, but when it comes to, hey, let's do small groups, hey, let's do discipleship. Hey, let's do biblical community virtually. Oh No, you can't do that. You gotta gotta do that. Physically, what tensions or how would you answer a church that maybe has some of that tension that you can't do biblical community
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 08:20 online? Yeah, I, I'm uh, uh, I would, I would just say, you know, follow what, what God's specifically is calling you and your church to what he's called us to is to embrace the technology, the opportunity to reach people in on deeper and deeper levels. And so, um, I, I, I would maybe share specific stories like the opportunity to reach, uh, a guy named Mohammed in, uh, in, uh, in a Muslim country. He was in a, this is a story that came out and I love that you mentioned that you lose the power of the one story cause I'm, I'm all about that too. That, so Mohammed was in, um, a Muslim country and he was in a world religions course and his Muslim professor, uh, gave a assignment on, um, on Christianity. And that's when, um, that, that's when, uh, Mohammed received the instruction to download the youversion Bible app so he could complete his Christianity paper.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 09:23 He downloaded the youversion Bible app, started reading the word of God. And was completely transformed by it. And then he came to church online because he somehow found church online life church online. And uh, and he ended up giving his life to Christ at the end of the service. And so he emailed us this story because he said, pray for me, cause it can be very dangerous for me knowing this now even more than that, fast forward now, he serves on our team from his country, leading people around the world to Christ at life, church online. And he's not only found Jesus and found a new life in him, but he's found a community that he gets to serve with. And through a medium of technology, he gets to connect with our team. He gets to connect with others and uh, and lead people to Christ. That's the opportunity that's ahead of us, uh, at, uh, in front of us at Church online. And so what I might say to a church is embrace that opportunity is that the Holy Spirit, God can work through incredible ways through life, life, church, online, through church, online, uh, ministry. And, uh, and so just see what God might have have for you.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:33 I love that by the way, Mohammed Os awesome story of, of just a guy who's, who's life was changed in, uh, you know, in, in a Muslim country, a place that we can't, you know, as a church, as a physical American church, we can't reach into without like embracing the online technology component of this. We, when you talk with volunteers, like even, cause I know you were international, United Kingdom, 71 volunteers, when you talk to American volunteers, you know, whatever, whatever the scope is like, do you have a hard time casting vision, getting people to understand, um, the why or even even the how or, or do, does life church volunteers, do they, do they embrace this strongly?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 11:14 Yeah, they, they embrace it. I mean, the, the, the opportunity is, is that they, they get to come weekly and really be, uh, be a part of our church. So we have multiple layers of leadership with volunteers. When you ask how do we communicate and cast vision to volunteers? We, uh, uh, everyone has a leader and no one leads more than 10 people. And so, so the way that structure works is I would lead up to 10 individuals and those 10 individuals would lead up to 10. We want all of our volunteers to feel like they're a part of our church and that their pastorally cared for. And so we have volunteers, not just in life groups have, um, volunteers in social media and what we call our host team, which are the people that welcome and pray for people, uh, at our services and multiple other areas as well that people can serve in. And so, so we want our volunteers to feel that they're pastorally cared for as well as individuals that come online. And there's many different ways that we're able to care for those, those as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:15 What percentage of people that are watching the services, uh, align with groups? What, what we find is obviously, and I'm working with other churches and online, the people that we're talking to with the podcast, like it's, it's a huge number. Um, that, that are, that are watching the services tens, hundreds, thousands even. Um, eh, but some, some churches they have that, that vision towards, okay, groups we're going to hit it and run. Um, some it's, it's more kind of pulling teeth where, where it's not necessarily there. So like I'm, I'm just curious kind of what your percentages are or what advice that you would give, uh, to somebody that maybe is trying to get started in this and trying to try to establish that small group culture online.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 12:59 Well, everyone that comes online, maybe not everyone, but we, we've found at life church online is that everyone that comes is looking for a place to belong. And so, so when they, when they come to a service and that that becomes their community, we find that there are people that come to the same service every single week, no matter where they are. We've never met them in person, but we know them and they're more apt to share, uh, even even quicker, deeper things because they feel like there's, there's a, uh, there's a level of, of an enemy there where they can kind of share what's on their heart. So community starts from step four rather than step one and a lot of ways online. So I feel like they embraced community. That's why they're there. That's why they're chatting. That's why they're there. They're involved. Um, and so, so they're looking for a place to belong.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 13:52 And just like in any in-person connection, every single individual alive in any conversation, their brain is automatically searching for it. Am I safe? Am I, is this a safe environment? And so even when we started this conversation, my brain and your brain quickly processed, is this a safe conversation? Do I need a fight this or flight? This? You know, that's, that's the response that physically happens in our brain. And so, uh, that's, that's what, what we can help people understand that man, you're in a safe place. We're excited that you're here and God has had, God loves you very deeply and wants the best for you. And so those walls start to come down and people start to embrace community. But it's not automatic Jeff. It's really not man. It's, it's a constant. It's building that culture of community in an online space. Just like you would build the culture in a physical space as well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 14:48 J OSJ crammed over at Saddleback. We had on a other thing, it was like episode three, way back. We were starting the podcast and uh, his and I, he and I have had the conversation several times, so just would love, love your take on it. Uh, in virtual environments and online environments, people connect to community before they connect to Christ. Have you guys experienced that? What, what, what is life church feeling? Uh, when it comes to that people connect to community before they connect to Christ?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 15:13 Uh, I think just like, well, what maybe I said before, people are always searching for a place to belong no matter what they believe. And at life church, we, we feel like we, you want, we want you to feel like you belong here before you even believe. And so, so when w when people come, absolutely let's engage them in community because we truly do care often, authentically, uh, about them as people. They're created by God for a purpose. And so, um, so I absolutely, I would say that, but I, I would also say not always people, people can come to know Christ and then seek out community out of that. And so it works. It works both ways. You know, the, the whole thing of, there's always a next step of best next step for some individual. And that looks different for different times and different people.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 16:00 A quick story of a specific life group. This is an in-person life group out in Beaumont, Texas. Uh, shout out to my life group leader there, Jessica. She, uh, she leads a a life group and I was able to visit that life group. Um, and, uh, and while I was there, the pastor Craig at our services, uh, pastor Craig Rochelle, he always at the end of his message, invites people to give their life to Christ and [inaudible] he says, raise your hand if you want to commit your life to Christ. It's a private moment. And I happen to be looking at the room at the time, there's a group of people around sitting in watching this service together, this church online, there's life, church, online service. And I see this guy in the back, raise his hand. And I'm like, man, this is such a powerful moment where someone in a life group at Church online gives their life to Christ.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 16:52 So I had to catch up with this guy at the end. So after the service ends, I was like introduced myself. His name is Bruce and Bruce, uh, said that this is his first time actually coming into the life group and watching the service, that he would drop his daughter and his wife off every single week and he would sit in the truck. You wouldn't come in cause he, he, he feels like he's not ready to commit or it's not ready to be in community or even to devote his relationship to his life, to Christ, anything like that. And he said today was just different. I felt like I needed to be there. And then in that moment I felt compelled to give my life to Christ. I don't know what that means yet, but I did it. And so then we connected them with a life group leader and, and he's a part of community and he gave his life to Christ. And so that's, that's just what gets me so excited. And this is someone who has never walked into a life church location, but yet they're finding community and they found Christ in the context of an in person, church life, church, online life.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 17:49 Sounds like what you're describing is really this, this melding of, of, of physical and online, um, type type of thing, right? Where, where they're, they're meeting in the physical space but utilizing some of the online technology to kind of, to kind of see that in. So it's, it's like your, your online campuses birthing more physical communities around or some of these gatherings. Is that, that's kind of what you're describing, right?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 18:14 Yeah, yeah. Precisely. P people gather together, attend the service together and then talk about it. That's really the, the lowest bar of like, I love what, uh, another life group leader said, ah, he's an in person life group leader out in South Carolina. Shout out to Steven. He, uh, he leads an in person life group there and he said, [inaudible] online makes it so easy to run my life group. All I did was make some coffee, turn on the service, invite my friends and God did the rest.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 18:41 That's funny. That's cool. So like how do you, how do you train, how do you equip, how do you empower the leaders? So Steven, South Carolina, um, turn it on a computer, you know, whatever to TV, apple TV, whatever it is, some sort of vehicle to get it up on, on a screens is to experience service. And then as leading, I'm guessing, some sort of discussion conversation afterwards. Like Siemens in South Carolina. What does that training look like? How are you guys helping him do this?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 19:15 Yeah, so he's connected. He has his own leader. It's like we said before, there's multiple layers of leaders. So his leader trained Sam and connects with them every three months. At least they, they're having a, what we call a significant conversation. That's really what we train our leaders of leaders to have every three months have a significant one on one conversation with the people that you lead. And so there he's getting that connection to a life church, a team member, volunteer. And then also there's initial training that he goes through. Um, after we do background checks and everything, get them through our, our process of applications. We have different videos that we've shot of how to practically lead a in-person life group. And so it even talks about having the music on, having it smell good in the room, how having enough for parking, um, having it easily accessible. So really practical training in that area. And then on the entirely online side, we have practical training for that as well. How to lead an effective Facebook group, how to increase engagement in your Facebook group, how to do a zoom call, things like that. And so it's, it's very practical training on the front end to, to set the life group leader up for success.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:26 That's incredible. Uh, and so that's just part of your, Your Life Church team is, is, is doing, is, is developing the content, uh, your, your, your vote, your leaders though for accountability. You're one to 10 to 10 to 10 underneath, like that's all volunteer driven or mostly volunteer driven, right?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 20:45 Yeah, it's entirely volunteers. Yup. The entire life groups ministry at Church online is all volunteer.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 20:52 Wow. So when it comes to like it, you know, expanding your circle of influence, um, like there is, there's no place life tree. I mean, you're telling me a story about, um, Muhammad in, you know, uh, undefined Middle Eastern country. There's no place you don't want to go, you'll, you'll go anywhere.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 21:13 Yeah, absolutely. I think that Jesus will go anywhere. That's really the, the, the power behind the Gospel and the hope of what Jesus, you know, I believe in Matthew 28 when he said go into all the world and make disciples, teaching them to obey all the commands I've given you. And remember this, I'm with you to the end of the age when he gave us that, that command, that commission, I believe he had the internet in mind or you as you stood right then and there, he knew that there would be something called the Internet that will allow us to do this on a broader scale and a quicker scale. And then I think he, he knows what's coming next and he's, he says, man, let's utilize that. Let's leverage that to go everywhere to help people find Christ.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:00 Amen. I love this conversation and I'm going to love this next question cause um, yeah, I want to see how you respond to this. So you are effectively life church, God, Holy Spirit. Like forgive me, I don't want to like boil any of the spirituality out of this conversation so don't, don't allow that to happen. But effectively life church is, is going out and attempting to reach the world utilizing church online. Um, and effectively is, is it will, at least in the conversations we've talked about multiple states, multiple times zones, uh, Europe and um, multiple continents, uh, Middle East, probably more on the, on the Asia side. So yeah, multiple continents involved in this conversation. Um, yet the average church in America struggles with church online. Um, and when you really drill into like the, until the listeners who are hearing you talk about all this, the listeners are saying, yeah, I have this vision.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 22:59 I want to do this too. I want to be part of a church that's doing that. But my church is too afraid of embracing church online because it competes with a physical church. Um, because you can't do this stuff virtually has to be done in physical space. I'm not saying there's like magic power in the bricks, but often we, we live our lives that way. Like the Holy Spirit, um, isn't, isn't an ethereal thing. It's a virus that gets spread when we breathe the same air together. And yes, when two or more gathered together, um, God does something phenomenal, but I think God does something phenomenal via zoom too. And I'm not wanting to limit God. So my, my, my question is, is, is this all that was set up for it? For this? Yeah. Like
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:42 how can you encourage people or what would you look at to say, Hey, life church, we were able to get past this. We were able to get past this issue and once we saw it from this angle, once we understood this, we just were able to run because we're life church and you're not the only one. There are others, but as a whole, there's 350,000 evangelical churches in America. There's probably two to 300 that are doing online small groups. So there there's something special that's happening with a select few. My hope is that more can get on board. How can more get on board? What, what do we need to do?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 24:20 Yeah. I, to answer your question, I don't know if there's a specific like silver bullet that this is what changed our whole mindset. I think it was, it was really what we felt like God was calling us to. And the opportunity ahead of us. Where, I mean, w what I may say to someone who is on the fence about is this, is this online, there's an online ministry for us as a church consider processing. Um, what if you had the opportunity, you know, to reach quite literally billions of people within the context of your city. You would do everything you could do to reach those, those people. Well, if they lived in your city, you would find a way to reach them. Well, there's billions of people in an online context and online world, and we have the greatest message, the greatest news that has ever hit humanity, which is Jesus Christ and the redemptive power of, of what he brings to the world.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 25:20 And so why wouldn't we try to, to reach those as many people as possible? And so, um, I think, I think also it's, yeah, just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. And so, um, that's, that's, that's maybe something that we might, you know, look at as a church and see, you know, why, why can't we do that? And, you know, we've, we've failed Oh, a lot through the process. And, um, and as, as your starting online ministry, you may try something and it may not work or it may not work how you thought it might work. Keep trying because the why matters the most and the y is to bring as many people into heaven as possible. The many, many, many people that know the hope of Jesus Christ. You know, that, that's, that's the why. And so when we know that we'll use anything we say this all the time at life church that will do anything short of sin to reach people who don't know Christ, to reach people. No one's reaching. We have to do things no one's doing. And so maybe God's calling you to that. Maybe God's calling you to do things that no one else is doing. And, and, uh, it may look different than life, church and, uh, and God's calling you to that, to reach your unique community of people in an online context.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:39 Well said. Uh, I think I've, I've quoted both those, any other people on this podcast, everything short, nothing short of sin or everything. Short of sin to yeah. To reach. And if you want to reach different people, you got to do different things. Um, yeah, that, that's been the reverberation of, of this podcast and uh, and other guests on there. So yeah, thank you for, um, uh, you know, personalizing that and, and, and putting an actual face to, to somebody who is, who's out there, you know, trying to do something different and, and trying to be effective in creating, uh, a disciple online and creating biblical community opportunities to, uh, help people go deeper in their faith.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 27:22 Let me tell you, man, it's a team. It's a team effort. We've got an amazing team here at life church that we're, we're excited to, to try new things and do different things and fail quickly and adjust quickly. And also our global team of volunteers, they're just there. They're bought in, they're excited. They're, they're also alongside us, willing to do whatever. Um, and uh, and so that combination really, uh, really helps us focus what is truly what we're truly after.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:49 One of the biggest problems that I see with churches that are doing church online where they're, they're stuck is, okay, we're broadcasting the service. We've got hundreds, maybe a thousand people watching this. We know its views. Analytics are telling me that a significant amount of traffic is local within the city. Analytics are telling me that significant amount of traffic that's outside of the city. So it's kind of all over. But I don't know who these people are. Hmm. So like, I've got people who are doing church in isolation. That's not good. We want people in community. Um, what are some things that, that you guys, Life Church has done that you've seen done. How do we break down those walls of isolation and it start to discover, you know, who is actually watching and church online? So once we know who they are, we can pull them in. What, what's worked for you guys?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 28:42 Yeah, I mean we see, we see life church online as just another location where we have church. And so in the same way that we would attack problems, we would attack them the same way at physical locations. And so we think to ourselves, how would we handle it if we had some people coming in and sitting in the back row, which we do a lot and then leaving right away. We don't know who they are. We might see their face for a brief moment or actually we might not. And so, uh, so they come in, they sit down, they leave. How might we help them engage now for a time that might be the best next step for them. It'd be amazing if they came back and then they came back again. Then they came back again and just had a great experience. Every time they came in, maybe they introduced themselves, maybe we engage them and maybe we lead them to engage.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 29:30 You know, we say we say all the time, we will not say our people won't. We've committed as a church to say, we won't say our people won't. We'll actually say we've not led them to yet. And so, so really if we, if we have people coming online, we want to lead them to take that next step to have a conversation. And so that's in maybe a transition video from worship to pastor Craig. We may say, Hey, here's a question, why don't you answer that in the chat and express genuine concern for them and to see them where they're at. And so really engaging that online audience as if they are in the room, which they are. They are in the room. And so you may say in a physical location, we'd love to meet you in the lobby, connect with our team in the lobby. We might do the, we do the exact same thing online. We say connect with us in that chat area. Join a life group. Life is better together and we're so glad you're here. Those are the bills. That's the language, that's the culture. That's how we're leading people towards deeper connection and not just a coming and going.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:35 Great one. And I know one of the movements that I, that I've seen with groups lately has been, um, you know, in clay Scroggins this has talked a lot about this where, uh, they've started marketing the digital groups, not just to the online campus but actually to the, to the physical campus as well. Your guys' group approach is, is it is a unified like that where somebody can attend a physical campus and then a virtual small group. Is that encouraged? Is that discouraged? Like how do you handle nuances like,
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 31:08 yeah, absolutely. Specifically it goes both ways. We've had, uh, many opportunities in our, in our campuses where I find someone that's near a campus that wants to join a life group. And so I'll connect them with that local life group's pastor and they'll start it at a physical location, but yet they found that physical location through life church online. So, and then the opposite happens. There are people at physical campuses that approach the, the, the, the life groups team at that campus and says, Hey, I'd like to start an online group. And so they'll both list them for their local volunteers. But then that life that completer would like to open it up globally and say like, Hey, I want to start a homeschool moms group and I want to open it up to more than just the city. And so that life groups team will send us that information and we'll, we'll help them connect globally as well. So it can go both ways.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:59 It's, it's interesting the um, the relationship you're describing, um, cause it's, it's irregular and you've had a regular results. And I'm not saying the two are really, actually, I am saying the two are related, but like how do, and this gets back to this idea of, of culture, right? Cause so you guys have this culture where it's a healthy balance between what you're describing, a healthy balance between physical and virtual, between the, the brick and mortar and online where they're cohabitating very well, very efficiently and helping each other not viewed as, as, um, as opposites or almost enemies. Like, and, and I, I have, I have clients, I have, um, churches that, that I've, I've worked with that, that would paint the picture of [inaudible]. Yeah. I'm literally a larger church in the Midwest, five, 6,000 people literally having conversations about shutting down their online campus or online campus reaches multiple thousands of people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:59 Um, uh, a week, uh, because the church saw that the online attendance was growing, physical campus was declining and therefore we want to shut down the online campus and force everybody come to the building. I may be overstating on some things, but that's the general principle of a lot of the churches out there. And yet somehow you've created this healthy balance culture between the physical as well as, as online where you're working together towards a common goal and people are inner weaving between physical and online healthy as they should. How do you create that culture?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 33:35 Well, the first thing I would say is I, I never want to doubt anything that God may be calling a specific church or leadership to do. And so, so, uh, I, I really want a, whatever the lead pastor, senior pastor at any physical location to here is that I'm, uh, uh, w we never want to say that there's, this is the only way. Um, um, W to answer the second part of your question, I would say that we, we truly do believe both at life church, online and at all of our physical locations, which they're one in the same. We feel like our, um, that the church is truly not a building, but it's the people. And so that is, that is really the culmination of how we've led our people to believe that it is the people. It is in deeper levels of community.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 34:23 That it is that people still, whether they come online or come in person to us it's the same. And we, we've had to make that, that call. And it not that I've, I've not heard anything to where that was an even difficult call. That was a call that we understood that the church truly is the people. Um, and, uh, we say this all the time at, at life church online within our, our thing, we actually just just right near me, we have a saying on the wall, it says every number has a name. Every name has a story and every story matters to God. And so we may be seeing, we may be seeing people coming to our services and we consider them just a, a number x amount of people came and then x amount of people left when really we have to understand that because the church is the people and not a building, that that number has a name and that name has a story and that story matters to God. And so it's not understanding. It's that culture that we've been able to, to, um, to fall into that, uh, that's led us to, to really have this, this, um, this outcome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:30 Yeah. I'm going to steal that. Every number has a name. Um, every name has a story and every story matters to God. That's it. Well, actually who actually said that? That's pastor Craig Craig or Craig Rochelle. Yes. Awesome. Awesome. Hey Craig, if you're not listening, but if you were, thank you. I, I appreciate the, uh, the a quote. That's awesome. Um, man, they're there. This has been great. It's been really good. I, I love, I love your heart to create community. I love your heart to, to work alongside the campuses. Um, I love how God is, is, is rewarding your, your faithfulness in a humbleness, um, in, in mighty ways to make a difference in the kingdom. Like this has been been really exciting and, and, and encouraging for the listeners and those that are out there. Um, what's the, you said there's no silver bullets. I totally get that. What's the first step? So I'm doing a broadcast. Uh, I need to, I want to take that first step. I want to create groups. I have no idea how to start. Where do I start?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 36:41 Yeah. I, I would say if, if you're, if you're doing a broadcast and you're not cultivating online community, your first step would be to either yourself or develop a team too, to stimulate online community around that broadcast. So stimulate that online community, um, create that community around that content is really what we w we would say. And so then, so once, once you're there, um, and you've got two or three on your team that show up at every service or they're parceled out of different services and they're answering every comment that comes in, like welcoming them personally, getting to know their stories, engaging with them with the content, then I, uh, step two would be to find people [inaudible] to lead groups that you could lead them into deeper levels. And so, um, step two would be, um, John Smith wants to lead a life group. It's gonna be on Tuesday nights at this time, or it's going to be an ongoing Facebook group.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 37:45 And, uh, then I can lead them to that. Something that we've, we've tried that has, has, um, has it, has it had a decent result of it will actually gather people together and create a Facebook group for them and then, and then connect them to it. Um, it's, it's gotten okay results. I wouldn't say that's a silver bullet. Just like what, you know, you said there's no silver bullet, but, uh, um, then I, then I would say, I would say also something that has really been a game changer for us has been having a, a Facebook group that we can filter everyone to. So every person, so we call it our global global Facebook group, you know, and so, so, um, we have a certain amount amount of people that are in there that are part of our services that either find that group or find it as a result of our service so they go to and from that group, from a service or to a service. Um, but really it's a way that every day, um, uh, members of our team and volunteers are engaging people, uh, with different questions of the day and different, um, updates about what different events at Church online, um, really about your next steps and different, different things we want to lead people towards.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 38:59 Okay. So you're Craig creating community around the event chat rooms, stuff like that. Meeting people, getting names, cataloging their information in some sort of database. And then inviting them into like a mega group for your entire online environment. And so that online group could involve hundreds, if not thousands of people. Uh, it could involve a physical campus, people that are just attending, uh, online occasionally as well. Like you're going to get a lot of crossover, but, and then once you have all those people, once you have their contact info, once you have them on, on Facebook, funneling all of them and trying to get those people connected into some sort of an online group where they can be part of a biblical community and somebody can, can spiritually be, be caring for them. That that's awesome.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 39:49 Exactly. I mean, I think like, uh, I would say w the audience here that's listening is, you know, pastors and church leaders and, and different individuals. And so I would say it's the same way you might, uh, if you're starting a new, a new location or even planting a church, what would be your first step to do what it would probably be to try to foster community around, you know, the message of what, what you're doing. So how much you do that. Well, first you'd have people greeting at the front door to make sure that this is, you know, help people see that. So you would do the same online, you'd have people greeting and uh, and stimulating that community in like a, a lobby of sorts and uh, in your chat area. And then you might say, man, take your next step to join a group. So
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 40:36 love it. Love it. Let me get one more question before we go. Um, what do you guys study curriculum content wise? Like what with online? Is it the same thing as a physical groups? What, what does that look like content wise?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 40:49 Yes, it is the same thing as physical locations and all of those groups as well. So we have every week we have questions that are created by our team that this is the life church team that all of the campuses get and church on life church online gets is that as well. Um, and these are deeper questions, what you might see at, at most churches that do a small group ministry model where they're diving down deeper into the message. So we get that. And then also there's specific content that we record out of series. Pastor Craig will record extra kind of bonus content videos. And so at physical locations they'll have those, those life groups. Um, pastor Craig has these, these things with like help let me lead your life group. And so it's really effective whenever, you know, pastor Craig is on the screen and then you get to have a conversation about that, that content of what he just said.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 41:46 And so it's not just deeper, it's deeper, deeper even. So, you know, and so, um, so that's, that's been really effective too. And as far as curriculum, we hold it really open-ended. We, they're not required to bring up the, what we call our talking over notes. Those are the questions out of that, that, uh, that week's sermon, they're not required to follow in any sort of specific curriculum. Um, we really have a high degree of, of trust of like leads your community, help your community grow. And, uh, and we're excited that you're doing it within, within life church and around our services.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 42:21 Awesome. Awesome. It's really exciting. And it's, it's funny, like when I've talked to churches about their online and the church that doing a small group, um, some of them tend to create systems that are very complex, but yours is very simple, you know, very reproducible, very, I, you know, ski. Yes, there's technology behind it, but, you know, yeah, it's, it's, it's questions from the sermon so people watch the sermon. The easiest thing for them to do is there's the follow up on that. And, and so to use that as the vehicle to grow into reproduce groups, maybe some easier groups to help people get started. Like that's, that's an encouraging thing to consider. Don't, don't overcomplicate it. Um, maybe try to keep it simple to allow people to connect to the community and then let God move within the community and grow it as, as he does. So that's that to me, that's a huge takeaway right there. Just keep it, I mean, I hate to be like the kiss, keep it simple, stupid guy, but rapid podcast, keep it simple. Right. You know, and then just allow God to, to move as he does. So that, that's really encouraging. Uh,
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 43:33 yeah, there's, there is a, there's resources at your, at your disposal, you know, this is doable. This is, this is, uh, this is biblical, this is a, and so, um, that's a, that we're just really excited about what God has allowed us the opportunity to do. And, um, and if, if you have any questions at all, I would love the opportunity to just have a, have a conversation with you about, about what God might be doing in your, your unique situation and, uh, and see what God might might have for you.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 44:04 Well, that's awesome. Hey, so we're, where can they find you online?
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 44:08 Yeah, you can reach out on Instagram. My handle is @ryanmsharp.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 44:18 Cool. And so you can go on there and I'm sure he's got some Europe posts still somewhere from United Kingdom on there, just recently and others. I appreciate it. Like, I've engaged with you several times online and you know, listen audience, I'll tell you like he was very receptive and open quickly to jump back so that was, it's always good to know like when people are like open and receptive.
  
    
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  Ryan Sharp: 44:46 Yeah, man, the heartbeat of our church, the heartbeat of our leadership is we're all about the capital C Church. And so we really, we believe in what God is doing here at life church. But we also believe in what God is doing in the global capital c church. And so for you listening, um, we're, um, got a, God's called you for a specific purpose. He's a, um, and uh, and you can do this and if you feel a level of discouragement just to turn to Jesus and refocus on what truly is important and lead well.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 45:18 Hmm. Amen. I was going to ask you if there's any thoughts to wrap up, but honestly that was the most eloquent thing I think we could wrap up on. So we're just going to call it done for Ryan. Uh, this says Jeff with the church digital. Thanks for joining us and, uh, we'll see you next time. Have a good day.

  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey there. Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and I'm excited to be putting this episode together for you guys. This is episode 24 we've done 24 of these and we are not slowing down one bit. If you're relatively new here with the church digital podcast, the heart behind this is literally to facilitate a conversation about what church online can be. All of us across America doing church online. We don't have the answer yet. We're still trying to figure this out from the big churches like the Saddleback and the elevations down to the small churches that are, that are struggling to put together a broadcast. There's no clear answer of what church online is. And truthfully, our goal here is to facilitate a conversation, to talk to some people, to ask them questions, and create a learning environment so that all of us can learn how to do church online more effectively.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 00:51 And so we've got a unique episode here with episode 24. We're bringing in one of my closest friends, his name is Ken Schaffer. Uh, to the, to the podcast today, Ken and I used to work together at Christ fellowship Miami. He was stewardship pastor at the time, uh, and was responsible for a lot of things and utilizing Dave Ramsey and, and, um, uh, financial peace university in that. And so we're going to be talking a lot about that. And, and, and early on in Ken's of my relationship, cause I'm an online guy, I really challenged him to think more about doing some of his trainings, uh, virtually in an, in an online space. Um, and, and what's, what's fascinating, the reason I wanted to bring Ken back to the conversation, it was the first time I had this conversation with them. Ken Honestly looked at me and said, that's not the illogically allowed.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:41 You're wrong. And I'm okay. Maybe you didn't say the theological word, but he basically was like, you're wrong. You're stupid. Uh, but what I love about Ken and our relationship is I just kept pestering him over and over again until he changed his mind and he started to see the advantage doing church online. It's not really, I just wanted to wrestle with that conversation here. Okay. Here's a guy who used to think against doing community and trainings and in online environments and now he's more comfortable with that and even uses it more, um, in, in his current work space. And I'm going to let him explore it. I don't necessarily need to, to unpack it in detail because I don't give away the podcast. So here you go. I've got Ken Schaffer who actually works with Dave Ramsey now I've got ray drms online, pastor Christ Fellowship Miami and myself, Jeff Reed with the church digital in a conversation centered around equipping, utilizing online technologies. Here you go. I got to tell you, I've been looking forward to this conversation because man, can I, I love you and I really miss spending time with you and having some of these in depth conversations. Um, like we had an ed Christ fellowship and, and one of the things that I, that I love about Ken is that he's never afraid to tell me that I'm wrong. Um, because he's done that, the majority of our relationship telling me that about wrong. I'm crazy.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 03:00 And in a context, some of the, and in context of the church online stuff and the online community, um, that's been just an, an ongoing, a long conversation for someone who's been like, I'm not quite sure how that works to somebody who is kind of, uh, spun it and taken it to a, to a different perspective. And so when, when Ken and I were together and ray was, was around down Ed Christ Fellowship Miami and Ken was, was doing a lot with the Dave Ramsey stuff and, and that, and we really wrestled with what that looked like in context of doing it online and offering it online. And so, Hey Ken bet. Just take a moment. Just tell us some of that story kind of, kind of what that, what that looked like.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 09:22 And the reason is because you actually are looking at everyone all the time. So everyone has to participate. That's good. Nobody gets a pass. And the very, in my work now, I do a lot of work on zoom and so I'm like, I'm talking to you gentlemen right now and an iPad, you're about 18 inches away. It's actually much more intimate in many ways than an in person meeting. So the group calls itself out. I found the level of engagement and accountability in the last virtual group. I led to be higher than that in many of the fiscal groups that I've led. How so? I think that convert that basic conversation. I mean we just stayed in, we stayed in touch by text throughout the week, got as lube texts me if they couldn't come or whatever. But I think in a circle, one or two people are always going to dominate the conversation in a panel. When I'm looking at the, when I'm have big gallery view and it's the Brady bunch you, it's much easier. The visual cues make it much easier to know who's not participating in the call, that personnel. Um, in addition to what you're just closer, you're looking at everyone all the time. I can't do that in a circle. I can do it one on one or one on two, but in a group of of 10 families in a circle, I can't do it.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 10:45 A them to each other? I couldn't really speak to, uh, I think if that happens it probably happens more digitally because they largely had no context. They didn't know each other. I know would say this is a little bit different. Financial peace by its nature has a beginning and an end. I talk about it often being it's a decent sport kind of con quickly beginning and an end. My goal is in a course is to teach you some specific, some specific principles, habits, behaviors and then you're going to learn them and then the course is done at the end of nine weeks and that frustrates the snot out. A small group, pastors and, and church environments, they say, is it a small group? Is it not a small group? Do we count it? Do we not count it? And you guys are laughing cause we've all, we've all been in that environment.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 11:28 The reality is people will get helps um, on an ongoing basis. I think if we were going to do community, uh, we would probably do it a little bit differently. I have a friend who just wed a financial piece group virtually like what I just described. And he actually had a group text going with all the folks in the group and he found that to be quite good and they stayed engaged throughout the duration. Um, you're always going to have folks drop out of things. What I found with doing the virtual group the way we did it, it gives people an easier way to come online. So thinking about the environment that we had at Christ fellowship or any, any church, not just, that's the one that three of us share in common. You have, uh, some folks that are our attenders and, and really the other folks who make it happen.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 12:15 Well, the folks that make things happen, like their schedule is pretty well tapped out. They're coming for, to serve. They're serving in a service on the weekend, maybe two. They're participating, they're in a small group, maybe immense group as well. And on top of that you're saying, hey, look, I want you to engage in this content. It's going to change your life. All I need is you to pause something else for nine weeks. Well, they don't want to stop something, right? But in nine 30 at night, they can engage for 30 extra minutes as long as they can do it from their home. Coming to a small group is hard, right? You've got to drive across town, you've got to worry about your kids. You've got to dive into the thing. And I'm not saying there's not a place, I have a small group meeting right now in my house in Franklin, Tennessee and I love these folks.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 12:54 Um, but there are seasons of being able to do that and there are more efficient, there can be more efficient ways to equip people. Here's a quick trivia question for you. You're ready and do you guys are Florida guys? So if you two are the Thomas Edison home on the West Coast of Florida, uh, one time when I two or they said what his favorite and mentioned was and his favorite invention was not what you'd think it was the phonograph. And the reason was not what you think when that was invented in the 19th century. Thomas Edison thought about that devices being the democratization of education that people would have access to education inexpensively and a distance and it's taken more than 140 years. But kind of in our modern world with online education, even in the church where online discipleship where some of those ideas, um, those barriers become blurred and his vision for that spun that becoming a little bit more of a reality.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:47 It's funny because I, I as, as I've studied history throughout that, and it's, it's interesting that you pointed out that that was Edison's perspective. And I know we're kind of looking at a grander conversation here, but even then, I, I've seen that over time where a lot of folks look at new technologies and they see that in terms of sex birth, but then they try other folks come along and try and restrict that and control that. So, you know, Edison events, the photograph and then, you know, eventually other, you know, copyright becomes an issue and other folks start to constrict and control. Whereas the Internet has kind of freed a lot of content up and still a lot of folks are worried about, well how do we control this, control that. But especially for those of us in the church world, should we be asking more how to leverage this for free for the sake of helping folks in terms of engaging in community and not just the content?
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 14:30 Yeah. How do we release it? I mean it's depending on how far back you go in history, movable type was considered the death of education. The idea that of printed that the masses could have books was going to be an issue and a problem. So, uh, I'm all about equipping people and I'm about a mute. I'm about removing their excuses. Be equipped. I want to, I want to meet people where they are. I mean, there's the, the performance oriented part of me. You, I just want to say sacrifice, suck it up and let's get it done. And then the more pastoral, compassionate side of me wants to make it easy and to bring people along. Somewhere in that mix is a,
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:21 Yeah, no it's all good cause I think and we want to hear more from, from you on the situation. Um, for me it's, it's really like what Kevin was talking about. It removes a lot of the excuses and you really start to find like who's really in and who's really out seriousness of community. Um, you know, and especially with, with discipleship, you know, so much of it, and this is hard in the local church content text because we want more groups and we want people bought into groups and, but then there's folks who are always telling you, hey, I want to go deeper. I want more. And so with online discipleship I found now you remove a lot of the excuses and you start to tell him, hey listen, if you really want to go deeper, if you want to go more, this is the commitment.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:59 Like you don't have to worry about like what Ken said, he worried about putting kids worried about this because we're moving all of those excuses. What we do want to know is we want to know that one year engaging with the content and two that you're ready to have real discussion with it because we've removed a lot of the other barriers from there, which means that number three there left without excuses. So now we start to get to the nitty gritty if they, especially if they've not engaged with the first two steps. So that encourages people in the group to call them out. But then also as a leader, it's our responsibility to step up our game and call them out and enter into uncomfortable situations of, hey, in this particular case with Ramsey solutions, hey, so why didn't you watch the video this week? You know, we've given you an audio and a video portion of it. Why didn't you do those things on the side where I've done a online groups where we've, where we've done scripture reading, Hey, so seriously, like what was the excuse as far as not engaging with the scripture week? You could open the Bible app, you could have put it on audio and I know that leads to a lot of uncomfortable conversations, but it's those uncomfortable conversations that leads to growth.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 17:58 Yeah, and I would add that I think, I mean all, all three of us have spent our entire lives and a variety of ministry contexts. We each have small church, large church and medium church experience. Right. What all those have in common is that when people say churches are full of hypocrites, they're largely right. I mean I'm one. Yep. And so there's like intimacy in a church and transparency in person is difficult. I remember it was with a group of pastors maybe 15 years ago.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 18:25 It was a small group kind of accountability thing and they said how you doing? And like seven guys in a row said they were doing great and just painted it know fine. Right? And then the, the eighth one, I don't remember how many, there weren't as funny. I can't even remember this guy's name. But he said, actually, he says, I'm struggling. All right, I have, I have no motivation. And I knew we'll never forget it. He would set a couple other things and then he said, and when I opened up the Bible, it says dry as dust.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 18:54 Well I've never seen that happen before. And so like the and, and, and that's, that's hard, right? It's hard to do that. But here's what was interesting about those pastors. They weren't all in the same church and as a group of pastors was kind of regional and they were meeting together. I wonder how difficult it would be for that same man to the pastor. And there's nothing wrong with him. We go through those seasons, that conversation with his elders or with his peers. So I think there is, there is some value
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 19:19 and anonymity isn't right, but maybe, maybe distance. And so I've known financial peace groups just because that's, again, that's my current context where they happened with, with guys from multiple time zones. I mean, you're just so what's a lot easier to talk about? What might be right or wrong with my money or my spiritual walk? Uh, uh, with people I'm never likely to meet, right? I can see tremendous, uh, I can see tremendous power in that. But if you guys have ever, if you've ever been to a, to what, to an AA or an any meeting or anything like that. The name is alcoholics. What? Anonymous. Anonymous, right? Same. Same kind of deal. But we're going to, we're going to level set something so we all can recognize that we're struggling. So to me it's, it's the right tools, the right place. There's people for whom an online group or any kind of environment like that will never work. Right? And there's people for whom it's always the next best step.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 20:12 And that's what's interesting about financial peace university. Right? I remember when we first, when Laura and I first launched our first FPU group, we actually had a visitor come to small group that night with, with his wife. And so like it was their first time ever to our group and they weren't even coming for an FPU group. They were just coming cause hey, we were a small group and we were, we just happen to be starting FPU that day. And I remember presenting the information and tell them, hey, listen, if you want, you can engage, you know, and if not, that's cool. And I remember them clears day telling me, yeah, we're okay. We don't need this as not for us. Whatever. Well they stay throughout the group, just engaging in the content and, and um, and then after the fact about two down the road, they themselves were asking if they can host an FPU group at their house. And really what it took was it took time for them to get in that kind of community where they felt comfortable enough to reveal their finances and all that. Cause they weren't going to be open with that from the get go. They weren't just gonna let us into their world like that from the first meeting. But after a while, the wall started to come down and they felt more ready to engage in community from then on.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 21:11 Yeah. And you know, that happens independent of content, right? So if you think about, if you think about, um, I mean and like men's discipleship content, you know, encrypted guys, they're not going to get together and ensure that they're struggling until maybe the second or third time today. Right. Right. And, and that is, um, just a reality of who we are and where we are in a, in a, in our intercultural. I don't think that struggles anything new. So I want to, Satan's best a Bain's best tactics is to let us think the word divided in alum and when in fact we're all struggling.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 21:47 Hmm. That's true. How do you get in? How do you, how did you advise leaders to get beyond, um, just kind of the face answers. Cause I imagine a lot of folks just like you're talking about, come with, hey, I'm fine at group. A lot of folks are coming with their budget and it's a total lie.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 22:01 Yeah. I've never seen that. I don't know what you're talking about. That strategy doesn't change whether it's virtual or in person, right. It's you're only gonna get out of something what you put into it. And if you're, you know, if you're distorting your mirror, if you've got a fun house mirror instead of one that's showing you a real picture, like you're never going to make progress. So I mean it's, and that's independent of financial discussions, you know, I mean that's a conversation I'll have with everybody. Like who you are right now is the sum total of decisions you've made and what you've been reading and kind of your actions. So if you like it, let's keep doing that. And if you don't like it, let's change.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:37 Yeah. How do you help folks balance out when they're leading a group? So, Hey, I got, I got two types of people in my group. I've got one guy who's got a lot of money and he's a lot in debt and I've got another guy with a little bit of money. And he's a lot in debt for him too. Just balancing out those too because especially when you're doing online, like you get a variety of characters, you know, some folks who are business folks on the go and they think that they've got everything under control, troll with leverage and debt and then, uh, we're just struggling or like, hey look, I'm just getting by with free public internet
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 23:08 when I go to the library. Yeah, yeah. Um, I don't know and I guess I haven't had that in an online environment. To me that's really a pastoring question. I want to pastor both of those guys. Right. So I want to ask them. I always I have is I have a set of stock questions. I asked people about any situation, financial or otherwise. One of them is what's the biblical principle that applies to your situation right now? And most of the time people know it.
  
    
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  Speaker 4: 23:34 Hmm.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 23:35 Right. And so then the question is, okay, well what do we need to do related to that biblical principle?
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 23:42 let me ask this because with, with you, with relationship with Ramsey,
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 23:46 you're working with churches across the country, you're having these conversations, uh, about doing FPU. Um, you either, you know, physically and even virtually in some situations, uh, average response when you talk about FPU virtually, uh, churches. That's awesome. That's crazy. What is virtual? Like what, what is, what's the response? What's the temperature out there?
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 24:11 Yeah, I would say the average responses open. Hmm. Really? And, and, and, and I think, but I think Jeff, I learned that from you. And so I'm going to and, and here's what I mean by that. That's the, the challenge to move content online is something I would probably not have considered, but for our friendship and what you are trying to help me accomplish. So when I talk to churches about that, I always talk about both hands. I say, we're going to, you know, we're going to help you plan something for you know, all your people to go through financial peace university. And then I will ask the question, what about your online strategy? And then if they have an online pastor and you and I know some of those guys in common, uh, so they bring that person into the conversation. And if they don't, I'll say, well, you know, what do you do online?
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 24:52 How do you engage? And then I tell them exactly what I told you, which is, look, if we do it this way, you have an opportunity to pick up people that you won't otherwise get. And they say, tell me more about that. And I tell them the same thing and I throw them to game of Thrones and they always drop by contacts. So I'll say, you know, once a night though, I guess game of Thrones is off now I read, I'd never watched it. So sure you need another analogy. Game of Thrones, big little lies, big little lies, big little lies. Okay. Whatever it is. I'm sorry. Quick side note. You know we had, we had a coworker one time asked me if I'd seen stranger things and my answer was that what just cause I love it. I didn't know it was a thing. Even though as far as I'm concerned, the 1980s are the culmination of our civilization.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 25:40 So all that is side I set. Um, I, what I talk about is picking up stragglers. I don't, I don't want to use this as an exit Jesus, but I've been giving thought to what does it mean when, when, um, when Jesus leaves 99 sheep and gets one sheep. And I'm not saying that online. What is is is a, is it is, it is an application of that teaching. But I will say like using whatever tools we have to reach people that need to be reached for whatever thing it is we're trying to accomplish in the church, whether it's evangelism, whether it's discipleship, whether it's community, however it is you want to draw lines around those boxes, which kind of lead together. Um, they're, they're kind of into it. And so it's a non dealing almost primarily, almost exclusively with really large churches. That's kind of what I do.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 26:25 So they have a different set of resources at their disposal. But the hilarious thing is in the last week, like, well, what do we need to do? Is it something we need from you? I'm like, no, actually you already have financial peace and zoom is free. And they go that they said there's no other smelling. No, it isn't even our thing. We don't even sell it. We just tell you, give you a vision to do it on your own. And they say, yeah, that's it. Like, I don't, that's not something we do. We just want to, we want to create multiple ways for people to access content in groups.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 26:52 It's amazing. I can't find years ago, five years ago, I don't think it would've looked five years ago, wouldn't it looked like there's no way. Yeah, I know. And I will say this personally, like I've, I've seen just even within the past two years, um, conversations going from you're crazy. Like when I had these conversations with pastors in Churches, I've literally been told, you're crazy, 18 months, two years ago, now I'm being told, you're right. We're just not ready for that.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 27:19 Yeah, I get that. And so then again, in my context, which is very discreet, I have a beginning and an end. So I'm like, you know what? You're ready to try nine weeks, like just try this and if you hate it, stop doing it. Yeah. That's very easy.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:36 yeah. And that, that's gotta be helpful in the same way that, that in some ways, you know, financial peace groups have helped want, I'm going communities, you know, ongoing small groups. Some of these communities are going to continue on stick. Like whether it's for the existing online pastor or whether it's for somebody who gets caught a bug for it and they're like, hey, we just like hanging out with these folks. You know, we're going to keep doing this and we're going to keep studying the word together or something else. I mean, it's just a continuation of great community.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 28:02 So let me ask this because you see the big picture. Yeah. Your context is, is centered around RAMSI and FPU, which is, which is a nine week. The thing that I've always loved about you can, is your open to the, the honest conversations and, and you speak your mind. Um, so moving beyond the nine week window, theoretically this isn't your avenue, but I want you to speak into this. What challenges does the church need to overcome to create a holistically online biblical community that solely meets through zoom x thing, other platform, digital platforms?
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 28:40 Well, you know, I think that as, that's really the question, right? That's something you want Kurzweil or somebody to, to kind of throw some mindspace space at. And I know people that pay more attention to that than I do. Um, given that a lot of words and a lot of thought.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 29:01 this is one of those areas where,
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 29:06 [inaudible] we're, we're change will ultimately become inevitable. And what I mean is society ultimately like, like the church will track with that. As people communicate, those changes just naturally come. So I don't know the wheat, we have a complete idea of what that looks like or what the barriers are. But if you think about, I mean, and you may have these statistics like how many workers in an average week use zoom to connect for something like, I don't use just zoom in zoom just in communities. I use it to do my job. Right? Right. So, so it's becoming more and more ubiquitous, which is like all time favorite sat word. I just love that word. So those barriers, those, those um, is the barriers come down. It just becomes that much more acceptable in common. So I think maybe the answer is as community, not church community, but just as community becomes increasingly digital and legitimate community.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 29:59 I don't mean Instagram influencer, tribe, Facebook happy pseudo stuff is people legitimately connect this way. It'll happen. It'll happen more and more and I don't, there's folks are that are always going to be on the front end of that like you to want to make that happen more quickly. Um, early innovators, adopters, that kind of thing. I don't, yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of struggling with that answer. It's the same thing I tell pastors, which is like, just try it because you can, you can undo it. Like you can just stop, but see, see what value you get in the, I think those answers ultimately emerge. That's okay. There's a period in my life where it's very easy for me to meet for breakfast meeting at six or 7:00 AM in the morning and I treasured those types of personal community and Cuban toast and you know, the whole thing in the cafeteria and Miami, the reality of where I live, the community that I'm in, the job I do instead, I'm like that meeting today is basically impossible for me, but that other ones are always possible
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 31:00 right there. Right. There was a hard thing for me to adapt as a, as a campus pastor that I think, um, like when I was leading a physical location, I was also going through a change of station life and that we just had a baby and so were beforehand I was like, Hey, I'm ready and adaptable for like 6:00 AM 7:00 AM meetings. That kind of thing. Where if I would have thought through, and this was a few years ago and even though I was super into tech and all this stuff, I didn't think through the concept of hey, this is a great space to leverage for community and for all this stuff. I think it would help me out tremendously and it, and it also would have freed up the volunteer here just on a regular basis in the sense of, hey, like you don't have to, you know, take time out of your workday and show up to a random Starbucks near you or whatever else. Like we can still meet and have this kind of community and it would've provided more time for genuine questions or to dig in a little bit further.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 31:46 But I mean, again, my own current circumstance when we just recently moved from five separate buildings in my company to one giant building, it's a huge campus and 800 some 50 something. Dave Ramsey employees are all in one place. And do you know what his is? He talked about that vision. He talked about how creativity was going to be unleashed people because we were in one location and, and I kinda heard that, but you know, I was not in that, I was not in our new offices two hours before. It's able to have a conversation and make something shorter and better because of the fact that guy was in my building that was previously in a different one. So it's always going to be a both. And we're not d we are, we are analog creatures, not digital creatures. Digital is the tool. Right. Great. That's good. Yeah. Love that. It's not in to that, to that point, like church online, a healthy online isn't the abandonment
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:40 of, of the community. Uh, it's, it's the distribution of communities and, and other areas. And within recent weeks we've, we did a deep dive really discovering church anywhere, which is out of first capital, um, their location. They're doing 16 micro locations, you know, in a really small town, rural area of Indiana. We just got off a elevation within the past week as well. And talking about their watch parties and about how they're doing this in a big way. Saddleback is pushing the micro as well. And so like there's, there's legitimacy in, in not abandoning the physical space. God causes, God calls us, the Bible calls us not abandoned meeting together. Um, and that, that isn't necessarily what's happening, but the ability to, to encourage, to strengthen, to disciple, to help others grow, utilizing, uh, the virtual space here. Like zoom, uh, you know, you mentioned a text group earlier.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 33:39 WHATSAPP definitely does that. Uh, we've talked to people, uh, Jake, who does the, the video game, what platform is it? Discord. Um, Ray, we've talked with him in the past. He used like a, it's a whatsapp discord platform for that. You know, there, there's plenty of opportunities to, uh, to connect with, with community. One of the things that I love and I, and I heard, um, play Scroggins over at north port. I heard him say this at a, at a conference I was at. Um, the business world looks at the digital disruption as an opportunity. Um, and they see all of the, the functionalities and the features and the things and the business world adopts this digital disruption, all this new technology as a way to make what they do better as a general role. The church has been more hesitant in that area. It excites me.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 34:28 Can that you tell me that, you know, a lot of the larger churches than mega churches that you're working with have been pro doing this online and FPU may be the onramping towards changing some of that culture. Um, that aside though, it's been very difficult. Um, in recent years, churches may be starting to shift and get more on board and may be asking why or how and and that. But even still, like I had a conversation yesterday with the church that was actually going south, like they were wanting to shut down their online campus because it restricted and it was taking away so much from the physical space, which to me that's the worst thing you could ever do. But Hey, hey, let's stop the thing that's working. Yeah. You know, I, sorry, I'm eating, I'm not ostrich. Head in sand kind of came to mind, kind of joked with the, the guy, but unfortunately some of that, that mentality is still out there. And so man, thanks for using your platform with Dave Ramsey to try to bring some awareness to that. And even if it's just for a nine week trial period, going through FBU man, thanks for helping churches
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 35:38 adopt that and start to realize the potential, uh, for education for community and context of using online. Yeah. Well this is, I mean, I'm all about discipling people and equipping them however it is that we need to do that, right? Whatever the tool is. So sometimes that'll be in person. Back in the day, it might've been a conference call. I've been a part of email list serves and chains going back. I mean, I'm going to go, that'll bring you back, right? It's an early nineties thing. And so there's the, I mean, the tools changed. Our mission doesn't, and so we want to, we want to engage in it, but we are awesome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:18 Well, hey, it's been a great podcast, ray, closing thoughts before we, uh, land the plane here.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:23 No, I'm grateful for what Ken has done and how you're, and how you're encouraging churches to continue to use a digital platforms just to try it out, to test it out, which is really what all this has been about. For those of you been listening for awhile, you know, that none of us have this down. We're all testing things. And so I'm gonna encourage you, you know, even if you don't do online groups, financial peace university is a great place to start. It's a great structure. And if you've never done FPU it's changed my life. It'll change yours.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 36:49 Well that was a good plug. I'll take that,
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 36:55 Ken, anything on, on your side? Anything. The land, the plane.
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 36:59 But you know, here's, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll finish where I started, which is, I'm probably the least digitally engaged person, you know. Uh, and, and I still have a, I still believe that there is room for guys like me to access content in a digital or an online environment. And I've helped people change their lives this way. And when I do that in my life has changed. So there's, um, the, Paul talked about being all things to all people, so that all means he might win some. Again, we're not going to draw a theology of online church, uh, from, from, uh, a couple of random verses. But I think there's something to that idea. Uh, before W I was saying no to something, I was want to say what if it worked. That's good. Amen.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:42 So since you're not socially, uh, accessible because you don't even know how to spell Twitter, um, if somebody wanted to reach out to you, yeah. What's, what's a good way or, or to get in touch with Ramsey?
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 37:53 Oh, signal smokes. Yeah. Smoke signals. Uh, well it's a, it's a pretty good question. Um, so I, I have an email address, which is ken.Shaffer@daveramsey.com. Email is something that people use before Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. Um, so Ken dot Shaffer Shaffer is s c h, a f. E. R. Then that's probably the easiest and fastest way to find me.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 38:16 So we'll put, we'll put that in the show notes. Um, as well as a number of articles. Why a kid needs to watch stranger things. If there's anyone on this planet can I need to watch
  
    
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  Ken Schafer: 38:29 you think your thanks Siri. You well maybe I'll check it out and I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I felt pretty
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 38:35 good earlier this year when I finally watched my first episode of the Big Bang theory about two months before went off the air. Apparently there's this new show called the office also. I might check that out. You have Netflix. It's all going to go sue. It's all going away. I'm going to speak your language here, Ken. Um, it is a, it is a, if, if you are a fan, which I know you are a venture of Bond Buckaroo Bonzai yes. He, the, the stylistic newness of that in an eighties. The randomness of it exists in stranger things. I might have to check it out. I'll see if I can, I do not. Okay. It's not like, you know, what's his name wearing the cowboy. They sell it on VHS. Funny enough, I think that, yes, like I just, I cannot believe you have not gotten into the stranger things thing.
  
    
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                    Before my wife and I got married, we were praying about becoming missionaries. Challenges like learning new languages, adapting to new cultures and new food came to mind. We quickly realized that we would be on separate hemispheres from our collective families. And while God didn’t call my wife and I to move to another continent 20+ years ago, we’ve eventually become a missionary in a different context…
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                    In EP023, we dig in with Tom Pounder, Online Pastor at New Life Christian Church and creator of Digital Bootcamp on Facebook, not only into the question of what is a “digital disciple”, but also, how can we create one? Can we create a disciple who can utilize online tools to create other disciples? Can we reach into the sub-cultures found on the Internet to meet new people who need Jesus in their lives?
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everyone. Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and we've got a great episode lined up for you today. You are listening to Episode 23. We're excited about this one. We've got one of my great friends from Church online coming in today, Tom Pounder. Tom is the Online Pastor over at New Life Christian Church, NLCC, over in Washington, DC, Virginia area. By the way, this is not the first time we've talked about New Life. In an earlier episode we had on Jate Earhart, who is a graphic design, actually no, excuse me, video motion graphics over at New Life. And so Jay was talking about his discipleship ministry for Video Gamers utilizing some different online platforms. If you didn't listen to that episode, definitely go back to it. But I'm definitely excited about what's coming up this episode with Tom as we're digging into this idea of what exactly a digital missionary is and more specifically what it could be.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:00 This idea of, hey, we all have a digital presence at some level and how we communicate, how we share, how we can train people to be a disciple who's capable of creating a disciple, utilizing virtual methods, utilizing digital methods. It was really an interesting conversation. Tom and I started on this path a couple of weeks ago and it ended up stopping the conversation, was like, hey, we really need to do this in podcast format because a lot of the questions that we're asking right now, I'm sure others are listening, asking and out there. Listening audience, as with all our podcasts, we may not have all the answers. But, we definitely have questions that hopefully will help you dig in while you try to figure out the answers for yourself. And so we've got Tom, we've got Rey DeArmas, guest host coming back in again, Online Pastor from Christ Fellowship Miami.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 01:53 And so love having Rey on, as always. Little confession, it's been a rough week this week in the news, time wise. We discovered that Marvel, Disney, had a little breakup with Sony and Spiderman is no longer in the Marvel cinematic universe. Not gonna lie, it was a little traumatic time for my kids. Not gonna lie, it was a traumatic time for myself. And so, we talk about it a little bit at the beginning of this podcast. If you're one of these people who are like, Jeff, get over it, it's a movie. Here's what I need you to do. I just need to take the little scrub bar in the podcast. You know, shove it down maybe three or four minutes. You'll be fine. If you're like, I totally hear you. This is bonkers. Spiderman was a billion dollar movie.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:19 Well and this is where the blame keeps getting shifted back and forth because I understand how Sony would look at this and say, Hey, look like you guys are getting 100% of the merchandise and you guys are getting all this stuff, you know. We're just getting 95% of the box office stuff.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 07:21 Awesome. So we actually have a podcast we need to talk about, although this Spiderman stuff is very fresh on our minds. And so, by the way, like listening audience, you can't see this. I literally have a Spiderman fidget cube on my desk. This is what I use to release stress. So like, we're all feeling this pain at home, Peter Parker, Tom Halland, and wherever we are, you are, we do love you. But let's dive into the church online piece since that's what the listening audience really wants to hear. I wanted to dive into something here. Okay. We've got this gathering of people. We've got all these people that are watching. What's next? What do you do with them after they're watching?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 08:51 And I'll kind of share that as a way to reach out to a broader base of people. And then, so I was talking to someone who's starting to help me out a little bit more with the church online stuff. And he said, well, a lot of people know you, Tom, because of what you're doing and sharing and doing things, you know, but how can we maybe equip and train people to do exactly what you're doing so that we can reach even more people? And that's when, again, this term is new. It's not something I came up with, but it's something that I've really thought a lot about. I heard probably a few years ago this idea of digital missionary. What would it look like maybe for someone to take that next step and say, hey, listen, I am a believer. I've accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior. Now what does it look like for me to reach my family or my friends or my coworkers online? How can I use digital tools to do that and become a missionary online? So that's what one of the things I actually really started exploring a lot about. What would it look like for me to train people to be this digital missionary? What do I have to do to equip them? And so that's what I've been really processing a lot lately.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 10:06 What would a digital, cause you got first off, what's a digital missionary? And then secondly, you know, the training, the duplication parts of it. So like what's a digital missionary? And Rey, I feel like we may have touched on this in a past episode, but like what would a digital missionary do?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 11:16 You know, we have hope found in Jesus. So what would it look like then for me to say on my Twitter platform? How can I share hope? How can I share the love of Christ to other people? And so it kind of really starts off by picking a social platform that you're going to say, I'm going to use this to reach my friends. Whatever social platform you're at, whether you love Instagram or Facebook or Twitter, whether, even you love Snapchat. I know some people don't like that, but I mean, what are the social platforms that you're really involved in and how can you look at that and say, I'm going to minister to those friends and family members that I'm friends with them and minister to them today?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 11:59 You know, I've been wrestling with a concept of this and it was centered around. It was funny, I even tried to launch a small group that would do this. It was an online small group and the goal was for them to start to reach out and make connections with people on social media. Like within hashtags, even like on the Twitter or the Instagram because, you know, there's a very tight community that follows a lot of these hashtags. Like, I mean I have an exposure of this. I run, well not as much as I used to, but when I run, I run under using my Nike app, NikePlus, and even just the community that is when they run, they utilize the NikePlus within Twitter and things and then communicating and celebrating and praising and encouraging.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 12:57 It's a very kind of, welcoming community that's utilizing the Twitter following under hashtags. And so it became, really the question of how can we utilize the hashtags and utilize the platform to build these relationships, even just to get them, at least my view, to get them to the place of asking spiritual questions. Like, I don't know that you can land a plane and lead somebody completely to Christ and disciple them completely in context of social media, like just in that, but definitely to, I would suggest maybe to onboard to get them to ask spiritual questions and then route them to someplace to get that next piece. What do you guys think?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 13:46 Yeah, I would agree with you. I love hashtags. Part of the reason why I love Twitter is because hashtags are organic and it's free to kind of just roll around and find out who's talking about what. Again, anytime there's a popular show or a sporting event or an award ceremony, there's always a Hashtag that you can find out what people are talking about and be a part of that conversation. And so I love that idea of using hashtags to engage people in conversations. I will say this, most of my Twitter following is because I used hashtags strategically. I have found the hashtags that I wanted to look for like with #studentmin for all of my student ministry friends or #ChurchOnline for people with Church online. I discovered so many people through hashtags and was able to start conversations with them because of that. And then in the same way you can use hashtags to have conversations with people about real life stuff. Like you know, I love looking up #love and see what people are talking about with love. And then like if someone says something really interesting, I'll reply to them and you know, share with them an encouragement. Not necessarily a spiritual thing at first, but something encouraging to encourage them throughout that day if they're looking for love in all the wrong places.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:09 Yeah. It's something that I think that's important about this and this is such an important conversation, not just for the Internet Age, but even for folks inside a church who don't consider themselves digital representatives or this kind of thing is just taking the general interest that you have and engaging in those conversations and being a solid believer there. So everybody here in this conversation, you know, we're all part of a subculture that Jeff alluded to earlier, that we're all part of the nerd subculture, in the sense of, man, we love comic books and we love, you know, comic book movies and we love having that discussion. And literally just even being a solid, encouraging voice in what can be a very toxic space, right? Can Bring the Gospel in such a great way to a bunch of folks who may never walk through the doors of a church or I may never engage. And that's just taken a specific interest group and really engaging in what would be normal conversation. You know, it'd be fantastic. And, but at the same time, really just kind of bring a Christian's voice into it. And I'm not even saying, and please, if you're out there and you're one of these advocates, don't engage in a subculture that you're not normally part of. Like don't go into into, you know, the Marvel universe subculture on the Internet and saying, Hey, we need to bring Bible man into the MCU.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:29 Don't go doing that. But literally being an active voice and having great conversation, but at the same time being a loving believer, being a solid example, but learning when to interject Jesus into the conversation once things start to turn personal and showing love to others.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 16:48 Yes. See, I love this and that's the thing, like when you think about a missionary, you know, we're all called to be missionaries. Christ calls us there, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And surely I'll be with you always until the end of the age." Christ calls us all to do that. So if he's calling us all to do that, there's different ways. You don't have to go to the African forests or you don't have to go to another country to do that. You can do that all online using the online world. Because I love this, I say this all the time, but you know, I worked with young life for many years and young life always said go where students are. If you want to find where students are at, go where they are and find out where they're hanging out with. So many people are hanging out in the digital world, in the mobile world right now. It's such a, it's a mission field right there. If we learn how to actively share our faith and engage people in casual conversations that lead to spiritual conversations.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 17:50 And there's so many different forums for Christians to take part in, you know, in so many different interest groups. It's such a fascinating thing how folks can find each other and really become engaged in a specific community. Real quick. Just last week my garbage disposal was on the fritz. And so I was like, okay, I can either pay somebody to fix it or I did, I was like, no, I know I have confidence that I can try something out. Went to youtube and the next thing you know, I'm part of a community of people who are DIYing stuff at home, you know, and it becomes another place for me to engage people. Not with the secret intention of Hey, I'm going to win these people to Christ, but I can be a Christian within this environment. I can cast a more positive view of Jesus in and the church and there and be a light and at the same time hopefully help to engage them in some of my interests. A la, church, God, Jesus. That would help bring them along into what we believe, which would be great.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 18:48 Where does a volunteer, where does an individual person engaging in this culture, in a subculture and utilizing the hashtags, where are they going to struggle? Like, where is the thing that they're going to fall short with? Or can they do that on their own? Like where's the weakness in this model?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 19:11 Okay. Well I think we have to figure out how we can effectively prepare them. I think a lot of people are not going to want to do this because they're like, I don't have the tools. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to do this effectively. And then again, I think we have a tendency to take things personally sometimes. So we have to take a step back and say, this is not personal. If someone attacks us, you know, if there's a troll out there, because we all know that there's tons of online trolls, but how can we really prepare them? I think we need to set them up and give them some training and equipping them to really learn how to actively share their faith or engage people in conversations in a digital world. I think we've got to properly train them.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:58 Yeah, I think there's an aspect of that, but some of that too, and this is what I've appreciated from the way that the teaching style has come from North Point, it's building in those practical applications of living out their Christianity where they're at because once again, the conversation takes place so naturally. Like sometimes I worry when we say train them on this, we're just thinking, Hey, inviting to church, you know, we're going to provide them tools and we're going to do that. And all that's great, I'm not saying we shouldn't do that too. But really there's a much larger conversation when it comes to evangelism about being relational that I think even in forms of our Sunday teaching, as we're talking to our folks and you know, like I said, I think Andy has done such a great job and if you've not read Irresistible yet, you need to, I think it's the answer to so many things that are happening right now with different folks questioning their faith online and being public with that.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 20:46 I really wish they would actually take peak at this book cause I feel like he addresses a lot of those issues. But one of the great things about the book that I feel like he addresses, it's just the fact that Christians need to learn how to be loving in these environments and loving those who aren't like them no matter what the situation, whether it's, hey, it look it's 2020 and we're engaged again online in political discussions. Okay, what does it look for me to love somebody who is not the same political ideology and how can I carry that out online so that I'm not being a toxic voice but instead I'm being a light so that it could bring them one step closer to Christ.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 21:20 We'll include a link to Irresistible in the show notes. It's a great book that hits a lot on that. Now the core of discipleship at least, and Rey, how we've defined discipleship in here is the ability to create another disciple. So it's a disciple who's duplicating themselves in this context of this conversation. A digital missionary is someone who is able to lead to Christ and disciple one in a standalone environment where we're not necessarily, hey, you know, just come to church with me. Now I'm raising the standard maybe a little bit here. A lot of church online's would and it's easy to hey, you know, ask the spiritual questions and feed it into like a physical service or something like that. But just for argument's sake, let's kind of follow this through and say, Hey, what if the church isn't resourcing and we're not kind of taking the easy way out here. Can a person lead another person to Christ on social media? On Twitter? Like is that, is that even possible? What would that look like?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 22:32 Yeah, I would think you'd have to take a it. Yes, I think you can begin conversations and then you have to go into direct messaging. You know, DMing them back and forth and talk to them about what that looks like. Again, I don't think it could happen easily and I've never done it myself so I think it would be something where you would have to really walk through them and it would involve more than social media to I think, help someone really discover who God is and accept them as their Lord and Savior.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 23:04 That's good. I actually have a personal example of this. If I may, this actually happened to me about a month and a half ago. Somebody had been engaging with us online. They texted me, hey pastor, things are going on the down and out in my life, I'm having a rough time. We began a conversation via text. I asked him via text, Hey, listen, have you given your life to Christ? The answer responded back, boom, no, but I really want to.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 23:36 Man, this is powerful. I can lead you right here over text. Or if you want, we can have a phone call. Ironically, that person was me from a classroom. They were in a college class and they were like, can I call you as soon as I get a class? I said, absolutely, you can. 10:15 PM boom, phone call hits. I pick it up, hey, hey, are you ready to make this decision? Yes. We pray right there together over the phone. Now the person is integrated in the community, but it was one of those things where it can happen. So I don't want to talk, you know, I don't want folks to think, hey, this is the dream world where all this theory. All this stuff can happen and there are steps that we can take to make it more personal, you know, if the person we're engaging really wants to take it there.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 24:25 So, you know, and that story is great because it utilizes more platforms, more method of communication than just, yeah, you probably could have texted somebody. You probably could have done it in a DM, direct messaging environment, Facebook messenger type of thing. However, you know, a phone call, a zoom, a Google hangout, you know, there are methods that can help that engagement probably go to a higher level. And so as a digital missionary, if that's a thing, there has to be maybe comfortability with multiple platforms and multiple ways of communication. Like you probably aren't necessarily gonna land the plane even with like a hard conversation, via texting, texting is an environment, you know, text on a page. And we know this from email, it's hard to convey emotions. Sometimes you read the wrong emotions in text, but when you can see the person or when you can hear the voice, it's easier to convey it and understand that. I'd suggest as, I'm not saying as quick as possible, but as a missionary, like I want up to build relationships with these people. Rey, you had a previous relationship, it sounds like with this, with your example.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 25:45 No. And that's kinda the interesting thing.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 25:47 It was a cold person?
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 25:47 Yeah. And I can say that that's for sure it's an anomaly. Like, I don't want to make it sound like, hey guys, revival is happening here and I'm getting nonstop text messages from people who tell me that they need to meet Jesus. My phone's just blowing up right now. That's not happening. Like this is an anomaly, but it's an anomaly that I could see taking, placing, taking place more often than not, especially, and this is kind of going back in a few chapters of this podcast. It's the discussion we had with DJ Soto in terms of the Avatar situation where people, people feel more comfortable just kind of unloading between a media as opposed to in person, you know? But this kind of stuff can take place a lot more frequently just because people feel that comfort of man, there's something between us so I feel like I'm in a digital confession booth. There was a wall between us so I feel like I can be me a little bit more, I can unload some of these personal issues and I feel like I can take a spiritual step with you because there's that line. I mean, you know, Jesus said it himself, right, a profits not owned in his own village, right? And so sometimes folks need that wall up between them so that they don't feel like, well, this person knows me at this level. Sometimes they need that person, that individual that's like, no, they don't know me from scratch. So I feel a little more comfortable with unloading some of these issues to them and taking that step with them.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:08 You know, it's interesting that that DJ Soto, I got, I have personally received more flack over that episode than any other episode we've done. Just out of the, I mean, basically I opened a podcast in the opening line. I said, just write it down, virtual, VR baptisms count. That right there, just blew people up. Like no that doesn't count. You know, cause it's a computer game, they didn't get real. And I was like, there were people there who saw witness of it. God doesn't look, man, looks on the outward appearance. God looks at the heart. You know, but like it's just it rattles that right.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:51 It must conform to my system of counting.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 27:52 But it's interesting where I think there's, a digital missionary's going to kind of struggle with this idea as well, or the concept of creating a digital missionary is going to be more difficult. A small group of maybe four or five people that were going through it and I asked another person to lead the small group and honestly, like the idea of, I think where that group ended up was the idea of creating a disciple was very much understood. The idea of converting that discipleship mentality towards the hashtag investing in community, reaching out that was a struggle. It was funny, even after months of those conversations and trying, like, I just had side conversations with a couple of the people and they were like, we just really don't understand, you know, what you want us to do. It's funny, like I still think there's legitimacy and Tom, I love the fact that you're bringing this around, but it takes the right person with the right understanding, with the right mindset that I'm not going to Jesus juke every person I meet. What other hurdles do you think that are out there that we struggle with on this?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 29:15 Yeah, well that's a good question. I see. And that's the thing. I think finding the right person and finding the right group of people I think is really important to do it. But I do, I mean if you just even think back from the most simplest terms, I think what we do in our online persona can either lead people to Christ or distract people from Christ. And again, you, we've seen people, we've seen our friends who are, who go off on rants and go crazy and spew stuff all over on social media. It's like, are you using your digital platform, whatever it is, to either encourage people or discourage people? And so if you're encouraging people, it kind of goes along with the same thing of people are going to wonder, okay, why is he like that? Or why is she like that?
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 30:06 Why are they like that? And it's gonna start some conversations. So definitely, again, while we don't have all the answers here, I think if you even just thinking about how can the, you know, as Rey was talking about, just how can you be hopeful? How can you be light in this world again because the election's gonna be coming up very soon. It's already been talking about. Any time someone says something political it's just tons of chaos that goes about on it. How can you be hope? How can you be light to them? You don't have to have all the answers filled out. But again, it could strike some conversations where you can help lead someone down the path to grow in Christ or hear about Christ in some way using multiple platforms.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 30:54 I love that. I just, I wrote it down here where I'm at. What we do with our online persona can either lead to Christ or distract from Christ. It was interesting, and I'm going to confess something right here. This weekend I got into a Twitter war, or excuse me, it was on Facebook, with three or four pastors, local guys in town. We were having an argument over, this is going to be so stupid. It was Nolan's Batman trilogy versus Captain American MCU Trilogy, not the overall, not MCU, just the trilogy verse trilogy. And being the guy who hates DC, I obviously chose Cap. Frankly, and my whole point and they didn't want to bring in the MCU, just the three movies and I'm like, how can you go in two and three, winter soldier, civil war, those are like the two greatest movies ever.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 31:50 Anyway, and side note, DC screwed up the entire thing. They should have built their entire DCEU around Nolan's Batman and everything would've been fine. They didn't. So this is way too much comics for a church online thing. But what was interesting is I got a little passionate, I didn't feel like I lost my testimony and as a side we're all joking around, like we all know each other. It's fine. There wasn't no bloodshed lost over this, but we were, you know, passionately arguing. Unfortunately it was in a public format and a couple of other people kind of jumped in taking shots. And I was like, yeah, that might be a little too aggressive here. A little too much. It was not the pastor's like outside people and suddenly, I'm getting Facebook message from people on the outside, hey, are you guys okay?
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 32:44 Like I'm surprised you're fighting with, with so-and-so, with, with one of these pastors. And I'm like, oh, I'm just joking around. Like I backed off when it started to get ugly. But the thing was already rolling down hill, right? It was, it was like the boulder was already set and what started off as, you know, just casually pulling each other's chains because one's more of a DC fan and I'm more of a Marvel ended up becoming something that, you know, was causing other people to question. And it's funny. So often we want to be casual with our digital persona and relational and engaging and joking around with some of this stuff. But sometimes what we do was joking around can go far more, can be misinterpreted. You know, it's, this whole thing of what we do in text is not as clearly defined because we can misread emotions into it or somebody else because its public can take it a whole different direction that we don't want to. And so if a digital missionary is going to do their thing, like they just have to be wary of that, of somebody misreading.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 33:54 Absolutely. And the other thing is is that the digital missionary in all of us should be aware that there's such a thing as, and I'm going to kill a lot of you Internet trolls with this one word, nuance. Okay. Like there's shades here and I'm talking about this not just on phone conversations in terms of our comic book or our sports hot takes or any of that stuff, but I'm also talking about theological stuff, as well, that we don't have to, that we don't have to say, well take a side right now and you know, you either love Jesus if you don't repost this or not. And so there's a lot of stuff here that I think we need to be very careful in terms of how we interact with each other and how, and making sure, Jeff, you hit it right on the head there.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 34:38 This whole thing of, well I said it on the Internet and everybody knows that doesn't count really because a lot of companies will look you up on Facebook and Google and take a look at all those hot takes and decide not to hire you based on the fact that you can be so controversial. And so that's something to take a consideration in terms of yes, your online persona matters and yes, people do remember your online persona in public. So don't forget that everything that you were saying and representing out there on the Internet will reflect on what happens to you offline as well.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 35:10 Listen, I post these things all the time when I see them and I post them a lot. I mean all these college kids who have their scholarships rebuked because of something they said online. Again, my daughter just went through the whole process. She's on the college dance team and there's list of criteria of all the things they can and cannot post on social media. And again, they kick people off all the time on what you post or don't post. And so again, who you are, you cannot be an online persona and a personal persona. Just kind of like what Rey was talking about. You are both. And so you have to reflect who you are. You can't have two different personas.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 35:55 What's interesting out of this phrase, and it's not where we started, we're all digital missionaries if we like it or not. That's right. And so the idea of, you know, maybe selecting a few and training them on that, that's not what we're saying now is that whether we're physical persona or digital persona, we are all leaking things out of us that will either connect people to Christ or drive away from.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:23 Absolutely.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 36:26 I think there are things that we can do to train people and equip them to be digital missionaries. But at the heart of it is really, it's your heart is your heart for Christ and are you really spreading out hope and life and light to people or are you looking for opportunities? I listen, I know believers who get on social media and just start arguments all the time. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, why are you doing this kind of thing. It just, it makes no sense to me to be honest.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:55 Right. And, and especially, please a word to all you pastors out there, please do not leverage your online platform for your hot takes. Like it is the worst thing for your church. You know, and I know you're thinking, well, I need to use my voice for this political thing or for this thing or whatever else. And I'm telling you right now, it does more to drive people away than drive people towards, on both sides, honestly. Because it's either you're setting a bad example for your own people or you're basically shutting out a portion of the congregation that might be interested in visiting your church. But all of a sudden your hot take with little nuance is basically telling them I'm not welcome.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 37:32 Yeah, culture's changed on that. That may have worked 30, 40 years ago when Christian culture was more unified. But the diversity, the outspokenness of where we are today, you Rey, you're exactly right there. So Tom, man, you said the word training four or five times.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 37:51 Well, that's a good thing. I mean, again, I think part of it is one you can do training on, Hey, do you know your social platform very well? Like kind of the basics and the gist of how you can utilize whatever social platform and whether it's Twitter or Instagram or Facebook, that it's some digital stuff. How you can use digital tools. You know, like how do you share a youversion Bible graphic to someone, you know? I mean, it's just, I mean, those are cheesy things that some people going to scoff at like, oh, that's so easy, but some people don't know how to use that stuff and so you can do that. How do you make a video on your phone and share a Bible story, you know, there's a digital tool that you can use to do that.
  
    
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  Tom Pounder: 38:38 But then also about, hey, how do you share your testimony? Like, do you even know how to share your testimony? And kind of walked through that, you know, we've been going through this a lot at our church, you know, we call it the three chairs or your elevator story or your two minute story. Do you know how to effectively communicate your story, your transformation in Christ in two minutes or less? You know, so we, that's the kind of training you can do. And do you know how to do the bridge illustration with someone, if they're gonna talk to you about that. Those are some kind of trainings that you could kind of definitely cover. Those are the things that I'm looking at right now.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 39:17 I mean, two parts of that there is, there is a technical aspects to better use tools and platforms, how to create the content to give people the voice. And so the technical aspects are very important. But I love what you're talking about helping people discover spiritually how to share their testimony. Doing the two minute testimony. And there's tons of discipleship material out there. You know, with First Capital Christian Church, Church Anywhere program back in episode 19, we talked about Rooted as a 10 week material that would helped take people through a discipleship process so that they would learn how to create a disciple. Now with First Capital Christian, they were utilizing it for their people to eventually start to launch their micro locations. These, you know, basically volunteers were becoming campus pastors of like 15 or 20 people.
  
    
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  Jeff Reed: 40:13 I would challenge you guys, you know, out there who are listening, like have that same intentionality when you're creating these digital disciples because what you're doing by doing that is giving them a voice for a much larger, you're giving them not responsibility over a 15 to 20 person micro location, but you're giving them the opportunity to reach their friends and maybe even more at a much larger scale by doing it online, you know, and material like that, whether it's the Rooted material or Four Fields or Timothy Initiative or blah, blah, blah. Ultimately, all these materials are going to help the person figure out how to share their testimony, how to share their story. Love doing some of that intentional discipleship to drive these people to the place where they can become a more effective digital disciple cause they already are one, they just need help becoming more effective in what they're doing. So that's awesome.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 45:21 So for me, it's been engaging in conversations just kind of at a greater scale. So, you know, Tom mentioned Twitter earlier, big fan of Twitter and Twitter moves at the speed of light in the sense of, you know, it's not yesterday's news, it's like five minutes news is old news, constant conversation throughout the day and new topics to be part of and all sorts of things. And so what you do is you kind of first start with your serious influencers, at least this has been a thing for me. You follow them and then you begin to engage in conversations that are happening in their threats. And then the next thing you know, you start to become involved in much larger conversations and folks start following you as, as they kind of agree or disagree with you, but they see that you're involved in conversation and it starts to become a much, much larger conversation as you go along.
  
    
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  Rey DeArmas: 49:23 Go be a digital missionary. No excuses. Just try something. Try something. You know, you're already doing it. Whether you like it or not, like we established earlier, so why not do it on purpose?
  
    
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and once again, it's a pleasure to have you all join us for the podcast today. We're on Episode 21 and I love this. This is actually, and I'm going to call myself out publicly here, this is the first podcast we've had where we've invited a woman on the podcast. It took us 21 of these. Publicly, I apologize for this. Secondly, I need to get more women involved in Church Online because, yeah, we need a better representation of that, but we've got a great episode here to kick it off. Danielle Hicks, you'll hear me call her Dani occasionally on the podcast. She is the Watch Party Pastor at Elevation Church. Now, if you're not familiar with watch parties and we talk a lot about it, obviously in this episode, it's Elevation Church's attempt to gather people together, to cluster people together in community, to watch these broadcasts and so Elevation's had a long history of these, obviously, with their broadcast, centered out of the Charlotte and North Carolina area.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:03 Their broadcasts have become quite large and people from across the country, have started gathering together to watch these services almost becoming like a house church or a micro location gathering together to come together for community to do church that's broadcast in over the Internet. We talked about a similar model, obviously with First Capital Christian's Church Anywhere program. Spent a couple of episodes talking about that in a 17, 18, 19 Episode. We also going way back to Jay Kranda over at Saddleback, talked a lot about that with their house groups as well. They're also ramping up into more of this. So there's a popular movement here with some churches that have been successful with Church Online to take that next step, to start to cluster together, to create biblical communities, to create new communities of gathering together to do this expression of church anywhere utilizing church online. And so we really break this down and it was a fascinating conversation with Danielle, with Dani, and I'm excited for you to hear it. So once again, we've got Rey DeArmas, Online Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami, Danielle Hicks, Watch Party Pastor at Elevation Church and myself, Jeff Reed, TheChurch.Digital breaking down watch parties through Elevation Church. Here y'all go. So Danielle, just tell us a little bit here about what you do at Elevation and maybe life at Elevation, what that looks like.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 02:34 Yeah, for sure. So my role here at the church is Watch Party Pastor, which sometimes sounds like a fake title I feel like a little bit. People tell them like, what is that, define that. It's actually the first Watch Party Pastor role that we've had at our church and the heart of that is really putting some new emphasis and infrastructure to watch parties as we figure out what that looks like, as we're ministering, utilizing the resources online to reach people face to face and in person. I actually though I've been on staff for a little over six years. I was a campus pastor prior to this and before that was associate pastor at our broadcast location. So it's been very interesting seeing so many different atmospheres of our church from being at, you know, where we're broadcasting from, to then being at one of our other locations and now getting to see really expressions of the local church reproduced in all of these different pockets.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:25 That's awesome. You may be the only person in the world who works at a church and has party in their title.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:38 Well and just knowing the idea, and we've talked in previous episodes, with First Capital Christian Church, whose got 16 of these micro locations, where they're utilizing similar to you, the online broadcast to kind of cluster people together. You know, and he talked a lot through those, episodes 17, 18, 19, I think, but talked a lot about kind of clustering and gathering the people together, the tying in of using the virtual technology to create the physical, the community, the people together. So like what's been the path for Elevation, kind of you were doing the broadcast, you were all over the place and now you're gathering them together. Like what has that genesis looked like?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 04:25 Yeah, so we've actually been having pockets or gatherings of people for years in our church. Now, we've never had it quite to this scale and this number. But if we go back even, you know, seven, eight, nine years, there were groups of people. A couple of our campuses actually started as watch parties, as small groups of people gathering together to watch the sermon. So that's been happening for a while. We've called it different things. So we had what were called extension sites for awhile, which were gatherings of people. A couple were at schools, at colleges, a couple in cities. And that was just where organic pockets of people were created and people that wanted a campus near them, but there wasn't one. So they kind of started doing their own thing. Now the difference then with extension or back in that season was we created really intentional benchmarks, where almost these extension sites were kind of considered on a continuum or considered to be on a continuum to becoming a location would be the goal one day.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 05:18 And so there were very clear definitions of, you know, you reach this number and then this happens, your next goal is reaching this number in attendance and then this happens. And I think that worked for our church for awhile. But then when we began to leverage technology and see now that, you know, for a while we've had local church happening and then this emphasis on our online ministry and I think we've always been traveling side by side, you know, not competing with one another, but figuring out how are we actually complimentary and how does one build and grow the other. I'm sure that's the tension of, you know, anyone doing both of these sides. But I think when we began to leverage the online platform and also leverage the data that we have, you know, now we're able to see where people are tuning in from.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 05:59 And hear where their worshipping from. When we started to combine that with these gatherings, that's when the scale began to increase. And so now, you know, a lot of the heart for watch parties now is that it's not this continuum, you know, as if you're a watch party today, hopefully one day maybe you'll be at campus. It's more of how do we create something where the goal is this sustained sense of community in watch parties. And so I think that's been a big part of the evolution is, it's no longer, you know, for example, our Albuquerque New Mexico Watch party, I'm not telling them, hey, hit this number so that then you'll receive, you know, this support or these resources or this different type of backing from our church. But instead it's continue to grow so that you can multiply across your city to reach different parts of your community. And so it's really less about getting as big as possible and instead allowing the reach to be as expansive as possible, if that makes sense.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 07:09 So I think a lot of what happened is, you know, people come to visit our church and this is the thing still, you know, I've been on staff for a while and I'm still just dumbfounded by how people just want to come visit and be in the atmosphere of what God is doing. And I think it's so much less about Elevation and it's more about just the spirit of God and how he's moving within the people of our church. And there's this deep sense of unity and I know God is doing this everywhere, but there is something at our church that happens that draws people in. And I think, when we began to see that sense of people would often say, "Oh, but I wish there was a campus here" or "I wish I lived in Charlotte." And, I think the heart of this being not limited by location is not that we would reinforce this value or principle of someone needs to be here at our church in order to experience God, but how do we understand that they have that same access to the Holy Spirit and even that same ability to build community and if they want to do it through the community of our church, they're able to.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 08:52 It is. It is. And I think a lot of times I think the thing isn't helpful for people is telling them you will never be a location. And I think sometimes we can try to overemphasize that in order to protect people's expectation or really, my heart is never to tell someone what they're not going to be. You know, like I wouldn't, I don't have kids yet, but when I do, you know, I'll never tell them what they will not be, but hopefully I can paint a picture of what it could be and what it will be. And I think that's been some of the transition even in our church that I don't know that we always have done that well, where we've tried to make sure that people have accurate expectations and instead we leave almost this space in this gap where we're not helping to paint a picture or helping to allow people to sort of get in the rhythm of what God is doing.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 09:33 And so I think in this season, what I'm trying to do, and again, I'm laughing because I'm really trying to figure out how do we do this well and keep people encouraged and feeling like they can somewhat grasp what it is that they're building. It's painting this picture of what does it look like to have sustained community in specific cities and areas. You know, now people are so tethered and attached to what's happening within their city. And I don't think this is a new thing, but I think, you know, as marketing and as technology has just gotten so incredible with, you know, on my cell phone, I look at something online and then the stupid ad pops up on my Instagram automatically. You know, it's gotten so specific and so unique and personal that I think as the church we have to figure out ways that we allow people to feel connected and tethered to their community.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 10:19 And so all of this, just to circle back, the heart of that is how do we allow people to understand that that is the focus is how are they bringing Christ to their city and their community? It's not about a campus and it's not about a building. You know, I feel like we say this a lot as the church, you know, it's not about the building, it's about the people, but watch parties and micro churches and these smaller sites. It's actually when the time comes to really prove that we mean that and to say no, it truly doesn't matter because it's the community and the infrastructure that's built. I know I'm kind of circling your question a little bit, but I think that's the hardest. Can we paint a picture of sharing with people, what does it look like if we're not just on this journey for God to provide this campus. You know, where we're almost telling God what we want versus allowing Him to show us what is this thing that is sort of unraveling and being revealed in front of us.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 11:09 I think the practical stuff though is the thing we're working on now that we have not figured out that we're trying to is can we paint a picture of some of the structure? So the vision is there, but then how do we practically explain to people, here's what we would love to see created in your community to give them some things to start with. You know, whether it's, hey, we'd love to see five community groups or eGroups built; we call them eGroups at our church. But five community groups built in your city. We'd love to see you serving at outreach events, you know, twice a month. Where now you're taking this intangible infrastructure and helping people to grasp it and understand. But it's such a tension. I just was having a conversation this past weekend with someone and I think it's a tension to manage because I also don't want to say we'll never have a there because who knows, right? So if we have a huge group of people, hopefully, we're not silly. Maybe we will one day, but that can't be the goal, you know, that we're directing people to. So it's really tough.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:43 You better believe it. Yeah. And so I'm all about like local tie ins like that. But then I also realize that in the midst of that, because I was getting ready to make the move to online, I was like, Oh man, this, not only cause he was talking directly to what was happening in the community that weekend, which is why he came back, you know? And he addressed that very well within his message. But at the same time I was like, this is also being heard by a lot of people nationally and even at these watch parties and everything else. I'm wondering how you guys navigate some of those tensions between Steven's talking to people there in South Carolina and at the same time he's talking to this movement that's happening nationally.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 13:17 For sure. Hey, I get excited when you bring this up because I think, this is one thing I've been on this, a little bit of a kick lately about figuring out how do we, you know, be inclusive of the fact that we're in front of different audiences, but how do we still create a message that shows people that we are a present and we do understand what's happening in individual communities. I would say and this is just my opinion on how we navigate that obviously people and Pastor Stephen, probably for him that was value based in a way of, you know, understanding that there was a space where our church was looking, you know, for him to share and him to speak into this. But then understanding that for most of the people listening, you know, they may not have any context or understanding of what's happening, but here's what I think it does communicate.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 14:00 Not just even using that weekend as an example, but even on our broadcast, you know, if there's flooding happening in a specific area or hurricane is passing through a specific state, you know, we know this is a small piece of our audience yet they're part of it. I think when we speak to it specific local value or local issue or tension or tragedy, I think it still communicates an overall message that we are present in that community. And I think that probably in my opinion, again, it creates less dissonance as benefit of saying, hey, we are present, we are available, we understand, we're there and we're feeling this with you. And I think the principle would be that even someone in the UK that's watching that would still feel this sense of connection for the fact that they're experiencing something that part of, you know, what we call our a Efam, their family, is also feeling in the same way. And I think there's probably a limit to how often you can do this to speak so specifically. But, I've actually really been trying to do this with watch parties and picking out maybe a story or something that's happening in a community, even understanding that it's a little polarizing maybe because maybe that tension isn't prevalent everywhere but still being willing to go straight to that, speak to it. And I think it's communicating to the other watch parties. Wow. Like the church actually knows what's happening in Idaho, you know? Middle of nowhere, I have all the love for Idaho. No offense, Idaho. But, you know, they really know what's happening. And so I think that's probably helpful sometimes to be able to still do that.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:28 Yeah. That's gotta be very encouraging for the volunteers that are there with boots on the ground. Just to know that you guys are present with them and that you care, especially from a volunteer perspective, you know, I'm sure that they have a hard time dealing with that tension of, man, I'm part of this movement but at the same time I'm so far away from it physically that I feel like I'm part of it, but I have a hard time connecting with it all the time.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 15:49 Yeah. I was reading an article recently and it was talking about Nike and a specific ad that they had, which was presencing individual communities and they were assuming way, way into a specific community, I can't remember what the name of it was. But they were talking about the message that Nike was communicating and that it's not this big, broad global impact, you know, but they're able to zoom in. And I think that's, to me, what the brand of watch parties for our church represents. And it's both, sometimes it's a bit of a dichotomy, but then also I think it's that we're filling a space and a gap that was there. So when we talk about, you know, we call it our Efam, this is our extended family. It really, we work hard to show everyone this incredible broad impact. Wow, look at what God is doing all over the world.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 16:31 And I think people love to feel a part of something big. But I think internally, you know, we all want to know that this is still very pertinent to the city I live in. And you know, when people give, for example, they're blessed by the fact that, Bless Back Worldwide, you know, that we're giving to that organization. But hey, what about the pregnancy resource center that's right here in my community? What does that look like for me to be impacting them? And so I think when we consider our broad online community we're showing them, wow, look at this incredible impact, but with watch parties, what we're enabling the people in these communities to do is we're zooming in as far in as possible to say, we see you, we know that you're there. We want to be present, we want to know what you're walking through. And I think that was a space that was there, this gap that we really needed to fill. And so that's what we're working on trying to begin to do. For sure.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:20 You know where churches have seen success with the church onlines? And we hear this, Rey and I hear this week to week, and we have these conversations just as we continue to dialogue through it, but it's in the individuals. So often when you look at the masses and thousands upon thousands attend Elevation physical campuses on a regular basis, I can only imagine what the numbers are virtually and online, but it's masses. I'm sure. Watch parties tend to turn it a little bit and you put faces on it and there's relationships that are built at the individual level. And so that's fascinating to me how a mega church moves to some of this micro model and kind of feels the tension of that. You talked a little bit about investing, you used I think the pregnancy center, the local pregnancy center was the example that you shared, from a practical standpoint, I'm just curious because that's as I've done this micro model, we feel the tension of money coming to the mothership versus invested in the community, the tithes and things like that. What are the practicalities of like local missions reaching in the watch party, doing things within the local community within that local city? Like how do you wrestle with that?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 18:43 Yeah, so wrestle is the right word because I think that is one of the biggest tensions right now that we're walking through. You know, as far as, you may have a watch party that will say, well, what does it look like? You know, when will the church be able to support this watch party or support what we're doing? And that's a valid question and concern because there is a cost that's incurred to supporting the watch party or for them to put on what they have each weekend depending on what it looks like and their atmosphere and all that, as well as, how are we impacting those local organizations? So I'll share maybe what we're doing now, probably six months from now this will continue to evolve. We're entering into Love Week actually this week, which is church-wide we serve in different parts of our community here in Charlotte and beyond.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 19:25 And this is a good example though of, you know, Love Week has always been a very much campus oriented event and then as we added our online ministry and continued to grow it, you have people that are tuning in that want to contribute and be able to serve their community. And so we have about, I think 40-42 events that are happening for Love Week through our Efam, which honestly, like next year I would love to see that number tripled. You know, because the number of watch parties really to me, each watch party should be having at least a single event in their community. But the difference is, you know, locally for our Love Week events, the church is putting the money forth to sort of support these events, the resources. So if it's, you know, revamping an elementary school, our church is putting the money that's needed for that or putting in the money that's needed for that.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 20:11 For watch parties, what we've asked is their hosting Love Week events that either they're providing the resources or they're hosting events that still serve the community but may not have this financial need in order to do it. And so where the kind of enter on the thing is we're working this out and figuring out is how do we have people that are mobilized to be able to serve and help. And then honestly, I kinda love it. At the same time cause part of me is like, man we have to figure this out. But then I also love the scrappiness of really this authentic organic creation of the funds to make these things happen. You know, I think sometimes we can get a little bit spoiled where, you know, even some of our events we just know what the church is going to get the resources. Let me go pick them up and I'll go serve the people. There is something very different that happens in these watch parties when they're actually saying, hey, what do we want to do? What organization do we want to serve? And if there's a need, you know, a lot of our watch parties will put together their money to, to provide this need for their local community. I don't know how that can sustain forever but I think there is a scrappiness to it right now where it's coming from this deep place in their heart. You know, where they really are. One of the values of our church is that we are contributors not consumers. And I think that's what watch parties are building is groups of people that aren't just partaking of what's provided, but they're learning and being taught how to really contribute. And it's not contributing in a way that, I don't know that is a resentful, I feel like I see them wanting to do this thing. It's voluntary. It's not that it's under compulsion. You know, as the Bible says, it's actually cause they want to be able to serve and contribute. And so it's was pretty wild.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:46 That's exciting. So like, tell me this, tell me a couple of stories because you know, we're talking about this, it comes from their heart, they're contributing, they're not consuming. Give me some success stories. Give me some cities of where man, we're seeing some awesome things happening through these watch parties.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 22:06 And so I'll say, I wrote down a couple so I would remember. So I'll give you like a quick, a few of them. So, for example, there's one watch party that's in Luddington, Michigan that is on the coast of Lake Michigan, this little beach town. The leaders of the watch party own a coffee shop and they've been leveraging this space that they have to minister to their community and they have about 50 or 60 people that meet week to week in this coffee shop. And the other thing that makes them incredible too is, you know, I mean, we all know this, what happens on Sunday or in the actual experience is just a piece and a portion of the discipleship that's happening. And I think what I see them doing is actually carrying out that principle, not just talking about it, but they're creating these opportunities for people to serve during the week.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 22:48 And so they may meet in the coffee shop, but then they're creating these intentional times for them to come together to serve local organizations. We just see, you know, the value there of having a space that's made available to them and it feels great in the coffee shop, but I think it's challenging our mindsets of what it looks like to gather these little pockets together. You know, people want the perfect space and they'll look to renting these elaborate spaces. It's like no, God may have already given you the opportunity or the access to a space that's right in front of you. So they're an incredible watch party. Another would be in Albuquerque, New Mexico. We have two watch party leaders and it's interesting to see the sort of juxtaposition of their types of watch parties because one watch party is in a living room and they have about 40 or 50 people that are worshiping each weekend and they're probably one of the most breathtaking depictions of what community looks like.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 23:40 Cause you know community is such a buzzword. Now I feel like we all, you know, in the church we say it and there's certain times where I see this image where I'm like, man, that's the thing that we're talking about. That's what this is. Cause they gather together, they're cooking in their home, the guys are grilling out in the backyard and people are bringing things. They're really coming together to make this happen. It's not two people putting on the watch party for the rest of the group. It's everyone coming together, contributing, bringing something forward, to make it incredible. They have groups that are meeting during the week, they're praying together, they're caring for one another and it's just an incredible picture of it. Now if you go on the other side of Albuquerque, there's another watch party that meets in a yoga studio and it's young people, mostly young females actually.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 24:26 They meet in the Yoga Studio then they do yoga immediately after the watch party. And it's just, you see these two different styles and formats that are both beneficial and both impacting people. But that's a bit of the model of this micro church. You know, watch parties, whatever you call it, at each different church. That's the freedom in it, I think. Is that, how do we, you know, being from the campus, just a side note, it's hard for me sometimes because I want to implement all the systems in the world and the structures and procedures because from a numbers perspective at the campuses, that was our, you know, that was the background or the system running in the background always. With watch parties, it's like I fight that tendency cause I'm like, there is something beautiful that's being formed when there is an openness and there's not so many constraints to it. You see that with those two watch parties, they are very different but they're reaching people and they're bringing people together. And I don't know, I think that's where that tendency to want to control and constraint. I have to pull back to say, maybe I can't just reproduce a model. Maybe we have to allow some of this to form and then we just kind of shape it and follow it as it goes.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:28 So let me ask this Rey, sorry. I apologize for cutting you off. Like, let's unpack that a little bit because this is tension that I've felt as we were doing this. Quality control, you know, or organic structured. You know, obviously, and you're, Dani, you're a former campus pastor, you've been Associate at broadcast, so you feel that tension of quality control and the structure of that. Organizationally looking at this house party, the watch party kind of structure that you've had.
  
  
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  New Speaker: 26:02 House party sounds even more fun than watch party.
  
  
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  New Speaker: 26:02 You could change that in six months, just give me credit. Houseparty.com church. We'll document it or something. So, but you've had to kind of back off, right? A little bit here. It's too broad. It's too wide. It's too far stretching. You're not able to really regulate it. Like kinda unpack that a little bit for us.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 26:28 Who has a tension? It's both for me an external tension like as I see it and helping our watch party leaders to shape it. But then it's also something internal as well and for in this season, it's been a challenge for me to really be able to sort of breathe a little bit and give God space to create instead of me trying to stay out in the front out in front of something, always trying to control and create defined borders. And I think that was something I've had to shift my mindset in that cause yes, even being at our broadcast campus, you know, many of the systems you put in place, they're not always rigid, but they're there to care for people. The heart of it is to care for people, but they are very clearly defined. And I'm with watch parties what I tend to see happen even internally, I think one of the first watch parties I went to, they're actually incredible leaders, Jonathan and Vicky, they live in Charlottesville, Virginia. They had just started their watch party when I came to visit. They meet in a VFW like a space with red velvety chairs and they have a projector with drape hanging. And if, you know, the quality control part of me when I walked in, I was like, oh no, I need to help them. I need, man, I need to do like an incredible teaching to share with them about atmosphere. And you know, they had a lot of chairs out, there were some empty chairs and there was this internal part of me that I had to say, hang on, this is not that. We're not just reproducing a version of a campus.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 27:52 We're allowing something to be created that really is God's spirit sort of breathed onto this new local expression of the church. And so how do I not get in the way of that and allow some things to be created, still have excellence, but there's such a fine line between with these watch parties, I think excellence and control because we do want them to be unique expressions of the leaders, but we do have to have a pretty consistent experience. So even in Virginia, they've grown from like 3 people to 25 people. There one of my favorite watch parties, they've had six salvations in their kids, with the kids curriculum they're using. I mean they're just, they're killing it. And it's funny because when I talked to them, they were feeling stressed or feeling bad about, oh, but we have this projector, we bought it on craigslist and their kind of sharing with me.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 28:41 And it was cool to be able to encourage them and remind them how beautiful some of those imperfections are. And again, this is coming from someone who's very much the quality control mindset in the past to say, hey guys, the things that you see as weaknesses, those are actually the thing that makes this feel unique and makes it feel organic and makes it feel special. And so to answer your question, I don't know. I'm still working out how do we allow some space for people to create things? But it is true that especially as we add more infrastructure to watch parties, how do we know that the experience is going to be good? And I don't want to run on with my response to you. But, in the past we actually while we were figuring out what are we going to do with these watch parties, you know, they're popping up, that's incredible.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 29:24 We just were trying to figure out what level of support we could offer. And so we didn't really have any onboarding or constraints at first to what they would look like. Now we're in this season where we're creating onboarding processes for the leaders. We're creating some just values and I don't want to say standards and guidelines that sounds so sterile, but we are creating some guidelines that will help people to define a little bit better. But every day something comes across like my email or a conversation where I do have to make that decision, is this something I want to run down and chase down to "fix" or is this something that I let kind of continue to develop to see what God can really work out through some of this space that we're creating?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:05 That's good. Some nuts and bolts questions about that, liabilities, as far as the church is concerned in terms of how much Elevation is responsible for. I'm sure a lot of churches are going to listen to this and be like, man, we want that but they're also concerned. Okay, but this is our brand a little bit too and so if something happens at a watch party, are we responsible? How does that work out with you guys?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 30:22 Yeah, I hate, I'm hesitant to speak for, I'm hesitant to say for sure, but in a lot of the conversations we've had, and obviously this would vary church to church, but for us, this onboarding that we're doing to really background check our leaders, that's a similar process that, you know, many of our churches we do for egroups or for community groups. You know, you put people through a process because you are allowing people to go to people's homes. And so for us, that's the background process that we've put in place to protect our church and protect ourselves and really just to provide a good experience for the people that are going to watch parties. And so obviously that would vary church to church, but I think there is a necessity for a process to make sure that, you know, you could comfortably and confidently refer people to these watch parties and know that they're going to have a good experience. For sure.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 31:08 Where's kind of the place where you guys get the most pool for possible watch party leaders? Is it through the online broadcast? Is it in service? And I know no ministry ever feels like they're getting enough pub, but I imagine something like this, you're like, but man, there's so much potential here, how can we let people know this thing exists?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 31:24 Right, right. I think, we've really put a lot of emphasis on sharing about watch parties over the last, say four or five months. And so right now where we get most of our interest comes from when we feature something on our broadcast like what we'll do if I'm going out to a watch party, we may have a segment where I'm interviewing the watch party leader and we're broadcasting it out, or creative elements that, you know, maybe our video team creates a video about the watch party. Those are a couple of big pieces that I think if you can allow people to feel what it feels like to be a part of it, it's going to connect very differently than us just trying to always give a call to action for people. And so we don't do a lot of pushes for watch party leaders really. What were we do more of is celebrate and show them what's happening. And so you have a lot of people that want to join a watch party that actually end up leading one, you know, cause there's not one in their area and they're like, well man, I just want to be a part of something like this and so they may just shift to want to lead one.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 32:17 So I was gonna ask about that too. How are you connecting folks? Like let's say I'm part of elevation and my job has taken me to Albuquerque and I'm like, hey listen, I'm moving. Do you then connect somebody to watch parties and say, Hey in that area, there's two watch parties right where you're moving to.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 32:32 Yeah. This is the next progression I think where we'll grow in our church as far as how campuses are referring to watch parties also. I've had quite a few emails and text messages over the last like two months of, yeah someone moving from a campus to a specific area. The watch party I was mentioning in Charlottesville, Virginia, there was actually a volunteer at our Uptown campus. She moved to Virginia and she was just really feeling sad like she wasn't going to get to be a part of our church and I got to share with her that there was a watch party there. Now she's found just such a sense of community and connection there. Basically she oversees helping look after the kids and with kids curriculum and it's been wild just to see her blossom in that community. And so that's an example of what it looks like in a perfect world. But right now, because we're still building all the infrastructure, this is still fairly new. We're referring people where there are, you know, watch parties and then the next steps will be us improving those processes where they can more easily access that information versus us having to always make the connection.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 33:31 All right. And I'm sorry you just offered up a little tidbit and tangent that I gotta walk down a little bit. All right, so ekids at watch parties.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 33:38 Hey, hey, hey, I wanted to ask that question. Why are you asking? No, no, go ahead. I'm just kidding. She said that earlier and I'm like, oh, what's she doing with kids? Like I want to know that answer because that right there and when I talk with churches on a regular basis that want to do this, the secret, the biggest problem that they have that they don't have a solution for is what do we do with the kids? So Elevation, what are you doing with the kids? How are you doing that at a watch party level?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 34:07 This is brand new and we are still working through this. So let me preface it with that, seems to be the theme of a lot of this stuff that I'm sharing. I mean you can sense it and feel it. This season we're in really are, we're trying some things, we're seeing how it works, we're seeing how it connects with people. I will say the kids, how kids are being cared for and experiencing God's word, I was just talking about this this week with our team, it's probably one of the greatest objections for people is, you know, you may have someone who really, you know, church is just a thing for them. They just go because you know, it's part of their habit or maybe they were brought up that way. But then when you see them talk about what their kids experience, you know, everything shifts and changes.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 34:45 And I think of even, you know, being at a campus for so long, so many of my conversations with parents, it was a lot about the kids. Like, well, I just want to make sure my kids are, you know, taken care of. They're going to church and I'm getting them in church. And so this has been a need that we've had for a long time with watch parties that we are now. We have curriculum that we're sharing with our watch party leaders and what they'll do is essentially, teach, share, it's video based and there's some content that they're sharing for kids at the watch parties now. It's super elementary, no pun intended, right now because we're still getting it going and working out all the details. But it's an early stage of just having something, you know, it's not them just like putting the kids in a room with Veggietales, which shout out veggietales, like, hey, it's not a bad thing, but that's great. I love it. Is it still around?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 35:33 Absolutely. Yeah. As long as there's money to be made, veggietales will be alive. It's fine.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 35:37 You're right. But how do we actually understand that they're hearing God's word and experiencing scripture and all that. I said it lightly because we're still working out what that actually looks like. But we do have curriculum that we're sharing with our leaders for sure.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 35:51 But that's encouraging either way cause logistically I'd even like to know like so far are they utilizing, so some of that video based curriculum like on a TV in a playroom, in an alternate room, on an iPad, like what does that look like for some of the kids? Cause that's where, once again, and I know that all of this is beta, nobody's looking for this to be a polished answer, but just man, this is great to hear because few people are venturing into this particular space.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 36:14 Yes and yes, it's anywhere. So we're testing it right now. We have a certain number of watch parties that have been testing it and giving us feedback and then we're rolling it out to the remainder of our watch parties that have gone through the process to become like onboarded and background checked and all that. So, yeah, it's both. So some are on a TV, some are on iPads and they're sharing it. Really it's not, you said it, like you're not looking for a polished answer, well, there's not one because I don't think the results are polished right now, as far as, how it's being carried out with the execution of it. And so that's something that as we continue to grow and scale, we'll work on, but for now it's at least having resources that we can give to the watch party leaders for sure.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 36:54 The humility of we don't have all the answers. We're still trying to figure this out ourselves. Ask us again in six months and we're probably going to tell you something else because we're learning in this process. Like I love that. I was actually was talking with another church yesterday where leadership wanted like stats and all this stuff to prove, you know, their case towards something. And it's like, what stats? We're all just trying to figure this out. Like, it's not like there's a proven concept here. And even, you know, looking at you and, we've had a lot of conversations with Saddleback, Jay Kranda, you know, and that church is doing, you know, rolling out into a different implication of what watch party can be. But it's a different spin on it. Like I love to see churches, even the 800 person church, First Capitol, wrestling with this and doing the watch parties with a different spin. I love seeing churches explore this space. So go ahead.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 37:56 I would say we try not to get super excited about, we are focused on numbers and goals and metrics, but I think, you know, Chad Zowlow, I know, you know, Chad, our Online Campus Pastor, our leader of this area. He does an incredible job of keeping us focused on, really, where we're heading and how we keep evolving and reinventing ourselves. But then also the people and the stories just like we talked about, because there are numbers that we look at and that we can track and you can feel good and feel excited about it. But then it really does go back to are we humble enough to keep moving forward with the understanding that we don't know the answers and the answers will probably change a few months from now and how can we focus on the right values and principles? And so I think that keeps us all really hyper focused on, man, we have to stay ahead of this because we're all, you know, the church, we're all figuring this thing out together. And again, it is just shifting so rapidly. That's the thing I get stressed over sometimes. It's like keeping up with the changes of technology and of culture, all these thing and we have to try to stay at least in step with it. And if we're lucky, a couple steps ahead.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 38:59 That's awesome. So Danielle, where are you going next year? Every week or every other week it seems like you're at some watch party doing for the broadcast, where's your next stop?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 39:11 So, over the next season, I think now, I'm trying to get real strategic about where we're actually visiting and where we're going. I mean every, you know, you probably understand this tension. You get excited about what's happening and sometimes what I'll do is go run, I want to go see you and experience this and visit and encourage these people. I think now what I'm trying to do is get a little more strategic about even creating and developing interest that's there, but then how do we deepen that interest? How do we make the connections for people? And so some of our watch parties are formed because they're making the connections on their own. But I'm trying to think through ways that we can actually help create those connections prior to the watch party, you know, create a foundation where people can gather and begin to meet together. And just figuring out where we're going. I think, you know, I mentioned it, but it's just evolving and changing, and even on our team, it's like understanding what watch parties look like today it should probably look a little different a year from now as we grow in our understanding of it and as systems are created. The system piece I think is the biggest thing now. I know you're asking where am I going like geographically, but I think.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 40:18 I went a little deep there. But I think vision wise it's hard because a lot of our watch parties now, the leaders are desiring these intricate systems and they may have had exposure to campuses. You know, we reproduce the things that we've seen and so a lot of our leaders will say, Hey, what is your VIP followup process for campuses? And we're going to implement this for VIPs. And I try to challenge them to say, hang on, how many VIP days did you have this past week? And they may say, you know, one or two and their watch party. And I'm trying to challenge and encourage them, so don't create the system before you actually have the need. Like what would you do? What would you do with the one person? You would take them to coffee, you would help them make a connection with someone in the watch party.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 40:59 And so I think, where we're really heading is figuring out how do you have systems that don't constrain the actual values you want to reproduce, but how do we allow some flex and some space to in tune with what God is doing? And I think that's the thing we're trying to figure out. And then geographically I'll say, all over. So some of the areas that we're trying to grow, a couple of the ones I mentioned, in fact, really are speckled throughout the US. We have them all over the world but right now my focus is in the US and figuring out how do we add the support and structure and then getting out to the watch parties, too.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 41:41 So there has been, so a couple of our locations actually were birthed out of watch parties that had begun years ago. And so our Roanoke location, as well as, our Melbourne campus really started from gathering people together to worship. And I'll say now, I was smiling when you asked the question because this is one of the big things I think we're working through in this season is figuring out, you know, again, being from the campus side, I was always like, before I came over to the team, I was all about the local church. I just want to see us launch campuses everywhere and I'll always be about the local church. And I think even internally I was still working on reconciling what does it look like for us to have this incredible online ministry yet still be planting local churches.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 42:23 And I mentioned it earlier and I'm sure you guys have, you've probably said the same thing. It could almost feel like they were opposing, but with understanding and being able to see this sort of revelation of they are not opposing and you can actually sell out to both. You can have one feed the other one. Even for the local campus at the local church, and my husband's a campus pastor also, by the way. So we still have these discussions where, you know, even at his campus, you may not have people that attend every single week. They may miss a couple of weeks. What's incredible though is when they're out, which is the normal human pattern at every church right now, right? Nobody's coming every week. They can still engage in the ministry. They can still stay active, you know, in their giving and their participation on the weeks that they're not present.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 43:05 And so I do think that our online ministry supports campuses in that way. Now when we talk about expansion, that's where I think we've only begun to explore this even in our church of how do we collaborate online and campus to really figure out what does it look like to expand. And so yeah, my heart even with watch parties, I mean watch parties is my focus. However, for our church it would be incredible if some of these watch parties led to locations down the road. And I think, the answer though is pretty ambiguous of when is that point that it transitions or why, you know, but it has happened in our church. And so now I think in this next season, again, I see us partnering better than we ever have now. And this is because of, you know, our pastor, he really leads us, Pastor Steven leads us in the mindset of we are working together, these are complimentary parts of our ministry and we're going where God is moving.
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 45:05 Right, right. And I think, you know, the campus side, you know, as you talk about what that looks like to transition. I think again, it's such a tension because even as I talk about it, there's a part of me that's like, what if what we're creating, you know, it's not that a campus is the ideal scenario. How do we allow people to understand that, what you were just talking about, that small authentic community, you know, that's what people want. How do we get them to be content with where they are and what they have in the watch party, and I don't know the answer to that. I think culturally watch parties still feel new, but you know, we're really not innovating anything. You know, I try to remind myself of that sometimes when I'm like, I have to figure this out. I'm like, man, these cell groups, whatever you want to call it, have been around for so long, you know, in the book of Acts, talking about churches gathering in homes and I don't know, I think that's the constant tension. The theme is how do we allow people to not just look to the campus, then that's the goal, but how do we get them to see and appreciate this model as something that can be long lasting.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 46:06 There's no magic in the bricks. The bricks of your church building it doesn't have the power. That's not where everything resides. So you guys breaking out of that, being example of utilizing micro locations to start to get the word out, to spread the Gospel, to empower people. You said it earlier in the broadcast, the same Holy Spirit that's in Steven is in the people who are leading the micro locations and God can use them in the exact same way. So I just applaud you guys and thank you guys for taking a chance, getting out there, but then also man, just coming on this broadcast and sharing. Rey, landing the plane, any thoughts as we're wrapping?
  
  
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  Danielle Hicks: 47:22 Hey, I just I'm humbled and thankful to be able to contribute to this conversation because I think there's so many churches that, you know, we're figuring this out together and there's such power in unity when we're discovering it alongside one another. And so thank you for allowing me just to contribute to that. So grateful for it.
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey there. Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and I'm glad you've decided to join us for Episode 20. This is Episode 20 and we are excited about it and we've got a great episode for you. We're going out to Austin Ridge Bible Church in Austin, Texas. Now, disclaimer, I used to work for Austin Ridge. I was their Communications Director and I loved my time at that church and even from afar now seeing what that church is doing and how they're growing people is awesome. And so I love seeing it from a distance, but we wanted to have a detailed conversation with their Discipleship Pastor and actually one of their worship leaders, his name is Jeff Moore. Now if the first thing that jumped into your head is songs like good old Ranger and Tonto, Laurel and Hardy, Batman and Robin, and Snoopy and Charlie, I got to disappoint you, it's not that Geoff Moore.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:49 I know I'm disappointed as well. I've always wanted that friendship and that relationship because you know, we all need friends like you. But at the end of the day, it's a different Jeff Moore. If you've got no idea what I'm talking about, about Geoff Moore and Laurel and Hardy, Google it, Geoff Moore, 1990s, CCM, Christian Contemporary Music, and prepare to be enlightened and/or disappointed. But we want to talk about discipleship in context of church online and even the church. Now, Austin Ridge Bible Church doesn't have a strong church online. They do broadcast their services on Facebook each week but when it comes to creating biblical community, when it comes to discipleship, when it comes to fostering those online relationships, honestly, they really just haven't gone in that direction. Not saying that's good, not saying that's bad. It's just the direction the church has chosen. And so as a result of that, I don't necessarily want to have this conversation with Jeff talking about how to do church online discipleship, but even just as a general rule, how to do discipleship in your church.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:58 And so that may be two different things, but one needs to be grounded in the other. What I do know about Austin Ridge is they are a very, like many of you, they are very busy, event-driven church. They do lots of things with Women's Ministry, with Men's Ministry, for parenting, for Life Groups. There's always something going on. As a Communications Director, I can tell you there is always something going on in the life of Austin Ridge, but they've managed to make D Groups. They've managed to make discipleship groups. They managed to make discipleship stand out in context of those things. And even now we're pushing towards a larger church wide campaign, driving people towards a deeper discipleship understanding. So how does that tension work in the midst of everything else? What's the strategy that funnels people towards discipleship? We may not have all the answers, but you know, what I do know and love about Austin Ridge is they're willing to experiment and try it out.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:56 And so we've had conversations about discipleship recently, Episode 19, we talked to Jared Kirkwood from Mariners Church and also over the Rooted material, which is a 9- 10 week study on creating a disciple. Austin Ridge took a different approach, where they actually wrote personally within the church a 350 page book that's tied to the mission and vision of their church. By the way, if you want a copy of that, we've got a couple chapters of it available online. Check out the show notes where you can download and see some of what that material looks like. So Austin Ridge spent some intentionality, why? What did that look like? Jeff More, what lessons did you learn from this process? It's questions like this and more that I really want to unpack here as I bring to the table, Rey DeArmas, cohost and of course, Online pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami, bring Jeff Moore, Discipleship Pastor from Austin Ridge Bible Church and myself, Jeff Reed, The Church Digital, in a conversation focusing on the strategies of discipleship groups. Hey everybody, here you go.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 04:00 I'm the odd duck. It's funny, the first week that JD and I, in fact the the first meeting, I think JD and I had one on one, I don't remember what we were talking about, but he said something to the effect of, "you're the first worship leader I've ever actually understood what you're talking about."
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:15 Yeah, I could see that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:16 This is true.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:17 Better theological perspective or just in general, like what are we saying here?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:24 No, it was, you know, it was, how do I say this? The lack of diva-ness, I mean in the grand scheme of things like he was very grounded.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:34 You mean Jeff didn't go for the Gravitas voice where he starts speaking really airy and in weird pauses?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 04:40 I don't know how to do that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:42 Well, I mean they told me for weeks, "Hey, we're interviewing Jeff Moore to come in and lead worship."
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:50 So you thought about Geoff Moore and the Distance or what were you thinking?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:53 Dude, I was totally excited for me, some home run or a friend like you, and then this bearded bald guy shows up. And I'm like, it's amazing what Photoshop can do and wait, no, that's not you. Dang it.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:07 Awe man.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 05:07 I even had like albums ready to get autographed, but no, no such luck. Instead it was like a theologically grounded guy coming into lead worship. It was just, it was such a disappointing. No I'm kidding.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:20 Good God, CCM has failed us again.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 05:22 So does that still happen Jeff? I mean seriously.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 05:31 I'm trying to remember what it was, but it was literally like somebody having lunch with me and they were kind of in their own mind, convinced that I was that guy and like time had got the best of me.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:42 Jeff, in all honesty and I don't mean this in any bad way or form, it's just such a niche genre. Did you know who Geoff Moore and the Distance were before folks started calling you that or like what happened?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 05:54 I'll be 47 September. So I definitely knew who Geoff Moore was. So I traveled, toured, did that whole thing for about six years. I actually went under my middle name, Jeff Wade, because that was like 95 to 2000 and that's when Geoff Moore and the Distance were in their heyday. That's when he was covering with Steven Curtis and all that stuff. So we actually did a couple of camps together, where I was the worship leader, and he was the concert artist they brought in. His real name is Geoff Fenwick. Yeah. Geoff Moore is not his real name. And I actually asked him, I was like, "dude, of all the names you could choose from Geoff Moore was the sexiest thing for CCM radio, you can come up with." You know.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 06:31 Pretty much. Identity theft.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:37 Nobody ever thinks about like the people who were born with those names, right? Their like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Geoff Moore will be great. Geoff Moore. That's awesome.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 06:45 Nice guy.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:50 How does Austin Ridge define discipleship?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 06:52 Discipleship is, and I kind of borrowed this from a guy name, Daniel Im. Have you read his book, No Silver Bullets? Fantastic, if you haven't read it yet. He defines it as, you know, it's that lifelong trajectory, direction towards Jesus is what a disciple is. Somebody who's on that journey. So when we're making disciples, we're helping people make that next step in that journey. So it's not something that you arrive at, that's why we like to refer to it as disciple making instead of discipleship. Cause discipleship seems to just because it's a term that we're so familiar with, it's something that you've done, or something that you do, something you complete versus disciple-making is just that ongoing progress where you're bringing others with you as you are moving towards Christ.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:36 That's awesome. So for you and I like this idea of the longterm. It's interesting the switch between like a discipleship and disciple-making, contextually the word discipleship's lost a lot of its value in that you probably get 10 people in a room together and ask them what discipleship is. You'll get 15 answers back just to the varying levels of that. But it's very clear in context of disciple making. Now a lot of people, and we had episode 19, the last episode, we had Jared Kirkwood on, and he's with the Rooted material, which is out of Mariners Church. I don't know if you're familiar with that. It's a really a great content. Yeah, I really enjoyed digging into that. But you know, he defined discipleship and there's many different ways and I agree with that, but it was disciples are people who make disciples. And so there's like a repetitive process for that. A disciple is someone that's capable of making other disciples, with Austin Ridge, what does that look like?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 08:40 I think the reality is that everybody is making disciples whether they realize it or not. So if you're going to be doing it anyway, you might as well do it well. So we've created that curriculum, to help people. You know what I mean? To help people start, because what we find is I think people, whether they, I don't think most people want to be disobedient on purpose. So I think if scripture tells us that we're to go make disciples. You know, teaching them all I command you, baptize them in the name of, so on and so forth. I think most people once they realize that they want to do it now, whether or not they have the courage to step out just personality wise, whether it's insecurity, whatever it is, they want to be obedient. So if we can help them be obedient by giving them kind of a toolkit that they can work with, that at least will help some people get started in that process.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 09:30 So we created that curriculum or a handbook is kind of what we call it instead of curriculum cause that's got a connotation to it, obviously. But what we encourage them to do, hey, you take three to five other people through this handbook over the next 9-12 months and when you're done, they will have been equipped to do what you just did with them. So there is no pressure for you to be great at it. You were one among equals, right? You know, you're all trying to pursue, move towards Jesus. You're not supposed to be an expert teacher, an expert anything. You're supposed to be a disciple. You're supposed to be someone who loves Jesus, wants to see other people love Jesus and understand Jesus, and then live for Jesus. So if you can do that, if you're willing to risk doing that, here's a toolkit.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 10:15 Now the next time you take somebody through this, you know, shape it a little bit, you know what I mean? So if they haven't done it before, like here's some guardrails and then each subsequent time, kind of make it your own. Over time, this is just one tool among many that you have. So that's one way to do it. I think, you know, through the teaching on Sunday morning, I think is a way we do it. I think one of the things we're doing now, we started this whole equip, category of things around here. They're, you've seen the roundtable videos online. So we have this equip department now where we're offering 2-week classes on knowing Jesus, on how to study the Bible, and how to share your faith. Rolling out some other class environments on science, on apologetics, on some other aspects of studying God's word, things like that.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 11:03 So we're trying to provide some things that are very unstructured with some tools to use in the un-obstruction environment, but more decentralized that'd be like a D-group. These classes obviously more centralized, master teacher oriented. So we're trying to stay away from saying, you know, one is better than the other, but here are various options to take advantage of as you grow as a disciple and make other disciples. So that was a really long answer to like a one sentence question, but it's kind of somewhere in all that is kind of what we're doing right now.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:36 Sure. Well, and the one thing I know just even from, from working at Austin Ridge is you guys, you have a lot of, let's call them discipleship options, you have a lot of grow options, let me use your language available with that. So you've got the Men's Ministry, you've got Women's Ministry, you've got Small Groups. Discipleship was kind of an out shoot of that. What is the relationship as, cause what I see now from the outside is discipleship has seemed to have gotten more, I'm using the word structured, not as, has gotten more value in importance maybe over the past several years. So like how is that tension of, okay, do I need to be in a Men's Ministry and discipleship or discipleship? How does somebody who is in your church, how do they navigate that to find the right place?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 12:34 One of the things that we're learning right now is honestly how to do that. So the D-Groups ministry, which is what I'm overseeing with this handbook and everything, we're really just going public with that for the first time. IE - Lead Pastor, Brad, talking about it, things like that. We've had, you know, 50 plus groups going with that without people really even knowing about it. So it was kind of like let's prepare for whatever might happen once it really goes public. So with that, now we've got kind of four buckets, We've got D-Groups, we got Life Groups, we got Men's and Women's discipleship, disciple-making, equipping, all those things kind of run through all those environments. What makes each distinctive is obviously men's and women's are very gender specific, but they're going to be more kind of step one for a lot of people. It's going to be something that's kind of given to you. You're kind of going to feed your own soul and build some relationships kind of in that order. Life Groups will be more build relationships, feed your own soul, right? And then in the D-Groups, we're giving you the tools to train up others so they can train up others. So they kind of all have the same things, but just in different orders of priority.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:49 I know it's difficult to gauge, but are folks who are looking at D-Groups, are they looking at that as, hey, I'm being trained to be sent out? Or are they looking at it from the sense of, Hey, let me kind of engorge as a Christian and let me gain more knowledge and that kind of thing?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 14:04 It's messaged over and over and over again that you're being equipped to equip now what they hear and how they process that over 9-12 months. Obviously a lot of people are just going to do what they want to with it and one more Bible study is what it's going to turn into for them. And that next step may not be equipping other people. So we kind of have to just trust the Spirit is at work in that over the really long process and not that 12 month process that we would like to grade in our database. You know, one thing we have seen is a lot of people, and we do this on purpose, even with the people that have been in it so far is this is something that you can do alongside what you're already doing. Like this shouldn't pull you out of serving, being in a community you're already in, like for you to be discipled to make disciples is going to make you better at what you're already doing. So don't stop doing that. You maybe have to take it on the chin a little bit and do a little more the next 9- 12 months but this will make you better, more effective, more grounded, more able to do the things that you're already doing.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:09 Do you guys promote that to the church at large? Or is this for like folks that like, you're eyeballing and you're like, this is the right kind of person that we're looking at for this?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 15:17 Up until now, it's been more the eyeballing, and really like me working through our men's and women's leaders to find the right people. One, not only to lead but to actually be in the groups, like who are the best candidates for this kind of thing? Starting though, I guess this next month it'll be promoted alongside all our other environments. So we'll see if that waters it down and makes it better or worse, if it makes it harder or easier, I just don't know right now. Even with 50ish groups across three campuses, you know, you can see that out of that, probably half of those are really like at the point of the spear that we want them to be. The rest of them we're kind of still trying to bring them back, you know? So if you triple that to 150, you're probably still seeing about a third that are very on point and focusing and you having to constantly bring those others back. The worst thing that is going to happen is somebody's going to be equipped with some basic theological understanding, you know, basic tools of how to study the Bible on their own, and some basic hopefully outlooks of how to better live for Christ. If that's the worst that happens.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:24 No, it's not a terrible thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 16:25 Acceptable lost.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:28 Is it tough to resist the temptation to take a new believer through this? Cause obviously they're like the most excited about their faith, they're the most like on fire.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 16:36 I think a new believer is a perfect candidate for this. I think a non-believer, I think that's one step too few. And of course a lot of people, their naturally bent towards evangelism. Like, Oh, I'd love to take my unsaved neighbor through this. I'm like, if they're willing to sign up for this commitment, man, God speed. But there's no way they're gonna finish the thing because it's just going to be so much unfamiliar territory for them. But I think a new believer that is unformed spiritually, you know, their still in that spiritual formation process, I think that's perfect. Because what you find is, the people that honestly have the hardest time staying on track with something like whole D-Group experience is somebody who's been through, you know, 15 different women's studies or men's studies or life group studies and their natural gravitational pools back to what they've already done. So you've got to constantly retrain them of, you know, this is different, this is good. Use what you've learned, but don't try to make this that.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 17:27 Right. See that's the challenge that I've seen, is, so for instance, my dad is a teacher at Bible Study Fellowship. I'm sure they've got some of that where you're at. And so, you know, I would almost rather send a new believer from our church to undergo something like that where it's like, no, you're going to be in the Word and you're going to be accountable for like what you're learning there and yeah, there's going to be some homework, but there's going to be a lot of challenge. And as opposed to, hey, let's fix you into a group where it's going to be, and this isn't to demean anything cause I run my small group based off of video-based curriculum or anything like that where it's going to be more consumption as opposed to more challenge, and it's going to help the believer over the longer haul of their life. You know, like we're equipping them to go do the things that Jesus called them to do and not just to absorb content.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 18:13 Right. Yeah. The biggest, I'll say one of the biggest tweaks we've made to this handbook is taking a lot of questions at the end of the chapter out of it. And the goal of the group time when they meet each week is that each person in the group is supposed to bring observations and questions they have to the table. So week one, the job of each person in the group is to bring themselves to it, you know, versus, "Okay. Question one is x." Well that's what every group does. We have plenty of environments that go through question one is x, but you know, hey Steve, what are you thinking about? Like, what did this draw out of you? What didn't you understand? You know, just those kinds of things to where it's more, it's more heartfelt and now the call for the leader then is to really be light on their feet. You know, they've gotta be able to kind of go to their left alot so to speak in that, but you know, to really let the group drive the conversation so that they learn how to articulate not only what they're learning, but what they don't understand, cause that's as big a part of being a disciple is anything, is being able to just honestly say, I don't know. I don't understand this. Can you help me? You know? And so if we can equip people to just be more comfortable doing that, that's a huge win, I think.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 19:20 As a Communications Director, when I was at Austin Ridge, I struggled with this D-Group mentality because it was, and I'm going to confess right here, I've had a brain shift and I understand it probably better than I did when I was there. But what I struggled with is actually the same things that I see a lot of other churches struggle with is, okay, so this is another thing. Do we want somebody to be in a D-Group and a Men's or small group? Like is this another thing that we want of them a week? Or if I had to choose between a men's, women's small group or a D-Group, like why would I choose or what is the option that I should choose there? When you talk with people who have that tension, who feel that, like what's your response to something like that?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 20:13 Biggest thing I try to do is really spell out what each environment offers kinda like I was saying awhile ago, and then just give them the freedom to choose what they want to do. I mean, at the end of the day it's up to them to own their faith. We actually got an event coming up, end of August, Own Your Faith, it's an equip event. We'll have hundreds of people there and at the end of the night, their assignment before the night's over is to spell out the next 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, what are your steps that you're going to take in your faith? Whether that's, and we've kind of created a tool for them to assess where they are, like where their weakest point is right now based on our core values. Is that something that you really want to see change in the next 12 months?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 20:56 Okay, well the next 3 months, here are your options. 6 months, here are your options. 12 months. Now pick one. There's grace. There's plenty of freedom there. You know, this is a long road mindset that we're trying to take here. You know, you're not going to fix yourself in the next 12 months, but what's something you can grow in, you know, you're still human, but you're still in the image of God and you're filled with Christ Spirit and in Christ you are being sanctified, all these things. So what is that sanctification process? How can we come alongside you as a church in the next 3 months, 6 months, 12 months? But you got to do it. We can't do it for you. Trying to take step back to answer your question is, you know, if a men's group does that for you, best, man, get after it.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 21:38 Now, get after it. You know, but if it's a D-group or a Life Group or if it's a, you know, maybe you're in all these things already and you're not serving anywhere, you don't know how to show your faith. You know what, take this two week class on how to share your faith and a conversation study. Do that. That's huge. Cause if your serving and in a men's group, but you're still scared to share your faith, you've got to call a time out here and let's talk about that. You know what I mean? So it's not a, it isn't a priority necessarily. It's like, it's all these things. And that's what makes it fun, I think. And the more we can, help people understand what we offer them, why we offer it to them, and that there's freedom for them to choose among those things and then just get after it. We hope that more and more people will take us up on that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:25 Okay. So let me ask this because what you've got is a 350 page book for 9-12 months. Like that's a huge commitment. A lot of the other curriculums that I've looked at, you know, we last week or recently we talked with Rooted and Rooted's like a 10 week thing. I've got experience with Timothy Initiative, David Nelm's. Roughly, I think it's a 16 week, but we would chop it in half and do it in eight weeks. That's a huge commitment timewise of 9-12 months. I'm guessing there was intentionality on making it that long. Why did you choose to be a little more aggressive on the time to stretch it out that big?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 23:10 Sure. Well, I mean you could almost break it up into four studies, you know, cause we built it around our model of a disciple, which is a lifelong learner and follower of Jesus who knows who God is at section one, know's what Christ has done in section two, knows who they are in Christ section three and then knows how to live for Christ section four. So if you look at it that way, it kind of is four 10 weeks, you know, series kind of thing. But you know, we tried to build it to where, we kind of took the approach of. When I saw we, this was a large group of people going back about four years when all this started. So I didn't do this single handily by any stretch. I have some fingerprints on it, but me, TJ Morelli, a few other guys on staff started working on this concept about four years ago and basically just decided, okay, what are some theological tenants that we want a disciple who comes out of Austin Ridge to know, you know. We want to be able to as best as we can understand, you know, what the trinity is, what God's character attributes are, how God's revealed himself, you know, those types of things.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 24:13 But then connect that back to real life. You know, why do these things matter? Where do they matter? When do they matter and how do I articulate this stuff? Moving on from that, you know, what Christ has done, really understanding sin, really understanding faith, really understanding these things that we kind of take for granted. But really being able to articulate this stuff and find it in scripture and be able to walk through passages on their own for that. You know, who we are in Christ, the fact that we are forgiven, the fact that we are just, you know, we are justified, sanctified, we will be glorified. Those types of things. Where does that show up in scripture? How do I study that for myself? And then based on all that, you know, if you go through all this stuff and you don't have a desire to live differently for Jesus, then you should start over.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 24:55 So assuming that once you get through those three sections, you just have something that you feel like you've got to do now. Okay, let's end with how we live for Christ. And then looking that, you know, that actually starts with abiding, that looks at the example he gave us, that moves on into the great commission and unpacking that in many different ways, that sort of thing. So we decided instead of kind of, and even doing that, I mean, you're still skimming the surface of a lot of that stuff, you're not doing a deep dive on the trinity in a week, you know what I mean? You might be going further then they've typically gone, but I had a seminary prof tell me, it's like, well, since we can't spend six months on this, the next 20 minutes will be fine. You know?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 25:34 So again, I had to take that approach. Like you can't cover any of this stuff exhaustively but you can hopefully do it enough to at least give some language, give some terms, give some connected tissue from teaching to being able to find it in the word for yourself, to being able to teach somebody else how to find it in the word, and then teach somebody else, that sort of thing. You know, and all along the way, also developing spiritual disciplines. So daily time in prayer, specifically for lost people you regularly encounter, looking for opportunities to have spiritual conversations with, praying for a specific missionary or country and then praying for workers for the harvest. So what we call the missional big three here. You know, so when you talk, so that's when you start looking at trying to develop habits and spiritual disciplines.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 26:19 That takes longer than 10 weeks, right? So then the job of the leader is you start every group meeting with, okay guys, you've been in the word daily for yourselves, what are you learning? What did you see? Have you been praying the missional big three? Okay and before we go any further, let's do that together. Who are we praying for? You know, who have you had spiritual conversations with, etc., etc. So that's why we decided to make the all that as much as we could structure it happen for somebody over 9-12 months. And you've got some groups that want to spend four weeks on the trinity. I discourage them from doing that but grown adults are going to do what grown adults are going to do. If they want to do that, that's fine, but you're going to be in this thing for like two years. That's a long time. And, so another thing we did too, I mean, JD, I'm talking a long time, I'm sorry, but, you know, Brand's led these groups for 20 years and his typically go 12-15 months. And so that they kind of gave us freedom to not try to do a 10-12 week study. It's like that Brad does a discipleship group for 12-15 months, let's write something that they can do in 9-12 months, kind of batteries included.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 27:24 Did you ever consider like not writing your own or was the vision towards, man, we want to so tightly integrate this into our strategy, we just, we need to do it ourselves?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 27:36 That's why we did that. Yeah. We wanted it to sound like us, feel like us. If somebody goes through partnership, and hears this thing, you know about what a disciple is at Austin Ridge and they go through our disciple-making materials that it all lines up. Cause we looked at like Greg's stuff, whatever that was called. We looked at some stuff that Watermark had, we looked at stuff that the Village had. This is all great stuff, but we'd have to tweak it so much to feel like us, let's just start from scratch. And it really was a neat experience. Cause at the end of the day, man, you probably saw the credits page at the end of that, Jeff. But there's, you know, 20 different writers that staff and volunteers, there's eight different editors, staff and volunteers. So it really is a collective effort that, you know, right now it's great, you know, three to five years from now we'll probably go, well, that was a dumb idea and we'll be on to something else because this is a church and we learn and grow and that sort of thing. So we're not telling people this is the Bible if anything, but you know, it's anything but that, you know, this is just a tool to come alongside God's word and come alongside the Spirit at work in you and to come alongside the community that you need to be in, but as you're in community, in God's word as the Spirit works in you, this is a tool to use in this season.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:45 Well, you know, and I love, the thing that I've always loved about Austin Ridge is their ability to do these astronomical, these huge projects without even like blinking an eye. Just, okay, this is what we need to see infrastructure. Like, I'm even just thinking back, I don't even know if you guys do it anymore, but Time with God, there was this like daily devotional that was essentially volunteer produced, I think there was like one person who was an editor who was like part time staff who put it together, but essentially it was volunteer and staff written for years, like that that went on. Do you guys still do that? I'm just curious.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 29:22 We actually just pulled the plug on that back in the spring.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:25 Yeah. And just, I mean, but what I loved about it was, yeah, hey, let's do this. And maybe it wasn't the best place to pour the resources into, but I love the church's vision towards, Hey, this is a great idea, that is a resource list, let's create it. You know, I look at the book that you guys have created, it's 350 pages. Like that's no small feat even with 20 writers and putting that together, keeping everybody singular focused on this and generating that and getting it done. And this is what I think I saw somewhere, this is like version three.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 29:59 Yeah, that's what I was going to say. We didn't start off with a 350 page book in mind. What it started off as is more of a typical, that's a bad word, but you know what I mean? More of a traditional kind of small group thing where here's the topic, here's some passages. What do you see? What does it mean? What do I do? Kind of stuff. And there were just like five or six days of that for each topic. So the idea was somebody will do this in 15-20 minutes a day in addition to their normal quiettime. Problem is, you're assuming a lot of the leader, that they're actually gonna get to the right place with nothing but a little explanatory note and some verses, you know that, that's a lot to ask. So we fleshed it out a little bit more and we fleshed it out one more time and that's how we got through where we are now. So really if you look through most of the weeks now there's about four to six headings. So we still kind of kept those same basic headings from that original version. We just added a little more meat in there so that it kind of walks somebody through. It doesn't give them all the answers, but it kind of walks them towards the answer.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:02 I'm not a numbers guy and we talk a lot about how I don't like numbers, but this is just the numbers you've told me. You've got 50 groups, three to five people. So bad math, 150 to 250 people going through this. When you look at discipleship and you're rolling out new campaign, where Fall 2019 you're going to be pushing discipleship instead of a, hey, let's pull some people aside. Maybe this is more like beta underground, but you're making discipleship more of a public presence out in front of the people, getting them on board. When you look at discipleship, is it, hey, we're just going to see where this thing goes. Do you internally have goals or things that you want to drive to and say, okay, the goal is to get this many people in discipleship as you've talked about discipleship growth in your church. Like how do you guys treat that?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 31:51 Yeah, I mean the kind of the soft goal is, I think it's reasonable to look for a 100-150 groups this next year and out of that, you know, a third to a half of those will probably finish really well. A lot of them kind of leaving the tracks a little bit, we'll have to get them back on, but it kind of a one of those things of, you know, we won't really know if this is successful till we get down the road 3-5 years because if we don't see groups multiplying, if we don't see groups ending in 9-12 months, and then, you know, at least one of the four to six people, two of the four to six people going on to lead others, whether it's in a D-Group or some sort of format, then in my opinion, we haven't been successful at least with the stated goal of disciples making disciples.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 32:39 But it's really, you know, kind of asking two to three, four years if it's working or not because it's just going to take time, you know? I mean, that's the unfortunate answer. You know, at the same time, it's only the Holy Spirit can change a heart. Only the Holy Spirit can really guide us into truth. You know, the Holy Spirit does what he's going to do, which I believe he will. Then the next step is, will people be obedient to what the Spirit's doing in their heart? We can't control that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 33:10 I've talked with churches and actually, you know what, Long Hollow. Ray, I'm blanking on the guy's named.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 33:17 So I've listened to Robbie Gallaty's podcast on this and actually I credit him because he's the first guy that really put this on my radar. You know, there's a tension between like a one on one discipleship, and then a one to multiple, one to three, one to five. I think you guys are 3-5. You said? Robby actually leans towards in his podcast and we'll actually link it in the show notes. He leans towards a one to three model. I just was wondering what life lessons have you learned as you've been developing this? Why have you landed on that three to five range? Have you experienced anything one way or the other?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 33:56 Now I think a lot of that's personality driven. I mean, personally I'm more comfortable one-on-one. I'd rather just get, you know, roll up our sleeves with one other guy and just get after it. I think there's a place for that. I think there's a place for the kind of the four to six person group, that's more. I think you get the accountability piece is different in each. I think just that formation piece is different in each. I don't know that we, like right now I can think of three groups that are one-on-one, that, you know, a particular individual wanted to lead just one other guy because he had just made a great relationship. He's already discipled this guy and he's just wanting to use this tool. Great. There's no rules, no rules against that kind of thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 34:42 You know, it's almost the duplication ratio. You know, if you have four to six people go through it. If one or two of those, you know, go on to do it again, you're just getting more people through the system, practically speaking. I think that's honestly why it's just a basic number saying if we can get 300 people to go through it, maybe we get, you know, 75 to a hundred of them to take a next step. Versus if we get 50 people to go through it, we get 10 of them to take a next step.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:12 So you've mentioned a couple of times, cause I know discipleship and what I've seen from the outside. And by the way, what I've seen, I love, you mentioned Equip a couple times and what Equipped, why don't you define what Equip is in context of Austin Ridge? Let's park on that for a little bit.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 35:32 Yeah. So Joey Writer, who's our Life Groups &amp;amp; Equipping Pastor, he kind of threw this idea out, it's probably a couple of years ago now. And what it started off as was, kind of event based targeted to the things that we just don't cover in a Sunday morning. Typically, you know, the felt need oriented things. You know, we're not going to do six weeks on marriage, money and finances, like a lot of churches. Well those are good, it's just not us but we need an environment to do that. We realized that certain ministries like our care ministry, was doing these great marriage classes or marriage events or parenting events, things like that and they'd have 60 people show up. That's great. Unless you're a church of 4,000 people and 60 people is a drop in the bucket of what would have come had they known about it.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 36:18 And so, Joey kind of created this engine to come alongside events like that. And it's like the first marriage event they did, they had like 300 people show up versus 60. So it's like, oh wow, this works. So we did marriage, we did parenting, we did Apologetics thing, we brought in Robbie's group. One of these guys from Houston came in did a couple of them. And each one of these, you know, we're having hundreds of people show up versus, you know, dozens. And so since that was working, now we're offering some classes. They again do the same thing. It offers environments for things that we don't either cover in messages or just don't have another environment to do it. So I mentioned earlier, we have the kind of the knowing Jesus, so just basic intro to Christianity, 101 kind of stuff.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 37:06 I'm leading a class on how to study the Bible and again, very intro oriented. We're going to have another one on how to share your faith. Those are gonna be Sunday mornings. We cap them at two weeks. So that's where those are. So now we have like the one or two, you know, big event, you know, Sunday night type things. We have the two weeks, Sunday morning classes we're gonna offer, starting in the fall, this Tuesday night, a longer format, like 4-6 week classes where, you know, somebody comes off like a Sunday morning parenting class, but they really need more. We're going to offer a six week that's more in depth. That's more kind of triage oriented for the families that really need that, you know, marriage, finances, faith and science, those kind of things. So starting this fall, we'll have kind of three pronged approach of events that are going to be a little more infrequent now because we have some class environments to do some of that.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 37:57 Events, the two week class, and the 4-6 week class. And again, they're not targeted to everybody. They're targeted at a subset by their very nature. But what we're finding is that subset is for a lot of those things is a lot larger than honestly we wish it was. We wish that many people's marriages did need that kind of help, but they just do and that sort of thing. So offering that, we hope that those become really feeder systems because people get either excited, they get, you know, some tools or they get some help and some healing and they want to step into, okay, well where can I give back? Well, you know, what, D-groups or life group leadership or men's or women's or those kinds of things. So we hope that all these things can kind of feed each other and ask me two or three years if they are or not and I'll tell you.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 38:41 That's cool. I like that. Just cause you know, Jeff, every time I reflect back on the way that many of us were brought up, I feel like there's an aspect that the church is missing in the absence of Sunday school. And I feel like what you're doing there brings a lot of that back. Because you know, folks sometimes just need some time to sit in a classroom setting to kind of digest some of the things that we're talking about in a small group isn't always the best environment for that. Sometimes they just need that teacher kind of aspect to receive the kind of information that you're talking about. You know, some in many churches. Just think of that in terms of like we just got done talking in a past episode with somebody from Dave Ramsey with Ken Schaffer from Dave Ramsey organization, you know, and that's one aspect of that. But in marriage, in raising kids and so many different areas, I think folks need that kind of environment to just absorb information.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 39:24 Even that's going to run out at some point. Some people are going to need even more than that. But you think about if a four to six week intensive can't sufficiently meet the needs. A small group leader, lay leader with an hour and a half each week with, you know, a meal included, doesn't have time to dive into that, nor do they have the skill set. So it allows them to play to their strengths, which is relational. You know, it allows a D-Group to play to it's strengths, which is you know, Biblical, theological and relational. Men's, women's groups, those sorts of things. So as opposed to one or two environments having to be everything to everybody, hopefully we can just create more opportunities. Again, the challenge is not to let each of these things try to do everything cause that's the natural pool of everything. Well it's like, man, you know what if this marriage group just became a small group.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 40:07 It'd be all fixed. No, we already have those over here. They need to jump out of this, you know, felt need based saying into this more general community where their, you know, just going to be with people and not with a situation, you know, that sort of thing. So we're going to bump our heads into some stuff, but it's neat that we're in a season right now where we've got the freedom to kind of experiment with some of those things and see what works and then keep those things and kind of push off the stuff that doesn't work and then make those things that are working better.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 40:35 Yeah. I love how there's strategy that's intentionally in place for this. Working on your strengths. A small group, a Biblical community cannot be the catchall for this because you don't have the opportunity to dive in into a smaller, more deeper relationship. The Group leader may or may not be capable of that. Even getting into the nuances of a divorce recovery of a single parenting, of, you know, the issues that'll come up with there and having the separate classes to hone in on that. Looking at what Austin Ridge has developed and the intentionality towards this growth department, this area that now they're saying, here's this option of groups. Here's this option. If you're looking for something deeper, here's this issue. If you just need help, equipping or working through felt needs, like it's really starting to see, okay, there's a path here that people can work through.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 41:36 While on that path, you're not hindering the growth of that as well. The last thing, and it's one of the things that I love that we heard from Jared Kirkwood is you don't want your small group to be therapy session ,where you're continually stuck in a circle. We've all had these groups where they just continually move all around and they're stuck because of a certain person that's going through a certain issue. And those issues are important to get solved. But as a result of it, you don't always have the opportunity to take the entire group forward because of the issues that are stuck with the individual person. So setting up a model like this, they can dive into the felt need is so good. And so like that's such an awesome option. Now I want to totally ask you about the church online implications of that and how you're utilizing this, but I know you guys aren't there yet with Austin Ridge. I love you anyway. But what I do love that you're doing online with this is the idea of this podcast, that you've set up where you're, you know what, instead of me like talking about it, Jeff, just tell us a little bit about how you're using the round tables, the podcast, like what that looks like for your church.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 42:50 The round table. Well, okay, so Equip, they had a podcast already and it was creating follow up resources for the events. So they already had the podcast channel established. The round table thing was a second idea that, Nathan Jennings, actually one of the guys in our communications department, video guy kind of Jack of all trades came up with this. Like we need something where we can talk about the stuff that we don't talk about anywhere else. Like where there's behind the scenes stuff or addressing a particular issue or you know, theology 101 kind of stuff. He's like, would you guys be interested in doing that? And of course Joey Ryder and I were both like, well yeah, absolutely. So they got us working together on that and what we've done is create, I think we did 20 episodes kind of season one which is what too many episodes obviously, but kinda got on a roll.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 43:36 So we just kept going with it. But what we did, we did some theology, we did some, you know, kind of behind the scenes of how ministries function, why they do what they do, kind of what they're going for, talk to, you know, some different leaders from different campuses. Try to involve some lay leaders. It just kind of experiment with experimented with some different things and we're getting, you know, mixed, a mixture of view on like format so to speak. So for instance, we've learned that, we get far fewer views on online videos, social media, then we get podcast listens. Like we get, you know, 60 views we'll get 300 listens. Okay. We're going to put our energies more into making sure we talk about, or we talk about these things in such a way that just the audio make sense without having to watch the video.
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 44:21 It's a little things like that that we're going to do for this next season. But yeah, I mean, it's been neat because it's given a great outlet for a lot of ministry leaders to talk about, you know, whether it's a particular issue that's important to them or a particular thing in their ministry that, you know, unless you're on staff, you're never gonna know some of this stuff. And so it's been kind of good to do some of that stuff. One byproduct of that is it created a kind of a collaborative energy between not only me and Joey, but then other staff as well. So like the first one we did was me and our missions guy, Don Ellsworth, talking about, you know, missions and disciple-making and, you know, are they two sides of the same coin, are they different coins, these things like that to have that conversation, you've got to have a conversation. And that's what most church staffs don't have the luxury or the opportunity to sit down and do for a long enough time to really start peeling back some layers. And so that's given us opportunity to do some of that, which is really leading to some neat conversations kinda in the hallway or around some other things. So it's been neat.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 45:26 That's cool. By the way, we're going to link to that podcast with what? With you and Don. I love Don. I love, I like you. I don't necessarily love you, but no, I love you. But the wrestling with that was cool. But the thing that I really like about this and audience is what I wanted to kind of focus on here is that the podcast gives your ministry leaders a voice in a realm that isn't necessarily utilized, let's say well. Now all sorts of people will listen to a sermon podcast, but transparently there's dozens of different places to listen to the same sermon, podcasts, everything from multiple services any given weekend at multiple campuses, there's probably a church online broadcast, there's probably a Facebook broadcast. There's probably something that's eventually uploaded on Youtube. And so like a lot of energy in the average church in America go into a, technologically savvy average church in America, goes towards launching that podcasts for the sermon.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 46:25 But what we're seeing here is you're utilizing the podcast as an opportunity to highlight ministry opportunities and other things are happening to the church to pull people in and creating it as a shareable content linking to it on Facebook and all of a sudden now, the people who are listening have ways to have shareable content that'll pull people into the ministry of your church, not just through Sunday services with that. And so you're trying to get somebody involved in a group, there is a podcast on parenting, which I know is one that I've heard recently. And so you've got somebody who's struggling with that and maybe it's a single mom that you want to share. You share that resource in an audio format that's a front door that gives a person sharing an opportunity to pull them into the church.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 47:14 That gives the church an opportunity to receive somebody into the ministry. And so, like, I love the idea of talking about the ministries and utilizing podcasts, you know, put the podcast on a blog post. All of a sudden now you've got an easily web-based, shareable format that's got podcast audio on it that can pull people from the outside into specific areas of your church's ministry. So like when I saw that Jeff, I've got to tell you and I got to, I think I did, I texted him immediately like this is incredible well done, but, definitely want to see more from that. Well, man, this has been a great podcast. Like I just, I'm excited about seeing what God's doing at Austin Ridge and even this shift of discipleship that even within the past, you know, so many years. I'm not saying it happened because I left, but conveniently I think I left and then there was this shift that happened but as a result we're seeing more of this and more intentionality with that. So man, this has been great. Rey, as we're landing the plane, any questions? Your thoughts here?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 48:20 Yeah, I guess I just love that you guys are treating discipleship more like art than science. You know, it seems like you guys are really just taking a look at this and saying, you know, people have different pathways to get to discipleship and we're going to help them find their best path, but we're not going to tell them which path to take. We're going to help guide them along the way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 48:38 In the grand scheme of creating a single path or creating multiple paths that will get people to the same destination I think the one thing that Austin Ridge does well is they figured out how to create multiple paths that funnel people, eventually to the same destination. And so that's been really exciting to see that development in recent years. Jeff, man, any closing thoughts as we're wrapping up?
  
  
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  Jeff Moore: 49:04 No, man. I'm excited about what you guys are doing. I'm curious to see where the church online platform, platforming all those things, kind of where it goes. You know, I'd love to have another conversation online or offline, you know, just about all that stuff because I'm sure that, you know, as we, you know, as we get into year two, year three, month three, who knows, with just this whole D-group idea, our disciple making efforts, there's going to be an itch for how else? And fill in the blank. So I'll just be curious to see where that goes. So I'm excited to be a part of this with you guys. So it's fun to still be in ministry together even though you're in Florida, I'm still in Austin,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 52:33 That's awesome. Man, that's why I miss Jeff Moore. Alright, so, hey for, Rey, for Jeff, hey, this has been Jeff Reed with The Church Digital. It's been a great podcast. Looking forward to what, hey, we've got elevation coming up next. I'll go and plug that. Next podcast, we've got, Elevation. We've got Danielle Hicks, who's the Pastor of Watch Parties. I thought that was, that was her title, right? It was watch parties. The only Pastor in America who's got parties in her job title. I've got to you, I'm a little envious of that, but we're gonna be talking about how Elevation uses Church Online to create, to cluster these people together to create discipleship, physical discipleship groups scattered across the country. So it's a great conversation, especially tied to Church Anywhere. So, Jeff, thank you. Rey, thank you. Audience, thank you very much. We'll catch you next time here at The Church Digital Podcast. You all have a good day.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and I am excited that you all are here today. This is episode 19. By the way, can you believe we've done 19 of these episodes? I just on a personal note, I just want to tell you all, I hope that this has been a beneficial resource for you all. It's been great having these conversations, digging deep into what church online can be, what church online should be, and hopefully these resources not only in the technical aspects but in the ministry side and the small group, Biblical community, the discipleship aspect of church online. Hopefully this has been a rewarding benefit for you and is making your ministries better. By the way, we are not slowing down the next couple months are going to be phenomenal and I'm really excited to continue this podcast and bring you all into these conversations as we discover what's working at church online, how people are seeing success, and how God is blessing the ministry of Church Online across the country.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:02 Well cool, we've got a great episode here at episode 19. We're going to be digging in talking about discipleship in context of Church Anywhere. This is our third week talking about Church Anywhere. As you may remember, Church Anywhere is a program that's set up by First Capital Christian Church that really utilizes their online campus as a way to cluster and gather people together into physical space. They're literally doing micro locations in office workspaces, in prisons, in a hospital, Rehab centers, homeless centers, and afterschool centers, even in homes, gathering people together to watch the broadcast, to do Bible studies, to grow together in the physical space, as well as, watching and processing things through the church online broadcasts and they've seen some phenomenal results of it. We've talked about it in past podcasts, but as many as 450 people scattered across this small town in Corydon, Indiana have watched and are part of these church online locations.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:10 And it's phenomenal to see this ministry happen. But the challenge before First Capital Christian is how to create a disciple who can in turn create disciples. As that ministry has grown as many as 16 micro locations that are meeting any given week, they've grown past the ability to have staff. So we've got to empower volunteers to do that. How do you take a volunteer? How do you take in a church attender? How do you take a consumer and groom that person to the point that they are now a disciple who can create a disciple? And it's that discipleship process that I want to dig in. What's the material? What's that conversation? What does that look like? That span of time where you take someone who was as an outsider at church, may not truly understand, and then groom them to the place where they are a disciple who is now capable of leading others to Christ and leading others to a deeper relationship with Christ through discipleship.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:04 Come to find out that First Capital Christian has based their discipleship pathway off of this material called Rooted, which is distributed and managed here in the United States by Mariners Church, out in California. So we're going coast to coast here, conversations in Miami, talking with a church in California about how people in Indiana make disciples, online church is phenomenal. I love what we're seeing here. So ladies and gentlemen, I bring to you this conversation, discipleship in context of church online. Jared Kirkwood from Rooted, Tyler Sampson, Engagement Pastor at First Capital, Rey DeArmas, Christ Fellowship Miami and myself, Jeff with The Church Digital, hope you all enjoy this and here you go.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 04:50 So Rooted is a 10 week small group experience that helps people within the church get connected to God, the church and ultimately, to discover their purpose. We use Rooted at Mariners as a tool to help anybody who comes to our weekend service that's looking for their next step. This is a not only an assimilation tool, but it's a generator of small groups. It's a cultural baseline. It's the way in which we create shared experiences and common language so that everybody who comes to our church that says, how do I get involved? They go through Rooted, at the other side of that, that Rooted group becomes a life group. That life group has a rhythm of serving and praying and these other rhythms that exist within the rooted material, that helps them understand what does it look like to be equipped for group life at Mariners. And so now part of my role is overseeing Rooted at Mariners but also equipping the roughly 800 churches that are using Rooted all across the country. And so I spent a large part of my day doing coaching calls, coming alongside churches that are trying to figure out how to implement rooted within their context, and then we run various training retreats and all that kind of stuff throughout the year.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:52 Cindy leads a Hodgkin's Rehab Center. I think that sees like 40 people a week coming together to experience church in that Rehab Center's basically conference room or community center. And Brad is part of a church service for, I felt like it was anywhere between 30 to almost 300 people, sometimes.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 07:15 About 350.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:15 Yeah. And so just depending upon what week it is and whether the prisoners can all come together or not. But that's a phenomenal thing when you think that, you know, First Capital Christian is empowering these people to basically go out and be the spiritual shepherds responsible for these souls at these locations. And so I wanted to explore a little bit more of this. And Tyler, you guys have been using it at First Capital, you've been using the Rooted material for awhile now, right?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 07:48 Yeah. We went through it as a staff, in an elder group first. We call our elders, shepherds. So if I slip up and say, shepherds, know that that's the same thing as elders. But we went through it as a staff and shepherds, first, and loved it. And then we launched our first group, I would say probably a year and a half ago. So we've been doing Rooted for about a year and a half, going on two years.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:14 How has that experience gone for you, Tyler? Like, what has that felt like? What have you seen come from that?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 08:21 Oh man, it's been amazing. I love it. It was really hard at first. So we did the 10 week experience during the work day. The first time we did it just because of scheduling and it was just staff. So that made it a little difficult to motivate yourself to want to stop for an hour or two during a workday. But man, it was so rewarding. Specifically, there is a prayer experience that really stands out that every time I've done it I feel like I've got a different, God telling me something out of it even though I've done Rooted multiple times now.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:56 I've heard about that prayer time, even from other people that have gone through it and seen how that really has had an impact in people's lives. Before we go any further, let's stop and kind of just pick this apart because the word discipleship, I mean, I can say that to probably 10 different people. What does discipleship mean? And I'll probably get back 15 answers because it just, it's so varying at levels. Jared, as somebody who's written this discipleship material that's really used as the framework, the way that you guys have created it at Mariners, kind of this front door to leading towards groups and other community and things, you know, how do you guys at Mariners define discipleship?
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 09:41 Sure. So just to clarify, while I have done lots of writing and contribution to Rooted, I didn't originate this program. It actually comes from a partner Church of ours in Kenya, which is a big part of our story. So, you know, the funny thing about trying to make disciples is it is an intentional conversation that really points back to the Gospels about what does it mean to follow Jesus. And I think you said it really well, Jeff, that disciples make disciples. So it's not a what conversation as much as it's a how. So it's a real strategic conversation about, okay, so how on earth do we help the average person become more like Jesus? And a part of that is an entire conversation around church strategy. What is it? What are the markers of a Jesus follower? It's a leadership development conversation. There's a maturity conversation.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 10:25 So there's a lot of stuff that goes into how do we help someone become more like Jesus, right? In America, that's usually a western approach, which is about intellect and knowledge informing our behavior. If I can learn enough, it should inform how I live my life. Well, we all know in Romans 7 is a good validation for this, that I can know what is right and still do what is wrong. So there's gotta be more than just an intellectual approach to understanding what does it mean to follow Jesus. And for us at Mariners for years, we had great small group programs. We had lots of, you know, adult education. We had classes, we had great opportunities for people to grow in their understanding of God. Hoping that that would really help inform their behavior to become more like Jesus. But what we learned from our partners in Kenya was that it's more of an experiential model that leads to the true kind of behavioral change, which then of course knowledge and intellect is all wrapped up into that.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 11:22 But if we are going to the places that Jesus went doing the things that Jesus did, we aren't actually becoming more like Jesus. We're just thinking more like Jesus. So we found this program that they were doing over 10 years ago. We met them through our partnership and we said, hey, could we kind of translate this and bring it back to contextualize it really to what it would look like to use for our church in southern California? And they said, sure. So we brought it back, did it at Mariners, and we taught it and it was more like a small group model with the curriculum that was sort of fueling it. And quite frankly, it just didn't work. So we went back to them and said, what did we do wrong? And they said, you did everything wrong. So they said, well, we'll come back and we'll help you figure out how to do it.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 12:07 We spent the next year or two after that, this is around 2008-2010, right around in there where they started helping us understand more of a, for lack of a better generalization, an eastern approach, which it ties in much more experiential learning than just intellect and understanding. And so that really informed the way in which we want it to approach discipleship at Mariners. And so since then Rooted has been a program that hinges on these experiences. And Tyler mentioned the prayer experience already. We would also talk about the serve experience, be an element where we need, as a group, we need to go out and serve our community so that we can go be a part of what Jesus is doing in our city. Be a part of the story that God is writing in our neighborhoods. Right. We'd also would include sharing our story as a critical component of that.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 12:57 So one of the things that I think the Western church has, you're either really good at it or you don't do it, which is evangelism, right? Sharing our own story, you either do it because your Senior Pastor loves evangelism and it's hardwired into your DNA, or you don't do it because it's really hard. Well, what Rooted does is it helps people see that evangelism doesn't have to be telling my testimony. It can actually be talking about what God's doing in my life right now and leads me to my family or my workplace or neighborhood and allows me to share my story of what God's doing in my life today, right? A little different than how we typically talk about evangelism. So as you can see, when we approach discipleship, we want to come from an experiential angle that allows people to intermingle intellect and experience so that we might actually think like Jesus, but also do things more like he did, hoping that we develop more integrated spirituality in our life rather than just simply knowledge base.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 13:54 I've worked in churches personally, that have been on both sides of that coin, that, that have been very evangelical driven, where like we're out there, we're witnessing, we're sharing. I've worked with churches that, you know, do the hey, let's, you know, invite to the service, let the lead pastor do the witnessing, but your job is just to get them in the pew. I've worked with churches that are very, grow-oriented where it's not necessarily evangelism, as much as, hey, when a person outgrows the evangelical church, they're going to come over and just, you know, take part of what's over here. We get our growth when churches, you know, just want to get more in a growth. And obviously there's pros and cons to all that. Some churches would say that there's a difference between discipleship and small groups. Some churches that would say it's the same. I'm just curious as a guy who works so much in context of coaching and helping churches through this, like what's your opinion on all this? What, what is the role of discipleship in groups? What's that relationship look like?
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 14:52 Sure. It's would be very difficult to separate the two out as if they're mutually exclusive, but I do believe that those of us who are growing to become more like Jesus would have a very difficult time doing it outside of community. Community is a critical element to being a part of following Jesus, and so you saw Jesus build it with his disciples. You saw those apostles then do that with their communities. You saw Paul travel around the ancient areas, building churches that were communities that were sharing things. They were praying for one another. They were working together for the good of the city. So a small group has become our approach to ensure that to become more like Jesus, I have to do it with others. Right. That's also discipleship.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 15:44 The problem though is that most churches that I've worked with, and to be honest, it was our own church a number of years ago that most small groups turn into cul-de-sacs. They become, to make it actually a little bit of a sadder phrase, most small groups become support groups. They become places in which we spend time together so that I can talk about my problems. I can vent my frustrations and I can receive prayer that I kind of need from my people. But a support group is not what I saw Jesus create with his disciples. I saw him activating people who are following Jesus and saying, we're going to go and do something. This is going to be about us. But it's also going to be about, actually it maybe better said is it's going to be God's work within us, but also God's work through us to benefit those around us. So what do you guys think?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:32 No, that's solid Jared. You know, and I've even seen this in my own small group where when challenge is presented in small groups, it seems like folks want to take a step back as opposed to embracing the challenge and taking a step forward in their faith. And so what are some ways that you guys encourage folks to take a step forward? Because it almost seems like small groups tend to be the pathway that we introduce new Christians who are obviously like the most excited people about growing in their faith. At least that's been my experience. So they're willing to like take those big leaps early on, whereas the people who've kind of been coddled in church or they've been at church for awhile, well I'm just here to receive and I'm just kinda here to just check things out. And so how do you guys kind of wrestle with that tension?
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 17:14 Yeah, great question Ray. So part of it is within Rooted, which becomes our, it's our cultural baseline where we're going to help you understand what does it look like to be equipped for life in community, to really be in a life group at our church. And so there are these seven rhythms and I'd actually love to hear Tyler talk about how this has been expressed at First Capital. But in these seven rhythms, we're going to create some habits that your group is going to eventually do together once you graduate Rooted. So when you move on to become a life group, you're not going to forget everything you learned in Rooted. Instead, you're going to use it as a launching pad for the things that we did together, like that prayer experience. We're going to continue to pray together, both in our group, but we're going to set aside extended periods of time to pray for our city, for our neighbors.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 17:58 We might do a prayer walk. We might get out into our city and truly pray for the government or for our our school district or whatever that may be. We're going to not just talk about those areas of sin or struggle in our life. We're going to pause for a moment, have a moment of honesty, and then I'm going to ask my group to pray for me to experience spiritual freedom in whatever that area is in my life. So with everything that we talk about, these rhythms are not just things that we're trying to seek to understand. We're truly developing a practice that's going to be something we do together in community. So serving is another good example of that. We don't just study serving or study the poor and the marginalized. We're going to invite groups on a reoccurring basis to go out into the city and they're going to go serve together.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 18:44 Okay. So that one right alone is actually a great example of a group that is fighting as they're drifting towards. And it's a natural drift. This is actually something that Eric Geiger talks about. Churches naturally drift towards complexity. Small groups naturally drift towards inward focus. So we need to introduce outward focused invitation for them so that they might be able to go into the community and see that the world really is bigger than just them. And that Jesus cares for people beyond just who's right in front of them. So again, we want to invite, we want to try to help them step outside of what they're normally comfortable with. And that breaks down some of that support group type things that start to take place in a group.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 19:27 I think that the struggle in churches, period, is to get out of that inward mindset. So imagine how much harder that is to facilitate online. Whereas I mean, you watch church online a vast majority of time as a consumer. The typical person that I talk to that joins us online does not get on there to be like, man, I hope this church fills me up so I can go talk to my neighbor about Jesus later. That's not how that works. So what we have tried to do by using the Rooted material. We thought that that would be a really good way to start moving towards the outward focus rather than just the inward focus. So we're actually doing Rooted online with a group of 10 people right now, kind of like the Guinea pig for it. But it's been amazing to see how that has shifted that small group mindset of inward focus to outward focus.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 20:27 I would love to hear how you are approaching those group experiences, like prayer, like serve, how are you doing that with your online community? Because this is so intriguing to me.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 20:36 Sure. Yeah. So, I'll hit the prayer one first. We met on a zoom call for the first hour and we prayed together. We went through some guided prayer from the group leader. I'm actually not leading this one, which is a really cool to be able to just kind of sit and observe and participate. So the group leader led us through some guided prayer. We prayed on the zoom call and then we just left the zoom call open. We told everyone to either set an alarm on their phone but keep their phone out of reach. So like they know when to come back or like go take a walk and pray while you're walking, whatever you feel comfortable with, but we broke off for another hour, came back and broke our fast together at the very end.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 21:25 So we finished off by praying. Obviously we weren't in the same room eating together, but we were watching each other on zoom eat, which is a super weird thing to do. But yeah, so it was basically the exact same as how you could do it in person just without being able to touch someone. As far as, the survey experience, we gave them three options you could serve someone in your neighborhood, you can serve with your community. So for example, like a soup kitchen or something like that. Or you could serve a specific person. So that could be a family member, it could be a friend and we gave them those three options and came back the next week and just talked about what we did to serve. So we couldn't do that as a group because of the physical distance between us. But we were all on the same page of what type of service that we were doing.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 22:15 And so that's incredible, Tyler. Did you then, you've been in groups both physical and then now this online one. I would love to hear some of the contrast of what you felt like really worked, what didn't work, between being someone together, serving together and praying together versus when you were able to do this through zoom.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 22:33 Obviously it is more personal if you are seeing them face to face and being able to touch them and be in their physical presence. But with that being said, technology has continued to advance to a point where I don't know in the, most of these people in the group, I don't have personal relationships with outside of online. Yet, I still know them as friends and as people that I'm close to. And so while it's not exactly the same, it is really good for specific types of people that do not interact well in person.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:11 So Tyler, you just wrapped up this group, right?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 23:15 We have one more week.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:17 I knew it was right around here. So when this airs, you've wrapped it up, what's the next step for the group in your application at First Capital, you got six people, eight people, all over the country, like where are they going?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 23:30 We're going to be a small group and we're going to do that through a Facebook group. We'll do it through obviously text messaging, calling and things like that but we are also on Marco Polo, which I don't know if you guys know what that is. Yeah. But because of the time differences and things like that within the group, it makes it a lot easier to not have to be live when we meet. And so moving forward, I think that's the route we will go. I don't know if you remember Jeff, we had someone that I told you was going to be from London in the group and the time difference just killed him. And so something like Marco Polo could really help that out with moving forward.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:07 Here's my question because once again, Geiger, groups point towards inward, systems point towards complexity. I probably would have that as a tattoo if I was getting tattoos back in the day cause he just would say that so much. I love him for that. At what Saddleback, online to offline, and Tyler, you know this, like they push people out of their online groups like six to nine months. Hey, I'm glad you could be in this group. It's time to birth something different and there is an aggressive strategy. Not saying it's right and not saying it's wrong, but there is an aggressive strategy towards them towards, "okay, hey, we're going to go birth to something over here." So it's really, let me help you with these finishing touches, but we're training you to go do that. At First Capital, have you wrestled with something like that? What does that look like over there with you guys?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 24:57 Yeah, they have a little thing called Church Anywhere that they can start. That's pretty much kind of what we're training them not to do is to one, find their purpose. Jared, you don't know a whole lot about Church Anywhere, but it's very passion and purpose based. We try to empower someone that like when they have this purpose, when they have this passion, for example, the person with the Huntington's Disease Rehab Center, she worked there. So she had a passion for these people. So we said, hey, let's help you go and do this. And so through Rooted people are finding their purpose, finding their passion. We're using the serve experiences to give them exposure to Church Anywhere. So many of our Rooted groups, in person or online, are serving within Church Anywhere groups outside of our physical location. So their serve experience could be like, I'm going to go create a meal for our homeless shelter Church Anywhere. So we're giving them that exposure and we've already seen, probably 30-40 people that have either jumped in a Church Anywhere location as a volunteer or began to lead one.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 26:05 From the stories podcast last week, or I listened to it earlier today from your previous posting. And Tyler, it's remarkable what you guys have gone over there. I'm excited to meet with my team after this and share some stories of what you guys are doing out there. Cause it really is incredible and this to really speak to something here, you know, we're working with lots and lots of churches and a lot of them are asking this online digital strategy kind of thing. And we've yet to really hear a story of a church utilizing Rooted in this way that's been this impactful and effective. And so Tyler, I'm going to be calling you up soon to get some more wisdom from you because this is amazing. This will be a huge blessing to so many churches, so well done.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 26:46 Awesome. So we're going to expect to see lots of little Rooted communities popping up all over the place and out of the 16 micro locations you are currently running , going to get some Rooted going on in some of the prisons. And you know, Brad mentioned that's he does a Bible study. Is he doing Rooted with them?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 27:04 He's not, but we've been in talks figuring out how we can get that within, like obviously the kids one, it wouldn't work, things like that, but on, for specific locations, where the people will be there, I absolutely think we can get it in there.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 27:18 We do have some churches that have used Rooted in a prison environment. We created a specific format for them cause you can't have any kind of hard binding or why or anything like that. So we created a glue bound for them so that they could do that. And it's been really pretty amazing. We even had some global stories of some global partners who have used it in prison systems down in the Dominican Republic. And I've seen some really remarkable life change stories of like 300 men in a prison of 500 go through Rooted. 300 baptisms. It's just remarkable stuff that we've been able to see God, and it's not because there's any magic sauce in the curriculum, right? It really is God's hand. This is such a beautiful picture of God's favor utilizing this thing.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 28:05 Both of these things we're talking about Church Anywhere and Rooted are very simple. It's already stuff that we're called to do as Christians, it's just putting it into practice. It's a strategy to actually put that into practice.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 28:19 That's it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:20 It's interesting to me and Jared, you said this came from Kenya. I have experienced with the Timothy Initiative, which was a David Nelms out of India, I think somewhere out in that area. And maybe it's a two minute conversation, but why is it that the international curriculum has this effect and usefulness here in America? Is there something about the culture here? Like what are the things that we're sensing and struggling with here where maybe it's not as comfortable?
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 29:00 Well, that's a pretty huge question that I don't want to pretend I'm any kind of expert in responding to, but I can say that I think one of the saddest things in the history of the church as of late has been "the west to the rest" kind of mentality as if America knows everything and we can inform the rest of the world on how to follow Jesus. Right? I think that kind of arrogance has done the damage, you know, it's done a lot of damage in America. And so there's been a really beautiful shift and an openness and a recognition that maybe we don't have everything figured out and there are brilliant people globally. I mean there some amazing things happening all around the world that now we're finally willing to listen and to open our hands and say, okay, maybe we don't know everything.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 29:50 And so that doesn't mean that you have to do it exactly the way that they did it, but it is more of a posture of learning and listening that I think the church in America is now way more open to than it ever has been, well in my lifetime at least. And so I am so grateful now that we live in a generation that's looking to our global partners to say the church globally is more important than just simply the church in America getting bad. And so it becomes a mutually beneficial relationship when we choose to listen and to learn rather than to try to inform and to teach in every environment we're in.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:24 That's good. Jared, as obviously folks are looking to, you know, expand. I mean, how does Rooted help them kind of come to an understanding of, hey listen, so there's a big difference between creating disciples and creating leaders at your church because some folks try to lump them all into one thing. Are we creating new small group leaders, or are we creating, you know, people who are closer to Jesus? Like how is all this working out and how is Rooted helping people kind of clarify those conversations.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 30:53 Sure. So this is a little bit of a shifting gears, right in kind of the conversation. But we would say that you cannot have a conversation about discipleship or helping people become more like Jesus and separate out leadership development. If we're becoming more like Jesus, that means we're influencing others, which means we're becoming a leader, right? So there's just a, it's all encompassing in one way. And so what I love a lot about Rooted is that you see people get their first glimpse of what it means to serve and to be involved in some things.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 31:27 And so they start to tap into that passion. A lot of what Tyler's saying about people recognizing that they do have experience or passion or love for nursing facilities or in, you know, whatever it is, the prison system, that's a really beautiful thing where people start to tap into how God is hardwired them and then utilizing their experiences and then getting a chance to serve the Kingdom of God in that way. Well, that's leadership development, right? So within Rooted, we're giving people a chance to try some things on and to develop some leadership skills. But another thing that we're starting to do is, we asked people to consider if you want to really be involved in any ministry of Mariners, we want you to be as best a leader as possible. And I know in our church the very best leaders are the people who facilitate Rooted because it gives you within 10 weeks a really good chance to lead a discussion, deal with crisis, learn to defer, deal with conflict.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 32:20 You've got to lead experiences. There are so many things that you're going to do in a 10-week window that will equip you to be a great leader anywhere in our church. And I can say that actually as the former high school pastor of our church, the very best volunteers I had in high school ministry were people that I lead through Rooted that I then intentionally asked them to be involved in student ministry. They were well equipped to be a part of our student ministries program. So, and I would imagine that if you asked Tyler that same question, you're going to see those who have facilitated Rooted are uniquely equipped to lead anywhere within the church.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 33:49 We alluded to it on the podcast with Randy and I, but, one of the people, so the Rooted online group that we did, you were only allowed to join it if you were from the online campus only. So like you couldn't just be in our location and join it online. One of the ladies, I mean my care team has talked to her multiple times, like we know who she is, but I've never met her physically before. But she joined the Rooted group online and we quickly found out that she was struggling with some anxiety and depression and she became very comfortable with us, like we became a family to her even though it was online. She reached out a couple of weeks ago and said she can't take it any longer and she was gonna take two bottles of pills.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 34:45 She reached out to the group and said that. So immediately we kind of spring into action because of Church Anywhere, I have a good relationship with several of the sheriffs in our area because we're in their prisons. So I was able to call his personal cell phone. He traced her phone number to get her location. We talked to her on the entire time that the paramedics were coming and now she's okay. I don't say this to sound arrogant, but she literally texted us the next day and said, thank you for saving my life. So that would have never ever happened had she not decided to join this Rooted group. I mean, I would've known her from like seeing her on the online campus, but that was it and we specifically are able to pray for her. We have people from out of state that are wanting to come and visit her, driving five or six hours because they're in this group with her. So it was just an absolutely humbling experience to be a part of that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:49 You know, so often we hear when we're talking about church online, it's not real community. It's not real. There's no relationship aspect to it because you're not breathing the same air. Stories like that and I wanted you to tell that again like that redefines what church online is.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 36:09 That would have been a very real suicide and now she has an extremely real testimony to share because of that.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:40 So some of our more successful groups have actually done something like Rooted in that. They did Foundations. I mean, Jeff, you know, you're aware of this, you helped establish this, you know, before you went onto some different things.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:59 We tweaked it and we adapted it, which actually gave people a good intro in spiritual disciplines, but it also gave people a great introduction into small group ministry, which was huge. And so, you know, for us, that was very helpful early on and helping establish a pattern for many of these groups. And so hearing this, you know, it's great to hear how Rooted is being used over at First Capital, but also over at Mariners in the fact that this kind of structure, it's proven true that people need an introduction to not just spiritual disciplines, but really rhythms of the faith and just a better understanding of what it means to be a Christian and how that affects their personal lives on the day to day and giving them the simple tools of how to break that down.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 38:44 Yeah, absolutely. This thing, it really is by God's grace transforming not only our church, but a lot of the churches that we're working with. There's something to be said about the American approach to lowering the bar, and trying to make things as easy as possible to be involved. And Rooted is quite frankly the opposite, right? It is raising the bar and it is asking people to do things that are in some cases well outside of their comfort zone. It's demanding of their time and their resources. It asks a lot of people, but we've found a direct correlated relationship to the lower the bar, the lower we brought the bar of discipleship, the lower the impact we saw. And so we just started raising the bar higher and higher and higher and people continue to exceed our expectations no matter how high we place it.
  
  
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  Jared Kirkwood: 40:34 I really could care less if people use Rooted or not because if whatever they're doing, if it's making disciples that are living this way, praise God. I'm so excited about that. I just know that I've had a front row seat to Rooted and it's been a pretty impactful part of my story and we get to see some pretty amazing things both in America and around the world. So I'm really grateful for you guys giving me some time to talk about this. So Tyler, I'll be talking to you soon my friend.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 41:14 It's just a wonderful thing to hear how it's happening. Discipleship is taking place online and people are growing in their faith and they're being sent out to make an impact in their communities. And so for those of you, churches, that are still on the fence, this is possible. This is something that can happen. You've heard it here, you've seen it over the past couple of weeks. If not, go back into the archives and check out some of the other stuff that's going on with Church Anywhere. It can happen for you too.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:32 That's good to know. That app is going to make, especially in the digital realm, it's just going to make it a lot less clunky. I mean it's, I'm making fun of the book. I'm not making fun of the book. It's a big book.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:45 It's good stuff. As a former bookstore owner, like I don't get anybody giving me books anymore. I just don't cause like, you know, Amazon and iPad. And so when Tyler's like, Hey, let me mail you this book, I'm like, wow, somebody's still out there using paper. That's, that's awesome. Hey, we're going to wrap here. This has been the end of a three week conversation about Church Anywhere, which I really believe is the future model of what church is going to look like.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:17 I think churches will continue to operate the way they are. The mega churches are going to get bigger, but I think the smaller churches are going to get smaller and you're going to see more and more of these volunteers pop up and start to lead at the micro level. And so, I hope you've enjoyed this three-week deep dive and as we've talked about the serving, the volunteering, about the leadership and about the discipleship of what's involved here. And so Tyler, man, thanks for your patience going through all of this for three weeks. Jared, man, thanks for jumping on this and I'm excited to see that app. I'm excited to see where Rooted goes and I know that already in the amount of time since I've been exposed to it, I've already been recommending it and passing it on to other pastors and churches that I'm working with and helping to go through these steps. So man, I pray that the ministry there with Rooted and with Mariners and in general continues to go, well. Rey, man, I feel like I see you all the time, so we'll just continue to see each other. That's awesome. No big deal. Hey, but this has been The Church Digital Podcast. Thanks for being here and hope to see you next time.
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      <title>Your Bricks Are Not Your Church</title>
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      <description>I'm stuck.I admit it.I'm told I need to get past this point.Yet I can't.

Let's pause here for a second, and briefly unpack this:Church isn't a building. Church is a people.I agree with, yes. You likely do, as well.
But if we agree with this, why do we struggle with Church Online?Micro-locations?House churches?
Our buildings, our bricks, are a lid.They hold us back.They limit the Gospel spreading.

We've spent like 15 to 20 years figuring out why in the world God would plant the church on the wrong side of town on a dead end street. We realize that's cause it doesn't matter where the church building is because we are the church.
Tyler Samson - The Church Digital Podcast EP018

First Capital has done something unusual.They've moved the Gospel outside their bricks.They're all over Corydon, Indiana.They've discipled their attenders to the point they can BE THE CHURCH in their city.
Volunteers are becomingThe pastors, shepherding,Passionately caring for people.They're beyond consuming content.
Pastor, your building is a lid.Church Online lifts the lid.Discipleship is an opportunity to spread your churchAcross your city.Every Sunday, there are people in your pewsWho, like Church Anywhere, can represent the GospelTo people in your city.Disciple them. Empower them. Release them.Like Church AnywhereYour church can exist outside your buildingCreating expressions of Church.Reaching your city.Just realize,Truly,Your bricks are not your church.</description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:38:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
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      <description>Let's be honest. Today's American church has a problem. It's very easy for us to create "consumers of content"... but God didn't call us to create consumers... He called us to make disciples. However (this is where an introspective, humble heart comes into play) our churches today are great at producing services... experiences... but if we're not careful we get stuck in a rut of consuming that service content (physically and digitally)... Evidently this isn't just an American church thing. This was a problem in biblical times... James 1:22 - Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

Both Church Online, and the larger "Church" can be guilty of losing focus. It's easy to look at our services as the endgame. But what is the end of our church staff's work week should really be the beginning of our church's focus on creating disciples. That's why, for me, movements like Church Anywhere at First Capital Christian is so refreshing.

The Church Anywhere sprouted from online services. We're using technology, but it is not about technology. It's about relationships. - Tyler Samson, The Church Digital Podcast EP017

Technology is the means, not the end. Church services is often the front door; it is never the finish line.
Most Churches today are anti-Church Online because of the idea that Church Online creates consumerism in isolation. Instead, the opposite is possible. Potentially, we're creating new biblical community leading to discipleship-led relationships.
What needs to change? The focus of the Church away from creating content... instead, relationally making disciples who are capable of making disciples. This is where, as discussed in EP017, Church Online shines.</description>
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                    Let's be honest. Today's American church has a problem. It's very easy for us to create "consumers of content"... but God didn't call us to create consumers... He called us to make disciples. However (this is where an introspective, humble heart comes into play) our churches today are great at producing services... experiences... but if we're not careful we get stuck in a rut of consuming that service content (physically and digitally)... Evidently this isn't just an American church thing. This was a problem in biblical times... 
  
  
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                    Both Church Online, and the larger "Church" can be guilty of losing focus. It's easy to look at our services as the endgame. But what is the end of our church staff's work week should really be the beginning of our church's focus on creating disciples. That's why, for me, movements like Church Anywhere at First Capital Christian is so refreshing.
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                    What needs to change? The focus of the Church away from creating content... instead, relationally making disciples who are capable of making disciples. This is where, as discussed in EP017, Church Online shines.
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      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:18:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    Join the podcast as Jeff, Rey, Randy Kirk and Tyler Samson explore using Church Online to physically impact their city in the Podcast Episode "Randy Kirk, Church Anywhere, &amp;amp; Not My Kingdom."
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and it is a pleasure to have you all join me today. We are on Episode 18 and this is a phenomenal episode we've got set up for you. We're in the midst of a little micro series, talking about micro-locations and micro-sites and that's one of many, many puns that are coming in this interview. You've been warned. If you're not familiar with First Capital, it's a small church in a small town in Indiana, who's had a huge success doing micro-sites and micro-locations using church online through their Church Anywhere program. Episode 17 - we talked with some of their volunteers that are basically operating as the leaders, as the campus pastors at some of these locations, reaching as many from 30 to over 300 people a week doing ministry.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:50 And we just heard some awesome stories about how God is moving in a big way through some of these small locations. If you didn't listen to episode 17, you definitely want to take some time to go back and listen to it later. Today, Episode 18, we're going to dive in with Randy Kirk, who's the lead pastor over at First Capital. And honestly, I was a little surprised by Randy a bit. He was on the older side. I mean, I'm not putting a number on that, but he was definitely more experienced in ministry and closer to retirement than not. But looking at him, it made me want to ask some questions. Like, how could someone at this stage of life be on board was such a non-conventional model of ministry, nontraditional model like micro-sites and micro-locations, even the church online and a lot of the things that their Church Anywhere program does. You typically don't see someone on board with somebody who's at that age and stage of life.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:47 So what was that like, Randy, as the lead pastor? How were you able to get on board? How are you able to turn the corner for this? The conversation, by the way, was incredible. Straight up, Randy's a humble guy, transparent. I can honestly tell you I've never heard a pastor say that thing that came out of his mouth publicly like it did here on this broadcast. What specifically that was, you're just going to have to listen to hear that one in real time. So audience, I give you Rey DeArmas, Online Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami. I give you, Tyler Sansom, Engagement Pastor over at First Capital and Randy Kirk, Lead Pastor over at First Capital in a conversation on Church Anywhere that I'm calling, "It's Not My Kingdom." Hey everybody, here you go.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 02:32 So Church Anywhere is a ministry philosophy that was birthed out of our online campus. We started streaming online about three years ago and we noticed that we had some viewers and we decided to look into what it would look like to gather them in physical locations. We started in a county jail and from there it expanded into more prisons and jails and then from there to elementary schools and then nursing homes and even neighborhood. That's been our ministry shift over the last couple of years and I think God has really done some amazing things through that. I'll tell you since the last time we talked that evening, we had two jail services and they had a spontaneous baptism at one of them, which was like the coolest thing ever. Yeah. So we just did that podcast and like a couple hours later my volunteer that leads that campus called me and was like floating out of the jail cause he was so excited.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:34 That's awesome and what I love about this is the church is getting outside of its four walls, is getting involved into the community. It's utilizing some of the content that the church is creating and it's empowering volunteers to be the ministers, to be the pastors, to be the heroes of this story. I wanted to get a little bit into Randy Kirk. By the way, if you want to hear some of those stories in the episode that Tyler was just talking about, it's Episode 17. Check that out. It's the stories of Church Anywhere and those volunteers with it. But on that episode, I said I wanted to start off by asking Randy a question. This is a loaded one. Randy gear up for this. It's coming. So Randy, and let me set the stage because I'm looking at Randy on video, but podcast listeners may not be. Randy, you're on the older side of life and I don't want to offend because I don't want you to come after me, you know, all the way from Indiana down to Miami.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:38 But he's closer to the retirement age than not with that. And so obviously some of the things that Tyler's doing and that Church Anywhere is doing, it's really stretching the norms of established church. You know, like, Hey, we want to do church outside in 16 locations. Normally like churches, this idea of in today 2019 churches, come to this big building. It's more attractional. It's if you build it, they will come type of thing. Let's set up these church or let's set up these micro or these multisite locations around and get people to come to it. What you've done is you kind of turns it on its ear and now you're pushing people out of your building into the community to do church where the community is. So when Tyler cast that vision to you for the first time, I just got to know what was your response? What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard about this?
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 05:43 First of all, I'm old, so I'm not held responsible for anything that happened three years ago.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 07:24 Yeah. And with that we are located in the actual worst location you could possibly be located for a church. We are in a neighborhood that's like we're the only thing nonresidential on our street and it's a dead end street on the wrong side of town, but there's no drive by traffic. You can't even see us. And we're also connected to the high school parking lot. So like nobody knows where we're at even in town, really. The big thing for us online that we noticed was even people within our own city limits were like, man, I didn't know there was a church that did the things that we do in our own town. And so they started to coming just because they didn't even know we were here before that.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 08:07 So now picture that, I don't know if you can even picture this, but we're on the back end of a dead end street on the wrong side of town in a small town and you can't find us. When I first came here 16 years ago, my first slogan was, you'd like us if you can find us. Because you can't find us. And people didn't know we existed. And again, our parking lot backs up to the high school, but it's a half a mile from the high school entrance to our parking lot because you've got to go all the way around to get there. And so we have this unique location that we've turned into a positive and the only way people are going to find us is if we tell them and bring them with us. And so we created a culture where it's bring with not invite too.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 09:47 Well that would've been about a year and a half ago. Actually, I brought that to you shortly after we started online. And it was a lot of conversation. Two years ago I put one micro site in the budget. I will never get this. That was literally the first thing that our elders cut from the budget for the year. They always go through a final check and they're like, what can we cut to cut this down a little bit? Number one was micro sites cause like nobody understood it at that point. Like, I mean go back two and a half years, like nobody's doing micro sites. This is still a fresh thing. So it's not like there was a lot of churches we could model these after or people would have heard of them or anything. So they cut that first thing. So we really didn't get to try our first one until about a year and a half ago.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:40 Well, I'm going to throw a number at you. You've got 16 of these locations scattered around Corydon and surrounding areas, right? You've got a prison ministry in a couple areas, and Tyler, just to summarize 4-5 prison ministries that are happening in area prisons. Hospitals, schools, homes, Rehab Centers for Huntington's, which is by far my favorite story. Huntington's disease, that's by far my favorite story of all of them. What this does is it encourages people to get out of the building. Maybe the best place for them to be any given Sunday is not sitting in a pew watching your service in your building on the wrong side of town, but instead doing ministry out in the community and being the pastor, being the campus pastor, being the representative, being the person that God called them to be right now. And you know, Tyler, you had this conversation, you guys have been on this road two or three years, like churches struggle with that today. There are many conversations that I've had where pastors, Randy, they struggle, like they're not ready to let people go out of the building. Did you struggle with that? Was your DNA already wired to go outside? Like I want to dig in a little bit to you here. How does it feel to shove people out the door?
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 12:18 Jeff, you needed a little bit about who I am very quickly. My background is I was a college basketball coach and so for 20 years I coached and all I do today is I coach a Church instead of coaching a basketball team. But everything I know about church I learned in a gymnasium. And so with that, what you do, the first thing you do is you recruit people that have the potential to be all Americans. If you don't recruit talent, you're never going to be good and so we recruited talent and Tyler is one of those all Americans.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 13:06 We could spend 10 minutes talking about the story of how I found Tyler and how he ended up here initially with us. That's a great story, but I'm going to skip past that. But what we've done is we've put together a staff that then are all Americans or potential all Americans. And then how do you make those all Americans into a team? Because a team is better than the sum of its parts. But a part of that is you trust them and you turn them loose. You don't buy a stallion, if you're in Kentucky, you don't buy a thoroughbred and put him in a stable and expect him to be what you want him to be. You've got to let him get out and run and you got to let him run. Well, what we did is we recognized that in Tyler, we had an extremely gifted and extremely good outside the box thinker and we just turned him loose. Now that doesn't mean that was carte blanche and that we never had conversations because we had some really hard conversation. We still have hard conversations, but it is, don't recruit your staff unless you going to turn them loose to do what you've recruited them to do. And so we have created this. Again, it's just good coaching.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:30 Talk to me about this because and I understand like the staff is one piece. One of the things that I see a lot of or that I hear a lot of with pastors is they have to be in the people, the audience, the church has to be together, the Ekklesia, the church body has to be in the Worship Center worshiping together. So that's where, when I have these conversations about the micro locations and getting out there, like the pastor struggles with the theology of, no, we need to be gathering together. They need to be part of this larger thing. And not necessarily, I don't know if it's they don't trust the people to be the ministers. They don't feel like they've equipped them well enough. Honestly, I don't know what the struggle is. I'm just curious, like were there struggles for you because you're a lead pastor, you've been doing this for a while coming into this, and so like, did you struggle with this different way of thinking or was it natural for you?
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 15:38 One of the things Tyler and I have in common is we're both outside the box thinkers, so that makes it easier for us. But one of the pieces that we have discovered, I'm gonna walk you through another piece that leads to a philosophy. Back when I was a boy, that was before you all were even thought of. But back when I was a kid in the 50s, in the 60s, the model was that you had a revival or a crusade and people came to Jesus and then out of that revival or crusade, they came to church where they identified a cause or a place where they would plug in and serve in the church. And that's the way it was. They became, it was this revival or crusade that led them to the church that led them.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 16:30 Then along came this little church called Willow Creek. And in the late 80s, early 90s, everything shifted. And it became about the church. And you became this attractional model of church where you brought people to church because they liked whether you were doing church and that's where they met Christ. So before they had met Christ then came to church, now they've come to church and they made Christ and then they find a place to use their giftedness and plug in. But along about 2010 there was another shift that's taken place and it took place outside the church rather than in the church. And that is you've raised up a generation that are looking for a cause. They're looking for a cause, a place to plug in, a place to serve, a place to make a difference. And so we use cause in order to bring people to the church to bring them to Christ.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 17:33 But sometimes in the cause they come to Christ. That's what happened Tuesday night we were out in the cause and people found Christ and they come to church. But it is understanding that our generation is, everybody's looking for place where they can use their giftedness and their passion and what we want to do is help people identify their passion and purpose and give them the opportunity to explore that and use that. Several years ago we began tracking not baptisms, we've tracked baptisms all the way through. We started tracking baptizers. Wow. How many baptizers do we have? They are responsible not to bring them to the baptistry. Baptistry is just an entry point. Their job is to take them on and mentor them beyond that. And so we track baptizers and we will have about 90% of our baptisms, about 90% of them will have a different baptizer and which is pretty cool. And our staff rarely is in the water anymore. I mean, you know, we are, it's not like we aren't leading people to Christ too, but compared to most churches, does that all make sense?
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 19:00 I'll add onto that. With that shift from like big, if you build it, they will come to let's find a cause and use that to bring people to the kingdom. It has, Randy said it a couple of years ago and it stuck with me since then. We've spent like 15 to 20 years figuring out why in the world God would plant the church on the wrong side of town on a dead end street. We realize that's cause it doesn't matter where the church building is because we are the church. And so like the walls don't necessarily matter as much as long as we're empowering people to go follow these passions and these causes. That kind of gave us our answer. It was a strange way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 19:43 One of the things that came up in the last episode, Episode 17, talking with your volunteers was the passion that your church has to love on the community? Like I can remember Cindy, going on and on about how that's just wired into who the church is. Did that happen overnight? Obviously it didn't happen overnight, but tell me about that genesis of how, you know, a lot of times churches talk about loving the community and loving the community means passing out a bottle of water or doing yard work for a church or something like that or for a school, not to downplay those acts of service, but what you're doing is forming discipleship relationships with people in the community for the purpose of making disciples and leading them to Jesus and that's a big shift that some churches struggle with today. How did that happen for First Capital?
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 20:51 I wish that we could take credit for that, but that predates our coming. The congregation was founded in November of 1990 and it's the first pastor was Drew Ashwell and Drew was a really, really young guy, 22 years old when he started pastoring here in this new church. And Drew brought in this relational piece. I believe that anytime that a guy is the lead guy for five years or more, he leaves a mark on the church's DNA, good or bad, he's going to leave a mark. The mark that Drew left was relationship and this welcoming everybody, God loves everybody and so do we kind of idea. He didn't market it that way. He didn't language it that way, but that was what was was here. And so from the get go they had this, we had the advantage of being a church that already had that here. All we had to do was build on it. All we had to do is play to it or just tell him sic 'em because they were there. Drew left that with us. The guy that followed Drew taught them about worship and that was the mark that he's left on our DNA. And then I'm the third pastor in the history of the church and I've just got to build on what they've already done.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:24 That's awesome. What are some ways and we're talking about this like discipleship, rich relationship, empowering the attenders of your church, the people involved in your church, the volunteers to be the hero of ministry, the Baptizers, the spontaneous baptisms, the campus pastor of these micro locations. I'm just curious, what are some other ways, maybe less technological, more physical where it's let this discipleship rich volunteer is able to thrive and lead in your church? What does that look like in a physical sense, less virtual or digital?
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 23:10 In the the last six years, our shepherd's group, which is our elders.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 23:23 All of those are volunteer, but me. I'm the only one that is a shepherd that is on our staff. And I'm old enough to be one, but that room has turned over in the last six years. There's only one other than me that continued to serve the room. So what they have done is they have raised up men to take their place. Jim Collins says that in Good to Great that you get the right people on the bus and you get the right people in the right seat on the bus. But then he comes along about eight years later and he says, but then you have to recognize when I am the right person in the right seat on the bus, that I have to be ready to give up my seat even though it's the right seat fot me for the next guy and I have to be willing to give up my seat on the bus for the next guy. So we are right now, we're talking succession plan for me and I have to be willing to give up the seat that I love and the seat that I could rightly call my seat. But it's not my seat, it's just the seat that I have been given the privilege to occupy and it's not about me. And so I went to the leaders a couple of days ago and we're talking about a succession plan and we have some names in mind that could be viable. And I said, what if we hired two of those? And I step aside. I just think it's appropriate that we consider that if we get guys, if we'd find two all Americans and they can take us places that we need to go, I don't need to get in the way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:17 Yeah. Just transparently. I can't believe you just said that on a podcast. I'm not saying listening audience all over 43 states, 20 countries, I don't know. But like, so this is amazing to me because of of your humility and transparency in this. I don't see, forgive me, I don't want to speak bad of the pastors I work with. But that right there, like, that's not something that transparency humility of, hey, you know what? Jim Collins, I may need to give up my seat. And by the way, if we can get better people to do this, let's look and have those conversations like that's healthy in the long stretch organizationally. Just out of respect for you, sir, like it takes a chunk out of you to be able to step aside and say, hey, you know, God must be glorified, I'm not.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 26:23 It's two pieces. The first is it's not my kingdom it's his kingdom. It's not my kingdom. It never has been. It's never been about me. And number two is we work with the homeless ministry that I can plug right into.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 26:44 That's one of the Church Anywhere sites. So to go back to your initial question about how do we empower volunteers. I would say a vast majority of our staff would have a similar answer to Randy. I have a tattoo on my arm that says not the Kingdom of Tyler. It's a constant reminder. And we were intentional about bringing people on staff that like, I don't want to just talk the talk, I want to walk the walk as well. So I'm okay if I don't get the glory for ministry being done. If that means that someone like a Brad Reed from the last podcast gets to fulfill his potential. That dude was only baptized two years ago. Before that he was living in an apartment that he couldn't even pay for the electricity because he was so on drugs and things like that. So in two years, God has taken him from that to leading a Church Anywhere site of 300 prisoners. I mean I'm okay with that if that means that he gets to further the kingdom and I think that's really important to this whole thing is that you have to have that sense of humility of it's not about you anymore. And people will follow that. We can empower people if you live that life they will want to follow and they want to do it as well.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 31:54 I will say this, I would say about 15% or so of our volunteers are not from First Capital. So we have several other churches that we've, like we don't want this to be an only First Capital thing. This is a kingdom thing, Church Anywhere.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 32:21 Yeah. Well it just goes back to the tattoo on my arm for me. It's really not my kingdom. I have never sought to make the name First Capitol famous, but to make the capital C church, the Kingdom famous. I know that there's a thriving jail ministry, a community of people that like to do jail ministry, so why would we not tap into those people? We're already going in jail every single week and these people love prisoners. So of course we want them to come along. We found out there's a homeless ministry and they already provide a meal for people every Sunday, so why not do church and the meal? So now, like we don't send hardly any volunteers there. They have recruited all their own volunteers to do church and we just provide the material, and so on. And if you can get past yourself a little bit, God makes some pretty amazing and big things happen, which has been really fun to watch.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 33:37 Both. You have some that value it and appreciate it and you have others.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 33:45 I lead another thing that's completely different from this. It's large churches in small towns. We meet together and talk about the unique challenges of being the large church in a small town. And with that, one of the things that you learn very rapidly is when your church starts, becomes the large church in town. The other churches resent you. There's a resentment that can build up because you are having success that they are not having. And we faced some of that and that's just reality. You just can't focus on that. And yet those that want to partner with us, then they're welcome. And those that want to learn from us, we want to share that it. This isn't, we're not looking at copywriting material and charging you to go there.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 34:47 This is, it's not ours. It's God's. All we want to do is I'm going to stand before him someday and I want to hear, well done, good and faithful servant. That's all. Good and faithful. That's all. And it's not measured on how many we did or what numbers we did. It was were you good and were you faithful? That's what I want to be. And that's how we want to be. And it's not rocket science. It's as long as you understand that it's His, then we do what we can with what we got.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 35:24 So with that, when somebody wants to give their life to Christ and be baptized on our online campus, we have absolutely no problem saying, man, that's awesome. Let's connect you with a local church where you're at and we'll hand you over to a physical body of people. We have no problem with that whatsoever.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 36:15 I don't know the end. I really don't know the end of where this ends. I know the things we wrestle with. I know the challenges that we are concerned about. We are concerned about engagement and we believe that, Carey Nieuwhof has said, Internet's not going away. We know that that's where the world's going. You can either set back and take shots at, well, these people aren't in a body and all that and do nothing. And they're going to be on the Internet anyway, whether you want to be or not. So we have to figure out what engagement looks like and how do we enhance engagement. And so Tyler and Jared, another guy on our staff have started a Rooted experience online.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 38:15 Okay. I don't know cause I think the finish line is moving. I think it moves. But here's what I do know and that is that there are people that are lost that don't even realize they're lost. And there are people missing out and they don't even realize what they're missing out on. And there are people that are needy and we have what they need. And I can't wait till I've got it all figured out before I go to those people. I go to them with what I've got and I say, let's figure it out together. And the line is moving. And so we're already at places that I didn't see us going when Tyler came and said, let's do something, let's do our services online. We already have moved.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 39:30 Jeff, to answer it and that is all I know is if this is the tool that I have available to connect to people who need what we have found, then I use the tool. And that's what happened when we started with the organ in the 1500s. The organ was the tool that brought people to the assembly because that's the only place you could hear an organ and take advantage of it. That's great. Well, we have a new tool and we just want to use the tool and how can we maximize that? So we have a really creative team but the one thing they have in common is they all love Jesus a whole lot and they want people to have what they have found. So we're just going to turn this team loose and I'm going to try to stay out of the way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 40:30 That was awesome. I literally don't even know what to say, I will utilize Church Online is the new church organ analogy for years. You know, Tyler's got his little tattoo there. I have a running joke on this podcast that whenever there's a mic drop, whenever there is a cool quote, is that tattoo worthy and will I put Randy Kirk's name on my body? That right there may actually make the cut. my wife won't let it happen and is listening to this. Don't worry, it's not ever going to happen, but my gosh, that was like, I may be tearing up here just thinking about that. This has been a great podcast. I want to thank you for this. I know lead pastors are busy and just your transparency and openness in this conversation has been encouraging for me. It's been encouraging for the listeners out there. Rey was on us and I don't know if the listening audience noticed he just disappeared, where he was broadcasting from lost internet and so he was just out of luck. He will listen in and I'm sure enjoy this as much as I did, but as we're landing the plane here, wrapping up. Tyler, Randy, 20-30 seconds, any closing thoughts, anything to add at this point?
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 42:01 Just on the talking to lead pastors, you had ask me that question last podcast and I didn't have a good answer, but, yesterday we had a pretty real crisis in the morning with a person that watches us online, in an online small group that had sent a really serious emergency text to the church. And so for a lead pastor that thinks online viewers are not people or not like they can't see them, so they're not actually there. We had to deal with a very real problem with a very real person yesterday that I only know because of the online campus. I've never met her but I know her because I'm her pastor. And so we were the first people that she came to and because she came to us, we were able to get her the help that she needed in a crisis, a very real emergency.
  
  
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  Randy Kirk: 43:20 He tracks her, which we couldn't do, but he can because he's got the stuff to do that. He gets then an EMT to her in time to save her life.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 43:33 All while, Donnie, who is the other pastor on staff that helps a lot with Church Anywhere. The one I mentioned yesterday with the jails, or Tuesday, he's talking to her on the phone until the paramedics get there. So it was a team effort, but all because she is an online campus viewer. Right. That's it. If you're a senior pastor and you hear stories like that, I want them to know these are real people that have real problems that they may have a legitimate reason not to come to church. They may not. But what does it matter if you're bringing them to the kingdom?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 44:06 That's a, okay, so I've had a conversation with a pastor, I'm not dropping names, he's not listening to this podcast, but at the end of the day, I've told him a story, not a life threatening story, but a story like that and that pastor would say, yeah, that person online is not my responsibility. I mean, literally in this situation you've, it like you've saved a life and were part of not a virtual salvation, but a physical, this person is still alive today as a result of you guys being a church in a virtual space and connecting with people who aren't just sitting in a pew in your building.
  
  
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  Tyler Sansom: 44:52 And I'll tell you this on that though, with this online small group that she's in, we now have a couple from West Virginia who want to drive up to where she's at to visit her because they're in an online small group together. That's like a five hour drive.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 45:10 They want to visit. The relationship is so tight through talking through Zoom for the online. So talking through a webcam, using zoom software, the relationship is so tight, these people are willing to drive five hours to come and check and to be with this person in her time of need. My gosh, like if that's not the church, I don't know what is so to you guys and what you've done with embracing this church online model, with running with it, as a small church, you know, an 800, sorry, I'm using numbers again. It's big church, small town that majority of churches out there's 365,000 evangelical churches in America today, maybe 10,000 to 15,000 are broadcasting any given Sunday. So you're embracing of this technology is rare, especially with smaller sized churches and you're seeing results from it and you're using it for discipleship. You're growing your base not just to consume content, but to actually live out the disciple making disciple model that God's called us to. And so if I was wearing a hat, I'd say hats off, but I can tell you I respect and I honor what you guys are doing and have done in the virtual space by making disciples who are making disciples. And so thank you for doing that and modeling what honestly what I would call a good solid biblical model of what the Church should be in 2019.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 46:57 It may take some editing, we'll see where we get to. But you don't need my help a lot for that. I'm going to keep that in and I'm going to keep this in. You guys have done, I want to encourage you, you have done a phenomenal job and the things that you're wrestling with, the way that you're marching forward with doing this, realizing, Hey God is going to say yes, it may make sense but God is being glorified through it so why would I stop? God's bigger than my problems. Thank you. My prayer, literally, my prayer is that people listening to this, that there are going to be church staff, there's going to be online pastors, there's going to be volunteers listening to this saying, my church needs to do this and they're going to forward this podcast on to their lead pastor and hopefully that lead pastor is encouraged to realize, hey, there are opportunities here to utilize technology to get people out of the building, to get people into the community where they can love, disciple, and grow people closer to God and that God can be glorified through the efforts of what's happening. Technology is not the abandonment of community, it's the birthing of new communities, which is what we're literally seeing through your Church Anywhere Program. If you can inspire one church through this, it's a win and I'm telling you, many will be inspired by what's happened here and we're not even done. We're going to come back with Jared and some guys talking about your online discipleship cause I really want to talk about how that is fostered and grows cause that's a big deal in creating a disciple who is capable of training other disciples and so I really want to explore that, which is what's coming up here in the next episode. Gentlemen, this has been phenomenal, for Tyler, for Randy, for Rey who was here for a little while and disappeared. My name is Jeff, with The Church Digital Podcast, I'm looking forward to next time. See you then.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey, welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff and we've got a great episode coming up. Well actually, truthfully, we're going to have a great series of episodes coming up cause we're going to spend three weeks in a row doing a deep dive in the first capitol Christian Church of Corydon, Indiana. Chances are you probably never heard of Corydon, Indiana, maybe First Capitol Christian Church. If you remember, we talked with Tyler Samson back in episode four of The Church Digital Podcast. It's actually one of the first episodes that we launched with, and he's a church that he's doing small church, but he's doing this great ministry of doing Church Online, online discipleship, but utilizing the online services to birth physical locations. And so what I wanted to do here with this and what we got with with the last episode is, Hey, we learned about how church anywhere works and what it's like to birth these locations, but I want to hear the stories.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:53 I want to actually talk to the people who are at these micro locations, who's doing this ministry. And so we've got Brad Reed coming on the podcast who's no relation, although it's a great last name. His dad's actually Jeff Reed and so there's some off-air jokes like "I'm your Daddy", but we just cut that out of the broadcast. So we've got Brad Reed and we've got Cindy Timmons, who are both volunteers who coordinate the ministry at these micro locations. They're essentially campus pastors at these respective micro locations. And they are going to tell some phenomenal stories about how God is moving in the small, how God is doing some awesome things through a small church, creating small locations and it's funny, there's these really powerful moments, especially at the end where we, well, you know what, I don't want to get there. I'm going to let them get there. So here you go. Here are some phenomenal stories from church anywhere.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:47 All right. Hey, so we're at The Church Digital Podcast and I'm excited about this interview because I've got real live people that are doing ministry through Church online here and we're going to tell some stories, which by far is the favorite thing that I get to do here at the podcast. And so I've got Cindy Timmons, Tyler Samson and Brad Reed, all from First Capitol Christian Church in Indiana, Church Anywhere. We've talked about them before. Tyler, by the way, he's been on the podcast before. He was one of the first podcasts we've had. By the way, Tyler, you don't know this, but you are the most, at the time of this recording, you are the most listened podcast through The Church Digital Podcast.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:30 Yeah, just basically reload, reload, reload, reload. Every device you have has listened to this podcast at one time or another.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:39 That's awesome. Hey, so before we get into the other's, Tyler, just take a moment, tell me a little bit about, let's say somebody hasn't listened to episode four where they talked all about First Capitol Christian, 30 seconds, tell me the story of the church.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 02:54 Yeah, so the church is about 800 people in a town of roughly 3000 or so. We are on the outskirts of Louisville, Kentucky, about 30 minutes from Louisville, real small town. That's a unique situation in itself. About three years ago I started doing an online campus and from there we decided to do an online to an offline model. So we take the same kind of technology we use an online campus and we'd go in and use that as a worship experience within a physical location. So that can be at home, it can be a nursing home, a jail, schools, really, it's endless possibilities where that can be.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:38 That's awesome. I'm going to dive a lot into that online to offline and kind of the micro location, but I just want to make something clear because you've lost it over. So you've got about 800 people physically involved in the ministry of the church. That's including what I would call the broadcast center, the main campus, as well as, the micro locations, the multisite campuses.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 03:58 No, that's 800 on the broadcast location.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 04:03 Yeah, and it's somewhere around like 450 a week everywhere else. Not including online, that's just physical bodies.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:16 So you're in a town of 3000 and you've got over 1000 actively involved physically either at the main campus or in the physical locations, the micro locations that are around?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:31 That's a phenomenal ratio. What do you attribute to, I mean, okay, Holy Spirit, God, I understand that and I don't want to downplay the Spirit of God moving among His people at the church, but like what are some things that you've done to maybe bring some attention to that or how has that happened kind of up there at First Capital Christian?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 04:56 Oh Man. You guys can chime in.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 04:59 Yeah. They've all been here as long as I have.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 05:06 I think a large part of it is because Harrison and Crawford County's are both very underprivileged counties. There are low income areas that have a lot of poverty and outreach needs. And it was a niche that when we started filling it word spread quickly and everybody wanted to get involved and help and the community just embraced. They did, they just opened their arms to us and let us in. It wasn't a battle.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 05:36 Yeah. I'll just say a quick story about that. About four or five years ago, there's a really impoverished school system called Heath Washington where it's like 87% of the families are on free lunch, free breakfast, that kind of thing. We found out that they had no shoes, no Christmas gifts, nothing. But we found this out on like a Sunday morning and so our senior Pastor, basically, just got up without asking all of us and said, hey, why don't we take up an extra offering and see if we can get enough to like get these kids some Christmas presents? Our people like, that's the where we live. Like a lot of our people are under the poverty line, but we gave our normal offering plus enough that Sunday to get every kid a new pair of shoes, a new sweatshirt, pair of pants, and a Christmas present, every kid in the entire school. So that's just the type of, I don't know, it's different than any church I've ever been to. Like every church says they're really loving. We truly are already super loving a church. You can't walk in here and not feel loved.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:45 Okay. So that loving culture, that environment, that DNA you create, that not only exists within the physical campus there, your broadcast campus, there were with First Capital, but I mean the way that it sounds like with Church Anywhere, it's literally overflowing out of the online campus creating some of these new environments, right. These new campus locations. And so with Cindy and with Brad, the reason I wanted to bring them on the podcast to be part of this story is because they're leading some of these physical locations, these, you know, micro locations, these micro campuses, whatever the label your church wants to call them or what the church calls them today, they're leading the small locations that are meeting within the city up there in Indiana. Is that correct? Is that the main gist?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 07:38 Yeah, not every one on them is with a city. So Cindy's is in our city, it's not super far from the church. Brad's is like far away in a different time zone.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 07:56 We go closest to Tell City, like you said, about 45 minutes to an hour drive. It's time travel. We get to a different time zone on our way there every Tuesday. It's still small town feel, but it's a good little drive. We take the bus, we gather everybody together and we all ride down together.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 08:23 Yeah. So our volunteers for that location literally have to, it'd be basically an hour drive there, an hour service and an hour drive back, except you lose an hour on the way back. So it's like a four hour time commitment every Tuesday that they're willing to do that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:41 They're busing back and forth every Tuesday to lead a service down. That's great. Now tell me about the service. Tell me about the people you're ministering to. What does that look like? They're in Tell City?
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 08:54 Well, it's the Branchville Correctional Facility. It's a prison, a level two. I mean it's hard to get in the door. We have to take our shoes, our belt off. It's like going to the airport and every time we go in and out and a guard has to let us in. There's a chapel on campus, a small building where we get to go have a worship service and a big projector screen comes out of the ceiling and we show our service on the projector. And on an average we might get 25 inmates on a regular Tuesday, but we, once a month, we opened it up to the whole campus and sometimes we can get the 250 to 300 number show up for that particular service. So we do get to do two different kinds of things there.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 09:43 Okay. So why is it once a month it's opened up to everybody? Like what's the difference there just operationally?
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 09:51 When it first started, at Branchville they have six different dorms and each dorm is kind of catered to a different type of guy. You know, you've got your real rowdy criminals and then you got your good behavior guys, and then you've got work in different programs and educational type things. So when we first started going, we just got the one dorm, one small good behavior dorm. And when the guys get out of that dorm and moved to different dorms, they were complaining and telling, you know, the chapel at the facility that they really miss the Church Anywhere service that when they got moved out, they were upset that they couldn't keep coming. So they opened it up once a month, it's available to everybody, and they have to sign up for it and they have to get okay. Like they're not just going to let any guy come, you know, they sign up for a reason and they check the list to make sure we're not going to have a problem or anything. So the one once a month service can get pretty big. We get the gymnasium and it's a loud rowdy group. I mean it's a big group of guys.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 11:05 Yeah with that, it would be nearly impossible with the current staffing at the prison to do that every week. Like there's been multiple times where we've had to kick out like 30 plus gang members that are trying to have a gang meeting during church or something like that. So anytime you open up an entire prison to come into one area people will take advantage of it to use it for their own agenda. But like a vast majority of those services have gone exceptionally smooth. If there's 300 guys there, 250 of them are there for the reason that you want them to be there for.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:39 That's awesome. So now, Cindy, you lead one as well and you lead it there in Corydon, in the main city. So Brad's at different town doing prison ministry. Tell me a little bit about what your Church Anywhere looks like.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 11:59 We are at a local nursing home. I think we have three or four nursing homes that we do Church Anywhere.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 12:07 But I am at one that is a Huntington's disease unit. So there are a lot of different challenges there because Huntington's is something in this country that there are very few nursing homes that can have those individuals as residents and they have different disabilities as far as some can't speak, some are bed bound, some are wheelchair bound, some walk. Each person is a different individual that you have to learn how to communicate and work with while you're there.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 12:46 Wow. So Tyler, I know Tyler, we talked about this in the last, when you were on an episode four and just my heart went out even at this idea of, so you're doing a church service in a Huntington's, a Rehab Center, right? Like this is where they're recovering for it. So I know about this much of Huntington's, what's the prognosis for somebody like this?
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 13:14 It is a terminal illness that at some point will take their life. We have actually had two residents that we led to Christ that passed away shortly thereafter. And it was amazing getting to know the families along that process because they then became involved with us and got to know us. One of our individuals actually helped at the funeral, which led our pastor to leading that service and just bonding with the families involved when that happens.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 13:48 So get this, the guy that, one of those people that were led to Christ, the guy that led him to Christ had never made that decision himself. So he loved the idea of going out and helping people and going out beyond the church walls. He had been to church for awhile. He'd never made that decision for himself, but he led this guy at a Church Anywhere location to Christ. And then through that, after the guy passed away, one of our pastors ended up doing the service and the person's family was like, hey, have you ever heard about this thing called Church Anywhere? That's how the guy got led to Christ and Donnie's like, yeah, that's where I work. It's bizarre.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:30 Really Weird. But what I love about both of your stories is you've got Brad reaching into a prison system. You've got Cindy reaching into Huntington's. I mean Rehab, whatever, that is where people are looking at. I mean, this is the downside of society. They're struggling with a fatal disease, they're locked up and they're separated from and there's a lot of darkness and bleakness in there. And what I love about First Capital, is their desire here to take the Gospel, to take church to these people, not making them come in, but being very missional in going out and so Cindy, you talked about leading some to Christ and a couple right before they died, being part of that, man, I'd love to hear another story. Tell me somebody that's gone through something like that, a life change type of scenario.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 15:38 Well, we see that almost weekly, but I think that thing that moves us the most. We invited Tyler to one of our services and I think he was even stunned because you have to remember that some of these individuals can't talk. A lot of them can't walk, but in the middle of a service, when we're doing praise and worship, we have individuals standing up, hands in the air, praising the Lord and thanking him and singing to him. So the impact, you know, they're not the ones being blessed by this, we are.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 16:12 Tell them how they stand up though. That's the powerful part of this.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 16:18 They really don't, they stand up and one of us are always behind them or next to him, holding them up and holding onto them and praising the Lord with them because they don't have the ability to stand up on their own because they're wobbly with their hands in the air singing his name.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 16:35 Yeah. It made me super emotional when I saw it for the first time because this idea of I'm watching these people who have taken this medium of technology, which who would've thought 15 years ago we'd be able to lead someone to Christ through a video. I'm watching this person who's going to eventually have a new body through Christ, but it's like this is only temporary. I'm going to have to hold you up for a little bit, but one day we get a stand beside each other and we get to worship in face to face. So powerful, just unbelievably powerful.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 17:36 Well, for the guys coming for the very first time, they are a little standoffish. They do want to sit in the back row with their arms crossed and just sorta feel us out, you know, and see, you know what, they're not opening up right away. But that being said, you come two or three times and you'll see these guys crying. I mean, they're ready to share. After the service, we break into small groups and maybe three, four or five guys and a volunteer, sit in a circle and just discuss the service or discuss their life or what they're going through. And some of these guys really do get to open up. And I've heard them say, a handful of guys say they really enjoy our church service the most because we do that because we're there to sit beside them and talk with them.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 18:26 And we're not just coming in, shaking the Bible Adam and tell them they need to straighten up or go to hell. You know, we're there too. Every service, I tell them, you're now a member of First Capital Church. We want you to come to our church. We don't ask them what they're in there for, that's not why we're there. We're there to talk about Jesus. We're there to show them a new way, you know, give them that new hope and these guys, I have several relationships through Facebook with guys who have gotten out of jail, gotten out of prison and still contact us as they're going through their own transition into a new life and we continue contact.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 19:06 We have a couple of them now that come every week to our main location that have gotten out of Branchville that were at Church Anywhere and they got out of prison and now they come physically to First Capital.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 19:16 Absolutely, one Tuesday night we were there and a guy came and asked me about Corydon and he actually moved to a halfway house in town and the very next week I seen him at church. Here he was. And I didn't recognize him because he was wearing, you know, regular clothes and all dress up and I was like, didn't we, don't I know you. And it was like church anywhere, you know. And it's really an amazing thing to, he served communion a couple of weeks ago here at our church. I mean to see a guy walk out of prison and be a member of what we got going on here. It's pretty cool.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 19:55 You know, what I love about this is these are just two different expressions of physical, really three different expressions where you've got a physical church building traditional in its ministry model. People gathering together, coming to a service on Sunday, but they've done something, nontraditional, something abstract of broadcasting their services online. And everybody's doing that. Or more and more people are doing that, probably set it a little more accurate. But what First Capital has done is they've taken the next step to start to create physical communities out of that. And you know, what we learned last week, Cindy, or the last time we talked in episode four about this, where there was actually a nurse who was the one who started that and kind of like capitalize that. And Tyler said, tell me a little bit, I love that story so much, I want to hear it again. Like how did it actually start there in the Hotchkin's Rehab?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 20:54 I was monitoring the, I think Facebook live feed or might've been Chop, one of the two. Our online care team member was like, hey, check out this message we just got sent to us. And it was a picture of the Rehab Center and there was like 17 people gathered around the iPad watching the service. And I was like, what is going on here? And so I messaged the person back and it turns out that she had, I personally know her from church, but she hadn't been to church in a long time. And it turns out she had been scheduled to work like every Sunday. So she started on her lunch break requesting that time for a lunch break so she could tune in.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 21:35 And more and more people were like, I'd like to watch that with you. And so I approached Cindy because she recently became retired and at the time she was going through a program to become a chaplain and so I was like this would be the perfect person to get on board with leading one of these Church Anywhere spots. And so I approached her and I thought it was a nursing home. We had no idea it was a place for Huntington's disease. She was on board to start a nursing home site and then we found out it was Huntington's disease and we just kind of went from there.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 22:10 They had me from the first day.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 22:11 Oh my gosh. You talk about love, like our congregation shows love, but the people at that place love you like nobody else, man. It's awesome.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 22:19 Every week I get hugs and told I love you and when are you coming back? And it's funny because we still have employees that work there that will come in and sit down with us while we're doing the broadcast and doing the praise and worship because they want to be there. We do communion after the service. We pray with each individual that needs prayer. We've prayed with the nurses over there. Anyone that wants to be a part of it. We've had a couple of them have family members there that joined in when they came in just because they can see the Lord in the room. So they wanted to be a part of it.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 22:55 Cindy and her husband Mike have gone way over the top awesome with this. At Christmas last year, they did the normal service and then they had one of the people on our creative arts team that's an actor, super, super talented actor come in and be Santa Claus and got every single person at the place a Christmas gift. And it was like the best Christmas ever. It was amazing.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 23:18 It's like, if you can imagine, Huntington's patients, most of them are still pretty sharp. They understand what's going on and they communicate to the best of their ability. But when Santa walked in that room, it was like they were five year old kids. They were just thrilled hugging on him, loving on him, excited. It made their day. They absolutely loved it. We heard about it every week for weeks.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 23:45 I guess what I would say with that is, and Brad you can absolutely attest to this, that like the platform we are using is this online model. The Church Anywhere sprouted from online services. We're using technology, but it is not about technology. It's about relationships 100%. Even even online. I can give an example of a guy named Simon from the UK. He lives in a town that just doesn't have a modern style of worship, anywhere in his town. It's very liturgical. Lots of Catholic churches. Each week we meet on a zoom call, much like this, just to hang out and talk about Jesus because he watches us online each week. So like for me the relationship side of that, even with an online person is so much more powerful than the technology piece. And I say Brad cause you get like a million stories of the relationship part of it.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 24:36 That's what ours is. Like I said the first time we go they're very standoffish, but the very next Tuesday we come in and they're hugging us. They're so happy to see us again. And just they can't wait to see what we're going to do next. And I have to, before I forget, Cindy was talking about Christmas and bringing Santa and bringing things into a prison on Christmas is a little more difficult. But we were able to bring cookies and milk and that's the only time we got to do communion in the prison. To bring, you know, cause we can't very well bring food and drink in there very easily. And that service, like you said, weeks and weeks and weeks later. I still over hear guys talking to the guys saying, "Yeah man, one time they brought in milk." And in prison you get powdered milk, so we brought in like a cold gallon of milk and those guys were just, you know, weeping over milk. That's not an exaggeration. And talking about the relationships the guy I speak to on Facebook very often. I can't mention Church Anywhere without him "Love you guys. Love you guys. Can't wait to see you guys." I mean he's, you know, obviously when you get out of prison you got a little bit obligation and stuff, you know, parole to take care of. So he can't very well just hop in his car and come down. I think he's over an hour away. He can't just come see us anytime he wants, but he's like counting the days to when he can come to court and to be a part of an actual First Capital service. They see it on the screen. They can't wait to come see what it looks like in real life. I can't wait to watch him walk through the door one time. I love that thought and it just gets me.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 26:20 Talk to me about how you get the volunteers like pitching, casting vision to the volunteers. What your volunteers look like any given week as you're reproducing these church services and doing ministry? Like what's that process?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 26:35 Typically by force. That's actually why I work out. I intimidate them and then they just volunteer.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 26:45 He has signup sheets, but some of the positions are harder than others. It's something we ran into over here because with them having the disease, people are scared, you know, that's a huge leap to walk in there and try and communicate and take care of someone that has a disease that you know nothing about, but you still find there are people. That know, they know that nudge. They, they feel it in their hearts. They know they have no choice. And we feel fortunate that we had a team of five people that would regularly come over there and assist us with that because it takes that many, when you've got individuals that need help.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 27:29 I think our volunteers are scared for another reason. To hear you're going to walk into a prison and spend an hour or so with these guys because we're in the chapel with no guard. I mean the guard lets us in the door and he leaves and we're in there with these 20-25 guys, thank God for the Holy Spirit. You know, that He calms them down and shows them some love because you never know. I mean we've never had an incident, but it's kind of an unpredictable situation. To get in the prison, you have to go through a class, we have to meet. The lady from the prison comes and walks you through. I think it's like a two hour thing of all these different rules and you know what you're not to do and what you have to do and all these different things.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 28:16 And I think some people are put off by that. And not to mention the travel. I mean getting a volunteer at the prison is a little more difficult than somebody who is go 20 minutes down the road from the church. Our volunteers are a, I'm a young guy, so I can say a little older. And these are the fellows, you know, who don't have to get up at 5:00 AM in the morning anymore and they can do the late night on a Tuesday. We've had some guys fall off because of health issues. They can't make the long trip anymore or they aren't feeling up to it. But I have a pretty, roughly 10 guys that are very loyal and pretty much every week they're right there on top of it.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 29:01 It's funny, it started out with, we wanted it to be on a rotation and it's, it's like we hurt their feelings when we tell them they can't come a week. They're like, no, I'm not doing a rotation, I'm coming every time. Are you kidding me?
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 29:14 That's exactly how we feel. We are there every week. What do you mean? No, we're not going to rotate. You want to be there.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:19 Now let last we talked highly, you had like 14 of these locations kind of scattered around. Is that correct? What am I remembering?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 29:27 Yeah, it's 16 now. And that's because that week was the week we were getting ready to launch to two other jails sites. So those are the most recent are two jail sites.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:38 So your church of you know, small 800 person physical location in Corydon, Indiana has three prison ministries that it's running, I'm sorry four, so this one, the two new ones, and then there's a fourth one.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 29:59 It's four prisons. We have a separate female and male one at one. Female only in another. A male only and then another female only, so five totals sites. But that's within four prisons.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:13 That was some scary math, but I'm going to say you're doing five prison ministries by utilizing your online broadcast to push an online to offline model of creating biblical community at physical locations utilizing church online.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 30:28 Yeah.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:28 I love you, like that's, that's fricking phenomenal. I did just say I love you on the podcast. You cut me off. Enjoy that. Like that's freaking awesome. Where you're now moving and you're creating this physical locations, giving people an opportunity to serve, like Brad and his team driving, at 10 people who don't want to rotate off to drive to another time zone, to sit in a bunch of room with 25 prisoners without a guard. And that's, I mean, we've talked recently about decentralizing ministry and taking ministry away from the pastors and empowering the people to do it. And what you've done here with Church Anywhere essentially is decentralizing that ministry and now you're empowering Brad and his people. Brad, how often does somebody from staff go with you?
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 31:23 The once a month, the big service we have at the end of the month.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:26 Yes, so a big service if it's 250, a staff person will go to that, but otherwise, like Tyler and his crew trust you to do the ministry, right?
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 31:35 Right.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:35 I mean, that's, that's awesome. So where else are you in other than the prison? So you're in 4, 5, 6, 19 prisons, the number changes. That's cool. What else? What other areas are you in?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 31:51 When school is going on, we're in two elementary schools that are after school programs. That's a little different cause we designed a curriculum specifically for that age group. So our youth band does the worship and we have curriculum that me and a couple other people on staff filmed for the service portion of it. All of it's still done via this online-offline model it's just like modified for them. We're in a youth shelter that has foster kids that don't have placements. We're in a homeless camp. We're in one home, like an actual neighborhood, three nursing homes.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:39 Homeless, nursing home, after school for kids. Never in my life have I thought, hey, let's create an afterschool program for kids and involve. Like, no it's not, that's not been on my radar. And you've done that twice?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 32:56 The youth shelter ones is awesome. Well put it this way, my wife and I are in the process of adopting a 17 year old cause we get sucked into this Church Anywhere location on Wednesday nights, which is awesome. It's been incredible to see. We've got I think around 3 teams of 10 that rotate on every eight weeks at that location. And it's literally just like 17-20, 14 to 18 year old kids who don't have parents, don't have a home that are living in an old elementary school. And we go every Wednesday night to have a meal with them, do small groups and worship together. But these kids have never even heard of Jesus before. It was amazing. We baptize four of them last year.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 33:45 So I'm going to ask this question and I know what the answer is, but I want you to say it because I want the audience to hear this. How many people are on your staff like that, that deal with this exact issue, that deal with Church Anywhere that work with this? Like, you got all this video content with these leaders? You got what, six, eight people, right?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 34:06 We have one, that's just me, Tyler.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 34:14 We have another guy that helps a lot with the jail part but he doesn't do anything with technology, but he and I basically launched the the jail ministry part of it together. But other than that, it's pretty much just me. We only have like 10 staff total, including part time people.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 34:35 So let unpack this because here's where it's at. I had this conversation with a probably a 10,000 member church. Church anywhere is like, Jeff, we really want to do it, but we want to get our content better first. And I'm like, you've got like 12 people on staff. Don't, literally, I'm like, don't use that as an excuse. Go. And so to your point, you got 10 people in the entire church, church is roughly is was around 800 or was that in my head for the broadcast, 450 around somewhere else. Like what's your secret? Because most people are going to freak out and their heads are going to explode managing all this, you're not, so what are they missing?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 35:28 I don't think it's a secret. I think that everyone has access to the same thing that we do. I mean to say that God couldn't start something like somewhere else is to put God in a box. And so I think that, you asked at the beginning what First Capital has done to grow to the size that we are in as small of a town that we are. And I think our lead pastor has done a really good job for 15 years of not putting God in a box. There's basically nothing that we can dream that we don't think God can do. And so instead of saying like, that might be too big for us, it's like God's big enough to do it. So let's just go ahead and do it. Yeah, we put our work into it and we plan and we're very intentional about things. But I don't think, I've never been to a place where we don't limit God at all. Like there is no dream bigger than what God can make happen and we can see it with what's happening with Church Anywhere. Like most churches our size would kill to have 39 first time decisions for Christ by June of a year. So like in the last six months, that's what we have just through Church Anywhere right now and it's not a competition, but praise God for that. That's a huge thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 36:43 Does the average person at your church that attends the Corydon campus, the main broadcast center, like is Church Anywhere so much in the DNA and the vernacular that they understand that they know about all these stories, the ministry, the mission opportunities, you know, so often when you talk with church online these days, it's like, yeah, the physical church has no idea what is that relationship between Church Anywhere and First Capital?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 37:10 I think so.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 37:11 Everybody knows. Randy will get up there and tell us to turn on our phones and say hello or do whatever so that they know we're online. They count it down and we go live and everybody's there with their phones saying hello.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 37:27 I think talk on this on the last one. But there's four touch points every service that we mentioned, Church Anywhere, Church online within the service. So either you were asleep and miss it or you know about it. It's pretty obvious. Plus in a room that only seats 500 people that have like four or five cameramen running around, it's pretty obvious that there's something going on.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 37:47 Very cool. Well, I'm excited. In the next episode we're going to have Randy on, cause lead pastors that have the vision and the understanding even to go, okay, the best spot for you. You know, I had this conversation with it with the pastor once in the conversation didn't go well, but it was something like this, "Pastor, you got to realize there's somebody in your audience where the best spot for them to be on a Sunday morning might not be in a pew watching you speak live. It might be outside of the building leading a church service like this or maybe inviting 10-15 people into their own home and doing church there." That rattles some cages. I'm just honest, like it's still in that culture of you have to have people there in the physical building or at the multisite campus.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 38:36 But this idea of church online and getting it outside of the church building and into the community, how you guys have created this online-offline, or have utilized the online-offline model is phenomenal. And I can't wait because my opening question for Randy is like, okay, wait, when Tyler cast this vision to you, what was your first thought? Because like pastors often gets stuck on the first thought and they can't evolve through it. And I want to know did he think you were crazy or did he buy into it? I want to hear it from him. Don't answer that question. But it's so exciting for me to be able to look and to see these stories like this and how God's utilizing church online, how First Capital is utilizing this distribution network to empower four, five, six prison ministries, to empower a Hotchkin's Rehab, to empower 16 different locations around the multiple cities and areas around there.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 39:41 So where you're getting a 1,250, I'm doing bad math, but 1200-1300 people attending. Not that it's about the numbers, but you've got engagement out of a small church, relatively speaking that shouldn't be doing this, but you guys don't realize you shouldn't be doing this and God's blessing your ministry. Like I love what you're saying about Randy. Like God's bigger than this. Let's just go and God will take care of it. Like you don't ask questions, you don't doubt, it's let's birth communities. Let's go. Where else can we go? Like next time we talk, Tyler, I want to know where your next two locations are. Like, come on man. What are you waiting for?
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 40:21 When this very first started when I guess when Tyler got the idea, when it all come together and they sat down and started having a conversation. It wasn't even called Church Anywhere yet. It's like, we're going to take our online service and start spreading it out somewhere. It was that day, we got an email from a jail. "What'd y'all be able to bring a Church service into our jail?" And that's God making these things happen.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 40:49 I totally forgot about that.
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 40:50 That's where it very first started. A little county jail, about a half an hour away. I got to give some praise. My wife runs that. That's the very first one that ever started. And you want to talk about relationship. She is building relationships in that place. But that's how it all began, was an email from a jail because we were like, where are we going to do this? We gotta come up with somewhere to take Church Anywhere if we're gonna make this thing happen, let's hope God's gonna show us what to do.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 41:23 It was 9AM when we finally got the, okay, to pretty much try Church Anywhere and I was in the office with Donnie, our care pastor and he gets an email from a chaplain at a local jail that says, "We need some churches to come in and put on church for our women." And I was like, well, if that's not a sign, I don't know what is.
  
  
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  Cindy Timmons: 41:49 I think the thing that keeps this growing because we hear it all the time. I'm sure you have. We have. A lot of churches show up and make promises and they never see them again. Every time we walk in that door, someone comes and tells us how grateful they are that we are there every week as promised. We wouldn't make that promise if it wasn't important and we're there. Not just on our Sundays or the days that we are doing our Church Anywhere. We're in their lives during the week, you know, making contact one on one and making sure they're taken care of because we know that's what we're supposed to do.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 42:29 And I hope I'm not taking any way far over Jeff. It's not easy. I mean like we all get super exhausted. It's a marathon and you push every single week to do it, especially with the church our size. I mean, you hit on it before. We don't have like 10 staff members that are like doing all this. It's me and a bunch of volunteers who are killing it. But it's also very tiring, but it's so worth it on the other end of that. But if we could pass this vision to other churches that like, Hey, what if we did empower people to go out and persevere for the gospel like we're told to do? Because we make it so easy so much to serve. We have so many opportunities to serve that are like once every six weeks, once every eight weeks. And that's great. But like what if we did teach our people to persevere through things? Like imagine the life change that would happen not just within like local bodies, but entire communities. I think that we can really make a big change for the kingdom with that same perseverance mindset, that Church Anywhere has forced us to have here.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 43:39 The furthest one is two hours away and that's physical bodies. But the furthest person that I know of that watches us every week is from London.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:48 Wow. So your physical location is about two hours away and that's down in Kentucky as I recall, right?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 43:58 Madison prison is the furthest one away.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 44:00 Madison. Okay. So here's what I want to know. We'll land the plane. By the way, thank you. This has been phenomenal. Awesome. Couple of questions to wrap up, but let's just build a model here. 1000-1500 person church, kind of similar in context to you. They're wanting to do this online-offline model. They want to start creating physical locations, house church, micro locations, what have you, what are their next steps? Give them some advice on how to move from, hey, leadership might not understand, I've got this broadcast, I've got this service. How do I take that next step?
  
  
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  Brad Reed: 44:44 Loyal volunteers. You need members of your church that want to get out there and love on people. I mean, I think that's the fuel for Church Anywhere is the people in the church that cannot wait to do church Monday through Saturday. We don't show up Sunday morning and then go back to our lives where the great commission is every other day of the week. And you need people in your church that want to do that.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 45:12 So to expand on that, I think before the lead pastor conversation happens, I feel like there has to be some kind of DNA in your church already where you have people who are ready to love on the community in a different way. So before you ever start thinking about Church Anywhere, you have to have a culture of wanting to be able to go love on people that maybe you wouldn't normally love on. And then that would definitely make it a whole lot easier. But for someone who maybe has that already and then they're talking to their lead pastor, I mean I think the first thing has to be you have to have a quality product. Nothing that we put on the screens. If it's going to be based on technology, it can't suck. I don't know how else to say that.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 45:57 Like it just, it can't have like distortion all over the place. And like 1993 cameras that you're shooting your stuff with, like it has to look good. And we've done that within like a super reasonable budget. I don't think that we're like producing Steven Spielberg kind of product, but it's not something that I would be ashamed to put on a large screen in front of 300 prisoners. So start with the product and then cast the vision. You have to cast the vision. Before we started this, we did an entire sermon series called Church Anywhere. You have to cast the vision to your people.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 46:35 So lead pastor, teaching team, taught a whole sermon series, basically saying, church, get out of the building, go do church outside of the building. Oh, by the way, here's a vehicle Church Anywhere utilizing church online, which gives you the, the resources to go do church outside the building.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 46:54 Yeah. And I mean it helped I'm on the teaching team. I have a bug in the ear of the guy who's making the stuff, which helps. But I think that Randy I think preached two of those, I preach one and then our other teaching guy preached one as well. So it was a four week series from three different perspectives of how this can not only change people's lives, but change the lives of the people who are serving as well.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 48:13 And so you can listen to Internet on episode 10, but going back to y'all, just how you've been able to leverage that love within the community and within what you're doing there in Corydon and being able to use it to create these, these micro locations. This is awesome. Like I have forwarded your podcast to more people as I just cast this vision of, hey, church online needs to grow up. Church online needs to start birthing physical, you know, locations. I truly believe that the model that you guys are doing for church is the model of where we're going to be in 5 to 10 years. I think broadcast campuses will get bigger, but also think that they're going to get smaller in the process. And so, you know, I look at some of the mega churches, Saddleback out in California, Elevation out in the Carolinas, you know, they're utilizing the same model where they're having hundreds of micro locations, watch parties, house churches, digital groups, you know, like this, where they're utilizing church aligned to birth, physical locations around.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 57:15 He doesn't even know, we'll include it in the show notes. Just click there. It'll be great. You can hit me up online as well and I'll point you his way. But this has been great. Cindy, Brad, Tyler, thanks for joining us. And next episode we're going to have Tyler back and talking with Randy Kirk, Lead Pastor there at First Capital. It's going to be awesome. From Tyler and the crowd, my name is Jeff. Thank you very much for joining us today and we'll see you next time here at The Church Digital Podcast. You all have a good day.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey listeners, this is Jeff Reed with TheChurch.Digital Podcast. I'm excited about this episode coming up. This is going to be a really, really fun conversation. So on the podcast today, we've got Anthony Coppedge. Now this guy goes way back. I'm going to be honest, this man was an influence to me back in the 90s and 2000s, an early voice in church and back in a time where as a Production Director is a guy who was involved in church doing church communications, even with the dawn of social media and a lot of that stuff, there weren't a lot of influences back there, back in the day. Anthony Coppedge has been and continues to be one of those voices. And so I ran into Anthony, not in the physical realm, but more in the virtual realm and in a Facebook group. There was a question that was asked recently in an online digital and church leader Facebook group.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:34 Of course, we're still good Southern Baptist church and so they've got to be baptized by immersion, you know, or joined by letter from another church. I see Anthony laughing over there. I know that strikes a chord with you. And so this is kind of what it is to be a member, you know, and so they enter into a covenant by signing off on a document and now they're a member of our church. That's essentially what it is. They're enacting the four parts of the strategy. We as such, we keep up with them as members and when we go through our voting process, like basically around once a year, they get to take part in that, which for us, and this is kind of the struggle even then ecclesiological it's still happens like during a service hour in which yes, some people who aren't members also possibly raised their hand and vote. That's just with some transparency there, that's something that happens. So there you go.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 05:25 With the wrestle and in context of Andy's question when he was wrestling with, when he was asking this is, hey, I've got people who are experiencing our services online. If you have a well developed discipleship process involving small groups and a strong vision towards online, you could have people who are engaged in your church virtually, maybe even at the same as someone is at the physical realm.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 05:59 Or more.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:00 That's interesting. I can think of a personal story, as an online pastor, I had someone who was in another state, had someone who was regularly giving, a very high amount, not that size matters, but was regularly giving and tithing as would be appreciated and expected at a church, was leading a small group with serving as a small group leader. You know, and if you're checking off your first base, second base, third base, the boxes. Thank you, Rick Warren. If you're checking that off, this person is fully engaged into creating this disciple of Christ, at least how the church had deemed it. But this person's in another state, in another time zone. And as a result of that, they're not able to, at least in context of the church I was at, they're not able to be held to that same standard of membership even though they are as dedicated, if not more dedicated than someone else. And so that's some of the standard issues that we see in context of church online membership. Anthony, in your experience kind of walking into this and what you've seen over your years of ministry, what does membership look like or mean to you? When you look at the challenge of an online member that may be as dedicated or more, you know, obviously you're feeling something like, okay, the online person needs to be permitted to own, a piece of the vision, but what does that look like in today's age?
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 08:01 I disagree with that statement. They don't need permission to do anything because the way it works to become a member, basically it's applied to choose to be under the governance of, the Bible says elders, right? So you're under authority. That's a willful choice. So the choice to join is not the organization's choice, it's the person's choice, right? So I would flip what you said. It's the church that gets to say, hey, these are the things we would really like. How do you feel about that? Because that's inclusive versus when you say this is what it takes to play here and if you want to be a part of it, sign on this contract or covenant or whatever you want to call it. And then they go, well, isn't that exclusive? But those are our roles. Now, no one has it, I don't think no one, can't say no one, I know there are some Pastors I've met them that are this way. But what I would like to say, most pastors are not thinking that manipulatively, they're just trying to have some sort of conclusion around it. Right. So I understand the thinking there, but what ends up happening is the way we articulate and frame it becomes about you come be a part of our faith by our terms and we'll do things that benefit you.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 09:19 Hmm, good point. And that's been the struggle with that term, right? With membership.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 09:26 Because I can be a member of a gym or a Costco or a church or a group. That's my choice as a person, I get to choose to be a part of that. Now the group may have rules. If you want to be a part of this group, you got to do these things. I get that they can choose to accept or reject that. But ultimately if we're trying to have open arms and say, we just, we love you, we're all about people or whatever your thing is then you're going to say will you join with us? Can we serve you? It is both ways, right? It's not, are you just willing to come be a part of our thing, that's exclusivity. It's, how do we serve you that's inclusive and that's a distinction that I think should be made that is not, and it also leads to the discussion of well then should an online church have the same vision as the nature of who's sponsoring it or running it or should that functionally because it's operating differently, have a different set of mission statements maybe aligned to a vision or should it operate exactly the same. That's where the polity of church becomes difficult at that point because now we have gray areas that we don't know how to address for the most part. I have ideas, but yeah.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:40 Let's park on that. Cause, and this is actually DJ Soto, VR church was on a couple of episodes ago. Episode, I think it was 14 if you're keeping score at home. He was talking about how, and it was a new concept to me, he's like physical church has a different set of rules than what he defined as digital church, church online, which his term cause he's doing in VR. He's like, VR is a completely set of different rules than digital. But what you're saying is that digital church, online church, may have a different scope, a different set. Anthony as you're wrestling with that, how do you see it being different?
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 11:23 Are you familiar with Andy Grove? Andy Grove was the CEO for Intel, one thing he talked about was leadership and management. And what he said was that just like tennis, you have to have a good forehand and a good backhand, right? So you have to be able to lead and manage. Leadership is inspiring people to go where they've never been and give trust to some extent to bind to that. Whereas management is the execution of this by them and in this way. And a really, really good manager is someone who just puts junk out of the way and let people get their stuff done, right? So if you think about that model than what we're saying is Kennedy inspired people to follow the same vision? Maybe. Can we manage them the same to accomplish something the same as in physical versus virtual? No, probably not. You're probably going to have to do that differently. Your forehand going to have to be solid, but then your backend has to be solid. One of the things I've said is that, if you follow Andy's advice, then you must become comfortable with specific encouragement and helpful criticism because you're taking on both roles, you've got to say, it's got to be best like that. It's more like this, and you've got to be the kind of person who embodies that, so you take the advice of the board, the leadership management, which would apply at both levels, physical church, online, digital or whatever. But then you also change the rules of the game because the game is physically different in the virtual or online space. So the same rules are different. What is out of bounds in tennis on a physical court is very different than what it is when it's pixels. Right? So now I've got to figure out can I even have the rules be the same or do I need to change it? Why are we limited to a two dimensional court or even a three dimensional court, like could we have court that's all four dimensions of x and y axis? Like literally it's possible to think about it so differently that it doesn't even begin to resemble your original thing therefore it shouldn't or couldn't have the same vision because it's operating fundamentally different.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 13:26 Right. I love this but let's put a little more practical angle on it. Both you guys, either one. Like practical execution of that. We're talking 2D, 3D, 4D, I know those are analogies towards things cause somebody out there is thinking 4D, what do we have to like figure out how to make our church service smell? We're not talking literal in that context. What are some examples of where a pixel church, I like that, is different than a physical church? Rey, you're an online pastor, you deal with this all day long. Give me some examples.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:59 Well, so there's, there's some similarities in that. You know, the funny thing about that is the similarities that I've seen are, you know, when I come to a physical church service and when I come to a digital church service, I'm basically receiving a lot of content. I'm being, you know, sung at, I'm being preached at. And so I'm basically downloading a whole lot of content at once. We quoted this before from Ed Stetzer in terms of we construct our churches. You know, where one person uses the majority of time uses his gift and everybody else just kind of sits around and watches from that perspective. And in that way, physical locations and digital locations are exactly the same. Now in a digital environment, from what I've seen, conversation can take place a lot more naturally within the service and you don't get your hands slapped for talking during the message. Remember when you were a kid and it's like at least, you know, my parents bribed me with McDonald's if I kept my mouth shut during church. I'll just keep quiet and then happy meal afterwards. It's all cool. You know with digital church, you know the carrots on the stick the other way. No, we want you to engage. We want you to talk, we want you to give to us.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 15:01 You draft rules for a different game.
  
  
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  New Speaker: 15:03 Yeah, we want you to interact with what it is that we're talking about now. We want you to have real time conversation, not even in small group does this take place. You know, as a small group video is happening right in real time we're telling everybody to be quiet and then afterwards we have the discussion. In realtime in a digital environment, the content is just going and we're encouraging as much interaction between one another as possible. And so that's where to me, where the digital environment is amazing because we're encouraging the conversation. We're not trying to slap the hand to keep it quiet. We're like, no, please talk during church, talk during church. We want that.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 15:39 And beyond that, Rey, I think that's spot on. That's a good example of how the pixels different from the physical, right. Here's another difference, that's a continuous stream of consciousness live on Sunday or weekend or whatever you are going to call it, but it doesn't have to be continuous stream of consciousness when we have digital. Now if your faciliting a livestream, sure, but what if you're doing small group or what if the way you're presenting it is so different that you actually hit pause and you have discussion and then you hit play and it's video on demand or content. It doesn't have to be an uninterrupted stream where you talk over it like, oh, we're missing. You can hit pause and they will sit there and wait because that's normal. Right. So again, rules changed. So you are flexing muscles that you don't even have in the other space and you have to change the rules to play that way.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 16:28 I think what we're getting to those that you're asking Jeff, it's a good question. What are the differences? What's the same? There is one focus. There is one focus. Therefore go and make disciples. It wasn't the great suggestion. Right? So if that's the thing we're doing is the common denominator than we have to figure out is why do church people and church leaders got to stop confusing style or format with bogus. It's we're hung up on the technology or the medium or the time shifting, we can't seem to get past the thing that says this is how we've always done it. And yet the very people saying the ones who complained about the church that came before them are always saying "that's the way we want it" and go like you're irrelevant already. Hey guys, check the mirror in 2019, you might be relevant too, you just have a hip version of the relevancy, right? So instead of the constructive discussion, we should be intentionally focusing away from programmatic attendance generators or styles of service to extend time, effort, and resources on deliberately emphasizing the personal journey, absurdly leading others. Period. How you play that out has lots of options.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:44 I've talked about this and blogged about this, we'll put it in the show notes, is this idea of church online decentralizes your ministry. If I'm a one campus, I'm paying professionals to do ministry.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 18:07 No you're not. You're paying professionals to facilitate the doing of ministry.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 18:12 You hope.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 18:13 No, that's what you should doing, right?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 18:16 Okay. You hope you are, in reality, you may or may not be. But at the end of the day, and so. Confession, I may be a little jaded on this but when you look at a physical campus, you're gonna see a lot more of the hero of the story. The hero of ministry is oftentimes that lead pastor on the stage. It's going to be the staff person who's doing ministry out there to the tens or the hundreds or the thousands depending upon the ministry side. When I look at Church Online, I actually see that as an opportunity for the lead pastor, the lead communicator on stage, whoever it is like that doesn't, that power doesn't necessarily convey in another time zone in another state. The hero of the story is the individual who you empower and say, Hey, you know what? You're in another time zone from this church. We want to disciple you and empower you to create a biblical community where you are, right? You're in another time zone. Let's create a little piece of this church in your state and all of a sudden if we're working this discipleship model, the church online isn't the abandonment, which a lot of times people think it's not the abandonment of physical community.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 19:44 It's the starting of new physical communities all over the place as where discipling and empowering people to develop these communities where they are. Christ Fellowship Miami, this is a great example, Christ Fellowship Miami, right now has a physical small group that meets in San Antonio, Texas. It's led by a person that my mother who's 72 years old, discipled and grew to the place where she's now leading a physical small group in San Antonio. It's another time zone, it's a 20 hour drive away.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 20:18 Culture too.
  
  
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  New Speaker: 20:19 Oh yeah. Oh, a bible belt verses, completely. But like that person in San Antonio standing on her own, creating this community with her coworkers and friends, that person is my hero. Like I would rather tell her story and the stories like that all day long, but because we've gone from, the staff and I used to, I used the term earlier, professional Christians and I even like, I don't really mean that, but it's gone from a, Hey, I'm going to do the work too. I'm going to empower others to do the work and I'm not looking for this because I'm trying to celebrate myself as much as now I want to empower others and my joy comes from watching other ministry happen.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 21:05 That's right. We're actually getting ready to have another one in California, which is awesome. You know, it's one of those things where, exactly what you're talking about, Anthony, our role as pastors in Ephesians, right? It says that we're supposed to empower others to do the work of the ministry. You know, like that's what the shepherd is supposed to do. We're not supposed to be the doers of the minister. We're supposed to be the empowerers supposed to set them free, unleash them to do ministry. The great thing about Church Online that you're getting at, Jeff, that I love is that it decentralizes in that it's not limited to time and space. Once upon a time we had to worry about spaces or about Sunday school spaces or a certain times where content could get distributed like leadership training or you know even theological training or different stuff. Now, because we can record something or we can live stream or we can put it on demand. We don't have to worry as much about people showing up at a specific time. We can get it to them where they're at and they can go back and reenergize with that same content. They can go back and share that content with others and we can encourage them and empower them to do so. That's really one of the big wins that I see in this pixel, in this digital environment is content doesn't have to die because you weren't there and you missed it. No, no, no, no. Instead, here's the content, you take it and run with it and you go reach other people for Christ with it because you got it in the palm of your hand.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 22:23 There's a parallel in the business world one of the things we're seeing is companies will do more remote work. When you're saying, it's better for a lot of our employees to not physically be here, even in the same time zone and we can distribute the work not just outside of campus, but outside of time zone to another country and it's very common to do that, but it just takes a different set of skills. And so what you have to go from is synchronous communication to asynchronous communication from synchronous activity alignment to asynchronous results oriented alignment, right? So instead of saying, I need you to be in this meeting so that you can take the notes and we can get this PowerPoint built or whatever, we're going to get these things delivered. No, you have a group of people that you entrust and you delegate that information and the resources out, your process to manage to get them from a to z and you have check ins along the way, but you don't ever have to physically be with any of them. I just wrote an article on medium.com that says. I can look it up. But basically it's that you as a remote manager, I value performance over presence. Right. And so it's very results oriented. Well, if I think about the discipleship thing, we were just talking about, it's great in that same discussion because what we're saying is that you're interested in seeing you get what you need to go and do whatever you can wherever you are with whatever you have. We want to resource and facilitate that as it makes sense to you at your time and place not as we have an offering on the weekends deliberate too. That's a significant shift when it's hard for I think the American church model, which is based around that pop up something on the weekend and build everything towards the weekend and then try to make it sustain throughout the week and then that repeats every seven days.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 24:18 That model doesn't even begin to apply in the digital world. And I think we have to be able to say it's okay that it's different that we need to empower and release those to being something that grows and does what it can with what it has and not beholden to the synchronous work of a physical church. It's asynchronous on purpose and by the way with greater value to that community. It doesn't have the same value in it has to be synchronous. This is why I looked at the, hey, we stream these times, why? Not that that's wrong, but couldn't you just say it's on demand and here are the times we facilitate group discussions and they could Tuesday nights in this time zone and Monday afternoons in that time zone. If you are really trying to take this and grow it I think you have to get past that weekend model is to support anchor for the whole thing. So for example, when I talked to senior pastors, it's been awhile since I ask this question, but I'm sure the numbers were similar. I would ask what percent of what you share is remembered on Tuesday morning by your congregation and the answer is usually between 20 and 30% which I think is high. Right. So instead of saying we're put this massive amount of effort into creating this awesome thing, IE a weekend service. That message then has to try to be applied during the weekend, well what better way to do that than asynchronously. There's a genius to the "and" rather than the competition of the "or".
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 25:47 I agree with that completely. Now I want to take some of that and kind of point it back to the membership and kind of just ask the question, Anthony, in terms of, all right, so we've got this content, we got people interacting with it and hey that's cool, you know, but they're no, here in person. How much of a say should they really have around here? If that's the case, should they be able to like help elect the senior pastor, should they be able to help elect like some of the people that are making decisions around here? Like, cause that's where I hear a lot of churches get confused.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 26:15 Church polity. Here's an unpopular the answer. Does it matter? Because ultimately if they're doing ministry in San Antonio and they're having great growth in people coming to Jesus or they're learning together and they're serving their community in unique and meaningful ways, does it matter what? Not unless you care about propping up the organization ahead of the mission and the vision, and I think that's the problem right there. So we want to honor leadership, want to honor or do these things to be a part of a process. But I think the whole church polity is where it breaks down. And it's also why if you go back from the reformation and the sins that have happened on the timeline of church history since then, because someone's always trying to figure out, yeah, but what about this? And so they always want to have their piece of the pie, what if he just doesn't matter.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 27:06 Well, I think that's where a lot of people are not just the nuns or the unchurched. I think that's what are the church people are. They just don't care as much about that, my neighborhood's needs help or you know, I lost my job, we could really use some help. I need some training. We could really use a little bit of cash, whatever that looks like. There are ways we can practically help that has nothing to do with church polity. So if you take that discussion and dethrone it from the place of prominence that I did a lot of denominational have and you just got back down and you loved people and make disciples and help people where they are. Church polity will have very, very, very little to say.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 27:47 You know, Romans 13, no leadership is in place that God has instituted. And so, you know, some of that I feel like we just try to over orchestrate things that we really shouldn't be worrying about to Anthony's point of just making disciples and what we've done here, and I don't know that I intentionally meant to do it this way, but we kind of did, like, we're setting this picture that church online has more of a discipleship structure, potential for discipleship structure by decentralizing away from leadership and empowering the people to be the heroes. Even this idea of, well in a pixel church we can have, you know, a much more integration of chatting and talking and be able to engage people in a virtual environment, but we don't have it in the physical.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:48 Honestly, like I sat in a conference, and I hear the speaker say, Clay Scroggins, he's like the church business model that we operate on today needs to be destroyed. It wasn't his exact words. I think he actually said blow up. But the point of where we're operating up to this point over the past 2000 years has worked, but culture is shifting away from the traditional business model where they're not engaging with it. 66% of the people are not wanting to come into your building. 80% of people will have a conversation about their faith with their friends not coming in to see, to hear, you know, a lecture from this stage. At what point do we look at the, and this is a loaded question and I don't know that we're going to solve this problem today, but at what point do we look at the physical church and okay, hey, there's some lessons we need to learn in general because the things that we're doing may or may not be effective today.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 29:50 Now, see, Rey, Jeff, just took out his eleventh pole. That's the pole that you use when you don't touch things with your ten foot pole. That's the big one. You're poking the big thing now. And you're right that, that's a big thing.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:03 Well, you know, the struggle that I have with that is the argument that it's always worked, you know, we have to go back and we have to take a look at how we've adapted over time too, you know, and point out our inconsistencies in terms of strategy. Like I remember in seminary, you know, we had a great discussion over where and when Sunday night services became a thing and why some people still did them. And what we started to unearth was it was it was a structured way to reach farmers at one point and then it just became tradition as opposed to, oh, this is new testament mandated or something along those lines. And it made a lot of folks uncomfortable as far as how a lot of that went down.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 30:40 You said something, Rey, that I just want to challenge. You said, well we do it because it works. Let me just ask the big question if it works so well, why does 66% of people are not going to show up and 80% will have that discussion. The stats would tell you it's not working. That means for most churches it's working well enough to maintain the status quo and they're comfortable. You know whether they have a hard heart about that or not or they just are ignorant. I don't know. I'm not judging. I'm just saying that's the truth because the reason that happens, the scorecard of the Western church typically believes it's easily understandable and obviously measurable attendance, giving, volunteerism, observed by visible, quantifiable, so they easily become the low hanging fruit of determining that success. Right. It's working of a ministry organization. But left uncheck, we all speak on the measure of pure success with church leaders. How big is your church? When you see two pastors at any conference I've ever been you, they'll walk up, so what are you guys running? What do you guys do? Always. It just kills me. The easy three metrics are often generally quantified into some alliterated version of faith, family and finance. Right? So how do you promote a volunteer? Well, faith, family and finance. How do you validate those three? We check their finances if they're giving. So really it's not faith, family, finances, it's finances. How about their faith and family? Um, well it's really hard to know that you're right. It is, but they'll say faith, family, finance so in the digital world, what makes a really good number?
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 32:21 What makes them a good deacon or usher or parking lot greeter, right? Do you see the warm body or do you actually want someone who's living something out and how do we validate that? The only way is through relationship and people don't scale. Systems and processes scale, but people don't scale. So what you're talking is having enough people with enough touch points, what I would call a span of care, that you have enough spans of cares that you are touching all the people and it does go up, but you don't have control. There's the big thing because I can't do that because then I wouldn't be the one making the decisions here. Well here's the thing, when pressed you get to this place where you said you're only trying to capture on one factor.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 33:08 So what makes a member, somebody who gives. There was one time, and I'm old enough to say this, that one of the churches in Dallas, Fort Worth was listed as the largest church in America and I went there on a weekend and they were nowhere near the largest church in America kind of numbers. And when I found out on their membership roles, it was 30,000 people way back in the day. It was like that was the number one church and I'm like, but that's not who showing up, right? Maybe they're all giving, and that's your determination of size, but man, you've really just got the metrics back. We let the lagging indicators, wag the tail of the dog, right? The tail of lagging indicators has wagged the dog of the church. And when we got to get into the leading indicators, leading indicators are a lot harder, right? There's the things like, Hey, what is the ratio of our volunteers to new members or new salvations?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 36:19 1998. I think I was like in college, so congratulations. That's good stuff. I may have been at that conference, I'm not sure. Here's the problem of where we are. We've just spent a good chunk of time having a theoretical conversation that I think was good, but like the guy sitting at his church and he's like, okay, I'm trying to create this discipleship strategy. I understand the power of online to do this. Like, but leadership doesn't, they don't see it. They don't agree. We really can't do two separate things. It needs to be one. I want to end on some sort of practical things, application, something that's like, okay, we just fired this guy up. He realizes he needs to do all this stuff and he's like four totem poles down from the top. And what can he do? What's are good baby steps for somebody that's at this level to try to move in the right direction? Either of you guys want to breathe on that?
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 38:22 So here's what I would say to that person who's feeling very conflicted. Like, well I don't have the authority to do anything that these guys have talked about today. Here's the thing. The local church is at a crossroads and has the opportunity to do either facility, organize and empower life change or settle for systemic entropy. To settle is to be a part of the problem. To accept the challenge of transformational change is the narrow path. The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's informative. Even a dead fish goes with the flow. So if that scares you, then you probably are not at a place where it's ever going to change or you're going to have to be the catalyst of change and you have to have the basic discernment to understand that because I would not waste my life and my energies trying to go with the flow that's dead. I would leave the stream and go do something else somewhere else if it really meant I either have to conform because we're not willing to change.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 40:11 Wow. Even a dead fish goes with the flow. I love that. Oh yeah. I'm going to adopt that. I'll totally give you credit, Anthony, whenever I say it. But I have a running joke of whether a quotes tattoo worthy or not. Like would I tattoo that on my body, that's on the list of tattoo worthy? My wife's not going to let it happen, so it will never happen. I'll never tattoo your name on my body, Anthony. I just want to let you know, uh, but I, I would actually consider it cause that's a really good quote. Hey church person out there. and, and we've talked about this in the past, but while you're creating disciples, while your disciples are creating disciples, celebrate that. Share that story. Share the story of how you're empowering people to do ministry.
  
  
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  Anthony Coppedge: 43:46 Mathematician and statistician George box has a phrase that fits you. All models are wrong, but some are useful. So go make disciples. And if that means members, great, but don't make it a requirement.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:59 Wow, that's good church. That was so good. Church, last I checked. Membership's not listed in the Bible. I don't think it talks about membership but it does talk about making disciples. And so church online, people focusing in that realm, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all the commands I have given you. I'm pretty sure that's verbatim, maybe that's NIV 1984, but it's close. Hey, so thank you for that. Anthony, appreciate you coming in and jumping on. This has been a great podcast. Rey, once again, love having you on. My name is Jeff, this has been TheChurch.Digital Podcast. Appreciate you, listening audience, out there and looking forward to letting you hear us next time here on TheChurch.Digital Podcast. Y'all have a good day.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everyone, welcome to TheChurch.Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff. We're at Episode 15, can't believe how quickly these things are flying through and we've got a great one here! The other day, Rey DeArmas, Online Pastor over at Christ Fellowship in Miami. He and I were sitting together at a Shake Shack and he dropped this knowledge bomb on me and when he said it, I just needed to unpack it. This is what he said. He says, "The greatest opportunity for evangelism in America today is in our workplaces." And once I picked my jaw up off the table, I said, "Rey, tell me more." And at the end of that conversation I said, "Hey, you know what? We've got to record this and get it public and get it out there so that others can hear this." See today, Church, we've got the opportunity to reach people within our buildings, but we have the opportunity even greater so I would suspect to reach people outside of our buildings and what better place to do that then through the workplace, where our attenders, where Christians, where people, spend other than home the majority of their time. And so church, what an opportunity for us to resource, to train, to empower people, to share their faith, to get them connected, to be comfortable in speaking in spiritual things, to be able to engage people within the workplace for the good of God, for the sake of the Gospel. I don't know, it sounds like a fun conversation to me, and that's exactly where we are. We've got Rey DeArmas on how to impact the workplace for the Gospel here at TheChurch.Digital Podcast. Here you go.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 01:28 Each and every one of us that are on church staff, we're building relationships with our folks on a regular basis and, hey, we're enjoying it becomes like family and that becomes one of the harder things, right? Like whenever you have to transition out of church, it's not just that you're leaving your church, but you're leaving this microcosm family that you've been spending hours and hours and grabbing coffees and breaks and sharing videos and having fun and laughs and you're doing life with. But what we underutilize is equipping our people to reach their friends and their coworkers inside the workplace. They're spending 50 to 60 hours with these folks, each and every week. And there are genuine relationships that they're building here, where they're in each other's lives, they care about each other. And so just to give you like a little insider, so over the last few weeks, just for funsies, we've been doing some stuff with CF Online where we've been working with Baptist Hospital and we've got some of our content there for folks who are receiving chemotherapy treatment to be able to watch services while they're receiving their chemotherapy.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 03:58 And the truth is, is that this is a great opportunity for our folks who are already connected with people. And don't forget, it's just like scripture says Ephesians, right? Our job is to equip them to do the work of the ministry, not to do the ministry for them. And so, so often we tell our folks that ministry is done at church when the reality is the ministry can be done, where? In the workplace where they're spending constant, nonstop time around nonbelievers, given an opportunity to witness to them, not just by wearing their, and in my case, not just by, you know, flashing a CF invite. There are different ways that we can equip them in Church Online, especially in digital tools are made for this.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:41 I love that. You know, there was some research that backs this up, but we've talked about it in the past or I know I've blogged about it, but like Lifeway Christian resources, 2016 did a survey. It was either 63% or 66% of people, are not interested in coming into your church building. They're just not. They've already established or they think they've established where they are and they're not going to be proactive in attending some service. And so the majority of people out there today are not open to the evangelical model where they go to a building. I'm looking for salvation or going to find salvation.
  
  
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  New Speaker: 05:23 That same survey will tell you, 80% of people will have a conversation about faith, as long as, they see that the faith is important to their friends. So they'll talk to their friends about faith if they see that faith is important to their friends. And so the ability for us as Christians to live out the Gospel, to be able to come be confident to have those conversations in the workplace is so important. I don't know if you remember this Rey, like maybe 10 or 15 years ago, like there was the desire, there was all this talk about the third place. Do you remember this? So like, first place is like your home, where you spend the most times cause you sleep there, so like at least 8 to 10 hours a week, even like crazy people, you know, the majority of your time is spent in the home. Second place was always your workplace, you know, cause that's where you spend to your point, 40 to 50 hours a week and there's this awesome community, this body of people that exist there. And it was funny, like the drive for the church was, should church be the third community, the third place? And we've kind of turned that on its ear a little bit now by saying, "Hey, the church can be third, can be forth, can be fifth, it doesn't matter." But really the effectiveness of the church in evangelism isn't what happens at that third place. We picked the wrong place. We need to get more involved in the second place.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 06:56 Well, and part of that, Jeff, is isn't our mistake in turning Church into the place? Isn't church supposed to be the people? Like we say that a lot, you know, and so if church isn't supposed to be the place, if it's supposed to be the people that really, if there is a modern diaspora Monday through Friday, right, of like the church being spread out and in their workplace, you know, where they're supposed to be and not just cause they're making money to tithe, right? But the reality is that they're there to build relationships. And so much of this, you know, think about we're missing like millennials and Gen Z and some of the folks that are coming behind us. They're looking for workplaces where they can have real relationships with others. You know, like it's not just about the job, but it's also about the relationships that they have. And we didn't really think about this a whole lot recently until we started getting into shows like the office, right? Where all of a sudden we realized, oh my gosh, I care about Jim and Pam the same way that I care about like some of my other coworkers because yeah, that's a shared environment, you know, and we're sharing so much space with these folks.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:59 I love that. And I'm a radio TV film major, so like you just lit me up, like in the eighties. The eighties it was Cheers and Cosby show. It was first place, it was not workplace. And so having that come more to an awareness of we've got this community, it's not just the drudgery of, let me, you know, serve the man, let me work for the man, let me just get my paycheck but it's become more of that community, that friendship, that's really cool.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 08:30 So because I love TV so much, we can take that even further, right? In the 90s, it became the coffee shop at Seinfeld and Friends for King's Coffee Shop like that was a place to gather around. Even Starbucks was fighting for the third place cause they started to see that they were losing that battle into the 2000s why? Because really work and play and life are kind of just expanding. And so things like Door Dash or whatever else, like Starbucks is more of a convenience place where you go to pick up stuff and go. You don't necessarily go there to hang out unless Starbucks is the office, right? Even then, it's not really the place where people go to gather for a whole lot of events or whatever else. This is the same way that movie theaters are struggling and now, even churches, like we're struggling, right?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 09:11 Because a lot of folks are either doing life at home or they're doing life at work and then they've got digital spaces that they do life in between. But with the workplace, we've already got great content that we give away for free in churches, right? And so why not encourage our own people - Hey listen, we're resourcing you. We're creating all this stuff. If you've got a friend at work who is going through a hard time, why not take that two minute clip, that three minute clip, and text it to them, airdrop it to them, show it to them? It just creates a great conversation starter because you're already in their life. We're even taking the work out of your hands in that you don't even have to know exactly what to say. You can just tell them, hey, you know what? My pastor talked about that exact same thing this week, man. I'm going to send you a two minute video. Why don't just watch it and then let's talk about, and it just creates that conversation. And I know that there are HR concerns, but really a lot of the HR concerns aren't so much that you can't be a follower of Jesus in the workplace. The HR concerns are you can't put up your Christian flag and blast your Carmen CD, you know, or your DC Talk CD, while you're in the workplace. Yes, you cannot be an annoying Christian to other people in the workplace, but you can still be very much who you are. And if we as believers, continue to place a stigma on that, then we're creating a cloud in our own mind. My wife is a public school teacher. If her students engage her in conversation, she's allowed to talk about Jesus, Church, whatever else. She's not allowed to initiate the conversation. And so when people start saying, "Well, God's not allowed in public school." I'm like, the Christians are, they're in administration. They teach, they're there and they're very active with their faith. What are we talking about? God's not allowed in public school. The church is in public school. It's already active. It's already there. We don't have to worry as much about whether or not "we're teaching it from the classroom" when we've got believers who are already there and being solid teachers where they're at or being solid administrators.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:02 That's great stuff. Yeah. By the way, DC Talk is going on tour.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 11:05 I'm so excited for that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:07 Oh my gosh. Yes. Like that's got to happen. Moving on.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 11:11 Do we get free tickets if we promo it? Does this happen?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:16 So somebody get Toby Mac on the phone, call them up. We deserve some tickets. All right. Hey, so Christ Fellowship is doing some of this and I know they're exploring in this area and trying to do more. Christ Fellowship down here in Miami. So you're talking about the sermon, cutting it up into smaller pieces, maybe having some clips that are available highlights, mic drop moments, things like that create easily shareable content. Walk me through a scenario like that. So, I'm in the workplace, or you're in the workplace, your sister is in the workplace, talking to somebody. Choose your sister, that'll be fun. Walk me through how a scenario like that would look with giving some of this, using the shareable content.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:04 So, for instance, depending on when you're watching this, you know, I'm referencing a sermon from the past, right? So this last week, Omar Giritli, one of our teaching pastors talked about the importance of rest and the importance of why God established rest and how a lot of that works. Now we live in a workaholic society, right? And so as we're talking about work, work can go bad. Work is a good thing. Work is established by God, but so is rest, right? And so we've got a lot of folks and especially in the ER that are pulling like 16 hour shifts and they're grabbing more shifts because hey, they're trying to pay for that next vacation or they're trying to do some of the same stuff that we're trying to do. Right? And so they're overexerted with that, but then they're not taking in consideration, hey, but what about taking some time to just breathe?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:45 What about taking some time to just be, because I'm so concerned with being the world's best mom or the world's best dad and so concerned with being the top earner and the top this that all of a sudden I'm just freaking out and I've got so much anxiety in my life. You see that's not just unique to Christians. It's not. And so if we take like a two minute blip, which we have and we put it out there on Instagram, right? We put it on IGTV or whatever else where the intro is just on the post. My sister works with folks who are way overworked, right? I mean they've got doctors and nurses there that are just cranking it out and by the time that they're done working on their shifts, they've got a chart galore. They've got to document everything and none of that they're getting paid for it because they spent so much time with patients that they've got to spend the back end doing the admin stuff. And so then after that, I mean they're just burnt. And so of course they're going to need a moment where they're saying, you know what, I'm just freaking out. Insert the conversation. "Hey, you know what? You know what, Pastor Omar was just talking about that this weekend, my church, in fact I was watching it online." My sister, right now, because she's got a five month old child, CF online is like prime time for her. And so it creates this instant opportunity where she can be like, hey, this exact thing that you were talking about, Dr. So and so, it's exact thing that you're talking about Nurse so and so (don't want to use names). She can just go ahead and forward it over to them.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 14:09 She can show it to them and she can encourage him to watch it. And it creates that conversation. In fact, she's already done this kind of thing with them and it just creates great conversation that leads to Gospel conversations. You know, when I worked at Apple, this happened for us, like almost a decade ago, and this is when Jeff, you were still here on staff at CF and this was a time where before even I was on staff, I was working at an Apple Store coming straight out of seminary and it was a great environment. We actually had a coworker come to Christ simply because we would constantly share content with her. We would constantly just tell her, hey, listen, that exact thing that you're talking about. Like check this clip out. She's tech savvy and you know, she's working with us at the apple store. Now, she's still working for Apple Corporate. But guess what? In the time that's happened since in the last 10 years, she's been coming to our church. She met a great man of God, they got married, they're starting their own family, they're part of our Miami Springs campus, and she's still working for corporate and doing her thing in the workplace and being a solid believer and growing as a believer there. Now a lot of folks think, oh well, the great end of that story is, wouldn't it be great if she came on staff at CF? No, wouldn't it be great if she was a great apple employee, right where she's at. That right there if she's a solid believer while she's there at apple, working for them doing a great job and at the same time reaching more and more of her coworkers for Christ, that's the win.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:31 That's a huge one. And so why not continue to resource our folks with content in order to do that? Jeff, you know, we talked about this a little bit earlier. One of the ways that we're doing this, and I wanna encourage folks to check this out and think about this methodology is now we opened up a Dropbox and we made it publicly accessible for all of our folks in which we're posting full quality social media content and we're now going to be encouraging our people to go there to download it in full quality so that they don't have to use apps like repost or whatever else. We've tagged that cfmiami.org/share. And if you go there, it's basically like a Wix structured website with direct access to our Dropbox in which they can go just grab full quality photos, series content, event content, whatever else. We're giving it away and we're encouraging them to share it because what I'm hoping and what I want to see happen is not just our own social media account talking about us, but everybody in our church talking about us as well and doing it right.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 16:23 That's great, Rey. That was a good move. The algorithms have shifted, especially with Facebook within the past, I don't know, probably three or four months. It was even referenced recently, earlier this year at the F8, Facebook Dev conference, where what an organization says on a Facebook page it really doesn't matter anymore. Like Facebook doesn't value page level information. Organization, if you really want to make an impact, create a group and then do it within the group and invite people into the group, that's what's with the algorithm is pushing. But to your point, there's actually has been talk, you know, earlier this year of the ROI, the return on investment, of we pour, as a church, all this effort into social media and then we drop it on a Facebook or on an Instagram where Facebook or Instagram really limits who's seeing it because of how engaged it is or isn't.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:29 And there was actually talk about should we even give up on social media. That was a very popular conversation around the water cooler. But the idea of giving it away to people, because while Facebook doesn't care about what your organization says, it cares about what your Aunt Ruth says.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:50 And the more that you can get, the Ruth to talk about it, the whoever it is within your community to use in and to talk about your church or organization, the better off that you will be. So the ability to crowdsource some of that and get it into the people so that they can be cheering for you, that they can be your, I mean, back in the day used to be Brand Ambassadors. Now we say use the word Influencers. Ultimately, you want them to be the hero of the organization to encourage others to access and share it. I mean, social media at some level, is like entry level evangelism. Now it's not completely deep and it doesn't take you to the finish line, but at least it's the one that's gonna get you off the starting line.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:39 But even then and look at that shift, and this is where the church should have made the shift a long time ago where corporations did. So yeah, corporations, I'm not saying that churches should pay brand influencers or ambassadors to do it, but the reality is, we should be encouraging our own people to make their own recordings, to take their own photos and to begin sharing them and doing that. So, you know, being in Miami and being a large church, we've got some folks who have a lot of influence here, both in Miami but also globally because of Hispanic television and movies and different folks. And so, you know, I'm more excited when they do an Instagram story then when we do an Instagram story and they don't do it well, right? Like just cause they're a star doesn't mean that they're great at video or they're great at photo but I know that more people are going to see their story, more people are going to see their photo or their post about our church for the positive than anything that we create. And we've got a great following on social media, it's not that, it's just that it opens us up to this larger environment. Now, once again, that's them leveraging a channel that they received. Why? Through work, through what they do for a living and now they're leveraging this great thing that they received through their workplace. Boom. They're leveraging it for the Gospel. Listen, anybody out there, anybody out there who's tuning in for TheChurch.Digital, I just want to encourage you, whoever is in your congregation, however many people, it doesn't matter how many people there are, the point is that you can resource them to reach their coworkers. And that reached can be much larger than just your Sunday morning reach. The influence that they have there is amazing. So encourage them, give them shareables, give them ways to do it. Tell them to take it. And even if they're friends never actually show up on Sunday morning, if they heard the gospel or if they heard the message, man, that's a discipleship win on a part of your congregant and also that's an evangelism win on the part of the person who heard.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:41 All right, so let's keep going down this conversation. I love this idea of shareables and as a, hypothetically here, as a new Christian, somebody, I'm passionate about helping reach people. I've got friends in the workplace. I can definitely tag somebody on a Facebook image or upload a graphic or a video, share an online service, that part's easy. What resources or coach me through here on, "Yeah, but what happens after the video? Like, I actually have to talk to this person. What do I, how do I talk to them? What do I talk about?" From a pastoral level, how do you coach people through that?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 21:29 I think the first easy question is, "hey, what'd you think?" Just start with that and hear them process whatever it was that they heard. Man, I completely disagreed with it. Okay? Don't get instantly offended, believer, don't get instantly offended. You know, oh, I completely disagreed with that guy. Then, why not? Why? Why did you disagree with him? Why did that happen? And keep the conversation going. Keep the conversation going. Now I understand, not all content is PC. Sometimes your content that you might be sharing, "Hey, Jesus is the only way to Heaven." Man, I completely disagree with that. Why? That just opens up the channel for conversation and you don't have to be Ravi Zacharias. What you need to do is, you just need to be a good relational person in that person's life. You just need to be somebody who cares. So just open up, "Hey, what did you think? What did you think about that clip?" I'm going through a hard time. Here's a clip of encouragement from my pastor. Hey, what did you think about it? Man, I needed to hear that right now. Here, is where I'm at. I'm going through a hard time. My wife's left me or this has happened and all of a sudden, "what did you think?" Just opens up conversation. It just does and then the next natural question can be, "Hey, would you ever like to join me in person?"
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:55 "Would you ever like to come with me to church?" I'd be open to that, or no, that's not really my thing. Okay, well then let's work down the workflow. If you get to a "no", all right, that's cool. Would you ever be down for at least coming over to my house and watching the rest of this talk? That just creates another opportunity or just maybe it's not even a personal invite like that. Maybe we don't want to bridge the work environment like that. Maybe we're uncomfortable with that. Hey, do you want to see the rest of this talk? Don't even call it a sermon. Don't call it a message. Just call it a talk. Do you want to see the rest of this talk? I'll never forget when I was doing youth ministry, I had, for some reason, this guy who was of the Islamic faith loved coming to our student gatherings. He just loved it and he wouldn't call it the sermon. He wouldn't call it the message, he would call it the speech and be like, "Man, you know, I really liked the speech" and I had to pause because I had to take off my Christianese hat and I had to reflect. Oh yeah, that's, what he would call it and so I have to just tweak the language a little bit to relate to them a little bit more. So if you have to call it the talk, the speech, whatever, the message. Use language that they're going to be comfortable with and then encourage them to just watch a little bit more, watch a little bit more, watch a little bit more. Hey, if enjoyed a two minute clip, you got to hear the other 30 minutes. How can I engage with it? Aha! Now this is where digital platforms come into play, right? Hey, we've got a youtube channel. Let me go ahead and send it to you. Hey, we've got a podcast. You can listen to it on the way home. I'd like that, but leave them with a next step, but then send it to them. Send it to them. Don't just wait and don't encourage them to go find it. No instead, you have a link, share it with them, and make sure, church leaders, give your people handles on how to do this. Make sure that they're equipped with the stuff. Okay? Don't just have people come to our website. Share your content as much as possible. Okay. Disseminate as much as possible and don't be afraid of where it lives. If it's in youtube, great. Youtube is the largest search engine we got, period. It's outpaced Google and Google owns them. Put it out there on your Youtube channel. Okay. Put it out there on podcast.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 25:02 Oh, there's a zillon podcasts, right? Okay. There's room for one more. There's room for yours. Go ahead and give your people handles on how to share content and then encourage them to do so. But if you don't tell them how to do it, they won't do it. Or as Craig Groeschel and Andy Stanley and Rick Warren have always reminded us, our people will only go to where we lead them. They can't go to a place where we've not led them to. So if you're not saying this from the pulpit, your folks aren't thinking about it on a regular basis. So give them handles on how to share content.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:33 I'm even going to push on that a little bit of a step further. You've got to model it. Have people, Pastor, even yourself, go, as far as, to show them specifically what this looks like, model this with your own accounts and have that be a reference. It's not an ego thing. It's using it to connect with people and utilizing the content that exists from our services in Rey's context, to impact and to change lives outside of the building. The value of what we're creating is not just the 40 minutes in the building. It's not just in the online broadcast. There's opportunities for that content to go even farther and be far more effective if our people see it and to see it, it needs to be modeled. People don't want to be the first. And what we're talking about here, while it sounds like it's simple, it's within church realms, it's not often done. And so this is an opportunity for you, Pastor, you, Communications Director, to model and experience what this is firsthand so that others can replicate it. Once they see it, they'll understand it better.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:48 Before you think that this is just for anybody out there who's listening to us and they think, "Oh, well this is just kind of a young people thing." No, it's not. My Dad engages with youtube more than anything else nowadays on television. He's constantly sending me links and sharing stuff and my dad's 63. Jeff, I've heard you talk about how your parents both engage in different social media environments and how they're constantly like sharing things, as well. This isn't just a, oh this would be great for student ministry. No, this is an everybody thing at this point. Okay. This isn't just for a particular young age group. Now we're talking about the spectrum, here. Now we're talking about folks who are empty nesters and, yes, we're talking about their college student. By the way, the empty nesters in your church, they want to reach their college student for Christ too, okay, they see what's coming behind them. They don't want a generation without Jesus. Why not give them the same handles? Hey son, pastor so and so talked about this this week while you're away at college, man, even if you've not connected to a church yet, why don't you see what he said about it? Instant shareable. This isn't just a young people thing, guys, this is an everybody thing, so let's take advantage of the sharables. Then, I don't want to get too much off of this, let's please take advantage of the workplace. Let's take advantage of the workplace and encouraging our folks to share content there because they've got the people around them and relationship is there.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:17 So what are some other options or ways to really target the workplace? I know we've got our sermon content, you know, there's always the RightNow medias and stuff like that to throw out to use, as hook it up to an apple TV, do a small group or a conversation there in like a conference room. What are some ways that we can start to impact the workplace for God?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:46 The Workplace Small Group, to me, is like the biggest ideal. That's something that we stole from Saddleback a long time ago and really we just started to equip some of our folks to take 15 minutes at lunch once a week, have a devotional, pray and invite anybody who wanted to be part of it, wasn't a forced kind of a gig. It was anybody who wanted to be invited to it could come and make sure you go through the right channels, go through HR and make sure you get all your checklists and what you can and can't do, etc., and go for it. We've partnered with organizations at schools, like FCA or First Priority Bible clubs, where this has happened for teachers, as well.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 29:28 Now it doesn't just have to be at the lunch hour. It can be before work, it can be after work, but, however you want to do that. It's not just, you'd be surprised, it's not just a place for Christians to have a holy huddle. Now, if you keep it that, if you never invite anybody to that or if you never encourage anybody to attend that, that's all it will be. But if you encourage the people in your congregation, hey, listen, this creates opportunity. We've got great content that we've already made for you so you don't even have to worry about creating a Bible study or whatever else, we've made that for you. Why not take a small clip and even, listen, pastors out there: just write three discussion questions for your folks or give them three standard discussion questions like the ones that I gave you. What did you think? Would you like to see more? Would you ever come with me? Those are just three easy questions that you can give them to just start the conversation, keep the conversation going and see what happens because the workplace it's needed. Now you can always encourage them to continue to be and they need to be. Each and every believer in our congregation needs to be a great worker. It doesn't mean that they have to be the best worker at the place? They might not be talented enough. They might not be gifted enough. They might be number two or number three in their office. That's okay. They can be the person who loves. They can be the person who encourages. They can be a person of integrity. They can be a lot of things where they're at, but we've got to teach them how to do it.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:49 We've got to preach towards that. We've got to encourage them to live that out. And also we have to model that as well. Something that we do at CF that I love, we'll encourage some of our own pastors to go and have lunch at the person's job. So not too long ago, I went to go visit Chuck Fraidy. He's a member at our Coral Gables Campus and, Chuck works with Royal Caribbean. I went to go down there and see him and I got to see him in his environment. I got to talk to him about how God uses him at work. It was awesome and I even got to give him some more ideas about what God can do with him at work. I love that. One of the ways that I started engaging with Chuck, Church Online. He's always, even though he attends in person, when he's out there in Royal Caribbean, out there on the crew stuff, he's also engaging with us on the go.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 31:34 And so it's great ways to encourage people. Just do it. Visit your folks, encourage them. Work is the mission field. It is. Do it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:43 Rey, what else you got?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 31:44 Jesus loves your coworkers. He does and you've got to remember that, Jesus loves the coworkers that are out there. The mission field in ministry is not just our folks coming to church on Sunday and we can't just talk about it in the sense of, hey, give invites to your coworkers. That's not enough. We've got a lot better content now that we can encourage our people to share, so let's not be afraid to give it to them. Let's give them handles on how to do that. Let's show them how to do it. In some cases, if you want to do a workshop online and record yourself on youtube, as far as, how some of these things go. Even if you want to share this episode and just send it to somebody and say, Hey, look, they talked about how you can reach Jesus in your workplace. Why don't you take some of these ideas and just see if any of them work for you and then talk to me about it and let's see if we can equip you to go. Go for it. You'd be surprised as to what could happen. Just give it a shot.
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and I'm excited about today's episode because I'm featuring someone that's more aggressive in technology than I am myself. It's rare when we find these people. I've been accused of being cutting edge, even bleeding edge technology and this person here has gone whole hog and I am excited to have this conversation with him. DJ Soto of VR Church, he literally plants a church in virtual reality, not a physical church, but a virtual church in virtual reality. He's been featured in Wired magazine, BBC, as well as, recently on Comedy Central. They did a shtick on him because he was baptizing people virtually, actually, doing the ordinances in VR and lives are being changed in VR and DJ's got these stories that he's sharing and wanting to talk about it and so here's just a little sneak peek of some of the stuff that I learned today.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:01 Yeah, there was a lot right there. That was beautiful. Thank you. But let's back up and kind of just fine tune some things. So, because you made the joke about the one hour on Sunday and that's the thing Rey and I talk a lot about on in this show. Where we're spending all our attention all our time, all our energies towards that one hour on Sunday and if you miss it, then you're a heathen. Whereas Christ came for us 168 hours a week, more of a discipleship ideology where it's more than just, you know, Sunday 9:00 AM. What does that look like virtually now? I'm going to confess, like I want to get the oculus quest. I've been waiting for that specific headset to come out. So my only point of reference in VR is like Stephen King's longboard man, that's all I got.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 10:56 The oculus quest - I like to show them with that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:57 Yeah. In context of, the one hour Sunday, you know, I see the video clips, I've read the article, I've seen the photos and most recently, Wired Magazine you had the thing. Most recently, I think it was Christianity Today was talking about the baptism of a person in VR and a lot of that, what I've seen but, and we can get there too, but in a discipleship perspective, like is some of that, the one on one or the one on four, the smaller groups, typical community, like what does that model look like in context of VR?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 11:32 Well, just to back up a little bit, it's kind of funny. You're talking about Wired and some other things. Most recently talking about baptism was comedy central with Trevor Noah, is that his name? That was pretty funny. I mean, obviously, they made fun of us quite a bit, but my favorite part was when they call me Pastor Morpheus, I was like, okay, I'll take that. That's a fun, a little statement there. Back when we did baptisms years ago. I'm sure we'll touch on that, but if there was a lot of, not a lot but a little bit of press about that and I didn't think much about it. I was like, when we did it, it wasn't on our radar that it would cause a little stir and obviously it did. And then we did another one recently and for some reason it blew up even more. Things like being on BBC and just calls from all over the world, to talk about what, cause it's another surge of people discovering virtual reality church. And so, I think for us, if I can back up, cause I know you're talking about like discipleship and community. Let me just talk about the hardware and the tech because I think people get the general idea about things. People get the general idea of what VR is but, you know, you put on this headset and this is the Oculus Rift S, this is the second, I don't know if it's second generation. It's like maybe a 1.5 of the original oculus and when you put this on and it really overlays a new reality over your eyes, which is hard to imagine. It'd be like if you put contact lenses in and it completely changed everything that you saw. And so when I look up and down and left and right, I see this whole immersive environment around me and perhaps your audience doesn't need this, but I found recently, that people still don't know what VR is. I was talking with like 50 or 60 pastors from maybe it was from the Pacific northwest and some guy raises his hand.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 13:32 He's like, is VR like a zoom call? I was like, no, it's not, let me start over. Right. I didn't say it that way. But the point is, I don't think people realize that you put this on and there's no shortage of like youtube videos of people reacting to it. Like jumping back, falling over. It does something that a brain that, I had a friend over here who put it on and a dinosaur was coming at her and she like freaked out. Like, you know, it's fake. But the virtual reality is so immersive that it tricks the brain into thinking that it's real. And so what you're going to hear a lot about VR is that it feels real and that's why people are reacting and freaking out. So you put that on you, you become an Avatar. These versions of the Oculus have touch controllers.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 14:17 So when I raised my hand, and this is important to talk about like discipleship and immersion, like when I raised my hand in the real world or we don't say real world, we say the physical world, because what we experienced in VR is actually very real. When I raised my hands in the physical world, my Avatar does the same thing as digital hands will raise up and we can waive, give each other high fives when I'm preaching on a Sunday, like they'll see all my gestures and they'll see my head turn. It's pretty crazy. This is the Rift S. It connects to a computer but this guy is the Oculus Quest. For VR enthusiasts we believe this is like the first mainstream VR device that everyone should get. This is like, you know, like the first couple of iPhones took a little bit of, you know, and kind of work out some things and you've got a really good functional iPhone.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 15:04 VR had, you know, it was compelling and an awesome experience, but it needed a few couple of tweaks and we think that this is going to be the one that really, I don't not necessarily say it's going to go mainstream, but it has the potential for it and it's definitely is so user friendly to be able to use this. And it's just as good as the Rift S that I showed you there. But so think about that. You're overlaying a new reality. You're creating avatars that are very lifelike and these avatars are getting more sophisticated. Like if you see some of my early images of VR Church, it looked like a Nintendo. Was it the wheezes, those me's characters, you know, talking about. So it kind of looked like that and things are evolving where some of the latest videos I posted, I wouldn't say hyper-realistic but very realistic skin tones.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 15:52 And at one point I think someone mentioned just a quick glance of the video, she thought it was real. And then you know, the brain like analyze and said, oh, this is a virtual thing. So it's crazy how it's going to be like that where you're going to walk. And I'm going to, you know, see Jeff just as he with is, if that's the Avatar he chose to be. So what that does for us in discipleship and relationships in VR is that we're able to have interactions. And so a very similar to like if you would have discipleship or a Small Group in the physical world. We do that in virtual reality and it feels real. That's the thing you're going to hear me say over and over again. And so when we get together, we have two small groups right now, one on Tuesday, one on Thursday led by different leaders.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 16:37 And so they'll get together eight to 12 people and then they'll create an environment. There'll be on the moon, there'll be in a forest though. That's a whole other world of VR to talk about these experiences that you can have. Yeah like if you're walking into a house for a small group and you greet each other, you say hello, you just have a conversation and you group up and talk. That's what's happening in virtual reality. There's really isn't much difference and the immersion makes it feel real. And I think it's a disruptive technology for sure. And there's a lot to say about that, but that's like the fundamental elements of how we do small groups. Sometimes they're impromptu prayer sessions or prayer meetings. One thing that we get criticism for, people say, "Well, won't people be fake because they're an Avatar? They're going to change their persona." And we actually found it to be the complete opposite because of the Avatar there is a sense of anonymity and with that anonymity came to deep authenticity. So it's nothing like I've ever seen before in ministry. I've been in ministry for over 20 years in some form or fashion, big and small churches. And the barrier for whether it's intimidation or fear of being judged, that barrier just melts away so quickly in VR and people. I mean, I can tell you story after story, my friend was watching you preach and he said, some kid started talking to me about suicide and I was like, he just met you. How was he talking to you about that? And I was like, yeah, you take that one little story and multiply it times 100 and something about the nature of the platform, the anonymity, the Avatar, just leads to deep authenticity. So discipleship, there's very little pretense. So, you know, as sometimes discipleship is trusting the person, developing that relationship, you know, that can be an intimidating thing and that does still exist. It's not that VR eliminates that, but for some reason it melts that away very quickly. So when it comes to discipleships, relationships, we're connecting, we're talking, and people are less afraid to just get to the heart of the matter of the heart of the issues. And that's really kind of, I don't know, magnified discipleship for us. And it's very beautiful actually to experience.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:56 The anonymity almost seems like, because of the Avatar to me, like the first thing that comes to mind is almost like the experience that somebody gets when they walk into a Roman Catholic church and they sit in a confessional and they've got a barrier between them and the priest. Right. I mean, does it seem like that where it's like, because a barrier exists, you have the ability to be more open with another guy?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 19:14 Yeah, I never thought about in that way, but that's a perfect example. I think that, there is a sense of protection. You know, they're not judging me for the way I look or who I am or who they knew me to be and, you know, in my town or whatever. I think that's a great way to put it. They just feel comfortable because there is a little bit of protection there and people want to talk about what's going on. You know, we kind of hide those things. And I joke around with my pastor friends, you know, I kind of like poked back a little bit and I said, "Well, I think people are coming to your church as an Avatar there. They're already projecting this best self into your environment."
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:49 Oh, don't go there.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 19:52 And so I poke back a little bit just for fun, but, it kind of makes a point that, we're all projecting something.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:01 The people who tend to come, is it a once or twice and they're gone? Is it like leaders, is their long term development where people, people are regularly engaging? Like I, you know, I started to use the word Avatar, but like what's the model for somebody that attends? Like what types of profiles do you see coming out?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 20:29 One broad idea is that it's one big experiment. We haven't established models or concepts that have been solidified. It's even constantly changing. Even recently, you know, we talked about, the comedy central and the BBC, stuff like that. Let me give you a physical church example. What's happened to VR church in the past couple of weeks, would be like, let's say you're a hundred person church, one week and then the next week you're a 300-400 person church. So that's basically what's literally happening right now and in real time. I think we're just trying to figure it all out. We thought we had it figured out, like, Oh, here's our large gatherings on Sunday and now we have small groups, we're good and if 300 more people come in. So now we're just scrambling to think about our systems and our structures about how can we shepherd people well? How can we connect them to discipleship or leadership if they want that?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 21:24 So we're in the middle of all that. As a matter of fact what's happened in the past 10 days is we're immediately planning two more churches. So we have two church experiences on Sunday. One for Europeans cause of a time zone, and one for North America. And then the influx of new people, we said we have to plant at least two more churches. And so that's what we're going to be. We're going to be, you can think of it, multisite. They're all going to have their different flavor and they're in different meta-verses, and I don't mean to try to complicate the conversation, but, so in the next three to four weeks here, we'll have four church plants in virtual reality.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:00 Now are you breaking up because 100 is like the preferred manageable number? Is that just like you building relationships? Is that a software limitation? What drove this immediate change?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 22:14 So, let me see if I can simplify the idea. It'd be like if we planted a church in New York City, and then Chicago was like, we don't have a church. Bring a church here. And we went to Chicago. There's different metaverses or different virtual reality cities. We've been in Altspace VR, which is a great platform but there's another one called VR Chat, which is, some of my latest videos have been coming from VR Chat with a realistic avatars and there's one called Rec Room. So we have these different virtual cities and we've only been in this one city. and you know, we always felt like people could come, but with the energy that's been coming, people are like, please come plant a church in our city. Please come plant a church on this side of the city.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 22:57 So it's not necessarily a technological limitation because we in theory can have as many people, hosted on our server in Altspace. We can have a hundred, we can have a thousand, we can have 10,000, theoretically. Then these other ones are asking us to come. So these other ones are different. There are different technologies, different platforms. So our altspace VR experience is going to be like a megachurch model, a large, music and preaching. The VR chat has technical limitations, but we can't have a thousand on a server. So for that one, we're going to go a house church model. We're going to start developing into house churches there. So I think we're in the middle of trying to figure it all out. And we're doing the mega church and the house church and it's interesting times. So I think you're catching us at a time where we're not overwhelmed but like definitely not, you know, model figured out yet. So, maybe next year it will look a little different. Yeah. So, that's good.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:01 Very cool. Now tell me this cause and I don't think you said this at the conference I met yet. Like how'd this come into your head? How did you make the jump from, Hey, I'm a pastor to, and you talked a little bit about church online, but there's still, it's a big jump from church online to, "Hey, I'm going to leave my business, I'm going to leave my job and I'm gonna, start planting this church where I'm going to preach and I'm going to put on these goggles and I'm going to engage with people in VR." Talking about unconventional ministry and doing things from a unique perspective when it doesn't necessarily make sense by how the world is looking like this is a big leap for anybody. How did you get to this place? What were the things that kind of God used in your life to get you to here?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 24:49 Yeah. So I'll give you this, like it's a two to three year journey. Let me give you that, like, you know, 60 second version, two minute version of it. Cause my wife and I were pastors at a mega church in Pennsylvania and I was one of the campus pastors. I did a lot of digital initiatives for them, with their own app, a native app, online. I used their online church platform to launch our own online experience. So different things like that and everything was great. We loved it. But it was about 2016 where I sensed something was wrong inside me. I couldn't identify those little turmoil and working through that discovered that God wanted us to go do something new and we had no idea what new meant. We thought that meant plant physical churches. So that's what we kind of, we sold our stuff and we got a travel trailer and we did a lot of massive radical tactical shifts in our lives to go into physical church plants and went to an arc church planning seminar and you know, we're doing all that stuff. It was about the same time where virtual reality came out and I experienced VR, I experienced social VR and social VR was crazy for me at the time because that's like ready player one or the matrix. Like you're in these virtual worlds with avatars. And when one Friday I was in there and just hit me, I was like, you know what, let's have a church service in here. This would be an amazing experience. So sure enough, that was a Friday. On a Sunday, I had my first church service in VR.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 26:18 The summer of 2016 and five people came to that event in which for a physical church planter, that'd be devastating if only five people came to your launch day. But for me, I was so excited. One guy who was an atheist from Denmark, he was like, man, I don't believe in God, but I'm curious to see what this is all about. And that really led to like some or a lot of the media attention where getting is because many atheists and agnostics come to VR church. And, that was kinda the beginning of it. And, so through 2016, it was just more of an experiment. Every other week or so, you know, I'd had the church service, you know, not many people had VR. I mean, this was like three years ago. So it's not even like now where it's still a low adoption, but even back then it was much less and we were doing services and sometimes people would show up, sometimes people wouldn't.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 27:10 So, but I would do the full service whether I'd preach, whether, someone was there or not. I wanted people to pop in expecting there was a service because VR is like that. People just kind of popping in and pop it out and it was about 2017 where the light bulb finally came on. It wasn't an overnight thing. It was a gradual realization, oh, we're not church planters in the physical world we're church planters in virtual reality. And that little shift, is really what kind of skyrocketed things. The energy in our community and the energy from our experience turned into a community. People from different, they were Christians from different part of the world would come and they're like, hey, we want to volunteer, we want to help. So it was kind of like an accidental church plant.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 27:54 I heard a church planter say that one time, and I didn't think much about it until it happened to us. It was like, "Oh, you're a leader, here's volunteers and I'm preaching and we're doing music and all right, let's do a small group." And then all of a sudden this church like existed and it was a beautiful thing and we just been developing leaders, building the church, launching new churches, all of that. So that's kind of the, I guess, three year bird's eye view of transitioning from a physical church plants to virtual reality, which is very, I probably would have to admit to you that was kind of like a little mental moment. Saying that out loud is kind of like, oh, okay, this is interesting. We're really excited about it and my wife and I have been amazed about what's happening in virtual reality and the ministry there. And, and I feel like we're just scratching the surface. So it's been a lot of fun.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:51 What percentage of people agree with you and encourage you and what percentage of people look at you like you're crazy?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 28:58 That's like an evolving number. Don't read the Youtube or Twitter comments for all these like Comedy Central stuff because that can get pretty, negative. People who know us and love us, you know, they might not understand it, but they just believed in us, like Carrie and I, and they just believe in our ministry, you know, we've done ministry with many of these people for a long time. So many of them don't get it, but they love us and support us. So from our circle, so to speak, there's a lot of support and a lot of encouragement and we've made a lot of new friends too that have really just been the wind at our backs. But certainly there is an energy out there that, really resistant towards the, I mean forget sacraments, like just the idea of an online only church and we're really not, it's really more of a virtual reality church. I think there's a big difference between something that's digital and something that's virtual reality. Not to complicate it, but, to go back to the theology of things, I think people are trying to take their digital ecclesiam and copy and paste it to virtual reality and can't.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:02 Let's unpack that cause that's interesting. So you would separate a physical churches expression of worship digitally, so broadcasting services online, you mentioned the Skype small groups, there's a separate, theological grounding for VR church? Go let's unpack that.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 30:23 Yeah, I think so. I guess there's many ways to come around it. And like I think many churches would say you couldn't have an online only church, like just completely online, forget virtual reality. Let's say you wanted to use the church online platform and you're going to have a church and you're going to have a Facebook group. I think it's a brilliant idea, but I can see most churches, coming to the conclusion that isn't proper, valid, functional, whatever you want to say, but enter virtual reality with the immersiveness of it and I think that changes the game. I think it's a different beast. And so I've had some people say, you know, this theologian is writing about virtual reality and with all due respect, but they've never experienced it because I think they're trying to take the copy and paste approach and that would make sense on the outside. I could see why someone would do that but once you experience it and experience virtual reality and then experience virtual reality church, it's completely different. So I've had critics come in, not many, but I remember one guy, he was super truthful. And he said, you know, I came in here, I thought this is going to be a joke. And, this is pretty amazing is what he said. And so you have people that on the outside have serious theological reservations. I actually had this pastor, I did a presentation in California and this pastor internally, was like, nope and I didn't know that. So I said, hey man, I'd love to have you come to VR church, come check it out. I had him actually come up on stage with his Avatar and represent his ministry.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 31:58 And afterwards he said, I want to do virtual reality. So like that little knowledge there is so important for us to communicate what our struggle has been. We can talk about it. I can show you pictures. I can show you images. I can, you know, cast vision all day long, but it takes two seconds in virtual reality for the brain, the light bulb to come on, for the, the spirit to illuminate, to the idea that you can have, a ministry in VR and as we do fully online or fully virtual reality ministry.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:34 Rey, I feel bad. I'm asking a bunch of questions. Let me ask this. In digital church, in Church online, and Rey may disagree, it's probably one of the top, one of the biggest issues we've got is this idea of consumerism. Is that church online is all we're creating is consumers, we're not creating disciples in the vehicle online ministry to move people from a consumer to a disciple. You know, they're not comfortable doing that in context of Ekklesia and theology and blah, blah, blah. What are the theological issues that you run into when you talk to people other than they don't understand VR, like theological, practical, other than just pure education. Or is education really it? Like, what's the major hurdle you overcome on a regular basis talking with people?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 33:22 Well, you know, I kind of pushed back a little bit in the sense of like, you know, I love the churches I visited across America. I've visited maybe hundreds. I love the church. I was a part of it. I wouldn't necessarily say I was like a disciple. You know that that one hour event is more just, it's very passive. It's not like you're going in there and have your expressing your gifts. There is aspects to volunteering. There is aspects to getting involved, but I think, you know, many churches I've been a part of who are doing a great job, there's still this element of assuming that their physical construct is doing it well or doing it right. I think you actually need to go back. For me personally to go look at the physical, how that's functioning. Are you, are you actually making disciples not to assume you have a building, you have an event, you have small groups. That's great from a like instructional point of view. But functionally and organically are, is that even actually happening? And then I would argue that when you can take a good hard look at some churches might come inclusion where we could do a lot better of a job. And so what I pushed back a little bit to that, it really kind of illuminates to what we're doing in VR. Not that it's perfect, but it's not, it's when discipleship that we have, when it's done in person and when it's, it's done in an immersive way and people kind of experienced that it's very beautiful. So those interactions are spirit to spirit, a person to person. And so yeah, I think just kind of, for me it's challenging. Well, let's not assume that what's happening physically is done well. It's kind of take a look and then let's apply that also into virtual reality.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 35:01 That's good. You know, DJ, as folks kind of dive into this, I think what a lot more of them will start to realize is how much consumerism actually happens in the physical environment. Right? And so, how are you guys as part of your service, like walk through like somewhat of a surface structure as far as how you guys bridge that gap and get to the community portion for the person who's coming home?
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 35:26 Yeah. And then real quick like how, what would be, just to clarify, like when you say consumerism, what would someone say would be an example of that?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 35:35 It's typically like I sit down and I just absorb content. So I sit down and I just get preached at or you know, hey we sing some songs, I listen to a sermon and then I'm out. And I don't really make any kind of personal connection. I don't have any kind of personal ties or even in the least. Right. Like some churches consider this like in the least of a step, I didn't even fill out a card or I didn't even submit like some kind of next step or anything like that.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 35:58 So I just want to flush it out a little bit. Cause I remember the argument for a long time ago. I just haven't been in it for a while. So would have church assume that they're doing it right and the attendee is doing you're wrong. Is that the assumption as well?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 36:15 Yeah. So the churches start off with that construct, right? Like we're doing everything we can. And I remember Ed Stetzer to wrote about this and Jeff, you love this article. Ed Stetzer talked about how we can instruct our churches like we do theaters in a sense of one person is exercising his gift and he stands on the stage and everybody else just sits there and just absorbs. And we assume that the body is taking place because one cell is active, but the rest of them are dormant during that time period.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 39:46 I'm not delivering a sermon from the stage. I'm walking around and there's scripture in the sky, I'm talking about it and we'll go on the boat and we'll talk about, you know, what's happening with Peter. We all cross the Sea of Galilee and went to where Jesus was cooking the fish and the bread. And we talked about that. We had a little sheep there for when Jesus talked about, you know, feed my sheep. So, for us it's very experiential. So people are walking it, in these worlds, kind of like, like Inception, Leonardo Dicaprio and Ellen page, you know, they're building these worlds with their minds. It's very similar to what we do. I think people are pleasantly surprised about it because people come in thinking, not to be negative towards stage sermons, but people come in thinking, oh, this is going to be a stage sermon for 20 minutes. But then they find out we're just walking all together through these experiences. That is what people have been saying about VR is that we're leaving the information age and we're entering the experience age. And that's, VR and AR.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 40:48 My wife's a teacher and we talk about all the different styles of learning. Are you discovering a new style of learning with this? Because this immersive environment just sounds so perfect for different styles of learning to take place. In it so much, you know, you're making the scriptures come alive for people in such a way that, that they can experience it, that they could see it, that they can borderline feel it in such a way, that it's not so much that it's real to them, but it's just a different, it's a very different way to experience the Bible that you're talking about here which I just think is amazing.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 41:18 Yes, for us it's new and I don't think we like discovered in declared it. I think it was more of a subtle thing. We just kind of just happened into, so I think what it does is it just imprints it, that memory in a different way. So, you know, like you might watch a movie, right? And you might watch a movie, you might remember it, maybe you'll have dreams about it, but virtual reality now creates a new imprint on your brain where everything is in 360. So, when you remember the scriptures, the sermon, you actually walked on the boat, you actually were by the Sea of Galilee, you saw the fire cooking there. There's the sheep. And so there is a new aspect of memory and education and experience that I think is imprinting the narrative of the Bible at it in a different way that we haven't seen before. So it's interesting.
  
  
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  DJ Soto: 48:39 It'd be like if there was only one church in New York, I think I alluded to that earlier and like it wouldn't make sense that that even would be a thing. And certainly church planners would go there and that's what church planters do. They look and see where is the need, where is there a low amount of churches? And as far as digital and online and virtual reality, the lowest like engaged is virtual reality. So we do need churches. We do need online ministers to engage that space. It's gonna be crazy because the technology is only, I mean, this is, you know, it's a big device. It's comfortable, but it's not like, you know, you can stick it in your pocket thing like the thing with, like a smart phone.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 51:31 DJ, I hope we can have you back. I've still got so much more that I want to learn and listen in and look forward to checking out more, through this. Just like Jeff, I can't wait to get a headset and start diving in and seeing more about what you're doing this.
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Well, I'll tell you what, listening audience, I'm excited about this episode. We've got Jate Earhart and I promise you, you've never heard of this kid before, but he's awesome. So he hit me up through the website for the first time, never heard of him. I just get this form through the website that says, “Hey, I run a discipleship ministry for video gamers and I'd like to talk to you” and I'll tell you right there I paused. Discipleship ministry for video gamers. Like I don't know that I've ever seen those words together on the same page before and it made me want to talk to him as soon as possible. And I did and I got to tell you, I was really impressed. Talk about unconventional ministry, right? This kid is literally doing discipleship, teaching people to share their faith so that they can reach into the video game community using tools like Discord and if you're like me, I barely knew what Discord was and this person, Jate is literally doing this, is discipling others to share their faith through video games like Xbox and playstation. Like, how awesome is this? So you're going to love this episode. Talk about a crazy idea, look for a unique perspective in how to do biblical community, how to create a discipleship community. This is it. Here's Jate Earhart, myself, and, of course, Rey DeArmas, from Christ Fellowship Miami on how to create a discipleship community for video gamers. Here's Rey.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 01:26 When I'd heard what you've been doing, I was just blown away because I'd seen kind of a vision for this and seeing the community gather just from the little bit that had seen online. Yeah. I love to game, but I'm not like in the community like this, but I knew that there was such a strong pool that if other people could see what you're doing, you know, my prayer is that this inspires them for what could be, you know, some people are just not going to get it. But if at least they can get a vision for it, there are people in my community with passion for this and I can empower them or by doing the same thing. That to me is the big win.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 01:54 Right. I agree. It is just like, it's people, you know, like it's the thought of like, this is a group of people that have been almost pushed out of church at some point in time because like I know I grew up with, I grew up with like Atari Games because my parents weren't sure about gaming. It was like, "Ah, I don't know that might be from the devil. We haven't decided yet." Like, and so, they had an Atari, but it was like, we don't think we want him to play games because I don't know, my dad was a church planner and my mom was a worship leader and so they both were like, "yeah, this is, we're not sure, and since we don't know, we're just going to err on the caution side." Kind of the same way people did with movies and stuff.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 02:51 And so, that's where the rule of like you have to beat the game started was Atari because Atari was way before my time, way before my time, but it was before my time. Right, but that's what I grew up with was Atari. I played Atari because my parents weren't going to buy anything new and so I had a whole suitcase of Atari Games, so I've probably beaten more Atari Games then like most people have beaten Atari Games. I played through like ET, that game sucks. I've beat it.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 03:28 One of the worst games of all time. Yeah, no, it's terrible.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 03:34 Awful game. It's an awful game. And like the goal, like you go down to the pit and then you gotta like stretch your neck out and you're like, go back up and it's orangy like half of the game. It's so bad. But like that game, like I figured out how, I don't even know how I figured out how to beat that game. You know, there's like the glitch in a adventure and stuff like that and joust, we played a joust all the time. That's kind of where I convinced my dad that it was good because we would play together mode and it was like, you know, okay I see community here and stuff. And as we went then people would kind of gift us systems. So I'm like 27, but like the games I played in gaming terms was like Atari. And then I played Sega and then I played Nintendo and got Zelda and I got a game boy when it came out. And it was like I've gone through the whole process from the actual start to the end where we're at now in the order, probably more better than most people have at least for sure my age. Cause people just were like, yeah, I had a 64 from the time I was young, you know, it's like, "oh, okay, well I didn't deal with that." I had, you know, Spiderman and Pitfall, you know, or whatever.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 04:49 What kind of community are you seeing come out of this? Because it's kinda crazy to imagine that people not only are jumping into it, but really making it something where they're talking about it and, and it's introducing like this whole new space where they can move and interact and be, and be themselves, which is great.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 05:07 Yeah, community-wise, we're seeing a ridiculous amount of community. We are seeing it any way because it's like a natural thing, I think. When people do something they love, especially something that is already geared towards multiplayer is something that's already geared towards like interaction. You're going to want to interact with other people. I think it's kind of natural. Like we see groups of people that they want to talk about movies and that makes sense cause like a lot of stuff happens in movies, but when the actual thing is interactive by nature and multiplayer, I mean, it's like, of course you're going to see community like you should, you totally should. It just makes natural sense. But, the community that we're building is a very positive environment but it's also a very open chat. And I think like our original goal was it for it to just be really, really positive and it's moved more into like, what people need, at least the people that are in our group. Because like I was saying, there's no one like you can go with one thing in mind and just, you know, this is what's needed and what people really need was just open, like people being willing to hear what they're saying and accept it as like a human emotion or the way that they feel and it, and it's like, yeah, I acknowledged that what you just said has worth and, thank you for like letting me hear that, you know? And that's such a small thing, but, like it's funny because when we're talking about like, when I'm thinking about positivity, did you watch the Mr. Rogers movie?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 07:19 Not yet. I love Mr. Rogers so much. Ah, man, that had an impact on my life. I call him, Fred, as if it like we're boys, but he was fantastic growing up. Yeah, go ahead.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 07:31 That's how I feel about it, it's like, he's super positive, but just being positive isn't really what he did. Instead it was like he would talk to kids like they were more than just, you know, just a thing that was there or whatever it is. It was like, I care about you, like what you're saying is important and I want to understand you. That's like something that I don't know if it's lost in our community because there's a chance that, you know, perception or whatever, but I feel like we really have lost the art of hearing people, you know, it's like listening is one thing, but then like actually hearing and taking in and saying like, what you have has values is lost. And especially in the gaming community where you hear so much input, you know, it's like ads almost. It's just people talking. You've joined a lobby for like five seconds and meet somebody and then you land and die and you're like, "alright see ya", you know, and you never have to talk to them again. And it just becomes a burned in your mind that these are just noises in your game and they're not actual people. So I think that's kind of what we're trying to break past is like, no, like you are a person and let's actually have community and not just 30 seconds in a game and it's been really good.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 09:01 How are you helping bridge that gap in terms of community and all that stuff?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 09:06 Hmm. Yeah, it's hard. Honestly, the hardest part is how do you like reach people that need that? Cause once you can connect with them, that it's like cool, like now we can talk and we can do that thing, you know. Our community is, well at the time of this, it's like 670 people or something like that, and it's gotten really big. But the actual "community" is probably closer to like 50, you know, because a lot of people join and they'll talk maybe every once in a while, they'll just kind of look in and that's fine but then there's like people that every day this is like their new Facebook, you know? I don't like saying that because it's like you don't want to replace anything. But, for a lot of people, Facebook has gotten kind of the epitome of what I was talking about where it's this echo chamber of, you know, algorithms will help you find the things that give you the type of things you care about.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 10:15 And so it's just like, you never get another opinion. It's just, here's the things you care about because they're the people you followed. And so if you do see a bad opinion, you're going to post your little rants or whatever. And then if you don't want to reply after that, you don't have to because you can just say what you want to say and you leave. And with a chat room it's very much more, you see what's the last thing said? And at any point in time somebody else could join and have just as much say as the next person, especially in the way that we have it set up. I deleted it, but we had colors for like mods had a color, admins had a color, like different colors to dictate hierarchy in our structure and at least for the time being and for the last three years that's all been removed.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 11:09 So it's every person has the same though, but I do have is a level system. So the more that you talk, the bluer your name turns. It kind of starts at like more of a dark blue and then it turns to like a lighter blue the longer that you're in the chat that you've been talking. So that way you can kind of get a gauge of this person has influenced because they talk more. And that's just to encourage other people to actually engage and that way it's less of a, "this person has power over you because you know, they have the word admin or this person cause they have the word mod" and it's more like the real world where, "okay, if you want more influence, like just, just talk to people more." And, so that's kind of the thinking there.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 11:55 But yeah, I mean that's really the base of our community is very simple. At least at the start we were 50/50 Christian, non Christian. I would say that's pretty fair. At least that was our understanding and we talk to people and we're very open. We had a channel for prayer, had a channel for encouragement where we would release videos. We saw like a stair step system. I don't want to jump too much, but we saw a stair step system where people are going to need different stuff. We talk about like next steps in church a lot and so it's like, what does it look like for people to take the very first step? That might be to just talk to somebody who is a Christian, like not even anything beyond that. Then if you talk to someone who is a Christian, then your next step might be to that person to mention something that's spiritual so you understand where that person's at spiritually. There's something called the five levels of communication and we would talk about those and it's like, you know, first there'd be a base level communication and then maybe you'd have something that was a personal, like something, what does your Avatar mean? And then it's like meaningful, usually it's something bad that's happened in your life, what are you dealing with? And that's kind of the prayer would take that. What could we be praying for you. And then if you, I mean, if you're in a prayer channel, and then we'd ask you probably about your spirituality. That's not even the last one.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 13:35 That's just where are you at spiritually and a lot of people feel like they relate to spirituality, but they may not relate to even a god, they'll just say, yeah, "I feel very spiritual". And it's like, okay, well can you dig into that a little bit? I feel like that's a term today we've taken and then the fifth one is gospel. So we'd say like this is where you'd share your faith or so on. We think about those and like stairsteps and it's like, how do we get people to the next step as they're going? And the encouragement channel was sort of that tipping point where it was a video that was based on a game and whatever the game was and then we'd have like videos or a section at the end that would kind of relate it to something in the Bible or not even always to something in the Bible, sometimes it was just here is something that like, this is why it's helpful to be positive, here's a way of thinking about mental health or whatever. And sometimes it led itself to a Bible verse and sometimes led itself to just here's like the truth of it, you know. Those are kind of some of the things we've tried.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:59 So what you basically have there is the discipleship process. Like did you come up on that with your own, did somebody coach you through that? Like what did that look like?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 15:09 No. I mean for me personally, New Life, the church that I attend full time and I've been working there full-time for four years now and they're really good. Their process at least in the time whenever I first joined, by the time I had joined, they were already doing Exponential. It's like a church planter conference. The Executive Pastor there, before I was there, the Executive Pastor left just start Exponential, Todd Wilson. Then they continued that understanding that the best way to reach lost people is to start new churches. And so they have, something like 13% of all of our tithes and offerings goes to starting new churches. So we've continued to do that. We've also been pushed more into, the same way exponential has, it's the multiplication idea. To multiply, you have to make disciples that make disciples, that start churches that plant churches. And so through their staff meetings over the last couple of years, especially as we've moved more into discipleship, they've taught a lot of strategies, but they've emphasized that it's been not about the strategy, you know, but the heart of it. I've always seen it through this view and I already know my ministry before we started in this. So it was really like, as I'm hearing it and I'm writing stuff down, like, okay, how can I immediately apply this to what I'm already needing it, you know. So that's been really, really helpful.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:02 Now let's, let's just unpack this a little bit, cause you've got your ministry, right? So this video game ministry, is this through New Life? Is this attached? Like where, walk us through the genesis. You kind of fast forwarded, which is awesome. 670 people. Like walk us through day one. Where did this thing start with?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 17:24 No, so it started. Me personally, I can remember where I was driving actually. I'd been praying for six months with my small group that I wanted something that had more purpose. It felt like it connected more the dots because I felt like I was just kinda going through the motions. I wasn't working a church at the time, wasn't doing anything like that. As I was praying about this stuff, I remember where I was, where I felt like God just said, you know, what about a game church? And I almost crashed because I was just like, that's such a crazy idea, but it like makes sense. Like immediately it was like this, just all of that makes so much sense for so many reasons. And so I googled "game church" and there was one organization literally called "Game Church" and I joined it and I emailed them and I think they were kind of like, "okay, you know, whatever." It was a Facebook group. They went to, and they still do, they went to events like, Pax. I ended up going to Pax West and they would set up a table, hand lanyards and tell people Jesus loves you. I mean, it was very, very basic. It was just like, we don't want to go too far into any of this. And that was really good. And I was a part of that Facebook group. That's a big group, that's bigger than this is. They did that for years and eventually I started to notice that I could only get so far with people, like communication wise, we weren't really seeing any, you know, not that baptism is like the epitome of everything. Sometimes you plant seeds and the idea was to plant seeds in this group, but I couldn't see a logical connection of like where people would go on that, you know?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 19:33 And so it was like I'm seeing a need and so I was an Admin of this, of this group. Like I was really into it and so I wanted to go a little deeper. And so I built and we started this discord, and with other people in Game Church. It was a Game Church type thing. And the thought was in the Facebook group, we had a policy to not talk about overly religious things. This is a religious group. And the idea was that we don't want to push people away that are joining from that community because they see it for the very first time. It's just like this crazy over the spiritualist thing. But the problem is that also kept us from being able to go deep with people and the things if they wanted it, and we couldn't tell if they wanted it or not.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 20:24 And then we just seemed like we weren't any different than just a normal gaming group, you know? And so, where's the difference? This just started to happen, and we notice all this stuff and so we said, "If that group is the lobby, the lobby of a church or whatever, then we needed a place that actually that would be the like outside area." We needed a lobby. We needed a place that people can actually come to and talk with each other. Just posting a Facebook message and then somebody else posting underneath, like, I'll never get a deep conversation that way. I might get one string of thought, but like I need, I need more than that if I'm going to have a conversation with somebody, like this conversation we're having, imagine how long that Facebook thread is and we're doing it in an hour.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 21:13 It would take all day. You know, it's just, it's not fast enough We started a discord and people started to talk and it was really good for a long time it was like me every other message to just keep the conversation going. I felt like a human AI for awhile. It's like, you know, submit a word and I'll submit one back, you know, or something back. And it was kind of slow, but as it started to build and build, we got more and more people I could kind of leave for a little bit and other people would, you know, respond and it's just slow, but as it builds up. So that's where it started.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 22:03 We had a point in time though where there was a huge falling out with admins, leadership. Honestly, it was specific leadership in Game Church and has happens, so we just decided along with a couple of other people, we're going to break off and we're going to do a separate thing. We became Love Clan, which is something that the name kind of started from like a call of duty clan called love clan, back when I worked at another church and so it was just like alright, we'll go that direction. Another group became Love Thy Nerd and they're really cool, doing kind of the same thing. They're great. They're super great. Should looked them up too. Lovethynerd.com and they do a sort of more a blog style, where they'll come up with articles that are specifically geared towards gamers in the nerd culture. They'll put kind of a Christian spin on it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:06 So wait, I've seen that. Wait, we seriously like the love thy nerd, the blog. Yeah I've read that. ah. So that's kind of in the same species?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 23:16 Yeah, we were all at one point in time we were all together, so we were all in Game Church. We split, actually the guy that really ran the Game Church side of things is now running the Love Thy Nerd thing. So there's a lot of similarities probably between what Game Church and Love thy Nerd are. And then ours was because we already had a community that was even separate from the Facebook thing cause we were doing gaming events and stuff like that. It's kind of like they focused further in, and we were a very outreach group. Game church was very outreach. Obviously we would go to conventions and hand stuff out and all that and I wanted more of the like personal, intimate connection stuff, more discipleship like you're saying. So we did the discord and they became even better I think at what they were doing as far as the outreach and Game Church took on different management and so Game Church is continuing doing what they're doing. For me, it feels like a forced, like God forced us to multiply. Like this thing happens, you know what seemed like it was bad is actually going to turn out for good. And now there's three groups and we only had one, you know, so it's a great thing in the long run at the time obviously it hurt, but now we have a group that's really good at outreach and like we're getting pretty good at discipleship and yeah, it's good.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 24:51 This is amazing Jeff, could we actually be talking about our very first online church split? You know what I'm saying? Like times in the past like, hey, a church has a youth ministry. Youth Ministry wants to take it to a certain area, those folks grow up and all of a sudden, you know, the leadership that's in play is like naw, we're not going that direction, we're going this direction. Next thing you know, you've got two churches and both of them, you know, well meaning reaching their community, doing great gospel work. But there was just a disagreement. There was a Paul and Barnabas moment where it was split. We don't get along, but God used that at the end of the day. This is fascinating. It's great.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:26 Like and Jate, you've mentioned, this the first time I met you, like I've at least virtually, I met you, I think you hit me up a website and we started talking. Virtually counts. But you were talking, and the thing that I was like, man, I gotta talk to this guy because you used the words video game ministry and discipleship in the same sentence. And I'm like, okay, anybody's using video games like Xbox, PS4, you know, like I just got to understand this. And discipleship means so many things like the label itself. And so like, let's, let's put some tangibleness to this. What does discipleship look like in context of video gaming of the people that you're reaching? Like what is the goal if you have a process, what's the goal of your process to help?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 26:15 Sure. You're right. That is a thing like I mean we could talk forever on what does disciple actually mean because there's full books that are like, yeah, I got it down. And then like you go to the next store down and they're just like, nope, totally different thing. You know, I've heard, the original word for a disciple would be like a learner. Like somebody who learns. I've heard an apprentice, you know, is the word disciple, it's one that we've taken more of a Christian term now. I usually tend to lean towards seeing disciple as somebody who hears and follows God. that's, that's the definition that we use at New Life. So it's in there somewhere, it's someone who hears and follows God and wants to continue learning about God and teach others to learn about God.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 27:11 So it's something like that, you know? So I think with that in mind, that's where I go to is like, how do I have processes that help me,, help people hear and follow God in a new way. But also help people learn about God. Maybe if they've been shut down to it. How do I have that work? So there are lots of different ways to do that.If you, I know we talked last time a little bit about three circles. Uh, yeah, that's, it's uh, Bill Smith. and Jeff McDaniels, those are two names. Definitely look up t for t is a book that we put out at, at uh, wealth. Yeah. So look those up, those are really good t for T. but those, those ideas, it's like how do we take the strategies that churches are, are using to train disciples?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 28:13 How do we take those things and bring them into an online space? And it's, it usually happens organically and I say it happens organically because God works in organically. God, God will, will do things in ways that are like completely not natural. and, and it becomes natural when over time. So like by praying for God, I had it to go ahead of us. He does, you know, and a lot of times it's like, okay, I have tools. God, I'm prepared. Just let me speak boldly. If you put something in front of me, I'll be ready for it. And then it happens. And like can't emphasize enough the importance of prayer in this thing. because I would pray. So just, I'll do, I'll do a, an example. I I did a destiny raid. The like really long destiny has these rates that are like, oh man, sometimes three hours, if you're doing it the first time we can go even longer.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 29:16 That's first time I did the vault of glass. Took me like seven hours I think, cause it was like the first time you're doing it and you have to do it with a group. So you take like six people and you all go and try and do this thing and you just all shut your schedules down for like the rest of the day. And and so we did this thing and while you're doing it, you're not really talking because you're having to communicate. It's very in depth. very mechanically specific of what you have to, it's a puzzle. it's like a three hour puzzle and I, you know, I completed it with this group of guys, these random people I found online and at the end this guy was just kept talking and like everybody else was like, hey, thanks for the run.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 29:59 Really good, nice to meet you guys. And then it'll leave in the chat. And and this guy just kept talking like, yeah, hey, thanks guys. Yeah, you know, I got work in the morning, but I, you know, yeah, I work at this place down the street, you know, asked is how it goes. And it was just like, like just really wanted, I guess, communication or something. And so I stuck around in the chat and I'm like looking for a way to leave, but it's not happening. And before I know it's just him and I together in the chat. And uh, and, and so I was like, I got, I don't, I don't know, this is kind of like a weird place to whatever, but let's, you know what, let's just go for it. And so I asked him, you know, well, what do you do?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 30:38 and he said, I am a, well, I'm, I'm in the, uh, air force or something like that. And I was like, oh, cool. You know, w w what do you do? Oh, well I work at a church and that's usually an in for me cause I can just, Oh, I work at a show. What kind of church, where do you, you know, so on so forth. And that conversation, he, he basically said, oh yeah, well there's, there's actually a bunch of churches, uh, in our, in our place where we're at, uh, in the, I don't, I think he was, does like flight flight stuff. I don't know if he actually flew or whatever, but he was saying, yeah, there's, there's lots of, different churches. And I've been trying all of them, but I was just wasn't sure what to, you know, how to, what to make of them and like, which one to go to.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 31:22 And so we were able to like literally go into here's like the Bible and a three, three circles. And then so and so forth. I mean, we did this over chat and and then he left and I've seen him a couple of times and chat here and there, but it was just like that, that felt like planting a seed, you know, like that's, that's a seed more than just Jesus loves you. And like, yeah, everybody had already heard that or whatever before. but the, the same thing, I was like, that was pretty crazy. And then the next time I did a rate, the exact same thing happened. And I was like, I got this. I mean, this is just wild. Like the exact same thing. And so I was just like, whatever, God, okay, what do you do? Right. That's some of the same thing.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 32:04 And he said, oh, well, I'm a carpenter. And I was like, oh my gosh. Like this is a softball one. Like urban area, you know, like, yeah. So it happens. I mean, it really, you know, it's like, come on, that was easy. yeah, but that, that's the, so the online, the, the end game stuff, we're, we're figuring that out. It doesn't always happen, but it's an openness. Uh, like once you, it's the same thing. I don't tell people when they're, they're learning discipleship that it's like, okay, the end goal of this is that you go to the mall and you find somebody and then you convert them or whatever like that that may happen and that's really good when it does. But I want you to like pray about this and have God show people in your life that like oil costs, you know, like who are the people in your sphere of influence currently that you can be, you can be talking to.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 32:59 And uh, the, the thing for the online game industry is it's like you're already talking to these people. I just want you to be hearing what God's saying. If you saying anything and if it shows up, then like, go for that, you know? and that's what we're trying to get people to, to understand. So I don't know if there's a strategy for that one as much, but the, there's definitely a strategy for how to reach people to get to that stage. Like Christians that maybe haven't seen their games as something they could use this ministry. And, for me, it's taking the versus seriously that say in everything that I do glorify God. You know, like that includes my gaming. Like that includes my personal time and my entertainment time and it's not, yeah. On Sundays from, for one hour. Like that's where I glorify God. It's, you know, it's, it's everything. It's my whole life. So, uh, yeah.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 33:58 That's powerful man. How, how then are you encouraging other people to kind of take on the same thing? Because I imagine there's a lot of people in your sphere, like you're saying, that have a passion for gaming and they see the potential for its ability to reach people for Christ or even to disciple folks. So how does that transition to the next person, not just from you, the leader?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 34:15 Yeah, so we have a core group, in love clan and those are kind of the people that, they've identified themselves as people who are just active in that community. but they're also like spiritual leaders through people that, uh, are, are almost plants in our group that like if they see an opportunity, they're going to hop on it. we talk about like wolf pack of just when somebody new joins you wolf pack them, you know, like you're just like, yeah, I it going, yeah, just to fill up, like flood them with love this so often that people join and just leave immediately. It's like, ah, now what? I was looking for it, you know, but if like eight people are like, hey, how's it going? Hey, how's it going? It's like, okay, well, I mean like, I feel really connected already and I just joined.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 35:00 So, like that kind of, uh, getting that stuff, that, the basics, that's a good, that's a starting place. having people feel like there's a community. But, uh, with our core group, we've talked about these things being intentional and all this stuff. I, you know, I've been talking about, those are things we'll talk about in our core group. and for the very first time, this has, this has been really good. Uh, Tuesday actually, which is why I'm kinda like gotta be delayed this Tuesday was our, our very first Bible study. so we did a Bible study online. actually some of the stuff, uh, Jeff that you had shared in a, uh, a post about somebody else that I did a similar thing. yeah, so we were like, we're reading through that. I shared that with our group and they were like, yeah, this, this is encouraging.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 35:52 Like we need to do this stuff. And and so it was really like, this is actually where it's, where it's kind of Nice. The limitations help us in this way. A discord currently has a limitation of 10 people to a voice channel. So it's kind of like zoom in and it's the same. We could do a voice channel or we can do a video channel and we can talk and all this. Uh, but with discord the Max is 10 people and you can talk as long as you want and you don't have to pay for it. So zoom has like a 40 minutes, you have a limit or something or you have to pay for it and you have to do certain, there's certain limitations. as long as it's 10 people, you're totally unlimited with discord at least currently. So our, yeah, and so that, there you go.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 36:38 10 people is the Max for our small group and we're doing, we'll do a video chat. And so our, the, the push there for discipleship, for multiplication literally comes from a currently technological, you know, people, they don't realize that it's more than that. I want one that small group to be more than 10 people anyway, but I can blame it on like, hey guys, like I, you know, sorry, we literally can't have more than 10 people. There's other people out here who want to have this, what we're having right now, a discussion. And so, and so like, I, I need you guys to lead this group. So either I can go and I smart it started another group that's at another time or you know, you guys lead this group, test it, we'll do the, like, uh, so last week was the first one and at the end of it I told them, Hey, I'm going to do this one more time, but I need you guys to like be watching because I literally, we, we filled that group that like, there was seven this week, but there was already 10 planned.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 37:37 And the other slots were people that said like, Hey, I can't this week cause I finals, but I need to like, I'll be there next week or, or you know, stuff like that. And so we have 10, like we're at 10. And I didn't, I messaged like 12 people. Maybe it was like immediately people were like, oh, we're into that. Like, yeah, we want to be a part of that. That's something that we're interested in. So, I mean, we got 10 immediately and I have a whole list of names of people that I probably could message and fill another group right now. so I just need like another, another leader. And uh, so the, this group, I said, I'm going to let you guys watch, watch what I'm doing. It's going to be, uh, you watch, or I do you watch and then I do you help.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 38:20 And then you do, I help. And then you do Iwatch. And by then, you know, four weeks from now or whatever, we should have another leader that has done it at least enough times. or we can swap, have a of different people do it. And uh, and then like, okay, we're going to go do another group. Does somebody want to go do one or are you guys gonna stay here? And then I'll go do one. and just kind of leave that open. So I mean, the thought is it really just multiplies to the point that, you know, as people catch on and realize that it's really not hard. Aye. I purposefully take less time planning. This was really big with our, and just stop me at any point. The, the, the Tuesday group, I purposefully take less, less time planning it than I do doing it because it's not a sermon.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 39:11 It's not a, it's just a discussion. Uh, and so I, I don't want to take too much time in, and planning it because then it'll just be that in less of a discussion. And so when we do it, I just have post it notes. and this is another thing learned from, uh, I think it may be in t for t, but it's definitely something that new life taught from whoever that, you know, I wish I could get the original person really like Bill Smith. Uh, he's done a ton for us. But the, the idea of a five questions and it's what is this, uh, when reading through the Bible, what does this say about God? What does it say about people? What does this say about you? What are you going to do about it and who are you going to share it with?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 39:57 Those are like five questions. And, uh, as I'm reading through the chapters that we're going to talk about, I just have sticky notes on the side and I literally write God question mark and I put it on the sticky note. Like on that, that section, if I feel like that's a section that talks about what is this, what does it say about God? Or if it's a section that's like, oh, this is really weird about people, what does it say about people? Or if it's like kind of deep, it's like, what does it say about you? And, and then I'll just go through the Bible as we're going and like read the sticky notes and like this is the section that sticky notes connected to. So I guess read that section and it takes me that as much time as it takes to just read those chapters.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 40:36 I planned for, we're using, if you know Tim Mackey, he, he does the Bible project, those like, well he has, he has a group now, the Bible project, but it was started by Tim Mackey. He was lead pastor at a door of hope church and Portland and they have animated videos that are like perfect for visually showing stuff. So we'll like watch the animated videos. right now we're going through acts so it's x one through seven and that was my plan was that we'd get through acts one through seven because that was what we got through when we did. I did a small group of young adults, small group locally. And so the plan was to just, okay, since we'd already done this young adult small group locally, it be really easy to just do that with the online one and then I don't have to think about it as much.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 41:30 And we were going to do one through seven and uh, I had all these notes, you know, I want to make sure that we don't like run out of content and stuff like that. We talked through chapter one, it took us an hour to get through acts one. We got through two of my post it notes and one of them said, what does it say about God? And one of them said, what does it say about people? And that was literally it. That's all for this for small group. That's all we got through for an hour and a half. and it was like, okay, you know, like it's so easy to think like this is going to be really hard to do. I can get myself in my head. That's starting a small group is going to be a ton of my time and ton of work. And instead it turns into I am reading the Bible actively because I have to think about having questions and I do that for like what an extra hour in my week.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 42:21 Like I'd already wanted to do that anyway and now I have accountability for it, which is great because if I have accountability then I can actively give accountability to other people. And then I'm, we're leading a discussion, which is like easy. I thought I, I have, I have the next like seven weeks planned at this rate. Like I kept playing for one week and it's like, who knows how long it'll take. So, yeah, it's, it's honestly just, it was, it's really easy. You just messaged people and said, do you want to be a part of a small group? And they were like, yeah, you know, and then, okay. And I also, I messaged people ahead of time saying, would you lead a small group? I messaged like five people and nobody wanted to do that. But you lead a small group one time and show them how easy it is and how little you planned. The fact that you hit two post it notes and that will you just read through acts one through whatever.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:12 What would I love? What you're doing here is you're, you're, you're modeling, you're, you're giving an example. Yeah. Like you're, you're doing abstract ministry. Your first off, you're creating a discipleship system. Yeah. We're also working with video gamers and we didn't really hit on this like you're connected to a church, but that church really isn't like backing the ministry. Right. This is a,
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 43:35 right, well, there's awesome no fees. I mean, the entire, from the beginning, the whole point was that it's literally all free. There's no cost involved at all. And that was intentional from the beginning. But,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:47 and so you try and to get people from, from the outside to bind to this vision to, to to lead a small group to be part of the discipleship thing. Like you have to show an example of what that looks like. You know, we've been churches who are doing like church online and you know, we can talk about online small groups or discipleship online to implement. A lot of times like people have no idea what the concept even even is. And so your example of I do you watch I do you help you do I help you do I watch, you know, at that four week that's a, that's a fast turnaround time. But even still, that's a great example of hey, I'm going to train you to duplicate me. You're going to become very soon so I can step out and go do something else somewhere else. And so I can help. The next group gets started. That's awesome. So have your 50 core, you're really looking at what, like 10 or 10 or 12 that are, that are doing a group now do you like, and the goal is to you to release that group and go start another 10. Is that how you're really starting to
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 44:55 no, so yeah, no, we have, so we have, the core, uh, I'd say as far as our like community goes, people that are chatting regular that we probably have 50 people. and then there's a lot of lurkers. So there's a lot of people that'll pop in every once in awhile. we did a survey recently and yeah, I mentioned this. So yeah, I'd say originally we were probably about 50, 50 Christian, non Christian. We recently did a survey, three years later now and it was like 95% Christian, like identifying as Christian. a lot of those people that are on that list, I remember the first time that they posted an in prayer like, and they were said, I don't usually do this, you know, and, uh, I'd say most of their, like, when I think about planting seeds, it's like these are people that for the first time they're talking about prayer.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 45:45 They're feeling like this is something that they can relate with. And then they found like a local church. And that was kind of our big push for a long time was you should find a local family, a local place that you can go to. for some people that's just not something they're probably going to do. and I get that, but I do feel like a local families is really necessary for a lot of different reasons, but are, you know, it's how do we make, how do we make these things, uh, easier for online? Like one of the main reasons I'd want you to find a local places so you can be in a small group. So if I can like break that barrier one by just doing it online, then okay then we'll do that, you know? but that, that now that there's a, uh, uh, seeing that we've switched to mostly most of our core group being Christian then, then that's really where I felt the drive this year for the first time of like, okay, we're going to go real hard into discipleship then because I don't want you to coast.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 46:44 Like this isn't a group for the Christian huddle and it's not just like, you know, I don't want just people that feel like your goal here is to just talk to other Christians that play games. Cause that's not our, there are groups for that, that's not this group. And there's also a, uh, a tendency with doing a small group is that it can become hungry, hungry Christian, where it's just like, I just want more information and like, oh, like what does it say in Greek and Hebrew? And like, you know, it's just like, no, no, no, not like, think about this in the term of, and this is why we do this from the beginning. I want you to look at this verse as somebody that would look at this first for the first time. How do you take this verse and give it to somebody?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 47:26 It's like, why the fifth one is who are you going to share it with because versus become new. When you think about them in the context of somebody who is new and like, how do I, how do I give this verse to somebody else if it's something I've heard a thousand times, have I shared it a thousand times? Like ms cleanable, man, that was good. Like, it's like, like if it's, yeah, it's like somebody told you this verse so many times, but like are you giving it to somebody? It is, is a real thing. and we do tend to just be really, cycle, you know, and we're not like, we're not giving it to somebody else. We're just taking it in. you know, it's the same idea. Like your cup. Let your cups over flowing and it's like, yeah, it's going to keep being filled. Can you like pour it into who can you pour into so that you can have an empty cup to like fill it again? And uh, yeah. It's just that mindset. I think it's really a cultural thing of just that don't, don't get in this cycle. Uh, and I, I believe it does start at like a leadership stage. Like you from the top down, you have to be intentional in discipleship or else it just becomes, you know, this has been a really nice, uh, lesson, you know, or whatever.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 48:43 Okay. Kiss real quick before we close. Coz I imagine that Jeff and I are going to be having you on again because really this has been just amazing to talk through. And I also want to find out like how the group continues to grow. but yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah. Just excited to see kind of what happens next with that and, and see what the Lord is doing in you. Uh, get some quick fun questions before we go. A preferred video game method or system.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 49:07 Ooh. Uh, system, easy PC. I made the switch from Xbox long time ago. Uh, when I look back it's, it's great. and then what was the other one? Did you cut? Did you custom build it or, well, it's been custom built now. It's like, it, it looks like something out of iron man or something. It's all like, they're not, not in a good way. It's the bad iron man. Words like that, like stuff like glued to the side and they're like, you know, stuff is like, yeah, it's really not good. But I'm, I'm hoping, I'm hoping AMD a rising third gen is going to be great and I can build a new computer because I'm like waiting for that. So yeah. That's uh, we'll see where that goes. Cool. All time. Favorite game. Oh boy. I don't like that question. All right. I don't know. I don't know. I, I've like thought about it long and hard and decided that I just don't have any clue. No idea.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 50:05 That's completely fine. Nostalgia game that you love to get lost in.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 50:09 Ooh. Uh, nostalgia game would probably be Super Mario brothers. Super Mario World. Just, just because there's like so much. we had a, well now I'm like changing my answer a billion times, but the oxic with that one, we uh, my family had a thing was like, you, we won't get you another game until you beat the one you have in Super Mario world had like a percentage thing and it usually it was just you beat the game, you get to the end screen that I've had a percentage. So it was like, no, you haven't beat it yet. It's still says 90% or something. I was like, no, I beat Bowzer like I beat him. And so I had to go find all the hidden stuff and like there's so many hidden things in that game. There's no way I could do that today without Google. And like, I still have no idea how I found like the star road or like how I found special world or zone or whatever. Like I have no idea. But somehow I did that as a kid without a guide. So that game still has like, you know, I'm like, ha ha. Like you missed that thing because you didn't know was like, I know I have that whole game like embedded in my brain. So yeah, it's a, it's a nostalgia thing for me.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 51:13 Very cool man. I don't want to put an age on yet, but I'm going to put an age on you. How old are you?
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 51:19 Oh boy. Uh, 27. Yeah.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 51:22 So you're 27 years old and decided, hey, I'm going to start a discipleship ministry on or for video gaming. Like I just, and I asked that question not because you know, you're 27, but man, that oppressive to have to have devs have that heart and that vision to do some nontraditional ministry like this. And so, man, I just wanted to encourage you in this. Like you're, you're doing a lot of things, that are unconventional. You're, doing a discipleship only with no budget independent, uh, outside of a church. Yes. You work at a church and you're using resources, but it's outside of that churches kind of direction, which is a great church. and you're doing it centered around video games. It's like there's a bunch of stuff that's like, that's not gonna work. That's not going to work. Why would you even try that?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 52:15 Yet? Strangely, what you're seeing now, even within the past month or so since we've been talking, you're seeing growth and development in those areas. So man, be encouraged by that. Uh, that's phenomenal. Listeners who are out there, a man, be like Jate, not like play seven hours of destiny in a row, but if you do place hours of destiny and God leads you to pull it to, to have a conversation with somebody, how awesome is that? But no, take, take a risk, take a chance. I put on Facebook a while back, it's like, like the masters failed more than the, uh, than the apprentice has tried and so did out. That is deep, right? Uh, it was on, it was not a new health podcast, uh, maybe a month or so ago. But get out there and try get out there and take a chance, try something different, uh, for the sake of the Gospel, for the sake of, of discipleship, for the sake of the kingdom. This is,
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 53:13 it's funny you mentioned that game. Uh, Jeff, because you know, there's so many shared experiences that we have that take a long time that don't lead to Gospel conversations that I'm like, no, Jay took complete advantage of that and so is no time loss. Like
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 53:26 Lauren and I went to a red sox game last week. We were in Boston, we were at a sox game for like three or four hours. That didn't lead to a gospel conversation afterwards. But man, if it did, that would have been amazing. Uh, so many of us out there have seen a vendor's end game that that's three hour block in the movie theater that if it led to a gospel conversation afterwards, man, that'd be huge. Gate leveraged a puzzle that brought in a whole lot of people that he wasn't, that he doesn't know and brought them together in community and he leveraged that for the sake of the Gospel. That's magnificent man. I say be like Jate, man. Even if it means you're saying spending three or four hours on a game and you're taking apart puzzles, man. I say be like, Jate, man, that's you.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 54:01 We're, we're, we're all going to get like, be like j tattoos. It's going to be great.
  
  
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  Jate Earhart: 54:05 I might just do that. Yeah. I think I said this last time, but my, like my prayer like almost starts and ends with like, God, you got to humble me. So I mean like that, that is my, my biggest fear is like, uh, no, like I don't want to, I don't want to get like a bloated head about anything. So yeah, don't do not get my name tattooed bad. That'd be bad. That, that mentality, like you're saying, just to, to end it is, is the everything that you do, you know, do it for the glory of God. And so I know somebody is probably this thing that's like, but not this, you know, not this thing that I do. And it's like w w I mean, what, what is this? If it's something you can't do full of glory of God, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
  
  
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                    This is a big step for engagement. The camera should always be moving during musical worship. Pushing in. Pulling out. Panning left or right. Dolly shots. Crane shots. Whatever you got, keep the camera moving! Allow that video frame to continue to expand and reveal new territory, new detail. This is even more important as you're looking at keeping engagements over long periods of time online. Yes, worship (musicians and instruments) need to be animated/excited/engaged in worship, but your camera operators need to be constantly moving as well. Pro Tip: Video Director, have the camera start its movement BEFORE you transition to it. Get your standby camera moving before you transition (cut or dissolve) to it. This way worship becomes fluid, engaging. Oftentimes, when the camera stops moving you're giving the viewing audience permission to disengage, to stop watching. Don't stop. Pretend you're Sandra Bullock on 
  
  
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                    Another way to keep audience engaged during worship. Cut/Transition to the beat of the song. It's powerful when transitions happen in sync with the musical beat. Find ways to sync the transition to the beat of the song. When possible, even hold transitions out to the end of the lyric phrasing, or transitions when the singer takes a breath or pauses. The more your video transitions align to how the song flows, the more engaged people will become with the video. Disconnects or missing the beat can be jarring to the person watching, pulling them out of their engagement. Video directing needs to be seamless, invisible... and hiding our transitions to the beat of the song is a big step to being invisible.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to The Church Digital Podcast and we are kicking off today. We're having a conversation on production. Last week, Steve Kaminsky with Portable Church Industries joined us as we were talking a lot, call it Basic Broadcast 101. We talked a lot about smaller churches or maybe new churches that are diving into starting broadcasting online and what it looks like to kind of put that church service online as a new church or new organization getting dirty into it. And so we've been blessed this week to have Steve Kaminsky, longtime friend, coming back on the show. Hey Steve, man, why don't you just share a little bit about yourself?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:29 I'm trying, I'm trying to go back. Toad the Wet Sprocket. Good Times. Good stuff. I was actually listening to them on the radio other day and every time I hear them I'm thinking, "Hey, Steve used to to to travel with those guys." So it was Toad, right? I'm not confusing the bands. Good. So in addition to Steve joining us today and super glad to have him back, we've got some guys from Living As One coming on the show today. I don't know, maybe you're in multisite world or are doing church online, but I'll tell you, this product is really taking the church world by storm and redefining what video teaching in internet broadcast looks like. And so we've got Collin Jones and Paul Martel who are a lot of the brainpower behind Living As One right now joining us and they're both coming on the show. Hey Collin, man, let's start with you. Just tell us a little bit about yourself and maybe give us an overview of what Living As One is.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:32 And there's tons of resources, you know, that we talked about, hit up thechurch.digital or there's probably going to be the link in the show notes that will help you get there to listen to that and really find out what some of those smaller resources are. But here's the reality of where we are. As of right now, there's 5,000 to 10,000 churches a week that are broadcasting some sort of content online, whether it's, Facebook or through church online platform or Youtube or Periscope, Twitter, whatever it is, they're broadcasting something. And so with this podcast I wanted to maybe step back and challenge some of us that are already broadcasting on ways to do it better. As a general rule, especially when you're starting out church online, the people who watch church online seem to be forgiving. But there's still a challenge for us to do it better. And so what better way I felt to maybe have some of these conversations about how can we do the church online broadcast better then bring in some experts who literally do church online and see church online on a regular basis talking to Living As One and in how that they're utilizing their encoders for this, but also to bring in a Portable Church, Steven Kaminsky, to really explore from the integration aspect, you know, some of the quality issues that may be a church runs into or how maybe a church that's doing just the one camera, can step up to do a two camera three camera. What's involved with that and what questions do we need to be asking? And so just my limited aspect of 20 plus years doing production in a church environment.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 09:09 You know, there's several different areas that we want to hit on. There's like okay video, obviously getting video and being more artistic with the video. You know, audio, getting the audio to be better is part of it. And so a lot of this is the stuff guys, I want to dig into and there's probably some other things that I'm not even thinking about, which is why I bring in the experts. So, let's start with this from, from a video perspective, what's the win from going from maybe like a one camera shoot, doing a wide shot of the stage, what's the win from going to that to like a two camera shoot, a three camera shoot, where it becomes more, more dynamic? Like why should a church spend the money or what is the advantage for the church to explore maybe some of that space. Steve, you want to speak into that?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 09:59 Yeah, I think the easiest way to define that is engagement. If you're going from a single wide shot, which let's be honest, there's nothing wrong with that. That gives you a perspective of sitting in the congregation somewhere and being able to see what's happening as if you were attending. But what you don't get is the emotion and connecting with the folks on stage. Those people are our worship leaders. They're the folks that are pointing us upward and engage in worship. So by being able to have multiple shots in different ways, you can convey the emotion that you feel in the room over video to folks who are sitting watching maybe a week later, maybe a day later, or maybe in different parts of the world. It's a way to draw people in and that's probably the easiest way to define the reason for doing that. My opinion.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:55 Paul, Collin, like are there churches that you have seen who have navigated this, who have gone from doing like a one to a multiple? I'm just curious. Like does the average church just do the one who are your clients? The multiple? What's your experience there when you're looking at how churches are broadcasting their services online?
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 11:18 Yeah, I think, we definitely have a mix of churches that are doing both. I can't personally think of, one particular one that's done that transition. But I definitely, when I'm looking at those speeds, you know, we do a lot of proactive monitoring to make sure that the quality of experience of the viewing experience is going to be good for our viewers. And so we monitor some of them to help make sure that's going really well. And whenever I'm viewing between a bunch of different churches, I do see a big difference in the quality of the content of the production value when you go from a single camera shot to a multi-camera switched shot and it's exactly what Steven said. You know, it's basically being able to convey that engagement and that storytelling element of being able to craft an experience that you're trying to convey a message is really a lot more impactful versus having a static camera on somebody who's speaking is a lot less engaging.
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 12:17 There's a lot less, stickiness if you call it of somebody wanting to stay around and watch because the viewer can kind of get bored, you know, their eyes start seeking around, jumping around if there's nothing to look at. So much of our information that we receive is visual and if it's a static shot of a talking person, somebody might tend to stick around a little bit less. And so being able to have a better storytelling process to being able to switch cameras and make the whole viewing experience more dynamic, is really going to have a lot more retention and viewer experience.
  
  
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  Collin Jones: 12:50 We measure watch times. So that's how, because a lot of churches, like I know that you just had Jay Kranda on and he told me they don't count for viewer unless it's longer than 30 minutes. And so I think measuring viewer length is really important when thinking about different cameras and what that affects. Also, you know, it's the quality of the viewing experience, quality of technology, audio quality's really big there. I'm sure that we'll touch on all of those. But measuring, I think that's a great thing to measure and I think we have seen, because we have these statistics on a big deal, it's not like we, we did a study on, you know, one camera shooting move to the others, but as people improve their production, online campus pastors do notice a big difference in viewership stickiness as I should say.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 13:31 One of my clients, actually I just had coffee with this guy up in North Miami I wasn't even thinking about it in context, but, since we were talking about this, He is, it's this weird thing where he's doing both a wide shot but he has access to multiple cameras. He's renting out a college theater/classroom. So it's got stadium seating. It's got three camera robots, you know, around, and so he really isn't using the joystick cameras as much as he is the lockdown camera that we set up for him. And he's broadcasting using an Epiphan Webcaster X2. And so like the majority of his videos are that, and so today I was actually talking to him about is his Facebook videos and we were scrolling through his videos and were looking at some of his wide shots. His average wide shot was around 200 to 220 views. It's a small church, church plant, getting started. And so 200 to 220 views on Facebook, but then he went into a section of where he was using the robot cams to get on the tight shot. His average view on those was between 900-950 and so this one guy, random, not scientific, we were able to calculate three to four times more viewership. And it's not that its content got better. It's not that it's a different sermon series or a different time, it's the same philosophy. He's just much closer, much tighter, which made that content much more engaging. And so you know, for a lot of us, you know, maybe church online is so new that we've really never considered, okay, well, we're broadcasting the services, but what's the next step after broadcasting the services?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:20 What I would suggest is the next step is, well let's figure out how to get that video more engaging so that it hooks people longer. Let's do things and we've talked about it, which chat hosts and others let us do things within the space also to make it more engaging. But you know, keeping in mind on the broadcast side, so you know, Steve from just a sheer technological basis, cause you're in this all the time, what if I'm a 1500 person church, I'm doing a one person camera and hey, you know what, maybe it's time to step up a little bit, maybe I'm a 700 person venue doing two or three services. Like what's a good model? What's something really to look at for us to look at how to take that next step in the broadcast to get more cameras and more engagement?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 16:10 The easiest place to start, I think is Hitachi Cameras. They make a fabulous product. It integrates with Ross switchers which seem to be fan of everybody. Everybody loves that carbonite black and they fit a very, very nice price point. That is going to be a beautiful set up for your standard ENG shoulder can news gathering camera's setup. It's going to look good. They have extremely nice low light response, which is important in churches because a lot of churches are a trending darker in their lighting philosophy, a little bit less light on the faces of folks, less light in the room, so you're not going to have the issue of trying to pick up faces. Some of the Hitachi models are very LED wall friendly, which is another trend to be careful of, you want to be mindful of the fact that LED walls and cameras don't always play nicely with each other.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 17:04 The trend that I think is heading upwards though right now, especially when we talk about artistic storytelling, which Collin/Paul, I'm glad you guys brought that up cause that's a huge piece of doing video online, is we have a lot of churches that are kind of moving towards Canon cinema cameras, which brings its own inherent challenge. We have a lot of similar work that's being done on DSLR bodies. Everything. Most content, shouldn't say all content, but most content we're seeing online these days is shot with that cinematic feel, that shallow depth of field, that 24p frame rate, you know, the whole thing. So we have a lot of churches now that are moving that direction. They want that artistic feel as opposed to your, nothing wrong with it, but the traditional style of camera shots. So I would say depending on who you are, those Hitachi cameras are fabulous. But if you really are more trending artistically, the Canon cameras are another great place to start and they both fit a similar price point in general.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 18:10 Awesome. So like, who are some people who are doing, the average person you just said cinematic quality 24p and I love my listeners. They got no clue what you just said. I totally understand what you're saying. What's a good example? And so either of you guys, I don't know, but like who's doing 24p? Well, if you want to link to somebody in the show notes, who can I say, go look at what a cinematic church service looks like stylistically by watching this church, is there somebody that stands out right now?
  
  
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  Collin Jones: 18:44 Yeah, Flat Irons and Red Rocks and we live by both of them. So we go to both. We have people on our staff that go to both of them and Flat Irons, Rob, is kind of the guy that pioneered that were using Canon cameras and he actually switched to Panasonic but Red Rocks uses Canon and they look really, really good and it's awesome. So yeah, either watching Red Rocks or Flat Iron speeds and they're both Living As One customers and they're great.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 19:08 Flat Irons is probably the one that sticks out most mainly because Rob has pioneered it. So I got to hang out with him and an NAB and dude is just a genius when it comes to that. Some of the stuff that he's done to make it work is fantastic. It's probably push some of these manufacturers to make their, you know, their cinematic cameras like the C300s, the C500s more friendly to a broadcast environment. So even some of the options their offering, for example, Iris Control, Remote Iris control used to be the biggest problem because you don't want a camera operator fidgeting the focus, zoom, and iris. Well, Canon has made it possible for their remote controls now to control iris. So now you can have an engineer in a control room helping set light levels. So even just that simple piece has changed things immensely. So it's trending that direction as things get a little bit more friendly.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 19:59 Awesome. There you go. We'll link to some of these in the show notes and include some other examples for you as well. But I loved the cinematic look. What's interesting is as I've been working with clients, they've got so much invested in the broadcast that they haven't been able to like take that jump, but for a church that maybe hasn't made that initial investment into broadcast style cameras, which is the opposite of cinematic, you know, maybe it's a good opportunity to get a more artistic feel with it. And so the depth of field and some of the stuff that we're talking about here looks great. So be sure to check those examples out. One other thing that I wanted to touch on at least while we're still in the video side, before we get to audio, I talk about a lighting for video sometimes, or color temperatures and like the techs that I talked to it's like they can't comprehend a lot what's in involved or you know, I talk about having the same color temperature and you can't do like the white, white and the yellow, white at the same time because the cameras, you know, freak out.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:10 It depends on how it's programmed and all of a sudden people look like smurfs cause they're too blue and they just it's like foreign. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, I'll link to very bad examples of what this looks like because there's some really bad church examples out there. But what are some rules of thumb that you guys have experienced or looked at? Hey, here's some things to consider when you're doing lighting for broadcast, you know, and the good news is this even helps if you're not doing multiple cameras, even one camera can benefit from this, but like lighting for broadcast, using the backlights, how to do front light appropriately, how not to have shadows. Like what are some things that you guys kind of consider, see, with churches that are doing it well? maybe some things that you've helped with Steve on your side. What does that look like? Living As One guys, you want to start off with something?
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 22:05 Sure. I mean I can start off with the basics. I mean, it's important to have adequate surrounding lighting on your speaker. So a good stage wash is just absolutely critical because if you look at a video and they're not lit properly and you know, if you're going to have to gain up the camera or make that camera more sensitive to the light and you're going to introduce grain and other artifacts in that image that just are not going to produce a good-looking image. So having an adequate light, on that speaker, is absolutely critically important to affecting the overall look of that. Backlighting can add a ton of great depth to the look of your video. So what we did, at my home church back at Chase Oaks, I used to do some lighting designed for them so we'd have a nice solid stage wash across. So if he walks to the left side of the stage, there's plenty of light there. If he walks to the right side of the stage, there's plenty of light there. And then we actually had some movers that were moving lights, moving heads, that were mounted to the ceiling and we would point them down. They were probably about 15 feet behind the speaker for our particular setup and the angled down so they gave him, kind of the back of his head had some nice light and it lit up his shoulders as well and that gave him a lot of depth. Instead of him looking very flat, if he only had front lighting. So combination of nicely balanced front light where it's nice and even as he walks across the stage and backlighting to give it that depth are probably two things that I would definitely recommend for at least the speaking part of when you're trying to broadcast a message or a sermon.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:43 Sure. Backlight I know plays a big part and I've seen situations where black backdrop, pastors wearing a black jacket, and has black hair and it's just looking at a face in an undershirt almost basically is because there's no real separation. The white tee shirt, he's wearing or the white shirt underneath his jacket is what's really driving the brightness and everything else because it's black is lost. So that backlight is key, in context. Steve, I know you've got traditional fixtures which are typically in like a yellow/white, you've got the LED and intelligent fixtures which are typically more LED blue/white. You know, what is that tension like when you're creating a broadcast environment for video teaching or for others? Like how do you use what, how do you regulate when to use what, where?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 24:44 Well, so I think the interesting thing to note with that is that you want all your light to be uniform. So at no point should you be mixing a daylight with a warm white color temperatures in the same shot because then your cameras don't know what to do and you're going to have smurfette on one hand and then you're going to have a really bad spray tan on the other hand. It's just, it's not going to blend well. So you need to pick one. I don't know that it really matters from a broadcast standpoint, which one you pick because your camera can be shaded and colored to adapt to that corporate broadcast. I think the more important question there yet to start with the live room itself, if you've got daylight white on everything on stage, but your house lights are warm light, you're going to have a bigger issue in the room and then fighting that.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 25:33 So I think the decision starts with your live room and then make that uniform across the board. I think is the easiest answer to that. And then even light on the stage and especially for the message and for any hosting that's done is make sure it's even, there's nothing more distracting, We talk about removing distractions all the time, then, some pastor walking across stage and getting darker and brighter as he takes each step, especially if the camera's panning along with him. So even same color temperature light across the whole spectrum is key. I personally am a little bit more of a fan of the warm white because most environments your house lighting is going to be a warm white color temperature. I will say most cameras and technology play better in daylight, just a blue color spectrum is more friendly. But after having seen both, I'm a warm white fan.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 26:26 Well, I was gonna say we should spend a lot of time having the conversation around the lighting for the speaker. But let's not forget that when we're talking about worship, we're talking about closeup shots, an easy trap to fall into is let's bade them in like two, but don't forget that shadow plays well into emotion. So just because we're talking about that we want your speaker evenly lit across the whole spectrum doesn't mean it needs to look like the sun shining on the whole stage during worship. Let shadows play to emotion. And then there's different points of view on that. But don't be afraid of shadows when music's playing. It actually helps creating that story. Again, we're talking about storytelling earlier. It allows story to be told in those moments.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 27:12 Yeah, as a video director, I actually think that it's two sides of the coin and that the rules that apply for video teaching during a pastor are the direct opposite of how the video rules apply during worship. You know, if I'm looking at the frame in teaching, I always want the pastor in the middle, you know, keep the camera in front of him as he's moving across. You're keeping him in the middle of your view finder in the crosshairs. During worship, I would much rather have the person that's in focus your primary person on the left third or the right third and using the rule of thirds. So I'll put a definition of that in the show notes, but to create more negative space around the person to work with transitions and in pans and things like that where you want that teacher to be as bright as possible.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:01 You really want the worship to be more dark where you want it to be focused on the teaching. A lot of times in worship you want to focus on the environment for some of that to convey some of the emotions. And so really it's two different sides of the coin and they're both necessary to have cameras that are able to get some of the darkness but can focus on and handle, you know, the bright as well that you want the encoder to be able to have stability going to both sides with that and having volunteers that understand during worship, your camera operators need to have this philosophy, but teaching's a completely separate thing. What are some examples of like overall, and you mentioned a couple on the 24 frames, but either of you, all three of you, who's doing this well, who should we be looking at and we're like, hey, there's a really good artistic worship angle and there's a really good, teaching perspective, what churches out there for somebody who's trying to figure out how to get started, who should they be looking at?
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 29:07 I would say, Red Rocks for the worship. They are just killing it. I was talking with one of their technical directors the other day and I was really blown away of how he described it to me. He does both the lighting design and he is in charge of all the cameras set up and he doesn't even have a shader on their camera during worship. He sets all the lights and all the cameras at a single setting on the aperture, basically how much light is coming in on the camera. And it never changes during worship. If you look at that video that they produce, they're using, I think Canon C200s, those Cine cameras with the nice shallow depth of field lenses and I mean, Wow, it is an amazing look when you look at their video. So if you can check out worship for Red Rocks, you'll be amazed. Then I would say if I had to pick one for message, I would probably say Life.Church. The Craig Groschel, look that he has on that slick stage and they do lighting so well. That's probably the one I would say for the messages for me.
  
  
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  Collin Jones: 30:12 His is an intense imag one too, he's speaking directly to the camera.
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 30:15 Yeah, he does a great job of speaking to the audience on the cameras too.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:20 One of the things that I love, and I've heard this, I don't know if it's still true, but I know it was at one point, like the cameras at Life.Church are in like row three or row five, right there. They were pushed very much up because and when I'm coaching, you know, preachers and communicators on video teaching, it's always, "you got to remember, pastor, there's more people on the other side of that lens than in the physical room". And that's so hard for like the average pastor to really connect with because that pastor, that communicator, has been trained for 20 or 30 years, preached to the room and you're training these teachers to learn: It's not just the people in the room. There's more on the other side. As you're looking at multiple campuses, as you're looking at church online, as you're looking at audio podcast, or Youtube and sermon archives and all the different distribution points and the majority of churches, it's a fact.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:15 There are more people on the other side of that lens then, then actually physically in the room. So that's, that's great stuff. I've, I've liked elevation and how they do the teaching. Uh, but what's interesting is that it breaks every rural rural r u l e rule known to churches like you, you're not supposed to show the audience, you know, they do the over the shoulder shot, um, to show the audience over. I'm a man, I'm just blanking on the pastor's name. Who's the pastor? Steven Furtick. There are over the shoulder on Furtick to show the audience you always want to show the pastors face, but they're doing over the shoulder. You can't see his face. It's like all these preconceived norms that started with, you know, Groeschel that started with North Point way back in the day with north point video teaching roles, which is where I learned at 12, 13 years ago on how to do video.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:10 Like he just trashes all of it in the whole stadium. Oh yeah. And it's like, but it's, it's, and maybe this is me because like I said, I'm an old fogy, but it's breaking all of those roles. To me that makes it so exciting and engaging. Cause I'm like, he can't do that. Oh look, he just did. He can't do that. He can't show the audience that way. And then all of a sudden he is and I'm like, hey, this isn't really, isn't that bad. And so not to like separate from the way everybody else is doing it. But that almost makes it exciting because it's unique in that. And honestly I get that same feeling when I look at the cinema, the cinema cameras and worship. Cause I'm like, it's so it's unique in that there's not tens of thousands of churches doing it on a major level.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:56 It's just very small percentage getting into that space that really makes it powerful stuff. All right, so let's, let's talk about audio because audio is, is one of these areas where people have patients. When it comes to video, uh, there is a miscue, there's a miss cut. Um, something doesn't look quite good. They're going to give it patients because they can hear it and they can understand it. But if it doesn't sound good, if you've got a bad worship mix, if you've got a teacher who's cutting in and out, uh, the mics dropping out, like they're not sticking around. Um, and, and so an online mix is, is so important. So I'm a church that I've been doing an aux out of the board or a matrix out of my soundboard, straight to the camera. The house mix has been broadcasted out and there's nothing, we talked about this earlier, we talked about it last week. There's nothing wrong with that. However, there's an opportunity to expand and to get better. So Steve, just kind of like, let's define it. If we wanted to go from a one mix, two, like a two mix, we're now, I've got a separate board, got a separate engineer, like what's a two minute explanation of how to do that?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 34:17 Split honestly is the easy answer. So you need to have some kind of split that allows you to have a second console to access all the audio inputs that are available to your console for your house. Uh, that can take one or two ways. That's an analog split going completely old school where you've got something that's giving, doubling all your inputs are. So you have one for each console or today's dating world. You have a lot of uh, digital snakes that'll allow one console, the APP access, um, to the inputs and then another console to access those inputs as well. Uh, so just kind of depends on which console you have and which constantly you want to utilize for your broadcast mix. Um, but being able to split audio out is the key
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:04 if you're getting a separate podcast console. Yeah, I know, I know I've, I've had this conversation before and I always get a different opinion back. Is it important that both consoles for online in house are the same? Like do they need to be identical or can it be separate? What are some of the pros and cons of that?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 35:23 Uh, so the pros of them being identical is if you're running volunteers or you're hiring in audio engineers, um, they can then either run the house mix or run the broadcast mix. So you have one set of training principles in existence. And if it's a console, like a Yamaha, like a a digico where they can do a gain sharing off the stage box, then it's extremely crucial and money saving at the same time. Um, so it's extremely important. Now if that's not your goal, um, then it's not as important. If you're paying folks and you're paying guides always do broadcast and you're paying guys always doing front of house, it's very different. If you've got a volunteer that's a recording engineer might be easier to stick them on pro tools and he might be able to be do it quicker, um, off that. And then you actually have to buy another console surface. You're just buying a digital input box. So my opinion, it's extremely important but it's not a one size fits all either.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 36:31 So what kind of space do we need if we're trying to set up like a, a studio to mix from? Are we mixing from like any or are not in, in ear headphones over year? Are we mixing from near field monitors? Like, like, what do you recommend kind of conceptually, if we're really creating a separate mixed desk for this, what types of tools does a volunteer or a paid person need to actually make sense?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 36:56 This area? What do you think Steve? So I would say a standard size office. So you're talking maybe 200 square feet, um, that gives you enough space to add something.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 37:06 Who's 200 square feet? What kind of office are you working in? Holy Cow. That's awesome. Good for you. I'm kidding. All right, keep going. 200 square feet, go for it.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 38:10 Wow. So that, that is a, that is a bit of a loaded question. Um, because in this day and age with digital consoles, um, you have a lot of churches that don't have a separate broadcast booth because, let me caveat that they've dialed in the sound of their rooms so tightly and had the PA tuned so nicely that the mix that they're sending the PA is good enough for broadcast. So watermark, um, they are sending the house mix broadcasts these days. They have a full broadcast sweet. Um, but they are utilizing what's coming off the front of house console because it is fabulous. Uh, Andrew Stone, um, church on the move, uh, they run a program called MixU. Um, they actually are big proponents of get your, get your house mics set up really well, get your pa tune really well and then you don't need a separate broadcast. Sweet. Um, so it, it's, it's kind of a loaded question on how it's different because if you're doing it right, it shouldn't be in theory you should be able to mix one place and it's the same as the other. MMM.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 39:37 tune your PA, get your pa tune extremely well. So that way what you're sending out of your console, if you were to record that on a CD mix and if you were going to listen to it, the PA, you would not be able to tell the difference between what you're listening to in your car and what you're listening to in the row. Now we can all agree that's never going to happen because I've got bigger subs in my worship center than I have in my car. Most of us don't have subs in our car anymore. Um, this isn't the 90s. Um, now tuning, tuning is a big piece of it. And then it is having someone consistently mixing in that room that has a good feel for what's happening. And that requires a lot of effort and a lot of crafts in a lot of work.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 40:22 Um, and, and that's what's gonna be required to achieve that. Uh, so tuning, um, a lot of effort by the engineer into listening to his mix and playing it back. And then I would say the third thing is, is output processing. Uh, today's age, almost everybody has some form of plugin, whether its waves, whether it's the Allen Heath consoles that have their onboard processing. And a lot of what you're doing there is just sending broadcasts, safe levels, 90% of the issues in audio online usually come from clipping, you know, someone blowing out the audio and it just spazzing out on you.
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 40:59 Two other things that I was thinking about, loudness, there's something called loudness that is actually a standard in TV that, um, basically the history of it was, uh, commercials would come on and there'd be way louder than the TV program and it's because they wanted to get their attention. They didn't want you to tune out. And so they would come on and they'd crank up the volume as much as they could that they were allowed to, to get it to the broadcast network. And then whenever a transitioned, it was just like, Whoa, why is that commercial so loud? So the FCC put out a new law about loudness and it's a, it's basically a metering of volume or the average volume over time. And um, so monitoring that for your online audience, making sure that your worship is about the same as your speaker when it comes to overall loudness is really important. Especially when you're talking about playing on smaller TVS, the smaller speakers, huge changes in volume, we're going to be really inconvenient for them cause they're going to constantly have to adjust their volumes. That's probably one of the other things to really think about is monitor the overall loudness of your feet. Go into your online stream.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 42:02 And so let me, I'll tag off that. Paul was saying, here's the pro tip. If you're in a situation where you have to use one console, um, and you don't have the space, resources, whatever, you to do a whole separate broadcast mix by a waves, LD1 mixer, bus out your worship mix, your pastor mix and your audience mics mics, and then use that simply as a matrix mixer to do that loudness metering to do that, shaping the set your levels and you will be a happy camper. That is probably the easiest and most cost effective way to do it. Um, it can live in Iraq, in the control room. You can have someone over there that can just monitor and check those levels is probably the easiest way to accomplish that. Um, and then keep your audio engineer in the house focused on the mix in-house.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:57 Hey, so this has been a great conversation. Um, I love the production aspect. I love the video aspect of what, of what church online does and the ability for us to step up to maybe improve some things. Um, this is, this has been a great conversation in the show notes. We'll have lots of lots of these resources. We've talked a lot about a lot of different churches that are doing some of this stuff, which is good. I've often wondered this, so somebody mentioned it and I forget if it was a Steve or Collin, but we talked about MixU which is a resource for the audio side of the equation and by the way, that's a phenomenal resource. Definitely check them out if you haven't. Great for church is great for volunteers, you know, dive all into that on the video. Is there a MixU equivalent on the video side?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:49 Has somebody doing something? Are they exploring that space? Not that I know of. I second the recommendation for MixU, do you know what? No, there needs to be there. You're going to have some opportunity, you know like, pardon me. In the back of my mind I'll say this, I'll podcast. I don't care. Part of me is like, why don't we just do that, but I don't have time. So anybody out there who's wanting to do like a MixU thing for video. I have several churches right now who will sign up for that in a heartbeat to, to be some of your first customers to make that happen. Because as the church continues to grow and expand more multisite, more church online, more churches are going to be wrestling this, you're going to look for that. So hey podcast listener out there who's struggling to find what, what you need and where God's leading you and calling you and you're good at video. Hey, I just gave you a business. I will, I will charge you 5% commission so you can feel free to write that check to thechurch.digital mail it to me and I thank you in advance for that. Hey, so this has been a great show man. Thank thanks for this. Um, Steve. Uh, and we'll just, you know, wrap up any, any closing thoughts? 20-30 seconds as we're landing this plane.
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 45:01 Yeah, we talked about a lot of stuff. They can seem intimidating. So if you are the church and it's wanting to get into this, it's, it's, it's not that intimidating. Be thoughtful about it and be intentional about it. And take your time getting into it. The reach that your church will have by doing this is going to be amazing. The impact that you're going to have long term is going to be amazing. You are opening the front door for so many people. Um, so do it. Take a step at a time. Um, and then partner with folks that have done it. Don't operate in a vacuum, don't do it yourself. Uh, lean on resources and people who are available to help you.
  
  
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  Collin Jones: 46:02 Yeah, so we've thought a lot about the audio and the video part, but not on the experience side in terms of what is the quality of the video, like in the actual, you know, buffering, etc. And I think it was like your church online grows up as you get to the next level. Um, oftentimes church tech directors and we were, we were in that position. I mean, you know, they get emails from people having problems, but they're so busy that it's so hard to deal with. Um, and so on. I had second Steve's encouragement that if you're putting content out there, it's better than nothing. People are coming to Christ through. My family came to Christ through church online, big believer in it, so it's better than nothing, but on average, like 29% of people leave when they see their first buffering wheel. Um, and so I would really think about, hey, what's, what's, what's the best technology adaptive bit rate streaming, etc.
  
  
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  Collin Jones: 47:33 So that could be a whole podcast in itself on quality of experience and how to make that, um, the best experience at can so that you have repeat viewers and people that aren't annoyed with your stream because if they can't watch it, audio and video quality does matter. You know, it's, it's the, it's still audio and video quality. But how many cameras you have, doesn't matter if they're getting a buffering bill. Um, so I would, um, and that technical term for it is QoE which is quality of experience. And that's a great thing to research.
  
  
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  Paul Martel: 47:59 I think for me, I would just say, uh, just to tag on a little bit additional to what Steven's said, you know, or encourage them, miss is focused on, you know, incremental growth, pace yourself. Don't try to do everything at once because that could just become overwhelming and not enjoyable and you could make way more mistakes than you would need to. Um, so, you know, most, most healthy growing paces, you have periods of growth and then you have periods of stability, making sure in ironing out all the, all the bugs and the tweaks you have encountered. So I would, I would, uh, just encourage you to definitely pursue, um, improving what you want to do, but don't try to do it all at once. Just make sure that incremental and plan for the longterm, you know, partner with people who are, um, who are not going to go away, you know, quickly. And, um, and if you need, when you're trying to climb a mountain, you do it one step at a time. So we have that mindset. Don't try to jump up in one giant leap.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 48:54 Yeah, we had on in episode five we had on David Urzi, who's man, I'm blinking at the church he's at, he was formerly with seacoast, came in. Um, I'm going to fail at the church right now cause I don't have it in front of me. But when he came in, he, he was evaluating the online environment and they were doing all sorts of stuff and they were all over the place and there wasn't an infrastructure in place it at all. And one of the things that he talks about in the podcast is, is he stopped everything and said, I'm just broadcasting one service. Even like Facebook, multiple chops, you know, so different social media networks. He's like, let's, let's start with what's reset. Let's start with one and let's build from there. And he talks about how resetting really allowed him to, to build a healthy infrastructure instead of feeling like he was drowning all the time with information and stats and not really funneling them into a discipleship pathway or, or what you have I have for you on, on that line.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 49:52 So that's, that's very good feedback, by the way. And we didn't, we didn't really park on this much at all, but in context of, uh, living as one, uh, of how they're providing a solution from a broadcast perspective, portable church, uh, and, and how they're like these guys, both of these, all three of these, but both of these companies, both, all three of these individuals are phenomenal in how their resourcing church the big C church and helping them do ministry, uh, in today's modern era. So if you're looking for a plug, if you're looking for insight direction, if you need help understanding this stuff, um, I cannot think of a better company to connect you with on the encoder and a decoder side than living as one. And when I work with churches, especially ones that are doing multisite, and, and even as they're growing and expanding more product, I cannot think of a better company to partner with them then Living As One.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 50:53 And those of you that are, oh, I've got a client who's launching a multisite in 2019 in the fall. And I picked up the phone and call the only person I knew how to speak to in context of this. And it was, it was a Steve over at Portable Church. So yeah, I don't do a lot of endorsements. I don't do a lot of commercials and I don't even think if I can legally do this, it's my own podcast. They can't arrest me. Right. So at the end of this, the people you want to talk to, if you're in these areas are definitely these guys. Hey, Living As One guys, where can they find you on social media?
  
  
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  Steve Kaminsky: 51:57 You know, the easiest way to connect with Portable Church is to checkout portable church on Instagram and on Facebook. We have a lot of content out there as well as some pretty cool new products that we're rolling out. Easiest place to connect there. And then I'm on facebook.com/servantforlife. Feel free to hit me up and reach out to us through our website.
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey, you're listening to The Church Digital Podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and it is a pleasure to have you guys join us today. We are on episode 11. We just came off a couple of great episodes with Eric Geiger talking a lot about how to communicate your to your leadership about church online and talking about Omni church. So if you didn't catch those, check those out in episodes nine and ten. But we're going to shift gears a little bit today here with some new podcasts for the next couple episodes. I've got a guest host with me gonna call him a cohost for a couple of weeks, Steven Kaminsky and he and I go way, way, way, way back. So, hey, Steve, why don't you just take a moment here and tell everybody a little bit about yourself.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:30 Yeah. So Steve and I have worked together. We worked together at Austin Ridge Bible Church in Austin, Texas, which is a phenomenal church and they're doing some really neat things out there. But way back in the day, I think I have this vague memory of actually babysitting Steve Kaminsky and his sister, once in their lifetime. And, I'm not that much older, which made a weird, and I don't have a lot of like babysitting clientele history, but for some reason that did happen and I've never really understood how or why, but together Steve and I are ingrained that way. In a minute, we want to get into and actually want to start talking about specific product that does a lot of this broadcasting. But before we get there, I want to unpack this one idea. What are some practices? What are some good traits that we, small church, considering broadcasting from a technical perspective, what should we be doing really before we even start to look at introducing the camera and the broadcast kind of piece, the encoders, all of that in, what do we need to nail?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 02:38 Yeah, I think the first thing you want to nail is audio. Video, you know, a static shot, all those things are a little bit more easily forgiven. But man, bad audio is not good. Think about all the Superbowls that you've watched where the halftime show audio has just been all music or all voices. And you just kind of sat there and just, man, this is a bummer.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:03 It's not like the guy's got one job. But anyway, that aside, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, it's great.
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 03:09 I'm not criticizing because that job, I wouldn't want that job.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:13 It's brutal.
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 03:14 But on the flip side of that, we want to make sure that we got it. So best practice, record what you think you're going to send to the camera and after church, pop that USB stick into your radio, load that MP3 file on your phone, listen to it on the way home and analyze that thing and try and figure out the best way to get that so you're comfortable listening to it wherever you're going. It's not going to be perfect. It's a live environment. So don't, don't strive for this like CD quality perfection. Sorry I said CD, MP3 produced quality, perfection. Don't worry about that right now. Worry about getting it to where you can listen to it on the way home as a person who is overseeing that department. So make sure you can get a good audio quality from there. And then start thinking about camera placement, where are we going to get this? What do we want our environment to feel like? But if that audio is wrong, man, that's gonna be rough.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:13 Yeah. So good. I can tell you, there's forgiveness, in a lot of things, but a bad mix is going to turn off in a big way. And so you definitely want to be venue first, but listen to that mix because there's a way to kind of balance it out where wins for the room and it also wins online. Hey Steve, man, that's some great feedback there. Another idea, would be like the positioning of the camera, right? Like, what does that look like?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 04:52 So you ideally you want to have your camera lens, that center of your camera lens at or just below eye level. Sometimes you'll see you where a camera set up in a balcony and you know, during the message you're looking down on the top of the head of the pastor. And it just, it's not flattering. So as much as you can, get that camera centered on your stage, especially if you're talking to one camera and get it set up. So you're right kind of in that eye level and it's going to give you the best perspective of if you're in the audience sitting in the seats looking up, it's what's happening onstage.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 05:27 Yeah. And one thing on that is make sure that the audience that you see on that lock down shot, that there are actually people in the audience. Nothing kills a live broadcast worse than seeing like 25 to 40 empty chairs. Subconsciously, that's going to speak a lot to your first time attending to the person that doesn't know a lot about your church when they're watching the broadcast, if they're seeing nothing empty chairs in front of them. And so, you know, maybe it's tightening up on the camera, maybe it's asking Guest Services to be a little more intention or the ushers to be a little more intentional seating people up towards the front, but be conscious of kind of that environment of what things look like on the video stream within that video frame itself. That's so good. A third option, third thing, we had talked about was lighting as even as possible. I know that that's hard in some context, but what should a church be looking at here?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 06:35 Yeah, so what you want to avoid is what I like to call hotspots. So your camera has the ability to set up essentially one light level. We can get into technical terms like auto, Iris and all that kind of jazz, but what's most important is when you set that camera up and you point it at the stage, you want to avoid having one person be brighter than everybody else because what you're gonna do is you're going to see this one person that's going to stand out and everybody else will look like they're in the dark. So now, if that's what you're going for, great. But if you want to kind of be able to see everybody evenly, try and get that lighting as even as possible across all the folks on stage, and then try to make sure it's not so bright that everything else is in shadow. So all your folks are really bright, but then everything else is pitch black. Again, you're making it look like they're in a black box. So you want to play with that light and try to get an even look and feel.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:40 Good stuff. Good stuff. By the way, and just throwing this out there, like we're talking a lot about broadcasting and things like this. A lot of these products that we're talking about added to the, we're going to get into a little of the IT side here, which is my kryptonite transparently. I confess. But like should we be doing this a separate internet kind of bandwidth for this? Is this over normal network? Am I having to do fiber for this? Like from from an IT perspective, for the average option that the type of thing that we're going to talk about today. How should we be considering this from an IT perspective?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 08:21 Man, you know, a lot of these types of streams are fairly low bandwidth. So unless your Internet service is like five mbps up, five mbps down, which I'd be a little bit concerned about, you are probably going to have more than enough bandwidth than you know what to do with in order to stream. Now I do suggest as much as possible trying to get a hard line to whatever is streaming out. It's just best practice. Sometimes it's not possible, but in best practice language that's going to be great to do. But aside from that, if you got like your standard 15 up 15 down, you should be good to go.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 09:00 Awesome. Well, I tell you what, and the other thing that obviously we need to care about, and we're going to be talking a lot about production in this aspect, but have that discipleship plan in place because as you connect with people, as you're connecting with the front door person, the person that's coming in to check out your service from the first time you're inviting them to the campus as you're connecting with that side door person, the person who is, already engaged with your physical church just traveling and what have you there. Like, they're already in that. But there are people who will be watching this stream, who are not connected to your church or any church otherwise, and they're looking to your church for spiritual guidance. So church, pastor, church leader, out there listening, be working on the discipleship strategy part of this too. As we're preparing our church and trying to do church holistically in context, not just the service but the ministry aspect in context of online. So, start asking those questions. Start wrestling with those things. Don't just prepare your service flow. Don't just prepare your technical, but prepare your ministries for what it looks like to do ministry online. What I wanted to do here is let's drill into maybe like I said, we wrote down six different products out there. So just maybe an overview of of what they are, we'll detail down at the end, some pros and cons to consider. And we're going to list if you're like driving and you're like, dude, this is a bunch of information. What am I supposed to do with this? It's going to be in the show notes and so you can check it out in the show notes or go to thechurch.digital and we've got it written on there as a blog. But definitely, check out some of this information in the links that we'll have in place. Because in the end with this, with this episode, we want to help the churches out there that are considering doing a broadcast or maybe just taking those first steps in the broadcast and services. We want to help you guys take those first steps. So I don't know if I'm going to go through any order here, Steve. Here's what we're going to do, we're just going to fake it. The first one that we had talked about was Mevo. And so there's a Mevo camera that's out there. By the way, all of these, and I didn't say this before, we get into Mevo. All of these are entry level and some of them, you know, require an additional camera, some of them don't, but they're all probably in that, you know, sub $2000, $3,000 range with the cameras and even some of them are much lower than that. But they're all positioned in a way to get you a product at an entry level that you know, you can be proud of at an entry level. All right, so for the first one we want to talk about, Steve, let's talk about the Mevo. What do you know about the Mevo?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 11:54 You know, we actually use the Mevo a lot at, at Austin Ridge. I think it is one of the coolest app enabled products out there. it's essentially a 4K camera that you can sit on the stand and you hook it up to your iPhone. And then this iPhone allows, or the iPhone or your local Internet connection allows you to stream it live to Facebook, youtube, periscope, Twitter, they have, a Vimeo live stream as part of it, so it is able to do a ton of stuff. But what's really cool about it is it's a 4K camera so you can actually punch in and set it up. So you can have, you know, essentially fake multi-camera shots. That's a beautiful part of shooting 4K because you're streaming 720. Well, now you have a huge pallet to be able to use. Plus you can see comments and likes on the interface, on your phone. The great part is it's under a thousand bucks even for the pro package. And plus you can capture straight to Mevo if you're not capturing to one of your other services.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 13:00 I too, I love the Mevo. I bought one and we used one a lot at Christ fellowship when I was there. And so like we would use it to record or broadcast some of the smaller venue stuff like they had, you know, a 200 person, all staff. And so we would use it to record and broadcast that, you know, set it up like you said, a 4K so it's a wide shot of the stage. And if I wanted to drill in on a guitar solo, you know, press that shot and it cuts real tight to the guitar solo or if I wanted to have track, the lead pastor, when he speaks, he's on roller skates, walk in, left and right. Not, not literal rollerskates here, figurative rollerskates, you know, going back and forth, but it's able to track with him as he's walking. The Mevo if you're looking for that wide shot and you want the ability for somebody to kind of track with it a tight, it's one of my two favorite products that are out there. So definitely consider that. There's a second one. Number two that we're talking about here, is sling studio. So Steve, what do you know about sling studio?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 14:11 So this is one of the ones that I've only been able to play with just a little bit. But we, we demoed it and it's a great way to be able to stream video back to a hub. So you've got a hub, you've got a couple of what they call camera links. You can utilize an iPhone, you can utilize the camera with a hdmi cable to all send video back to your hub. And then you either have a computer or an iPad hooked up to that hub and you can mix all those signals together. I've seen events in student ministries where they've had four people, five people with iPhones all around the room getting shots, and then they're mixed and streamed online. It actually was one of the things I wasn't sure I was going to like but once I saw it at work, I'm like, man, this is cool. Now I'm a huge fan of hardwire. So I love that you can hardwire one in and then have a couple of other cameras strung about the room. At least you always have that hardwire. But it, man, it's same thing. It's streams to a bunch of different services. It can fit in a backpack and actually they sell a backpack for it so you can transport it. Say you're doing an outside baptism or remote service or anything, you have the ability to take this thing with you and do that. And again, this is one like the Mevo, it essentially comes with a camera built in cause you can use your iPhone, your android, anything that pretty much all of us already have and probably 10 other people in the congregation have to.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:44 The thing that it does, you know, the sling studio in the grand scheme is probably one of the higher priced ones we have, but it's because you need to provide the cameras. However, you know, most of us have access to some sort of a DSLR or know someone within our ministries that does. And so what really is a, is a high point, maybe it price-wise cause you need to get all the glass and the cameras for it. It's not really that if you can figure out how to, you know, utilize some of the resources that may be people within your ministry have to make it work. But the one thing, and I don't know if you know specifics on this, Steve, this is the one thing, what I mean, is it hitting Facebook live? Is it hitting youtube, periscope? Does it hit all of those?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 16:30 You know, that's a great question. I know it does Youtube live and Facebook. I don't know that it's hitting periscope yet, with Twitter, but, I'm pretty sure it's got a number of different solutions that it hits. Again, I don't know if it can do, so. Yeah, it does youtube, Facebook live, and it also can stream to a website so it can do a RTMP push out to a website that you've got set up to receive that stream.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:01 Awesome. Well, very cool. So, if for more information on SlingStudio check out the show notes that's listed there. So great product, very flexible in different use cases. You know, with no cameras, probably a little more on the, the high price point with that. Switcher Studio. Steve, I've had exposure with this one, so let me tell you a little bit about this. I've actually got a friend of mine that's using this. And so I went over to his church to go check it out one Sunday. And it was funny. He's like in the in the back with the production department. He's like, "Hey, let me borrow your phone. Hey, let me borrow your phone. He'll let me borrow your phone." And, I'm like, what are you doing? And he's like, "Oh, I'm going to use all these phones for cameras." And then he walked around the worship center and positioned these phones and basically all became the live production cameras for the worship service. So we had like five or six different angles and he's got some like, you know, high school kid in the back of the room with an iPad and the guys just cutting live producing this stuff when it's really just all these phones, all his cameras are just phones. And so like, he always made sure to get the better phones. Like, it was funny, I have an iPhone XR and he saw it after the service and he's like, "Oh, I should've put your phone over here." Cause I guess he had like an iPhone 6 or 5 that he couldn't figure out because you know, the XR's got a better lens. So like the quality is dictated by the camera that you got. With switcher studio, it's actually very similar to Sling Studio, where you can interact and you're cutting to these like on an iPad device from the multiple angles. But instead of having to buy expensive DSLR cameras or barring some of those in place, you know, you're able to crowdsource that and to really pull some of that from just IOS devices, which is phenomenal. So, you know, like say Steve, any thoughts on that? What are some pros or cons?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 19:13 You know, I think that there's a lot of pros on being able to do that. I think Switcher Studio like Sling Studio has that ability to utilize existing lenses that you already have that you can put around the room. I just think there's no loss to that. Imagine having a couple of iPhones that are sitting on your stage and different places that you use to create that. Money there is all in the software and the studio itself as you're just using what everbody already has, which is an iPhone, so it's a great investment. I also think from what I'm seeing here, there's probably some other ways you can use Switcher Studio for video blogs and different things that you want to be able to use to, to connect with people throughout the week. So it's a great look and solution.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:07 Definitely. I think, I don't know that I've done the exact math on this and it depends upon how long you run it out. Cause I think switcher studio is a monthly as opposed to like the Mevo, which is a one time, but I'm pretty sure switcher studio may be the cheapest option. At least it's the cheapest multi-camera option out there to get involved in. So like if you're looking for a real entry level device, an entry level system to start the broadcast checkout Switcher Studio. And that's at switcherstudio.com. More information of course will be in the show notes as we're getting into there. But now we're gonna move into maybe another suite here. So let's talk about the Epiphan Webcaster x2 and I always hesitate whenever I say Epiphan. I have no idea. Is it E-piph-fan? E-piph-fen?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 21:00 I've always said ep-if-phen.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:02 Okay. I mean, like I said, I don't, it looks like Greek almost. Anyway, whatever it is. The Webcaster X2. Google "Webcaster X2" listening audience out there and you'll be great. Hey Steve, tell me about this device.
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 21:22 So this is probably one of my favorites. I'm a big fan of the Ephiphan products and the Webcaster X2 is set up to be able to stream to Facebook live, youtube, twitch, switchboard cloud, few others in there as well. It takes a HDMI in and it can also take in a separate audio signal. It's really cool as you can actually buy one of those Shure USB audio interfaces and plug it directly into the X2 and just bring in audio from your console. It also takes audio indirectly from your camera. And then the other thing that I really dig about it is if you've got a touch screen monitor, you plug that monitor directly into the X2 and all the interfaces right there. So you don't need a mouse and keyboard and everything. It's, it's small. It literally can fit in the palm of your hands. It can do Wifi, it can do ethernet. It's just really, really a stable solution that can broadcast where you need it to go. Like I said I'm a big fan of this box. Now, I think one of the limitations of the X2 is that you have to pick a service to send it to. So it's not something that's going to send to four or five, six services. You're picking one of those services. So there are some limitations to this box and if you want to go past those limitations, you're looking at one of their larger products. They've got the Ephiphan Pearl mini, the Pearl2 all kinds of other stuff like this. But if you are saying, you know what, we're not paying for youtube service or the twitch service, we just want to go to Facebook live and that is where we're going to put our focus. This is probably one of the better choices for y'all.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:08 Yeah. And so I've, I've got one of my clients is using the Webcaster X2 and loves it. I've got another that's looking into it. The thing with the two churches that are, for me, that are utilizing this device, they are putting the cameras at the far back of the worship center, which is an extreme distance away from the stage. And so in order to really get that stage wide shot they're looking for, for the lockdown, they needed a camera with a stronger telephoto Lens. And so it was kind of cheaper to buy the nicer camera and then broadcast that out to the Epiphan to the Webcaster X2 rather than, you know, that's the limitation of the Mevo. The Mevo that far away, you would be drilling in, but the wide shot is so wide, there's really not enough pixels to really get the detail that you're looking for. Whereas because they're not doing a digital zoom, the cameras that they've got have more of an optical zoom. It looks much better when you're zooming in to get that, that stage-wide feel. So you are going to have to pay for the camera on this and if you need something that's got more of a zoom on that, like a single camera going through an Epiphan is great. It's actually like an android box isn't it? As I recall, like the guts of it, Steve.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:39 Yeah. And so like it totally operates like an android os and when I was configuring it, I'm an IOS guy and I'm like, well crap, now I got to, you know, learn how to deal with android and stuff. To call on one thing, I did see this recently, they did figure out how to do multiple platforms, multiple channels stream. But you don't stream direct to the channel, you stream to a cloud service that they charge a monthly for and then that cloud service breaks it up and sends to the multiple. So it's kind of, I'm not saying it's clunky, but it's not a polished part of it, but if you are like gun to my head, I got to do youtube and Facebook at the same time, like Epiphan can do it. It just may not be as best as some of the other options that are out there. So that is definitely an option, so that was number four. Number five is the Blackmagic Web Presenter. Steve, what do you know about that one?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 25:51 So this, this is one of the newer ones. It's come out in the past year. It can do Facebook live or youtube and a few others in there as well. I've not had a chance to play with this box, but it is in a sense very similar to the X2 in the sense that you can hook up a remote camera, you can set it in the back of the room so you have a little bit more flexibility or you can hook it up to a switcher if you have a video switcher and use that to stream. So it's got plenty of options there and then it does have a SDI in and on the back if I'm not mistaken. So that way if your camera has a HD SDI source, you have that availability too as well. It works really well with the full suite of products. So again, it's another really solid box for you to be able to stream into. It can use the USB Webcam as well, and then you can bring audio in from an external source.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 26:56 Yeah. As we're going further down this list and Blackmagic I think is one of the first that can work kind of as an entry level device. But as your system grows and evolves and as you add that switcher, as you add the more of a physical switcher or not the iPad switcher, which are, as you add more, you know, cameras, that black magic web presenter can grow with you for a season. Like I've, I've known people who are using the web presenter with just a one camera shoot. But I know that there are organizations that are using it as a switcher output that are feeding in or broadcasting for s multiple. So there's definitely room and stability to grow, you know. Transparently, and I'll be this guy, sometimes Blackmagic as a brand gets a little sketchy in the context of lifetime on gear. Sometimes what normally would last four or five years with Blackmagic lasts two. But the thing I love about Blackmagic is it's often still cheap. So if you had to buy it every two years, it's still cheaper than buying something else that won't last four or five. So, you may just kind of, I tell people sometimes it's like you can buy that just like budget for its replacement sooner than not.
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 28:19 But I will say if you're building out a system and you've got some of those teranext adapters and you're putting them on a rack shelf, this one fits right in that rack shelf form factor. If you're doing portable in any way, shape or form, it's a very nice portable option. So, you know, I'm one that can get down on black magic sometimes, but this, I think, is a great option to be considered. And again, the price point on this product is great, so even if it does break, you are not,, everything breaks. you're not out tens of thousands of dollars. So I would take a serious look at this box.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:58 Awesome. Last up, number six for us is Telestream's Wirecast Software and there's several different flavors of this. But Steve, why don't you unpack a little bit here about wirecast.
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 29:13 So Wirecast was probably the first thing I use to stream online, it is all software based. So you have a computer, you load the software up, you get your camera input into it and you are good to go. Wirecast will stream just about anywhere and everywhere you want to go. So you get an interface for your camera. Blackmagic makes a bunch, a bunch of companies make interfaces for them. You get that camera into your computer and then you can stream that anywhere. So sources such as a Facebook, websites, Vimeo, anything can stream to it. Wirecast can do it. Wirecast is a bunch of different options down from their most basic, which runs about 250 bucks, which gives you one video input, all the way up to their pro, which expands inputs. You can use fancy, funky things like NDI video inputs. They kind of made this Wirecast to be a "sky's the limit" type of thing. So it's a great product, but again, you need an external camera or two or three depending on how you want to use the software and then you're going to need a video and/or audio interface to get that video into your computer. So it's a little bit more complex, but it's probably the most robust is the wrong word, but multi-use piece that we've talked about yet today.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:47 Yeah. So I love wirecast in many different ways. One of my favorite features of Wirecast is the ability to add in content exclusive for online separate then the broadcast. And so let me unpack a couple things here. Maybe you want to create announcements for the online audience where you've got people who are not connecting to you. Let me say it this way, you've got people who are connecting to your church that aren't engaged with the physical church and so maybe the campus pastor announcements from the broadcast campus don't fit the bill, don't connect with somebody watching from another city or state or you know. Maybe you want to do a pre-service countdown that's more front door friendly cause you got a bunch of front door attenders who are checking out the service before they're walking on campus.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:45 Or maybe the teaching pastors application as he's ending the message and landing the plane, the applications more for in the room and it doesn't connect with the online audience. You want to do something with online. And so what Wirecast does is it allows you to insert content, even a video content, photo content, another camera content, ayers of keys on top with texts and other information in real time. And so that is a resource hog. And so if you're running it on a Mac and a PC, it's okay, we're going to build this machine up and up and up. But of all the ones that we listed here of the five, they're all kind of, "we're just going to broadcast whatever is happening in the worship center." Now that we're talking about Wirecast, Wirecast is the first one that really say, "Okay, I can broadcast what's in here, but I also can broadcast some other things with that."
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:29 And so that's probably the closest, more to like a mid level, upper level. You know, the order we went through kind of the Mevo, the Switcher Studio, the Sling Studio, the Epiphan, the Blackmagic. Like that's maybe that's like elementary to middle school type of thing where we're growing more and more complicated as we're growing down that list. Next episode we're going to dive into maybe the deep end of the pool, maybe get more into high school. College as we're going to bring in the Living as One guys. It's a phenomenal product that they've got out there and with Living As One. Also a lot of what we want to talk about next week is the advanced broadcasts like how to do professional video, how to get your audio to sound good with that. And so it's not maybe as much on the technical aspects of, of the encoding and decoding, but hey, if you're a church out there that's doing a broadcast and you're looking to take those next steps on how to elevate your game, what do you do? How do you do that? And so, Collin, Paul and Steve's coming back for the next episode where we're really going to start to unpack that. And so that's going to be a great one. We definitely are excited about that. So, hey Steve, thanks for joining this time and jumping on in this and, man, we're looking forward to having you again next time. Hey, Steve before we wrap 20 seconds. Anything to land the plane?
  
  
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  Steven Kaminsky: 37:05 Now don't let things stop you from getting things out. We talk about the folks who are already there. We talk about the front door and being able to invite someone in. Don't ignore that front door option. People don't come to the church for answers anymore. They're looking to so many other things. But online can be a front door and it's an easy way to say, "Hey, I know you don't want to come to church with me. Check us out online." So guys, I implore you, don't let things be a barrier because these options, so we've talked about today, are really taking away any barrier that you might have putting your content online.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 37:40 That's awesome. The lobby of your church does not exist in physical space, only the lobby of your church, the first impression, the parking lot of your church, it exists in church online. And so get it out there it exists in social media. Get these resources, get these out there, get your services out there so people can see it, can experience it, can get a feel for who you are, and then use your church online as to draw them in, to pull them in to your physical campuses, uh, through your discipleship process. So, Hey Steve, man, thanks for sharing, being part of this episode. If people want to find you online, where can they find you?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 38:37 Yeah. By the way, you didn't talk a lot about portable church, phenomenal company, phenomenal organization. Straight up. If a company, if a church I know is launching in a portable landscape, well, I did it. One of my clients was and the first person I texted was Steven Kaminsky. So reach out to Steve and in those contexts and he'll definitely get you connected and going in the right direction. My name's Jeff and it's been a great episode. Glad you've been here and thanks for listening. Bye.
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                    Plenty of people can see the positives of Church Online, and how Church Online can complement their church's ministry at physical campuses. Some can see of Church Online can even expand their church's influence to disciple a whole new group of people. But while many see the positives, many do not. In 2019, most churches do not have a purpose, or see the why, behind Church Online. We've discussed this in the past: 
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Well. Hello there. Welcome to the church at digital podcast. My name is Jeff and I'm glad you're joining us again today. This is episode 10 this is a unique episode, a little different than maybe some of the ways we've done in the past. You see back in episode nine, Rey DeArmas online pastor at Christ fellowship and myself were having a long conversation with a lead pastor, Eric Geiger from Mariners Church out in California and we were wrapping up the episode. It was a great episode in context of talking about Omni Church and maybe even Omni channel, Omni Communications, Omni church, a uniting church online and in physical campuses online. In context of communication. Eric Geiger actually brought up a new term, at least a new term to me, honestly, a unified church, a unified commerce where it actually more tightly intertwined things, not just from a communications perspective but actually into a more deeper, much more richer ministry mindset where the church, where the company physically interacts in physical space or virtual space the same way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:07 Great concept. Loved it. And so if you're interested in more of that, check out episode nine. But at the end of the episode I asked Eric Geiger a question. I thought it was landing the plane and I asked a simple question. When you're making a decision about something in context of church online, what insight do you take as, as leaders underneath you? How can we communicate effectively to you to show you, to convince you a, to give you information towards what would lead you as a lead pastor to make a decision at this level. And honestly, I was surprised that, uh, 30 minutes later we were still talking at that one answer. And so rather than the pile it into one episode, we broke it up into two. So what you're listening to here is, Eric Geiger lead passenger for Mariners church in California, Rey DeArmas online pastor at Christ fellowship in Miami as well as myself, Jeff with TheChurch.Digital and a simple conversation, how to talk to your leadership about church online.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:10 You go, how do you as, as a lead pastor, Mariners is huge. Like, and just the, in a context of size California, you've got a wide varying range of people that attend different demographics, different. How do you make a decision for something like this? Like theologically, I'm agreeing with this, I'm not agreeing to this. Once again, I'm not, I don't want to put you on the spot offered a decision in a direction but more of what decisions cause cause realize that people that are listening to this are technical people that need to convince someone like you have what the way that they think. And so coach me through here, how can we connect with, with us as a high level leader to show you some of these things to get you to understand?
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 03:01 Hmm. That's a great question man. All right. So you're saying that most people are listening right now. Are guys and girls like you and Rey and how do they, how do they have a combo with a senior pastor, executive pastor to push the ball a little further down the field? Yes sir. Okay. I it, you know, it always depends on how compelled the leader is by data. But if the leader is compelled by Beta, the data that you have at your disposal is staggeringly compelling. Right now on a couple of things. The number of people who are, who are watching services online, they are, it is really going, it is really increasing really high. Uh, I mean, we might be up like 45% on any given weekend right now online compared to the previous year. That's, I mean, how do you not pay attention to that? And then it's, bye.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 03:55 Okay. Do you not want to, what are we going to do with all of these people? You know, are there, they are watching and they're not, these aren't people just hitting, hitting the site, you know, and, oh, and these aren't people who are watching like on Tuesday night, these are people watching the live stream, which to me that's a different thing because if you're watching on Tuesday night, it might be my mom, you know, who's already put, which she does watch every week. Um, she's plugged into another church. I don't, I don't feel any responsibility for her. I mean, I do it's my mom, but not as, not as some. She's already in plugged into a church. Right. With the people who watch live on Sunday morning or Saturday night, that's a different thing. I mean, I'm, are they plugging in or they're not plugged into a church? Are they plugged into our church? Who are these people? Eric, look at how many people watched last week during church and then you know, here's where they're from. Eric, check it out. They are from, you know, x percent are from like within a 10 mile radius. I mean, I think that would get attention. Big Time.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 08:07 Uh, we take a look at Facebook shares. Uh, we can take a look and see how links, uh, kind of bounce around. Um, and then of course we see with some of the different views come from and then when they reach out to us, that's where we get a definite sense of, hey, how'd you hear about us and how did this happen? And it spurs on a lot more of a detailed conversation. Sometimes it's family and sometimes it's a friend and sometimes it's, I googled the church and your name, your name popped up. And this is how I started interacting with your content. I don't live in a place where there's a great theology or where there's a great content popping up, uh, church wise. And so I started interacting with you guys and this is how I can about it. Rob, a small group leader that Jeff helped bring up and disciple and now he's underneath my care. He's leading an online group from the UK, but he actually found us because his company headquarters was here in Miami down the street from our West Kendall campus and took that back with them. So there's so many different ways that that comes in.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 09:02 That's cool. I mean, I would love to know you wrestled with the missiology. Like I want the message shared and then the Ecclesiology, do I want to, do, I want to assume spiritual responsibility for people there or help those people get connected to a church right there, right. Cause we don't have a church there. I would not want to assume shepherding and responsibility there, but I want to do, you know, I want the message out. I'd want to try to help them get connected to a church there, you know? Yes. But I realized that everyone would use that differently. So I'm not cracking on, on that way. I just am glad you have a strategy.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 09:39 Yeah. And for us it's been a connection first, kind of a strategy to help them get connected locally. That's where Jay Frantic, he's been on a past episode of the podcast has been helpful. He's the, he's the online pastor over at Saddleback where he looks at things through an online to offline, kind of mode of trying to help people and to get into offline community relationships. Whether that's connecting them to a local church or even a local Christian community in their area. Trying to help them find a place to get shepherd and not just purely keep them here online, but sometimes to your point and this is where the relationship begins, where that transitions onto and how we can help them get connected in that community. That's kind of how we viewed the road for them.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 10:19 Yeah, you do a great job when I watch you Rey, on CF Miami on the online thing, you know, getting, doing the connect card and all, how many people a week fill that out.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 10:32 It averages maybe around six or seven right now, a week. And so I don't want to, you know, it's funny because, and different churches experiences out of like the quote unquote thousands of views that you get. Sometimes you'll get x amount of interactions and for us those interactions become gold. They become valuable in terms of helping them take the next step.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 10:50 If someone's fill that out online, it's like they really are wanting some kind of communication.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 10:56 Yeah. They want to reach out to us in some kind of way. And for us we take that and we run with it as much as they'll allow us. Um, which is why even things is even being specific in terms of we tried to make a lot of those fields required, whereas somebody may fill out a connection card at a location, right? And they may just put their name and drop it in the plate. We're looking for contact information in the sense of driving towards, you know, in the workforce or in the sales force. They might look at it as a lead. We see it as gold in the same kind of way we're, we're trying to get their contact information so that we can help them get connected as quickly as possible. So we, that's why we make a strong drive beginning of the broadcast, mid broadcast and then broadcast to make sure and ask for that. And there are even times where I've thought of throughout the message kind of doing popups and just saying, hey, if you're just happening in joining us in the live stream or whatever, make sure and stop by if cfmiami.org/connect and get connected with us so that we can help you take that next step.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 11:47 I'm sorry to hijack the broadcast. Jeff, go for it. I'm asking questions that I think, you know you sent me off earlier by saying, Hey, what are senior pastors wanting to know? So this is kind of stuff I want to know. What do you guys find in terms of, would be the stats I'm curious about is, I'm looking for active versus passive. You know, cause I guess a fear of online is, man, they're, you know, they're, they're doing four things while they're watching, you know, and I don't even know how you would gauge that. So this is the only one I can think of is how we're, like in an hour and 10 minute service, what percentage are tapped in, you know, for an hour, hour or more of that in, or what are there just for like three or four minutes of the service, what percentage of the total stat is there? You can tell them and they, they showed up, they were there on time and they stayed the thing like it looked like this was their service.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:50 Yeah, in my experience, it's not a lot that will tap in for the entire thing.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 12:55 It's not, it's not alot?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:57 No. And here's, and here's kind of thing cause you're looking at long form content and, and so some folks we'll check in and check out as they go along. Uh, and we'll see that. And given live livestream, we're where folks will show up for whatever reason, check out for a moment, check back in, check back out. And so there's been different applications for that, um, as far as how that works out in terms of the live stream. And then for on demand content, which there's two different strategies as far as how that works. I think of the way that I personally listened to podcast and then I talked to people as far as how they engage with the online service. Sometimes they'll take it in bites, almost like points in the message. Like on drive time, I'm catching point A, I'm getting home, I'm turning on the TV, turn on my apple TV, Youtube, get to point B, you know, fast forward I get there, hey, watch making dinner, come back in for point C or something along those lines.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 13:43 They are tapping in continually thru content?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:47 That's the thing, they're coming back in at different points and so they might not sit there and watch it all in one particular showing, but they're checking in and checking out in different portions, which even has me considering chopping up different versions of the content and making it available and that kind of way so that people can digest them in that kind of way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:05 I've got a Pastor right now that I'm talking to about doing church online and his goal is to record a five to 10 minutes sermon in his house and his studio, he's got set up on Thursday night. And so for him it's like, I'm going to record this for online and rather than broadcasting the live thing, this is the message that he's going to send out.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 14:27 Because it's the same content, or like shorter conversion of the content or a whole different message?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:33 It's the same message. You know, it's, it's a point one, two, three cut-out point two. And I'm like, well, if you do that, you're murdering it. And he's like, well, I can take out some of the stories and, and adjusting it. And so it's the same message, call it a condensed version that that's more tailored for the online audience. And realizing, Eric, you know this, uh, just like you're going to have people that aren't going to connect in the audience, uh, are online. Your audiences is disconnected as well. That guy in the back row, that's half the sleep is really half asleep.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 15:05 And so I want to be consistent on the, uh, expectations. You know, like I don't want to put a harder burden on online then I'll put on, but I just, I want someone to give me the data. You said you were asking me, how does somebody lead up to the senior pastor, helping me see that would would get my attention, you know?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:21 Yeah. It's, go ahead and go ahead Rey.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:24 I was gonna say, Jay Kranda, I'm going to reference them again just cause he recently put out like a little blog post on addressing the three audiences as well and taking a look at who's joining you in the room, who's joining you in the live stream and who's joining you on demand later on in terms of how you're addressing them in your, in your sermon context as well, knowing that your people are engaging you in so many different ways. Um, and kind of even finding small tidbits, not just the beginning of the message in terms of grading them, but finding different ways to acknowledge them. I've heard Andy Stanley do this on and off and his messages where sometimes he'll even say, hey, some of you are listening to me right now and you need to go talk to your real pastor. You know the guy that's actually there, your character, you're listening to me online and, and so he'll, he'll make your ears perk up and that kind of way of, oh, he's talking to me or hey, he's talking to me while I'm in my car or something like that.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 16:13 Yeah, that's good. I have not done a good job here. Jeff you have, you know, we did in Miami. I did get good at addressing the campuses. I got good at that. I got good at looking at the camera and hey, you know, Rey, you were at coral gables. You know, I got good at talking to gables or talking to West Kendall. I haven't gotten, I have not developed the discipline yet of talking to the online group. I have not done good at that yet.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:39 I will say that it does help. Absolutely. If you're, so, if you're looking at the data that Jeff's talking about and we've seen this, um, like a couple of weeks ago I acknowledged, hey, we got a lot of folks watching this in South Carolina, we want to give you guys a shout out. Little things like that. All of a sudden they're their attention perks up. Man.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 16:59 Is that like Rick's old high school buddies sitting around in Rock Hill?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:04 there's a girl, I don't know if she's still doing it, but there was a woman who lived in Rock Hill, South Carolina that was leading an online small group. It wasn't from Rick's church. She was from Miami who moved to rock hill and then ended up and she was leading online small group with their friends and her family. Miami and Rock Hill, it was kind of a blended group.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 17:24 That's weird dude. Miami and Rock Hill. That's like the two biggest differences.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:27 Who would have thought? And transparently, what I did, "Hey Rick, you're never gonna believe this." And I told him that story. I'm forwarding emails because I'm trying to get him as I'm online pastor. He's pastor Rick, understand there's a story here. There's a soul, there's a person here that's connected to our church in your hometown and, and as much as data plays a part of it, there's also a face to that data.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 17:56 Now that's good. Uh, so that's a good, that's a better answer. So bring data but bring some stories too.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:03 Absolutely. That's just the stories that once and once you start engaging in America, the story start piling up. They start coming in as far as, Hey, I'm watching you on from here. Thank you so much. And even to the point and um, as you start to sprawl out in your community, we've seen this, Eric, you know, how much we want it to like focus in on Dade County, but we had, we have a lot of people on that Broward line, who will drive down to Christ fellowship. But then this also became a way for them to connect on a regular basis. And there are times where hey to shepherd them, I've driven up there and provide some counseling or some different stuff just because.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 18:43 I guess I'm still the same guy cause I you just said that. I remember, I guess I was that way in Miami too. I was like, no, no, no, we're only going to be Miami Dade. Only Miami Dade.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 18:52 I told a pastor this this week and it was funny. He's like, I totally agree with that. And then I said it to him again and he's like, I'm not sure if this is what I said. I said, you got to realize that it may be better for that woman who's sitting in your pew at your church right now to stay at home and invite 10 of her friends over to watch this church service on her TV and the, and the pastor's like, that's awesome. That's great. And I'm like, wait, you say that? And I hear that a lot. But when push comes to shove, there's something that stops us from releasing people out of our buildings to go do this in, in the neighborhoods, in there, in the homes where they all are. Because we, there's still this innate thing that drives us to gather them in. And to me, that's the thing that, that church online does, is it gives the church permission to release people into communities, to release people to where they are. It's that it's, it's the go and do instead of come and see.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 19:50 Yeah. I think the, um, it goes back to that theological conversation. If you are, if you, if you can't get over the theological hurdle, I respect you, but if you, if you're over the theological hurdle, then you really are asking a philosophical like, which do you prefer seeing them or the, or knowing this other thing happening, you know. So I think that's a wise way to put it. Jeff. That's good.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:15 That's awesome. Um, man, what's next? We just totally went through everything and I know it's been a, it's been a long podcast. This has been really good stuff. Man, Eric, I just, I miss you man.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 20:31 I'm good. I mean I miss, I miss these kind of combos with you, man. We always did have, we always went deep, real fast.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:37 I'll tell you what I remember. I remember the first night I met you and if you do at the airport.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 20:44 Was it the night that you drove me around at two in the morning buying socks?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:47 Yeah. Whatever, long story short, I got to tell this story, but it is, cause this is just classic for us. I was, I was at Christ fellowship, I think it was First Baptist Church of Perrine.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 21:00 It was First Baptist Church of Perrine at the time.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:02 Yeah, and so like I, it the church was um, Eric was coming in to, to preach in view of a call and I was like student intern or something and they were like, Hey, Jeff's young, Eric's young, Jeff, go pick up Eric and his wife at the airport. And that was Saturday night and a man, it was like, it what your, your flight was delayed. And I think, I think it finally landed at like 1:00 AM or something like that. And the luggage was gone. And so like he's supposed to be preaching at eight hours, um, and doesn't have a suit, doesn't have anything. And he like flew in from vacation that was wearing a Hawaiian shirt and it, he's like, what do I do? And I'm like, it was funny. It was, I was living at my parents at the time. My wife was on a mission trip. Uh, my house was being built, so that's why I met my parents. My parents were gone and I'm like, dude, come stay at my parents' house. You can sleep in their bed. And you know, my dad, who was a lot larger than Eric was, you know, hopefully maybe you can find the suit or something that'll work there. We ended up going to like what Walmart at 1:00 AM or 2:00 AM to buy socks and underwear.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:11 Dude, that's what you were going to get the suit from Walmart. I was like, whoa. That had to be a bad suit, man.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 22:16 I literally preached and Walmart Clothes and in view of a call after sleeping in Jeff's dad's bed.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:23 I want to tell this part of the story cause Eric, I don't know that I've ever told you this in my heart there was something that was stirring right. And I remember this like clear before that before I went and picked you up at the airport. And I can remember sitting at home in my father's den, which was part of the area that we were living in and, and I was praying for you and I was praying for the relationship that you and I would have. I was praying for the relationship and the impact that you would have at that church. And I can tell you Christ fellowship is still, has your touch on it is still impacted by you? My life directly, the person that I am today and how I lead and manage in the stuff that I'm saying is, is directly in relation to our experiences together for that short, long time. So, uh, you know, the good and the bad, the plus and the minus end of the day. Man, I, I love you for many, many reasons.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 23:25 That means a ton. I loved working with both you guys and I, I've told people this, uh, about Jeff and gosh, I, we broke a lot of rules as launching, launching campuses with volunteers. I mean shoestring budgets and all of us had multiple hats. A man Jeff Reed was responsible on a part time basis to launch all of the, the camp. I mean, I can't even imagine that I would ask somebody to do that now. Um, if I showed up at our staff today and said, we're going to hire a part time guy who's gonna run all of this stuff, they would be like, what? I mean in Bro, you built volunteer teams and, and you were, uh, make it happen guy. And uh, it was, it was an incredible run, man. I look back and I have just such great memories.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:09 All right. Hey, so, um, hey Rey, as, as we're closing up any, any thoughts?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 24:15 Absolutely. Can you hit it right on the head, you know, uh, as far as some of the theological implications in questions that we're going to have moving forward and encouraging pastors to take practical steps and to reconsider as far as taking the content that they're creating and putting it out there where they appreciate you encouraging him with that. And for any of you out there who are tinkering with, you know, with Church online and we've put putting your services online or whatever else, bring your pastor that data, talk to them, uh, let them know that there's great possibilities out there. Love what Eric had to share. That was great.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 24:44 Hey, I'm, I'm curious on the guys that you're talking to who are in the roles that you guys are in and had been in, um, ha. How much percent of their role is technical and how much percent of their roles pastoral. And I know that there's tools like you mentioned Jeff, that are like Google analytics. Um, you know, they obviously they don't have to Google, we'll run the analytics for you, but they still have to understand what you said a moment ago of like, I mean, you said it like it's no big deal. You know, it, all I got to do is grab some code, put it on their website and you know, for a lot of senior pastors that don't, that don't need it, but that's, that's like another language. So yes.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:22 So thechurch.digital go to your web browser, the church period digital. Um, here's the deal. Here's in the, on, we were talking about this with Kranda and uh, maybe a month ago, a couple months ago, um, everybody in an online environment, there's only like 20 people who are dedicated in the country to online. Even Rey himself is shared context where he's doing online, but he's doing a bunch of other roles with digital strategy and things like that.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 25:52 That's fascinating. You're saying there's only 20 pastors in America that are, that are fully dedicated online?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:58 Yes. Yeah. And I've actually, that number's come from two different sources. So that's just not meaningful. You know, and so, but as a, as a result of that, it's, it's a shared role between like a student guy and online or a worship guy and online.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 26:13 Rey, what's your second hat?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:16 So my second high, I oversee all things web and digital here now. Um, everything from APP development to a, we're going to be launched and off the new version of our website soon to to get some different stuff. And, and even then I've been brought in a whole bunch on the creative side, everything from writing a lot of the background to shaping our environments because of its implications for what it would mean for online. And so my seat at that table is become very valuable because we're, we're not just thinking of the people in the room were thinking about the, and then we're thinking about how reports out to everybody else who's watching this. So when it comes to that, sitting, sitting in those meetings, uh, having an inability to help shape those things is crucial. So this way, when I'm looking at the service on Sunday morning, I'm not surprised by a whole bunch or I'm not saying, hey guys, this is very disengaging for thousands of people who are watching us. Uh, we have to do a better job of engaging them, of making sure that we are, uh, not, not guiding the service towards them, but at least including them or thinking of them in some kind of way. Yeah. So that's where that's becoming a valuable. And then the last thing is, is um, mobile has become so crucial in terms of how people are engaging our sure. Right. For sure. Majority of people who are engaging in not just our website, but our content in general aren't doing it, you know, on a desktop or a laptop. Like what we're all doing now as we record this podcast. They're doing it through a mobile device. And so I'm even reorienting a lot of our strategy as far as being more and more oriented towards the mobile device, uh, and just being part of those conversations moving forward. It's big.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 27:48 That's good. So in your role do you could, do you know how to like pull the Google analytics or you haven't get somebody else to do that?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:56 It's, it's both an if something kind of jumps up over my head, I'll reach out to a coder or something or somebody who's versed in this and the code community has grown huge in Miami. Uh, so we're even, you know, when I'm visiting, when I go back to my campus at coral gables or when I'm visiting campuses, I'll have people come up to me who come out of that school saying, Hey, if you guys ever need any help, just give me a call. And that's become such a great tool and resource and it helps them feel like they've got a place where they could serve home, use their gifts.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 28:25 So our volunteers being engaged in that at CF?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:27 Absolutely. It's been very helpful for us and very helpful for me because, you know, there's been a lot of new, in terms of jumping into this role wholeheartedly. There's been a lot of new and having people help who helps speak the language and help decodify. Cause you remember when I was, when I was interning at Christ fellowship, I worked at the apple store.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 28:46 I remember that, dude.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:47 Yeah. So I already had like a lot of background that God was guiding things that I had no idea
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 28:52 Both you and Jeff were apple snobs.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:54 Oh, absolutely.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:56 I totally represent that. No, that, that's fine.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 28:59 Hey, Jeff, this ties into one more thing you asked earlier, uh, you asked, you asked like how, how does a guy in your role get to this in your Pastor? A rate, this is big right here. Talk about the number of people in the church who, who, uh, would love to volunteer in this kind of role. Who, who have technical abilities in this role. They're wondering if they're wondering if they're, uh, craft can be used for the kingdom. Absolutely. You, you would pull my heart at that point. Cause I would feel like, man, I'm preaching these, I'm preaching these folks that, that their work can be safe, sacred. And they have these, they have these, um, these great gifts. Are we giving them a chance to use it?
  
  
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                    Simply put, Church Online is more than your weekend service. Church Online does have an opportunity to expand your reach across the Internet. That being said, some churches are only interested in impacting people locally, within a specified region. For those churches, Church Online is still essential as we have an opportunity to create a Unified Experience across the church and Church Online, allowing people to become, and create, disciples physically and digitally.
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                    Ever wonder why the church sees Church Online as an obstacle? Like seriously, why are pastors so hesitant to embrace the idea of online/digital in context of church? To change culture in a church, truthfully, you have to understand why the Pastor or Leadership Team is the way they are. 
  
  
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                    Understand that these misperceptions are often based on an individual's personal experience. So, the misperception that you can't do Biblical Community online could be based on an individual's personal bad experience with an online community like Facebook. As much as the Theological concern is biblical, Practical concerns are more humanistic, opinionated. These are still difficult to overcome, but utilize a completely different approach.
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                    What started as a simple podcast with the goal of a strategic conversation on Omnichannel Communication and Unified Commerce quickly went another (and far more interesting) direction. On the podcast Eric Geiger, Lead Pastor at Mariners Church, transitioned quickly to the theological role of Ekklesia biblically, and some of the 
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody. Welcome to the church digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and it is a pleasure to have you join us again today. We've got a great episode and I'm excited about today's guest. Once again, I do have Rey DeArmas joining us as a cohost, so hey ray, you want to say hate everybody?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:17 Great to be with you guys again,
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:23 I appreciate that, Eric. Thank you.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:26 Good stuff. Hey. Oh, we already tipped up. I thought we were going to play another game. Guess, the host that was guests, the guests, so hey, guests, the guests. That's weird. Hey, we've got Eric Geiger, Reverend Eric Geiger from Mariners Church lead pastor on the podcast today. I am moving up in the world. I call it in a bunch of favors to get this guy in here and
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 00:48 it wasn't that hard dude.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:49 Listen, Eric, Eric has a, we used to work together at Christ fellowship Miami back in the day before. Even before simple church was a thing or maybe simple church was coming a thing. I'm not actually sure all that, right?
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 01:02 Yeah. It's around the same time and all it all somewhere around that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:04 Yeah. So, uh, Eric was executive pastor at Christ fellowship in Miami where I was production guy in the eighth him and Ray, you had some, you had some time with God. You're down there as well, right?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 01:15 Oh, absolutely. I, I consider Eric to be a huge influence on my life in ministry. Just phenomenal. Very good stuff. Okay,
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 01:22 thanks. Thanks both of you guys.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:24 So we're going to do a little surprise here. Let's play the game of Best Eric Geiger Story. No, I'm kidding. We're not going to cause a, yeah
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 01:32 they have some tech. I mean, I mean Jeff, there is a, the problem is, um, you, I think you were the one who coined the phrase the curse of the Geiger. Wow. Yeah. Mics kept going bad whenever I spoke
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:46 will attest to this that I have never seen anyone with as much bad luck when it comes to tech and is Eric Geiger is. And as much as the bad microphones are, it's not nearly as bad as Spanish soap opera on this screen.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 02:00 So that was crazy. Middle of your message, like reaching in a Spanish soap opera popped up on the screen behind me. Oh my God. It really, no audio. Just the video theologically now. Now Jeff, you weren't in charge of that at the time.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 02:17 responsible for that. But James, who was at the time, who's a great guy, I mean he, I mean, he can't even look to me like I have. No, I just never in my life I'd ever thought that would happen. So theologically, it's either the Lord loves me a ton and, and he trusts that I can be sanctified by those things and the enemy's really out to get me because I'm being used by the Lord or, or I just have a whole lot of sin in my life. You know, it's like one of the two things, right?
  
  
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  New Speaker: 02:46 Or it could that the Lord wanted to reveal that Carlos splints, say famous soap opera star is a member of Christ fellowship and show him and all of his glory. Yeah. Show him during a sermon. Maybe
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:00 a little bit of humility in the involved in the conversation, but we'll just roll on from there. Hey, so, so here's what we wanted to talk about here at the church digital podcast and try to have some semblance of conversation and involved in this. So, uh, Eric, I'm feel like I'm going to call him Geiger for the episode and I apologize, but that's what I've called him for a decade plus. Um, he wrote a, an article in response to a Dave Adamson article about Omni Church and it was this, it was this great thing. And I read the article, I was like, man, I got to get Eric on here because I want to really hone in on a couple of these points talking about Omni Omni channel and Geiger transported into moving omnichannel into Omnichurch, which I love. But Hey, I know Rey DeArmas is like the, every time we talk about Omni channel he like lights up and goes crazy here on the show. So Ray, man, a two minute overview. What is Omni Channel?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 03:54 The idea of it basically is that you're looking at your online church and your local church. And Eric, feel free to correct me here. Um, just a little bit more unified light in terms of the way that people are encountering and experiencing not just a sermon content, but even some of your discipleship content. Um, different organizations, uh, like home depot. I love using home depot as an example. When I buy something from Homedepot.com, I, when people ask me where I got it, I say I bought it from Home Depot. Whether I went into the store or whether I got it from their website, it's to me it doesn't matter. I just tell them where I, where I received it from. And so in the same way churches, uh, not just through their content, but even through community, have some pretty unique opportunities by keeping their discipleship process and everything aligned in digital spaces and not just in physical spaces. And so, Eric, can you tell us a little bit more as far as how you view Omni channel and the church and how some of that's broken or even kind of changed your mind on things?
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 04:51 No, no, no. You described it perfectly. So, uh, you know, on the channel would be a, it was a word initially designed for ecommerce and marketing saying hey, it doesn't matter at or where the customer interacts with Home Depot or best buy or, or any company, um, they don't care which channel you're in is as long as you, you know, do commerce with them and have a relationship with them. So if you'd apply omnichannel of church, you wouldn't necessarily it to the extreme degree wouldn't, you wouldn't care if the person connected to your church via some social channel as long as they interacted with the same content, you wouldn't care if that was live or you know, via social. You just wanted the interaction to happen. The deeper layer, which I didn't spend a lot of time talking about on them, on the blog.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 05:44 If you don't have time to really process it is even in an Omni channel strategy. Like Warby Parker for example, if you look at them, uh, sunglasses, they open up brick and mortar. So they started online and they moved to brick and mortar. So it's not only brick and mortar companies like home depot who then moved online. You have online companies that moved to brick and mortar. And the reason they moved to brick and mortar is because they actually feel, or research has told them that the conversion rate is higher in brick and mortar than it is online. So online he might have a conversion rate. You know, if you go to Warby Parker website, might have a conversion rate of 8% 10% can they use the word conversion different than we would in a charity? Right? But mean that somebody who goes to Warby Parker's site, uh, it would, would purchase maybe eight to 10% of that.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 06:33 But in a brick and mortar store, it's, it's usually 50% or higher. Uh, and so they're, they're like, man, we got, we want to have that. We want to have that level of engagement. So even even ecommerce, um, and you're off, you actually here in more of a term called unified commerce now instead of a on the channel, which is basically all of the channels with unified. Um, but even they, they are like, hey look, we need, we want brick and mortar because of the high level of engagement that it produces. So if you, if you apply it to a local church, it wouldn't make you want less face to face interaction. It would make you really still value face to face interaction because you have some that started online and are moving to face to face cause they realize the value of it. That's one.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 07:19 The second thing, and I did mention this in the article Jeff talked about, um, I do think we have to be careful with the term. It's, it's a helpful term. I'm not against the term, I use the term, but every example you and I have given, we are looking at companies whose role is to tap for, to have a customer. Absolutely. I don't, I don't want, I don't want to view the kingdom like we're creating customers or that a church is about a customer. You know, the, I listen, I'm using the term, I'm using the term, I'm just saying that we need to carefully use the term because we really are. Um, well I think Jeffrey's got a famous tweet about, hey, if all we're doing is, is, um, sitting around, I mean, if we're not making disciples, we're just a bunch of guys throwing, let's add tweet. Jeff, come on.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:07 If we're not doing discipleship, we're just a bunch of guys sitting around throwing parties on the weekend. I mean, I'm not saying it's a powerful tweet, but, but it, it lives out there and this is the thing, man. Like we just fast forward it to the ends of the podcast. I was saving this stuff towards the end, but let's just jump in to jump in the deep end, man. It's, it's great. So like I would, I would say to this that you're right, church as a whole, when they're doing church online, we're creating content and as a result, because it's content, we're creating consumers online. But when we try to say things like, Hey, I can't tell you Eric, how many pastors I've talked to has said, no, we're not doing small groups online. That's not my job. I'm not responsible for discipling people online. You can't do that. And still it's, it's you, we can't do ministry. But Ministry is what validates what we're doing with our content to make it a viable opportunity to change somebody's life. For Real. Yeah. I pulled it up
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 09:06 and, and I, I want to be consistent. So like I'm, I'm going to sound like I'm talking on both sides of my mouth a bit because I'm really just wanting to be consistent. So the reality is some of our worship services creek consumers too. So we'll have to, so we have to be careful that if we're going to say that about online, that we also don't say, well, I mean we'll really, how different is it really then then, then the worship service that we have. So I, I'm cool with it. Creating those, those conversations out. The worship service is, is not only about content, but there's times of prayer and there's times of connection and there's times after where there's relationship building, then it is more than about just the content. But if the worship services designed only for the content, then you really can't look at online is if it's inferior. You know,
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 10:32 Yeah, so I always respect when people are consistent in their theology. So for those who are against quote unquote online church and they're consistent, they don't put their sermons online and they, um, or they are just really careful to be sure it's not called church, uh, because they theologically our, Hey, the word Ekklesia means the gathering and this isn't a gathering. I respect the consistency of that view, you know? So, um, that, that, that's where they're coming from is that, hey, the, it's not truly church because it's not a, it's not a gathering, you know? Um, now typically the, the, that view also believes that the church shouldn't have multiple services even because the church really is one gathering of, of a group of people. And so if you have multiple services, it's not one gathering. So it's really like multiple churches, you know.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 11:26 So, um, that's, that's that, that would be that, that camp, you know, or that, or that argument. Um, for me, I look at it as just want to be sure. I separate missiology and ecclesiology though, for sure. Uh, we, I don't think we would want to say there's any problem with putting your services out there from a missionary context. Like when the radio went live for the first time and CS Lewis ministered to a bunch of people during World War Two and help people wrestle with the claims of the Christian faith, or when television went live and Billy Graham started being broadcast in the Gospel, uh, people, no one, no one criticized that, you know, I don't think so. Um, and so online get, it really has, I mean, everyone's walking around with smartphones now, and so we have an opportunity to put the gospel in a context that's super accessible to people. Um, it's just a question of if you're gonna use that as equal to, to, to the, uh, to the physical experience experience. Hmm.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 12:33 In your opinion, what's the negative it with Church online? Like, so if, if church online is less than, and, and you've not said whether it is or isn't. And so let's, let's just pretend it's not. You're, I'm not gonna date you, but you're older than me. So your mid forties, you're, you're welcome for that. And so you're like, you're, you're, you're a senior pastor. And so people in your age, when your range, some have issues, some don't. What are the issues that church online needs to overcome? So what are the negatives that's keeping it from having, being the same as a physical expression of church?
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 13:15 Yeah, I think, you know, the first would be the theological. And so it, just to realize that there is a camp of people who are, who have it, who do make a great solid argument that it, it means gathering and therefore it can't be, it can't be digital. Right. So there, so there's that. Uh, but, but I don't think Jeff, you'll ever win with the, you know, the online is going to win with those. So, so putting the theological, um, that's one group. And then there's the, just the practical, it's, it's people who are like, man, I just know personally I'm not super connected or I know personally, I passively watch a television show and I don't want people to passively watch my, you know, a sermon, you know, or I know that, um, that when I watch something on Netflix, I'm veggie thing and I'm not like connecting with a whole lot of people with those who, who theologically, um, aren't looking at this from a theological, uh, struggle they're looking at from a practical struggle.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 14:14 What online or just got overcome is, um, helping people connect, not just listen to content, but even to the theological crowd, I'd say, Hey, can we be in the same page that putting the message of Jesus out into a whole lot of places is, can we put, can we, can we all agree from a missiological standpoint, like just getting the message out. It's good. And I believe most are like, oh yeah, absolutely do that. It's just when you then move it from its missiology too, it's, it's actual church, right. That's when then, um, that you're, you're, you first have to have the theological conversation and then if you get over that hurdle, there's then the practical conversation.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:51 So the, the theological definition of church would be more centered around the one hour on Sunday
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 14:57 I closely has really to, you know, it's the word for church in the New Testament, there's gathering, it actually means the called out ones, but then also it means that the gathering, so like there's a, um, you know, I'm not saying anything that people haven't already gone public with. Like Mark Dever who are, who I respect a Capitol Hill baptist, like he's against the multiple campuses, which, you know, I'm not against. And um, because he believes the, that the, the church means he's the pastor of a gathering. So he would only have one service. He wouldn't have more than one service. You sometime because the church is, the church has to be able to gather together.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:38 I guess the thing that I would wrestle with with this and, and I know it's, it's different and I've, I've, I have friends who are connected with, with, and in the school of thought, and I don't want to make it about devore, but it's the, where does discipleship come into play with this? Because yes, church is the gathering of, uh, coming together in a corporate body, but do we not have a personal mission and the calling to go in and share and create community or on our own and whether that's bringing it in or, or going out and investing, like where, where does that, where does that lose its flavor and context of online? Because everything that we've talked about is still centered around this. Um, this one hour service, which is funny, I would actually say that my church isn't the church where we're, I'm sitting in a pew for that one hour on Sunday. My church is is the collection of, of, of six or eight people that I connect with on a regular basis and live life with and context of, um, the Bible and learning about that. So like what's the... Where, where my theologically not lining up in context of, of online or is this just an evolution where some people aren't going to get it and we're theologically okay on the other side?
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 16:58 Yeah, I think that the, it would be like, hey, just, you know, I want to respect people where they are theologically on that. Um, I personally where I am, I want to use the tools of the day, you know, Titus 1 - to the pure, all things are pure to those who do not believe a, nothing is pure. And so basically the, the online can be used for pure things and it can be used for not pure things. And I absolutely, I want to, I would love to use it for, for your pure things. And I think the church is a, is for sure the mission of the church. And, and, and then obviously I want to wrestle with wisdom on how the tools are used, uh, to fulfill functions of the church. Right? So functions of the church. The church gathers for worship, the church gathers for community, the church lives on mission.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 17:50 How can the online tools we used to help those functions. You know, I'm, I'm great with those conversations and I think those are the right conversations. We were in a different, we're in a really crazy day now where the average attender of a church has used to be someone who went like twice a week. You know, like when I got in the game 20 years ago when I was, you know, 20 year old youth pastor, you know, a, a, a, a good church member went twice a week. You know, you used to tell people on Sunday mornings, don't only be a Sunday morning Christian, you know, like you get plugged into something else. That was, that was a normal thing to say. Now man, the data is just really staggering if a pastor will look at it. the best way to track it is to just pull out, pull out, um, because you check in your kids every week, um, is to pull up the number of kids in your church and see how many, like look at the last sermon series you did and then look at the percentage of people who came all five or six weeks of that sermon series.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 18:50 And I'll promise you, you're going to be overwhelmed with a, unless you've already done it, you're going to be shocked at the people who are, are just not as consistent as which you perhaps think that they are. Right. And so do you want to use online to keep that, like if you worked your tail off as a senior pastor of the, uh, in a sermon series, do you want that content to be accessible to people outside of the gathering? Um, just look at the data and you probably will. You probably will want that, you know, um, I know, I do. I know I do.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:27 You know, Eric, one of the things that I appreciated about working underneath you is that you always have a strong drive towards guiding people through the discipleship process. And you talked about how people are maybe once a month or twice a month, there's, in terms of their regular times, how can folks leverage that online content to help people take next steps to maybe increase their opportunity to being there on a regular basis?
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 19:49 I, it's the right question and I think it's something I'm wrestling with here, our teams wrestling with here. We want to do more than just like use online as a way to rebroadcast our sermons, which we are doing that, but what, what, how can we use things that we're creating to help people take an even an additional step? And so we're testing some things. I got, I did a series in Romans eight and the third week was the famous, um, you gotta kill sin or sin will kill you. And so it was a 40 minute message, but there's a lot of stuff you can't really hit on that weight of a topic and 40. So we did a Facebook live additional content and after the message for people to tap into, and it was like 20 minutes of walking through the famous book by John Owen, mortification of sin.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 20:43 So we, we want, we actually didn't just rebroadcast the content, but we provide some additional content and we used that as a next step. But that's just one test. I don't know if anyone's really nailed this yet. Um, I, we, we, we do need some churches to nail this so that we can have some examples. Um, and I, I don't, I don't know if it will be one that does or not. I at least, I don't know if we'll be a pace setter or not, but I want, I'd like to, I'd like to use the tools to help people to take the next step.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:15 Well, and I tell you what, you know, Eric, just, even, even one thought, how many multisites or you know, they're at a, and mariners,
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 21:53 , how hard, like I'm, I'm actually asking for one to know myself, but also if I'm a regular, I'm, I'm thinking about regular pastors like me who were listening to this. How hard is it to see those demographics? You know, how hard is it? Is it back in tools on your website? So it, any web, any web host can tell you where their watching from.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:00 And so part of this also is as their, as a result of that, once you know where these people are, start to cluster them together into a like a micro location, a house church, a micro site, uh, meeting and meeting in a home meeting in a conference room or conference room. There's different areas is, and start to cluster, whether it's small group curriculum, whether it's actual doing church services, watching and experiencing it together, doing a watch party or something. You're creating these, um, physical locations. You know, you're talking about accuracy as a separation from, uh, it's, it's lacking the community and in context of online, whereas I would actually pitch their options where online births these Ekklesias around these, these communities around. And whether you're clustering this for a church plant or a micro site, all of a sudden online is, is the vehicle that's helping you create these, these pockets of, of growth instead of pulling away from and hindering.
  
  
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  Eric Geiger: 24:01 So if it's truly a, a unified experience, if you, so if you take Omni channel church, that's that idea to the, to the furtherest thing here. Yet you're committed to a discipleship process. So hang on, you're hitting your, you'd have both, you'll, we believe in the tools and you have a process. You could have somebody who every week they watch at home every single week. That's, that's the, that's the service they attend, right? Yeah. Their next step is to be in a group and they then are they then show up on Tuesday nights to a physical group, right? Yeah. Then their next step is to serve or to do outreach in the city. And they, so I, I, you know, truly Omni Channel Church would be, they can ebb and flow between physical and online and environments throughout the whole process. Correct. And still feel like they're part of the church, which is significant by the wrestling with currently is most people when they hear online church, they're only thinking the weekend service. They're only thinking one step of the discipleship process. They're not thinking the whole thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:04 Yeah. And let me just throw this out there. Sorry. Rey. No, it's all right. Is that not even a fair statement? Let me, let's just be honest. Is that not even a fair statement in context of church where churches itself defines itself a lot by that one hour on Sunday and maybe not so much, maybe it's not to the extent of of church online, but there are churches out there that struggle with that ideology.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 26:33 How do you as as a lead pastor, so I mean and and I, mariners is huge. Like and just the in the of size California you've got a wide varying range of people that attend different demographics, different. How do you make a decision for something like this? Like theologically, I'm agreeing with this, I'm not agreeing with this. Once again, I'm not, I don't want to put you on the spot offer decision and it direction, but more of what decisions cause cause realized the people that are listening to this are technical people that need to convince someone like you have what the way that they think. And so coach me through here, how can we connect with, with you as, as a high level leader to show you some of these things to, to get you to understand?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 27:27 Hey everybody, this is Jeff with the church digital. We're going to break the interview right here. That was a great question. The answer was even better honestly. And so rather than to go through, uh, an entire conversation here as, as Eric Geiger eloquently answers that question and all the conversations afterwards, we're actually going to break the episode. We're going to come back because we just had a great episode in context of Omnichannel and unified church. But the conversation that's coming next as we talk about how to talk to your leadership about church online, honestly it's just a whole other episode into itself. I honestly thought I was landing the plane with something simple and a, yeah, it wasn't, but it was awesome. So you definitely want to check out the next episode. We're going to wrap episode nine right now, episode 10, Rey DeArmas from Christ fellowship, Miami, Eric Geiger, lead pastor, Mariner's church and myself diving into that, how to talk to your leadership. Hey, if you've got any questions on this past episode, check out the show notes. Don't forget while you're there, subscribe to this podcast man. Support it. Feel free to leave a review as well as that helps us get the word out and helps us get this content in front of other eyes. But for Eric, for Rey, my name is Jeff. Thanks for listening.
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                    There's an interesting challenge before the Church today. How do you create community online when you don't have an existing community, Ekklesia, online. While some churches have had success opening their virtual doors and letting the flood gates of people pour in, others have struggled to find effective traffic online. Or, more likely, there's traffic... but people aren't engaging.
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                    For generations, "community" was based on physical location. That being said, technology is changing. The world isn't big anymore. It's quite small. As a result, how the world defines community has changed.
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                    In the Church, however, Ekklesia is traditionally defined as the "called out ones", or "the gathering"... defined in physical church as the gathering of people at any given place and time. Any given physical church's Ekklesia is defined by those that attend that one-hour on Sunday, or those that are "regular attenders" during the life of the church. The Bible is thick with Ekklesia references, and while I don't want to critique these references in context of limiting Church Online, I do think there's a mandate in place to not lose Ekklesia when separated. In Acts 8, does the Ekklesia of Jerusalem cease to be an Ekklesia when they're on the run?
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                    Technology expands community beyond the physical realm. Telecommuting is on the rise in the corporate world, where people can work together side-by-side and not even be on the same continent. Applications like Slack, Whatsapp, and Skype have torn down the walls of physical community, opening community to a much larger scope and reach. Truthfully, one of the biggest spiritual encouragers in my life right now lives three time zones away, and I'm in constant biblical community online with people I never share the same air with. Are these people's influence on me and my influence on them really weakened because we never sit in the same room?
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                    The strength of Online Technology (and Church Online) is in our ability to communicate. But are we communicating effectively?  Throughout the service portion of Church Online there are several key positions that communicate volumes to the audience: 1) Teaching Pastor, 2) On-Screen Host, and 3) Chat Hosts. All three positions have VITAL communication that Church Online needs to know in order to effectively help attenders be discipled. Listen to the podcast as Jeff and Ben Stapley, Weekend Experience Director at Christ Fellowship Miami discusses some tips and tricks for these position to best communicate to Church Online.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Well. Hey everybody, welcome to the church digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and it is great to be here with Y'all today. Uh, once again with the church digital. We focus a lot on church online, talking about what that ministry looks like and how it can be utilized in the church today. And I'm joined today by a guest here and this is a man that I've grown to love in a very short amount of time. This in Ben Stapley. Uh, currently we can experience director I believe is a title at Christ fellowship and he's got a long track record of, of online and, and communication formerly with liquid church, I'm sure as well as a number of other churches. I, and I'm just want to say this up front even before I let you talk because this is awesome. I respected you before I even met you.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:45 And like Ben was a, I don't know if you follow been a online at Ben Stapley, uh, but I don't know many people around in the Christian industry and I sorry to call it that, but the Christian industry that utilize technology as well as he does to to create a platform and to create resources that are out there. And so like it was one of those things, you know, even like four or five years ago, I was like, man, this ben stapley guy is awesome. I love this. And I was sharing his resources out with, with pastors and with church staff and people that I was working with. It's awesome now to see him down here at Christ fellowship at a church and I'm very active with and involved with, um, doing his thing and helping the church here. So then that's the best intro I know how to do give you
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 01:30 I will give you the $20 after this conversation. Thank you. That was wonderful. That was wonderful.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:34 Awesome. I will gladly take that. Apple pay is a great option. Cash App works too. So I'm, hey, big man. Just tell us a little bit like I've totally just sucked up, but what can you do? What do you do a at Christ fellowship and what is your day to day look like?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 01:50 Yeah, so let me, let me suck up a little bit back. Um, I, uh, first of all, I've been loving the, uh, the podcasts there. They're incredible, you know, learning from this, uh, this platform that you have right here. And I love you spearheading this because I think this is a, it is a need and will only grow and it's, um, and it's neediness, uh, for the church world as we continue to advance. So I, I love the fact that you've launched this platform and these conversations for people to engage with and learn with. And I also, uh, I also love learning from you because you, um, I like to call myself a cutting edge, but you are bleeding edge. And so like I look to you and see what you've done, uh, and the mistakes you made me I've made or lessons that you're learning and say, I'm gonna apply that from Jeff Reed.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 02:34 So I think you're a vanguard there and I appreciate that heart of yours, uh, in relationship to what I'm doing here at Christ Fellowship, uh, that weekend experience director kind of encompasses a couple of different things. Um, the basically we're looking to, to craft services so compelling every week that people invite someone to join them the following week. Oftentimes the, the bar for most churches is, hey, we just, it would, people come back. We're happy. For me, the bar's a little higher. I want a service is so engaging that I'm, that our guests are inviting new guests that joined them every week. That's, that's the bar for me. Uh, I had the privilege of leading a couple of different departments to pull that off. The, the worship production, creative online communications, kind of a whole collaborative team to how do we maximize this, this one hour on the weekend. But then beyond that, how do we maximize the other 167 during the course of the week? And to make sure that the, the message that we hit on a weekend experience, um, continues to get extrapolated over the course of the week. And we engage people that way as well. So that's the, that's the big picture of who I am, what I do here at Christ fellowship.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:39 That's awesome. And that's really the challenge that churches a day. It's not just the focus on the one hour on Sunday, uh, but to create resources and utilize the communication channels, social media, mobile APP website, to really drive a discipleship plan to discipleship process to help connect with people. 168 hours a week actually bought a domain name, a 168.church because the goal was to create a church that does something 168 hours a day. So if that just spurred an idea in someone's head, I'm totally willing to sell it. So feel free to message me. I'll put the information in the blog notes. And if you are like, I want to create a church that operates 168 hours a week, 168.church can be yours. I'm your guy. That's awesome. Well, Hey, the topic I want to talk about today is, um, it's really communicating in, in context of church online.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:35 And we started this dialogue just kind of on the side, Ben and I, and the initial topic was, was more towards a teaching style but then that it just kind of naturally grew towards, okay, well what about like a, a hosts and uh, in a, in a campus pastor and communicating to the lens and what's that like? And then suddenly we found ourselves kind of transitioning into, in the chat host and that communication. And so like, what I want to really do today is just do a holistic view where we're talking about all of communication in context of what happens in a church online service. And so, and like I said, Ben is the man on this topic. I cannot think of a better person to be talking to. And so let's dive in. All right, Ben. Number one, like teachers and preachers, people that are communicating, which in the context of our physical services like this is the majority of time and a physical service and vis-a-vis, it's the majority of time that happens in context of an online service. Like what options, what instructions, what coaching would you give, you know, to a teacher that maybe for the first time is really starting to, to expand in the online that's, that's nervous about doing it online. Like, like what steps can you give them a to help these, these communicators do online teaching better?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 05:54 So I'll try to tackle some low hanging fruit first and get to maybe more advanced stuff as we go. So the, the, the one is, um, I would say just, uh, first of all and, um, communicate to that audience, engage that audience and reference that audience. So oftentimes, um, uh, oftentimes the preachers will just preach to the room, just preach to the people they literally see in front of them, which makes sense because that is the way that they were trained. Most preachers, especially if they're a gen x or boomers, were trained to preach to a room, they weren't concerned with cameras in the back or, or even if they were not necessarily even where those cameras went, like who's watching that video experience. And that is obviously, um, blown up over the past decade in terms of the different avenues that that experience can not reach.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 06:39 So, so first of all, um, you know, mentioned that campus I'm really basic thing a lot of multisite churches do is they'll, hey, I'm preaching from such and such location, but I want to give a shout out to, and the mentioned there are other campuses or locations. Uh, the other thing is making sure if you have an online campus to include them in that shout out where I've seen that before were pastors will mention the four other campuses, but they'll forget their online campus. And then again, if you're doing that right away and if you, if you view it as an actual campus, um, then called them out accordingly and reference them accordingly. Uh, we'll even do that in a promotional materials who are Christ fellowship. Hey, we've got a great experience happening this weekend. Um, it's at six of our locations or, or, or online.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 07:21 And so even before the weekend comes, we're just acknowledging that as a vital and valuable avenue to experience, uh, what's coming up over the weekend and keeping an on par with the physical location. So to calling that out as the first and lowest hanging fruit for, for communicators, pastors, teachers, preachers. Uh, the next thing I would say is as much as they can preach for the screen and not the stage, uh, this is, this is funny, we, um, you know, I've, I've seen this before, but you've probably seen this before where before cameras happen and before I mag image magnification where you would project yourself onto the screens behind you, um, you as a communicator, how to be big and bold and, and, and visibly dynamic to engage the room. And so you would literally walk around on stage and create all this kinetic energy because you didn't have those support systems.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 08:14 Well, it guess what? Now we do now have those support systems. We've had it for awhile and we, you don't need to manufacture all that kinetic energy anymore because it's already there. So, um, preach for a screen experience and not a stage experience when it's one of the basic ways, ways is to, to not walk around as much and kind of be a little more locked in. Um, it was, if you do it, it's a silly thing, but, um, it's, it's my ability to follow you from an audience perspective. If I'm in the room from farther back, it's easier for me to pan because it's not that dramatic. But if there's a tight shot on me, like a waist up shot and I'm walking back and forth than the audience, the visual experience there is going to create some whiplash because it's, it's going back to fast and, and, and back and forth. So just like taking those things into consideration.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 09:01 Yeah, the camera opp, having fun. They're trying to keep up with, with a, a guy walking back and forth. I've done enough live video to know, uh, that's, uh, that's always an interesting position to be in. What else you got?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 09:14 I would say, this is a funny, I use the, um, I remember back in the day when people would design a websites, you know, probably like 10, 15 years ago, the, the phrase would be, um, it's gotta be, it's gotta be mobile friendly. So the adage back then was you're making a website for a desktop experience, but there might be some people, you know, they say like 10, you know, 10, five years ago, there might be some people who are going to experience it mobily while the, that has radically changed over the past five, 10 years. Now it's the phrases you've gotta make it desktop friendly with the assumption that your primary audience, the majority of people are going to experience your website, your content on a mobile device. And then the secondary audience is the desktop experience. And so that, that same switch has happened there.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 09:59 I encourage preachers, communicators to make that same switch, um, in terms of how they view their audience, that, um, that they need to make sure that it is stage friendly. So your main audience is people through the screen, but then you need to make sure that stage friendly. So, or another way to say that is um, your, your primary audience is online and your secondary audience is actually in the room. Again, this is for some communicators, this is revolutionary and it's even hard for them to get to wrap their mind around it. But if you just look at the numbers, how many people you have in the room, how many people you currently have online or could have online, that's your primary audience, where your numbers are at. So if you make that switch a lot of everything else in terms of how you communicate a followups, so follow the numbers, uh, and then communicate to them accordingly.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:49 Hmm. So like if, if I'm tailoring something specific for an online environment, um, are trying to reach the online people first. Now, like I, I read Youtube, youtube, the average video is like five minutes long. Facebook, the, I think the average video is like three minutes. Ted Talks are like, what, 15 to 18 minutes, something like that. And so in an online audience, like the content is in a much shorter context. Um, how do, how do we wrestle that tension? You know, the average sermons, what, 30, 40, I was, I was actually at a church the other day that's considering doing church online and the pastor preached an hour. Like, so what, how do we wrestle with that? Okay. I want to target and online I want to reach a younger, but the, the experiences that we're currently creating and fostering or much larger, like what, what does that conversation look like?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 11:42 Yeah, the, the Ted talk is interesting. The, I usually say, hey, a good ted talk is 18 minutes. Because primarily it's mainly it's, it's meant to engage your head. It, oh, it's an intellectual experience. Um, there wasn't much in, which isn't the engaging your heart from an emotional standpoint or your hands from an action point standpoint, but, but, but messages aren't designed just intellectually speaking. They're all three of those facets. The, the head, the heart and the hands. And so because of that, I'd say, Hey, ted talks are great, 18 minutes and we're trying to do more than that. Why don't we double it and go for 36 as an average or or starting there at 36. Uh, but that's the kind of rule that I use in relationship to that. Uh, if you're talking about a service experience, a message experience, if you ultimately want people to take to understand it, what you're trying to communicate to feel it, and then have a clear action step and take action on that, you need a 30 to 40 minutes to kind of accomplish that from, from my vantage point.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 12:42 Now if you're talking about just general communication, how you can cut up that 30 to 40 minute experience and have that land on the range of social platforms. There's a lot of different ways to do that, but I would still encourage most communicators to steal land from the 30 to 40. Now there is, there is some helpful things to do to make sure that it's evergreen, that it's going to land on the whatever platform it's going to land and it's not going to be time based. So some, again, some basic stuff, but if you're used to preaching just for the room, you need to relearn these things that you cannot, you cannot date things. Um, and you cannot, um, you cannot pay some on the day. Hey, good morning everybody. Well, if people are going to watch this later on at night online, that doesn't make sense.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 13:23 Um, um, or even calling things out, like, uh, I'll try to, I'll try to keep things that are seasonally based outside of the message experience. Uh, so usually a good example. Um, Mother's Day, that's great. We all know we're going to celebrate. Mother's Day was probably going to be like one of your biggest services over the year. It's usually like after Christmas and Easter, it's usually the third biggest service for most churches. That's incredible. If you, if you communicate all that in your message will then you've dated that message and it doesn't have a great shelf life. So how do you do that? Well then you, you, you include all that, that, um, that time based content in, um, anything else outside of your messaging experience. So during your hosting, during your worship set, during the live stuff that Mike just la live, uh, live and locally, keep the time based stuff in those moments and keep the message portion as evergreen as you can.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 14:14 Now I understand that sometimes you're making a culture where our friends that's in a tragedy, this happen, hey, there's shooting here or whatever it might be. Um, but try to minimize that as much as possible so it has a longer shelf life. If you've got a great illustration and it doesn't need any of those, uh, references that, base it upon time, then then pull them out. Again, it's something as simple as not saying good morning to begin your message that oftentimes that's how a lot of preachers do that. Um, and that's like, that's even helpful outside of the online experience. And you'll see a lot of churches, they'll do this, they'll have like maybe a Saturday and it's service and they'll use that as their backup service. If this is like a multisite and the stream goes down on Sunday morning and that's the backup. Well they're used to saying, hey, good evening everybody, when, when that gets played back Sunday morning, that feels weird. So even outside of the online people, when you do that, as much as you can stop making your messages, see time based, it has benefits across all the playback platforms.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:14 Awesome. You know, and I know one of the things, um, that, uh, that you and I have talked about in the past, and this goes back to the liquid days, um, there was a, there was a review team and are honestly like, I forget the exact language, but it was the first time that I'd ever had had this experience of hearing about it were like a sermon would happen, like as an early read. And there, there was like feedback from, uh, from a different demographics are like, could you explain some of that, uh, to the audience
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 15:46 So real like real big picture. Yeah. Is um, hey, um, like for the preachers out there, everyone's going to review your message already. So when you're done, everyone drives home, you know, it has been a wife hate. We know. What'd you think of that? You know, I thought that was a train wreck. I thought that was terrible. So every, everybody reviews your message already. What I encourage preachers to do is to bake in some type of review process before the weekend so they can get that honest coaching and that honest review, which will then minimize the negative reviews on the drive home out of the driveway of the church later on. And now there's a lot of pushback for that. You know, pastors, preachers, hey, you don't understand, like my weeks are are crazy. You're going to have to do the same amount of prep work, whatever it is, you know, 10, 12, 15, 20 hours.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 16:30 Most people, most preachers and pastors will do meetings in the first half of the week and then sermon prep in the back half. If you just flip your weak structure around and do Messa trip at the beginning and, and meetings on the back end, which takes some organizational finagling to get people to do that, well then you can have a review mid to late week. You can get feedback from a trusted panel of peers, uh, and then you can make the message spear experienced so much better, like basic things, right? Like, Hey, like that cultural reference is a little dated, uh, or that theology is a little wonky. Um, or you know, I hate that joke was a little sexist to be frank and like, that's not going to play with half of our audience. Um, because it's kind of alienating. You catch all those small things and you make the message and the message from good to great.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 17:15 Um, because you, you apply that. My quick feedback here is, is it needs to be a, um, it's not a, it's not a democracy. You know, it's a, been a little bit dictatorship. So, so the Hoover, that panel is, gives their feedback, but ultimately the, the lead pastor, the communicator absorbs that and takes it and does not or does not and then applies it. Um, so the benefits again of that is for the audience within the room because then they get messaged that, um, that was polished and was great and because somebody gave feedback on it. Uh, but then again, beyond that for our online audience here, they also benefit from the, from an extra, usually an extra like 95 minutes of work in the course of the week. So nine to five minutes, right? So the preacher gets all this done, um, they then perform for a panel, right.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 18:05 And it kind of like, let's cut. You think of like maybe American idol, but there's no Simon Cowles. Like there's no one who's going to grilled them. Right. And they, and they present their, their message and the way in which they do it, right? You always want to practice the way you're going to perform. So like do it the way you would do it. And, uh, and then a 45 minutes of a hill school around, uh, and, and review and hopefully you had a manuscript you can kind of go point by point and like, Hey, and page two, like I love that point. I think there's more meat on those bones. Like drill into that or on page three here at it's got, you know, you're just kind of redundant. You were repeating yourself, you know, it seemed like to me, so an extra 90 minutes in your work week, this benefits the physical campuses and the online campus because then they get a much more polished message and, and he, here's the, here's a great thing.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 18:50 This is a great for them it's also a leadership pipeline because you can then bring into that panel and aspiring communicator. Maybe it's your student pastor, I don't know who it is, but someone who can see how the sausage is made and their learning curve and their leadership and their communication, their curve just skyrockets because they're doing, they're seeing this, they're seeing all this behind the scenes stuff every week. So it's like it not only makes you better as a communicator, mix your audience and your guests better, bit of receiving a better message and then it's a leadership I can go on and on, but those are some of the benefits and obviously the huge thing is the online people get it polished experience because here is frankly a lot of churches who will take their, their first message [inaudible] and roll that out as their online experience. It's a Saturday night or it's the first thing Sunday morning and if you don't do this then, then it's, then that's your practice message, right? If you don't have a review process during the week, then you do your review process after the first message. And that's when, and then that's a shame because then your online community is getting your worst experience and they're getting your message without any review.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 19:57 There was, yeah, there was a story, uh, the church, and I've heard this recently where, um, it wasn't a lead pastor was it was like a second level. A teacher was, was, had the stage and basically had a sub point that it is a sin when we do not come together on a Sunday. And, and like that, that's great. Uh, there was a, uh, there was a person who was regular attender in a different city, in a different state of the online campus, uh, an online small group leader as well as a regular tither. And so in metrics of what an actual person is, uh, this, this person in a different state met all the metrics in place for somebody who is actively involved in the church. Um, and, and like there was a freak out moment of I'm sinning because I'm church online. Like that was the, they can pinpoint and while [inaudible] and while it looked great on paper and there was no, Oh yeah, hey, no, no big deal, just, just roll with it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:58 I'm kind of hearing that in the context and shaping it like really negatively affected the, this online ministry taken out one of its key, um, leaders who just out of frustration. And so setting up those, those review places, having somebody to take kind of here and focus in, in the online context to be aware of some of that stuff, um, would be awesome. And I do know, I've talked, I talked with several churches that that first service is what makes it to online and eh, or even, you know, sometimes you get the ball roll and, and even if you catch something in between the first and the second service, did the odds of you trying to get that change? There's as quickly, it's just, it's so difficult. So, you know, getting that stuff done beforehand while it's still shapeable. Um, man churches like jump on that.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 21:44 This, we haven't touched on this in terms of copyright content, right? So you'll have like churches like life church where it's like during their incredible, at the movies series, it's like this is not available and which is understandable. This is not available online and you'd have to go to when our physical campuses, so like, which is like, I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing, but they've understood the cost and the count the cost. And say we're going to, we understand the pros and cons. We're going to move in this direction, uh, cause we still think it's a net gain for us. Uh, but if you don't have someone from, from an online perspective thinking that through saying, hey, that's awesome in your message you through to the such and such music music video and you built it all up and then afterwards you came out of it and, and you talked about it and you referenced it, but we, no one online saw that because they got flagged.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 22:30 Um, and the whole video was taken down or we knew it was going to get flagged. And so we cut it out before we sent it there. Um, you, you know, you can't do that or you know, no you can't. You probably shouldn't do that. But here's some other options either just like I'll read the lyrics, they, you know, you think the lyrics are just really strong. Read those because that won't get flagged and that will, that will translate to our online audience or let's see, let's pull the band up and they will perform the song because we have copyright to do that and we're legally covered there and that's not going to get flagged. And so we'll have the band perform the song that you want to do. So, um, anyone who has that hat on, if they have a seat at the table, they can flag all that stuff.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 23:07 And uh, you know, something is silly, is basic where, uh, this was happening at liquid and we flagged it with Tim and he's, oh, that's helpful. Where he was talking about the incredible teams of service, mmm. That people could jump on and participate in serve. And all the teams he mentioned were all at a physical locations. And then, you know, myself, who was representing online at the time said, hey, could you could, you mentioned chat hosts, um, online because that's one of the volunteer Isms for people on that campus. Hey, you know, he, he didn't catch it because it wasn't on his radar. I put it on his radar, he incorporated into his message and then we saw like a 50% increase of our volunteerism over the next quarter on there because he does that one reference. People realize that they could also serve. It's not just, uh, uh, coming consume. It's also a common contribute platform and, and someone was speaking that into the lead pastor. So you need, hopefully you need someone at that review panel who could speak that in for the online experience as well.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:03 That is, that is so good. And, and having produced man, I don't know, thousands of church services over the years, uh, the idea of, of having, you know, something like that to be able to shape around, to be able to just go that extra five, 10% to really nail something, uh, to have that, that connection, to have that relational point, to have that impact into the audience. Um, whether physical or virtual. Man, that's, that's awesome. So, hey, let's, let's shift gears off the, off the teachings. We've got some other stuff I wanted to cover and let's talk about chat host. You know, like there's, um, or I'm sorry, not shadows. Let's do on camera host where you, we've got, um, you know, it's, it's sometimes it's the campus pastor. Uh, sometimes it's not a, uh, of a exclusive content for the online. It's just the piping in of maybe what's happening within the broadcast center. It said somebody else live in the room versus maybe something that's prerecorded, you know? And so let's, let's kind of just talk through the pros and cons here. Let's open it up with this like prerecorded content, dedicated, exclusive for the online audience or utilizing the, the physical campus announcement time period in context of church online. Like what are you recommend? What are those pros and cons?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 25:20 Yeah, I would say I don't have a strong recommendation, but the look you're saying there's pros and cons to both. So understanding of what you're trying to do as an organization during a particular season, will help you identify what you need to do during that season. So for us, at liquid during a season, our online ministry, uh, wasn't well known. And so what we wanted to do was we wanted to do our are, um, are on camera hosting. We want it to do it in the auditorium of our [inaudible] and the, um, in the lobby space of our broadcast campus because we knew that if we set up a station there and we had lights up in a camera up and two people talking on there and we had a screen behind them that showed why what was happening. And we had stations of volunteers out there as well that were the actual chat hosts.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 26:06 Then we created incredible awareness of something that could have been hidden and tucked away. And so, so no, we want to, we want to pull it out physically to broaden the organizational knowledge of this incredible campus that we have, our online campus and this is what we're physically going to put it in front of people's faces. And so as people were walking into the service experience, they're seeing a, a pre hosting done by people. Hey, what's that all about? Oh, that's our online campus. Uh, that's what we want you to do. An experience while you're not here. Or if you have a friend who wants to Checo church before they come to church, tell them to do that because that's, that's a safe environment for them to do it. And then, and then that's a great environment for if you'll never be able to come to a physical location.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 26:49 That's where you have robust spiritual discipleship happening. So for us during a season we said, let's do that, um, onsite in our lobby just to bring awareness. So again, it was an organizational value for us during that season to bring awareness to what was actually happening on the ministry. Um, you, you, you, now that being said, in another way you mentioned is to do the, the prerecord, which is like super helpful when you want to communicate just your online community. So you're not, you're not showing things that are happening at a particular campus, which kind of conveys the fact that that campus is, is there, is present, maybe is important. And so the fact that you, if you're shooting in the lobby of a space, you may be conveying the fact that, hey, thanks for coming to this online thing, but the real deal is coming to the physical thing.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 27:35 So you have to be aware of that. So if you prerecord it, you, you avoid that, right? You avoid big brother little brother syndrome and you just say, hey, we're talking to you online community. The other big pro about prerecording is you communicate just to them. So it's not like generic hosting like, Hey, at our church this weekend you can communicate to your people. So, um, an example of this is, uh, we were at a liquid. We're doing an event called night to shine. It was the Tim Tebow Foundation, a chance to give people special needs, incredible prom experience that they might not have experienced during, during the high school is one of the most beautiful, if you've never done it as a church, and you know, my little sales pitch for it, it's one of the most redemptive things I've ever done. I say it's like the closest step to heaven I've ever had here on earth.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 28:20 And just beautiful. Uh, there's, there's my, there's my plug and, and so for us, we were trying to communicate to our online community that, you know, how they can get engaged with that. And, and, and for us it was like, you know, it was during that season was prayer support because they weren't able to physically come and you know, a lot of our people who weren't in state, hey, you know, for this, for the, we had this incredible event coming up on the way in which you can participate during this event is through this. So we, we, in other words, we tailor made our content, our announcement content and the action steps to our online community. Um, so that's, that's a huge benefit of pre, pre roll and prerecording versus doing it live and onsite.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:00 There have been times in my life when I was doing, you know, for me it was just the one person kind of kind of doing it. And honestly, it life was so hectic. Like, I could never just get the other person in there. Uh, and, and I've seen recently, you know, more and more where there's a trend towards having two people kind of in their hosting together versus that. And I've seen this online, but I've also seen this more and in physical churches, uh, like doing, doing that as well, having two people on stage. Like what's, what's this trend towards having kind of the, the co hosts in involved in that?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 29:31 Yeah, I think you hit a couple of things there. It's, it's, I always say two is better than one. Uh, from a very practical standpoint, if it's you and I on, it's hard for me to remember like maybe four points of content, but if we're Ping ponging back and forth and I only need to remember to buzz your remembering of their too. Well, I do the first one. And as you're communicating the second one, I can mentally rollback my, uh, mental, uh, index and remember my third point. And so it's just like, from a practical standpoint, it's a little easier to do because you're relying on somebody else as well. But the big I think for me is it's, um, it's a con when you have two people, it's a conversation. When you have one person that's a monologue. So the fact that we're talking creates, creates, a conversational tone, which is, um, which is vital for the online community because they need to sense that it's, it's, it is a conversation.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 30:23 Um, whenever we would naturally ask ourselves questions like if we were, you know, um, as hosts, we could then naturally ask our audience as well as, Hey, Jeff, fourth of July's coming up, what are you doing for this weekend? Uh, Hey Ben, we're, we're, we're grabbing some burgers and fireworks. It's gonna be awesome. Hey, online community, what are you guys doing? So the fact that we would have natural conversation and questions and answers between ourselves then allows us to throw it to the online audience as well, encouraged them to, to jump into the chat and participate. So it kind of creates a conversation between your, your talent, which then creates a conversation more importantly with your audiences. So that's, um, that's vital to have two people instead of one. Um, I used to, again, it's a leadership pipeline so you have somebody with you that you're training up and doing this.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 31:12 I got to the point where, um, as the online pastor at liquid church, I stepped out of that role and just let other people play that role. But I realized it was missing because that does, I wanted to raise up leadership, which is, which is a great value, but I realized, um, I, I lost the f the, the online campus lost the face of the campus. In other words, I was the face of the campus and if I was never on camera, then people didn't know who was running the show. And it's not that it's about me or you or anybody else, but guests want to know that there is a point guy or Gal, there's a point person and that if, if they need to go get questions and they need to do to go to the top, they know who that person is.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 31:52 And so I would encourage you to, um, whoever's that, that visible point person to have them play that role and not be, not be in the passenger seat and end up not being the backseat and not be seen by the community because the community wants and ultimately the community wants, they want to know who their pastor is. And it's great that you have associate pastors and there's layers, but they, they will be thinking in hierarchical mindset and saying, okay, but who's on the top here? And so you just needed to visually demonstrate that as well.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:20 Yeah. And there's a lot of impact by the way, um, by that, by that online pastor. Like I can remember times where I'd be walking into like a home depot and the guy, the greeter at the door, it's like, I know you from somewhere. And I'm like, okay, like I never go to home depot. And he's like, no, no, no. You're the guy from the... You're the guy from the website. They're like, oh, church online. Yes, yes. I'm with, with the online campus pastor there and I just want to know this. And we were like, this is just me. What's the worst experience you've ever had being a host for that? I'm going to put you on this because you've been doing this probably longer than I have and I bet you got a story. And so I want the story, let's go and do it all good.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 33:01 Like something like really practical. Um, and then we'll see if I can find something funny. But like for me it, it, it took away compromise my ability to be a secret shopper. So what you're talking about on there right now is that you become, you became a face and an a brand and the, and you represent the organization and people are aware of you because of that. Why I also like to go around to our campuses, a, you know, a little liquid, you know, we had six locations. Uh, we have six locations down here at Christ fellowship as well. And so I love to go around and just to play the role of a guest and, and, and try to fly under the radar as much as possible and just, you know, walk up. And I was doing this like a couple weeks ago, you know, walk up to the sound tech, like, hey, look, it's like a, it's like, it's like loud in here.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 33:45 Like, I like that. It kind of feels like awesome. Like, you know what, like, what db levels do you run it at? And the guy didn't know me from Adam and he just thought it was a regular person and he's like, you know, he's like, I dunno. I was like, oh, okay. That's, you know, like mentally this, but in the back like, oh, okay, good to know. Um, and it allows you to follow up and get very honest and unvarnished responses from people when you, when you are not the on camera talent, when you are, you walk on and you're known and you know, people can kind of start cleaning up their act or whatever. Right. Um, and uh, and you, you, you lose some of that. Um, yeah, no, my, my, my funny story in terms of being on camera talent is, um, the fact that I'll always make shorter guests a stand on some type of riser so that I'm relatively on the same level.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 34:33 So I would have, you know, most six foot dude, sometimes I'd have like five foot gals, um, on camera talent with me and I'd get them, you know, a riser to stand up. So we were not, oh, completely, I level, but so it didn't look weird on camera. So there's a lot of behind the scenes photos of, of talent of mine standing on those risers and that always gets me, it gets a kick of me. And so I always look for that when I watch people cohosting and tried to figure out, have they elevated one of these people or are they clearly, you know, it was I the guy clearly heads and shoulders taller than the Gal and they, and they didn't do that and maybe it looks a little wonky. So that's a kind of fun behind the scenes mentioned
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:10 in, uh, in film world, those are called apple boxes. So you're standing on apple boxes, their ego of, I've been done that drill note. No that, well you'll see it the most and
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 35:22 NBA Games. Right. And so like the reporters having to like stretch their arm way up to get the interview with Shaq. I like, you know, there are a little bit closer to the up yet
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:28 that might actually be a small ladder in that context. But a yes, that, that being said, it's awesome. Um, man, well I tell you thing, the last area that I wanted to hit on was, was the chat host and this was a, this is like a, uh, a side conversation that it suddenly clicked from. Uh, yeah, let's, let's really focus on that. And actually to set it up. I was listening to, uh, Carey Nieuwhof podcasts recently and it had, um, oh man, he did like two back to back that we're focusing on the, the um, uh, the church crosspoint up up in Nashville where they had like the creative director and in someone, but then they also had to, the lead pastor in, someone in that podcast said this, I'll have to find it in the show notes and come back. But they were quoted as saying some of the best pastors in our church, are chat hosts and, and me, it really resonated the, the importance of kind of like these people are on the front line.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 36:21 And there were stages truthfully of, of my online ministry where I was like afraid of what a chat host would say because like they're representing the church, they're representing externally probably more so than what's happening in the physical building. And so, you know, a chat host and an online service says the wrong thing in the wrong context and all of a sudden it's like, you know, press up all in your face and things are going crazy. Cause the church just said something and it really was, you know, just a, a volunteer. Um, so like what are some ways, because they have power though to the point that they can be the best, best pastors. And so like what is it, what is, what does that look like? How can we utilize these volunteers, uh, in, in such a way that we can trust what they're saying and then get them in an environment where they can really, you know, pastorally lead and shepherd people.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 37:11 Yeah. The, I think you is the one thing you said there I think is this foundational, so I'll echo it is that they are representing the organization. So you may, you may be on Facebook and you might give them, um, you might have them just log in as themselves. Like, Hey, you know, I ha hi everybody. I'm Ben on the chat host today. Uh, and Facebook live. And there they are, log, even though there were logging in by themselves or as themselves, they're still representing the organization. Once they said I'm the chat host and identify themselves that way and then clearly as the conversation goes and they're leading it and responding to it, they are representing the church. And so them feeling that weight like you know, there, there isn't any other ambassador other than you today representing the church, you know, do us proud, do not do us proud, uh, represent Jesus.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 37:56 Well, uh, is is the big thing I would say to them now you could, you could also have them log in as your, um, as your church again in this face Facebook platform. I would encourage them not to do that because people don't want to be interacted by an entity and organization. They want to be, you know, they want to engage with a person. And so, so I would still have people log in as people on shop. The same thing applies on that platform as well and going to think any other additional platforms from not thinking about right now that have the person in log in as themselves
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 38:27 but realize the representing the church and that goes, that goes 90% of the way right there. Um, the other thing that I'd say the same thing applies for camera hosts is that it does for chat hosts that um, two's better than one. I remember I was part of a church that did open air evangelism. It was in Chicago and you know, they had like the, uh, the flip chart there and the whole, you know, here's this where you're are in this big pit and there's like, this is where God is and, but if you use the cross, this is, you know, the visual illustration that I'm sure a lot of us are aware of. And uh, and so they had different like ways that they're talking about it and rolling it out. It like, hey, you're going to be the person that illustrates it and you look, you're going to be the person standing and watching it.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 39:04 I was like, wait, why am I going to be the person standing and watching it? Like that doesn't, that doesn't make any sense. And they said, no, it does. He said, it takes a crowd to gather a crowd and then like tell me more. They said, if we're doing this out on the corner and, and we start, then people are just gonna walk by because no one wants to be the first person to stop and watch because that's pretty vulnerable. No one wants to be the first to do anything unless you're like Jeff Reed and who's a complete innovator. Uh, you don't want to be the first person to do it. So, but if we have, if you stand there and watch and participate, um, then someone will come behind you because they feel safety, you know, and then someone will come behind that and combine that and then we'll, we'll, we will gather a crowd.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 39:42 Um, same thing applies for the chat host. If the chat host is there and hey, how is everybody doing? How was your weekend? What are you taking away from this message? What do you think of it? And there's nobody responding to them. It's hard for that first person to respond. But if you have to chat hosts, um, they can go back and forth. You and I, um, jumping in everybody but everybody, I'm Ben Stately, I'm going to chat hosts. It's great to be here. Um, hey, can you give me a highlight from the message that you put into action last week and if you were to jump in and respond to that, then we create a dialog that's easier for someone to jump in. So same thing, get to people, not just one for chat hosts. Um, again, really simple is a very, very practical as someone's sick, then you at least have somebody to follow, follow up on.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 40:28 I can't tell you how many times when I had one chat host and they were sick and they forgot to get a replacement and then you have the experience with no one leading the shadows, so you know, complete train wreck. So, um, you cover your back there as well in terms of sickness or call outs for volunteerism. But starting with two is key.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 40:44 That's, that's awesome. How do you, like, how do you prep volunteers communicate the volunteers? Like how much information do you tell them about the service line or an iron in blind? Like what, what is the experience of kind of leading that group to help them understand the service? That's a great question. So first of all, in terms of resourcing them, there's a general Faq page that I have on the available for them. The questions that we know get asked every week or answers that we want to provide an action steps that we want to provide every week as well.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 41:18 So there was the, hey, this is a general Faq when people ask, hey, where are your locations? You know, you have the, you have the tab ready to go to send them to that people want to serve. You can send them the URL for that right away. Um, we know that when the giving talk is given, we want you to encourage people to call them to giving as well. And this is the language that we've crafted around this and there's the URL the action step and encouraged them to take the step of faith and obedience. So there was the epic queues that I had available. Um, there was the, uh, boiler plate. Like these are the five things over the course of the chat that need to be communicated sometime during it. So these are our core values. You need to hit these. Um, and then, so that was a great starting point. And then, uh, an addition to that we, uh, that, uh, foundational document, there was weekly communication that I gave to the chat hosts in terms of letting them know what was coming up and in particular to that weekend or that message,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:13 what type of trainings, um, have have you done in the past to get into like, oh, I'm depressed, I'm suicidal. Those things. And that, that's rare in an online experience, but you still want, want to prepare the people for it. So like, what does that look like for you in context of, to have the, to handle some of those, those spiritual or psychological issues?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 42:35 Uh, you're talking about stuff that is like baked within the message that is tackling or just stuff kind of from at a left field
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:42 just out of left field coming in or, or the, or the crazy guy, don't want to compare depression and craziness, but the, the, the, the, the person that comes in to cause trouble. And where there a chat host is trying to deal with either a very sensitive topic or a, um, very aggressive type of personality.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 43:04 Yeah. So the, that's great. So we give, we give a lot of responsibility and therefore permission to our chat host. And I would say this as well, like you have to vet these people out well, because they, again, the representing the whole church. So like one of those things there in terms of if someone is, uh, is, uh, is spewing toxic in terms of, um, hate speech, um, sexism, uh, bigotry. Like you kind of go down like what that could entitle, you know, not only do you have the right, but you have the mandate to block them from the, um, from that exchange as quickly as possible. Because we're not going to let the conversation rabbit trail, and if someone's coming in with that type of hostility and hatred, then we're going to cut it off right away because they're not looking to contribute to this conversation.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 43:49 A little looking to the rail at and your responsibility to keep the conversation moving along. And so to do that, block them and you know, I was always say lovingly, hey, invite them to the block party as quickly as possible. Uh, that type of person because we're not going to let the conversation get there. Now that's the few and far between. Like most people don't come that way. Most people are, um, or maybe have a bone to pick or they have a soapbox to get onto. And so it takes more massaging the conversation and redirecting. A lot of conversations kind of redirected back to the message. So, hey, that's an interesting point. I love your opinion on the Seahawks or that football it, whatever it is. But Hey, you know, what, what are your thoughts on the message that, that last point he made? And so block if you need to, but more probably redirect will be the main, uh, way to handle somebody who's taking the conversation a little sideways.
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 44:37 Um, is, is the, is the way it handled it. And then the last thing there too is, is don't feel they need to be the answer man or the answer woman. So like, just because we've been trusted you with this doesn't, doesn't mean we expect you to have all the answers and when you don't, uh, but, but when you don't, always a redirect. So don't have to say, I don't know. See, I don't know. Um, but that's, that's an incredible question. Uh, why don't you email the online campus, pastor Ben staple he at and he would love to give you additional information on that or in what, you know what, I've, uh, I've screened, captured that question. Uh, and, and, and you provide your email and he will follow. He or she will follow up with you. So there's layers, right? So it's the people you have to block the people, you have to redirect, um, in the conversation. And then the people you have to pass on to saying, hey, that's just kind of outside of my pay grade or you know, I'm not entirely sure what our stance is on female leadership within the church, but I know someone who loved to dialogue with you here, that person has reached out to them. So those, those are the ways that handled that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 45:41 And the bonus of having two people involved in the chat host and that was, that was so eloquently said earlier, but the idea that now you've got, um, a person that can handle this, the sensitive or the isolated issues separately and so route that have a person peel off and just either direct message or on Chop, you can have a one on one conversation and the other person can still focus on handling and directing the rest of the service without, you know, waiting for that without dealing with the messy slash sensitive uh, situation. And so like that's, that's an exact reason why you always want to have to end there. Um, making that work. So that's, that's awesome. Well, man, hey, this has been a great chat and we could sit on here and just keep going, but I want to be sensitive to time of your side in a another. So a man, any, any closing thoughts in any, you know, just any passing lob you want to like throw at me? What, what do you got?
  
  
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  Ben Stapley: 46:42 Yeah, we, we, you know, we talked all about the like the, the, the how's, right? Like I was just always come back to the why's. And so for me it's the, this is like, and this is an incredible opportunity to credible platform, uh, the church leveraging it will continue to leverage it to draw people closer to Jesus. And so it was like, Eh, you know, even I forgot to frame the conversation that way, but, you know, sometimes we can get lost on the, within the technology itself or we can get lost in the comparison game. This church is doing that or that you're just doing that. Why aren't we doing that? Um, um, or even for myself sometimes, like the, the, the volunteerism, right? Uh, this, you know, this chat host isn't as polished as I'd like them to be. Um, for me, coming back to the hey, mmm. He'd been out in the forefront of her mind that this is just another platform, another venue, another environment to ultimately introduce people to Jesus and, and allow him to woo them closer to him. Uh, for me, keeping that why in front of my eyes helps handle all those tensions that I just mentioned that I, I, you know, that we all wrestle through. Um, uh, and on, on a daily basis. So keeping that up there is a super helpful to keep moving us down the road.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 47:53 Yeah. We've, uh, why is, has got to be the first and foremost thing and, and we've, uh, we've talked about it in an earlier podcast and, and there's, um, you know, there's plenty of resources and actually if you go on the blog at the church digital, you find that, I asked that question a lot. Where, what, what's the why of it? You know, I was on, I was on Facebook recently in, in a group for church online and, um, and somebody was like, I've got $5,000, what should I do? And, um, you know, the, the, the first question I kind of threw back at him was, what is the purpose of what you're doing? What's working and what's not working? Don't just blow your, this new found budget on, on the newest toy. Um, if it's not going to solve a problem, so let's, let's talk through your problem, then find where the money should go in.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 48:41 And everybody was kind of laughing at that. But it's, it's the really the purpose behind it where we don't understand as an organization, a lot of churches don't understand the why of church online or they don't have it yet. So man, a Ben, thanks for, you know, landing the plane right there and helping us keep focused on that. Um, hey, this has been a great time with you and you know what? We're going to have to do it again. Um, I'm sure at some point because I just like hanging out with you and you bring a lot of knowledge to the, to the table and a lot of experience, uh, through, uh, liquid through Christ fellowship and others. So thanks for joining us once again and, uh, for the audience out there. Thanks again. Uh, next podcast is coming up, so stay tuned for that. And until then, uh, my name is Jeff with the church digital. Thanks for being here.
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                    Confession: I'm a slave to my iPhone. Apple is too good, and Screen Time has confirmed my worst fear... I'm addicted to my phone. I'm not going to drop numbers on you, but I'm close to spending multiple days a week looking at my iPhone device. Yes, I'm a technical, innovative guy. I mean, DIGITAL is literally in the company name... But when I look at my usage stats, unfortunately, I see someone sloppily, unintentionally, obsessively using mobile technology to the detriment of the physical environment. And that's not good.
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                    Last week my iPhone XR yellow bricked. Like DOA. No power, nothing. It tanked on me at about 9:30 am, and I was away from the office pretty much all day. Honestly, it was the best, most-focused day I've had in a while. And it's not because I was disconnected from technology.
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                    If you know me, you know I'm an Apple Fanboy, so even though my iPhone was bricked, I've got at least two other Apple Devices on me at all times... my Apple Watch 4 Cellular, and my Apple AirPods. While my phone bricked, the Watch and AirPods quickly became my communication hub for the day since I was out of the office.
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                    Several interesting things happened that day: I was much more aware of the physical environment. In addition, I still had access to the communication I needed. The watch pinged me on text, social media, or important email notifications. But it really stopped there. The distracting, time-sucking notifications that pop up on the iPhone? Well, there's no way to execute them on the Watch.
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                    When programmers develop for most devices, they aren't worried about how long people work on those devices. Someone working on a laptop for hours? That's normal. Working on an iPhone minutes at a time? That's typical... but the Apple Watch? These engagements are meant to last for seconds. As in &amp;lt;5sec. Because who's going to stare at their watch for hours trying to do something on a tiny display! Even +10sec staring at a watch is awkward. Smartwatches are based on glances. And that's awesome.
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                    Facebook is moving emphasis away from the news feed... and the Internet releases a collective sigh of relief. In today's age, wars are practically waged on people's news feed as Facebook's algorithms have failed to recognize political party lines effectively. I'm a digital guy, and even I've considered dropping Facebook on a personal level because of the argumentative state I see in my feeds. On top of that, there's just so much content out there, that even the effectiveness of the content being posted en masse isn't effective in reaching the right people. And, when content reaches the wrong people, even good content becomes noise.
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                    Church, what you're hopefully seeing built here is a pretty effective argument towards creating Biblical Community in physical environments, but also in digital spaces. Wait, Biblical Community online? Can you do that? According to Facebook, their ongoing research, and their developmental dollars... yes, yes you can community online. And I would argue, for the physical church and digital church to be effective in 2019 and beyond, we must embrace a more discipleship-oriented community modeled in both physical locations and online.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to the church digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and it is a pleasure once again to have you all join us today. We've got a great episode here. This is episode seven. We've done seven of these things already and time has been flying by. I'm joined today by Kevin Lee, who is the online small groups pastor over at Saddleback, just a small little church over there on the west coast. And uh, you may remember his name. He came up a couple of times in conversation during episode three talking with Jay Kranda and Jay tried to steal some of his thunder. Uh, but we saved it and we got it. So it's going to be a great episode. Hey Kevin, man, why don't you just take a minute, just tell us a little bit about yourself and your ministry and what it looks like over there at Saddlebacks.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 00:47 Yeah, Jeff, glad to be here. Thanks for having me. And so my, my role at Saddleback is a small groups pastor for, for our campus, which is the online campus. So, uh, just for a short, I just, you know, title Myself Online, small group pastor, and a lot of people think that I, I deal only with the online small groups and, and a lot of people actually don't know what that means. So, so, uh, but actually half of our groups and majority of our groups are actually meeting at home groups that, that meets in other states, uh, outside of our physical campuses, immediate reach and about another half of our small groups are meeting online. So I don't know if you're going to ever, ever talk about that or in your previous episodes you've talked about that. But, um, so I, I care for, I pastor along with our volunteers and our team, um, to help our small groups do well. And be healthy.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 06:29 And I was just thinking something so individual such as working out, you know, is, is they're able to have accountability through, you know, facetiming and just, I just thought that was, you know, just a small example of how technology is changing the real relationships, uh, changing the trust accountability aspects. And we're just bringing that over to our church and see, hey, we want to, we know that relationships are important and we know that accountability is important and we, we know that community is important and we want to bring that in whatever way to our, our church, uh, to people that we ministered to and we just said, hey, you can use whatever you want to have these community and let's see where it goes. And we have some of most vibrant and deep conversations in our Skype groups, uh, people who meet through zoom.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 07:32 And we even have some people that do text groups because just there, these people are working professionals, working moms. They have really no time that they can designate that, like, uh, designate a time to meet regularly. So they put them in stem, uh, themselves in a slack. And these people tell me that these conversations are what gets them going. You know, they literally are, are encouraged by the texts that they get and they, they try to meet, you know, every once in a while just to just to, um, be just confirm with one another that they're doing good and just to check on themselves. But those texts, messages and those, you know, um, checkups are literally what keeps, what's keeping them alive and do well in their relationship with God and relationship with other people. So there's so many different stories like this that are doing the work of the church right to, that are bearing the fruit of ministry to say, Hey, that's not the Ministry of the church. That's not church. That's, we can't, I feel like that's discounting people story, if you say that. So yeah, just my 2 cents. Let's unpack
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:56 a little bit because this is good. You're, so the text groups, the, you know, the, the Skype groups, the ones that are using virtual software cause cause there is home groups, and I want to get to that in a second. But the ones that are using the technology as, as the vehicle to stay connected to communicate, uh, are, are the people all within the same geographical area, like they're in the same city or are they separated by distance? Kind of? What's the example that you have here.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 09:21 so some are, some aren't. So we have, we say we purposefully don't have a specific software for, for our groups to meet. Um, that's because we have groups in Asia, we have groups in Europe and they have softwares that they're familiar with and we say, hey, this is the only platform you, that you can use. Um, we become the bottleneck of, of how, how they can meet and we don't want to do that. Um, there's, you know, with technology there's a bandwidth issue. There's with different countries, they're different tech, not technological issues that, that we don't want to become the limitations too. So, um, these, these groups use whatever that they're comfortable with. And some groups are, um, just like the slack group that I talked about. Um, they are geographically close, somewhat, but not, um, not so close so that they can meet every week. But, um, we have also some groups that are literally across the country. We have some people that meeting west coast, uh, some, some live in the west coast and some people who live in east coast, so they have to account for time zones and different things. Um, but they, they meet like that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:36 That's awesome. Yeah. I lead up, I myself, I lead a, an online small group and online Bible study. We meet every Tuesday night. Um, within my study. I'm down here in Miami, Florida, and I've got people in the group from Miami, Florida. I've got people from Fort Lauderdale, from North Florida up Deland/Plant City area. I've got people up in New York, I've got people in Houston, uh, that, that jump on it. And so it's, it's, it's this really, one of the things that I love about it, it's this really unique mix. Uh, when I talk about like online groups, I think you can get people in a virtual conversation. Uh, you can get them together in a room, but if you tried to get them together, like in a physical room and tried to do the same thing, I don't, I, I just, I don't think it, it works.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:25 Like I'm 42, um, I've, I've got people, I've, there's a woman in the group while I was actually friends with her daughters like growing up, you know, and so it's like a 70 old person plus, and I'm not putting, you know, an age on Janice Collins. I apologize. So it's a 70 something, you know. Um, I'm, I'm 40 somethings and there's 20 somethings in there. They're single moms, there's a, you know, a lawyer dad with working too much. And so it's, it's like all these different, um, types of personalities come together. Uh, and it growing together with what's interesting and like, I didn't put pressure on this and the group's only been meeting like six, seven months now, but they've started calling themselves family. Like this wasn't me prompting or are pushing them. They, they did that on their own. So now it, it's, it's like, uh, I wasn't, I wasn't able to be on recently and it had someone else lead the group for me and like, I'm getting messages, you know, hope things are okay, missed you today.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 12:30 And so like there's, there's self accountability that that's grown up within this group. That's so, um, it's so awesome. You know, and, and like the people who were in the group, this online group that, that live in Miami, they're like a couple miles away from a physical campus, but it's, it's a, it's a single mom who's like, yeah, I don't have, I don't have the capacity to try to get my kid together and go join this thing, but I need biblical community, so let me get it online. Or it's like I said, it's, it's a, it's a dad who's a, uh, the single lawyer in his law firm and he's getting home at work at like eight o'clock at night and, and to, to gear up, to go, you know, do a small group at our house isn't happening, but jump on a computer and do zoom.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 13:13 You know, all of a sudden it opens the door for more of, of, of this community. Um, tell me like, give me one story and I can keep going. I get my mom, my mom 70 [inaudible], she leads two online small groups and we're going to get her on a podcast. But, and for her it was a rejuvenation of, of our ministry life. You know, she's, she's 70, she's retired. She's thinking, okay, it's, it's a, it's a young kid's world. Let, let them Kinda Kinda run with the ministry. And so she was literally like handing off her ministry responsibilities to simplify or a lot. Yeah. And then she discovered this niche of, of mentoring and discipling, you know, young professionals, young girls and the availability to just do that. And so she picked up and ran it. And so like one group, was it enough? Now she's doing a second one. Um, the only way I can keep going, I can brag about what my mom tell me. Kevin, tell me one story, man. Tell, tell me something cool.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 14:14 I have a lot, but let me just share with you the most recent ones. So at Saddleback, we do what we call quarterly planning. So we meet every quarter and we just planned for, um, what new thing that we want to do. So, um, and we just planet by week by week and at the end of this planning section, we have what we call vision stories. What, what this is, is we have to write a fictional story of, uh, if all of these plans go well, what kind of story are we going to be able to tell to other people? How will it make itself into a story? Because we don't want to make it a, it just a work plan. We want to be able to see the vision behind it. So my story has always been, hey, we have a, a person who is in 40 somethings and who's just thriving in business, uh, don't know the Lord just doing well on business, being recognizing knowledge and its neighborhoods and its corporate world and everything at kind of type a personality.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 15:24 And I always use, you know, that he's, he's a, he's in Ohio, Columbus, Ohio. I just make it up, you know, just to make it fun. And, and this person just goes through, you know, coast through life and it's really driven, but some, something happens where, you know, he starts to lose things and that could be anything and it's just, we can just say that life happens and it could be health related things, it can be relational related things. And he's just begins to drop everything. And in the midst of this, you know, there's a, a neighbor of his that hands and the purpose driven life book and write every kind of throw in there, something I in there and just reads the book, you know, gets to know that, you know, there's a online service at Saddleback and he's heard of Saddleback church, but he doesn't really know what it is.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 16:17 So he goes to our worship, uh, online and just watches it. And you know, long story short, uh, except she's as Christ and he wants to dive into what this means. He wants to know more about the decision that he just made. So he just reaches out to us and he realizes that there's, that he needs to belong to a family. Just like you were saying, Jeff, it's not church is not something that you put faith in. Uh, it's a family you belong to. So he realizes there's some options for online small groups. So he joins the online small groups and, excuse me. And then he just gets to know all these different people who are there to love him and support him. And after all of this, he decides that because we every, every now and then we say to the online small group, Tafe, there are people that are around you that you want to have home groups with.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 17:18 Why don't you do that as well? And so he decides to do home group, he hosts it. And then he starts to meet with, you know, with this small group to worship together and to have baptism and community, which we'll talk about. So that has been always the, my vision stories. So a couple weeks ago I went to Florida, actually in Tampa, Florida for a conference. And I knew there was a small group out there that was meeting those meetings. It was really growing. So I thought, hey, uh, it wasn't Kissimmee, uh, which was I think hour and a half away from Tampa. So I just drove out there and said, hey, I'm good. I want to come to your small group. And they were getting ready for me and let's worship together. And I just went without not really knowing who I'm going to meet. I knew of the host but not the stories behind it.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 18:16 So I went and I just started talking to them and her name is Connie and she gave me permission to share this wherever I want. Uh, and so she, her story reflects the vision story that I've been been writing for past couple, couple of quarters and it's just Connie was doing really well and in the business world. And, um, something tragic happens and she gets to a point where she cannot leave their home. So literally, uh, online church has become her family and her church. And she went to online small groups. She joined another online small groups. She began to host the home group. And then the midst of all of this, she, yeah. Gets baptized. And so, um, I, I visited her and we're, we're, we're talking about it. And I had a, um, this is my new life t shirt. This is the baptism tee shirt that we do for our baptisms.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 19:26 And I just brought it and I thought there may be someone that I need to baptize him in this trip. I just brought it and she saw the shirt and she said, hey, I'm baptized, but this is such a, uh, it's my story. Um, and she wanted to be baptized again. So I had a chance to baptize her again. Um, and this, so it, it was so cool that we had someone come through our, the, the front door of online church and she is now gathering in her home with, you know, friends and neighbors. And that's just a cool little story of how, how our ministry really works. So..
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:09 That's, that's awesome. It. And so Kevin, a lot of the listeners out there, man, they are starting this, this church online. Maybe they're toying with, they're asking questions and, and like the story you just said there, uh, is still powerful in the fact that it reflects an individual. Connie is a real life person who was impacted by church, through Saddleback church online. And, and as a result, result of that and, and Saddleback providing online discipleship opportunities for her to grow deeper and her faith and strengthen what she believes she got to the place where she not only wanted to do physical or should we not only doing virtual but eventually even going to online, but to do a, uh, a house, a home where now she's impacting people within, within her physical community and bringing in that store.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:07 Just the angle of would you baptize me again? Like it's so it's so important to who she is and, and so, you know, churches that are out there that are just starting out, like, don't forget the stories. Don't forget the people. Um, Kevin, how many times have you told that story
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 21:26 man, since that happened? Probably six or seven. Eight times.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:31 Yeah. When you get the wins church online, people tell everybody and their mother texts whoever different on social media, like get it out there because what you and people who don't agree with with church online or think church online is wrong. They can have that opinion but, but they can't argue, uh, they can't argue a story. Like somebody cannot argue against whether or not Connie's life was changed as a result of, of church online. Yeah. So don't lose the individual, uh, aspect of that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:03 Celebrate the individual aspect of it. And when you're, hang on to the, the, the stories like Connie's that, that's so good.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 22:13 I just want to encourage the listeners if they're, you know, if they're at a point where they're kind of considering to start at eight or not, man, there are so many stories that God's brewing, uh, when you started that, you'll see so many stories of life transformation and life impact through this, through this ministry.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:37 Amen. You awesome. We're not done. I felt like that was a great place to land the plane. But I got more questions. Remember? So we're, we're talking about here is, um, is, you know, challenges that people have against church online. And so, you know, church online can't have biblical community. Forget about it. Like [inaudible] Connie, Connie's a prime example of how, you know, and utilizing online... online to offline.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:01 We've talked about that Connie grew in her faith online. Then eventually the gospel impacted our offline world when she created her own home group. I mean, that's like the prime example of how online offline works. You don't know what online offline is. Check the show notes, we'll link and there's plenty of resources out there for that. But one of the other challenges, you know, that, that I hear about and to me this, this is, this is funny, but you know, I understand, um, well it's, it's, yes, it's biblical, but the, um, you know, it's how this plays out kind of in the church world is biblical ordinances. Things like, uh, baptisms, things like communion. Um, some of some of these items and you know, and being a former online pastor, you know, I've heard these stories all the time of are these the challenges of how do you do communion online?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:48 You can't, you can't do communion, you can't baptize somebody threw a computer like it though. It gets so it can't be church because you're not, you're not able to do this. And, and you know, once, you know, it's funny, the first couple of times I kinda like, I kinda like got angry and, and so it's confession. Confession is good for the soul, right? And so when, when the challenges come up on me, I am a type a type person and so somebody steps up, I'm going to step up to, uh, but, but it's interesting how, you know, when, when you really listen to the questions about what their, what their questioning and how they're wrestling with these things and now, okay. How, so if you were trying to like lead a discipleship movement online and was important, you know, ask the person how would communion and get them to just even start to wrestle with, with what it looks like. Kind of flip the coin a little bit on them. Um, but, but in your context, Kevin and I had loved some of the stuff that Saddleback is doing on this, you know, especially as you're looking at doing the, the home groups, uh, the micro locations that, that, that you guys are starting to, to grow into. Like, or just in general, somebody watching a service, how do you do communion? How do you do baptism?
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 25:01 Yeah, for sure. That's a great question. And that is a question that we get asked off even in the midst of our staff, say, hey, so I know you guys do baptism and communion. Do you guys baptize people online? Like virtually? So you get that questions a lot. So the short answer for that is no, we don't do baptism virtually. Uh, but we
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:23 funny you talking about your guy with the gym get an iPhone that's waterproof... No, I'm totally kidding. Don't do that. Sorry to interrupt. Kevin. Please keep going up.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 25:34 No problem. So we're all about just decentralizing and empowering people to become the person who can baptize another person. So what we do is, so I'll just talk about baptism first. Um, for baptism because we have small groups literally all around the world and there are people who wants to make the decision of being baptized. So whenever we get those requests, we just go through, uh, some, some of the basic trainings. And like I said in the introduction, we try to look at the Bible and just draw out the essence of these ordinances, what this baptism mean essentially in the w in, in the biblical times and what, and for what Jesus says in what Paul says in First Corinthians. But what, what gospel says about baptism. So we go through basic definitions of baptism and something that we really stress on, uh, regarding baptism is baptism is your outward expression of your inward decision.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 26:54 And Baptism doesn't save you, but it means that you are already saved. So we go at the heart of that person's decision of taking, uh, putting their faith in Jesus Christ. And as long as we confirm that we want to have you be baptized, so we would get on a three way call with someone who, who's already been baptized by immersion and then we would go through this training together and say, hey, so and so is interested in being baptized and we notice that she lives by you. And we would love if you could be baptize her and, uh, we go through the definition of what baptism is and just like we're going to make through it right now. And then we just go through some logistics, say, Hey, um, let's pick a location like a lake or pool or Beach where you can, you can be completely under the water, um, and, and baptize you if, uh, baptized one person at a time.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 27:58 If there is couples, um, you would want to baptize one person first because we want to make this an individual, um, event and, and just have people around that person who's been a part of her faith journey. Uh, so because this is a celebration, so we would go through these logistics and, um, of how you can do baptism in their, in their area. So, uh, we do all of the trainings virtually like this on a zoom call or John l on the audio call and we answer all the calls questions, and we just released them, hey, you're free to, to baptize and just pick a location and a date and, um, go ahead and, and baptize that person. So that's how bad it is and works for us.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:49 I, I love this and one of the things that, and you flew by it real fast, but what it, what it is is it's, it's decentralizing the ministry in context. Uh, and so, and if you, if you're serious about church online, you can look at that phrase of decentralizing. Because in the reality is, and we talked about this with a, with Jay back in episode three, is church online as it grows, will quickly outscale. Um, what you're able to do organizationally, you know, and, and I think Jay was, Jay was mentioning that right now there's like 50 people on a waiting list to get baptized. And so if it's, you know, if it was talking about, if it's, if it's waiting for, for Saddleback staff to fly out there, uh, you know, that's, that's a lot of expense back and forth to do this.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:40 But what I love about is we're, we're decentralizing the ministry away from church leaders, church staff, paid pastor professional, uh, and, and realizing, Hey, the same gospel works for it. The people as it does for the pastor, the same holy spirit that's in the pastor is in the, is in the people. So let's train the people to do this, to, to get asked to be the shepherds, uh, to, you know, to be able to spiritually lead in those, those situations. And so you're, you're empowering, not the pastor to be the hero coming in, but you're empowering, you know, the, the people to be the hero and, and leading in that situation. So I love the fact of, of decentralizing and, and I've, we've got some other resources and stuff we talked about. We'll put it in the show notes, but decentralizing it is a great way to empower and spread the reach of your ministry beyond just the, the circle of influence of, of where your physical churches.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 30:38 Yes, exactly. That's exactly right.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:42 So we've got, we've talked about, uh, we talked about baptism, we, you know, some, some of the trainings and that and um, what, what is, what is, what does communion look like? How have you been kind of creative in that space or what is Saddleback doing the handle communion online.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 30:55 Yeah. Convenient. We take the same approach of, Hey, what does community look like in, in the New Testament? And we, um, basically look at Matthew 26 where Jesus, there's the communion with this, with his disciples and the first Corinthians where Paul addresses the Corinthians about the communion, about the communion. And we just realized that it's an, it's something that you do with your community to give thanks and to remember what Jesus has done in, in, uh, in their lives. And we just realized that this doesn't have to be in the physical building of the church, right? Because it doesn't say anything about the physical space. It just says, Hey, do this in remembrance of Jesus Christ and what he has done on the cross. And these, there are elements that are involved that symbolizes, chooses his body and Jesus's blood. And we just wanted to say, hey, this is what communion is.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 31:56 It's meant to be done in community with believers. Um, real time we just add that because we, we, we want to have some people in the, in the, in the same virtual place at that same time. And, and we say, this is something that you do to give thanks and to remember what Jesus done in your life. So it's gotta be, uh, for believers if you're not a believer yet. Uh, we just, uh, we just want you to actually watch and see what we do to give thanks to our Lord. So we just thought those are the essence of what communion is. No, we just said, hey, just like baptism, we want to empower you to do communion in your small groups. And so for some people that'd be home groups. So I think you can just kind of imagine what could happen and the home group space because they can get the elements, prepare the elements and they read the verse, First Corinthians verse, and then they take a time to thank God for the forgiveness that they received.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 33:07 And then they take to the elements and then just they share, uh, about what, uh, what that means for one another. For online groups, uh, it takes a little bit more effort, but it's not something that's unnatural because we can just come together. Like you and I are coming together in this virtual space, which everybody's now acknowledging as a real and legitimate space. Every comment in real time. And then we prepare elements individually. So you, Jeff, you would prepare the elements, just bread and juice and I would do the same and go through the same thing. Uh, there will be a host or facilitator of communion saying, Hey, um, this is what communion means and this is where it comes out in the Bible and for what Jesus has done, let's take a time to give thanks to choose this individually and take the elements and share and, and in a conversation so that that would be what communion looks like on an online model.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 34:10 So you guys did, I mean, there, there's so much there, but the, in context of communion, you guys do communion more in the group environment online than you do in the, in a church service.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 34:22 you know, we, we used to do it in a church environment where we said, hey, because we do, we do communion. Uh, and we broadcast that whenever we do it at our physical campus. And we say, hey, we're doing communion this weekend, so why don't wear your watch and do it with us? But we just thought, Jay and I thought, hey, we are all about decentralizing and empowering the leavers to do, uh, to these ordinances. Why don't we do a training? So we did a training last week and we're basically launching this idea of, hey, you can do it with your small group whenever you want to, to remember to remember what Jesus done in your life. So, uh, we're still doing the online service and inviting people to do it with us and the online service. But Hey, you could do it with your small group whenever you want.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:15 We're in more intimate, more familial. Um, yeah, there, there's a, there's a lot of good there. I hadn't, yeah, I hadn't flipped that switch in my head, but that's really a good idea. Um, you know, still do church is still do communion and context of the entire church when you're gathering together as a whole body, even doing online, you know, at the same time as an, as an online former pastor. Like, I've done that and I've gone through those experiences, but there's something intimate about doing it. You know, in the, in the, in the small, um, six people, eight people, 10 people, people that you, you know, um, you know, gathered, get the elements together and do it either in a home group or you know, virtually through like a zoom thing and everybody bringing their own, uh, you know, uh, bread and juice or, or whatever the representation of the bread is man that, that's awesome.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 36:06 But by doing these things right, we start to chisel away at some of these perceptions of what we can't be church online because we're not doing, you can't, you can't baptize somebody. You can't do communion. Well, no, you can, it, it looks different. Um, arguably if you really look at some of the context and to your point biblically, there are times where church online actually looks more like the biblical model of the church then the church is. But, um, you know, uh, but I, I the, so the, but the coexistence of online and physical, like, I think they both work together well. And so man, you've told some, some great stories. Uh, and some, some great examples. I will not forget Connie story, uh, for, for a long time. Hey, we're going to link to the, um, the, the trainings, uh, that he had talked about.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 37:00 Uh, I think they're on Youtube, right? Um, Kevin. So we'll link to it in the show notes and, and you can have it there. So it's nice and easy, uh, and clean for you. Hey, uh, just, just as we're wrapping up, we've got maybe five more minutes, but like what, what, what's another challenge out there that you've, you, you've heard, I'm just curious because this might happen, this might be the thing that'll see the next step or another, another episode soon. What time of the challenge that you've heard, hey, you can't be church because blah, blah, blah.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 37:31 I think everybody has, what I realize is everybody has different definition of community. Um, and I think that the aspect of community is actually being developed as the technology is changing the world. So I used to think, you know, I was raised up in a very conservative church where hey, community can only happen in a church like your, your church, you're a part of the church family. If you're inside of a church and you meet the other person inside your worship center. So that has been, you know, my, my definition of community, but I realize that there's community outside of church, you know, in my school and my, you know, there's people that I met outside the church that I still do life with and that's also my community. So that kind of broke out the definition that I was given when I was being raised up in a, in a church.
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 38:33 And I realized through stories like, um, though the working out at the fitness and through the stories of, of slack and you know, the, the story of the slack group is actually actually it was told by someone, it's as a vice president of a very well known company. And just to see that happen, uh, for, for someone who is very successful, it just began to break down what community actually being the, the challenge that I get, the question that I get was, hey, can you call a virtual community real community? And I think the answer is absolutely yes because, and I think the people outside of the church answer this question for us because they're already doing community, um, virtually and through things like Skype and slack, they're already doing it. And let me tell you something that I learned. Um, I was, I use zoom mainly for our video calls and I was trying to have a way to subgroup, subgroup we can talk about later, but it's a way to when in a home group.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 40:53 That's awesome. You know, the breakout rooms are very cool that that is a relatively new feature. But you know, and the thing that I love about this is your volunteers, you know, your leaders, the people that are involved within your online community care enough about it to like dig in and explore and to learn what's out there. Um, you know, and often found from for myself that, that they were, they were... I'm an aggressive, innovative type of guy, but there were often people that were leading me and saying, Hey, have you seen this? Have you tried this? Have you thought of this? Um, and so like they were aggressive as well and trying to figure out how to use the technology for it to, to solve a lot of these problems. Um, and to try to help proclaim it and to get, you know, church online, the exposure that it needs.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 41:44 Um, well I'll tell you what Kevin, man, this has been a great conversation we're going to have to do it again cause I feel like, um, we just, we barely scratched the surface of, of a much deeper thing. Uh, but I love what, uh, what you're doing and what Jay combination are doing out there, uh, to kind of push the, the limits, uh, of, of community in, in context of online. Like it's not enough just to do the, um, uh, just to do the broadcast to service, but to work and to focus on creating that community piece that's so essential. If we are really going to call church online at Church that functions in online space, uh, the best thing you said, and if I want to, I want to send out someone off just in this one statement, at least of what I heard today.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:27 A church don't become a bottleneck, uh, released some of the, the power that we would normally say, oh, that's something that church has to do. Or, you know, let's get a pastor to do that. Let's put them on a list and we'll figure out how release that power and let 'em in train, uh, volunteers train people to do those things, trained them how to do the Baptisms, how to do the communion. Um, you know, and you'll see, you'll see the ministries expand and grow because you're no longer the lid. You're no longer the bottleneck. It's, it's much larger than that. So decentralize that and empower people out there, uh, to become the spiritual leaders really that God empowered them to be. So Kevin, thank you very much for joining us today. This has been awesome. Uh, in 20 seconds, any closing thoughts before you go?
  
  
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  Kevin Lee: 43:21 Yeah, I, you know, what online church has allowed me to do was by thinking, um, what could be, it actually helped me to go deeper into the Bible and see the essence of what Christianity is. So I want to invite the listeners to get into this, to development so that you can continue to see what by Christianity really is.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 43:49 That's awesome. There's so much to that, um, of, of digging into it. I mean, I've, I've often thought about doing an online bible study just for like online pastors and some of us that are out there and just unpacking that because there's so much richness in the Bible towards what church really is that defines church online, but doesn't necessarily match the, what the typical American church model has become. Not slamming the model, just it's, it's, it's doesn't always match up. So yeah, I would love that. If you're interested in that, uh, it hit me up on social media, Kevin, where can people find you on social media? Just as we close.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 44:34 tell you what [inaudible] is. That's my Korean name. But uh, you can maybe link that on, on the shownotes. Yeah, we'll put that on the show notes and that'll be great, uh, on deerffej on all the networks and hey, Kevin, it has been a pleasure to hang out with you. This has been great. Thank you for your time and your insight, listeners. Glad you could join in and be part of this once again. Next up, episode eight, we've got ben stapley coming up, uh, talking about communicating in context of church online. It's going to be a great episode. You won't want to miss it, uh, for Kevin, my name is Jeff. Thank you very much for being here and we'll see you next time on the church. Digital podcast. Y'All have a good day.
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                    As much as we talk about Church Online, it's only the tip of the iceberg surround church and technology. And while I love the idea of churches doing ministry online, there are currently opportunities for churches to utilize technology to complement the ministry at the physical church locations.
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                    The dots are Life Groups scattered around the world. These are lives being impacted, changed, discipled. What I see here is Online Discipleship being used. I see lives being changed not just by watching a video, but by empowering volunteers, lay people, anyone and everyone with the Gospel.
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                    Suddenly, an effective Church Online doesn't just exist in digitally. It exists physically... and is stretching the church beyond its established geographical boundaries.
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                    Every Sunday morning, Facebook Live explodes with churches broadcasting their services online. Honestly, Facebook makes broadcasting services online so inexpensive, so easy to do... there's really no reason not to do this. Yes, there are churches that will be more aggressive with their video production, but at the end of the day Facebook Live, YouTube Live, Church Online Platform... these are great ways for people to have the "church experience online".
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  " and shockingly, I agree with her. Your Online Church Service is not the definition of Church Online.
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                    Your physical church location is more than just weekend, right? You likely have some sort of Bible Study, Small Group, Sunday School thing happening... but do you have a solution in place for people who watch your services Online? Chat Hosts during a service is a nice first step... but that can't be the endgame of biblical community, can it? There has to be more.
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                    Rob takes it a step further, as he believes so much into the vision of Christ Fellowship Miami's Church Online he's created a Virtual Reality (VR) experience for Christ Fellowship Miami's Church... all from his house north of London, England, literally hosting a VR Church from another continent.
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                    Church, would Rob have had this experience if Christ Fellowship Miami just broadcasted their services online? Would Rob know what it is to be discipled, or turn and disciple others? What about those that have been in Rob's groups. How would they have been impacted if Christ Fellowship Miami ignored the biblical mandate to make disciples (
  
  
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                    Simple truth. Churches that broadcast services and don't create discipleship opportunities through digital spaces are creating an environment of consumerism of spiritual goods online. Yep. 
  
  
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                    I admit: there are many questions on Church Online. But without a doubt I can tell you one question that isn't. Those of you broadcasting services online... don't stop there. Don't create consumers. Create disciples.
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                    We've talked a lot lately about the philosophical shift coming by way of Church Online. In addition to just broadcasting church services online, the Church now has the potential to expand into creating opportunities for Biblical Community and Discipleship in Online Spaces. That being said, new people come into this conversation regularly, and it's helpful to back up and provide some educational resources and context to get someone caught up in the conversation.
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                    Remember, technology is not THE END... it is the the MEANS TO THE END. Get help utilizing technology to extend your church's reach, even expanding discipleship opportunities, digitally. Church Online needs to become a vital part of your church's strategy, shaped and adapted as necessary to fit within your church's context. The goal is not discipleship virtually... the goal is to extend your reach virtually to impact people with the Gospel physically.
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                    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}Questions? Unsure on next steps? Book some time with THECHURCH.DIGITAL and let us help you figure out your church's next steps.
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                    Most churches run extra services to allow for maximum load of their physical location seating capacity. Take advantage of these extra services and broadcast them as well. Do you have a Good Friday service? Don't be afraid to broadcast the extra service online. Take the opportunity to test out some new service times... see how people respond! Doing physical services Saturday? Do them Online too! The more exposure, the more opportunities you have to engage people.
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                    One of the hardest things to do in Church Online is to get someone who doesn't want to talk to anyone to start talking to someone. This Easter, double up your Chat Hosts. With Church Online, sometimes you need to emulate the behavior you want. So, have one Chat Host who's hosting. Have another Chat Host who's not acting like a host, but like a very "engaged" Online Attender. It's a lot easier for someone in isolation to jump into a chat when it's already happening.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Well. Hey, welcome to the church digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and it is a pleasure once again to be with you today here on episode three Church digital podcasts. We focused on church online and a lot of the implications that it has for discipleship in the long run implications is a big word to say when you're trying to say quickly. I'm joined today by our guest host once again, Rey DeArmas, online campus pastor from Christ fellowship, Miami. Hey, you want to say, hey.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:45 well, yeah, these are, these are a Brazil soccer colors and my wife is a Brazilian and so anything else outside of Brazilian soccer wear in my household it gets burned pretty much. So I am required by law and by marriage to wear these colors. But somebody noticed that,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:01 well, we're going to play a game here because voice number three has not yet  identified himself. So what online pastor do you think we're talking to? Okay. This is the worst game ever. Let me introduce Jay Kranda to the show here. Jay is online pastor at, at Saddleback and the godfather of online pastors in the American church. So, um, I for one and have enjoyed the relationship I've built up with them over the years. He's been instrumental for me saying leadership, look, this is the way Saddleback does it. We should do it this way too. And if you've not really dove into looking at, at Jay's, uh, set up and how he's structured things at Saddleback or Jay's website, jaykranda.com, uh, you definitely should do that because Jay, man, he's, he's on top of the game right now and doing a lot of things healthily in context of church online. As a matter of fact. Isn't that like your branding healthy church online?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 01:56 Is He something like that? Yeah. And when you say Godfather, I have like godfather three, like am I going to die on like an arm chair? Like, and I'm just going to drop something and it's like the way I end. That's
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:22 And we've been lamenting here and I don't want to get stuck here, but we've been lamenting through a Lebron woes with Rey and I being um, you know, Miami Heat fans over the years and, and Jay is experiencing much sorrow these days in Lakerville. Uh, so coming from Lebron fans, former Lebron fans out there, maybe current Lebron fans,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:53 So naively hopeful. The Jay Kranda story. Okay. Hey, so let's roll this thing. Here's what we want to focus on today. And this is one of the things and when I'm thinking about, hey, I want to talk about this topic. Jay Kranda, at the top of the list for me, here we go. Um, how to get a church online philosophy to align with physical location philosophy. And so like Jay man straight up five years ago, six years ago, I'm wrestling with this and for our, for Christ fellowship in Miami and I'm going on different websites and like you were, I don't want to say you were the first one that did this, but you were one of the first ones that was doing it on a large scale where we're physical and virtual and the groups like trying to sign up for a group of it was all the same thing and there wasn't a separation in that. And so man, like the thing that I want to hone in on is his way. Well done but, but be like, what have been the payoffs for that would have been the struggles would have been the rewards. Like, at what point did you guys, and let's just start here, at what point did you guys really align the philosophy with, with the physical and the virtual? So it really became one Saddleback, uh, going forward.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 04:00 Yeah, and I, I think just to be clear, like, think, well, first off, thanks for noticing that. I think that's something that we've tried really hard to align. Um, but I think a lot of people that I've experienced with, and I know you guys have had some of the conversations is around sometimes when you get started with online ministry, um, there's not a lot of documentation and expectation around what it should look like. It's one thing to launch a church or if you're multisite launch another campus. But with online, honestly, I don't feel like leadership had a ton of ideas. You know, I, I had, uh, resources to go to and ask questions and there was tons of mentoring, but that allowed us to do a lot of things. And something that I learned really early on that the only way that this is really going to work is that I got to align with what my church is great at.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 04:48 And so we started to have those conversations and, and just to somebody that was on staff already, I kind of knew our, our paradigm of, of how we kind of bring people in and send them out and kind of our funnel, our process, how people around the bases. And I kind of strategically, and this is especially true when I first got started because I felt like there was a lot of, mmm, not negativity, but there was this idea that online was going to hurt our local campuses and our local church. Not that everybody thought that, but I felt like I needed to over communicate to our local staff and in my context, my local like campus pastors, since we have you know, you know 19 plus campuses, I wanted to let them know that I'm an advocate for them. Like I never want to keep people online.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 05:34 So early on a lot of it just came from us just pushing and really great leadership on my end. I was like, that was above me. That kind of just helped me understand what was important, what were culturally things that were going on and a lot of just failures too, like if just like figuring out. But I just realized too that if I align with what my pastor was talking about and our teaching team that that was a good chunk of our weekly experience online and if I aligned with the language then I wasn't having to have them replicate. No another process because the likelihood and my pastor of like thinking about different language for online audience, first local, no, he's probably just going to hold up the response card that he tells everybody. And if I align all that stuff, that means I get to easily assimilate people.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 06:19 So honestly it makes sense now. But early on there was a lot of just, I think, I think there's what we need to do and we just started doing it and um, and then it started to pay off. Um, and, and so it was, it was, it did, it, there was a more fog early on then I think, um, if you were looking at our experience now, it would say, oh, this pile always made sense. And I was like, no, it did it. It was something that we just kind of slowly kind of, it started to make sense as we did it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:48 How long have you been on staff at Saddleback?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 06:50 I've been on staff, I think I'm coming up on 10 years, so I started right out of college. So it was like, yeah,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:56 it was, it was funny. I just, when you were talking, I just, I flashed back in in the year was probably 2007, 2008 in Rey. It was the, it was the first time we did revelation, um, at Christ fellowship. And we did not, not the first time, but the first time when they're Geiger. And um, and so we were doing it, I did a virtual small group and it wasn't like zoom or anything like that. We used a, it was a bbs system, uh, I think would, we just was Po blog comments. And so the video is in cognitive and comments were on underneath, I don't think it was 2007, like technology wasn't, wasn't quite rolling yet. And, and somebody from Saddleback called up Christ fellowship and I was like, the production guy who just on the side was like, Hey, I want to do this for online and just see what happens type of thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:42 Just playing around. Uh, and somebody from Saddleback called me up and they were like, Hey, yes, we share it to an online small groups. Like what lessons are you learning? And like really like interviewing me and I'm like, dude, I'm like, some gearhead like I don't, I don't know what I'm doing. I just was having fun with it, but they're really, really drilling in. So that's awesome. Um, so like what, what lessons have have, have you learned kind of in that process where you started off the, the kid is college, you're, you're, you're just coming into this thing. Not a lot of expectations necessarily up high, but, but obviously you've got, um, you know, a strong leader in context of, of Rick Warren who knows what he wants but maybe isn't specific in context in this area with, with vision, like you said, you aligned it very quickly to what they were doing. Like what were the pros and cons of doing that? So he got a guy that you're talking to that doesn't, that's new in this, like what lessons would you coach him on?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 08:37 Yeah, so I mean first off it's more like just here's what's happening and where do we want to go in? To be honest, like we've had different phases of saddle of, of our online ministry of like this is the clear goal. Now this is a clear goal and most recently, I know some of the conversations you and I have had, Jeff is, you know, we're, I'm really in this phase now of kind of revamping and reenergizing home gatherings, um, type of expression. So we're actually moving way more into that. But I think early on, one of the things was I, so first off I, I wanted to kind of educate and I had a boss early on that kind of created this verbage for me that I really loved is that we needed to educate our local staff of the value of the online service.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 09:24 That it isn't just this thing that, you know, people can just watch and not come to church type of thing. Is that, um, and we started saying this is that for tens of thousands of people, the online service or the online campus is the first and only expression of our church. So we got to do it right. And so any, he actually crafted that and he had, and we had conversations on, you need to say that in team meetings to other people because they're just thinking you're just hosting this thing and you're just falling up when response cards and you, you know, and they might not really have have thought about that. But if you educate them on all this is this is telling our community who we are and we've got to make sure that product as well. And so that started to really help kind of build that culture within our local team.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 10:06 Because the hardest thing I think for most people on staff at churches is when I come into a meeting and I want to do this thing that's going to require cameras and all this work, it's like I'm another thing on their list. I'm a task. And so most people don't like to do things based off task. They like to do things based off of vision. And so I think that was the coaching I learned is like, oh yeah, like, and I was fine. I was just, I was writing an email this morning about something we want to change up and I was communicating to some people and same thing, I was communicating the vision of why I think this would be important. But I think really thinking about it like this really is becoming a front door of our church and my team that's managing this in my volunteers that were super lean and we want to make sure that the, you know, we're doing this right.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 10:53 Um, the, the other thing is having a lot of conversations with our worship team and our video team around, I am somehow representing, are interacting with this very polished product and you think through from start to end how that should look and be. And then in my motto, I'm plopping on these intros and these outros onto this thing and I want to make sure like, you know, early on we did stuff just because we needed to do it. And now in the last couple of years we've had more conversations around like, hey, you guys own that product. And I'm kind of just a manager of it. And so we can change up anything. And I started to kind of have that conversation because like, I don't like my background is, my background is way more pastoral. I'm not very technical, but I'm not a technical person by nature. And so like I'm more care about just moving in to fill out a response card.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 11:41 Um, and so, um, so I think teaching the value to our leadership and that starts with me knowing, knowing those things, like I have to, I had to simplify our vision, had to simplify our process. I had to figure out like that simple crafting of just thinking about for tens of thousands of people. It's the first and only expression of our church was a huge thing. And I remember when my boss said it, I was like, oh my, well that makes total sense. Um, because again, most people on staff or just going about their day and I'm having to tell them. And the same thing of telling those stories up in the La, the last big thing was, um, you know, when we got stories, making sure that I would, two things, I would save it. Um, and then I would also forward it and kind of get it up.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 12:26 And so, and the thing is we would have stories that would come in, but just because the story happens doesn't mean it's the right story to share. So like there's two, there's one story where it's like somebody like, uh, like a pastor who's going, who's part of another church somehow recommitted their life through. Like maybe there there's something going on in their personal life. Well, I don't really want to tell the story of the pastor because he's not my main target, but the person who is unconnected, uh, we, we, we just had something a couple weeks ago as a perfect example. Somebody who had started watching online, um, came to faith, um, or was interested and I got them plugged into one of our campuses locally. And that's the story I want to tell. So figuring out what are the stories of kind of magnifying the potential of if we really kind of blow this thing up and really invest more. So I think those are some of the big learnings early on that there's definitely some cons too. But I think those are some of the big things that I learned at least in the first, you know, five years. Go ahead. Right. Yeah.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:27 Uh, when did, when did you guys make the turn from being purely content distributors to finally getting, gathering people in community? When did that happen for you?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 13:37 Yeah, I, so when I became the full time online pastor, we had online groups previously and I probably know who was calling you at that time. Um, and when I first got hired, the idea was the thing they wanted me to actually manage was the online groups. The idea was we have this service that happens, people respond. But like there isn't all this traditional campus pastor type of stuff to do because like you don't have to worry about set up, tear down, you don't have to worry about this main product. That's kind of on autopilot and a lot of ways you can, you build volunteers around. But when we, when our online groups really started to grow, they go, you know what? We could actually have the online pastor be over the service and all that stuff and the volunteer teams and make sure that's going, but their job could become just over these, these small groups that he's just caring for these small groups.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 14:30 So I was hired initially kind of as kind of how you would hire like a men's Pastor that he's over all the men's only groups that I was just over all the online only groups. And um, and what happened was somebody was doing online groups at that time and I kind of assimilated, we kind of like merged together in a way. And um, at that time, really from the beginning when I was full time, prior to that, I wasn't full time. I was part time. Um, it was, it was prior to that, it was just all content and just kind of some volunteer stuff. But when I got the groups, they really set the standard early on that we want this to be not just a crowd building, but a community building thing by making me really the small group pastor of all the online groups. Um, and so I think that was, it was like, it was a bar set early on like this is going to be your core community that you develop that if, if, if your groups are healthy, that means your online church is healthy. And I, and I think it kind of, it made a lot of sense to me and we just kind of really embraced that model.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:28 You said something, this is off topic, but you said, so I'm talking about groups. You told me once in the physical church is people connect to Christ before they connect to community. You see that as a accept Christ invitation than it takes six months to get them into a group or something like that. It depends upon the church, but in an online context you've seen examples of where people connect to the community before they connect to Christ. We're looking for engagement and looking for friendship and it's through those relationships, that real true understanding of who Christ has happens. He's Jay shaking his head. Yes. So he obviously he's agreeing with this. Jay unpack a little bit here. Tell me that. Tell me a story or two, an example of, of what that tangibly looks like online.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 16:09 Yeah, I mean, I think one of the hardest things with online overall is that it amplifies this amazing ability to connect with anybody on all sorts of stuff. We can, you know, like example, you know, Rey talking about like NBA, Twitter's amazing. Like you can just connect with people and all sorts of creative ways, but it also, you know, there's, there is this epidemic of loneliness that is very apparent and disconnection is happening now. You know, I, I definitely have my ideas. I know, I just saw something you shared not too long ago. Um, Jeff, I think you blogged about it, but from a report of, of what's happening with social media, um, I think it just magnifying things that already were there and come into the, to the surface. Um, and, and a lot of those conversations come around just I've just being wise with these things.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 16:56 Um, you know, so a lot of people are like get scared of technology, but it's the same thing with like, uh, you know, with a burger, you know, yeah, Burger's not like bad, but if you eat five of them a day, it's going to be bad. And it's like, that's the kind of the idea. Same thing with fire. Fire can either make you food or it can burn your face off kind of thing. Um, and so technology, there's, there's levels of it and I think with us, but we learned is that we kind of, we got this influx of people that wouldn't normally just go to a church. Um, and so, or they had disconnected from my church and they were just watching. And then they started to fill out response cards and engage in new ways. And for many of those people before they would ever actually show up to a physical church, they were really interested in the ideas that they could start a small group with their friends or in our, or engage with something online.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 17:44 And they could almost be kind of, there's two scenarios. There's one, people being kind of brought him back to life of what true community is, what true churches. And then there's another group of people that are being introduced to church for the very first time and we're kind of setting the standard. And so I think it's just, um, I think it was like kind of getting to the heart of it. And I... Really, what does it mean to be a follower of Jesus that ultimately it's not this, it's not this American large church type of thing. It's, it's, it's really church is, or you know, biblical Ecclesia is this idea of, of it's the people you're doing life with. So yeah, my church is huge. We might have 25,000 people, but like I have three other couples that I consider my church. And when I think about Saddleback, I don't really think about the large thing that happens every week.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 18:31 I'm thinking about the, the two, the two to three other couples and all their kids. That's the group of people. And actually I've been part of this, this small group between two churches now over the last 15 years. And, um, that's my church. I just think we have this abundance of freedom in America that makes gathering large, very easy. Um, and so it's in a lot of ways the small group stuff is really going back to early church, kind of for the first 300 years, how stuff function. And so, I mean, we, we've seen, we have stories of, of people, um, from everything from people in domestic issues that are married and they can't get out of a relationship and they engage within online group. And, um, we had one case that, that that woman that I'm talking about lived outside of the United States and I actually found somebody in a different scenario.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 19:18 I that live nearby and actually baptized her, um, in a, in a rec center. Um, and in another country, um, I couldn't share the story or the photo. I, I've seen it myself, but there was some security issues. Um, you know, so this person is not able to leave their scenario at this given moment, but they're able to engage online, be part of an online group for this season. And all of us, our prayers at that scenario changes. Um, but that's one way. Um, we, we have people that, you know, start, um, home groups in their area. We, we had a group of people in northern California that were all graduates from Berkeley and they um, you know, started reading purpose driven life and they googled and found us and they started a group in their home and um, really cool story where like they got up to, you know, they started meeting and it was like 20 people are meeting in their home every week and you know, I go up and visit them and baptize three people in a bathtub and it's like, you know, and, and the whole time as I'm engaging this, I want you guys to notice you hear that story.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 20:12 It's, it's amazing. But I'm somebody who first off got, I got led to Christ at a church under 500. I came to Saddleback and part of this, and I'm literally going, what in the world is God doing? Like, this is not like, this does not, like, this is not like I did not sit here and master plan this, you know, it, it speaks to our God. It speaks to my pastor and our church and I'm just showing up and, and I'm asking the question like, how do I like put this in a pill and reproduce it? You know what I mean? I'm like trying to ask that question constantly. Like when I, when I went up to that, that thing in northern California and I'm literally, I baptize three people in a bathtub. I'm literally the whole time I'm just like, what is happening? Like what is this?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 20:53 You know what I mean? Like I probably baptized at my old church, a probably, baptize a handful of people ever. And now I'm like in this small bath tub in San Francisco, like that, it's just like, and you're like, how, what is God doing online and where did this online to offline thing look like? Can we scale? It? Doesn't make sense. Um, and so some of it we understand more now. Some of it I still don't understand. And, um, so yeah, so it just that the, those are some stories that kind of stand out at the top, you know, and obviously those are the cap, like that's the best stories as I'm thinking about right now. Um, at the moment.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:26 So, yeah, there's a lot there. And you mentioned, uh, online, the offline and, and I really, I want to park there for a little bit because online to offline really to me, it, it revolutionized the idea of church online because I, I was, I was struggling with this vision of, um, online without biblical community online, without community at all, creating this idea of, of isolation. Um, you know, and we're seeing that that which you mentioned earlier, what I blogged is USA today and we talked about it I think in an earlier podcast. USA Today, a high school seniors at 13% more likely to identify themselves as lonely today than even five years ago in technologies. There's plenty of stats of what like, my gosh, like a high school seniors go on 32 dates, less 32 less dates a year. Then when they, when, when I was in high school interests, like maybe that's just good parenting finally kicking in, but more likely it is just like, you know, kids are not, they're not going out there, not being social. And so a lot of
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 22:31 reading Josh Harris is kissing, dating goodbye is
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 22:33 all good and that's not allowed to ask that. Why did you can't, it can't acknowledge that they do,
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 22:40 you know, you know what blew my mind was I was listening to something and obviously I, I haven't dated, you know, been married 10 years, but they said like young, younger people, and I'm again, I'm, I'm saying I'm, I'm, I am young but I have three kids and I'm, I'm out of that phase of life. But he said like young people now, they don't exchange phone numbers. They exchanged Instagram handles because they just block them on Instagram and you don't have to block them on a phone, which is really impossible. And I was like, my mind was like, oh, that makes total sense. But that's nuts. Like people were just exchanging instagram. Like the phone number is not being handed out. I'm like, I still give out my phone number all the time. Like that's, anyways, besides the point was
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:15 I said to a high school kid, I'll text you. And he's like, what? And I'm like, and he's like, Instagram. I was like, cool, I'll Instagram. That's a thing. Who Knew? That's holy, you know, if he would have said snapchat or would it be like, sorry, I'm no longer let life, I'm 40. If I'm on snapchat. It's weird. I'm just saying. Okay. Um, so, uh, but let's, let's hold back cause cause is important online to offline revolutionized because it's this idea of, well, um, you're the guy
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:46 who coined it, or at least you're the first person that I've heard said it. And so everybody I ever talked to you, I said, Jay Kranda has said it, so it's gotta be true. Why don't you unpack a little bit and tell us what online to offline is about?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 23:56 Yeah. I have no idea who coined it, but, um, I always think everything, everything that comes from my head practically comes from my pastor. So in inadvertently, cause he's just constantly spewing wisdom. So I'm, it's probably from him. Uh, I, yeah, so I think the idea was, you know, um, I've had this conversation with, with both of you guys, is that you? So I go to church with my family. So, so me, me and my family, we go to church, you know, we check in our kids, they have their own experience. There's all this stuff.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 24:27 And you know, that that's a really healthy experience. It's, it's, it's, it's probably the best experience of what Biblical church looks like because it's in person and you're doing life with people. And so when I started to kind of go into this role as online pastor, you know, I was somebody who, you know, like cared about my theology, cared about what I was both enabling and maybe not aware of what I was enabling. And I was just like, what am I, I have these people that are watching and I'm engaging them, but like, am I being a good steward of this thing that God has put me over at this season? And, and especially when you start reading, you know, in the Bible, specifically in the book of James, when you think about some of the judgment that God has for teachers and people in positions, um, you know, I started like it kind of early on.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 25:12 I would just think a lot about it. And at the time I was in seminary and I was at a more, uh, not traditional seminary but conservative seminary and I would ask questions to professors and none of them really understood what the world I was asking them. And, um, I started to really think about like, well, you know, I don't think everything can be done online meaning. I don't think we're at a place with the technology right now where, you know, somebody could watch online, engage online and like never leave their house. Like that's, I don't have like a surrogate type of ready player one type of theology at this moment. Some of it is because the technology isn't able and it's just not there. And so, but what I do feel comfortable in our model, and this is where it's really key, I might have personal beliefs that might differ a little bit from my church, mostly no, but I also am in a position where I have to, I have to echo what my leadership and my church is doing.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 26:06 So it's actually less about what I think it's about where my church is at on things because I'm representing them. And so I knew strongly that at the end of our funnel is that the way we do church is physical expression. Like that's what we're good at, that's what we're doing. And so we kind of just kind of started to work towards this idea, well what if we could reach people where they're at? And we kind of bring them to this offline experience where ultimately they're either at a campus, at another church or starting a small group of people in their home. And so, and what that practically looks like is usually it's allowing people to watch online. They take a next step and a individual would join an online group using zoom or Skype at some sort for a season and then after six months, eight months, they'll have some kind of communication around, hey, you've been in this online group for a bit.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 26:56 Um, have you thought about starting something in your home or going to this church experience? And we kind of, we kind of have this kind of, we kind of slowly turn up the heat, can kind of move them towards this best expression of online to offline. And many times somebody will be part of an online group for six to eight months and then they, they've kind of learned what an a group is and when they do something with their friends in their area, it becomes less boring. It's like, oh, this, this makes sense. And so we really lean heavy into that. I'm okay with people being kind of in seasons for different reasons if they're traveling or if they're sick. There's all sorts of reasons. But ultimately we do want to move people to this offline expression, which for us is one of our campuses. It might be an a local church or a might and, and, and the way that we kind of like my core community, it's people in homes all around the world that are kind of doing life together and we're trying to resource them as best as possible as like, oh, you are a functioning church and what does it look like to do that? And I say that as like very beta. Like there's things we're good at and that, and there's stuff we're still trying to figure out what does that actually look like
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:02 along those lines, you know, in that tool that you created alongside pushpay. And I know that Jeff can link to that in the show notes. Um, you talked about how you traveled places to baptize people in bathtubs and if trained online members from different continents to baptize fellow believers. Can you talk about what it's looked like to empower people, a leveraging some of the technology and you know, some of the ins and outs, goods and bads of that. How's it, how that's worked out for you?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 28:26 Yeah, I think so. One of the things that's um, especially at a large church, but I think every online ministry has experienced this is that you can have a huge impact by uploading content online. Like you just, you get a lot of eyeballs. One of the things we started to have a lot of conversations around is mmm, okay, how many people are actually getting like better indicating they're getting saved every week and then how many people are actually getting baptized. And so we might have, you know, hundreds of thousands of people will visit us in a given year. But you know, I don't have the exact number, but it was something like 20 people got baptized last year that we actually facilitated. A couple hundred thousand people turned into 20 or so baptisms. So you know that like that's great. Like I'm, I'm amazed. Trust me that number has gone up over the years intentionally from efforts.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 29:16 But like we started to have conversations of like a church is much more than just pushing content out. It's much more than just a chat room. It's much more than just our giving metrics. It's, there's these things and baptisms are one of those things that people in the early church were getting baptized. And so we started to have talks about like how do we actually scale that? And so I think early on when we were doing it, it was like I had asked questions like, are we, am I able to encourage somebody to baptize another person? Like do they have to be a pastor? You know, I, again, I had my own theology, but I'm also a pastor on staff at my church. So I got to make sure I aligned with what my church thinks. And so, um, and sometimes sometimes larger churches have different standards, not because it's, they're trying to be hard on the Bible, but because they're a model for other churches, so they have to be aware of that influence and so, and so just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 30:10 You should do it. The Bible's pretty free on this thing, but it's, it's sometimes you need to be careful. And I think early on we had to have conversations around like, what does it actually look like to do this? And so we just now, in the last year and a half, I feel like we've had this super openness now to be able to actually now go and say, okay, you know what, let's create a training. And so early on it was, I had like an audio training of our pastor talking through how to baptize somebody. And then I had an email signature. So in anybody would, um, want to be baptized and they couldn't travel to our campus and we weren't expecting to travel to their area. I would say, do you have another follower of Jesus that lives near you? We can train them, the baptize you. And they said, yes, we would send them this resource.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 30:55 Um, and then we would set up a three way call with the people and kind of talk about like, do you guys know what's going to happen? And then it would happen and then we would document it. Um, and so, um, we just did a thing, a couple, uh, you know, last week where we kind of went to our next stage of this where we created a training for our small group host, really for small group host small group members were how do you, how to baptize another believer and how to lead your small group through a private communion time. And it's going to be this standalone thing. But like that course that we just shot like a week and a half ago was an accumulation of like eight years of learnings of what both, how to do it and also what my church wanted me to do and where we're at.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 31:35 I couldn't do that training, um, you know, seven years ago. There's just no way. Um, and so, and I think we, you know, we figured it out, but I, in my head, I, my number one driver was how do we do more of that? And because the other thing is I had a lot of people always on waiting lists to be baptized and I couldn't travel everywhere. I just, as much as I would love to, it just, it didn't financially make sense for us to get on a plane and go everywhere. It maybe in the beginning it was like, oh yeah this is awesome. But then it became a problem as we had, you know, at one point I had 50 people on a waiting list all throughout the globe and I was like I don't even cause, cause the question is like okay, now I've got to vet all these people.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 32:15 I mean that's a lot of work. It's just there's again some problems or it's a good problem. But we really leaned into, okay you know what we need to encourage other people to baptize. And then this is where it kind of came full circle for us. Well if somebody can't get baptized right now, what they need to do is play the long game, start a small group, build a community, somebody comes to faith and they kind of build up a group of people. And I and I, and I think, I think that's where we kind of, oh, okay, this is how this
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:40 is all kind of, this is why, and this is why I was, I was mentioning earlier, we're talking about these home gatherings, encouraging these small groups to watch services together. And the idea is we want this to become a huddle. I'm term and we have only a couple of them, but I haven't been able to scale. I still have people on waiting lists and so, um, it's something I want to say that number, the baptism number keeps me up. It's something that I think about constantly. How do I do that more? Because that shows true discipleship. So she's not a viewer, so that's good. Yeah.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 33:06 We're going to be, we're going actually going to be interviewing Kevin Lee, who's I think the small groups pastor, uh, with Saddleback. And so we've got that, that podcast scheduled. I know he was excited to talk about that communion training and in, I hope you guys can just let the cat out of the bag, but I'm sure. No, no, no, no. More so more, more is coming down eight
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 33:26 he has a cool story. He was actually in Florida and you baptize somebody, he'll share that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 33:30 Oh cool. That's awesome. But you know, and there's, there's this idea of of now we're, we're expecting the online campus or the online church to, to start to, to generate things like it's not a, hey, let's just throw the broadcast out there and see what happens. It's, we're going to do this on the small level. But then something interesting happens. It grows, it scales quickly to where a person cannot handle it. And when I look at Church online, I actually see the church being the lid for what church online is. And Jay would, you just told us a great example of that. You're one guy traveling around the country, throw in Kevin Lee and now you're two guys traveling around the country.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 34:14 You got to list 50 people long that you're trying to baptize. You can't do it. And so as, as a result, this idea of And and Jay, you were one of these guys who were saying it early on, decentralizing the ministry, taking the power of Church Online, away from staff, and instead, empowering people doing that three way call empowering other people to baptize and empowering to do that. Like that's when, when church realizes that it's not about the pastors being the hero. And instead it's about empowering people, uh, lay people to be the hero and, and giving them the Holy Spirit gifts that God gave him the Holy Spirit, but utilizing the Holy Spirit, giving them the authority to do these things. All of a sudden the power of the church isn't self contained within that building or within what's on the stage. It's within the audience. And then, you know, I truly believe this. I think that's when American sees revival, not as a result of what our pastors are doing, but a results of our pastors saying, my success is not what happens, uh, out of result of my ministry. But when I empower others to do my ministry,
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 35:20 it's good. I mean, I was just reading yesterday, I'm actually a friend on staff mentioned this. And um, so, uh, I was, I wouldn't say Philomena, what's that? What's the book? And by a monk and there it is. I always want to say [inaudible] you haven't want to say filet I always to say for like, but
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 35:38 if you read in like we were just having this conversation and he was like, one of the first parts of that book is like a to the church in your house. If you read like the first couple of verses, you know, and it was like, and I really do think, and you've written about this on your blog a bunch, but it's, it's, it's really, it's thinking less about, if you think about online church as this American high expectation stage lights and all that, yeah, that's going to be hard to scale. But if you think more about the gatherings that were actually occurring early on, um, that's scalable. And, and a lot of people say that one of the things that hurt us the most in the history of the church was this corporate type of movement that happened in 300 AD when it like when Constantine kind of centralized it because it kind of fused with a lot of pagan stuff and it became this large thing.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 36:30 And we had to have many conversations. And even in America, one of the reasons why, you know, protestant stuff flourish was because it was this 31 flavors of, and it just grew rapidly. And the church, the, the, the assemblies of God, the, uh, the southern Baptist convention is the ones that grew the most were the ones that were more open with what it meant. Um, and so, you know, the end, there's pros and cons to that type of growth for sure. Um, but I, I think, I think, you know, and you've written about this, Jeff, is that it's just, I think there's going to be a lot more small churches that are going to leverage this long term because they're stuck. They're going to do, and this is what I love. Like you speaking at church planning conferences, stuff like that. I think that, you know, I'm actually more interested about that stuff about like, hey, who's going to like really take, is it going to be a network that's really going to figure this out?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 37:17 Because there's stuff that I do that just, I'm only doing because I'm trying to figure it out in my own church model and it makes sense, but it's not gonna make sense in your model. And so I get really excited about that and I know what's happening. It's going to happen. Um, I've already seen online church people who've done stuff like this and fail. I've seen plants fail. Um, but I, that's why I like the adoption of like a true planter. Like who's not trying to replicate, but like actually like, no, I'm planting physically. It's like the Perry noble thing. Like it's more of that. It's like, you know, he started doing stuff online, but even that, he started doing it online for the attention of physical. But I, I'm waiting for somebody who's going to start something online, do something physical, but also have the intention of also to be global. Um, you know, and, and that the apartment, that's not yet.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 38:07 It was, it was the joke. It was like Amazon had to buy whole foods because it wasn't enough to own the, the virtual hemisphere of ecommerce day. I'd actually do something, you know, in the physical space too. They had to shut down grocery stores. Um, but yet, let me like, cause there, there was, I spoke at this thing at exponential and uh, and it was, it was awesome. And I had this, this one pastor, I want to tell this story in a, and I'm still working with and we're trying to figure it out. Uh, but he grabs me. He couldn't, that I think I got a text message and middle of the night, hey, I need to talk with you before you leave. And like so I was leaving the next day. And so we got together and we ended up having like a face to face conversation behind the expo hall at like eight in the morning or something like that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 38:49 And here's his story. He's a, he's a pastor at a, at a thousand person campus, a large church in a, in New England is weekly attendance at New England is like 200, 250 people. No, this is him telling me the story. Numbers don't matter in this story as much as the heart. He tells me 98, 99.8% of New England is the unchurched. Uh, 98% of New England has said they will not go to church. And him having a thousand person building in New England doesn't make sense because there's no way for him to use that building. And he says, so a year ago I had this idea of utilizing church online to reach into homes, to reach people, but also to empower the people that are attending my church to do church in their homes because people are more likely to go to homes than they will to my building. And he's, this is what he says.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 39:47 He's like, I've been looking a year for somebody to help me with this. And then I sit in this lecture and you're speaking and you're describing the exact model. He's like, you have to help me with this. And so we've unpacked it and we're starting to work through this and it, and it's going to happen. But this guy is literally talking about selling off major chunks of his property. Wow. Because it's ineffective to do ministry and in New England, it here's all my gosh, yes. But here's the reality of it. Like the New England of today is America of tomorrow. The problem that these guys are having today isn't that much different than what other churches are going to be experiencing. And, and you know, unless you're in the Bible belt, but even the Bible belt suspect these days. And so like, I don't want to be a, uh, like a, a prophecy type guy, but it's, it's, it's coming in, in, in this, this way of, of shifting towards, let's not make ourselves the pastors the hero, but let's empower people to, to with their voice, to lead people to Christ, trained them on how to disciple a.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 40:53 And then all of a sudden now we've got disciples who are discipling other people to be disciples. Like that's the biblical model, the 300AD. I want to write a book on that. Like I've, I've done research into that and it's scary how that swayed the perception of what, um, organized religion is because the, the, the Roman government needed to control the church and the hold it back. So they set this structure up. I forget what it's called right now. It's just, I'm not thinking that, um, but the Nicene creed, but as a result of that, all of a sudden, like, we're still using the same structure, like 2000 year, 18, 1500 years later, the power of the church doesn't rely and pastors, and it doesn't rely in church. You realize in the people and the quicker and the church plants that are out there and the guys that are listening that are in the small churches.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 41:49 I am far more excited about you guys doing stuff in church online. And I've said that multiple times and I will for the foreseeable future because the understanding and the capacity of the, of creating a disciple is creating a disciple and kicking him out and, and moving them on. Um, you know, the average, the average church size in America right now, uh, is 78 people and I, and we're going to talk about this a lot down the road. That's 78 people. That's a small church. And the first time I heard that stat I looked at the pastor had told me and I was like, man, that's bad leadership. That's a bunch of like stupid churches that aren't getting it right. And, and he looked at me sideways and he's like, what if that's God's way of saying that's what our church sizes should be in it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 42:34 And I'm like, oh no, that's interesting. I'm an idiot. And he's like, what could you do with the 78 person church that you can't do with a, with a 4,000 person? And all of a sudden I just started going into, you know, discipleship training organization, people who are planting that. And it's like, and that's one of the reasons why I love this idea of online to offline and breaking it up in the, in the homes because now I've got smaller units and, and, and where we can do that, that detailed discipleship. Hey, here's a question Jay, like what in context of Saddleback, so you're doing these smaller units, she got some places around, um, like what's the end game when you sit down, when you talk with leadership, when they're looking at, at the structure of online, where's all this going?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 43:21 Yeah, I think, to be honest, I feel like that question is still, um, I, it's still being figured out. I think the, I think the hope is that we can be leaner in planting future campuses of our church. That we can have this kind of cross step of what does it mean to have these home gatherings and that, um, I, I know the conversation that has been happening has been, you know, we're moving into this phase as a kind of a society and American specific and in America specifically that, um, you know, it's no longer Christianity is this neutral or pro thing. It's, it's this, um, when we first planted our church, um, you know, before I was there before I was born really. And, um, now we're moving into this phase where like people would never come to your church. And the joke that the conversations that they'd been having here is, you know, the idea is that if you're Mormon friend would invite you to have his temple service.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 44:18 Would you ever go? And he's like, no. And, and the idea is it doesn't matter how relevant the teaching is. Doesn't matter how many lights and fog or whatever. Um, you would never go. Um, but what you would do is you would listen if you got a relationship with this person. And so the, the, the conversation has been leaning towards, you know, maybe the side doors of our churches are going to become more important than our Sunday morning services longterm. Um, kind of the way that other countries have already gone. And so, um, and we're just going to go there. Now. Does it have to be all doom and gloom? No. And you know, you know, the prayers, they won't go that way, but that's why these, this conversation of having some kind of online or some kind of home gathering things going to be potentially really important for churches of all sizes longterm and thinking about that 78 type of, of experience.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 45:11 But I think the big hope is that we can do the home gathering thing. Well, um, but that's where it does take. And this was one of the hardest things is, you know, I'm doing things in my bubble and I got to make sure that I'm interacting with the larger bubble like very well because it's really easy to kind of float off and be in my own sandbox. But it takes way more effort and more reward if I integrate. And you know, share what's working, what's not. Because to be honest, like I don't know anything about leading a church. I don't know anything about planting a church. That's not my expertise, you know? And so I need to have that conversation. I was just emailing today with somebody on our worship team, like, I have this idea, um, you know, tell me where am I wrong in my thinking because I don't know anything.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 45:57 Like I don't know what it would. And you know, they gave me some feedback and I was like, oh, that's good. And, and I, and I think this is where like, just because you have a lot of people watching percentage wise compared to your local campus doesn't mean like you're the resident expert. And I think if you come into it, it's very open handed and integrate because I think there's a lot of ministries, online ministries that are reaching a lot of people. But I think the deep discipleship is where the local churches just the expert at. And I think that's why we got to have more of those conversations. Like who's doing that? Well. Um, because one po, you know, getting eyeballs online is, is fairly easy. It's not like automatically easy. Sure. Um, but it's like scaling discipleship, that's a whole nother thing that only the local church can do.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 46:43 And that's where can you, so what is your look, what does your local church discipleship pathway look like for your online ministry? And that's where the hybrid that, that's why I think having somebody who's a pastor who kind of like knows that part of it is it's going to be so valuable. And, and, and I know a lot of online pastors think like that. I know they're doing stuff, but I think that's like, you know, like the, in that Rey mentioned it in that book that uh, that I did with Vanderbloemen pushpay. It was like out of all the churches, 90% of them are just streaming to Facebook and their church online platform. And then when you go down to like deeper stuff like membership and baptism, it's like in a very low percentile. So when people think of online church, they think Facebook streaming, they think pushing content.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 47:28 They're actually thinking of like deep church stuff. So that's where like people go like, well, church online is in church. Well, I would go, yeah, well yeah, because a lot of people are just pushing stuff out and they're not actually pastoring people. Um, now there are people doing that and that's where I'm in. A lot of that happened with Facebook. It's so easy to stream now that that's a great first step, but you can't stop there. You've got to keep pushing forward. You got to develop this out in the strategy and integrate and all that. Yeah.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 47:54 So guy out there listening to this broadcast, maybe you're new to a church online, may, maybe you've been been kicking it around and that's it. You're, you're, you're doing your Facebook feed, you're doing your job, you're doing your youtube, whatever it looks like and, and you're excited about the metrics and, and you know, somebody shared the video and you got a couple hundred more views and, and that's the win. Um, man, let's, let's challenge you a little bit here to take one more step and start to figure out how to create this biblical community towards that. Jay Kranda's Website. JayKranda.com. Got a ton of resources there. I'm just even, we didn't even talk about it here, but the Ekklesia blog that you wrote probably within the past couple of months, uh, was awesome. And I would, I texted Jay, I literally had like the same blog and it's like, well I'm going to trash it cause he just said it so I'll, I'll probably bring it back out in a, in a little bit, but it was Jaykranda.com is a great resource towards that. Uh, the church digital. Ah, man, we're writing a lot of stuff in that sweet spot as well. Uh, ebooks and we'll link to it in the show notes. All this is good.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 49:03 Um, what are, what are the resources are out there guys? What, what can we, how can we help people that are kinda interested in checking out this, a biblical community stuff online. But am I blanking on I,
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 49:15 you know, honestly I would say just if I was going to talk to that person who's thinking about it, I would say the first thing I would consider is if you have a database of some sort for your church. And I would consider running a report of how many people outside of a hour distance or in your system right now are like, and so just get an idea. So if you have, let's say you have, you know, 5,000 contacts in your system, how many of those have an address that's outside of an hour distance and then try to figure out how much of those people given in the last two years.
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 49:49 And I think that's a really good place to kind of start to kind of understand who's there and the maturity of those people. Because if you have people drive in from an hour away or somehow have engaged, um, I, I think you're going to start figuring out and how many people were actually, like, again, a lot of times our church church online is a very, it's an amazing local resource by just digging into your own metrics like that. I think when you start kind of flushing out like, Oh wow, we have some people watching from far and you'd, you'd be surprised where, you know, people watch online that give and you know, that that might be a good way just to kind of see the seeds of what's potentially, if you kind of addressed a little bit more and do it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 50:26 Yeah, we had a, we had a small group leader, um, a regular giver, uh, for, uh, with the online regular attender. Literally met every metric that we were trying to evaluate for a physical campus. And she lived in Atlanta. Uh, and so like there's, there's plenty of those stories, especially as you're more, one of the, one of my favorite stats to look at every Monday, uh, was the, uh, Google. Uh, but it was the locations field and starting to see where people were watching from. And, and then, you know, trying to figure out how to cluster them together. And I know Jay you're doing like some of those watch parties and, and uh, meetups I think is, is some of the things that you're doing in an attempt to try to cluster some of these people together. Um, and literally, man, I could talk about this all day, but I want to be faithful to time as we're wrestling through this. So, um, Rey, let's start with you up top man. Any, any closing thoughts or anything as we're wrapping up this episode?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 51:24 I really appreciate Jake just, you know, you are called and Kinda your pastors, uh, buying into this. You know, one of the first things I remember hearing from Rick Warren was every member a minister. And it's funny how you guys have carried that out online and I just think it's so beautiful and so thank you Man for your thoughts and your time.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 51:41 Jay. Any thoughts as we're landing the plane?
  
  
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  Jay Kranda: 51:47 Go Lebron James.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 52:40 And I can speak of this personally. Like, uh, there've been seasons in my life where I ran by myself out to accomplish a goal, uh, and I did not bring leadership with me. And then when I needed something from them, they didn't actually own the ministry like I did because I hadn't brought them into that process. So do that work with your leadership. Uh, let's go step by step with them through this. And don't be discouraged if you don't know the answers because I don't, honestly, I don't think that anybody does. We all see little peak pictures and pieces of things, but in the end, um, we're still trying to all figure this out together. So be encouraged by that. Check out some of these resources. Check out the show notes and a for Rey, for Jay, uh, and uh, other crazy people who like Lebron James playing basketball. Uh, this has been Jeff Reed with the church digital podcast. Appreciate y'all and we'll see you next time here online. Talk with you later.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to the church digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed. Thanks for joining us today. It's episode two. We've made it through episode one. Now we're on number two. Yes, we have made it. Life is good. Hey, so in the future we will have guests and, and different people from across church, online across the country. Kind of jumping on the podcast and sharing and dialoguing through this. But really what this episode, once again we wanted to bring in, Rey is our cohost Rey DeArmas Is in here, uh, from Christ fellowship Miami. Uh, he's the online pastor there and we really just wanted to dialogue a little bit more about us, let you get to know who we are and what we're about here. Uh, doing this church, digital podcasts. And so, hey Rey, man, you just want to tell him a little bit about yourself.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:46 It's so great to be back with you guys. I'm very excited. Uh, failures, what God is doing both with, with what we're doing here at church, online over at Christ fellowship, God has really opened doors and expanded in a lot of ways. Not just the type of people that were able to reach, but really even just to kind of community that we're able to create and the people that were able to engage. It's just fascinating how we're helping, uh, just bridge the gap between the physical and the digital space. And God has given us a lot of great things here. But on the personal side, I'm thrilled, you know, to tell you guys about my wife and my kids and got a wonderful wife, Lauren. We've got two beautiful girls and God has just blessed us with an overflowing ministry and we're glad to share a heart and whatever we can with you guys. And so glad to be here with Jeff and we have a lot of fun things to share with you today.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 01:43 Very good. I talked about my kids in episode one, so we'll just ignore that. And just keep it moving for what's next. And I'm sure no one, my kids, they're going to come up down the road, Hey, well I'm excited about this episode today. We're going to unpack some things. And so Rey and I were dialoguing, trying to figure out, hey, what do we want to talk about in this space? How best can we can encourage people out there that are, that are considering doing church online that are there may be starting to do church online. Um, maybe just trying to kick the tires and figure out what to go, where to go, how to do this thing. And so here's the topic that we wanted to come up with. So Rey and I sat down and we figured out six things that we wish pastors knew about church online.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:25 And so the goal here is we're talking through these, or maybe these are things that these are conversation starters that you can have with, with your, with your pastors at your church, your leadership teams. You know, whoever's kind of over that. Or, or maybe you are one of these guys and you're trying to figure out how to connect with an online audience that you're a pastor. You're trying to figure out how to engage more in that, in that field and so collectively between Rey and I we've got a lot of years of experience and in Church Ministry as well as on a digital side. And our takeaway from that are these items, six points that we wish pastors would know about church online and so I'll go ahead and read them and then Rey we can just dialogue and kind of work through it. Go for it. Number one, the people online are part of your church. The people online are part of your church. Hey Rey, you want, you want to tackle that?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 03:21 Yeah they are. First of all, yes they are. They are very much part of your church. You know in episode one Jeff talked about three different door environments to which people engage. He talked about the front door, which is Kinda like your first time guests and you're outsiders and people who are just looking in. He talked about the side door, which are your folks who attend on a regular basis, or maybe they consider your home, your church, their home church, and for whatever reason, the digital spaces where they engage when they can't be there physically in the room. And then there's the people that this is their only means of connecting now in all, in all three cases. Okay? They are your responsibility as a shepherd. Uh, and you know, just like the person who comes in as a first time guest in a physical environment, well, they may never come back. They're just an Easter or Christmas only person. Okay. But they're your responsibility. Okay. They are your responsibility both in that moment and even over the haul. You've got to do everything you can to engage you, engage them, and to get them engaged and your discipleship process. And so whether they're engaging your church purely online, whether they're attending once in a while and engaging the rest of the time online, or whether they're on the outside looking in, I'm telling you, they are under your care. They are part of your church. It's a big deal.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:30 Okay. Yeah. That, that's so good. You know, it was, it was fun. It was, was talking about this with a pastor recently and I was like, church online isn't fake news in any, and he looked at me and he's like, what? And I was like, Hey, like we don't sit around and make this up. Like, and so, you know, Rey. So if somebody, so let's, let's hone in here. Let's, let's break you down. Specific somebody out there right now as a person has a, has a pastor who doesn't know this, how can that person out there really convey, um, hey, we're still part of the church online as part of the church. What steps do they need to do? How do they approach that conversation
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:08 from, from what I've seen over time and, and you know, we've grown through this process here at Christ fellowship and Jeff, you are part of that because we asked a lot of these questions early on and we didn't know necessarily, we stumbled through a lot of these spaces. And so, you know, if you're a lead pastor and you're listening to this, you're like, well you guys, you know, I don't even know how you arrived at this thing. Just know that we struggled with all the same theological questions and with all the struggles and with all the love and heartache that you did as well. And what worked for us was just gathering stories. Um, just pure stories of not just people coming to know Christ, but people growing in Christ over time. Uh, people engaging in, serving people, engaging in, giving people, engaging in a lot of the same spiritual disciplines that we would ask them to engage in a physical space happening online.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 05:55 These are phenomenal things that we're doing it. And it's not just tools. These aren't just tools that we're developing. The tools are part of it. But really it's a means of a growing community and it growing spiritual community in which people are taking real, tangible, physical, spiritual steps. Now, they may not be in the room with you, but they are growing spiritually. And so you have to keep this in mind and Pastor if you're out there. And you're struggling with this. I just want to encourage you, okay? It's, it's okay to struggle with it, but you must ask some hard questions about what you're going to do for that individual that comes to know Christ by either listening to your podcast, by consuming your content and some kind of way by listening to your podcast, by watching your message, you've got to ask what's their next step? And if you already come up with step one, you're already giving them a discipleship pathway.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 06:41 Yeah, that's awesome. Hey, and it's important here to remember that analytics lie, and so we're going to talk about this a lot, but you know, I'm a pastor at a small church. I got 250 people that come and I got 2000 views on Facebook live. He reality of this guys, those Facebook live views are based on three seconds. A person's literally scrolling through the phone, watching that pop up in their newsfeed and they pause to sneeze. It keeps scrolling. That person is, is through here. I'm not saying that the person who sneezes while scrolling through Facebook live as part of your church. But it's, it's important to really hone in who the important people are, who are the people who are connected to your church are. And so, and, and by Rey, what Rey saying with the stories is so important, but the numbers like lie, they, they give the appearance that things are, are much grander and much bigger when really embrace the smallness of it, embrace the individualism of these people that are and, and solve their problems and to getting them plugged in, getting connected, getting them discipled, like solve it on the small level, create those systems so that it will grow with you as your ministry in a physical space as well as in the digital and the virtual space as they both grow together.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:08 And that interestingly segues very well into number two. What works in physical locations does not always work online. And so I'll take it into this one a little bit. And, and I, I have produced, uh, I've been, I've produced thousands of church services. I have been production director for four churches four years. I've been, we can experience director, creative director. And so like I've been danced all around this environment and I've seen it from, from many different angles. And what's important is, is that you have someone who stops and pauses and says, is this going to work in context of online? Yeah. So like I'm going to give you a, um, uh, just several examples of, hey, you know what, if, um, if the announcements that you're doing in the service are all aimed towards serving locally in your community, that doesn't mean much for the guy who's watching your service on the other side of the country does not take it even a step further.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:13 Now keeping that in mind, um, my heart breaks sometimes when I've seen massive churches. I mean characters with unlimited resources and then the content that they're putting out there online, the, uh, the way that they're showcasing their services, and mind you, that's on the content side, but then even on the community side, the fact that they're not resourcing it, well, the fact that they're not staffing it with volunteers or even putting any kind of effort or emphasis towards this, uh, it shows very little value for what's going on there. Now, I can't speak into what all those churches do and what's their aim, but I can't tell you that those people, uh, whether you value them or not, it's still being communicated across the board. And so, you know, if you've got a church online experience and in the room is just a phenomenal mix, but online, I mean, your audio's terrible. You're getting bad camera shots. Uh, the camera falls over and hits the floor and nobody picks it up for half the service. There's all sorts of things going on there. And so, yes, this scales very well. It doesn't take much to get up and running, but if you keep it that or if you continue to just do it on the cheap, uh, over time, you're going to get called out on it. And that's not necessarily something that's good.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:24 Yeah. And so it's, it's kind of doing it and you know, not on the cheap making the investments, you know, bill going with what works on the small and expanding and will we talk with David Urzi, uh, with Cape first and in a future episode and he really pours into this idea of start small, create systems that work on this small and then build off of that, build off the success of, of the small rather than going huge and trying to, um, you know, maintain off of that. And so allow your, uh, and, and honestly, and I've had this conversation before where it's like you allow the staff to grow your leadership to grow with you. Confession of my life. And I've talked about this actually on Jay Kranda's youtube channel in an interview with him about a year ago where I, I, I've ran, you know, and quickly I found myself literally at the end of the dock, a metaphysical doc getting ready to jump in the water and nobody's behind me because I hadn't brought the leadership team and other staff behind me.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:33 I carried the weight of everything on my shoulders and then turned around and nobody understood the basics. And so allowing it to scale effectively is very important in context of, of online. And so man, Rey, hey, thanks for sharing that one. Let's get into number four. Number four, church online does not replace meeting in physical locations. Church online does not replace meeting in, in physical locations. So, and so let me breathe on this a little bit and then, and then I'll hand it over. Now there are listen in and somebody is going to be like bored about that. That virtual church, uh, Vr church that I saw on wired magazine. Okay, look, here's an and, and we're gonna hopefully get DJ Soto. I've on this podcast. Uh, I've, you know, had lots of conversations with them. And so there are exceptions to this and I know people who are trying to create digital church in, in, in context of exclusively online, not going to lie.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 16:36 Um, I've thought about it myself, uh, but at the end of the day, and we see this a lot, like, and this has been a, it was actually in a USA today article. Uh, you can check out the church that digital, we'll link to it in the, in the show notes, but I blogged on this, that students are lonelier today than five years ago. Sorry, something like s, uh, s I think it was seniors high school seniors reported 13% more high school students. Seniors reported being lonely now than even like five years ago. Yeah. And a lot of it equated down to this idea of social media. They're, they're engaging people, but they're not relationally connecting with them. And so the one thing that I really want to hone in on and while the point of putting on my blog was like, hey church online, this is why we shouldn't do church on it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:27 This is what people have have said. People are lonely, technology isn't physical community like, and I would actually say no, that's why you do church online. That's right. Age with people and pull them into physical community. The end game of church online is not to be a self contained ecosystem. Uh, and, and Vr church. And what I know of Dj Soto, he believes the same thing. You know, and we'll talk about this idea of online to offline where the message that we hear online impacts our offline world. If the only place where I wear my Christian hat, okay, I don't have a Christian hat, but if I did have a Christian hat, it's the only place that I wore that was in virtual environments. If the, my friends who knew me in real life didn't know me as a Christian, that doesn't make me a very good Christian does it?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 18:16 And so it's and so it's, it's living it not only in the, in the virtual world cause the same thing he said virtually as it is in the physical. And so church online does not replace the physical world. It's, it's not that what a, what I believe it is. It's meant to compliment it and to help it help the physical and the virtual. And so we're going to be talking a lot. Hey and Rey do you want to just like give like a 30 second overview Omni channel cause you're so good to know you're passionate about that.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:46 You know when folks talk to me about this, I always give the personal story of the fact that my wife and I were long distance in our relationship for about a year, year and a half while we were dating. And you know this is like the introduction of facetime, right? And so we had the benefit of that. We don't have to do letters, we didn't have to be there on the phone. We are able to engage face to face. But if you were to ask me, hey, which is better, my wife next to me in the room or at the time, my girlfriend next to me in the room or having her via facetime, I would tell you I would, I would throw my computer out the window every day of the week if you would tell me that I could have her here in the room with me. There is no question about it.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:18 And so the reality is it because that was our primary means, the only way that we could meet on a regular basis, face to face. We took advantage of the technology that was given to us at the time and so we used it for everything that it was worth. Now in the same way a technology is great. Technology can, you know, can allow for you know, community and for relationship to take place. It's, it's a great platform. However it, we're still physical beings, we're still tangible beings. We need to be around in the physical presence of other people and we can't sacrifice that. We can't say the church online is going to go ahead and take over for that for folks. No, no, no, no. We still believe in scripture where it says that we should not forsake the gathering together of the saints. And sure at Church online is a medium for that but it's not a replacement for physical spaces for that. And so for folks out there who are expecting us to say the opposite, you know, uh, no we don't believe that either. You know, we believe that this is a way to take, to transfer people into community and, and we've seen that happen over and over again online.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:20 That's awesome. Well said. So, um, let's roll to number five because we are hammering these things through and I want to spend some time on this one cause this is, this is right here. Um, effective churn number five. If you're keeping score at home, effective church online is more than just content effective church online is more than just content. Let me say this one thing and then Rey, I'm going to give it to you cause I know Rey is like the content God. There is a difference. A pastor, there's a difference church online person between digital communications and call it digital mission called digital discipleship. Digital Communications is essentially marketing and communicating a message to a group of people. A digital mission. Digital discipleship is utilizing technology to look at the world, to a digital mission field lens to the end of where you want to disciple them.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:19 Hmm. And so if you as a church believed that discipleship cannot happen virtually, it can only happen within a physical space. Uh, your church campus, an office, a home. If you can only do discipleship there, then what you're really wanting to do is, is digital communication. But if you're, if you're interested in taking a step further and you want to impact and change lives virtually, not just within the physical realm, then you need to also not only look at it as digital communication, but look at ways that you can disciple and help people grow deeper in their faith. That's right. In the virtual realm. So Rey, you want to dig into some of that? Yeah. You know, for so long, um,
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 23:00 And meanwhile everybody else is a consumer. Everybody else in the room, as a consumer of watching one person enact their spiritual gift and so effective church online and an effective church ministry in general isn't just, hey, we're going to watch content. You've got to give people handles. Okay, it's got to be teaching and content that leads somewhere that gives them an action step that challenges them to take it to that next level. And then you have to provide a discipleship pathway through which people can experience community, grow in relationship with others, take part in spiritual disciplines. That can happen both in social media and in person. So if you're thinking, oh, that's just church online where that happens, no, that's not true. Even in our physical church spaces, we can be great about content distribution, but terrible about effective discipleship if we're not careful.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:47 So true that that was golden. Thank you for that. That was Ed Stetsor. We'll find it in the show notes. I'll try to link to it. I know I've heard him say that several times in messages. Uh, um, I'm willing to bet he's got it in writing somewhere. I don't know if he pulled it from a book, so, but yeah, we'll, we'll dig into that and we'll link to it in the show notes. And so it's, it's, you have to be very careful if all we're doing is creating content and sometimes, honestly, like we may, we may think we're doing more than we are. Maybe we need to just stop and analyze with what we're doing is actually what we mean to do, what we set out to do. But I, I would say this like church online and we will, we'll just talk about this later as well.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:26 Church online is a mirror, uh, for the, for the physical church. And so if you're, if you're angry and you're frustrated with your church online, that all it's doing is just generating content. Um, maybe pause and look and see was that happening at the, at our physical church? Is that happening? And we just haven't, um, or because what happens online drips from the physical and sometimes the, um, the, the actual church online is just mirroring the, the values that you, that you're showing intentionally or even sometimes unintentionally. So pastor that's out there, pause, look if evaluate, maybe ask around, get input from other people that, that are outside. And because the, the end game of our, of our church biblically is to go and make disciples and, and yes, you know, content is a way to do it. Uh, but if content, you know, is, is not the end church online is not the end.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:27 It's the means to creating a discipleship model in place. So pastors be able to be aware of that. So let's, let's land the plane here. Number six, church online is a reflection of our church strategy. Well, it kind of let the cat out of the bag there. A church online is a reflection of our church strategy. A little bit there about talking about the mirror, but, but that does, that does hone in true that you cannot do something, um, separate from the church. We've seen this time and time again, we'll bring these guys on the podcast to really unpack it and break it down. But what, what happens when you do that is, is the, you, uh, you create two different hemispheres and they don't talk to each other and there is self implosion. It's, it's inevitable that that will happen. And so utilizing your church online to create a unified structure from your campus, from your church is vital. Rey, you want to unpack some of this?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:27 Yeah. It's just so important, you know. Um, now, now we're going on over like 20 years since our former executive pastor released his book simple church, right? Like it's been, it's been a good while at this point. Um, Ma, maybe not quite 20 just yet, but, but it's one of those things where, you know, we need effective an effective church strategy in order to make disciples. And it has to be clear, it has to be concise and it has to be something that even makes sense doing in digital spaces as well because so many people are engaging in your church and not just in a physical space but also in a digital space. And so you need to be sure and have flexible options for them because so many people are living in two environments. Anyways. Uh, here, uh, where I'm at in my context, Miami's a very transient city and so people are in and out of town all the time.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:15 In fact, even though they call Miami home, the reality is is they may do life between two or three different cities just in a given week or in a given month. And more and more because our world is getting smaller thanks to advance travel, uh, thanks to advancements in communication and even in energy in every other area that we're seeing in tech. Um, right now people are able to live in multiple physical spaces, but they still want to engage in that same spiritual space. They still want to have their same church home. And so whatever effective strategy you're utilizing a at your church in a physical space, you need to make sure and have a plan as to how it's going to reflect in your digital space as well. Because Church online, it is a reflection of your church strategy. Uh, you know, we, we talk a lot around here and a Christ fellowship about if we reach Miami and we really have the capability of reaching the world because so many people are from so many different spaces, but Miami is not the only unique space like this anymore. New York, La, Chicago, all these cities are becoming these great hubs of international communication and even not far from us, Orlando, where Mickey Mouse calls his home. It's more and more becoming this international melting pot where people from different countries are coming together and they're calling it their home community, but they don't just stay in Orlando. They go about and around. And so for churches over there, it's becoming crucial for them to have a reflective strategy for church online that also reflects what they doing, their physical spaces.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:54 Yes, yes, they are. So in Eric is a, I'm working details right now, uh, with, uh, Eric joined in the podcast, so he'll be on at some point. Uh, he wrote up a followup on the Omni channel that was very good. And so I'm looking forward, uh, to Heaven, heaven reign him on to, to unpack that even more so, and to help us apply it to our churches today. Uh, but it's, it's a, it's not an either or. It's an and, and so I think that's, that's really the, uh, where this is going to land. Like it's not, uh, online church or physical church. It's a both in the organization who can interweave themselves, um, to the point where it's the same, whether it's virtual or physical man, those organizations are going to win. Uh, and those are the ones that are going to be, uh, ready for what the future holds as, as God continues to unravel and show this digital mission field that's open for us in the future and so be, be ready, be flexible.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:57 Remember, it's not just creating content and having our content available online. It's creating a discipleship system so that you're utilizing online to impact lives to help people grow deeper in their faith, regardless of where they're located, whether that's next door to your church or whether that's on, in another hemisphere. At the end of the day, we are as, as the church are called to create disciples of these people. And, and rather than saying, that's not my responsibility, church, it's time to pick it up and to utilize technology in this tool to just reach out. You know, it's in, it's funny, like I was talking in this conversation, I want to, when a close on this the other day, or at closing this today, but had this conversation with a pastor in and just made the statement, could you imagine what, what Billy Graham would do with the Internet? Oh my gosh. Yeah. And he's like, could you imagine what Paul would do with the Internet?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 30:53 And, and, and it's like, Eh, and, and suddenly it's, it's my, my joke, uh, you know, in passing was yeah, but, but we do fortnight. I mean, come on, come on. We got, we got gaming. There's always like yelling at each other on Facebook. Like we've got the power to do so much with it. Absolutely. And instead, we're, we're, we're, we're squandering it on things that aren't, aren't kingdom impacted. So, Hey, pastor, chop that up as number seven, and we're going to close with that. Uh, the power of the Internet, uh, for the kingdom is ready and ripe and ready to go. It's just a matter of catching that vision and, and running with it. Hey, um, we're going to close up the podcast right here. Uh, hey, church leader, church, volunteer church staff person who's out there fighting this battle. Um, continue fighting, uh, testimony on my side.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:47 There's been seasons in my life where I felt so isolated and alone because nobody out there saw what I saw. Nobody saw purpose and vision behind this. And literally I felt like I was alone. I felt like it was weird. I was weird. And it felt like I was wrong because nobody else saw it. And so I want to take a moment here and just encourage you. You're not alone. You're not, well, you may be weird, but as in this context, you're not weird. Um, and, and, and you're not wrong. It's, it's helping getting leadership, getting people to see, to understand the vitalness of this. And we hear what the church digital, we want to help create a resources to encourage, to inspire, um, and, and to, to help you have these conversations. So check out the website, thechurch.digital, thechurch.digital For more of that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 32:42 Uh, and you can find this on social media. Rey is a, where are you on social media radio? I Miss Ruy, uh, for Rey r. E. Y. D. E. A. R. M. A. S. You can catch me on almost every social media platform come talk. Awesome. And I'm deerffej, uh, as in like Jeff Reed backwards and that's weird. So you may want to check the show notes to get that, but you can find either one of us, uh, there. And Man, we would love to dialogue. Uh, we'd love to share with you, and more than that, like we just want to hear your story. So hit us up and let's talk it through. Uh, but for Rey, uh, my name is Jeff and it has been a pleasure to be with you guys here on the church digital podcast. And we will see what the next episode a featuring Jay Kranda from Saddleback, which is going to be awesome. So see you guys then.
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  Jeff Reed: So much of church online is, is all about that week in there. It's all about that broadcast. But there's really so much more that comes in context to it. And so what I wanted to talk about, and this may be a new term for some of you that are out there listening or watching, is, is this idea of a discipleship pathway. And so in context of, of, of Church discipleship pathway is, is basically, it's everything that happens except Sunday or Sunday is, is the first step of, of what happens. And so, you know, let's say somebody gets saved, uh, watching, watching your service, uh, online, what happens now in a physical environment, a lot of time we, we have that plan already placed where there's, okay, well if somebody gets saved, we do this and we connected to this person and they joined this small group or, or this thing.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: And there's, there's intentionality towards that. But a lot of times when that happens in an online space, it's just the, it gets crickets. There's really no, um, plan for that or we haven't, we haven't thought about that. And so I really wanted to take this conversation to just learn from these two guys here, uh, Jason and, and Rey and start to unpack, hey, why are, why are we not paying attention this or what can we do to start to leverage some of that? And so Jason, man, start the conversation for us. Like, um, what does the discipleship pathway, what does that look like there?
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Okay. Um, we are just to, just to be completely transparent, um, we are in the middle of a year long transition right now of upgrading and updating our discipleship pathway. And we're on the tail end of a, a campaign or a journey whenever you want to call it church wide. It's using the believe material. Um, our new lead teaching pastor Randy Frazy wrote the book and basically it's a data driven, um, results based form of knowing what key beliefs, practices and virtues actually move the needle in someone's spiritual life. And it was data that was pulled from Gallup and all these other guys and they figured out, okay, if we could distill down into a framework of what discipleship actually is to begin with, um, then we can actually start to work on it. So we're actually in the middle of right now taking our church through that. We've gone through the 10 beliefs, the 10 practices, and this Sunday we started on our first of the 10 virtues, which was love.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: And what ends up happening is that it's the 10 virtues are basically the fruit of the spirit with humility and hope thrown in. Um, and so when it comes to the virtues, that's what people tend to, um, that's what they experience with a person. Um, because like Jesus said, from your fruits, you will know them. And so in that sense, when people see your virtues, they may not know what your beliefs are or they may or may not know what your practices are, but they can definitely sniff out your virtues fairly quickly. And so what we've done is, is we've kind of done it reverse foundation layer by layer saying, okay, if these are your virtues, what are the practices that one would do so that that becomes who you are and then what are the beliefs that underlie those particular practices that cause you to act the way you do.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: And so basically that's what we're doing. We're, we're unpacking the whole thing. It's not a short process. It's 30 weeks we've taken, you know, by the time we're done this May, it will be pretty much a year that we've taken our folks through this process. When we're finished with introducing people with the framework, um, then we'll be able to say, okay, we've got an assessment prepared for them so that they can take it and then find out, okay, what am I weak in my beliefs, practices and virtues and what then would be the thing that I could work on going forward as I want to grow in my spiritual walk. So that is the update to what we've done. Now what that whole framework does is it really concentrates hard on one's character.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Yeah, there is so much right there. I want to back up because I don't want it this to get, get lost. Your entire church is, is going through this strategy right now, not just physical, online, virtual. Everybody is going through
  
  
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  Jason Morris: everybody and not just the adults either the kids are doing it, they're memorizing verses for each of the beliefs, practices and virtues. There are declarations for each of them and there's 30 of them. Holy Cow. Um, and our small group material is on it or student ministry is doing it. Kids Ministry is doing it. Um, family devotionals, the whole thing. And we kind of flipped the classroom in that, um, people are reading the chapters of the book to introduce themselves to that particular key, um, practice or virtue or belief before they hit Sunday. And then Sunday's kind of like the Cherry on top because we've read it, we've talked about it in group together and then we hear about it on the weekend.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: Okay. Jason, this sounds very similar to what I've been a part of with purchase before. It's this kind of like a campaign strategy where it's like, hey, everybody across the board is taking a pause from what you're doing and we're all going to do this together.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Yes, that's exactly what's going on. It is a campaign strategy and it is a campaign that churches can use and purchase and that sort of thing. Fortunately for us, Randy, he's the author, so he developed it and our next steps pastor helped, uh, Randy develop it many, many years ago. So with those two guys on board, on staff, of course it's like, yeah, let's do this, you know, totally know what's going on. Let's do this campaign. But it's available for any church to use.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: So tell me about how that's impacting some of your digital environments. Because I I'm familiar with and especially some of the, some of the folks who might be listening, like if you've ever done purpose driven life or purpose driven church, that was kind of a campaign strategy that many of us did like back in the day that like, hey, everybody's on pause. Back then I was a student guy. And so students will not like this is how it impacts us. Um, and so what I want, I'm curious to see as to how the campaign strategy has impacted. Did your digital environments as far as that's concerned?
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Well our digital environments are designed to synergize with what we're doing onsite because in, in my mind, uh, online and onsite should not be separate. They uh, synergize with each other, like onsite helps online, online helps onsite. So when we're doing our online life groups, they're doing belief stuff and the weekends are all belief stuff. So for us it was a no brainer. We're not going to reinvent the wheel here. We're going to do what everybody else is doing. Um, and yeah, so it for us it was, it was actually pretty easy. Now again trying to convince everybody, cause I know how those campaigns work cause I've done them and I actually helped facilitate a 40 days of purpose in South America way back in the day. And I know the angst that many ministries feel whenever they're doing a campaign, when the whole church begins to align is that everybody has to lay aside their own little pet things that they want to do, um, for six weeks. Well, this one, the cool thing
  
  
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  Jason Morris: about it is, is that we laid aside everything for an entire year and what it's done for us is that in six weeks you said you gained a lot of synergy and momentum and then everything goes back to normal because you know that you can like take a pause. For us, this was a whole lot more than a pause. This was, uh, uh, reset for the entire church to all of us knew into align ourselves well and to get our systems to align well. So we do that over the course of a year. You Begin to create ministry habits that force alignment in ways that even in six weeks you can still do and get the benefit of, but you just get so much more out of it from a system standpoint as a church when you do a church wide over the course of a year. Does that make sense?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: Absolutely. And I think for some folks, this probably may sound nuts to them, but to me it's kind of framing in terms of in content, you know, done for an entire year and giving direction. Yeah.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Just imagine what your worship arts people could do if they knew six months ahead of time what the sermon was going to be about.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: Exactly. It them a lot more time to free
  
  
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  Jason Morris: up to spend time on the actual ministry to people as opposed to, well, we got to develop content week to week stuff. It, it, it can be very free. And, and then for digital environments, especially for promotion and kind of leading up to it, you're almost, you know, I'm even thinking of like the online service, you're able to say, hey, next week we're going to talk about this. It's almost like, you know, in the next time you join us, we already know where we're going and we can even give you a hint as to where we're going. Kind of bridging the gap between the two. Exactly. Yeah, and you know what's great about it is if you have a plan like this for an entire year, then you're absolutely right. It helps to create new ministry ruts for people that instead of, uh, being a slave to Sunday, because it's always coming and always being about that weekend and the production of the weekend when a lot of that stuff is already done, then you actually can focus on what's actually more important and that's what's not really happening on Sunday. But what's happening throughout the week when it comes to one on one relationships and the real discipleship that takes place outside of the Sunday service and goods. I think it's been really helpful.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: I'm, I'm confused. There's stuff that happens at church outside of the Sunday service.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Sure.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Just turn the entire like thing on its ear that, that's incredible. Like I kid. So let me ask this question cause cause I was incredibly rude. So this rolls for 12 months, right? So what happens in the, in the 13th month because you've got people that are probably coming in in that 11th month and the 12th month they're catching the end of it. Uh, this, this recycled. Do you do it again? Do you launch it at times? Like how does this disbelieve ideology once you get past the initial onboarding of your entire church, how, how does, how does it live on beyond that?
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Well, um, it will always live on as like a small group curriculum as part of the way for us to, with new folks, introduce them to the discipleship framework as it relates to their character. And so that will always be available for them. We also have as part of our, um, you know, the APP that we're working on with the assessment and the discipleship pathways uses that framework as well. All of the messages that we will preach, you know, cause I've, you know, talked with the, you know, they're our teaching team and they've got a cycle already mapped out, passed in like month 13, 14, where they talk about, okay, we're going to be talking about the virtue of joy this week. You know, and so they will be referencing this underlying framework,
  
  
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  Jason Morris: you know, for the foreseeable future. And so even if there, even if the sermon topic is a little bit different, you know, you've got 30 things to talk about. No, that's enough talk about and their foundational types of things, whether you're talking about beliefs like, um, I believe in a personal God that he cares about and is interested in my daily life or another big one is the authority of scripture. I believe that the Bible is God's inspired word and is relevant to run my daily life. I mean, you get those two things together. Holy Cow. You know, you're already those. Perfect stuff right there. Yeah, you could, you can call it whatever you want to call it. We're going to be doing at the movies series right after we finish off believe. But I'm telling Ya a lot of the, a lot of the topics, even though we're talking about like Black Panther or whatever, we're actually going to be referencing a lot of these core beliefs, practices and virtue when we're talking about, you know, whatever movie that we happen to be talking about.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Well, okay. So did, did your pastor of freak out when you told them, hey listen, I got the great idea to take this online or was this his driving force? Was he like, no man loved it. Byron, what are the reason why Randy? Uh, part of the reason why Randy came to west side is cause he loved what we were doing online. That's great because he was like, dude, you know, you guys are rockin it. He's cause he was used to what was going on with Oak Hills and he was like, dude, you know, we've got an online pastor. People who actually, you know, care and talk to people who are showing up online that you follow up and discipleship, you know, he was like, and then micro citing with it and stuff. I mean he's been pushing me and it's been really, really great because he has such a social media presence anyway. It's really been a lot of our efforts anyhow, which is so great when you have the leader who's digitally minded and social media minded to begin with and knows how to leverage it and uses it, you know, to get the message out. So it's been a delight to work with them.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Well, and, and Randy maybe, I mean, just even looking at his pedigree, innocent experiences coming through, he may be one of those, um, you know, cutting edge guys who has a, as a richer picture of that, just through a of where he's come from an an he sees the benefit of that and, and even working on their, um, you know, he was XP under Lucado for, I don't know how many years down in San Antonio. And so like the majority of the pastors out there, let's, let's just, you know, bring it back to maybe reality. For the majority of those listening, they don't have that guy. Um, they don't have it. They don't have a 12 month plan. They don't have, um, you know, their, their week to week. They're trying to, to, to build something or design something out. And so we're, let's, let's, so maybe let's, let's reflect, reflect back a little bit.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Like I've had a conversation with the pastor. I'm a guy and I've told this story probably on this podcast, but a guy gets saved in Finland. I'm watching a church online service. And so I tell this story a lot, hey pastor, you're putting your services on Facebook. Let's say somebody gets saved in Finland. We're, we're not called to drive by evangelism. We should actually care for the soul that God's entrusted to us. What should we do, you know, in, in the pastor. And I tell the story now, I've had it multiple times. I've had a pastor tell me that guy in. Finland's not my responsibility. Yes, he came to Christ listening to my message. But he's, yeah, sorry, I'm not saying who, but I've had that response multiple times. So like let's, let's hone in on that because those people are out there and they, they do need and our listeners are online ministry. People are online. Pastors need to address that and work through that. So like what are some takeaways? What are some things that you guys are in the front lines of, of, of ministry here. Like what's a, what's a, what's a baby step? What's the next step for somebody like that? Who needs to set up some sort of a discipleship process but maybe isn't clearly defined on what that even is in the physical church. Much less for the virtual.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: Well, let me, let me, let me kind of interview Jason A. Little bit on this. All right, Jason. So within your, within your process, um, somebody gets outside of your context, um, what, what's the process that you guys typically do for this person? What's their next step? What do they do well here?
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Here's where I think, um, it's super helpful for churches because they can easily think, oh, with the billions of people that are on the Internet, how do I structure a system that will scale to do a lot of volume? And the truth of matter is for most of us, especially with the ratios that we do with online, the number of people that actually respond or do baby steps. So when I call baby steps of obedience, where it be, you know, clicking on a link or raising their hand for salvation or whatever, the number of those is usually way more manageable than what we're thinking.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: So we're thinking, you know, okay, how do I, how do I deal with thousands of people will do, just deal with the one person who responded, you know, that means that they're on Facebook and they came to Christ. In my mind, I would be like, forget about the system. If the person were like right smack in front of you, what would you do? Do that, you know, just use Facebook, you know, DM the guy and start the relationship and a personal human way. Because the truth of the matter is, a lot of times I think people, they look at the big numbers of online, the vanity metrics, and then they think, oh, if I had a church of 40,000 how would I structure my church? And then they get overwhelmed when the reality is those vanity metrics are so wildly inflated that usually when you're dealing with people actually obey it's way more manageable.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: So you're talking about the one guy in Finland? well, dude, it's just one dude. You know, and not to mention the fact that I do feel that I would be responsible for that guy. And the reason why is because Jesus brought that guy to me snow. It's like it would be a lot like Philip going to the dude who was, you know, yeah, the Ethiopian Eunuch and he's like, oh well you know, he's outside of Jerusalem so I don't have to worry about him. Well No, no. The spirit brought him there for a reason. And so if Jesus is bringing you to Finland for a reason, you had better execute. Dude. That's how I see it. Cause we're going to give an account for that. You can make a phone call and you can, if they're contacting on whatsapp and make it as human as possible and then only create a system as volume warrants and you'll probably find that you don't need much of a system and you probably would over engineered anyway and just just, just be a human being, be a pastor, do your job, you know? And then if the volume gets high enough, you will probably figure out the system because you'll notice patterns as you do ministry rather than trying to engineer those patterns ahead of time and then of crickets and having nobody show up. Ask me how I know that.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: That's good. That's good. And you know, it's great that you mentioned this case and I think so often we get so caught up in the vanity matrix like you said. But the reality is is we're accountable for each and every person that God brings to us. And you know, Pastors are so quick to talk about that in terms of evangelism. But as we think through these next steps for online, we do kind of get in our own way. Um, in terms of how we would take somebody through that next step. Um, what we would do for that person and especially since there's so many free and available resources, um, that maybe even some of which that we're creating right out of the bat. Like maybe there's a resource at your church already makes that you're like, hey, this is a great thing for you to have. Here's like a good first step for you to have. You guys have something like that and you're like, man, this is like outside of maybe you want to download the youversion app on your phone. So you got a Bible. Something that I, I would email you like right off the bat here.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: So I think a lot of times, even in the way that we think about it, where the process, the discipleship process, which started conversion, the way that we think about it starts way before then. Discipleship starts before conversion. So if people are showing up and they're like listening and they're, they're actually, you know, paying attention, that's like the Zacchaeus and the tree B, you know, what you need to do is go over to his house for dinner. You know, and part of that, all of that is part of the discipleship process before he believed. So when you unpack the pathway for us, it starts with the get connected orientation. And inside the get connected orientation, we do talk about salvation. We do talk about baptism, we do talk about all of the resources that we have so that you can find your character and your calling and find out the unique way that God has wired you and has you alive so that you can make a dent in the universe before you die.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: So that's basically what we do. We throw all that out there and say, okay, here's the tools that we have at your disposal. And we even have like shape coaches. I don't know if you're familiar with like a purpose driven. So, um, we have a shape server that, that we developed that helps people as it relates to their calling side. Um, and you know, shape.westsidefamilychurch.com. So they're there digital tools that we use, whether you're onsite or online and since we're digitizing everything anyway, just so that it can scale well with our people that are onsite, well then that's a slam dunk when it comes to online ministry. But that's, that's what I would do it from our context is just puts you right into the slip stream of what we already have as a church on site. And that way it really helps to have one unified strategy across the church. And a couple of things happen when you synergize that way. One is, um, with your staff. Many times, uh, online pastors really struggle with having the onsite staff get a vision for what's really going on. But when that online admin staff has to do to follow up for that guy that's in Finland, he will immediately get a global mindset.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: If, because we already had a system where we had, you know, deacons that would call up, people who own a connect card would say, you know, I just accepted Jesus. I'd like some followup where they call them up on the phone. Well, dude, that's easy. You know, somebody from Finland just accepts Jesus. Well, I just throw them in that same system and the deacon calls him up because he's calling them up and Finland, whatever, it doesn't even matter. Right? And now that Deacon, he has a completely different mindset of what online ministry can do. So that really helps sell for our staff team what online ministry can do. And the other thing that happened was it was as I started developing digital tools to help get this job done, a lot of our folks who then were burdened with all of this followup in a global fashion.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: They came to me and said, hey, well what do you, what would you do? And I'm like, well, I'd, I'd shoot him this email or whatever and they'd be like, dude, we should do this for all of our stuff on site. I have to keep it scales and so what happens is we just created a unified discipleship model. Whether you're online or onsite, it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day for most admin people when it comes down to follow up, they're calling somebody or they're sending them an email. Yup. You can do that wherever you are in the world, it really doesn't matter.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: You're exactly right in terms of people need to stop viewing the two audiences as separate. They need to start seeing them this together, which is kind of been a theme that Jeff and I've been running with this time, is a lot of folks want to separate as if they're, they're serving two different churches when the reality is it's the same church, right. You know, everywhere. It doesn't matter if, if they're, if they're watching you digitally, if they're, if they're sitting in a pew, they're obtaining the same content, they're going through the same pathway and you're going to love them just the same.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Right? Yeah. And not only that, but I think especially as we're noticing as pastors how attendance patterns have been shifting where, uh, they're not coming every week anymore. Right. We're lucky if they're coming twice a month, but what they're also doing, while they may not be on site every week, they're supplementing with online. So church attendance, and you know, Dave Adamson, I love his quote when he says this church attendance is not declining. It's decentralizing. So when you look at everything as one church anyway, chances are you're going to be finding that you're dealing with people that are onsite and online and they're probably the same people anyhow.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Um, yeah, like that's beautiful. So what are some, what are some like practical steps? What, what are some application, what are some touch points? I know we talked about like text, I'm just thinking like guy at home, man. How do, how do I do this? We're doing phone calls, we're doing, um, uh, emails, texting as an option. You know, you talk some and, and you're doing some stuff with, with mobile APP. You hinted at that earlier, like what some touch points that, that we can use to interface with, with people, uh, virtually or physically?
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Uh, well, I mean, you kind of mentioned that the ones, I mean, especially texting, super easy to do scale, copy, paste stuff and people, they read their texts. Holy Cow. You know, and so for us, we use, um, with our church management system or the reason why we decided on the one that we're using is that it has what's called process cues inside of it. Um, and it basically creates a workflow with which we can take people through discipleship. So we take, we've got a master process queue or workflow for everybody in our church and we can run reports off of it and help people step them through from one part to another. And the main mechanism with which we use is email and texting because it just, it scale is super easy and it doesn't hardly cost anything. I mean, texting is even super cheap, so, but a lot of those automated tools that we used so that nothing gets dropped to the, you know, so that we don't drop the ball or people don't fall in the cracks, that that you would really only need if you're dealing with a diverse and large staff with lots of handoffs between different ministries or departments.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: That's why we needed that cohesive strategy for most churches, man, it's, it's actually a lot simpler because you're probably dealing with one or two people or maybe even three staff people anyway. And so those types of systems I think can be helpful, but it can also make, uh, make a pastor kind of over engineer himself. And so he's spending all of his time on the system instead of spending his time with people. So if, if he can just think through, like if you were face to face with somebody and say, okay, well what would you do? Well then do that, you know, and then just keep it very simple and, and you could do like if they're on Facebook or whatever a lot of folks are doing, you know, Facebook live or whatever. Well, Facebook gives you a ton of tools, whether you're talking about Facebook message, you can call them up with Facebook using the Facebook tools.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: You can do a video call, video chat group chat group, video call using all the Facebook tools right there for you. And so I would just stay within that environment and try to stay native inside whatever environment that you found the person in or that Jesus brought you to them in whatever environment that happens to be. So if it's in Twitter, then DMM and in Twitter land, if they come to you, you know, using the church online platform, pretty much all you got at your disposal as an email address. And so use that, do whatever you need to do, um, to actually have, begin a conversation. Because what a lot of times happens in the, especially in the, in the online space, is that everything feels like a download instead of it. But church in its, in its best form, really not a download experience or at least it shouldn't be in my opinion, it shouldn't be a conversation.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: It's the one another's administry. It's the community that people really long for and what you might get them initially with like a download or a content or whatever that happens to be. But real church happens in community and those are conversations. So the sooner you get to a conversation, the better. When it comes to their discipleship or whatever. And you know, we can talk about systems and stuff all day long, but really nothing beats the one on one conversation that you can have with people and to pray with people and to find out you know, what's going on with them and where they feel like they need to grow and then create these individualized maps for them. The only reason why we're creating algorithmic based discipleship pathways is because of the scale that we're at right now. It not because it's really better, right? Because you know, we're going to spend a whole lot of time creating all this stuff.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: You know, that we could be just with people. But what we learned over time is if you, if you're with people enough, you start to notice patterns and that helps inform whatever kind of algorithm you wanted to make. So some of the things that we found is, is that the big things that if you have someone who believes in a personal God and the authority of the Bible, those are linchpin beliefs that affect everything else. So, you know, if you can get them in scripture, then dude do that. I mean, it is just like if you let somebody to Jesus, what would you do? You tell them to start reading scripture? Well, if you lead someone online to Christ, what are you going to do? You're going to tell her read scripture. And one of the great things even youversion has some really great tools to have daily reading play in groups where you do that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: And, and we, we, we lose the word engagement. We use it so much that I think it's really lost its meaning in context of engagement is a two way conversation. And as much as we're pushing content one way, we're having a conversation where it's coming back to us and, and, and we lose that in social media and we lose that and economy of scale. And all of these things were where somewhere along the way it really does come down to a, uh, a discipleship oriented relationship where we're helping people, uh, take the steps of faith where wherever they are, you know, and one of the things, and you said it earlier, I love the fact that that for you, the discipleship process doesn't happen at evangelism. It happens before that. And so that at you're tracking and you're building those relationships as, as you're going utilizing online. And physical and melding and meshing them all together. And, and, and honestly, Jason, you and a west side man, you're, you guys are a man. More cutting edge I think than I realized than you are. But cutting edge in the simplicity of man. It's not about systems, it's about relationships. And that's something that I think is, is very needed. We were looking at churches and church online's Today.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Well, you also have to, um, I think one of the things about being innovative is not necessarily being technological there. There is a sense in which, you know, the, the goalpost most is moving constantly. Okay. And one of the things that after doing this for a long, long time was back in 2010 when we were first starting the tools that we had to actually follow up with people weren't nearly as personal as they are now. So before we had to do things a little bit in an impersonal way because there wasn't a good way for us to do it in a digital fashion. But today, man, I mean, look, we're having the zoom call, we're having a face to face conversation for crying out loud. You know, that kind of stuff wasn't really readily available and it wasn't ubiquitous like it is now in 2019.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: And so all of these new things are appearing giving us new tools to be more um, more focused on the community side of church, of the content of church. Because the truth of the matter is today we do not live in an information scarce environment like we did back in 1950 when people would drive for miles to get content that they could not get anywhere else. But what people will do, they will, they will go through all kinds of hoops to get to true authentic community because while we live in a content rich environment, we live now today in a community starved environment. And so our church, and I think most churches, if they were, if they were thinking about where society is headed and if they're thinking about how they can meet the needs of society, they could pivot from a content based ministry to a community based ministry. And really meet a whole lot more needs than by giving them this fancy sermon or whatever, which don't get me wrong, sermons are great, but if you spend all of your time on content and not on community, well you know you're going to be competing with everybody else that probably has better content than you anyway. So,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: hey, that's a consumer. I mean what what you're saying is if the only thing you're doing is you're creating and, and, and I've, I've been talking about this and and, and blogging content and having conversations, whatever. But at the end of the day, church online is a mirror of your church. If your church online is guilty of just creating content you're creating is consumers and chances are you don't like church online as a result of that. But truthfully, it's probably because all you're doing is creating content and not actually creating that community in your own physical spaces. If you value the community physically, it's going to drip down to your online spaces. If all you're doing is creating content that is going to drip down to your, to your online spaces. And so it's, it's having that wisdom to, to push community, uh, to reinforce the gospel in that context. Jason, man, that, that's so good. Rey? What are you thinking?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: This is a fantastic word, Jason, and especially, you know, for the future as we talk about content. You know, and it's funny because, and I, I don't think you're seeing this at all, Jason. They're not against each other. You know, a lot of [inaudible]
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: right? A lot of folks think, well, we have to focus and get like the best content out there and they don't, they don't see the link between the two as far as how content and community can work together to drive, you know, the discipleship that that's supposed to take place in the church. And so this is where, you know, a lot of churches nowadays, you know, um, and many of us, we may get lambasted for, well, you guys seem to be so much about, you know, the production or the show and what they don't realize is no, no, no. If, if the content that we are producing doesn't drive people towards the community that we're looking for, then really this is where we are missing out on church. And it's been that way. You know, Jesus preaching a sermon on the mountain,
  
  
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  Jason Morris: right? Yeah. And even he said, look, you're only sticking around because I fed you last time. You know? So it's like there are, there is a consumer mentality that happens, but that didn't stop Jesus from putting the majority of his focus on the 12 and on the three. So you have different scales and different sizes of groups that are better for different things. And um, there's a really great book that really helped me to understand this, especially with a lot of the church planning movements, stuff that we're doing all around globally was to understand that different scales, different sizes of groups do different things better. So when you're talking about, uh, you know, teaching and healing ministry and stuff like that, like you see in Jesus, that's for the thousands. But when you're talking about prayer, that's 120, like the group that met, you know, before, before Pentecost.
  
  
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  Jason Morris: And when you're talking about a training like church planner training or ministry training, he did that in groups of 70 and when, when he did discipleship, he did that in groups of 12 but he didn't do accountability in groups of 12 he did accountability in groups of three so the three he saw Jesus at his best, the transfiguration, and that his worst in the garden of Gethsemane and the 12th and see that they got discipleship, they didn't get accountability. So part of our discipleship strategy is also looking at, okay, what size group is better for what? And try not to fool ourselves into thinking that we're doing discipleship on Sunday mornings with thousands of people and it doesn't work that way. Discipleship works in those groups of 12 and we try not to kid ourselves into thinking we do accountability in those small groups at 12 it doesn't work that way. It works in those triads. And so we part of our discipleship strategy as well, when we're talking about people really digging down deep into what they're really struggling with, we look at the size of the group that best matches what type of a movement that we're looking for, whether it be accountability or discipleship or training or prayer or teaching. Does that make sense?
  
  
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  Jason Morris: Yeah, it's his church 3.0 by Neil Cole. And it actually, when you're talking about micro citing that book has been super helpful for me to help Orient Myself, um, into what a, a smaller sized group could look like in a microsite environment. Um, because a lot of, a lot of churches that do church online generally do it from a larger scale to begin with. So they're broadcasting the big scale and because that's what they broadcast and because people kind of imprint when they first, their first experience with that particular church is at the big scale, they have a harder time. Um, getting down to the little things because if you notice the way that Jesus did it, he called his disciples before he fed the 5,000. So a lot of times we get it a little bit backwards where we show them the big scale first cause it's a lot harder than to have people, you know, we, we think it works, but it generally does it
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to the church digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed. And, uh, once again, I am glad that you are joining us today here on the church digital we talk a lot about church online and really focus upon, uh, the, the ministry opportunities that discipleship, the production, the different parts of what it takes to make church online happen each week. And, and so I'm joined once again here by, by Rey DeArmas are our guests, those tier at the church, digital, uh, raised online pastor from Christ fellowship or anyone to say, hey everybody,
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:00:31 so good to be with you again. Hope everybody's well.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:00:34 Awesome. And we've got a guest here today, David Urzi, who is with Cape First Church. Uh, and, and, and Dave. Uh, what man, why don't you just tell us a little bit about Cape first and the ministry and what exactly you do up there? Cause I know it's a long, long list.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:00:51 So we are a multisite church about halfway in between Saint Louis, Missouri and Memphis, Tennessee. So somewhat, well you would call rural. We're a town of about 50,000 or so. We've got four locations, uh, to in that direct city and then to, uh, and outline areas about 30 miles in each direction and a multisite church, few thousand people on the weekends. And, uh, I came on board here really just to help out. My wife works here. And so I was kind of behind the scenes, just helping out here and there, uh, and then decided, hey, I'm going to come online and help this online thing. And a realized there was a whole lot more than just church online. That's what the leadership wanted me to do is, hey, fixed church online. And then I realized, Hey, we've got a whole lot more to fix besides just what happens via computer on a Sunday morning.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:01:42 the previous guy before me had kind of just launched every different way of church online, Youtube, Facebook, a church, online platform. And so it was like, okay, we're doing a ton of stuff really poorly. Let's do one thing really well. Um, and so for years I've been involved in church online through seacoast church and, uh, other avenues. And so, uh, when I came here, I'm really the last few months having to prove my theory is correct a or prove them wrong and restart. And so, uh, we have completely torn everything down, like no Facebook live, no youtube live, uh, going straight to chop even we were broadcasting multiple services. Now we're just doing one like this is, let's go back to one service. Let's do it well, let's get the right volunteers in place. Let's coach them, let's train them, and then let's go back.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:02:37 Let's grow a step at a time. Uh, and so that's a little bit of what I do. In addition to, uh, oversee the construction facilities we're going to remodel. We're in a $3.2 million expansion. Uh, we're doing a lot of different stuff. I do some stuff with staffing and a, so I get to wear a lot of different hats. Uh, and so my title here is communications director, so that's really how we narrow it down is what happens in the worship center. The auditorium on a Sunday, uh, is, falls under our creative pastor. And then anything outside of that, basically from the lobby to the end or falls under me. Um, he is, what are we saying? And I am, how are we saying it? Uh, and so he gets, he's saying, hey, this is what the sermon says. This is what the worship set list says. And I'm saying, okay, now that we've said it, how are we saying it to the world? And so that's a little, a little bit about what I get to do.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:03:31 I've never met a communications director that's in charge of a $3.2 million construction project. But Hey, we'll go ahead and, and been pretend communications directors out there who are listening to this broadcast are like, thank God, that's not my responsibility. Yeah, man. And what's interesting is, and we find this so much in, in Church online, right? Like the online pastor is always online pastor plus something else. Like it's an online pastor plus, um, a worship or online pastor plus students are, cause you know, anybody who deals with students understands technology and but, or online or plus creative and different things. And so, um, yeah, there's always different. I like I started as a production guy slash online and kind of grew from there. Rey was Rey, like what are some of the responsibilities that you've carried in addition to, to be an online pastor?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:04:23 So I originally I launched one of our physical locations as I was coming into the role, which works online. And Jeff, you were there for that entire transition help and lead me through it, which was great. And it was a challenge because I was for sure managing to what felt like two different campuses, but at the same time it was the entire church overall and that I was overseeing one physical location, but at the same time I was responsible for, for something that the entire church body interacts with. So in a way, and I'm sure this is something that we're going to unearth a lot more, uh, as Dave Adamson talked about the Omnichannel, uh, I became the entire churches campus pastor and kind of a way, because everybody started to recognize me and I, and it became something through which I started to having to manage and pastor everybody in that kind of sense or as is the case in so many options, people started complaining to me about a tool that was just one of the many things that I oversaw, whether it was working for them or it wasn't working for them.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:05:14 And it became a heavy responsibility and caring and that kind of way. And so for those of you out there who are carrying multiple roles at, and at the same time you're carrying church online, believe me, we hear, we hear you, we understand you. And in many ways we're still carrying a lot of that because even though I'm still, I'm primarily focused on church online, I'm also overseeing all digital tools at our church, which is just a rapidly, rapidly expanding thing. And so we hear you. We feel you. Uh, as far as how a lot of that goes.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:05:42 And that was my role when I joined at seacoast has all in line. Pastor. Uh, I was, Jeff, we were talking on the phone a few weeks ago and I mentioned how there's, maybe we should take a poll, but I'm guessing there's maybe 20 churches in America that have a full time online pastor that that's all they do. Like I feel like I'm being generous saying 20 cause I mean when I, and I mean like literally that's all you do. You wake up on Monday morning and that's all you do all week until the next Sunday. Um, and so that's what I came on board as Seacoast is like literally this is all you do church online. Um, and even within less than six months, we hired a, uh, we were able to work the budget out where we hired an online service pastor where it was his role was facilitating the services. Uh, and if it freed me up to also do a physical location, just like Rey, where I provided pastoral oversight for Church online, but the online service pastor, he was the one that pastor those people during the live broadcast.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:06:43 Wow. That's, that's an interesting concept. I like that. So what we want to talk about today, and we've used the word online pastor, online campus pastor, uh, throw in online director, you know, something like that. We want to talk about what exactly do these people do. Um, and actually like for me when I'm looking at like outside social media or outside emails, I can't tell you how many emails I've gotten from people saying, Hey, do you have like a job profile for an online pastor? Actually, Rey, God bless Ya. I've shared your job profile with probably a dozen churches because your yours is like, you know, I helped write it and I'm like, yeah, this is the only one that I've got. So here and you know, I've made some notes and I blogged about it just to throw it out there. But like that's the, uh, people are like, what exactly do these online campus pastors, what exactly is it online pastor do?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:07:35 And so I wanted to kind of unpack that a little bit, which is why I brought these two online pastors together to wrestle in this space. Um, what, what's effective, what's effective ministry, um, what, what's not, uh, what are, what are things that, that we actually do in these spaces to pastor people virtually. And so in David, let's, let's just pick up exactly where you left off of. So you were online pastor, but you had someone that you were, uh, an online service pastor who was more responsible for like the weekend stuff, but you were oversight and responsible during the week. Like how did you set that up? That that's something I've never really heard before.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:08:17 Okay. So first would be how I came into that role is when I was interviewing with a pastor, Josh Surratt and the crew at seacoast. Um, when they said, hey, we really want you on the bus. This is a seat that we have. Uh, what, what do you think? And I said, well, I've never done, I've done a little bit in church online I kind of get it like what do you think? And I was like, but at the end of the day, I'm not an it guy. I was like, I'm not a tech guy at all. Like people think I can fix their phone and computers, but a lot of it is just like trial and error, like seeing like I don't know how to hook up servers and run it equipment. That's just not my gift. And Pastor Josh and I'll never forget it, we were sending a restaurant and looked at me.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:09:04 He goes, that's okay. We have those people's employ those people in place. We need a pastor. And so I'm a pastor first it tech guy second. And so everything that I've ever done in church in align, it comes from my pastor's heart first. And if you're not a pastor first, that's okay. You might be the church online guy and you're an it guy first. That's okay. You just got to find those people that complement your strengths. And so we had a great it team at seacoast that was able to, I would say, Hey, I want to do this and in church online, how do we do it? And they would help me with the tech side of it. Um, and so basically what do we do all week? Um, I the short, cause I still get that question just like you just, people ask me all the time was the Online Pastor do and I always respond with, okay, if you're a pastor and you're overseeing a campus, what do you do all week?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:09:56 You're talking to people, you're meeting with people, you're finding out people are in the hospital and you're seeing how you can pastor them through that year. Finding out someone's daughter just got admitted to the hospital and you're figuring out how you can get someone there to visit with them and you found out someone passed away and how can you pastor their family? I was like, I'm doing all of that virtually. Like I'm finding out someone 60 miles away, their daughter just went into the hospital. So now I'm saying, okay, do I need to drive or do we have a member that lives a little bit closer? That's maybe a life group leader that are a high capacity volunteer that I can trust to go minister to them. Um, and so that's the Pastor side of it. Uh, and then the other side is, hey, are the notes ready?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:10:44 Uh, we, we actually scaled back from you version. I know a lot of people. Are you using youversion notes? Nothing against them at all. Great Product. Uh, we just found that we could do notes through our APP and if people are giving through our app, like let's make the APP a one stop shop for everything. Uh, and so it's, it's updating the notes and, and making sure every tool that people use, like what Rey said earlier of it becomes this tool that everybody in the church is using and all of a sudden you are everyone's pastor. It's making sure those tools are ready for the weekend so that everybody experiencing them. Uh, we'll experiencing them at an excellent level. Uh, I tried updating our app a few days ago, a few weeks ago, and I did it on a Tuesday afternoon into Wednesday afternoon. I knew it was going to take me a full day or a day and a half, so I was like, well, I'm going to do it like Tuesday to Wednesday afternoon when nobody's using the APP. No joke. Within a couple hours I had three emails of people telling me the APP isn't working right. The Bible reading plan is off, the dates are wrong. And I'm like, I'm trying to fix. Like I was trying to make it better and I thought no one using it. That was completely wrong. Tons of people were using it even during the week. And so you're making sure those, it was the same thing they're using on Sundays. I had no idea they were using it on a Tuesday afternoon at three o'clock.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:12:07 Yeah, that's good. And it's, it's funny how that works, isn't it David? Because you know, here it is. It's not that you think, and a lot of people I think assume that, you know, first of all, especially if you for lay people like overcoming the, Hey, what do you do besides Sunday is kind of a leak. And then amongst pastors is, okay, so what do you do if you're not preparing a sermon? If you're not, it's almost like the same conversation I had at first with just even becoming a physical location campus pastor. Okay. So you're not teaching. So what else are you doing? And I think what a lot of people don't realize is how much ministry and how much logistical work there is. It actually goes into this.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:12:42 Yeah. And we're actually, so a little bit of background on Cape First of where I am. Uh, we have a pastor who's about to celebrate his 30th anniversary. Uh, he's in his early sixties, mid sixties and next year will be our 100th year as a church and nothing against him. But his staffing has typically been pastor heavy cause that's the way most people through the sixties, seventies, 80s, nineties even maybe early two thousands it was. Yeah, it's very passive. It's your heavy, like the pastor carries the load of the church. You preach every sermon, you're visiting hospitals, you're doing this, you're doing the funerals, the, the weddings, the baby dedications. And whereas now we're seeing a trend of you have support staff that can go and visit and you have campus pastors that can minister to these people too. And so even since, since I've come on board and my wife has come on board, we've hired two extra facilities, people three extra front or not extra there. They were needed, uh, three more front office administration staff. Uh, because all of these, so much day to day logistical duties were weighing down our pastors. Whereas like, let's free them up to do ministry because there is so much stuff. And nobody had just sat down and said, hey, what are our pastor's doing every day and what can we take off their plate? And so once we were able to look at that on paper, we're able to say, hey, we need to, we need to get some more support staff in here.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:14:15 And let me, let me, yeah, let me take it into something here at David, one of the things that you mentioned was as, as online pastor, like you get a phone call or you get an email or a Facebook message, I would get Facebook messages like crazy 60 miles away. Somebody's in the hospital, like walk in, you've, you've never met this person. Physical space. It's, it's always been, you know, through virtual. Walk me through a scenario like that. Like, like tell me that story, what it's like to go be pastor for somebody in a different city that you've really never had like a physical interaction with. What's it like to be that pastor?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:14:52 I'll tell you two situations. One, a very serious one. One a not as serious ones. Still seriously that family. Uh, one was a lady about three hours away. Um, I got a message one day, she said, can't talk right now. Really bummed out. Just lost our child just before birth. Uh, and so made miscarriages are no fun. My wife and I have had one, but the later it goes, the closer you get to that nine months. It just, it's, it's harder and harder. And they were, they were right on the verge of that. And so, um, there were three or so hours away up in the mountains and I was like, man, I don't know when I can get to them just, I actually had newborn twins at the time and I was like, I felt for them, I knew exactly where they were at, uh, emotionally.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:15:41 And I was just like, Gosh, I want to be there, but I just, I can't. So I was able to call one of our campus pastors that was in a bout a 40 mile driving distance to them and I was able to continue email conversation. She didn't want to talk on the phone yet cause she was very bummed out and I said, hey, I want to connect you with uh, with this guy. He's one of our campus pastors at a location closer to you. I would love for you guys to sit down and talk. And so it was like boom. We had someone in our organization right there ready to go to help them and pastor them. And it was pastoring them through the grieving process. And then, hey, we're going to have a little family. We're not gonna have a huge funeral, but hey, let's do something for the family and, and celebrate the life of what could have been, um, that was in a womb for eight months and, um, and let's be there for them and pastor them.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:16:34 Uh, and they were viewed on online. Um, and then the less dramatic one would be we had a volunteer who was remote. They were about four hours, but they're one of my remote volunteers that served at church online. Uh, and she called me one day. She said, hey, my son out in Denver, we were on the east coast. She's like, my son out in Denver was in a car accident and my health, I can't get out to him. What do we do? How I want someone to pray with him. Um, and so thankfully we're a part of Arc Association of related churches. I got on there, searched, I said to find who was the closest arc church to that hospital, made a phone call to that pastor. And I said, hey, here's what we've got. Here's, here's what's going on. I said, can you help me in any way?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:17:23 Can you go to that hospital and pray with him? And he's like, man, I'm out of state right now. I'm out preaching somewhere, but will you call this guy? And he gave me the name of another pastor and that pastor was able to go and pray, take a selfie with them, send it back to me. I sent it over to the mother and said, Hey, just want to let you know that Jeff, uh, that was the guy's name. Jeff is there praying with your son. Uh, your son says, Hey, he said he's doing all right. He's a little bruised up. They'll be there for a couple more days. And they were of course in communication to the mom and son. Um, but just reiterating, hey, he's doing all right. And, uh, of course she was over the moon. I mean, how, how could you not be in love with that situation that God orchestrated? And so to answer your question, to be a pastor in that situation is saying, Hey, what can I do? And if I can't do something fizzy self will through these relationships that God has given me. So that's why it networking is just so important. That's good.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:18:28 That's really good David. It's, it's powerful how, how you're able to take a situation like that with pastoral care and just make it so practical. In terms of leveraging your resources, how often do you find that you've got to think outside of the box in order to help minister to pee? Uh, and, and how different plans may not always look the same?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:18:47 How often really depends on, I mean, it's like a church of 200 people versus a church of 2000 people. You're going to have way more care for more people. Um, and so right now in this season where I've scaled down a lot of stuff, it's maybe once a week we're all get a message and I have to think through, okay, how are we going to pastor this person? Uh, whereas other seasons of ministry, it's been a once a day, twice a day. Whereas like, okay, we're constantly thinking on our toes. And luckily with a larger organization, a lot of those you can quickly funnel off into other ministries of, Oh hey, this is a single mom. Great. We have a, we have an entire ministry for single moms. Let's, let's put this straight to them. Um, cause I don't want to get too deep into a rabbit hole, but that is a part of casting vision for church online is not, we are our own ministry center.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:19:46 But Hey, if we have someone that just got out of prison, uh, and they need pastoring, I, I'm not going to be the first person. What I'm going to go to is our outreach pastor that deals with those guys on a daily basis that actually runs a home that the church owns that for men live in that just graduated a drug rehabilitation program. I want to say, Hey, we got this guy fresh out of prison, plug him into the life of these other four guys and let them have their own life group and you lead it and so it's, it's not like that works trying to pastor everybody as we funnel them in. When that pastor sees, oh my gosh, this guy came through church online and now he's a part of the physical life of the church. Like this church online thing really works. Like this is a thing and it helps grow that vision and everyone's eyes.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:20:33 It's so great that you talk about the handoff because the handoff for us here at Christ fellowship in terms of if the, if we can get them into a physical campus that's nearby, how much that just expands and celebrates the wins overall for what church online is and it make it seem like it's an online ministry, which is kind of a term that I find around here. I'm trying to help people understand, no, this is a way that people gather and interact, you know? this is a way for people to experience the body of Christ. It's not just a ministry of the church. This is the church overall.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:21:02 Yeah. It goes back to that whole, and, and we've talked about this previously, but it's, it's the online, the offline relationships, right? So the, the, the lessons that we learned, the gospel that we hear online that we experience through church online, maybe that we experience listening to a, to a sermon archive or, or something on social media that that impacts us in the real world. James 1:22 don't just be here, be hearers of the word online. Do what it says in the real world. And so as a result, you know, being able to connect the, the virtual with the physical and blur those lines. You know, and, and we mentioned earlier, Rey, I think you did, like I just don't want to do a whole episode on this idea of Omnichannel and how there was this, this great, and we'll put it in the show notes, the link to Dave Amundson and I talked about it on my blog, but this idea that it's not just a single, um, message that's done in, in a, in a single space, whether it's virtual or whether it's sermon archive or in it, and it's not this idea that you don't just go and hear it in that one and people like live in that one environment, it's that it's all holistically involved in that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:22:13 Well that also impacts not just processing of a sermon, but that also impacts the ministry lives that our church has in our church now needs to wrestle with. And we're talking about what is pastoral care looked like virtually. And sometimes that's, you know, driving 60 miles up the road or it's calling friends and friends of friends and networking to find somebody. Well, I mean that same conversation can be had, you know, what is, what does it look like to disciple somebody? What does it look like to, you know, to, to care for somebody in a different way and, and suddenly like it's, um, it's a much more holistic view of church when churches actually doing the biblical community that at discipleship angle and the end, the pastor kind of being the person to, to lead in to that, to speak into that, uh, is, is so informative, so important.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:23:02 But there's a lot of vision like that doesn't, that doesn't happen overnight. Right? Like I can remember, I'll just tell a horror story. Um, actually yeah, I will tell horror stories like we were, we were trying to figure out Christ fellowship Miami. I'll, I'll, I'll call him out. It's, it's fine. Uh, but we were trying to figure out, cause they have this, this annual, it's quarterly. It's a movement called love Miami. And that's where we get out there serving the neighborhood. Serving the communities and, and, and, you know, make a difference for Christ. Do through things like on schools, uh, in, in parks, just loving on loving on the community and the name of Christ. And so like, I wanted to get the, the, some of our, our church online people involved. I had like groups in, in key west groups in New York, kind of scattered around the country and I was trying to figure out how to like get them to do something but love Miami itself was, was dated like it's, it's limited to that Miami three Oh five, seven, eight, six zip code.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:23:56 And I remember, um, it was in a meeting with the entire staff and it would, the idea was thrown out maybe a little premature. Um, what if, what if we change love Miami to love your city? And it was, it was, it was, uh, it was a bad job of casting vision and like the response in that environment wasn't, wasn't really good. It was kind of bad and awkward and, and flaming bullets started flying all over the place. You can't change love Miami. I love Miami. We've been doing this for 20, 30 years, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And I'm the online pastor. I'm like, I agree with you. Like I, I don't, I don't want to, don't want to do this. So like there's, how do we have that conversation where we, we cast vision where we, we, we empower ministry people, we make them aware of what online does. This is an example of how online is not done well. How it's not cast vision. It wasn't received well, but how can it, yeah. Yeah. What do you guys think Dave would have you experienced?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:25:02 So I have a similar horror story. I'll tell a really quick Jeff. So, uh, where I was, it's, it's a broadcast video fee to every campus every Sunday and then about four times a year, the campus pastor, it's campus pastor Sunday where they speak. And so I came to the leadership one day. I said, well, if it's campus pastor Sunday and I'm the online pastor, should I preach for the online stream? And it was like, well of course you wouldn't know cause the online pastor and like they kind of put everybody in a pickle where it was like, well I'm the online pastor. And, and it was because that w that audit, that audience, that online congregation was so large, it was like, do we all of a sudden want to trust this new newbie with this many people?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:25:47 Um, so similar horror stories, flaming firing darts were fired at me and so that didn't quite go over as well. And so I think one thing for me if casting vision for church online is something John Maxwell says or there's been a few people that said it is great leaders ask great questions. And to cast vision for Church online, you have to ask the staff and ask the members of the church questions about where they stand with church online. Um, and you're not looking for a doctrinal stance on it, but hey, if they asked me, hey, well how do you pastor someone on, how do you disciple someone online? How do you think we should, if, if you are watching online, how would you want to be disruptive? Cool. And it's beginning begin that thought process and process in people's minds of saying, getting them in and the people's shoes that are watching online saying, okay, what would I want if I was there?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:26:46 And it, same thing when I'm trying to get a new volunteer to serve at Church online when they're like, well what do I write in the chat? Well, if you were sitting at home and you, uh, your computer, what would you want someone to say to you? Well, I would want him to welcome. And so, and it's just getting them to, cause they've never thought of themselves as being in those shoes of just helping them walk a mile in that person's shoes that's watching online. And so for me, the casting vision and same way with a staff of, hey, if you are a shut in and couldn't, couldn't get to church physically, uh, what would you want someone to do? You would want more than just a stream. You would want a live person coming on camera welcoming you, you would want an opportunity to give financially, you would want an opportunity to sit in a Bible study class other than uh, just the Sunday morning worship experience.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:27:35 Yeah, that's good. David is so true and I'm glad that you mentioned all those avenues. It's funny cause you know that exact instance that you mentioned, you know, we've, we've still tussling with that kind of thing and I've even had experience communicating here at CF, but it still becomes a bit of an issue and that's just, it's this, we're all given full disclosure here, you know, and know we're doing a lot of great innovative things. But on top of that, you know, what I found at which helps out a whole lot is telling stories of all the wins in keeping the stories in front of leadership. Nowadays. If folks are leaving comments on, you know, just things to pray for or things that they're so grateful for for search online. I'm constantly taking screenshots of it and immediately firing it off to leadership just to keep it in their view of this is why we we do, and this is on good days and on bad days, right?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:28:22 Or if it's on Sundays were church online is awesome. Or if man, we've got issues with x, Y and Z, it doesn't matter. Just constantly keeping the vision in front of leadership and I'm even at the point now where by God's grace we've got other leaders in our church, other campus pastors or other kids, directors or different folks that are starting to tell they're getting stories and feedback and so now I'm even like, Hey, listen, you know, for everyone, I'll buy you a cup of Starbucks for everyone that you pass on the leadership because it's worth it because it continues to keep the vision forward and everybody's eyes of one, how important this is.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:28:54 And then two, the fact that this isn't a segmented audience of the church, this is the church overall. This is that Omni channel. This is everybody together who takes part in this weather for whatever reason they're sick or they're passing it on to their loved ones or something else. And then finally, just the practicality of it. It's important to tell the stories of how people are being affected by this. And so if you're out there, please keep your stories in front of your leadership. Let them know about these folks because they need to know that people are being ministered to in this way.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:29:23 Yeah. Straight up those two things, just copy and paste that, um, asking, asking the right questions. Um, you know, guiding people. That's, that's almost like it's, it's a coaching one on one strategy. People have the, the answers that they need. They're already ingrained in that. And so it's coaching the kind of walk them through it and, and it's telling stories and celebrating those things and um, the, the, the big wins and in the small wins that like there's, there's nothing too big or too small to celebrate. And I think, I'm not sure if we've talked about it on the podcast, but I can remember we had a, we had a, a micro location, we had several micro locations up in New York, but we had a house church and um, they sent me a video, they texted it to me, a of a guy getting baptized and Rey Rey knows this video, but it was, it was awesome.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:30:13 And it was literally the guys getting, uh, baptized in a bathtub and a and ended up in a, in a New York apartment. So the bathrooms already, like I dunno, three by three that the tubs, like half the space, there's like five people cramped in this and, and, and the, the guy who was doing the dunking, like it wasn't, I'm not saying it wasn't smart, but he was baptizing towards putting the head towards where the, where the Faucet Knob is instead of doing it the other way. And so we're watching this video and it's like this close to this guy's head getting konked and response from the staff on this video. Like, half the people were like, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. We need to do this more. And the other people were like, you can't do that. You can't baptize somebody in a bathtub.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:30:58 He almost, you know, almost banged his head and it's like, well, it already happened. You know, let's, let's, let's celebrate it. Let's not worry about the naysayers. Let's, let's make it what it is. So throw those stories though, those celebrations out there. Um, but what, what's interesting, and actually I had this conversation with a, with an online pastor. And what's interesting, this is an online pastor who's an it guy, you know, dual hat. And so I had this conversation like a month ago and cause I asked him, I was like, how's your ministry going? And he said, Jeff, I'm at this really interesting state right now where we've gone through the season of casting vision. And so now the vision is bought in. They've seen the success of it. Uh, now leadership is expecting stuff from us. It's, it's no longer a philosophical thing, will it work for this particular church? It's grounded in the reality of now there's goals, now there's expectations and we have to like deliver on these things as online pastors. You know, Rey, I know you deal a lot with that. I'm sure David as well. Like how do we, how do we wrestle with, with the goals and the expectations of this? What does that look like?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:32:11 Sure. Um, expectations. I think we're still kind of wrestling through some of the expectations as people struggle through what to measure. And you know, ultimately, and I know this is kind of pithy, but we measure what matters, um, in all organizations. And so it's very easy to fall in love with online attendance in terms of what it is and how fast it can grow and some of that stuff. And so I can understand why everybody ran off the bat would look at this and say, well look how many people you know are watching us. I mean, man, this is incredible and not really of digging in, in terms of the actual community and what that can mean as far as expectations. But the reality of this is, and Jeff, you and I have talked about this, is that, you know, um, uh, your online strategy really should be a, it should resemble what's going on and your physical locations at your church.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:32:56 If you're really trying to see real discipleship and real growth happened in the life of believers, then things like online groups, if you're a small groups deal or if even if you're a Sunday school host, Sunday school, you know, here in, in a chat room like we are, you know, like don't be limited by those things, but really your same discipleship strategy that would be for somebody who showed up for physical location should exist for those who show up to your online campus. And if you're really measuring engagement and what matters and you have to keep the community piece upfront and your expectations should be really just unlimited by the potential of that and what that could look like.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:33:30 Yeah. For me, coming into this new role, uh, I walked in and it was like thousands of people watching every single week and so many people and all this, and I sat down and I looked at all the numbers and I was like, it's just not there. Like, I'm not seeing the data that the previous guy was seeing and yeah, there's thousands, but the watch time was miniscule and I was like, that's not a viewer at three seconds. They didn't watch service even at a minute and a half. They, they were not there long enough. And this goes back to what do we count it as a viewer and what's what, where do we draw the line? And so for me it has been scaling all the way back, like reporting the lowest number possible, um, to manage those expectations of, I had to be honest with leadership where I was like, hey, the numbers that you're getting are not accurate numbers.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:34:24 Um, I know they sound really sexy, but they're just, they're just not it. Like there's no hard data to back up other than one line of text that says this many people clicked on your stream while it was live. That's literally the only number. I don't have connect cards to back it up. I don't have people in life groups to back it up. I don't even have people that have given their life to Christ to back it up. It is literally, that is the only piece of data that I have. And so making sure you have an entire picture of the ministry, uh, give, giving that to him cause so quickly with a lot of lead pastors and this isn't a slam on anyone, it's just you're natural reaction is, okay, if we have Churchill line, how many people are watching? Well, that's a great question, but you would never say that in Youth Ministry of, Oh, how many teams are showing up.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:35:14 That is important. But how many teens got saved this year? How many teens that got baptized, how many teens went to camp? How many teens are in life group? You ask all of those questions. It's the same thing in church online. You've got to say, how many people are doing this? How many people have jumped in the chat? How many people have filled out a connect card? How many people have contacted us saying, hey, pray for me. I consider my church home. Uh, all of those things. Those are all metrics that you've got to put together a whole package because that's what, that's what you need. Leadership, the way, an expectation on not just, hey, how many people clicked on the feed because we know with technology that can, you hit the right Google ad word and all of a sudden your 10,000 people in the next week, you're at two. Well that looks terrible on your resume, and so giving it an entire holistic picture to leadership, that's, that's my way of how you would manage an expectation better.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:36:08 That's good. Yeah. We're actually going to be, that's so good, David, man. We're going to be talking more about this in the next podcast. We've got Jason Morris on a and we're going to be talking about the discipleship pathway of of of church online and now when it, when it really comes down to it and we've already recorded the podcast and I want to give away his stuff.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:36:27 I was going to say, now that I know that he's going to be on, they're completely disregard everything I've said. Jason Morris is the king of truly looking at people as more than just a viewer. Uh, so if you want to know what it looks like to have someone as a part of your church that just happens to be digital, just ignore what I said. Listen to Jason.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:36:52 Quite literally why we had them on it was, it was so good. And I want you guys to hear that when we roll it out in a, in a couple of weeks and this in the next, it's literally the next episode, but it's, it's this idea of we measure the wrong thing and you're right, those view stats, Facebook live lies. You still need to, I still believe you need to do it. Uh, because exposure and getting people connected is, is awesome. They see it. But are those people viable? Um, are those people connected into ministry? Is Facebook's a great front door to something else? But we shouldn't be measuring, we shouldn't be basing our success on Facebook. Should been basing our success on whatever that next step in the discipleship pathway is. And if you're like, what's a discipleship pathway? Just like finish this episode, go to the next one, it's going to roll out in two weeks and it's going to be awesome.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:37:41 Uh, but that that's the challenge, right? Is, is that, you know, I can remember like every time I would turn in my report, uh, and I, and that the leadership would be like, this is awesome. You've got so many people. I was like, Hey, don't be excited cause of this number. Don't be excited because of views. The excited that we got hundreds of people in an online small groups be excited that we're, we're launching physical like micro locations and those things. And like that's where, um, that's where true ministry, true discipleship like comes into play, right?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:38:15 A few weeks ago in staff meeting, so when I first got here, it was all viewers. No connection of Jay, hello click on to watch. I couldn't get a, I couldn't get anybody in live prayer. I couldn't get anybody to email me back. It was literally like, I want a watch and no one talked to me and on, I mean it was weeks and months of just stoking the fire, trying to get something going on one Sunday to people click live prayer. Okay. And so I walked into staff meeting Tuesday morning and I was like two people like why? There was like what that was like, you don't understand. It has been a nightmare trying to get people to connect online and it's not a nightmare. It was, I was, it was a joy to try and give people to connect, but it was just like pulling to get that and I was like two people clicked it like that. They took a next step. Whether, whether, whether you think it's the next step or not, it is. They literally took the next step of the church saying, I trust you to know who I am and know what I'm going through. pray with me. And that was, that was my win. I rode on that. I'm still riding on it.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:39:24 You know David, it's so good. I was super appreciative of, and we took down buddy, this Jeff you saw, um, when we went through this where, um, and you talked about one baptism where I take somebody through our one-on-one that, and we discovered that she wasn't baptized but she was a police officer, but she lived close to campus. But because of her schedule, she couldn't do it, man. When I baptized her and when we recorded that and when we were able to celebrate that, just to celebrate once again to celebrate what matters and to push that out there. Um, what that does for the rest of your church. And then our leadership actually took that and used it for an offering moment and all of a sudden it illuminated even a lot of people in our congregation celebrate it, celebrate it. Celebrate man, look at what can happen. Look at what's possible twp people clicking on for live prayer people engaging in online experiences, taking those next steps in faith. That is powerful stuff. That's great. I love it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:40:18 So like, what's, what's the next step? So like you've done in let's, let's unpack. So I want to go back David too. You're like, you're in a, you're in a season of drought, let may be overstating, but like you don't have engagement by the way. Side note, like even even the live prayer in the chat stuff do this in circles. It's, it's huge but it's a small percentage of people that engage. Like speaking as near as I can tell, 10 to 15% of people when I ask this question, more often than not, it's 10 to 15% of people will engage in those chats. And so it's, it's very discouraging even if we're trying to base our success on that because people don't, don't readily, don't openly connect to that. And, and sometimes it's weeks or months. I had a guy tell me once, you see, he's like, yeah I did it for 18 months.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 00:41:11 He did a year and a half of chat before you really saw any, any engagement click on it. And so like what are some things pastorally that, that we can do, uh, what type of environments can we create to drive people? Cause the, the biggest challenge in charge on line isn't getting your service. Um, and it's not even creating the ministry like the small and the pastoral piece. It's discovering who the people are that are watching an isolation and getting them connected to it. It's that, it's that virtual gap in between service and viable ministry. So like David, I'm just curious, like you were in a season of drought, you've maybe made up maybe a little turn, you've had some experience in the past, like what have you done to kind of connect those, connect the bridge.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:41:57 So one of them has been being just very intentional with the chat of every time I post on Facebook of, hey, we're about to go live. I tell people, hey, jump in the chat. Say Hi. Tell me where you're watching from. Just continually telling them every time, hey, tell me who it is. So now I'm starting to see every Sunday I'm seeing those same names in the chat. I'm seeing those people that have created a profile and they're coming back, logging in as the same person, not just typing in a nickname, but they're coming in. And of course a lot of this reference is church online platform. Uh, for those of you that use it, you'll probably know what we're talking about. For those of you that don't, you probably have something similar. Um, but they're actually, they're, they're logging in and so the last few weeks is I've been starting direct messages with them or private messages where I'm saying, Hey Amanda, I'm so glad that you're here.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:42:50 Uh, would love to, would love to talk some more, here's my email, shoot me an email or I'm, I'm beginning those steps of, okay, cause my goal, honestly, uh, between all of us, my goal is that they're going to serve on that church online. They, they're watching every week, hey, you'd be a host. Like this is your next step. And so, but I know I can't come out the gate with that because six weeks ago they weren't even willing to get on the chat. And now they're willing to get on and say, hi, it's Amanda again. And, and I'm able to say, hey, so glad to see you again. You got anybody watching with you. Uh, and so it's those, it's those small incremental steps where, Hey, just because somebody is chatting for the first time, hey, that might not be the time to throw out a connect card.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:43:33 Like, I know you want it. I do, I want their information, I want to know who they are. But it's like knowing that, hey, they've been here three weeks in a row. I can see, I can see they're there. They're now sending six messages per service instead of just one when they first get on. Or Hey, we had a whole conversation then. And it, it, it's, it's taking those winds and remembering them, but not necessarily trying to hit a home run right off the bat. Um, and so that's what it's been a key for me is just taking slow, methodical steps of like, Hey, I know we're going to be back next Wednesday. I mean, should the Lord Tarry? I know, I know she's probably going to be back and yeah, there's some risk. Maybe she finds a new church in and I never see her again.
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:44:16 Of course that can happen, but it's saying, you know what, this person has been faithful. We would do it the same way in a physical campus, like when someone's shows up for the first time, Hey, welcome. My Name is David. Do you want to be a life group leader? Like we wouldn't do that to a guest. It's, hey, we're so glad you're here. How long have you been coming here? Hey, have you come over to our blue room? Let's, let's get you some. Let's get you a Bible. Do you have a Bible at home? We want, we want you to have one of those. Or, Hey, we're reading through the Bible together. Uh, if you've never read the Bible, here's a great place to start. And the same slow process that we would take with a physical person. Hey, we're taking out with physical, with digital. Hey, we're so glad you're in the chat today. Would, would you fill out a connect card and taking those slow steps?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:45:00 Good. Yeah. It's important to walk a lot of those senses. I mean, absolutely. And especially since David, I imagine, you know, you guys are utilizing that same way that you would for the person who attended for the first time. You're bringing that same strategy. They're online, right?
  
  
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  David Urzi: 00:45:19 Hey, we have the Bible reading plan right on the APP. Go in and click on it. That's, that's the biggest thing we do together as a church. Others, other than life groups is we read through the Bible together and then our Sunday morning services, the message comes out of the reading that you would have read the previous week. Um, and so I get to tell people that have, hey, hey, read the Bible with us this week because next Sunday we're going to preach about us thing that you're going to read this week. And then they realize, oh wait, it's like this every week, which is awesome. I love that. We get, we do it that way. Um, and so it's, it's fun. Yeah. We get to do the same thing digitally as physically.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: So we went longer than than I wanted, but this has been a really good conversation. It seems to be a common phrase right now. Podcast is called longer that it was supposed to, but uh, it's, it's good material. So man, David, thanks for sharing with us. Uh, any, any closing thoughts? 20 seconds. Mic Is Yours. David, what do you got?
  
  
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  David Urzi: I say this, that we're all online pastor. I'll say it to all of you guys. Don't be afraid to start small. If you feel like you have, if you feel like everything is overwhelming, go back to what has God called us to do? Who can change the world? Everybody. Everybody in Church online can change the world, but who can change your community? You can. Don't be afraid to draw back and say, okay God, what can we in this community through online medium to change our city to then change our county to then change our state to then change the world? Don't feel like you have changed the world, changed your community through church online. Amen.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Jesus changed the world with a, are you, and I'm going to overstate here, but three disciples, three people that he was close to and 12 followers and so like I have, I've always said I'd rather have 15 people that were sold out in love with a cause that in something larger than that. So man, thank you very much David. That was, that was phenomenal. Rey. 20 seconds in closing. Anything on your end.
  
  
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  David Urzi: Love learning from me, David. It's a phenomenal thing to all of you guys wearing two hats. Keep hope alive. This is a season in time. Keep it, keep checking on. It's good stuff.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: Hey. Yeah, so it's been the church digital podcast, like I mentioned. Next up is going to be Jason Morris and it's literally, it's just going to run right off where we left off and go into the next one. So definitely catch that podcast. But for David, for, for Rey, for myself, Jeff, check out the show notes. We'll have more information on there and we'll see you next time here on the church digital podcast. Thanks everybody.
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to the church digital podcast. It's great to join you all today. I've got Rey DeArmas here joining us. Awesome. And I also have an excited about this, Tyler Samson who's joining us to talk a little bit about church anywhere. Hey, so, so Tyler, I mean we, we've listened to Rey all the time, but Tyler, man, tell us a little bit about yourself.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 06:15 And we're intentional. Like I said earlier about calling them the campus pastors of this, because it's not just Joe Schmo like we've obviously poured into east person that we trust. You'd start a campus, but we want them to take that ownership. We want them to feel like they are pastoring these people. It doesn't, we don't want it to feel like just another way to serve at the local church. We want them to really take ownership of their campus and make it the best they can possibly be.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 07:02 Yeah, it's, it's uh, we don't have a, um, like laid out. We're going to meet for six weeks and do this. We identify the leader and then we individually spend time with them. So the point person for that campus would, uh, would go ahead and build a relationship with them. Um, so it's very relational based. It's not really like a program that we would put them through to become a leader. It's more of let's identify who has this gift and maybe not even, they don't even know they have this gift yet and then we're going to spend time with them. Um, and uh, we make them shadow other campuses, things like that. That's, I guess that's the program part, but it's really about that building a relationship with them until we are at a point where we trust them to go ahead and step into that leadership role.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:44 How long of a of a process of kind of like observing, shadowing, you know, reverse. Like you get somebody who's cold to the idea or you've targeted, let's say it this way, you've targeted somebody who wants to do this and you like, this is the person, how long are they observing until they're actually executing and doing something there?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 08:03 It really depends on where they're at in their, their walk in, uh, in their faith. Um, if they're, if they'd been a believer and I have had years and years of ministry experience, obviously it's a much shorter time. If there's someone like the guy I mentioned earlier that started the prison ministry, um, it can be months before we would, would try, we put him into that spot. We just, we don't want to set someone to fail. So it's by case basis.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:27 Awesome. And how many, how many are of these are you doing right now?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 08:30 Right now we have 14, and we start, um, and another two in a in a week. So we buy that another jail in a next week.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 08:42 Got Your own like little prison ministry like birthed out of church, online church, anywhere that yeah,
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 08:48 it's crazy because there's several prisons around the Louisville area where we're hat um, once one of them gets rolling, other chaplains will hear about it and they're like, oh yeah, let's do this. It costs us nothing. And you guys, you guys provide everything. So let's do it. Very good.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 09:06 How do you guys get the content to the prison areas? I know we've done some prison ministry in my context and some of the concern is the low tech that we have to get in there cause they don't enable us to jump on their Wifi. Maybe it's a different situation with the prisons that you're ministering to. So if somebody wants to start this in a local prison, how would you guide them through that process?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 09:22 Yeah, so we provide them with a chrome book and um, we are in the prison ministry is because of the lack of internet. We are one week behind. Um, so they'll have the, let me start with this. We edit our services down to 30 minutes. Um, so we can do 30 minutes. We have an hour long total block of time in prisons. So we have 30 minutes of content in 30 minutes of small group to help develop relationships. Um, each week we'll bring in 10 volunteers, 10 to 20 volunteers, depending on the size of the campus. And there's, those are the people that lead the small groups. So we have the, the lay campus faster, the volunteers that come in and they have their chrome book that is already a filled with that previous week service that's edited down to 30 minutes.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:08 I'm just curious, is that worship musical worship and teaching is it just...
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 10:12 it's usually two songs and then about a 15 minute message. Um, and often in a special element that we've done in the service. So,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 10:20 and it the 30 minutes. Interesting. Because like, you know, we've, I've struggled with you guys a 75, 80 minutes service and trying to get, do something like the church anywhere where get it into like a, a office conference room, equip and office, uh, worker to, to open up and do something like that. But like the, the lunchtime itself is only like 45 minutes, maybe an hour if you're, if you're lucky. And the church service itself was longer than even the discussion piece and it, and it wouldn't fit. So editing it down to it to a smaller block man, that really opens up some more opportunities for these...
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 11:00 We prefer it when it's like that, but we absolutely want to have every game. It's like that. There are some that are in homes that would rather just watch it live, things like that. But, um, as we launch out canvases, we always start with the 30 minutes. I think the small group part is every bit as important as the content. Building those relationships is really what it's about.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 11:20 How much they, in terms of crafting the content, uh, ahead of time. Are you guys thinking through? All right. This is the block that we want specifically for teaching.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 11:28 Yeah, 100%. We, um, we switched to a teaching team model late last year, um, in order to help craft messages together. Um, and then also to make sure that the content that we're producing works for both church here and church anywhere. Um, that's pretty insider language. That's just what we call a physical location. And then the other campuses,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 11:51 so like your leaderships whole hog on this, like they bought it hook, line and sinker. This is, this is the vision of your organization. This is not like a, a tag on extra thing. Like everybody's bought into this.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 12:03 Yeah. Everyone bought into it and um, we launched it as church anywhere. Um, and then there we are, we're in, we're in discussion of like phase two of that right now. Um, which I don't know how much you tell I'm allowed to go into on that one on the off chance. Our, uh, our leadership watches this know we're really, we're really going to push the idea of everyone becoming a minister to wherever they're at. So taking the church outside of our walls, whether that's in their neighborhood, whether that's when they play basketball with a group of guys at the Y. However, they can take a church outside of our walls that's going to eventually become our major vision of the church.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:45 I don't think that's, I don't think that has to necessarily be thought of as like scary, innovative cause I've heard it dating back to like purpose given church. So that was almost the encouragement for groups. And so now you guys are taking it a step further I think, and taking this content and saying, hey, we're going to unleash you to be the minister is where you're at. Kind of like what Warren, you say every member a minister. So are you guys going to communicate that philosophy? Like everybody here has the capability of being a campus pastor right where you're at or how's that gonna work in terms of what you're thinking?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 13:12 Yeah, that's a, yeah, that we've been in several meetings in the last several months about how we're going to communicate that. Um, the, the launch for that is, um, we're, we're thinking August of this year will be the launch of really pushing every, we want every person at our church, to be involved in some type of call it tricks anywhere, call it an initiative, call it whatever you want, but to go and minister wherever they are at. Um, and we will help provide the technology or the, the, um, the means to do that.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 13:43 That's good. I know you mentioned that, that it's a small community that you guys do a ministry. And so right now, how far out do people spread out beyond the reach of your church in order to accomplish this mission with Kirk anywhere? Does it go out like beyond your county? Um, I'm kind of curious about that because folks stay connected with church for so many different reasons,
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 14:04 Yeah, the farthest one away is two hours. Um, and there's, there's also one that's about an hour away, um, and then anywhere from 45 minutes to five minutes or, but the other ones, so there's two that are out pretty far outside of our area. And then the majority of them are within the Tri City area here.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:27 Do you have specific viewers that are outside like regionally away from, from where you guys are at with, with church anywhere? Like is is your spread just of your broadcast? Is, is it that far going where you've got to spread?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 14:42 Yeah, we have, we have a widespread, and obviously the goal would be to get them on board with this whole church anywhere idea too to start with. But we have a group of people to watch us in California, all the, and uh, I would love if they would start a church anywhere in California. We're not there yet. Maybe eventually. But, um, right now we're, we're um, within that two hour radius. But with viewers on the online campus for, uh, lots of places across the country.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 15:09 How are you leveraging data that comes into your online campus to help start church anywhere you just mentioned these folks from California. I'm wondering how often you reached out to somebody that they had. Would you like to start this?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 15:17 Yeah. Um, we did that with the, the campuses. About an hour away. Um, that was like our first one that we were like, Hey, we noticed there's 15 people here that are watching. Let's, what if you guys did it together. Um, and that turned into a home campus and we're also utilizing popup campuses. Um, so we're, we're, uh, plotting, plotting points to where, um, there's a lot of people gathered that might be interested in coming together for a worship service. And we did our first one last, uh, fall. I think I actually shared that picture with Jeff, uh, uh, at a conference in DC last year.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:50 So let's unpack that because I find when I say the word popup church to a pastor, like I get blank stare. Um, it's a new concept that not a lot of people are doing, but the people are doing it, are Succeeding, succeeding, doing it. Explain what a pop up churches.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 16:05 Yeah, we um, we decided that, uh, just like pop up stores that come up near like Christmas time, uh, why, why can a church not try that? So last year we have an event each year where we do a big festival for the community and um, and we throw it and it's a big free day where they get food and all this kind of stuff. So we said, why don't we find a, a location that's close to, um, people that view us within our like 25 mile radius and instead of having them come to our building, which is what church has been for a long time, what if we just did a pop up church for one day only and see how many people would come. And now with this we wanted, we wanted it to look full because we wanted people to, um, to, to be drawn to it.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 16:51 So we had, we invited all of our, our people to come if they wanted to. Um, we're a church of about eight or 900 on the weekend. At that pop up campus we had close to 1500 people. Um, wow. Super Cool.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:04 So you, so it's, it's really, it's just putting a location, putting a church service, um, you know, in, in a place of, of high traffic where you're going to get a lot of of attention. Um, and we don't need relationships with people.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 17:19 We use our data that we've, uh, like the, uh, the locations of the Ip addresses that we've found from our online campus. Like, Hey, this person's, he's only 25 minutes away from here. Um, he's crying and he's never come to our building. Wonder if you would come to a free a carnival slash worship service and those, which was cool. Like, I don't know that many churches that have done these things.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 17:42 So we were just really kind of throwing stuff into the wind and hoping something would, would fly. So
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:47 I love that. When you do you, do you look at the metrics like a lot and say, okay, I've got a bunch of viewers over here in this, in this town, or in this area, I need to send someone over there to start a location. Or do you let the people come to you and say, Hey, I'd like to put a location over here.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 18:07 At first we looked at the metrics like crazy. Um, and then as we've grown to the size of the campuses that we have now, um, we've, we've had enough people that have approached us and consistently approach us that, um, this is probably going to sound bad, but any more, um, uh, work would probably require a different, uh, a second hire. Um, and so right now we're letting people come to us because we just don't have the resources to be, um, looking for more locations without leaders.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 18:39 that's awesome. Well, I mean, you're, you're scaling and you're working with, with what you've got and using a, your resources to the Max capacity to, to duplicate and the like, and just even talking about resources, what is like a, you know, and I've had this conversation with other churches and they were like, well, how are you going to budget that and how does giving work and you know, money's obviously a concern. How do those things work at like a church anywhere, location?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 19:05 Uh, yeah. Let me tell you, I'm going to tell you a quick story because it's my favorite story from church anywhere and that it'll apply to what we're talking about. But, uh, there was a guy named Jerry at Branchville prison, which is an hour away from us. It's one of our campuses. And, uh, he wrote us a letter probably three months into that campus and said, um, I don't make much, I make 10 cents an hour.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 19:29 Um, but I, I feel like I should give to you guys because you are my church family. So each, uh, each month he sends, that's a $10 check and it comes from the prison. Like it's, it's super government official letter, but we get a check for $10 from Jerry each month, which I mean, that's, that's not only a powerful story, but that is a testament to the discipleship that can happen within these things as well. Um, all viewing a service, it's all about building relationships and then together you can worship. It's just like regular church. Uh, so some of the campuses they give, um, consistently, obviously like a homeless campus probably not going to get very much. So we, we realize we're not going to be making a lot of income from this. Um, we had a challenge weekend last year and challenged people that, um, if we're going to continue to do these church anywhere, things they're going to have to up their giving.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 20:18 And so we had people commit to allow me to give $10 extra a month to go to church anywhere, that kind of thing. Um, it's not, it doesn't cost a whole lot of money. It's mostly an upfront cost, but, uh, it's really just been, are people stepping up as far as the giving part of it? Um, budgeting for it. We, uh, we started with literally zero budget. Um, so the, the first campus we started, um, we had to take the money from a different budget to buy the television. And, um, then our leadership saw like, hey, maybe there is something to this thing. So, um, the last couple of years they've, they've added more and more to the budget. So right now we've got enough this year to start. If they didn't have any technology, we could start, um, 12 campuses. So,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:58 okay. All right. So you've got, there's somebody out here there who's watching this video right now listening to this podcast and they're already broadcasting church services online. They've been wanting to do this, uh, and they don't know where to get started. They don't know what to do next. They caught the vision, but they're stuck. What do they need to do?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 21:19 Yeah, well, um, I would, I would really focus on making sure that the product is excellent. I can't stress that enough. Um, because I, you guys have seen some, some church services or in secular services that just throw a, a, a video with like a one camera and a board mix that that just doesn't sound or look good. That's not something that you're going to, you need to, to, to craft it to where people will actually be engaged. Um, that goes from like Rey's question about how we produce our content for the weekend service. Like we're very intentional about making sure that we have four touchpoints for church anywhere, spots within the actual weekend service. So we, we address them four times every week. Um, we write content to where it can be cut down and then we, um, we do a lot of, um, postproduction on videos, things like that to make sure that it's a, that's a quality product.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 22:09 I cannot stress that enough because I don't think it will work very well if it's just some guys that are putting something on a screen that doesn't look or sound good. Um, from there, after you get that, um, I think the easiest, the easiest way to start this would be to, to, uh, identify five or six leaders, um, from your church, uh, that, that maybe they're plugged in. Maybe they're not identified people who you think could lead and just spend the next few months pouring into them without even telling them what's going on. Uh, really make sure that you're, you're pouring into them and building them up as leaders. Uh, from there, figure out what they're passionate about and where they hang out. And then, um, once you figure that part out and once they're onboard, just release them to go do ministry. You will provide the material for them, you'll provide the resources and then they go out and uh, and just fulfill the great commission. They're going to go out and make disciples.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:02 Awesome. So let me just real quick to review that because that was good. You work on your quality and, and there has been a lot of good quality. There's a lot of bad quality out there, but work through that and get it. And one of the things, and Tyler, I know we're going to talk about this later, but have you back on, but like you talk a lot about how to do quality broadcast quality production on, on a, on a low budget. Like I, I have conversations with churches and, and you know, and, and I've done like the six figure video upgrades for churches and, and like, there's times where you have to play that card, but there are times where man, you can do some really quality stuff with some really inexpensive gear right now. And so working through some of that, you know, recognize and, and one of the things I want you to unpack on this, cause you said you, your, your church service recognizes church anywhere four times, at least four touch points. What does that look like?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 23:54 Yeah. Uh, so the, the intro to the church service, um, is usually, um, either me or one of the other pastors on the staff that says like, hey guys, welcome to first capital if you're in the lobby and go ahead and make your way in because we're going to start in a second. Hey, if you're watching from church anywhere though, you're a part of our church family too. And we just want to say a special welcome to you guys. Um, we're about to start worship here in just a second. Is that similar to that?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:17 So that's something like that four times during a service that they'll, they'll, they'll call out the recognize that
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 24:24 ...during the meet and greet and most churches have like a meet and greet time. We'll say, hey, everyone turned around and greet someone around you while people are grieving in person. We look at, um, we would call it camera three. It's the closest camera and the host onstage directly addresses church anywhere. He's like, Hey, while they're meeting we just want to say we're glad you guys are here. Why don't you guys do it or how to greet somebody. Kind of thing. The pastor does it once and then we do one at the sign off at the end.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:49 Very cool. And I know, uh, you know, you also said identify leaders and, and that's, that's golden. And then provide resources. Um, and that, that actually brought up a question because I've talked with a couple of other churches that are doing this and that there's something that everybody gets stuck on. We don't have a good formula for it yet. What do you do with the kids?
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 25:07 Yeah. Um, if you find out you should let us know as well.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 25:12 I had a feeling like, cause we just, we haven't been able to find that sweet spot with a, with the micro locations of like doing a separate service for the kids or what. So
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 25:23 we have, um, we are in a part of this, this big vision strategy that we're coming out with in August. And once again, I can't go into a ton of detail about it, but, um, one of our upcoming hires or somehow getting resources for it, we would love to start a youtube channel specifically for children but not as a church service. So kids right now are watching like people unbox toys and they'll watch for hours. So how can we utilize content like that, and spin it in a gospel driven direction, um, but not so much to make them not want to use it. So in these micro sites, um, parents use their phones all the time as babysitters. So why not have them be watching content that we've created or we've resourced, um, at that time.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 26:10 Good. That's real. That's real solid that you guys are looking at staffing that position or at least looking at it from that perspective of this is so important. It takes a lot of resource to create this content, takes a lot of time to craft it. And so having somebody with that kind of vision just right off the bat just as how serious you are about this. because a lot of tracks look at that and say, ah, you know, that's something that we look as the luxury. But you're looking at this very intention, you're saying, no, this is, this is part of the future where we're going.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 26:37 I mean the new iPhone update that it always gives me a how much screen time that I had each week. Every Sunday it'll like come up with a thing and it's embarrassingly large. It's like eight hours. So like if eight hours of screen time, how, how can I as the church utilize that eight hours that people are already looking at screens? Um, because we don't have eight hours within a church service. We've got an hour a week with them. But if they're already looking at a screen for eight hours, like surely we can, we can leverage that. MMM. That's just the world we live in right now.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 27:07 Yeah. The communication models are changing. It's not just one hour on Sunday. We've got access to 168 hours a week to do something. And so the churches that are understanding that and are changing their communication methods to not just put all the energy towards that one hour Sunday church service and instead utilizing social media, utilizing mobile APP, utilizing web, um, even texting just to get message and to help them be a disciple, not just a consumer of a one hour a week thing. That's gold by the way. I'm six and a half hours. So man, that's a little embarrassing for you.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 27:43 I will say my wife and I went on a road trip last week and I'm pretty sure we watched all of parks and rec. So, uh, that's, that's gotta be well done.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 27:54 Real quick, Jack gets taken off of what you were guessing about Sunday morning. How much open his church anywhere towards not taking place on Sunday because I know a lot of folks struggle through, well, you know, going to church on, we want church to be on Sunday, but how much are you guys open it up towards: No, this is taking it to people. So it's whenever,
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 28:11 two out of 14 campuses around Sunday. Right now they're 12. A lot of them were on Tuesdays. I don't know how that, we ended up with that, but it was like one worked on Tuesday. So now every leader's like church anywhere days Tuesday, but the Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday right now and soon to be Monday. Monday is the next one coming. So,
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 29:40 Well, I mean those, those 17 people are, um, are people that need the gospel as well and they're never going to step in at, in our church because they can't. And so I would absolutely sacrifice one family that can't come to our church service for another 17 people to hear about Jesus every single time.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 30:32 Yeah. Have you ever heard of Cordon either one of you Cordon Indiana has, where we're located? No, I had never heard of it either before I took this job. So there's no feel bad. But, um, cordon is a really, really small town on the outskirts of Louisville, Kentucky. Um, so it's about 30 minutes from Louisville, so we're close to a big city, but we're really, really small. Um, so three years ago when we started streaming our internet speed, um, download was one megabit per second. Uh, so we obviously couldn't stream here. So what we would do was we would capture our Saturday night service and post produce it. So we multitrack it, it, um, we mixed all of it. Um, and then we had it ready for Sunday morning. We would drive to the worship Pastor's house on Sunday morning who had faster internet. We had stream from there and make it back in time to start the third service.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 31:25 Um, so in between first and second and third services, we would stream at his house and make it back in time. So that's definitely a challenge that we've overcome. And we finally had, um, fiber internet come through our area and we jumped on board right away. So now we're totally alive. Everything we do is happening in real time, which is awesome. That's great. Yeah, we used to multitrack because we didn't have the capability to mix in, in real time. We've since then have, it's been a little bit of money building a, a a, a separate broadcast mix studio, um, to make sure that the audio sounds good. You guys know that if audio sounds bad, then no matter how good the video looks, it's not a good video. MMM. So we be intentional about that. Um, so those are some big challenges. And just financially in general, we're on, we're a very blue collar society. Um, our, our kids in, in local schools, like 68% of them is a below the poverty level to have like free lunches and stuff. And so, um, it's just been a challenge to, uh, to try to resource things. Um, we can't really buy high end gear, but we can learn all about the gear that we have and use it to its full capacity. That's, that's just been the biggest challenge.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 32:36 That's very encouraging know Tyler and especially for a lot of folks who are in communities like yours or everybody in church, no matter what size feels restrained in this particular area and the budget. And so it's always comforting to hear, hey, we're just trying to maximize resources wherever we're at. Um, if you were to engage as senior pastor and you were to encourage them, whether other church plant or even he's been around for awhile and he's already got the fear... but if they're not showing up in the room, how do I know if they're really involved in our church? What would be the feedback that you would give them to encourage them and say, hey, listen, this is legit.
  
  
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  Tyler Samson: 33:44 Did you use it to just like mess around on tick tock or did you, did you use it to spread my gospel and uh, that's kind of where we, we have landed. So, um, it's been proven that it works for us. We had 49 people last year that it's not that they just raised a hand, it's, their lives are changed forever. Like this is not a, it's not a 10 minutes from now issue. It's an eternal issue and 49 people are now, I'm going to to worship Jesus forever. And that's a, that's a huge deal.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 35:17 that's awesome. Thanks for doing this selfless plug. That ended up hitting me as well. So that worked well. No, listen, I'm excited. Uh, about, honestly, I'm excited. Everything about church anywhere. Like to me it's, it's the model because it's not a like you're not a mega church. I think 2000 is like the mega number, whatever it is that it constantly is evolving, but you're not a big church, but you're a church that has a vision for how online can resource and get people the Gospel and empower people to share the Gospel and get connected. And so like, it's not a virtual building you're trying to gather people into. The beauty of this is that you're empowering, you know, these 14 people to be campus pastors at different locations scattered around. And some woman who works as a, as a, uh, a technician or a nurse at a Rehab Center for Huntington's disease...
  
  
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                    Jeff Reed: 00:00 Hey everybody, welcome to the church at digital podcast. My name is Jeff Reed and I am glad that you are here. There's a lot of different options, a lot of different voices out there with, with church podcasts and technology podcast. Uh, and I just counted it an honor that you, uh, took the time to download this, our first episode, diving into the church digital or the church online. So I'm joined today by guest host Rey DeArmas who's the online pastor over Christ fellowship in Miami. Hey, Rey, man, let's just take a moment, introduce yourself, uh, and just a little bit about what you do over there at Christ fellowship.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 00:36 Hey everyone, this is Rey DeArmas, and you're going to catch me a lot here on this podcast. Uh, we love church online. In fact, Jeff and I worked together, uh, here at Church online here. Jeff was the pioneer lot for our church and did a lot to help establish a lot of the systems that we still utilize to this day. And funny enough, Jeff, my story with Kirk's online actually dates back to when Lauren and I got married. I'm married with two kids and here's kind of where it all comes back to for me. So back in 2009, may of 2009 we're coming up on our 10 year anniversary now. It's hard to believe that, but back in May of 2009, uh, my wife had family in Brazil and she had family in Kansas City that couldn't make it over to Miami where we were getting married.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:11 say nine 10 years ago. Live streaming his own wedding. Now the real question is, was it firewire 400 or USB?
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 02:28 Yeah, that, and that's about as Techie as I want to get a with these broadcasts and will be time where with the podcast where we'll talk more on the technology side. But you know, really the core of what we're doing here with, with church online is, is not just an in the broadcast, but it's in the, it's in the discipleship piece and right. And so Rey utilizing that technology, and this is a, this is a poor man's example, but utilizing the technology to broadcast the wedding, it wasn't the technology piece. It was to allow family from long distance white to be part of the community. Exactly expect of, of, of what was happening in that. And so, uh, and that, that's it, that's just a small picture, a little bit of how Churchill line breaks down those barriers and hopefully not just engages or, or allows for one way communication but two way communication where it's coming back and people are able to art of the community of, of what's happening at the church.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 03:25 So yeah, I've got a, a long fun record myself with a, with church online and digital technology. I had this idea and this is crazy and when I, when I tell this story, people like you're nuts, but I had this idea like 20 years ago, what would it look like if church worked online? But back when I graduated college in 99 and 2000 it was like real networks, which you don't even hear of any Wilmore and Microsoft front page. And, and a lot of this, uh, the technology and the pieces really just weren't in play. And it's been fun to see over the years how, how the church has, has grown and how technology has expanded. And the church, the churches adopted somewhat to it. Like they've always been for runners and, and, and, and like people who lead the way, like, um, you know, life church obviously, and, and, and Grunwald and what has been able to do not only defining church online but, but the, you version with the Bible, you know, and that, that's really true when you look at Christian innovators.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 04:22 Uh, you know, what he's been able to produce and do things through a life church has been phenomenal. But there've been others, you know, along the way. Uh, and so we'll be talking in, in a podcast relatively soon with Jay Kranda who's the online pastor over at Saddleback. And one of the things that I love about Saddleback and Jay is his being the online pastor. He'll tell you, it's like, yeah, I operate more like a small groups pastor than anything else. It's not so much what we're doing with our services, but it's how we're connecting people in community. Jay Actually, he's the first guy who told me that, uh, people connect online, they connect to community before they connect to Christ. You know, and it's backwards. And the physical environments, we usually see people connect to Christ before they'll join a small group, they'll get saved in a service and then then you try to get them into a small group.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 05:06 Uh, what, what Jay's experienced over at Saddleback is exact opposite. And so there's really some interesting parallels, but the end game, uh, for a lot of it has been, at least in my lifespan, has been trying to create discipleship opportunities, create, create community, uh, give a opportunity for people to, to grow deeper in their faith and even to equip them to, you know, evangelizer or to share. And, and all of a sudden now I'm using really big churchy words, but, but the heart of, of church online, uh, and, and Rey, you and I have talked about this a lot. The heart of church online is not broadcasting a single message out for millions of people to hear. Right? Billy Graham did that back in the nineties and talk about another Christian innovator. Billy did some phenomenal stuff and literally one of his messages that was on the, uh, uh, the mission of the Gospel was broadcast, uh, across the u s was bounced off of satellites, was translated into different languages across the globe.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 06:41 Speaking to that because a reoccurring theme as we talk to, you know, some of some of these church online guys from around the United States, pastors in different stuff, stewardship keeps coming up in terms of God gifted us this technology, we get to grow up in the information era. We get to bring the Gospel to this and we're accountable. Can you give some insight as to your thoughts and views on how, on what? On what you think about that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:08 Listening to people is paramount to us being able to share with them. And actually I ran across an old stat just just recently and if you go onto thechurch.digital. Did you know, we'll put it in the show notes. There's a blog that that was blogged on this, but it's basically to the crux of two thirds of people will not come to your church service. They just don't want to come. Like they don't, they don't believe they're not interested. You invite them to church. They're not, they're not going to.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:40 And No, like the, the coffee, more haze, less haze, more light, less light, a more dynamic, a sermon series, more marketing. Like they're just not coming. And, and, and what's interesting is, like I said, lifeway 2016 rant ran this study. 66% of people, I believe it was somewhere around that number aren't coming.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 07:59 Hmm. But if you can get people to, to live the life, if, if the people who want, if you that you need to go to church, they need to accept Christ. If they see it in their friends, if they see that their faith is important to them, yeah, they'll go, they'll have that conversation. And so, you know, for, for the church, it really comes down to not trying to create the best product and the best service to get people there, but to create a disciples who are creating disciples. And in all of a sudden, um, it's, it's, it's getting our, our, our, our followers, our attenders our members. Use whatever language you want to use, but get them not just to, to, to talk the talk, but to walk the walk. And so if, if, if, if the people who need Christ see that it's important to friends, that faith is important, that that Jesus is important.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 09:49 Evangelism in the future is going to happen in our homes, in our living rooms as, as it becomes more, more practical and real. And so, you know, the accountability for the soul has, has, has changed in American church in the past. You know, it's been the, um, and bring them in. Let me share the gospel. You know, the pastor standing up in the pastor being the hero of the story and for many years that needed to happen. Um, training wasn't in place in education, was in a place and resources weren't in place to, to him to empower people really with the Gospel. But at the end of the day, 2019, we have access to all this stuff and more important than any research or any APP, we've got the holy spirit living in us. And so the role of the church, I would suggest to be relevant for the future shifts a little bit here, right where we need to now move away from, um, uh, getting this massive message out to as much as, hey, let's figure out how to empower people with the message of Christ so that they can share their friends. The hero isn't the pastor anymore. The hero is the people. And so through, through church and, and swinging back to the pendulum through church online, we now have the opportunity to, to research, to disciple, to train, to equip people with the Gospel so that they can empower others so that they can share with others so that they can reach others for Christ. Hmm.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 11:21 Can you speak into the fact that a lot of Christians are already using technology like this for forms of discipleship, for growth, for, for things like this? I'm thinking of my own father. My own father is looking on youtube, you know, for Tim Keller studies or in RC Sproll. But then he's sharing that with other people. Like he's taken these resources and spreading them out. Uh, you know, not just for his own benefit, but for the benefit of others. Can you speak into some of this stuff that you've seen with that too, Jeff?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 11:57 You know, the pure motivation comes from, he sees something that's benefited him and then he's saying, how can this benefit others? You know, at this point, my dad's, you know, he's towards like the legacy end. And so a lot of things that he's looking at our chest for his, for himself. So, you know, when he disciples guys, he's constantly on the lookout for resources for them and then following up with them. So it's like you said, it's not just about the content, but it's about the community aspect of the content after the fact that, hey, watch, watch list, but then let's engage, let's, let's converse, let's go deeper. Let, what'd you disagree with? What did you agree with? What, what worked off of that? And it adds to the conversation. And this is, you know, uh, an awesome gentlemen in his sixties. We're not talking about like, you know, folks who were in a bleeding edge tech.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 12:40 We're talking about, uh, you know, older folks who are saying, Hey, I've got this in my pocket. I've never had a resource through which I can learn from on the fly and now I can willingly and easily and for free, distribute this with others and engage in conversations in spaces that aren't even limited by time. Because you know, he can send a guy in a small group, a text message, hey, did you watch the video? And that guy will get back to them like three hours later. Yeah, I caught it. It was awesome. No, not yet. I'm going to, yeah, this is what I thought. Oh, I thought it was garbage. Well, here's what I liked. And so it's not even limited by, hey, we have to be in the same space in the same time. It's like, no, they're growing together over, over a period. It's a longer journey.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 13:17 And, and that I think is, is what's key. Uh, because it's discipleship, whether through church online or physical church, like there's, it's a relationship. It's a two way conversation where, um, there, there's dialogue. You're, you're, you're coaching, you're, you're directing, you're helping, you're praying with a specific person or persons. And so it's, it's not a, um, a one way conversation where I'm throwing, um, you know, the, the, the parable just throwing seeds out there and it's bouncing wherever it's bouncing. And some of them may bounce on, on soft soil, but some of them may be on, on rocky path. And so the, the, the picture here with a two way conversation is, is you're dialoguing with someone in taking the steps through that. You're your dad's example of, of sharing that video and, and going through, you know, what's APP or texting or Facebook messenger or whatever, dialoguing through that.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 14:12 You know, that's, that's a, that's a pure picture of what discipleship looks like in 2019. Right? Because it's, um, time is difficult. And so sometimes even sitting down the schedule, Hey, let's have a 30 minute conversation. Let's have a coffee. Like, it's, it's go, go, go and stuff gets lost. But utilizing the, the, the, the easibility of technology to have those conversations, to share those resources, to dialogue, to, to, to pray for, uh, to, to encourage through a hard seasons. That's what the technology does, you know, outside of the church world. Corporates understand that and has figured out, hey, let's, let's change our branding and be available through Twitter or through, you know, different things to Facebook messenger, uh, to, to communicate with, with brands and, and through the church. Like, we need to wrestle with those same things too. You know, right now when I look at Church online, let me spin the corner here a little bit, but what I look at at a church online, um, I see a lot of churches that are pushing their services out on Facebook live.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 15:14 You know, I'm picking on that platform. Church online platform, uh, is, is awesome as well. Um, you know, there's, there's youtube, there's a pair of periscope, Twitter, whatever. They're all trying to get there. There are videos out there and what's interesting is you've probably guesstimate probably 5,000 to 10,000 churches right now who are broadcasting their church services online. Hmm. Earlier the early last year, late last year, I did some research, and this is unscientific, just starting to ask around who's doing this now? As near as I could tell, of those five to 10,000 churches, only 100 churches had some sort of online small group, online discipleship group, digital group culture in place. So while five to 10,000 churches, we're broadcasting their services on a regular base, a very small percentage, I'm doing numbers in my head, maybe it's 2% actually took the time to create a biblical community in an online context so people could grow together and grow deeper in their faith.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 16:18 Now there there's, this opens up lots of different, uh, questions like, well, maybe my church is an interested in doing, um, like a digital person and trying to reach people who are far away from the location or the interestingly north point, and this was actually just mentioned on a carry new Hof podcast. Man, I think late December, 2018, it's like when he was doing his like church trends and, and he had on a bread Loma neck from I'm a capitalist and um, and he had done the campus pastor clay Scroggins from or think he's a lead pastor, play Scroggins from uh, from north point and clay actually dropped the, the, the landmine the right at the end of the podcast. It was one of those things, it's like Steve Jobs. Oh, by the way, we're doing this. And uh, but it was, it was this line of yeah, we tried a, they call it digital groups.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 17:07 We could, we, we did digital groups targeted to our online campus. The people only watch online. They launched 10 groups, uh, 10 people per group and Max capacity filled up in like less than 24 hours. So the next week they did something different. When they marketed the church, the small groups for the physical church didn't mention it in online context. Just aim towards physical. They launched the, that small group out. They launched two small groups with 10 people. Hmm. Those filled up in a couple hours. And they had a 200 person waiting list. And so the, the moral of the story is that the physical campuses could benefit from doing things digitally. There were people who could connect better to, uh, to a digital small group even though they were involved in the physical church. And suddenly what we're starting to see through north point is, is these, the divider lines between a physical church and an an online church are starting to blur. And it's not so much an online campus as much as it is the online representation of, of church. What do you think about that? Right.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:17 You know, so often, um, we try to figure out how online fits in the church. And so, you know, we struggle through while he's at campus that has a ministry, so many different things, even within the multisite movement. Part of what I'm looking at and what I'm seeing is that if, if you're really talking about your church as one church in multiple locations, including online, people are viewing it more like home depot. Uh, they don't, they don't see it as, I'm going to, you know, in Miami we've got multiple locations of Home Depot, you know, throughout Miami Dade County. And so I always say I'm going to home depot. I don't say I'm going to the bird road location or do the pinecrest location or hey, I'm buying this on home depot.com. I tell my wife, hey, I got it from Home Depot. Right. Where did you get that from?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 18:58 I got it from Home Depot. And so it doesn't matter which location I visit or you know, whether I'm buying it through their website or whether I'm showing it up and picking in person. The bottom line is that no matter what I'm filing it under home depot. And in the same way people are looking at Christ fellowship the same way they consider themselves dedicated to Christ fellowship. Even if they only attend eight physical campus, like at a, at a physical brick and mortar location once a month. But at the same time they engage in our services and in our online community throughout the month while they're gone or while they're traveling or even while they're just brunching in the city of Miami, they still consider themselves part of our church. They still consider themselves bought in. And I know that may make some church leaders and pastors shudder oh once a month and I don't know if I would consider them bought in.
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 19:44 Well, I'm telling you right now, that may or may not be what we consider, but they consider Christ fellowship being their home church at that point. They say, man, this is my church. And they even engage giving, they engaged in serving the in community, eh, that one Sunday a month that they attend might be the might be the week that they serve. And so they're like, yeah, you know, I'm part of a ministry and I'm here in person serving. But the rest of the time, you know what, I'm engaging in that online community, but they don't even file it under separate systems. They're looking at it as Christ fellowship is my church and they don't separate online. And physical location, they're looking at it from one perspective. And so I think that's a challenge for all of us. You know, here in 2019 as we're getting adapted to this new way of being, especially in terms of church.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 20:30 Yeah, let me, let me hit on this. So there are three different types of people who will watch an online service. So this there, there's this has been dialogued and work through [inaudible]. Honestly, I forget the first place that I heard it. It may have been clay Scroggins um, a year or so ago, but the, the first group of people, you know, let's, let's call them the front door. So these are people that are interested in your physical church service, but before they actually come, they want to watch a service online. Maybe they stumble on the website, maybe somebody gives them an invite card. They see something on social media where somebody shares it, there's an interest that's peaked. But before the new brand new don't know anything about you, they want to figure out who you are. If they like your music style, if, if what clothes do they need to wear, like they're going to check you out in an in an online environment. Now the disciples,
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 21:21 that's all of us, like if you were moving to a new city, no matter if you're a Christian for 10 15 years, whatever else, at some point we're all front door folks. Like I completely agree with you Jeff.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 21:31 Yeah, like I, I'm trying to find a restaurant. I was just talking with Rey before we came on the podcast. I'm trying to find the Cuban restaurant in south beach because I want to go have a lunch with a guy tomorrow. And so I'm on, I'm on Google, I'm on apple maps, I'm digging around and there's two different restaurants and I'm looking at reviews to see what people thought of that. This is me trying to find a restaurant to eat at tomorrow with, with a guy from out of town. And so having that web presence, having your online service crews so that it's reaching that front door person is vital. But those aren't the only people who are watching, you know. The second group of people, let's call them side door people. Hmm. They are the people who are regularly engaged in the mission and vision of your church.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 22:18 They're regular attenders. Whatever reason, they didn't show up for your church service on Sunday, but they're still aware and plugged into what's going on in context of your church. That's right. Maybe they got a sick kid at home. I mean, I've got two kids, eight and 10, uh, once a month. My wife's not making a, a church service on a weekend because sick kids, I mean, 101 fever happens all the time. It's just life. And so as, as an example of maybe it's that, maybe if it's traveling for work, traveling on vacation, working, uh, having to work on a weekend, um, you know, and once again, like I'm not saying this is right. I'm not saying this is wrong, I'm just saying this is the reality. Maybe they just don't want to get their clothes on and wanted to stay at home on the couch for whatever reason.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 23:03 Um, rather than looking at this in a negative light church, let's look at a positive light. There are people who are not engaging with your church physically. They could have just checked out and said, hey, you know what? I just, I'm not interested. It's the same thing every week. I'll just catch up next week. That's not what's these people are coming in online, whether they're watching service, maybe they're watching a, a sermon on demand during the week, whatever the context is, they are engaging with your church even though they're not in the, in the physical building skin. So those are two really good options that are, that are helping the, the physical church. And so even though they're engaging with content online, a lot of the ministry often happens and physical spaces. Now the third group of people is, it's a little different. And so the third group, let's call them the digital door people, these are the people that the only door they're ever going to walk through is, is digitally.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 24:01 Yeah, that's right. You know, maybe this is somebody who lives outside of your 20 mile circle of influence. Maybe they're on the other side of town or a city or you know, somewhere nearby. Maybe they're on the other side of the state country or maybe they're in another like, um, on the other and other continents, right? The reason is they're not interested in coming into your physical space. They are looking to your church for spiritual guidance or spiritual direction. And so this is a completely separate mission field that's open to many churches, uh, but they haven't yet figured out how to, to realize it and how to grab it and how to move with it. So you've got these people who are going to be talking a lot about this and the, in the coming podcasts and episodes and on my blog at thechurch.digital, you can read a lot on this, but church, we've got people that are actively involved in an actively engaging in, are actively looking for spiritual guidance from you. It's just a matter of whether you want to listen to them and dialogue with them in that. And that's good,
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 25:08 right? There is a fascinating concept because many churches might look at this and consider this kind of outside of their quote unquote jurisdiction. And the sad thing about that is, is, you know, we're all held accountable for what God brings us, uh, whether that's inside our city limits or whether that's inside our digital limits. However they may they may occur. Um, and what we've come to find, both Jeff and I and doing, you know, church online is that there are a lot of folks who for whatever reason cannot access, even though they live within your vicinity, your front door, they can't. And so digital spaces are there primary spaces. And so you need to engage them. You need to engage them as much as possible because they need you, they need you to disciple them. They need you to help take them to that next level. You are the person that God provided in their life to take that next step with them. And so the question then becomes, well, you answer the calling and engage.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 26:04 Yeah, here's a test that I want you to play. It's a game. And, and I do this a lot of time when, when I talk with churches about digitally and context of line on line, if what happens at the online campus in your online service, what happens if somebody gets saved online? If the answer is, I don't know,
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 26:29 lives can change in context. You know, it's, it's funny. It's like if we don't think that lives can change online, then why are we broadcasting our services online? It doesn't make any sense to so, so we're expecting God to do something with it. But now we need to say what happens in the physical environments. If somebody gets saved, we need to represent that and do that online. So it, whatever, whatever your process is for your church, do it online, create online so that it's a mirror image of, of what's happening at your physical church. It's not an afterthought. It's not a a thing that kind of gets swept under the rug. It's not something that that that's forgotten. It's not icing on the cake. It's, it's the, it's the virtual execution of what's happening at your church. And hold your online to your same standard.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 27:24 You know, if you're, if you're meeting with somebody, you're getting a plugged into a next steps class, you're, you're getting a plugged into a discipleship group, do that online, you know, utilize the technology in place to, to engage in a conversation and to disciple that person. Um, and so, and we're going to be talking a lot about that as we talk about, we've got a podcast coming up that's going to be awesome where we're talking about a discipleship pathway and what it means that to take, um, you know, an entire church, but at the same time an individual and help that person grow, grow deeper in their faith and to help somebody who is far away from God suddenly become close to him utilizing online technology in personal investing in that. So listen, I am really excited about this podcast and we're going to be rolling these things out. We're aiming for every other week and, and we've already recorded a bunch of them and have a great schedule lined up. And, and it's, so I'm, I'm looking forward to rolling out this conversation more, not only between, um, Rey, but also with, with you, the audience engaging, uh, on social media and some different things. So, hey, Rey, where can people find you on social media?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 28:35 I'm almost on all platforms at radio, Miss, r, e. Y, d, e. A. R. M. A. S. Uh, you can catch that in the show notes as well. We'll go ahead and link up to that. I'm on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, et cetera. And so please go ahead and engage us in conversation. Agreed. Disagree. Go ahead and, and let's talk a, and then, especially if you love basketball or marvel stuff, go ahead and follow me. Engage and let's have some fun, man. Let's go.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 28:59 Yeah, he's not kidding about the basketball in the marvel stuff. Um, and, and he, he left out Linkedin, which, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna just let that go. It's okay. Um, linkedin somewhere else, somewhere, somewhere. I use it. Um, I am, um, deerffej a, which is weird. It's actually Jeff read backwards. Uh, so imagine like a, a deer with antlers, a deer, ff e j Jeff Reed backwards. It's in the show notes. It's, it's a lot, uh, shown once is a lot of fun, lot of good resources in there each and every week. But approach us and let's dialogue through this, uh, through the church online. Uh, we create a lot of content in and we help churches wrestle with these things of online church, online ministry, online discipleship, trying to figure out how to utilize this space better to not create, um, a separate ecosystem separate from your existing church, but really to holistically create one ministry of your church that exists in online spaces.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 29:57 And so I'm going to be traveling around speaking at some things, but hit up the website, thechurch.digital for more information on, on the ministry in the organization that's there as well as a ton of blogs, uh, in, in resources that, that are there that we're creating that really just will help, hopefully inspire, uh, hopefully educate, hopefully encourage, um, and then hopefully give you some ammunition that doesn't match with all the woes, all house. But, uh, so hopefully, uh, you know, give you some, some inspiration or ammunition as you go out there and have these conversations with your, with your leaders and your leadership teams and your lead pastors flushing through what church online can and should be. So well, hey Rey, any, any closing thoughts while we land this plane?
  
  
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  Rey DeArmas: 30:44 Yeah, absolutely. Just want to encourage those of you who are catching us for the first time. Stay with us on the journey. And when I, while I also encourage you, we're all trying, we're all new at this. And so if you're sitting here, you know, asking yourself, well, I'm brand new and I don't know what I'm doing, we want to continue to encourage you, keep trying new things, keep testing the waters, continue to create community online. We're going to, we're going to wrestle with this relationship between content and community and talk about what it's all about. Keep trying to create community online with your people and engage them spiritually. You're going to have a great time doing it.
  
  
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  Jeff Reed: 31:17 Amen. Remember, people will come in online spaces and, and, and I've seen this and I've heard multiple people say it. People will connect to community before they connect to Christ online. So utilize those opportunities to create opportunity. Rey. Hey man, thanks for joining in for the show. My name is Jeff Reed and, uh, it's been a pleasure to be with you and looking forward to seeing you next again here. Hopefully soon on the church digital podcast. Y'All have a good day.
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                    Church, through Church Online and Discipleship Online, we have an opportunity to help John reach his friends for Christ (even though John lives on the other side of the country).
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                    But Church, if we don't disciple John, we will turn John into a consumer of Church. John has recently accepted Christ watching your sermon online, and we the Church have not discipled John. We've not connected John into a Biblical Community. We've not answered John's questions. What we have done is given John more sermons to consume. 
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                    John's story, in today's culture, is inevitable. It's unavoidable. Rather than avoiding this digital mission field, what if the Church embraced it? What if, instead of ignoring John, the Church discipled him via Church Online?
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                    Why do we do Church Online? What if the "why" was to reach John? What would our Church Online look like? What would our Church look like?
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                    Technology can create environments of isolation. How does this impact the Church? While some would say this is the reason why Church Online is not healthy, I would argue that this is the exact reason Church Online is needed... assuming you answer this one question correctly.
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                    If the endgame of Church Online is to create a self-contained religious ecosystem, I give pause, as I believe Church Online self-contained creates isolation. DJ Soto was a pioneer in this area by creating
  
  
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  , a church environment completely reimagined utilizing VR technology. All aspects of the church exist in the virtual realm. I've talked with DJ about his specific church, and how to battle church-in-isolation. I went in a doubter, a critic of the idea. I walked away believer in the idea, because of one caveat. 
  
  
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                    Morpheus was right. Humans cannot live in a digital world only. We need physical interaction. Similarly, Biblical Community can and does happen in digital spaces, but this community is not self-sufficient. Humans need physical interaction to separate from loneliness or isolation. This begs the question: 
  
  
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                    Church, our Online Communities aim should be to impact the digital realm, but also resource our digital attenders with the Gospel for the physical realm. We must empower our digital attender with the understanding that the spiritual life exists physically, not just virtually.
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                    There's a larger aim that the Church needs to realize in context of Church Online. As we're discovering through the USA Today article, digital communities alone are not healthy. Self-contained communities, in online context, can cause isolation (especially if physical community isn't available). Church, let's use the strength of Online Technologies to create community, but use these communities to impact the physical realm. What if we encouraged our Church Online to not create self-contained, self-focused Biblical Communities, but instead discipled these people to reach into their physical environment with the Gospel? Have we not just created a disciple of Jesus?
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                    Church, maybe it's time to re-aim our Church Online. Are we unintentionally creating church-in-isolation? Or are we creating environments that will make disciples? 
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                    {{cta('d0831845-fbad-4523-b1b4-9c8b48e4cc45','justifyright')}}If a Church follows a discipleship model, suddenly the people who attend our church services are trained and empowered with the Gospel, ready to share with their friends and co-workers. 
  
  
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                    So, after three blog posts and twelve points, can the Church Planting Manifesto be the guidelines for an effective Church Online? I think so. Church Online operates best when it's not about broadcasting personalities or brands, but when it's distributing the Gospel over a virtual network, discipling people across the city or around the world. In this situation, which is typically the heart of Church Plants, Church Online operates best when it's held to these Church Planting standards.
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                    Church, take a chance on Church Online. See it as an opportunity to reclaim discipleship in the Church. To the 
  
  
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  05. Planting churches that bear witness to the redemptive presence of the Kingdom of God in the world requires a holistic engagement of the community with the whole gospel.

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                    James 1:22 - Do not merely listen to the word [ONLINE] and so deceive yourself. Do what it says [IN THE REAL WORLD.]
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    What if a local church utilized Church Online as the vehicle to create to plant churches? Instead of teaching our people to be teachers/preachers first, we taught them to be shepherds first? What if we empowered these shepherds to do church anywhere in our city... in homes, in office conference rooms, in prisons, in hospitals. What if we utilized Church Online to create micro-locations, taking the church to the people?
  
  
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                    Crazy? Probably. But First Capital Christian in Indiana is doing it, and growing tangibly at a rampant rate, due to Church Online. 
  
  
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  01. Prayer and obedience to the Holy Spirit in light of the Word of God take priority over systems and structures. (Luke 6:12-16; Acts 16:6-10)

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   Sure! I've never known prayer to stop working cause it's on a technological platform. Heart of this point is that Church Planting isn't about a denominational system, or network formula. It's not a process.  It's about people passionately following after the Holy Spirit. 
  
  
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  02. Church planting is both the impulse and the result of multiplying disciples who hear and obey God. (John 10:27; Romans 15:18)

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  04. Planting contextually-appropriate churches will require much innovation and risk-taking, and much of this new learning will come from the Church from around the world. (2 Corinthians 4:7-12; Romans 1:8-15)

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                    It's a great time to be a fan of Church Online. Within the past month national attention has been drawn to the controversial topic.
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                    March brings another FoxNews OpEd, from Church Online's favorite YouTubing Aussie Dave Adamson with a dramatic article: 
  
  
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                    In some ways I understand the nay-sayers surrounding Church Online. So often Church Online becomes the world of "engaging content." Biblically, church, we're not called to create content. We're called to create disciples. And while our content is helpful, it's the means (not the end) to Church Online. Losing site of discipleship, the relational aspect of church, is exactly why people are afraid of Church Online. It's not about the technology; it's about the perceived loss of community. The nay-sayers are right... because we've lost sight of the relational aspect of Church Online.
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                    Those of you doing ministry in these virtual spaces, don't lose sight of our "why". Our endgame, our goal isn't technology. It's not content. God called us to go create disciples, and the digital mission field is ripe for the harvest.
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                    So I met Andrea in a Facebook Group when she said she had documented examples showing the success of Online Groups. Andrea  is the Online Community Director over at The Ridge Community Church, and after talking with Andrea, I've asked her to share some information about the spiritual growth of an individual Online Small Group. Add The Ridge Community to the 
  
  
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                    For us, however, the question became: How do we help enable spiritual growth for those who are unable to meet in a face-to-face environment? Providing an opportunity to meet digitally is our answer, which we do through online small groups. We are following Jesus’ lead to meet people where they are… many of whom are online.
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                    Discipleship through technology is not an easy decision to make. Once you wrestle through the logistical considerations, which often end up being choices made based on resources and bandwidth, you still have the “people” side of the equation to figure out. Those challenging, philosophical questions are much harder to discern. Most importantly, how to intentionally use technology to help group members:
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                    When we started our online group 15 months ago each member was asked to complete an assessment to help us understand where they currently were in their faith journey. We recently retook the assessment. Here’s what we found:
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                    This video was made by the members of the online Ridge Group that I lead. It was not scripted, and we didn’t do multiple takes. Instead, each of us simply shared the impact this group has had on us which have included: personal discovery, close friendships, excitement for each gathering, and deeper connection to our church.
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                    While we’ve seen tremendous results, we aren’t done yet. We are still figuring this area of ministry out, including looking at new opportunities to further blend our online and offline experiences together even more.
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                    Through the use of technology we have another method to bring people together in relationship with God, with each other and with those who don’t know Jesus yet. It is an extension of Sunday service that can happen anytime, anywhere and with any device.
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                    So the Online Audience was receptive to getting connected to Virtual Biblical Community. But then North Point did something surprising. They opened up their Digital Groups to people who attended at the Local Campus. Here’s what happened:
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                    {{cta('d0831845-fbad-4523-b1b4-9c8b48e4cc45','justifyright')}}Church, in order to be effective, we must engage on the Physical and Digital side of the coin. Church Online is a piece of that puzzle. But how can we use Church Online to its fullest? In the eBook “
  
  
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                    I was talking with a Church Online staff person recently. He is new in his role, and wanted to talk about how to take some next steps for his Church Online. I asked him a basic question that has unfortunately confounded many churches lately.
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                    I love asking this question of churches. The majority of the time the question for this isn’t clear… Remember, 
  
  
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                    Oftentimes there’s division. Differentiating ideas. Who would have thought that Church Online would be so subversive to the current vision of a local church? Lead Pastor wants his message broadcast across the world for people to see. Executive Pastor doesn’t see purpose behind it and wants to focus on ministry at physical campuses. And, in the middle, the lone Church Online guy desires to create small group/discipleship opportunities online.
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                    Bringing clarity is important. In this story, none of the people are wrong. They are driven by different motives. It’s understanding those motives, and finding the common ground, is how we solve this problem.
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                    We all are driven by motives… by defaults. The leader is one who can navigate through those defaults to find solutions that make all parties happy, or make difficult decisions when no happy solution is possible. In the midst of seasons of blurry, take the opportunity to gain clarity.
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                    Friends of Church Online, right now this is the space we minister in. Ask your leadership what is the win for Church Online, and use that to facilitate a conversation. 
  
  
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                    Church Online person, it’s on you to bring clarity to blurry situations. Discover the why, then go after the established vision with all you have!
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                    I remember the conversation vividly. I was a Communications Director on staff at a multisite church. I'm sitting with the Local Missions Pastor, talking about a citywide serve initiative the church was heading into. Like any good Communications Director, I investigated the initiative... How many opportunities across the city? How many people were needed? But then the Local Missions Pastor shocked me by saying: "
  
  
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                    What does serving locally look like for "Only Door" people? It's not necessarily a global database listing service projects around the world where they can sign up. That's not going to happen for a number of logistical issues. Nope, Church Online's role is to:
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                    If the Church decentralizes ministry, if our experts train people to do ministry instead of doing ministry themselves... all of a sudden Church Online is capable of explosive, exponential growth because instead of fishing for people... we taught them to fish, for themselves.
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                    Image 1,000 Local Mission Directors scattered around the country creating their own Local Service Projects? Imagine 10. Either way, you church's influence is spread beyond the geographical limitations of your physical campus, and you're creating environments where people can feed themselves, even if they are on the other side of the planet.
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                    {{cta('d0831845-fbad-4523-b1b4-9c8b48e4cc45','justifyright')}}This is a great example of what could happen if Church Online grew up. What else can happen if Church Online realizes it's capable of more than just spiritual milk? Check out our 
  
  
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                    So what happens if we spend this year focused on Church Online? What would our Church Online look like next year? Check out our blog series 
  
  
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                    I'm enthralled with Judah Smith's Churchome movement, mainly because it's so cutting edge. Well, "cutting edge" by Church standards. Sure, the business world has been thriving with new digital strategies for the past decade, but it's exciting to see a church go all-in on the Church Online movement.
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     today’s tech-driven world, God’s teachings and lessons cannot, are not, and should not be confined to a brick-and-mortar building with four walls. Considering that nearly 70 percent of people worldwide are mobile phone users, and a whopping 86 percent of millennials have a smartphone, this means engaging them on their mobile devices on a 24/7/365-basis.
  
  
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                    Sharing is the key phrase here. Church Online and Christianity's eventual digital movement will break down the physical walls of the church. Rather than doing the "come and see" mentality where people come and see a church service in a building, an effective Church Online will move people outside those walls empowering them to "go and do." Church buildings are incredibly effective buildings for doing ministry, but unto themselves are a lid.
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                    We can keep building larger buildings, and launching more campuses/locations. All this is effective. We can hire more church staff and expect attenders to come learn from these hired-experts in Christianity. But I believe a true movement of God is waiting for a church that embraces Church Online to the extent it decentralizes ministry and starts creating disciples who actively share the Gospel on their own, independent of the church building but still under the umbrella of the Church. God, may today's Church embrace technological advances in the same way the historical church took advantage of what it had to offer!
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                    Gospel-minded innovators have to explore technological advances before they're adopted by mainstream Church. And that's the realm we're in today... To the Gospel-minded innovators out there: you are not alone! With humility, keep paving the road, not for today's Church, but for tomorrow's Church.
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                    Thank you Judah Smith!
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                    As much as people stand against the idea of Church Online, the technological culture shift is happening, and the void left by the absent church is complexing... quoting Judah from the Fox News opinion article:
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    There may be some who believe that a technology-based church platform negates the communal gathering aspect of in person services. Some may also feel that it will further isolate people from attending church. And some may even view it as the death knell for physical church – who will want to come to Sunday service if they can stay at home and attend remotely in their pajamas?
  
    
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    As lead pastors of a growing and thriving multi-site church in Washington State and Los Angeles, we still believe in a brick-and-mortar church. But by embracing technology, we are able to intimately and intentionally connect with a global audience and ensure that every woman, man, boy and girl – every age, every race – has an opportunity to find a home in God... Indeed, technology does not isolate people from church; it allows church to reach those that are isolated and to do so in new and exciting ways.
  
    
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                    Pastor Judah, thank you for taking a risk. Thank you for recognizing the potential and investing in Church Online.
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                    Stadia is getting ready to launch another round of their Phygital Learning Communities. Almost 70 churches right now are learning how to THRIVE, GROW, and MULTIPLY. We want to help your church learn how physical and digital can work together to achieve your mission and vision, meanwhile letting your Church, Online, be authentically you. Phygital Learning Communities are starting soon. Check out 
  
  
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                    Plenty of churches broadcast their services online. Take your service and put it on Facebook Live. It's super-easy. Why not do this? Our traffic reports show us people are watching, but who are they? What are they looking for? Let's dig in while we look at the three different types of people who attend Church Online.
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                    This is the easiest, and most tolerable group for churches today. Front Door people are those who are interested in visiting your physical campuses, but want to check out your Church Online first to see if they like your physical church service. Maybe they received an invite card from a friend, or saw something on social media or the website. Typically, churches who only want to reach the front door attender want to connect these people to the physical campus to do ministry. Often, the underlying philosophy with the church is that 
  
  
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                    This happens more than most churches care to admit. Side Door people are those who are already connected at your physical campus. For whatever reason they could not attend physically any given week, and rather than missing the service they are watching online. Maybe they're on a vacation or business trip, or have a sick child and unable to leave the house... maybe they are staying at home in their pajamas staying on the couch this Sunday. For most churches, this is perceived as good, and bad. For some churches, they love people that can stay connected, but they 
  
  
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                    For the church, this is often a controversial group of people. Digital Door people are people who do not attend your physical location church, or anyone's physical location church for that matter. The Church often perceives these people as those with physical limitations, social issues, time constraints... whatever the issue is Digital Door people have connected with you and your church. As much as 
  
  
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  , Digital Door people are more than these stereotypes. The best part of Digital Door people is they have, without any work from the church, bought into the church's DNA. They believe the mission and vision of your church. What they need is for the church to disciple them... to help them develop spiritually just like the church would at their physical locations.
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    The key to reaching Digital Door people is to meet them! They are used to attending Church Online in isolation, which is horrible. Discover who they are. Meet them. Put a name to the stat on the traffic report. Encourage them to be part of a Discipleship Pathway designed to help them grow deeper in their faith. Create a Biblical Community.
  
  
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                    Whether you like it or not, the Digital Door people are there. If you are effective reaching Front Door people online, you will impact Digital Door people who cannot make it to a campus. Church, remember, we're responsible for their life change as much as we are at the physical locations. What's the plan?
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                    {{cta('d0831845-fbad-4523-b1b4-9c8b48e4cc45','justifyright')}}For many of us, it's time for Church Online to grow up! We've been broadcasting our services for a while now, but there's a next step... and that is to tackle biblical community online as well as discipleship online. How do you get started? Download our eBook 
  
  
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      <description>Recently I was a guest on Youth Ministry Sidekick, a podcast hosted by Tom Pounder. Tom is a huge supporter of Church Online, as many churches across America give the Student Ministry guy the "added responsibility" of managing Church Online. It's always fun to jump on the podcast with Tom and talk through different philosophies.
For this podcast we focused on the new blog series I've been writing this year: Church Online in 2020, as well as the new eBook I launched: What Happens When Church Online Grows Up. The conversation was filled with practical ideas for how to take that next step away from JUST BROADCASTING SERVICES online, but creating DISCIPLES online.
So, check out YM SIDEKICK to hear more from me, and if you're interested in Tom Pounder, check out his Ministry/Technology Facebook Group, Digital Bootcamp.</description>
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                    Recently I was a guest on Youth Ministry Sidekick, a podcast hosted by Tom Pounder. Tom is a huge supporter of Church Online, as many churches across America give the Student Ministry guy the "added responsibility" of managing Church Online. It's always fun to jump on the podcast with Tom and talk through different philosophies.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2019 19:14:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    The future is here! It's 2019, and with it comes time to question things anew. Because the answers we got yesterday may not be the right answers today.
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                    Church Online should not, no... it cannot become a virtual building. Do not copy/paste your Physical Building Church and do it in Online Spaces. The distrust some churches have is because we try to force Physical Church Ministry into Church Online. Of course we're going to feel like it's competing. In all likelyhood it is!
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                    Physical Churches looking for Church Online to complement its ministry (and not "replace" its ministry) will look for Church Online to become a vehicle for discipleship. Want to see your Online Ministry flourish? Use it to equip people with the Gospel. What are we equipping them to do? Answer questions like this (borrowed from 
  
  
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                    Can this training be provided through meetings or gatherings physically? Probably. Several benefits here: 1) easier to schedule/meet virtually 2) decentralizing dependence upon meeting physically allows the equipping reach to go further/reach newer areas.
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                    Church, social media isn't meant for long interactions. It's meant to be a gateway, a portal, a platform that connects people to an idea... Some use social media as a political platform to share their feelings towards politicians or worldly injustices. There's much hate right now in social media. We've all seen it. We know it's there. Church. we are called to be a light in the darkness. Be that light! Our calling, however, doesn't stop when that person likes our Facebook post or follows us on Instagram. Keep going!
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                    Congratulations! Church, you got someone in a different time zone than you to follow your Facebook Page. Well done. But other than the follow, what do we know of this person? Are they spiritually struggling? Do they fully understand the Gospel? If our goal was getting them to follow us on Facebook, then we as a Church are not shepherding them. 
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                    Let's keep using this Facebook follower from another time zone example. How is your church shepherding/caring for this person spiritually? He's a time zone away, he's not showing up at your Physical Campus! Church, as we continue to develop our Online Ministries, we have to develop our Discipleship Systems Online. Invite your Facebook follower from another time zone into an Online Small Group. Facebook message him directly and invite him into a Facebook Group where you are praying together and discussing the Church Online services. Host a Facebook Watch Party and invite a bunch of people to experience an Online Church Service together! All of these options, though, require more work to be done than just creating a post that gets a like. You'll find yourself building relationships with these people online. This is the truest form of the word 
  
  
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                    I'll admit it, sometimes when I'm explaining Church Online to someone I get the blank stare look... the look that. well. they're just not ready for this concept yet.
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                    People who live in within 20 miles of your church or outside of those 20 miles? Is the physical campuses threatened by growth of the online campus? Will people stay on the couch and watch, and no longer attend at the campus?Instead of seeing the Online Campus as a resource, physical campuses sometimes see it as a hindrance, or worse yet a threat!.
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                    Do you fund out of a campus budget which is dictated by the amount of funding coming in exclusively from the online audience? Even though online resources can benefit all attenders? This mindset limits online's opportunity to be a resource for THE ENTIRE CHURCH, not just those who don't attend a physical campus.
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                    The takeaway here is simple, Don't limit the impact of Church Online to a subset of your church so only a select group of people can benefit from it. 
  
  
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                    Several things here: First off, the church will realize that the typical 40 minute sermon doesn't connect well in online environments. Church, how the world communicates has changed over the years. Our online attention spans have evolved, unfortunately shrinking. Facebook is 2-3 minutes. YouTube is 5 minutes. Even Instagram's IGTV experiment of 10 minute videos has failed. 
  
  
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                    In many churches across America, a ton of effort goes into one hour on Sunday. As a guy who's spent many years of his life creating these worship environments, I celebrate those of you who do this hard work. But church is more than the one hour weekly service, right? Churches may do it differently, but anyone who calls themselves a bible-based church will put some effort into creating biblical community as well as opportunities to give and serve within the church. Read through the biblical model of a church, I see very little that reflects our typical weekend service and I see a ton that drives us towards community and discipleship that happens (usually) outside of the typical church service. (
  
  
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                    There are 168 hours every week. If Church Online is more than a church, online, we are called to do more than the one hour on Sunday. Through online the church has access to people virtually 168 hours a week. We need to think larger than one hour on Sunday.
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                    {{cta('d0831845-fbad-4523-b1b4-9c8b48e4cc45','justifyleft')}}Church Online needs to grow up. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. Churches will recognize the Digital Mission Field before us and healthy churches will engage Church Online in a whole new way. Want a sneak peak? Check out the 
  
  
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                    Ultimately, address and overcome issues like these. Discipling, shepherding, ministering to people online doesn't END with our church services... it STARTS with our church services.
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                    So, what's next? While you may not have the final answer today, take the time to have a conversation on your church's digital strategy. Not sure how to start the conversation? Check out the eBook "
  
  
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      <title>Nine Blogs That Will Help Your Church (Online) Grow in 2019</title>
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      <description>As 2018 comes to a close, we look forward to the New Year. Let's make 2019 the year of Church Online, where we intentionally focus on expanding our circle of influence beyond the 20 miles surrounding our physical campuses. Here are nine blogs that can help you take intentional steps to grow your Church Online in 2019.

NY Times Slams Internet Church, and They're Not Wrong
Are You a Church Online? The Difference Between Digital Communications and Digital Missions
Five Roles That Will Take Your Church Online to the Next Level
I'm Not Saying Facebook Has Become the Titanic, But...
Church. Heads Up. There's Only One Blockbuster Video Left in America.
What My Mother Can Teach You About Online Small Groups
How Church Online Impacted Multiple Generations of Churches on the Other Side of the Planet
Five Ways Church Online Can Help You Launch Your Next Multisite or Church Plant
Seven Things You Can Do to Improve Your Online Church ServiceBONUS: Well, we couldn't really cap it at nine, could we? Here's an additional two for churches who are just getting started in Church Online.
Ten Things You Want Your Pastor to Know About Online Church
Five Questions You Should Ask Before You Launch Your Church Online

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                    It's a well-known fact to the Church Online world: Chat Hosts serve as the Guest Services of Church Online. If you've ever been a Chat Host, you've personally experienced one of the most rewarding, most frustrating roles of Church Online. Chat Hosts are literally on the frontlines of the digital mission field, and it's a hard battle. Here's what we know:
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                    So, even if the viewers are not chatting, Chat Hosting does make a difference. It's easy for the Chat Host to feel like they're talking in an empty room, but for Church Online the Chat Host is as vital as that Greeter in the physical location lobby or that person working the Guest &amp;amp; Information Center Desk.
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      <description>A couple days ago the New York Times published an opinion on the Internet Church movement. Simply titled, Internet Church isn't Really Church, writer Laura Turner examines popular movements of Church Online (including Life.church, Connexus Church, even Judah Smith's Churchome).

It's an excellent article. If you're involved in ministry, especially online ministry, you'll want to check out the article. Believe it or not, I agree with a lot of what she says. Well, at least where Laura discusses her perception of what Internet Church is... today.
People view Church Online as a replacement for physical church. "I'm lazy today. It's too much work to dress up in Sunday best... I'm going to sit here on my couch in my pajamas and watch Church Online." And while this may be the prevailing view of Church Online today, the church is capable of so much more. Yes, Church Online is misunderstood in it's infancy. But there's potential worth fighting for.
Remember, Church Online isn't a virtual building. It will not replace the physical building. It is a virtual network to share the gospel.
Want a Biblical perspective? Ironically right before the NY Times article I released an eBook: What Happens When Church Online Grows Up? The book addresses many of the questions and issues raised in the NYT article, but paints the picture of a viable online ministry model that forward thinking churches can use to not only reach, but disciple, people online. So, download the book and let the conversation begin!
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     The book addresses many of the questions and issues raised in the NYT article, but paints the picture of a viable online ministry model that forward thinking churches can use to not only reach, but disciple, people online. So, download the book and let the conversation begin!
  
  
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      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:59:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    Christmas is here! Churches across the country are prepping final details for their Christmas Eve services, making sure that everything is right. After all, churches will see a significant increase in attendance Christmas weekend... But, what about Church Online?
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                    In my experience I've seen Church Online have mixed attendance over the years during the Christmas holiday... there have been times where it wasn't well attended, but there have been times when we intentionally focused on Church Online. These seasons saw growth that eventually became a tent-pole allowing for future growth in subsequent years. 
  
  
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  . At a next level church online, Online Groups become a phenomenal way to reach new people while also challenging existing Christians on a deeper level. Your Online Groups Director provides discipleship training, as well as vision, to your volunteer group leaders. Initially this role can be covered by the Online Pastor, but as the church online expands it may be necessary to split this responsibility into two different roles.
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  . Similar to the Online Groups Director, this job will cast vision to the volunteers and staff involved with the physical locations, as well as be a bridge between the smaller locations and the physical church. Initially managed by the Online Groups Director, as this concept matures within your church online the need for someone to lead out in this area will become more apparent. A next level church online will take advantage of this opportunity to work with leadership on where to launch these locations. 
  
  
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                    This weekend I was volunteering as a Video Director for one of my church clients, when the Lead Pastor said something that stuck with me for a couple days now.
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                    That idea stuck with me. In my physical life I've always tried to make humility one of my highest values. (
  
  
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      <description>I had the opportunity to be on another podcast this week, talking about a fun topic for me... What does it look like to do Church Online specifically for Kids? What started out of a interesting topic in a Facebook Group turned into the beginning of a conversation via podcast.
My kids (currently 10 &amp; 8) watch the same content over, and over, and over again. If I watch one more episode of Dog with a Blog... Church, consider developing a Kids Ministry that reaches kids more than just that one hour on Sunday. Create and distribute content that kids can tap into all week, not just Sunday morning. What better opportunity to help kids grow deeper in their faith. Not to mention, when my daughter wakes up at 4am, I'd rather her grab her iPad and watch Church Online for Kids than watch Dog with a Blog...
Check out the podcast on YM Sidekick, and thanks to Tom Pounder of Digital Bootcamp for hosting. Also, shout out to good friend Bobby Shaw from Austin Ridge to discuss the Online Ministry from Kids (and Students) perspective.</description>
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                    Many of the churches I work with do something during the Halloween season to actively engage within the community. Fall Festival, Trunk or Treat, Block Party... the philosophy here is to get people on your church campus. Couple big wins here, especially for family ministries: 
  
  
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                    If you're like most churches, chances are your church is putting a lot of energy and effort into creating ministry opportunities for your physical locations. But what about your Church Online? What ministry opportunities exist there?
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                    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}We're weeks away from Christmas 2018. So, what's your plan? This Christmas, how can you help your online audience engage in the digital mission of your Church Online? Need help? Click the button.
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    So here’s what I want you to do, God helping you: Take your everyday, ordinary life—your sleeping, eating, going-to-work, and walking-around life—and place it before God as an offering. Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Don’t become so well-adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking. Instead, fix your attention on God. You’ll be changed from the inside out. Readily recognize what he wants from you, and quickly respond to it. Unlike the culture around you, always dragging you down to its level of immaturity, God brings the best out of you, develops well-formed maturity in you.
  
    
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  A while back, when I was an Online Pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami, I received an email from someone in Kenya. We've all been there, right? The Prince in Kenya who needs $50,000 wired to him so he can gain access to his $20million. Wire him a loan, and he'll share his wealth. I vividly remember starting to click on the "junk" icon in gmail when I realized: 
  
    
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    Patrick, a paramedic, and his wife, a teacher, live in Nairobi, Kenya. They started a church in their home and then shifted to a rented space in a poor area of the city when the church outgrew their home. Patrick realized that he needed training and Bible teaching to effectively lead the new church and minister to the new believers at the church. He began watching the online services of a church in the U.S. and submitted an online connection card.
  
    
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                    I was coming back to my house, after an early morning breakfast meeting. It was probably 9:15am as I walked towards my front door when I discovered a butterfly fluttering hysterically. The butterfly had gotten stuck in a spider's web and was frantically trying to get unstuck. Meanwhile, the spider was sizing up the butterfly for what I can only image would be a mid-morning brunch on my front porch.
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                    I'll have you know, audience out there, in that moment I manned up! Quite literally mumbling under my breath "Not on my watch" I marched up to that spider web and as carefully as I could rip the spider web that was holding the butterfly trapped. The butterfly weakly fluttered a couple feet to the ground, perched itself on a blade of grass, and as near as I could tell was resting while occasionally moving its wings. Assuming I was the hero, I went in my house enabled, empowered, even telling my wife of how I heroically swept in saving the butterfly.
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                    Three hours later, somewhere around lunchtime I ran out the house to head off to meet with another client when I discovered: that butterfly hadn't moved in three hours. He still remained perched on the same blade of grass, but wasn't moving his wings much at this point. I knelt down and nudged the butterfly onto my hand for a closer look.
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                    What I quickly discovered was the right wing had some remnants of spider web on it. By ripping the spider web a chunk of the web clunked up on the butterfly's wing. The added weight was too much from the Butterfly's muscles. He couldn't fly. I inserted myself into the situation again. Grasping his wing firmly, yet as fragile as possible, I pulled the spider web clump off his wing, hoping to not tear any infrastructure off his wing.
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                    Once completed, I expected to see the butterfly fly away happily, free from the torment that had been the past three hours. He was free from the spider web shackles. Instead, he just sat there on the brick pavers in my yard. Honestly, I wasn't sure if he was dead or too tired to move... but I knew I was late for my business meeting, so I left him there. When I came back at the end of the day, the butterfly was not to be found.
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                    Hey Church Communicators. We all love Facebook, right? What's not to love? It's easy to engage users through comments on posts and Facebook Messenger. Content on Facebook is easily sharable. Facebook Events make it very easy for churches to publicize outward facing events to the surrounding public. All this, and I haven't even gotten to the explosion of churches who are now broadcasting their services on Facebook Live. On the outside, Facebook is doing a lot right on their platform.
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                    If you're curious, the younger demographic is leading the way, with 44% of the 18-29 demographic deleting the app from their phone. Similarly, 
  
  
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                    What does this mean? Well, Facebook at one time was the catch all platform. You could use Facebook to reach everyone. Those days are gone. We can debate what caused the mass exodus, but we'll leave that to the social media sociologists. Millennials are done with Facebook. The rest of us? Well, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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                    What about stalwarts like Facebook (51% use, 10% most often) and Twitter (32% use, 3% most often)? They've quickly aging out of relevancy.
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                    Remember, the rules of Snapchat and YouTube are not the same as Facebook. You're not going to be able to insert your 45min sermon into Snapchat. And YouTube? The average YouTube vid is under 5 min. To embrace these platforms, the Church needs to learn the platforms strengths and weaknesses, and develop a Digital Communications Strategy to utilize them effectively..
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                    One of my favorite parts of the job here at THECHURCH.DIGITAL is helping churches take the next step technologically. We can always upgrade cameras, or video switchers, or PA systems. But no matter how high-tech a church's gear becomes, no matter how the desire for high-quality product becomes, there's one asset the church cannot buy: Volunteers.
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                    Church, whether in Digital, Online, Live Production, Creative, Communications.... volunteers are the life-blood of our ministry. 
  
  
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                    To reach volunteers effectively, you need all three levels. Tech Volunteers need to be challenged technically, nurtured personally, and nourished spiritually.
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                    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}Church, the challenge is yours. Are we leading our tech volunteers on all three levels? What are we lacking in? How can THECHURCH.DIGITAL help? Click the button.
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                    There are roughly 384,000 evangelical churches in America today. Experts guesstimate there are only 100 of them that are doing some form of Online Discipleship. That's quite the disparity. 
  
  
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                    I recently spoke with a Pastor who was adamant that Biblical Community can't be created online. It had to be in person. After hearing from this Pastor I knew there was one person who could answer this question, and I've asked her to write about it. I'm excited about this guest blogger... my mother! Linda Reed is a retired 
  
  
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    “I have found that being in an Online Small Group has increased my spiritual power, encouragement, wisdom, and it is helping equip me to continue the work God wants me to carry out! I have a strong love for each and every lady in our group! Each one helps multiply my insight and learning. It is also a time of laughter, new friendships, sometimes tears, but always encouragement and prayer. I marvel at how we can connect from so far away.  They all bring a smile to my face at the when we meet.”
  
  
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    “I have to say that this bible study time means so much to me because often time I feel so alone in the physical realm. Through bible study not only do we fellowship with others just like Christ said he wanted us to do but we also get to walk this walk with other fellow Christians. We get to lift each other up when the chips are down. Thank you for your leadership. For someone like me who grew up without a mother.. your spirit is exactly what I need in my life.”
  
  
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      <author>andy@thechurch.digital (Andy Mage)</author>
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    Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and soon Apple are moving beyond content distributors to becoming content creators. As major tech companies battle in the fight for our attention, we local churches need to ask ourselves if we might be moving in the same direction. Recent strides in technology have allowed us to distribute our sermons all over cyberspace. Podcasts, YouTube, Facebook Live, and Church Online Platform are now serving as hubs for our visitors and attenders to receive content created by our pastors in an effort to reach people for Christ. While this has made distribution of our content easy and provided a nice preview of what to expect for visitors, it is not what the local church was designed for. We are called to make disciples.
  
    
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    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}Church, if you are wrestling with your Online strategy, or how you communicate it, we would love to help. Click the button.
  
    
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      <description>In a tweet, Nona Jones and Pushpay clearly encapsulated an idea that I've been wrestling with for years.


— Pushpay (@Pushpay) August 16, 2018
Pastors, utilizing social media is vital to your church's ministry. From a marketing perspective, connecting with the sphere of influence your church has in your town or city is vital. For most of you, this is not a surprise.
Church, there's another untapped mission field we've yet to realize. Doing true "ministry" online is more than pushing people to your physical buildings for church services. In Matthew 28, Jesus didn't set up a model of ministry for "come and see", but "go and do." Online isn't just a powerful marketing tool inviting people to come and see, but a powerful ministry tool allowing us an opportunity to go to people and do discipleship.
Church, is it possible to disciple someone online? What does your church's discipleship process look like in an Online space? What is Online Discipleship anyway? 
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We would love to help your church wrestle with these questions. Click the button.
Thanks Nona, for pushing the limits of online discipleship, and thank you Pushpay for striving for innovation within the church.</description>
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      <description>Online Church isn't a replacement of the Physical Church.
it is a very strong complement to the Physical Church (when done right).
The 70 minute experience doesn’t work online
I'm a video guy, literally spending 20 years of my life producing live video for churches. The attention span on YouTube is 3-5 minutes. Same with Facebook. Instagram is less than a minute, or 10 minutes with IGTV. TV shows are either 22 or 44 minutes, sans commercial breaks. Even Netflix, with all their original content cap their episodic material around an hour, and that's a highly produced with a high level of production tied in. If we're really interested in reaching the world, a 40+ minute message as part of a 70+ online experience isn't effective.
Online, People connect to Community before Christ
This is the exact opposite from our Physical Churches. People accept Christ in pews across America each week, but more often than not, effective evangelism online happens in small groups, not in the broadcast of the service online.
Maybe as a result of the "fake news" movement, but there is a movement of distrust among people regHow do you build trust? Not by talking loudly, but by engaging, by listening to people online.
Online Relationships are as impactful as Physical Relationships
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Church Online isn’t about your church’s ministry, but empowering individuals to do ministry
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Church Online isn’t about reaching the masses, but about reaching the individual
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    Interestingly, a lot has changed in the past 25 years, yet the church hasn't kept up. Churches use technology to megaphone our message around the world, transmitting our sermons of hope for all to hear.
  
  
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    But technology has grown in 25 years. The Online Movement is not just one of transmitting one-way communication, but engaging in two-way communication. Today we can not just talk TO people, but talk WITH people, We can do more than just broadcast sermons of hope en masse... but engage, talk, 
    
    
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                    Church, to engage people online is to listen to them. Engaging people online means your inviting them to speak and you showing that you care about what they have to say. Create opportunities and environments where people can share on a personal, intimate level where they are in life. Like Billy, we are called to reach the world, sharing (as Billy said) that "in the midst of chaos, emptiness, and despair there is a hope in the person of Jesus Christ." In 2018 however, unlike 1995, the best way to do that is through an engaging conversation.
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                    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}So, in 2018, how truly engaging is your church? Is Digital Communications a megaphone, or a telephone? Need help taking these next steps? Click the button.
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                    Church, the rules changed on us. They always do, mind you. But this is a substantial shift that many churches have yet to overcome.
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  . The Facebook algorithm is shifting. Evidently Facebook thinks that users are seeing too much content from Publishers and Brands. Maybe it's backlash from so much fake news (cough cough satire) being broadcast to users. Maybe frustrations have become too much as Social Media battles continue daily in it's news feed. Maybe photos of Aunt Judy's Pistachio Pudding are less controversial and Facebook's finally waving the white flag of surrender.
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    So, now when you log into Facebook, that's what you get... Aunt Judy's Pistachio Pudding, and anything else that your Facebook Friends are talking about. Church communicators are feeling the pinch already, causing some experts to even question if Church Social Media is worth the investment. 
    
    
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      , and we will walk through your Social Media channels and help you find that answer!
    
    
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   Churches, Organizations, Brands, Publishers, Businesses... we're already feeling the pinch from Facebook's "Mute" button. Besides, we live in an era where there is so much distrust of information that comes online. People will not outright trust information online. But, there's a simple way to combat this that many churches out there have yet to address. Remember your Aunt Judy? What if you get Aunt Judy to stop talking about her pistachio pudding, instead get her talking about your Church.
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                    Here's the challenge. The people who follow your church on Social Media are already aware of you. They've likely been to your church, or visited online. There is value in communicating with those people. But Aunt Judy, she has a bunch of friends and family who follow her on Facebook, and they likely don't know anything about your church. What if we as a church 
  
  
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    Church, what if you encouraged, empowered, and even created content for the Aunt Judy's of your church to share. 
  
  
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                    I promise you this. You get a church full of Aunt Judy's talking about your church, you'll reach a lot more people than just through your own channels. And it'll most likely be people you wouldn't have access to any other way.
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:41:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>So last week I was on another podcast. Tom Pounder of Digital Bootcamp and YM Sidekick brought me on to talk about Church Online, and the digital mission field open to us today. Many churches do digital communications, but only a few are attacking the digital mission field by doing discipleship online (groups, Bible Studies, etc.)
It was definitely a fun conversation highlighting some simple steps the church can do NOW to embrace discipling people online. Check out Tom's podcast, and if you haven't subscribed to it yet, jump on it.
{{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}Questions on how Online Groups work? Click that button and let us help you take that next step.</description>
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                    It was definitely a fun conversation highlighting some simple steps the church can do NOW to embrace discipling people online. 
  
  
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                    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}Questions on how Online Groups work? Click that button and let us help you take that next step.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:11:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    For the past month, God has set me on a journey. Since resigning my position as Digital Strategist at 
  
  
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  , it has been a thrilling, joyous, tumultuous journey praying and living Proverbs 3. And it's just been 30 days. 
  
  
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    Well, a month in, there is still a lot of unknown. I've had job offers from churches. Good churches. Good positions. But deep down there is this inkling, this urge to say "not yet". Yes, I literally convinced a church to not hire me. And what started as an optional "side hustle" is now the full hustle. 
  
  
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    To that end, I am 100% focused on 
  
  
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    . Headhunters, I'm off the market. Churches, I'd love to help all of you! Support has been phenomenal. Churches have been very receptive, and we are already signing long-term contracts as well as performing short-term audits for churches... essentially helping churches figure out ministry in the digital, technological, and online environment. Surprisingly, strategic partnerships are already forming and I am unbelievably excited by what's ahead. (
    
    
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                    But I digress... Number one question I get from friends: 
  
  
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                    I've been reading of Nehemiah lately. I wrote a blog about it but didn't publish it because I didn't want to over-spiritualize the journey I'm on. But I'll say this: Nehemiah felt God's calling to rebuild the wall. Rightfully so! But that task caused massive kickback from Jerusalem's enemies. So much so that 
  
  
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  tells us that the workers only worked with one hand (the other always stayed on their weapons). Talk about risk. They served God expecting potential death at any moment. Proverbs 3 says "trust God". In light of Nehemiah 4, who am I to question God?
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  God, help the person out there today who is holding on to situations they can control themselves. Allow them to release control, to submit, to trust implicitly who You are. Do something God-sized in all our lives.

  
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                    Are you part of a healthy, active, growing church actively launching multisite campuses or church plants? Church Online is a viable, untapped resource for you. Here are five ways that church online can help you test the waters and even help you pre-launch your next church plant or multisite campus.
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   The strength of Church Online isn't reaching the people 10 minutes away from your physical location. The strength of Church Online is broadening your church's circle of influence geographically, distributing your services to new places digitally. By embracing Church Online, areas that weren't reachable now can be reached. easily.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 05:35:00 GMT</pubDate>
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    We get it. Church Online is a new frontier. It's untapped. It's scary. And it's huge potential for the churches that are willing to take a chance.  So share this primer with your pastor and help your church take some next steps in launching your Online Church.
  
  
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      <title>New Podcast: Exit Interview with an Online Pastor</title>
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      <description>Well, as a former Radio DJ I've always been told I had a face for Radio, I guess I can add Podcasting to the list.

This past week I was interviewed by Jay Kranda, the Online Campus Pastor at Saddleback. He and I have developed a relationship over the years through building Church Online, and I'm proud to call him a friend.
Jay texted me several weeks ago with an idea: Let's do an exit interview. Not necessarily like an HR thing. Since I'm less than a month into a new career since resigning as Online Campus Pastor at Christ Fellowship, this would be a great time for self-introspection. Simply put, he wants to know if, looking back, I would do anything different in how I led the Online ministry at Christ Fellowship.
So, check it out. My exit interview on how, if I had to do it all over again, what I would change.

Currently doing Online Ministry? Thinking about starting? Involved in ministry in general and want to hear a transparent perspective? Enjoy the podcast. 
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      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 20:49:00 GMT</pubDate>
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                    Many churches at this point utilize Digital Communications. Majority of  churches have a website and a mobile app. Most utilize social media channels, albeit some do a better job managing it than others. If the endgame of your digital strategy is to get more people in the seats of your physical campuses, then chances are you are utilizing online as a Digital Communication tool. Your church's discipleship systems (evangelism, biblical community. serving) exist primarily within the physical realm. 
  
  
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                    {{cta('64b6f700-7331-47f8-ad47-3cfa1a5b2e4d','justifyright')}}So, is your church ready to tackle the digital mission field? If so, let us help you take these next steps in reaching the digital mission field. Click the button.
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      <pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:51:00 GMT</pubDate>
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    Through Church Online you have an incredible opportunity to reach people far away from your church location.
  
  
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   Utilizing friends and families from your church's circle of influence, you have a broader reach. Allow your church members to be brand ambassadors, broadening your church's digital reach. Remember, we're doing digital missions here. Through this, you will likely see something fascinating. Engagement in other cities will increase. When done well, your Church Online will have more traffic outside of your city than inside your city.
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    As community matures in these cities, and the small groups are functioning well, a natural process will begin: groups will want to gather together to experience worship services together... in House Churches. or Microsites, or Pop-Up Churches... As your Church Online grows, realize that (if given a chance) God could use Church Online to birth something different. 
  
  
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                    Forgive the metaphor, but if the Church Plant is like a "plant" needing resources to grow, then the Church Online is almost like fertilizer that helps the planted church grow... I'll go ahead and say it, Church Online is the manure that allows the planted church to grow.
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    Results were strong that first week. All those door hangers worked because there were almost 300 people opening weekend. Celebrations were had. The next week there was a drop-off happened when only 150 people showed up. The third week: 50 people. About nine months later the church plant of 18 people started to meet someone's living room. In total that first year, the church plant spent $300,000 in that first year. Door hangers, flyers, payroll, lease, AVL equipment, volunteer support... to what end?
  
  
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                    Planter, Online Church gives a phenomenal resource set to fertilize the church plant. Want to be effective in ministry in your community? Don't drop the money bomb on the church plant and push to set up that service as quickly as possible. With the right fertilizer, the planted church will grow.
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                    Technology has come a long way. Just recently I taught a small group session online, connecting people from four time zones literally on three different continents! Praise God for the ministry impact! I'll never downplay the impact of Online relationships, but we do need physical interaction/physical community. If a Christian never has physical community with other Christians, per Hebrews 10, this person will struggle to find joy... Tech isn't the endgame. It's not the goal. Community and discipleship are the goals. Tech is the means to get there.
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      <description>I cried. All because of a vertical line.
I heard a pastor preaching recently about why we should not fear. Having heard messages like this before, I shrugged it off. Been there, done that. Then he quoted a Scripture verse that I’ve heard at least a million times, causing me to get further disconnected...
Proverbs 3:5-6Trust in the Lord with all your heartLean not on your own understandingIn all your ways acknowledge HimAnd He shall direct your path.
Then he drew a line... a vertical line...

Evidently the stuff on the left hand side, that’s my job. If I don’t want to fear, I need to 1) TRUST GOD, 2) DON’T LEAN on my own capacities, and 3) ACKNOWLEDGE GOD in all things.  If I do these three things, according to Proverbs 3:5-6, God will direct my path. What a humbling concept. The line brought a much deeper understanding, even practical application, to a passage I’ve read hundreds of times.
You see, I trust God, at least I think I do. I acknowledge God in every chance I get. But as a confessed closet control freak, “Lean not on your own understanding” is a slap in the face. My understanding doesn’t scratch the surface of God’s. Why should I try to control a situation when He is by far better equipped to handle the situation? Yet strangely I seem to think I know better than He does when I do things in my own power instead of being dependent upon Him.
So, God, I hear you. Use me. Humble me. Break me. Life’s far more rewarding when we’re leaning on His understanding than our own.
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                    As exciting as it is to see the Google Analytics reports weekly, or a Global heatmap showing your traffic, it’s important to remember that while Online Church can be many things, there are things that it MUST NOT be. 
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                    Running my own businesses has been one of the greatest lessons of my life, but I also think it was/is a source of pride for me. The Living Word saw immense growth over the first couple years. We were the fastest growing bookstore in the state (2005); while Christian Retailing Stores were tanking all over the state, we were growing at an incredible pace. I can remember talking on the phone with a bookstore owner in Georgia who literally broke down in tears asking me how I was growing while his store was filing for bankruptcy. 24 months later, the economy has tanked in South Florida, and we too are grappling with the question of why. My happiness was built into my success... and when the success went away, so did the happiness.
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                    It's been hard. I won't lie. "God, why did you bring me to this point just to take it away." Other problems arose. Other insecurities dug in. And instead of focusing on the greatness of God I focused solely on my despair. That's the thing about pride. The more you have, the harder the downtimes become.
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                    When I started to look at myself through the lens of these imperfections, I discovered who I really was. The successes that I had been given were not by my hand, but were given by God. I am a tool, offering my life for Him to control. 
  
  
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                    Side note: after reading this, you may get the impression the Bookstore or C28 Florida is doing horribly. We are down for the year (as is everyone else in the state, except for oil companies) but God is blessing us with slight growth, and we are prayerful that a steady summer will lead to a strong Fall. Pray for my bizes, that God would use these resources to become a foothold in the cities of South Florida.
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      <description>I've been reading through James lately, and had quite the revelation. Almost 2,000 years before Facebook became a household name, James provides us an excellent social media strategy. Check this out.
My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry. - James 1:19
Church, be quick to listen on Social Media. Social media and digital communications is more than a way to just post an event online. Let's engage people online, meaning, let's give them an opportunity to speak, to share. And in the process of engaging them online, let's listen to them! Pull your audience into the conversation.
Church, let's be slow to speak. It's very easy to create noise, overworking your social media and digital communications channels to the extent that you're just making noise. Don't just make noise with your channels. Be intentional with your words, your post, your message. God deserves more than just noise.
Church, let's be slow to become angry. It's rare to see churches or organizations explode on social media, but on the individual level it's much more common. Let's guard our words and show the love of Christ, digitally.
God, thank you for this insight from almost 2,000 years ago. Give us the patience to guard our words and to make them count.</description>
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                    Church, be quick to listen on Social Media. Social media and digital communications is more than a way to just post an event online. Let's engage people online, meaning, let's give them an opportunity to speak, to share. And in the process of engaging them online, let's listen to them! Pull your audience into the conversation.
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                    Church, let's be slow to speak. It's very easy to create noise, overworking your social media and digital communications channels to the extent that you're just making noise. Don't just make noise with your channels. Be intentional with your words, your post, your message. God deserves more than just noise.
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                    I do not want to waste my life wandering when I'm not where God wants me to be. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and for me to get from where I am now to where God wants me to be, I have to trust Him implicitly, even when faith doesn't make sense. So, I trust, implicitly, praying that He will do something with this sacrificial faith.
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                    We've already found a solution for Insurance. Lord help me this won't be career suicide. And Lord-willing our family will be fine. I don't know how long this path is; And I don't know where it's going. But I know that by walking in faith God will make it as short and as straight as it can be. Pray for us that in the happy and tumultuous times we will cling to Proverbs 3.
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      <description>Okay, it's getting real. I am happy to announce the brand launch of THECHURCH.DIGITAL - all of this is coming together quickly. If you see me in person, ask to see my business cards. They're incredible. Logo design was by Luis Mora, who worked quickly and efficiently to get this stuff done. I highly recommend him for photography or graphic/branding. For more information on Luis, check out 35mmMora.com.

So, we've got a brand and a website. Next up? I've enjoyed catching up with some churches here in Miami over the past week, and tomorrow I'm flying out to my old stomping grounds (Austin, TX and Dallas, TX) to meet with some incredible people, and plan/pray through some future developments. If all this works, it's a God thing. If it doesn't work, it's still a God thing. Amazing the life perspective that comes when you realize that.
God, it's a new world. Guide these steps and make this of you, not of me.</description>
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                    Okay, it's getting real. I am happy to announce the brand launch of THECHURCH.DIGITAL - all of this is coming together quickly. If you see me in person, ask to see my business cards. They're incredible. Logo design was by Luis Mora, who worked quickly and efficiently to get this stuff done. I highly recommend him for photography or graphic/branding. For more information on Luis, check out 
  
  
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                    Genesis 39 he’s in jail because of Potiphar’s wife. He did nothing wrong, and the woman lies about rape and Joseph’s locked up. Genesis 40 he works out a deal with an inmate where he interpreted a dream in hopes the inmate would help influence leaders to get Joseph out of jail. The inmate, the Pharaoh's cupbearer, does get out of jail, but forgot about Joseph for two years.
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                    For two long years, Joseph sat in prison, waiting. Was he annoyed that he was disrespected by the cupbearer? Was he disenfranchised by the system that wrongly imprisoned him? Was he angry that God discarded him? If he was, scripture doesn’t show that. Eventually, Joseph’s opportunity came. Pharaoh had a dream, and the Cupbearer finally remembered his friend in jail. Long story short, after 2 years of wrongful imprisonment, Joseph stands before Pharoah.
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                     “Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I had a dream, and no one can interpret it. But I have heard it said of you that when you hear a dream you can interpret it.” “I cannot do it,” Joseph replied to Pharaoh, “but God will give Pharaoh the answer he desires."" - 
  
  
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                    Gotta tell you, I would struggle at this. I’d be brokering the deal. I’d be offering to scrub the toilets. I’d be trying to figure out any way possible to get out of jail. Joseph, he had peace in one thing: those 2 years in prison were exactly where God wanted him. And Joseph submitted his own will to God’s.  Jail was but a waiting room for Joseph to be used by God. And when the moment came, Joseph didn’t flinch. It was his time to represent God to Pharoah. 
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                    God, help me to be the man Joseph is. Show me areas in my life that are more about me than You. Break me so I can submit to you.
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                    Online Church Services are a growing phenomenon. An estimated 5,000 churches are doing services online regularly, and 
  
  
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                    Those of you in the midst of the It's very easy, though, to put the Online Services on cruise control. So much effort goes into producing the church service in the physical worship center each week that one can easily forget about those people watching online and how they will experience the service virtually. To that end I give you seven things you can do 
  
  
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  - Let's be honest. The majority of our church services are designed for people who sit in the physical pews (or chairs) housed within the worship center. It's easy to get caught up in the rush of last minute changes and just worry about people in the building. Don't get caught up in the last minute struggle! Try this: 
  
    
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